| Friday, July 1st, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | TimmyJ_: | yes] |
| [00:00:00] | TimmyJ_: | /usr/src/ivtv-0.3.6u/utils |
| [00:01:00] | TimmyJ_: | holy siht its working |
| [00:01:00] | jonK: | did you make the utils |
| [00:01:00] | TimmyJ_: | nope |
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| [00:01:00] | TimmyJ_: | i played it w/ totem |
| [00:01:00] | TimmyJ_: | and it worked |
| [00:01:00] | jonK: | we're fine then |
| [00:01:00] | jonK: | configure it for mythtv and you should be good, |
| [00:01:00] | cyberknet: | jonK to the rescue =) |
| [00:01:00] | TimmyJ_: | THANK YOU! |
| [00:02:00] | jonK: | no-- all we did was add HWMak |
| [00:02:00] | jonK: | file |
| [00:02:00] | cyberknet: | well, you told him to get that file =) |
| [00:02:00] | jonK: | but, there does seem to be a huge influx of real noobs with new 150's |
| [00:02:00] | jonK: | (not referring to timmyj_ of course) |
| [00:03:00] | TimmyJ_: | lol no its alright..I'm a newb |
| [00:03:00] | jonK: | and not that im any guru |
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| [00:03:00] | jonK: | but lots of "i have a 150 and it's not working" |
| [00:03:00] | jonK: | in the last couple days |
| [00:03:00] | cyberknet: | yeah |
| [00:03:00] | cyberknet: | "I have a 500 and it's not working" too =P" |
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| [00:05:00] | cyberknet: | okie |
| [00:05:00] | cyberknet: | well, it's time for me to leave |
| [00:06:00] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [00:06:00] | cyberknet: | adios fellas |
| [00:06:00] | TimmyJ_: | jonK, is there a tutorial on settin up mythTV I can take a look at |
| [00:06:00] | cyberknet: | TimmyJ_: what OS? |
| [00:06:00] | jonK: | there are many |
| [00:06:00] | jonK: | ubuntu |
| [00:06:00] | TimmyJ_: | ubuntu |
| [00:06:00] | jonK: | but you have the hardware running |
| [00:06:00] | jonK: | now look at mythtv docs |
| [00:06:00] | TimmyJ_: | alrighty, will do |
| [00:06:00] | jonK: | (1) you need to setup a zap2it account |
| [00:06:00] | TimmyJ_: | thanks again |
| [00:06:00] | jonK: | (you in us?) |
| [00:07:00] | TimmyJ_: | jonK, did that already...yes I'm in the US |
| [00:07:00] | jonK: | run mythtv-setup as user mythtv |
| [00:07:00] | jonK: | ubuntu as a "run as differnt user" |
| [00:07:00] | jonK: | menu choice off of system tasks or something |
| [00:07:00] | jonK: | from the main gnome menu list |
| [00:07:00] | TimmyJ_: | thats the thing I didn't get....I don't ever remember making a mythtv user...but i have one |
| [00:08:00] | jonK: | did you apt-get mythtv? |
| [00:08:00] | TimmyJ_: | yes |
| [00:08:00] | jonK: | apt-get has super cow poweres |
| [00:08:00] | jonK: | and can create users |
| [00:08:00] | TimmyJ_: | :O |
| [00:08:00] | jonK: | also you need to turn off the sounds |
| [00:09:00] | jonK: | in ubuntu |
| [00:09:00] | TimmyJ_: | y's that? |
| [00:09:00] | jonK: | system settings preferences somthing... |
| [00:09:00] | jonK: | the sound server doesn't get along well with mith |
| [00:09:00] | jonK: | myth |
| [00:09:00] | TimmyJ_: | gotcha |
| [00:09:00] | TimmyJ_: | apt-get making users is all good and well |
| [00:09:00] | TimmyJ_: | ...but i don't know the password :( |
| [00:09:00] | TimmyJ_: | lol |
| [00:09:00] | jonK: | so set it |
| [00:10:00] | jonK: | under system tasks administration, users and groups |
| [00:10:00] | jonK: | or something... |
| [00:10:00] | honeyzzz is now known as honey | |
| [00:10:00] | jonK: | or man passswd |
| [00:10:00] | TimmyJ_: | lol I checked that |
| [00:10:00] | TimmyJ_: | in the users and groups....I'm the only user |
| [00:11:00] | jonK: | check the box that says "show all users" |
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| [00:13:00] | TimmyJ_: | when I'm logged in my mythtv user I get: |
| [00:14:00] | TimmyJ_: | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| [00:14:00] | TimmyJ_: | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| [00:14:00] | TimmyJ_: | mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| [00:14:00] | jonK: | you're running su from a terminal? |
| [00:14:00] | TimmyJ_: | ....that when I try to run mythtv-setup |
| [00:14:00] | TimmyJ_: | yes |
| [00:14:00] | jonK: | yea, so the login user still owns the xdisplay |
| [00:14:00] | TimmyJ_: | oh |
| [00:14:00] | jonK: | run from the "run as different user" menu choice |
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| [00:16:00] | TimmyJ_: | wonderful |
| [00:16:00] | TimmyJ_: | that worked |
| [00:17:00] | jonK: | select teh pvr 250/350 cardtype |
| [00:18:00] | TimmyJ_: | wait.."myth could not connect to the database" |
| [00:20:00] | jonK: | be more specific... |
| [00:20:00] | jonK: | as part of the mythtv-setup program? |
| [00:20:00] | TimmyJ_: | yes sry |
| [00:21:00] | jonK: | probably need to tell mysql that the password for the mysql user is mythtv |
| [00:21:00] | jonK: | or grant privileges to the database |
| [00:21:00] | TimmyJ_: | alright thx |
| [00:22:00] | jonK: | try running mysql -u mythtv |
| [00:22:00] | jonK: | err mysql -u mythtv mythconverg |
| [00:23:00] | jonK: | err mysql -u mythtv mythconverg -p |
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| [00:24:00] | TimmyJ_: | changing the password to mythtv appears to have done it |
| [00:25:00] | jonK: | so mythtsetup completes? |
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| [00:27:00] | TimmyJ_: | doing the setup right now |
| [00:27:00] | TimmyJ_: | do i want the defaults for vbi device and audio device? |
| [00:27:00] | TimmyJ_: | idk what a vbi device is... |
| [00:28:00] | TimmyJ_: | nevermind |
| [00:28:00] | TimmyJ_: | those options went away when I selected the haupauge |
| [00:29:00] | jonK: | defaults are fine |
| [00:32:00] | TimmyJ_: | idk what to put in for video source setup |
| [00:33:00] | jonK: | ok |
| [00:33:00] | jonK: | did you define a video source? |
| [00:33:00] | jonK: | or do you mean the input selection? |
| [00:34:00] | TimmyJ_: | didn't define a video source |
| [00:34:00] | jonK: | i think it's menu item 2 |
| [00:34:00] | jonK: | maybe 3 |
| [00:34:00] | jonK: | dont recall actaully |
| [00:34:00] | TimmyJ_: | lol i'll play ;) |
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| [00:35:00] | jonK: | input your zap2it data to create a video source |
| [00:39:00] | phoner: | what's going to happen when my subscription runs out? |
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| [00:42:00] | Exstatica: | anyone ever done a diskless boot with mythtv |
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| [01:04:00] | iggy: | Exstatica: YES |
| [01:04:00] | iggy: | err, sorry, caps lock turned on somehow |
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| [01:30:00] | jonK: | i guess everyone went home |
| [01:31:00] | TimmyJ_: | i'm still here ;) |
| [01:31:00] | TimmyJ_: | i'm sure you missed me :P |
| [01:33:00] | jonK: | you must have it working ok, you've been silent |
| [01:33:00] | TimmyJ_: | lol actually not really |
| [01:34:00] | TimmyJ_: | for some reason I'm not able to change channels or anything |
| [01:34:00] | jonK: | from mythtv? |
| [01:35:00] | TimmyJ_: | yea |
| [01:35:00] | jonK: | i noticed ivtv was setting your tuner to tupe 50 |
| [01:36:00] | TimmyJ_: | is that bad? |
| [01:36:00] | jonK: | you might try adding options ivtv tuner type = 57 |
| [01:36:00] | jonK: | it's only bad it it's wrong, it's what's being detected, but i know I have type 57 for a pvr 500 |
| [01:37:00] | jonK: | (which detects as 2 150's) |
| [01:37:00] | jonK: | did your 150 come with a remote? |
| [01:37:00] | TimmyJ_: | yes it did |
| [01:37:00] | TimmyJ_: | its not the MCE |
| [01:37:00] | jonK: | than it may be different |
| [01:37:00] | jonK: | the 500 is mce |
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| [01:38:00] | TimmyJ_: | gotcha |
| [01:38:00] | TimmyJ_: | is there any way to run mythfrontend in a window?? |
| [01:38:00] | jonK: | yes, check the box in the setup screens that reads "run mythfrontend in a window" |
| [01:39:00] | TimmyJ_: | thx |
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| [01:39:00] | jonK: | maybe it's only for playback, though |
| [01:39:00] | jonK: | if you need to switch to a shell while it's running hit ctl-alt and f1, 2, 3, or 4 |
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| [01:40:00] | jonK: | and then ctl alt, 7 |
| [01:40:00] | jonK: | not f1, just 1 |
| [01:40:00] | jonK: | err wait other way |
| [01:40:00] | jonK: | f1, f2 and f7 to get back |
| [01:41:00] | TimmyJ_: | naw its not that.....just think it'd be nice to resize and stuff |
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| [01:41:00] | jonK: | there are some resizing options in the setup |
| [01:42:00] | jonK: | both for the gui and for playback |
| [01:42:00] | TimmyJ_: | when you say the setup...do you mean mythtv-setup? |
| [01:42:00] | jonK: | no |
| [01:42:00] | jonK: | i mean in mythfrontend |
| [01:43:00] | jonK: | last option |
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| [01:44:00] | TimmyJ_: | gotchaaaa |
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| [01:45:00] | mrplum: | How does someone go about adding a new menu option that would execute an external program? |
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| [01:47:00] | Exstatica: | iggy, you've done it? |
| [01:48:00] | MoMiggins: | is it possible to get mythtv to give true hd content to a hd television? |
| [01:48:00] | mrplum: | MoMiggins, you'd at least need a hd capable tv input card for the pc |
| [01:49:00] | mrplum: | if the card is supported by the video linux drivers I don't see what the problem would be from there |
| [01:49:00] | mrplum: | Or you could buy the GNU radio hardware and use it to software decode HDTV! |
| [01:49:00] | mrplum: | then somehow interface it with mythtv, shouldn't be too bad :-) |
| [01:49:00] | MoMiggins: | i'm not only refering to hdtv, i'm also refering to hd dvd or other formats |
| [01:51:00] | TimmyJ_: | jonK, is there a way to run the mythfrontend from my normal user? |
| [01:51:00] | jonK: | sure, as your normal user, type "mythfrontend" |
| [01:51:00] | jonK: | lol |
| [01:51:00] | jonK: | it's just the setup |
| [01:51:00] | TimmyJ_: | ohhhhh |
| [01:51:00] | jonK: | that the docs say to run as user mythtv |
| [01:52:00] | MoMiggins: | has anyone ported mythtv to pocket pcs |
| [01:52:00] | mrplum: | hd dvd? wth is that? |
| [01:53:00] | Exstatica: | MoMiggins, no but i would love a mini client for it |
| [01:53:00] | mrplum: | MoMiggins, seen it for the Zaurus |
| [01:53:00] | mrplum: | well frontend at least |
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| [01:54:00] | MoMiggins: | hd dvd is one of the competing formats for the next gen of dvds that will make you want to throw away your current dvd collection for a new and improved dvd collection |
| [01:54:00] | mrplum: | bah fuck that. All my movies are in some form of mpg on my hd |
| [01:55:00] | mrplum: | probably has more control encryption on it |
| [01:55:00] | mrplum: | fuckers can't let it go and find a different business model |
| [01:55:00] | MoMiggins: | more than likely, but it will have better graphics |
| [01:55:00] | mrplum: | DVD's pretty good isn't it? |
| [01:57:00] | MoMiggins: | depends if your a videophile i guess, dvd is great but HD-dvd or bluray or whichever format actually wins out should be better |
| [01:57:00] | MoMiggins: | has anyone ported myth tv to a 64bit system yet? |
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| [01:59:00] | TimmyJ_: | woooot got channels working! |
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| [01:59:00] | mrplum: | I think people just buy what their told |
| [02:00:00] | MoMiggins: | a more true statement could not be made mrplum |
| [02:00:00] | mrplum: | I can think of one, bush sucks |
| [02:00:00] | mrplum: | hehe now that's just slander |
| [02:01:00] | MoMiggins: | isn't everything slander these days? |
| [02:03:00] | kormoc: | I like peas |
| [02:03:00] | kormoc: | did I slander? |
| [02:04:00] | MoMiggins: | more than likely you just offended the carrots, so they could say that your openly admiting that you like peas that there may or may not be something wrong with other vegtables in general |
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| [02:08:00] | kormoc: | uh oh |
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| [02:13:00] | funkyelf: | Is there a way in MythTV to re-encode a recording for better storage, i.e. compress it more than it was during the recording process? |
| [02:21:00] | vasudeva: | if you have two separate disks in a single LVM volume group, formatted XFS, and one disk goes bad, does the VG still let you have what's on the good disk, or is everything shot? |
| [02:21:00] | TimmyJ_: | how does one give a user access to a database? |
| [02:21:00] | iggy: | Exstatica: yes |
| [02:24:00] | TimmyJ_: | access to a mysql database to be precise |
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| [02:30:00] | Exstatica: | iggy, are you still currently running it? |
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| [02:32:00] | jcap: | hello. I've been using mythtv for a while now. I just upgraded, and despite the fact that when I got to setup > video manager, I see all my video files, when I got to watch videos, it says there are no files found |
| [02:32:00] | jcap: | is there something obvious I'm missing? |
| [02:33:00] | iggy: | Exstatica: not currently, no |
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| [02:39:00] | iggy: | Exstatica: what do you want to know? |
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| [02:40:00] | joevslc: | hello |
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| [02:40:00] | joevslc: | I have finally got my spdif out working |
| [02:41:00] | joevslc: | strange thing is my fox station will not give me any audio |
| [02:41:00] | joevslc: | I was able to record the other night on fox and have audio out my head phone jack |
| [02:41:00] | joevslc: | this is the only channel that this happened to |
| [02:42:00] | joevslc: | anyone have any ideas? |
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| [02:53:00] | Mersault: | I'm trying to install mythtv from svn, but when trying to ./configure the plugins, it wont build mythmusic claiming I don't have cdparanoia, which is false. |
| [02:53:00] | Mersault: | Any ideas how to get mythmusic to compile? |
| [02:54:00] | otheraaron: | What video card (or pvr 350?) would likely produce the best picture? |
| [02:55:00] | otheraaron: | i don't really want to 'passable' |
| [02:55:00] | otheraaron: | it should be good any idea? |
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| [03:01:00] | jcap: | Mersault, I'm no expert at this, so just take with a grain of salt |
| [03:01:00] | jcap: | Mersault, run ./configure --help |
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| [03:01:00] | jcap: | Mersault, find where it's assuming to look |
| [03:01:00] | jcap: | and then fix that |
| [03:02:00] | jcap: | Mersault, something like ./configure --help |grep cdpar will probably help |
| [03:02:00] | jcap: | to give you the right option |
| [03:02:00] | jcap: | so, I'm still fighting this videos issue. |
| [03:02:00] | iggy: | you also need -devel packages for stuff if you are using rpms or somesuch |
| [03:02:00] | joevslc: | anyone have any ideas why only Fox would have no sound? |
| [03:03:00] | jcap: | I don't understand the relationship between the video manager and the video player anymore |
| [03:03:00] | jcap: | things have changed drastically it seems since my last update |
| [03:03:00] | jcap: | at least on the face they have |
| [03:03:00] | dissident: | Can anyone recommend a decent 939pin Athlon 64 board that they set up running MythTV without too many problems? |
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| [03:04:00] | jcap: | dissident, I just saw an article about that |
| [03:04:00] | jcap: | guy was on perl.com |
| [03:04:00] | dissident: | ya? |
| [03:04:00] | jcap: | it was one of the blog entries |
| [03:04:00] | iggy: | I have an epox kr9nda or somesuch... WORKSFORME |
| [03:05:00] | jcap: | dissident, http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/digit . . . myth_tv.html |
| [03:05:00] | jcap: | I think he used 939 |
| [03:05:00] | dissident: | thanks |
| [03:05:00] | jcap: | np |
| [03:05:00] | bomba: | that new AOpen Pentium-M board will be sweet once linux support is ironed out |
| [03:06:00] | jcap: | these are very sweet for the non mini-itx crowsd |
| [03:06:00] | jcap: | http://www.ahanix.com/ahanix_product.asp?pid=26 |
| [03:06:00] | jcap: | hrm, wtf character was that |
| [03:07:00] | jcap: | requires only low profile cards though :\ |
| [03:08:00] | jcap: | ok, I'm going to try and work out the mysql db |
| [03:08:00] | jcap: | and see what's going |
| [03:09:00] | jcap: | does mythtv cach the video list in mysql even? |
| [03:09:00] | Chutt2: | dissident, asus a8n-sli premium. |
| [03:10:00] | Chutt2 is now known as Chutt | |
| [03:10:00] | ChanServ sets mode +v Chutt | |
| [03:10:00] | Chutt: | nice motherboard =) |
| [03:10:00] | dissident: | thanks Chutt2. I'll look at that too. |
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| [03:12:00] | joevslc: | jcap, what are you trying to do? |
| [03:13:00] | jcap: | joevslc, very simple. I want to use video playback feature, to playback non recorded files. files I've put in a specific directory |
| [03:13:00] | jcap: | joevslc, used to work just fine |
| [03:13:00] | joevslc: | anyone know why only fox would have no audio? |
| [03:13:00] | jcap: | "mythvideo" I believe is the plugin |
| [03:13:00] | jcap: | though that may have changed, or I may be wrong |
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| [03:13:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | hey all! I have a question on alsa and spdif output under mythtv. I know my hardware is set up correctly, because I can put xine on "pass-through" mode and my dolby receiver recognizes that it is receiving a dolby signal. However, when i hit the pass-through option on mythtv, it gives me a nasty staccato static sound. I'm certain that it's because i've not got the right device node set up in myth, but I can't tell |
| [03:13:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | what it should be. does myth support ALSA: addresses? |
| [03:14:00] | joevslc: | I thought you were having a channel scan issue, sorry |
| [03:14:00] | joevslc: | I don't use mythvideo |
| [03:14:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | i'm using an audigy card |
| [03:14:00] | jcap: | heh, nah, I hardly use the capture situation at all |
| [03:15:00] | jcap: | opopanax_gentoo, all I know is that mythtv most certainly supports alsa |
| [03:15:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | i know it does :-P |
| [03:15:00] | jcap: | it's probably gentoo |
| [03:16:00] | joevslc: | aplay -l will give you your card(s) device info |
| [03:16:00] | jcap: | hrm, that's a good point... I should try to run mplayer from the cl and see what happens |
| [03:16:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | it was gentoo for my firewire issue, but i'm not certain that's the case here--i get audio, but it's as if the mixer /dev/dsp is treating the signal as regular audio |
| [03:16:00] | jcap: | opopanax_gentoo, I was just giving you a hard time. (i'm using gentoo for myth too btw) |
| [03:17:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | lol, ok |
| [03:17:00] | joevslc: | i had to change /dev.dsp to ALSA:digital and mixer to digital |
| [03:17:00] | ** jcap knows so little about alsa ** | |
| [03:17:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | it rocks, and it works, if i'm using just regular analog mix |
| [03:17:00] | joevslc: | after setting up my asoundrc fil |
| [03:17:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | i know very little, as well. |
| [03:17:00] | jcap: | all I know is.... set master to !0 before complaining |
| [03:17:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | i've never set up asoundrc, and everything ('cept mythtv) seems to work jes fine |
| [03:17:00] | joevslc: | then enable ac3 spdif passthrough in setup |
| [03:18:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | jcap, oh, i see. |
| [03:18:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | hmmm |
| [03:18:00] | joevslc: | you need to either set up a .asoundrc or put it in the sound.conf(ithink) file |
| [03:18:00] | joevslc: | for spdif |
| [03:18:00] | joevslc: | just went through this |
| [03:18:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | ok then... |
| [03:19:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | lemme see here... so i should keep using /dev/dsp as the device? |
| [03:19:00] | joevslc: | www.mythtv.info/moin.cgi/DigitalSoundHowTo, this will get you started |
| [03:19:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | didn't like that howto |
| [03:20:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | but i'll check it again. |
| [03:20:00] | joevslc: | read the link about setting up your asoundrc file |
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| [03:20:00] | Mersault: | I'm trying to compile mythtv (using the latest svn/cvs), but ./configure wont enable mythmusic claiming I don't have cdda paranoia. I've uncommented the includepath line in settings.pro, and checked that I do have cdparanoia and that the line points to the correct place, so what's up? |
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| [03:20:00] | joevslc: | hmmm, what did youu like |
| [03:20:00] | joevslc: | worked real easy for me |
| [03:20:00] | joevslc: | my only problem is I lost the sound on fox |
| [03:21:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | ok, i'll give it another shot |
| [03:21:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | thanks, m8 |
| [03:21:00] | joevslc: | still trying to figure that out |
| [03:21:00] | joevslc: | you not like that is |
| [03:23:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | ok, cool. so, without the .asoundrc, i should still be able to point myth to alsa:hw0,0 (or 1 or 2) and it'll work... |
| [03:23:00] | joevslc: | yes, i used the virtual names though |
| [03:23:00] | joevslc: | digital, analog |
| [03:24:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | right on. is there a "master" asoundrc that I can put this in, so it's universal for all users? is it the asound.conf under gentoo? |
| [03:25:00] | joevslc: | I put mine in my /home/user directory |
| [03:25:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | ok then |
| [03:26:00] | joevslc: | there are instructions where to go |
| [03:26:00] | joevslc: | dunno bout gentoo |
| [03:26:00] | joevslc: | I use SuSE |
| [03:29:00] | Mersault: | Anyone here try and build mythtv from source? |
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| [03:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | Mersault: Every couple days yeah |
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| [03:36:00] | gnoob: | are those EPIA systems decent for Myth? |
| [03:37:00] | Mersault: | GreyFoxx, excellent. I have grabbed the svn earlier this afternoon and while trying to build the plugins, it claims it can't build mythmusic for me for lack of cdda, which I have. I uncommented the line in settings.pro to force where to look for it, but still no dice... |
| [03:38:00] | rtsai: | Mersault: do you have libcdparanoia0-dev installed? |
| [03:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | What exactly is it looking for. Binary apps or libraries? |
| [03:42:00] | Mersault: | I have cdparanoia-devel and all the related packages. It's not saying what it can |
| [03:42:00] | Mersault: | can't find |
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| [03:43:00] | Mersault: | MythMusic requires CDDA Paranoia. |
| [03:43:00] | Mersault: | Disabling MythMusic due to missing dependencies. |
| [03:43:00] | Mersault: | that's all I get |
| [03:45:00] | rtsai: | read through the configure script; it looks for header files and libraries and stuff. Then google for your distro-specific package |
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| [03:45:00] | rtsai: | In ubuntu/debian it's called libcdparanoia0-dev |
| [03:46:00] | Mersault: | I'm using fedora core 3 for my mythtv box. I've never used FC3 before though, so there's a bit of a learning curve |
| [03:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | Mersault: do you have a libcdda_paranoia anywhere in your library path (or on your system? ) |
| [03:47:00] | GreyFoxx: | actually libcdda_paranoia.* |
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| [03:49:00] | Mersault: | [root@mythtv /]# find -name libcdda_paranoia.* |
| [03:49:00] | Mersault: | ./usr/lib/libcdda_paranoia.so |
| [03:49:00] | Mersault: | ./usr/lib/libcdda_paranoia.so.0.9.8 |
| [03:49:00] | Mersault: | ./usr/lib/libcdda_paranoia.so.0 |
| [03:49:00] | Mersault: | ./usr/lib/libcdda_paranoia.a |
| [03:49:00] | Mersault: | I dunno... kinda looks like I should be okay to me... |
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| [03:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | try ldconfig -v | grep cdda_para |
| [03:50:00] | rtsai: | that's only the runtime. You aso need the headers: /usr/include/cdda_paranoia.h |
| [03:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, headers are important :) |
| [03:50:00] | rtsai: | and the script also checks for libcdda_interface.so |
| [03:51:00] | rtsai: | (just to round out the requirements) |
| [03:51:00] | Mersault: | [root@mythtv mythplugins]# ls /usr/include/cdda/ |
| [03:51:00] | Mersault: | cdda_interface.h cdda_paranoia.h utils.h |
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| [03:51:00] | Mersault: | [root@mythtv /]# ldconfig -v | grep cdda_para |
| [03:51:00] | Mersault: | ldconfig: Path `/usr/X11R6/lib' given more than once |
| [03:51:00] | Mersault: | libcdda_paranoia.so.0 -> libcdda_paranoia.so.0.9.8 |
| [03:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | The headers on my box are in /usr/include , not /usr/include/cdda |
| [03:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | wonder if it's just not finding them in that location |
| [03:52:00] | Mersault: | I did uncomment the line in settings.pro to make it look in /usr/include/cdda |
| [03:53:00] | Mersault: | INCLUDEPATH += $${PREFIX}/include |
| [03:53:00] | Mersault: | INCLUDEPATH += /usr/include/cdda |
| [03:53:00] | rtsai: | yeah, but the configure script needs to also be taught that location |
| [03:53:00] | rtsai: | look for "has_header" and fix it up there |
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| [03:54:00] | riddlebox: | if I want to use a PVR-500 what card should I select in the setup? |
| [03:54:00] | Mersault: | Yay! okay, adding /usr/include/cdda to the paths included in has_header did the trick. |
| [03:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | cool |
| [03:56:00] | rtsai: | you should file a trac ticket so it can get fixed |
| [03:58:00] | Mersault: | rtsai, will do. |
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| [04:12:00] | joevslc: | hi rtsai |
| [04:12:00] | joevslc: | I'm up and running |
| [04:14:00] | joevslc: | anyone know why fox would lose auido after getting spdif working? |
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| [04:19:00] | rtsai: | fox is flaky around here too |
| [04:20:00] | joevslc: | twas weird |
| [04:20:00] | joevslc: | I had analog |
| [04:20:00] | joevslc: | got spdif working and lost all of fox |
| [04:20:00] | rtsai: | what do you mean by "spdif working"? |
| [04:20:00] | joevslc: | only channel it happened |
| [04:21:00] | rtsai: | like using optical cables to receiver instead of computer speakers? |
| [04:21:00] | joevslc: | correct |
| [04:21:00] | rtsai: | is myth configured for /dev/dsp for audio, or ALSA:default? |
| [04:21:00] | joevslc: | ALSA:digital |
| [04:21:00] | rtsai: | I have /dev/dsp |
| [04:21:00] | rtsai: | (I don't think I have ALSA working on my system.) |
| [04:22:00] | opopanax_gentoo: | been movin crap around here, i haven't had a chance to screw with it yet, let ya know how I do. |
| [04:22:00] | rtsai: | otherwise, I have a similar setup (optical cable out to receiver) |
| [04:22:00] | j-rod: | joevslc, you passing raw ac3? |
| [04:22:00] | joevslc: | without alsa? |
| [04:22:00] | j-rod: | with alsa |
| [04:22:00] | rtsai: | correct, no alsa here |
| [04:22:00] | joevslc: | I enabled ac3 in myth setup |
| [04:23:00] | j-rod: | I had a few channels that did strange things until passing raw ac3 |
| [04:23:00] | joevslc: | rtsai, what do you use in place of alsa? |
| [04:23:00] | rtsai: | oss, I guess |
| [04:23:00] | j-rod: | if you go into live tv, select fox, then another station, then go back to fox, does audio work? |
| [04:23:00] | joevslc: | j-rod, how do you you get raw ac3? |
| [04:23:00] | rtsai: | joevslc: i haven't done any kind of special configuration, audio-wise |
| [04:23:00] | joevslc: | j-rod |
| [04:23:00] | joevslc: | nor |
| [04:23:00] | joevslc: | no |
| [04:23:00] | j-rod: | there's a check box somewhere in the frontend setup |
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| [04:24:00] | joevslc: | that's what I enabled |
| [04:24:00] | j-rod: | hrm |
| [04:24:00] | j-rod: | all my HD audio issues went away w/native alsa and passing raw ac3 |
| [04:24:00] | joevslc: | it's only on fox which is wierd |
| [04:24:00] | j-rod: | though my .asoundrc might be helping some too |
| [04:25:00] | j-rod: | are they sending something other than dd5.1? |
| [04:25:00] | j-rod: | btw, is the slc in your user name for Salt Lake City? |
| [04:25:00] | j-rod: | (I ask, because I'm in SLC right now) |
| [04:25:00] | joevslc: | i selected 6 channel audio in alsamixer |
| [04:25:00] | joevslc: | yes |
| [04:25:00] | joevslc: | cool |
| [04:25:00] | joevslc: | where abouts? |
| [04:25:00] | j-rod: | Draper, actually |
| [04:25:00] | joevslc: | haven't tried 4 channel mode in alsamixer |
| [04:26:00] | j-rod: | Fairfield Inn |
| [04:26:00] | j-rod: | (here for work) |
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| [04:26:00] | joevslc: | geeez, that's another country almost :)) |
| [04:26:00] | rtsai: | so am I missing out on something by not pursuing ALSA configuration? Everything sounds OK to me ... |
| [04:27:00] | joevslc: | I dunno |
| [04:27:00] | joevslc: | have nothing elese to compare to |
| [04:27:00] | rtsai: | heh |
| [04:27:00] | j-rod: | wouldn't know, its only my second time in the area in ages |
| [04:27:00] | j-rod: | Just know I flew into SLC, then drove south a bit on 15 |
| [04:27:00] | j-rod: | rtsai, maybe, maybe not... |
| [04:27:00] | rtsai: | me neither |
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| [04:27:00] | j-rod: | you're only missing something if you aren't passing raw ac3 to a nice amp |
| [04:27:00] | j-rod: | 'sup xris |
| [04:27:00] | joevslc: | definitely a drive down 15 |
| [04:28:00] | j-rod: | is the airport south of town? |
| [04:28:00] | j-rod: | I don't remember being on the road long |
| [04:28:00] | joevslc: | j-rod, is itpossible to have the wrong pids |
| [04:28:00] | xris: | j-rod: you back in town, or just headed out? |
| [04:28:00] | j-rod: | though I'm used to an hour commute every day |
| [04:28:00] | joevslc: | get video without audio |
| [04:28:00] | j-rod: | still in Utah |
| [04:28:00] | j-rod: | could be the wrong audio track getting selected |
| [04:28:00] | rtsai: | oh yeah |
| [04:28:00] | rtsai: | try hitting '+' on FOX |
| [04:28:00] | rtsai: | (change audio tracks) |
| [04:29:00] | joevslc: | best way to check that out? |
| [04:29:00] | rtsai: | i used to have that problem with PBS |
| [04:29:00] | MonMotha: | great...I've got ivtv almost working. It's clearly just not tuning to the correct frequency. I get static for audio and something on the video that I could believe is a no-signal condition. Capture from S-Video and Composite is confirmed to work with various driver versions, but I still can't tune. PVR-150 retail (non-MCE); driver detects tuner type 50. Any ideas? |
| [04:29:00] | j-rod: | xris, I fly back tomorrow night |
| [04:29:00] | j-rod: | then back to Utah the morning of the 5th |
| [04:29:00] | joevslc: | tried the '+' |
| [04:29:00] | xris: | geesch |
| [04:29:00] | joevslc: | didn't help |
| [04:29:00] | rtsai: | hrmph |
| [04:29:00] | xris: | well, at least you'll be with your family over the weekend. |
| [04:29:00] | j-rod: | then back to Seattle on Friday the 8th |
| [04:29:00] | j-rod: | then to St. Louis on the 11th |
| [04:29:00] | j-rod: | yeah, they're pretty good about that |
| [04:30:00] | j-rod: | I'll be in StL for a week |
| [04:30:00] | joevslc: | geeeez j-rod that's some mighty traveling |
| [04:30:00] | rtsai: | j-rod: you fly too much to be a *real* geek IRL :) |
| [04:30:00] | j-rod: | then may take a trip to Huntington Beach on the 18th (but just a day thing) |
| [04:30:00] | j-rod: | :) |
| [04:30:00] | j-rod: | should settle down a bit after that though |
| [04:30:00] | xris: | heh |
| [04:30:00] | j-rod: | some of this is just to get ramped up at the new job |
| [04:31:00] | j-rod: | big install of 3 new 85-node clusters at Boeing in StL |
| [04:31:00] | j-rod: | then some rework at the Boeing Huntington Beach facility |
| [04:31:00] | j-rod: | we have some very kick-ass hardware |
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| [04:31:00] | guestish: | hi |
| [04:31:00] | j-rod: | heh, I got another new laptop too... |
| [04:31:00] | guestish: | does mythtv support this card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815100007 |
| [04:32:00] | j-rod: | triple-booting WinXP Pro, SUSE 9.3 Pro and Fedora Core 4 on it |
| [04:32:00] | joevslc: | does having analog under fox give any clues |
| [04:32:00] | joevslc: | i can see my receiver change from pcm to dd when I switch to fox |
| [04:32:00] | j-rod: | is it not a digital channel? |
| [04:32:00] | joevslc: | it's the local hdtv sub channel |
| [04:32:00] | rtsai: | Does /dev/dsp not work for you, or are you specifically trying to get ALSA set up? |
| [04:32:00] | joevslc: | ota |
| [04:33:00] | xris: | j-rod: damn... too many computers. |
| [04:33:00] | xris: | ;) |
| [04:33:00] | rtsai: | (and turn off AC3 passthrough) |
| [04:33:00] | joevslc: | I thought i had to use alsa |
| [04:33:00] | j-rod: | guestish, I believe it does work at least somewhat with the cx88-blackbird driver |
| [04:33:00] | rtsai: | I'm not using ALSA, and I have optical SPDIF to my cheapo home-theater-in-a-box |
| [04:33:00] | j-rod: | xris, yeah, its gonna be a bitch flying home |
| [04:33:00] | guestish: | j-rod: "somewhat"? |
| [04:33:00] | guestish: | j-rod: there anywhere i can check on the status of the driver? |
| [04:33:00] | rtsai: | joevslc: but I'm not really a home-theater freak |
| [04:34:00] | joevslc: | dev dsp gave me analog out the headphone jack |
| [04:34:00] | rtsai: | why did it change outputs? |
| [04:34:00] | j-rod: | I've got all sorts of other stuff to haul along too... |
| [04:34:00] | j-rod: | guestish, the driver attempts to emulate a PVR-x50 (wrt setting it up in myth), IIRC, but I'm not sure how completely it does |
| [04:34:00] | guestish: | j-rod: oh |
| [04:34:00] | j-rod: | a lot of the driver work was done by the plutohome folks |
| [04:35:00] | joevslc: | dunno, that's all i could get to work with /dev/dsp |
| [04:35:00] | guestish: | j-rod: i was thinking of this one too, but i dunno what chip it uses: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116629 |
| [04:35:00] | rtsai: | joevslc: umm, whatif you unplug the headphones? |
| [04:35:00] | joevslc: | really just moved into alsa |
| [04:35:00] | rtsai: | joevslc: dont' some receivers automatically switch to headphone output if they detect something plugged in there? |
| [04:35:00] | joevslc: | already done that |
| [04:35:00] | kormoc: | god is ssh forwarding of mythsetup really really slow or just broken? |
| [04:35:00] | MonMotha: | kormoc: I do it all the time |
| [04:35:00] | rtsai: | joevslc: yeah, just convering all possible bases :P |
| [04:35:00] | MonMotha: | it's dog slow unless you're on a 100MBit LAN |
| [04:35:00] | MonMotha: | but it does work, yes |
| [04:35:00] | joevslc: | that was the headphone jack from the sound card |
| [04:35:00] | j-rod: | guestish, that one works |
| [04:35:00] | xris: | http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/6754 |
| [04:36:00] | guestish: | j-rod: it the PVR-150? |
| [04:36:00] | j-rod: | yeah |
| [04:36:00] | rtsai: | joevslc: oh, hmm. |
| [04:36:00] | xris: | anyone interested is welcome to test it out and send me bug reports. |
| [04:36:00] | guestish: | ah, ok |
| [04:36:00] | guestish: | if its well supported, its worth the 10 bucks :) |
| [04:36:00] | rtsai: | joevslc: I'm using onboard audio (integrate 5.1 analog, spdif output, etc.) |
| [04:36:00] | j-rod: | <--- new SUSE user... |
| [04:37:00] | jams: | woohoo!! |
| [04:37:00] | joevslc: | well, I'll try that but I felt soooo good after getting my .asoundrc bukit and stuff |
| [04:37:00] | kormoc: | MonMotha, I'm on 100 mbit lan and it's taking 15 min and nothin yet :P |
| [04:37:00] | guestish: | im gonna try knopp myth |
| [04:37:00] | j-rod: | jams, heh :) |
| [04:37:00] | guestish: | maybe i'll have good luck :) |
| [04:37:00] | xris: | j-rod: simech people are pushing suse a bit... |
| [04:37:00] | rtsai: | joevslc: yeah, I've stillben too intimidated to work on ALSA and .asoundrc etc. |
| [04:37:00] | j-rod: | running under 9.3 on my laptop atm |
| [04:38:00] | joevslc: | i'm running SuSE 9.2 |
| [04:38:00] | xris: | ok, no more php_sessions directory for all of you mythweb users who don't like to chmod stuff for each install. |
| [04:38:00] | j-rod: | I still prefer RH for a server, as do many of the other Linux Networx guys, but we're moving tons of stuff to sles9 |
| [04:38:00] | joevslc: | does the '+' only work for "live tv" |
| [04:38:00] | MonMotha: | kormoc: it shouldn't take more than 10 seconds to draw the initial screen |
| [04:38:00] | rtsai: | xris: bah, my "mythwebinstall" script took care of all those details, and now you've broken my script :) |
| [04:38:00] | rtsai: | joevslc: '+' (changing audio tracks) also works for recordings |
| [04:38:00] | kormoc: | got it |
| [04:38:00] | xris: | rtsai: but in a good way. :) |
| [04:39:00] | kormoc: | it reqires the -Y flag for elevated access to the xserver |
| [04:39:00] | jams: | not going to debate anything but suse and redhat both have their strong suits |
| [04:39:00] | joevslc: | OK I'll work with it some more |
| [04:39:00] | j-rod: | being the kde user that I am, I'm rather appreciating suse 9.3 over FC... |
| [04:39:00] | guestish: | j-rod: i wonder if it comes w/ a remote |
| [04:39:00] | MonMotha: | would be nice if there was a curses setup option or something though for those of us that have completely headless backends |
| [04:39:00] | jams: | i just happen to like suse better |
| [04:39:00] | rtsai: | xris: oh yeah, compact.tar.bz2 appears to still be in svn ... |
| [04:39:00] | j-rod: | guestish, mce versions don't come w/a remote |
| [04:39:00] | MonMotha: | oh well, X forwarding works well enough over anything fast enough to reasonably run MythTV |
| [04:39:00] | guestish: | j-rod: what?? |
| [04:39:00] | joevslc: | I gotta get me some food |
| [04:40:00] | guestish: | j-rod: arg |
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| [04:40:00] | j-rod: | there's a "retail" version of the card that does |
| [04:40:00] | xris: | rtsai: actually, I think I may have left it on purpose. |
| [04:40:00] | xris: | in case someone wants to update it. |
| [04:40:00] | rtsai: | xris: OK |
| [04:40:00] | guestish: | j-rod: does lirc support the 150 remote? |
| [04:40:00] | j-rod: | yes and no |
| [04:40:00] | j-rod: | I've heard of some people with remotes that spontaneously stop working |
| [04:40:00] | rtsai: | xris: haha, how about you commit an empty "mythmusic+slideshow" directory, and maybe someone will "update" that, too? :) |
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| [04:41:00] | guestish: | j-rod: so am i better off using an ir dongle? |
| [04:41:00] | riddlebox: | is anyone using the pvr-500? |
| [04:41:00] | guestish: | j-rod: i have a creative serial ir dongle here |
| [04:41:00] | j-rod: | but I haven't kept up on much of anything for about a month, so that may be fixed by now... |
| [04:41:00] | rtsai: | has anyone built faad (for mfd/mfe)? The makefiles just seem totally broken |
| [04:41:00] | xris: | j-rod: mine did. then I discovered that I had put a staple through its receiver wire. |
| [04:42:00] | j-rod: | heh |
| [04:42:00] | xris: | ok, no more mythweb coding for now.. off to watch b5 or something. |
| [04:42:00] | j-rod: | actually, I meant the folks that had remotes stop working, but would work again after a reboot for a while, then stop again... |
| [04:42:00] | j-rod: | I prefer MCE USB receivers myself |
| [04:42:00] | j-rod: | best range and reception |
| [04:43:00] | guestish: | j-rod: you think my creative serial dongle will work? |
| [04:43:00] | j-rod: | should |
| [04:43:00] | guestish: | do i have to use the remote it comes with? |
| [04:43:00] | j-rod: | nope |
| [04:43:00] | jams: | j-rod, you have a pvr-500 correct? |
| [04:43:00] | j-rod: | jams, yeah |
| [04:44:00] | jams: | does it work well ? |
| [04:44:00] | j-rod: | yeah |
| [04:44:00] | jams: | consider it stable? |
| [04:44:00] | jams: | well the ivtv drivers are they stable |
| [04:44:00] | j-rod: | haven't had any stability issues with it since 4kstacks patches got in like 3 months ago |
| [04:44:00] | jams: | that's all I needed to know |
| [04:44:00] | jams: | might have to try it out |
| [04:44:00] | guestish: | hrm |
| [04:44:00] | kormoc: | anyone happen to know where gentoo stores the mysql.txt for .18.1? |
| [04:45:00] | j-rod: | I think I'm still running what's now a relatively old ivtv, but it worksforme |
| [04:45:00] | jams: | thank you sir |
| [04:45:00] | j-rod: | np |
| [04:45:00] | j-rod: | kormoc, should be in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [04:45:00] | guestish: | i guess i can get the MCE edition, and use my dongle, right? |
| [04:45:00] | j-rod: | guestish, yes |
| [04:45:00] | kormoc: | j-rod, thx |
| [04:46:00] | j-rod: | np |
| [04:46:00] | guestish: | j-rod: and use some generic universal remote w/ it? |
| [04:46:00] | jams: | was this your first week at the new job? |
| [04:46:00] | j-rod: | yup |
| [04:46:00] | j-rod: | flew into SLC Sunday night, been here since |
| [04:46:00] | jams: | good timing on your part |
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| [04:46:00] | jams: | with the 3 day weekend coming up |
| [04:47:00] | j-rod: | back to Seattle tomorrow, 3 days there, then back here. |
| [04:47:00] | j-rod: | we've got a 2560 node cluster being built up for LANL right now... |
| [04:48:00] | j-rod: | will be interesting to see where it lands on the top500... |
| [04:48:00] | jams: | nice |
| [04:48:00] | jams: | using linuxbios on those guys? |
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| [04:48:00] | joevslc: | Ok |
| [04:48:00] | j-rod: | Rolen has a hose. |
| [04:48:00] | joevslc: | Sometimes I'm dumb founded |
| [04:49:00] | j-rod: | jams, yeah |
| [04:49:00] | joevslc: | I played with the plus key and got my audio on fox |
| [04:49:00] | jams: | one of these days I have to try it |
| [04:49:00] | j-rod: | Linux Networx actually does a whole lot of the actual coding on LinuxBIOS |
| [04:49:00] | jams: | all good info |
| [04:49:00] | rtsai: | joevslc: cool :) |
| [04:49:00] | riddlebox: | j-rod:in mythtvsetup what card do you select for the pvr-500? |
| [04:49:00] | joevslc: | didn't realize I had to do shift + to get it to work |
| [04:50:00] | rtsai: | joevslc: ah. Keypad + probably works too |
| [04:50:00] | jams: | j-rod, I may be asking some questions in the new future :) |
| [04:50:00] | j-rod: | joevslc, heh, cool |
| [04:50:00] | j-rod: | jams, bring 'em on. :) |
| [04:50:00] | joevslc: | thanks for all the help |
| [04:50:00] | j-rod: | I've got a week-long SUSE training thingy back here the week of Aug 8 — getting fully indoctrinated... |
| [04:50:00] | j-rod: | riddlebox, PVR-x50 |
| [04:50:00] | joevslc: | final step is to get the fx 5500 to output through dvi to my projector |
| [04:50:00] | rtsai: | joevslc: be wary of transcoding your FOX recordings. The mythtranscode pick the same default, and your transcodings will have no audio :( |
| [04:50:00] | riddlebox: | ok thanks |
| [04:51:00] | joevslc: | thanks |
| [04:51:00] | joevslc: | I haven't even started the "fine tuning" |
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| [04:51:00] | joevslc: | I'll remember that |
| [04:51:00] | rtsai: | i dunno, a projector sounds pretty fine to me |
| [04:51:00] | jams: | that's cool..i'm sure some SUSE way of doing things you will just shake your head at |
| [04:52:00] | j-rod: | heh, already have... |
| [04:52:00] | jams: | I know sometimes I do |
| [04:52:00] | riddlebox: | j-rod:all I see is MPEG-2 Encoder card (PVR-250,PVR-350) is that ok? |
| [04:52:00] | joevslc: | my pj was one of the best things I ever bought |
| [04:52:00] | j-rod: | had to set up ndiswrapper for the wifi card in the laptop... VERY different between FC4 and SUSE 9.3 |
| [04:52:00] | jonK: | help! how to fsck a lvm drive! |
| [04:52:00] | j-rod: | riddlebox, yeah, that's it |
| [04:52:00] | riddlebox: | ok cool |
| [04:53:00] | j-rod: | jonK, fsck /dev/VolGroupName/VolName |
| [04:53:00] | riddlebox: | also with that card, do you have to have to coax cables going into it for both feeds, or is it just one? |
| [04:53:00] | joevslc: | dinner's done |
| [04:53:00] | joevslc: | thanks again |
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| [04:53:00] | rtsai: | not fsck.jfs? |
| [04:53:00] | j-rod: | or sometimes /dev/mapper/volgroup-volname |
| [04:53:00] | j-rod: | well, yeah, that too, if it isn't auto-detected |
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| [04:54:00] | j-rod: | ^ if fs type isn't auto-detected |
| [04:54:00] | jonK: | it's kicking to # at bootup |
| [04:55:00] | rtsai: | oh oops i don't know why I assumed jfs in there |
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| [04:58:00] | riddlebox: | where do you find out what channel frequency charter cable is? |
| [04:58:00] | jonK: | why do you need to know that/ |
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| [05:00:00] | riddlebox: | in mythtvsetup it asks |
| [05:00:00] | jonK: | use us-cable |
| [05:00:00] | riddlebox: | ok |
| [05:01:00] | jonK: | all us cable will use the NTSC standard for analog signaling |
| [05:01:00] | riddlebox: | ok |
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| [05:02:00] | kgbudz: | is there a webpage for mythweb |
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| [05:02:00] | kgbudz: | not having the recorded programs paginate |
| [05:02:00] | kgbudz: | is becoming a disaster |
| [05:02:00] | kgbudz: | i have like 1.5tb of recordings |
| [05:03:00] | kgbudz: | and mythweb is loading all of them in 1 page |
| [05:03:00] | kgbudz: | i need to talk to the creator and see if he/she can fix it |
| [05:03:00] | kormoc: | what do you want it to do? |
| [05:03:00] | kgbudz: | paginate |
| [05:03:00] | kgbudz: | show like 50 recordings per pag |
| [05:03:00] | kgbudz: | page |
| [05:04:00] | kormoc: | hrm, that could get quite annoying. |
| [05:04:00] | kgbudz: | like have it dynamically choose between |
| [05:04:00] | kgbudz: | showing all of them |
| [05:04:00] | kgbudz: | and showing per page |
| [05:04:00] | kormoc: | yeah, true |
| [05:04:00] | kgbudz: | like if you have a small amount |
| [05:04:00] | kgbudz: | it shows them all |
| [05:04:00] | kgbudz: | if you have like 800+ like me |
| [05:04:00] | kgbudz: | break it down |
| [05:04:00] | rtsai: | how are you going to watch 1.5TB of stuff? |
| [05:05:00] | kgbudz: | i record like 20 programs a day |
| [05:05:00] | kgbudz: | its about variety |
| [05:05:00] | kormoc: | that's actually a easy patch. |
| [05:05:00] | jonK: | how much do you watch |
| [05:06:00] | kgbudz: | not much |
| [05:06:00] | kgbudz: | maybe a few hours |
| [05:06:00] | kgbudz: | if that |
| [05:06:00] | jonK: | "a few hours"! |
| [05:06:00] | ** j-rod doesn't think there's that much on TV *worth* watching ** | |
| [05:06:00] | j-rod: | :) |
| [05:06:00] | kgbudz: | like it nice to let it go for a few weeks |
| [05:06:00] | kgbudz: | and then boom |
| [05:06:00] | ** kormoc loves SELECT ... LIMIT 50 OFFSET X ** | |
| [05:06:00] | MonMotha: | ok, is there anyone on here who actually knows much about troubleshooting ivtv before I go to the trouble of putting everything up on a pastebin? I can capture from s-video and composite just fine, but the tuner just gives me static. I've tried multiple types of tuners (autodetects type 50). PVR-150 retail |
| [05:06:00] | kgbudz: | you have huge stock piles of tv |
| [05:06:00] | kgbudz: | of shows |
| [05:06:00] | kgbudz: | that are good |
| [05:07:00] | kgbudz: | have you seen stella |
| [05:07:00] | kgbudz: | that show is pretty funny |
| [05:07:00] | j-rod: | MonMotha, does your tuner module actually have support for type 50? |
| [05:07:00] | j-rod: | wow, suse 9.3 is only rpm 4.1... |
| [05:08:00] | MonMotha: | j-rod: tuner: type set to 50 (TCL 2002N) by ivtv i2c driver #0 |
| [05:08:00] | MonMotha: | it knows what it is |
| [05:08:00] | MonMotha: | it's the tuner module that came with the ivtv dev source (stable 2.x source doesn't tune at all) |
| [05:09:00] | j-rod: | hrm, no clue then |
| [05:09:00] | MonMotha: | hang on, let me get the entire startup sequence on a pastebin |
| [05:09:00] | MonMotha: | http://pastebin.com/305736 |
| [05:10:00] | MonMotha: | it's an older driver revision because newer ones give me even less (this gievs me static for audio and video, newer versions give me silence for audio and solid black for video) |
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| [05:10:00] | TimmyJ_: | anyone know if its possible to watch TV through mythTV in a rezable window? if so...how |
| [05:12:00] | MonMotha: | TimmyJ_: you can tell MythTV to run windowed, and you can give it a size, but it will refuse to be resized by the window managetr |
| [05:12:00] | MonMotha: | at least that's how it hints |
| [05:12:00] | MonMotha: | I haven't tried overriding the hint to see if it correctly handles a resize event or not |
| [05:13:00] | TimmyJ_: | it seems like that'd be something a lot of people would be interested in (that is if they are watching the TV on their computer like me) |
| [05:14:00] | TimmyJ_: | so you can watch in a little window while ur doing something...then watch fullscreen when you want |
| [05:15:00] | MonMotha: | hang on, let me do a resize hint override and see how it handles it |
| [05:16:00] | MonMotha: | it does not handle it |
| [05:16:00] | TimmyJ_: | I also have one more question...I can run mythTV just fine through my mythtv user, but when I try and run it as my normal user I get this error... |
| [05:16:00] | TimmyJ_: | Access denied for user: 'tim@localhost' (Using password: YES) |
| [05:16:00] | TimmyJ_: | couldn't open db |
| [05:16:00] | TimmyJ_: | 2005-06–30 23:08:41.034 Switching to square mode (blue) |
| [05:16:00] | TimmyJ_: | Segmentation fault |
| [05:16:00] | MonMotha: | you need to make sure that it has a mysql.txt it can pull from, otherwise it will try your default mysql credentials |
| [05:17:00] | MonMotha: | (which are probably meaningless) |
| [05:17:00] | TimmyJ_: | so I need to create a mysql.txt file...what do I put in it, and where should i put it? |
| [05:17:00] | TimmyJ_: | sry, kinda a newb |
| [05:18:00] | MonMotha: | ~/.mythtv is what it seems to pay attention to |
| [05:18:00] | MonMotha: | it may try reading /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt if it can |
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| [05:18:00] | MonMotha: | er ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
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| [05:22:00] | TimmyJ_: | will it work if I copy the mysql.txt that my mythtv user uses over to my regular user? |
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| [05:24:00] | MonMotha: | should |
| [05:24:00] | TimmyJ_: | got it :) |
| [05:24:00] | TimmyJ_: | thx |
| [05:24:00] | Mersault: | okay, so I just installed mythtv and mythplugins from svn/cvs, and nothing gave me errors (or at least nothing I didn't resolve), but now when i try and start mythbackend, I get "mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.18.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory", any ideas? |
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| [05:31:00] | rtsai: | echo /usr/local/lib >> /etc/ld.so.conf |
| [05:31:00] | rtsai: | ldconfig |
| [05:31:00] | rtsai: | Mersault: ^^^ |
| [05:31:00] | j-rod: | This camera man is a douche-bag... |
| [05:32:00] | j-rod: | though Kenny did kinda go nutz... |
| [05:32:00] | Mersault: | rtsai, goddamn... so, my impressions of FC3 aren't very good... |
| [05:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | How, distcc was a snap to setup, I expected a lot more effort :) |
| [05:33:00] | j-rod: | Mersault, why? |
| [05:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | s/How/Wow |
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| [05:41:00] | gnoob: | i had distcc set up once but now that my main machine is amd64 it does not like to work with the others on that. Witout further configuration. |
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| [05:43:00] | rtsai: | anyone using mfd/mfe? |
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| [05:44:00] | defaultro: | good evening guys |
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| [05:44:00] | defaultro: | hey guys, how's the svn stability? |
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| [05:44:00] | defaultro: | i mean, the bleeding mythtv version? |
| [05:44:00] | rtsai: | try it and find out |
| [05:45:00] | defaultro: | the reason I ask, I want to try this: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~pjaaskel/mythtv-dvb_subtitles/ |
| [05:45:00] | defaultro: | hi rtsai :) |
| [05:45:00] | rtsai: | so try it :) |
| [05:45:00] | defaultro: | are you using it? |
| [05:45:00] | rtsai: | yes. |
| [05:45:00] | defaultro: | how is it? |
| [05:46:00] | rtsai: | do we use the same features? On similar systems? Probably not. |
| [05:46:00] | rtsai: | Works forme. |
| [05:46:00] | defaultro: | what issues have you experience lately? |
| [05:46:00] | rtsai: | it's just software. Try it. If you don't like it, go back to what you were using before. |
| [05:46:00] | rtsai: | No issues. |
| [05:46:00] | defaultro: | bam |
| [05:46:00] | defaultro: | i'll try tomorrow |
| [05:47:00] | defaultro: | did you see mchou lately? |
| [05:47:00] | rtsai: | no, buti haven't been watching |
| [05:47:00] | defaultro: | mchou, he's a user on this channel :) |
| [05:48:00] | Chutt: | why do people lie about what version they're trying to compile? |
| [05:48:00] | Chutt: | i mean, it's pretty easy to tell |
| [05:48:00] | defaultro: | Chutt, what's the problem? |
| [05:48:00] | Chutt: | -dev list |
| [05:48:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [05:48:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [05:48:00] | Chutt: | guy says he's running the most recent checkout |
| [05:49:00] | Chutt: | it's at _least_ a week old |
| [05:49:00] | rtsai: | i'm sure it was at the time of *his* checkout :) |
| [05:49:00] | defaultro: | ask him to run mythfrontend -version something |
| [05:49:00] | defaultro: | and paste it to you |
| [05:49:00] | Chutt: | he even gave the revision # in the email |
| [05:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | .0.10 failed |
| [05:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | In file included from tv.h:51, |
| [05:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | from tv.cpp:1: |
| [05:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | tv_play.h:251: error: 'vector' is used as a type, but is not defined as a type. |
| [05:49:00] | rtsai: | maybe his e-mail is slow :) |
| [05:49:00] | defaultro: | hey GreyFoxx, what's up buddy |
| [05:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone else seeing this on CVS/SVN as of this afternoon ? |
| [05:49:00] | rtsai: | i saw that on a mailing list |
| [05:50:00] | rtsai: | supposedly he just added #include <vector> |
| [05:50:00] | Malebolge: | 'Lo all |
| [05:50:00] | defaultro: | cya later guys, got to drop by dominicks :) |
| [05:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | rtsai: Thanks |
| [05:51:00] | Chutt: | include <vector> |
| [05:51:00] | Chutt: | and a using namespace std; |
| [05:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | The include seemed to take care of it |
| [05:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | wow, ccache and distcc certainly make a difference :) |
| [05:53:00] | Chutt: | i see no need for ccache or distcc now |
| [05:53:00] | Chutt: | =) |
| [05:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe alas a new system is not in my immediate future :) |
| [05:54:00] | rtsai: | ccache r0x |
| [05:55:00] | rtsai: | c'mon, even your pimp-rig can benefit from ccache, why not try it for kix? |
| [05:55:00] | Chutt: | because it only takes 6 minutes to compile from a distclean :p |
| [05:55:00] | rtsai: | go for 2 minutes :) |
| [05:55:00] | Chutt: | and i very, very rarely do a distclean |
| [05:55:00] | Chutt: | hrm |
| [05:55:00] | Chutt: | i need to flop these two alsa cards |
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| [05:57:00] | kormoc: | hey, I know you! |
| [05:57:00] | Talinom: | You bet you do, man! |
| [05:57:00] | Talinom: | Just downloaded Trillian as I didn't have an IRC client on my system. |
| [05:58:00] | Talinom: | So, I've been reading bad things about Linux compatability and the blackbird chipset found on many of the new Hauppauge cards. |
| [05:58:00] | kormoc: | ahh, I recommend xchat if you want a real irc client :) |
| [05:58:00] | ** kormoc ndos ** | |
| [05:58:00] | kormoc: | *nods |
| [05:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | "real" irc clients are not graphical in nature :) |
| [05:58:00] | Talinom: | Does that run on Windoze? :-$ |
| [05:58:00] | Chutt: | i like xchat |
| [05:59:00] | kormoc: | yuppies, there is a xchat for windows |
| [05:59:00] | Talinom: | Hey, I used to IRC on a 14.4 modem. Just deal, OK? |
| [05:59:00] | kormoc: | Talinom, http://silverex.org |
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| [06:00:00] | ** j-rod likes xchat too ** | |
| [06:00:00] | Talinom: | I'll be back. |
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| [06:01:00] | Malebolge: | Chutt et al, thanks much for the software. I appreciate all of your work. (back to lurking) |
| [06:01:00] | j-rod: | irssi is pretty nice for a cli client |
| [06:01:00] | ** GreyFoxx is old school. I prefer text based email, news clients, and irc clients :) ** | |
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| [06:01:00] | j-rod: | yay, myth running on suse 9.3 now |
| [06:02:00] | ** rtsai likes irssi ** | |
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| [06:03:00] | kormoc: | yay! myth master backend moved over to standalone server! |
| [06:03:00] | kormoc: | welcome back |
| [06:03:00] | Talinom: | I said I'd be back. |
| [06:03:00] | Talinom: | X-Chat is better. Thanks. |
| [06:04:00] | Talinom: | So my experience with the NTSC portion of the pcHDTV card has been... !fun. |
| [06:04:00] | j-rod: | I never touch the analog side of mine |
| [06:05:00] | Talinom: | I don't have digital yet. I was hoping that I would be able to leach off of the neighbors due to the broadcast nature of non on-demand programming, but that isn't the case. |
| [06:05:00] | Talinom: | The NTSC portion I didn't know would be this nasty. |
| [06:06:00] | Talinom: | I'm going to shelve the card for a while until I get digital at some random time in the future. |
| [06:06:00] | Talinom: | What NTSC MythTV compatable would you guys recommend? |
| [06:07:00] | j-rod: | PVR-250 |
| [06:07:00] | Talinom: | I was looking at the Hauppauge PVR-500, but I've heard about this nasty blackbird chipset from Conexant. |
| [06:07:00] | j-rod: | the 500 works just fine |
| [06:07:00] | j-rod: | so does the 150 |
| [06:07:00] | Talinom: | Even with the blackbird chipset? |
| [06:07:00] | j-rod: | the 250 is a bit better supported though |
| [06:08:00] | j-rod: | yes |
| [06:08:00] | j-rod: | its not quite the same as some blackbird cards |
| [06:08:00] | Talinom: | You guys kick butt!!! |
| [06:08:00] | j-rod: | different design, works with the same driver as the 250 now |
| [06:08:00] | Talinom: | You have just made my evening. |
| [06:08:00] | kormoc: | they fixed that?! yay! |
| [06:08:00] | Talinom: | I heard that the driver was in pre alpha, but those results from my search were from a few months ago. |
| [06:09:00] | j-rod: | I have a 500 and a 150, both work just fine |
| [06:09:00] | j-rod: | sheesh, 8 jacks... |
| [06:09:00] | j-rod: | its pretty stable |
| [06:09:00] | j-rod: | time to dump out of suse and boot into fedora... |
| [06:10:00] | Talinom: | Any problems setting up the 500? |
| [06:10:00] | j-rod: | nope |
| [06:10:00] | Talinom: | Excellent. |
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| [06:10:00] | j-rod: | at least, not after I wrote the tveeprom support for it to be auto-configured. :) |
| [06:10:00] | j-rod: | bbiab |
| [06:10:00] | j-rod is now known as j-rod|afk | |
| [06:11:00] | Talinom: | I am soooo not a coder. |
| [06:11:00] | Talinom: | Where did you get your 500 at? I'm looking for a reputable place to get it from. |
| [06:12:00] | Talinom: | pcalchemy.com is one that I've heard of. |
| [06:12:00] | Talinom: | But I don't know what their service is like. |
| [06:13:00] | mchou: | they're ok. a bit on the pricy side. |
| [06:13:00] | mchou: | try amazon. |
| [06:14:00] | mchou: | you shouldnt really care about service as long as they ship the right thing and take returns :) |
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| [06:15:00] | kormoc: | but when you have to argue for 10 months for it to be returned, it's all okay eh mchou? :P |
| [06:16:00] | Talinom: | Bad experience kormoc? |
| [06:16:00] | mchou: | kormoc: now that would be bad :) |
| [06:16:00] | kormoc: | Amazon has taken 16 months to ship a in stock book to myself so far, and counting! |
| [06:16:00] | Chutt: | yay, that was easy |
| [06:16:00] | mchou: | hah! |
| [06:16:00] | kormoc: | every 2 weeks I get a email, we're sorry, your order has been delayed. |
| [06:16:00] | Chutt: | flipped card definitions |
| [06:16:00] | Chutt: | kormoc, amazon just upgraded my shipping to 1 day for free |
| [06:17:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [06:17:00] | Chutt: | mostly because they were a day late in shipping it out to me, but, still, i thought that was cool =) |
| [06:17:00] | kormoc: | how nice, I bet I get one day shipping too, when they bother to ship it :P |
| [06:17:00] | mchou: | amazon gets Chutt's "Seal of Approval" :) |
| [06:17:00] | Talinom: | Yeah, it will be there one day. |
| [06:17:00] | Chutt: | i _do_ pay for prime, though |
| [06:18:00] | mchou: | kormoc: just out of curiosity, what book is it? |
| [06:18:00] | ** kormoc gets link ** | |
| [06:19:00] | Chutt: | i like amazon's new book page layout, too |
| [06:20:00] | kormoc: | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- . . . amp;n=507846 |
| [06:20:00] | Chutt: | the non-available book? :p |
| [06:20:00] | kormoc: | you see |
| [06:20:00] | kormoc: | it was available at the time I ordered it :P |
| [06:20:00] | kormoc: | and it was bought with a GC |
| [06:21:00] | Chutt: | ah |
| [06:21:00] | Chutt: | probably kinda difficult for them to fill it |
| [06:21:00] | kormoc: | and if I cancel the order, I lose the GC anyway (it's expired by now) |
| [06:21:00] | Talinom: | Can you just cancel the defective order? |
| [06:21:00] | kormoc: | and when I emailed them, they said they'd try to special order it and yeah, it's just sitting there in limbo |
| [06:21:00] | Chutt: | i dunno, have you talked to customer service? |
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| [06:21:00] | mchou: | kormoc: you buying it new or used? |
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| [06:21:00] | MonMotha: | tyou know, I haven't even tried to use the analog side of my pcHDTV. I've been told it's not better than the crappy bttv stuff though |
| [06:21:00] | kormoc: | I ordered it new |
| [06:22:00] | Chutt: | i'm sure they'd send you a coupon or something for the original price of the book if it's taken this long |
| [06:22:00] | kormoc: | honestly, I havn't bothered to actually call them or anything. |
| [06:22:00] | kormoc: | just a email. |
| [06:22:00] | Chutt: | you've always gotta do _2_ emails to amazon |
| [06:22:00] | Talinom: | I had to hack one of the mysql tables to get the color even close to right. |
| [06:22:00] | kormoc: | yeah, maybe I'll get unlazy and call them and see what they can do. |
| [06:22:00] | j-rod: | Talinom, my 500 came straight from Hauppauge |
| [06:22:00] | kormoc: | Chutt, ooh? |
| [06:22:00] | Chutt: | first one just gets you an outsourced guy in india who pastes an answer |
| [06:23:00] | Chutt: | second one generally gets someone who can do something about the problem |
| [06:23:00] | kormoc: | hehe, fair nuff, I'll do that when I feel unlazy enough :) |
| [06:23:00] | mchou: | Chutt: if it's taken them this long I'd expect the book for free :) |
| [06:23:00] | Chutt: | heh |
| [06:23:00] | Talinom: | Now I'm having a problem with the card not turning off the audio. You see it has to go through the line in on the sound card. |
| [06:23:00] | Chutt: | well, if they can't get it, they can't get it |
| [06:24:00] | Chutt: | i dunno, i like amazon. the very few times i've had problems, they've been good about getting things fixed |
| [06:24:00] | Talinom: | Yeah, I've hacked away at alsamixer. |
| [06:24:00] | kormoc: | this has been my only beef with amazon, and I admit half of it is myself just being too lazy to follow up with it. |
| [06:24:00] | mchou: | Chutt: if you dont mind me asking, what you got on the new rig that needs a 550W power supply? |
| [06:24:00] | Chutt: | http://www.mythtv.org/books/ |
| [06:24:00] | Chutt: | btw =) |
| [06:24:00] | Chutt: | mchou, absolutely nothing |
| [06:25:00] | kormoc: | Chutt, nice! |
| [06:25:00] | Chutt: | but it wasn't too much more than lesser wattages |
| [06:25:00] | Chutt: | that's not been updated in a while |
| [06:25:00] | Chutt: | i should update it sometime |
| [06:25:00] | Talinom: | j-rod: I've checked out their site, but the price is $199 vs about $150 or so elsewhere. |
| [06:25:00] | Chutt: | i _really_ want a php-based book collection app |
| [06:25:00] | mchou: | Chutt: ok, fair enough. I associate more Watts with more noise :) |
| [06:25:00] | kormoc: | Talinom, iirc, j-rod is a bit... biased. he got it for free :P |
| [06:25:00] | Chutt: | mchou, this only has one fan |
| [06:25:00] | j-rod: | heh, Talinom, yeah, I paid nothing. :) |
| [06:25:00] | Chutt: | antec truepower 2 |
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| [06:26:00] | j-rod: | Chutt, where's your amazon wish list? :) |
| [06:26:00] | Talinom: | The Antec Truepower rocks. |
| [06:26:00] | Chutt: | heh |
| [06:26:00] | j-rod: | (thought that was actually what that link might be at first) |
| [06:26:00] | kormoc: | the pc power and cooling ones rock a bit more ;) |
| [06:26:00] | Chutt: | j-rod, i preordered it all |
| [06:26:00] | Chutt: | amazon prime combined with one-click is fucking _dangerous_ |
| [06:27:00] | j-rod: | heh |
| [06:27:00] | mchou: | haha! |
| [06:27:00] | Talinom: | Ok, so now that I have the card in mind what would be a good case for my headless MythTV box? Chime in! |
| [06:27:00] | Chutt: | like, i used to carefully plan out purchases so i'd have a bunch |
| [06:27:00] | Chutt: | now i just find stuff i might want and click on the 'free 2 day shipping' button |
| [06:27:00] | mchou: | Talinom: so this is only going to be a backend? |
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| [06:29:00] | Chutt: | hrm, i think i _will_ update my books page |
| [06:29:00] | Chutt: | where'd i stick readerware |
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| [06:29:00] | Talinom: | mchou: It is going to be an all in one box. It will be in the living room with my ATI Remote Wonder driving it. |
| [06:29:00] | mchou: | then it's nit exactly "headless" |
| [06:30:00] | mchou: | not* |
| [06:30:00] | Talinom: | Damn, what is the command on IRC ('cause my sk1llz are rusty) for private message? |
| [06:30:00] | mchou: | '/msg |
| [06:30:00] | nick125: | /query ? |
| [06:30:00] | Randall64: | So what do you do when just have one cable box and need the pip or extra teevees? |
| [06:30:00] | Talinom: | Ok, it is going to hook directly to the TV with no monitor at all. |
| [06:30:00] | mchou: | Randall64: you SOL |
| [06:31:00] | Randall64: | I thought analog came over the same cable for some reason. |
| [06:31:00] | mchou: | Randall64: big issue with cablecard too. |
| [06:31:00] | Randall64: | cablecard? subscriber thing? |
| [06:32:00] | j-rod: | ndiswrapper isn't nearly as bad as people made it out to be... |
| [06:32:00] | j-rod: | Chutt, any interest in a couple of books that cover Myth? (among other things) |
| [06:32:00] | mchou: | on avsforum all these fools are thing the MCE Update in august will have cablecard support..... |
| [06:32:00] | Chutt: | couple? |
| [06:32:00] | Randall64: | I hear ndiswrapper does 64-bit drivers now. |
| [06:32:00] | mchou: | thinking* |
| [06:32:00] | j-rod: | I'm supposed to help write some of an O'Reilly Linux Multimedia Hacks book |
| [06:32:00] | Chutt: | mchou, what makes you think it won't? |
| [06:32:00] | Chutt: | j-rod, talk to rkulagow |
| [06:32:00] | j-rod: | and tech edit Linux Toys II |
| [06:33:00] | mchou: | Chutt: it might, but where's the hardware? :) |
| [06:33:00] | j-rod: | is he after books? |
| [06:33:00] | Chutt: | he was talking with someone about it before |
| [06:34:00] | j-rod: | looks like he's out, but I'll chat w/him |
| [06:34:00] | mchou: | Chutt: I'll believe it when I see it :) |
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| [06:35:00] | Talinom: | What is the proper method for submitting a bug report (or annoyance report) on MythTv? |
| [06:37:00] | mchou: | Talinom: myth-dev mail list? |
| [06:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | Or through trac. http://cvs.mythtv.org and enter a new ticket |
| [06:40:00] | Randall64: | "Despite the fact you have Comcast "Digital" cable (I have it too), all |
| [06:40:00] | Randall64: | channels are analog. The only part that is really "digital" is the |
| [06:40:00] | Randall64: | guide info. The only truly digital channels are the HDTV ones" |
| [06:40:00] | Randall64: | aha |
| [06:40:00] | Chutt: | which isn't true |
| [06:40:00] | Chutt: | anything about 99's going to be digital |
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| [06:42:00] | mchou: | Chutt: 99? as in channel or year? |
| [06:42:00] | Randall64: | "I'd suggest setting up a |
| [06:42:00] | Randall64: | channels file for 1–125, assigning that to the coax inputs on both |
| [06:42:00] | Randall64: | cards, then setting up channels 126–999 for the cable box feed. |
| [06:43:00] | Randall64: | alright, time for bed, I'm moving tomorrow |
| [06:43:00] | mchou: | Randall64: who are you quoting? |
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| [06:43:00] | Randall64: | mchou: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . tiple;#39060 |
| [06:45:00] | Talinom: | Opps. My bug issue should be for KnoppMyth. It deals with their installation routine. |
| [06:47:00] | Talinom: | In looking deeper it appears to be an ongoing issue there. |
| [06:47:00] | j-rod: | heh... |
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| [06:48:00] | mchou: | Randall64: haha, that thread is funny. "Wife 1.0 issues." heh. Waith till wife 2.0 comes along :) |
| [06:49:00] | j-rod: | depends on your provider, sometimes you can get 1–99 w/o a box, sometimes 1–125... |
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| [06:51:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: hey, still no luck with my PVR-150 |
| [06:51:00] | MonMotha: | I get static for both audio and video now |
| [06:51:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: huh?? |
| [06:51:00] | MonMotha: | are you the same mchou that was talking to me earlier today? |
| [06:51:00] | mchou: | dude, you must be doing something wrong. |
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| [06:51:00] | MonMotha: | ok, compile drivers, install, modprobe ivtv |
| [06:51:00] | mchou: | there is only one mchou :) |
| [06:51:00] | MonMotha: | that's the extent of the documentation I've seen |
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| [06:52:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: bullshit. |
| [06:52:00] | mchou: | there is also "test with ivtvctl." |
| [06:52:00] | MonMotha: | that's abotu all I've come across. The rest is very high level FAQs and mailing lists |
| [06:52:00] | MonMotha: | yes, I can pull s-video and composite off it just fine. It looks GREAT |
| [06:52:00] | mchou: | and ptune.pl and whatnot. |
| [06:52:00] | MonMotha: | the tuner just does not work |
| [06:52:00] | roscivs: | In fc3/fc4, mythtv dies when returning to the menu. There's some bash variable you can set to fix this, but I've forgotten what it is, and Google isn't helping me. |
| [06:52:00] | MonMotha: | ok, I'd use ptune if I knew where the one ivtv CPAN module was |
| [06:53:00] | roscivs: | Anyone know what it is off-hand? |
| [06:53:00] | travolta: | what is in your modules.conf/modprobe.conf ? |
| [06:53:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: you'll fogive me if I find that hard to believe :) |
| [06:53:00] | travolta: | maybe you need tuner=something else |
| [06:53:00] | mchou: | forgive* |
| [06:53:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: paste ivtv output in pastebin. |
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| [06:54:00] | MonMotha: | http://pastebin.com/305736 |
| [06:54:00] | MonMotha: | if it's still there |
| [06:54:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: I can even give you a copy of something I've ripped off the s-video input |
| [06:54:00] | MonMotha: | it really looks nice |
| [06:54:00] | MonMotha: | travolta: It detects a tuner type 50. I've tried tuner=51, 57, 49, and 8 (which seem popular on PVR-150s |
| [06:55:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: that's using the driver version you recommended, which has gotten me the furthest so far (it gives me static, rather than no sound nd a black screen on tuner input) |
| [06:55:00] | MonMotha: | I also tried both tuner inputs, and some of the other svid/composite inputs just to be sure |
| [06:55:00] | MonMotha: | (and by some, I mean every input) |
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| [06:55:00] | travolta: | you try 39 ? |
| [06:56:00] | MonMotha: | maybe, I can try it |
| [06:56:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: gimme filename of "modprobe tuner" |
| [06:56:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: dont bother trying 39. |
| [06:56:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: hang on, I need to reinstall the drivers |
| [06:56:00] | MonMotha: | I was trying something else |
| [06:57:00] | mchou: | I meant modinfo tuner |
| [06:57:00] | MonMotha: | grumpy:/usr/src/ivtv-0.3.2x/driver# modprobe -v tuner |
| [06:57:00] | MonMotha: | insmod /lib/modules/2.6.12-gr1/ivtv/tuner.ko |
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| [06:58:00] | MonMotha: | (and no, the gr is not grsecurity, it's just a local revision number I use since th ehostname is grumpy) |
| [06:58:00] | miketiger: | i just got my pvr-150mce card today, and installed it and setup mythtv, however when i record something it doesnt show up and theres an error in the log stating file not found |
| [06:59:00] | miketiger: | cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg works just fine |
| [06:59:00] | mchou: | well according to the ivtv output everything is working. |
| [06:59:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: put ivtvctl -a in pastebin. |
| [06:59:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: indeed, but all I get is static |
| [06:59:00] | mchou: | static means tuner is working :) |
| [07:00:00] | mchou: | otherwise you'd get black screen |
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| [07:00:00] | MonMotha: | http://pastebin.com/305749 |
| [07:00:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: I figured as such. It's certainly capturing from the tuner, but it seems to be tuning to the wrong frequency |
| [07:01:00] | MonMotha: | I tried multiple channels in myth. If I knew where Video::ivtv perl module was I'd try ptune |
| [07:01:00] | mchou: | Frequency = 0 |
| [07:01:00] | mchou: | that's your problem |
| [07:01:00] | mchou: | line 105 |
| [07:01:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: it hasn't been tuned by anything yet |
| [07:01:00] | mchou: | go read the ivtv docs thoroughly. |
| [07:01:00] | MonMotha: | WHAT FSCKING DOCS? |
| [07:02:00] | mchou: | in the ivtv source tree. |
| [07:02:00] | MonMotha: | you keep referring to this magical documentation that I cannot find after googling for hours |
| [07:02:00] | ledhed: | how do I change a files group from the commandline? |
| [07:02:00] | MonMotha: | chgrp |
| [07:02:00] | ledhed: | thanks |
| [07:02:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: dude, olenty of ppl got 150 working by themselves. |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | plenty* |
| [07:03:00] | MonMotha: | yes, and it seems that all they did was modprobe ivtv and it worked |
| [07:03:00] | MonMotha: | I did that and...it didn't work |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | no, bullshit. They tested it. |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | just like I had to test it. |
| [07:03:00] | ledhed: | humm... chgrp didn't work. is there another way? |
| [07:03:00] | MonMotha: | I went and looked at the (remarkably short) debian howto. Followed it to the letter. Did exactly what it's doing now |
| [07:03:00] | MonMotha: | ledhed: um, chgrp <group> <file> |
| [07:03:00] | miketiger: | ledhed, chgrp group files |
| [07:03:00] | mchou: | I didnt say debian howto. |
| [07:03:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: so it doesn't work until you test it first? |
| [07:03:00] | ledhed: | ya did that |
| [07:04:00] | MonMotha: | ledhed: and what did it say? |
| [07:04:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: of course nit |
| [07:04:00] | mchou: | not* |
| [07:04:00] | ledhed: | chgrp squid access.log -> -bash: chgrp: command not found |
| [07:05:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: is there a reason to manually specify the tuner if it detects it correctly? |
| [07:05:00] | MonMotha: | QuickSetup seems to imply that you should |
| [07:05:00] | miketiger: | ledhed, /bin/chgrp |
| [07:05:00] | MonMotha: | (whcih makes little sense) |
| [07:05:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: no. |
| [07:06:00] | ledhed: | nope no /bin/chgrp |
| [07:06:00] | didj: | ledhed: you could do 'chown user.group files', if they all belong to the same user |
| [07:07:00] | miketiger: | i believe its part of coreutils, make sure you have that installed, i dont see why you wouldnt though.. |
| [07:07:00] | MonMotha: | ivtvctl -R returns what "frequency" the tuner is set to. Is this in a tuner specific format? Because 980 makes no sense for TV channel 3 at 61.25MHz |
| [07:07:00] | ledhed: | didj, Thanks, That did the trick..... |
| [07:08:00] | mchou: | that's why you use ptune.pl. |
| [07:08:00] | Chutt: | blah |
| [07:08:00] | Chutt: | readerware segfaults on my new box :( |
| [07:08:00] | mchou: | Chutt: haha! |
| [07:09:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: yes, let me MANUALLY INSTALL A PERL MODULE so that'll work...just a minute |
| [07:09:00] | MonMotha: | (this is why we have CPAN...grumble) |
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| [07:10:00] | BMO1: | i don't understand this |
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| [07:10:00] | BMO1: | i am trying to transcode a .nuv file to 740x480, but it just sits there at 0% |
| [07:11:00] | BMO1: | Starting ffmpeg. |
| [07:11:00] | BMO1: | processed: 0 of 0 frames (0.00%), 0.00 fps |
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| [07:17:00] | gnoob: | I think if i have time this weekend i am going get my TV card running Myth. Well, try get it running. |
| [07:18:00] | gnoob: | getting the card set up is no going to be easy for me. |
| [07:18:00] | mchou: | what a lousy way to spend 4th of July |
| [07:19:00] | gnoob: | only if i have time. I am not sure I will. |
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| [07:23:00] | ** GreyFoxx will be spending the 4th of July at his office :) ** | |
| [07:24:00] | ** Chris_McTire will be spending part of Canada Day at his office :| ** | |
| [07:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'll be spending non of Canada day at work :) I'm heading to a cabin in Cape Breton :) |
| [07:25:00] | Chris_McTire: | Show of hands, who is running the RCA sound cables out of their PVR350 into the line in of their sound card. |
| [07:25:00] | BMO1: | no one uses nuvexport? |
| [07:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | not I |
| [07:25:00] | Chris_McTire: | BMO1: I did, until I realized I couldn't get the myth cutting engine to be right on frame. Then I gave up. |
| [07:26:00] | BMO1: | processed: 0 of 0 frames (0.00%), 0.00 fps |
| [07:26:00] | BMO1: | it's been sitting there |
| [07:26:00] | Chris_McTire: | odd |
| [07:27:00] | BMO1: | have you guys used nuv2disc? |
| [07:27:00] | Chris_McTire: | nope |
| [07:28:00] | BMO1: | k |
| [07:28:00] | MonMotha: | ptune.pl -c 3 claims to tune the device to channel 3 correctly |
| [07:28:00] | MonMotha: | <MonMotha> ivtvctl -R reports '980', whcih is that ptune.pl gives |
| [07:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | BMO1: Me either |
| [07:28:00] | MonMotha: | I still get static, though changing channels does give different static (channel 7 actually seems to be hitting something that quiets the audio) |
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| [07:39:00] | Chris_McTire: | Show of hands, who is running the RCA sound cables out of their PVR350 into the line in of their sound card. |
| [07:40:00] | BMO1: | Chris_McTire: try the forum, i got some helkp there |
| [07:40:00] | BMO1: | help |
| [07:40:00] | BMO1: | mythtvtalk forums |
| [07:40:00] | Chris_McTire: | BMO: I'm just curious how common it is. |
| [07:41:00] | Chris_McTire: | BMO: Aside from mplayer's limitation I don't know why you'd bother. |
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| [07:42:00] | Chris_McTire: | But thanks |
| [07:42:00] | BMO1: | oh i thought u were having a prob |
| [07:42:00] | Chris_McTire: | no, I'm just curious why you'd do it. |
| [07:43:00] | BMO1: | k |
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| [07:51:00] | Chris_McTire: | later people |
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| [08:03:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | any nuvexport gurus here? |
| [08:04:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | I've got a bunch of 30-min shows I'd like to export to DVD.... |
| [08:05:00] | miketiger: | i get this when i try and watch live tv from a frontend Couldn't read file: rbuf://10.0.1.1:6543/video/buffer/ringbuf1.nuv |
| [08:05:00] | miketiger: | and if i try and record something, no file shows up but it is marked as recorded |
| [08:06:00] | miketiger: | the directories are 777 |
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| [08:10:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: did you see my comments earlier? ptune.pl claims to tune the card, but it's still not usable |
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| [08:23:00] | laga: | HarvesterOfBeer: yeah, and what's your problem? |
| [08:24:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | :-) |
| [08:24:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | Do I simply tell nuvexport to do shows x,y,z and pick export to a DVD? |
| [08:24:00] | miketiger: | fixed my problem, had to change the device from V4l to pvr25/350 type |
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| [08:34:00] | laga: | HarvesterOfBeer: i think so. |
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| [08:46:00] | HarvesterOfBeer: | laga: ok, I'll give that a shot. Thanks. |
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| [09:22:00] | Chutt: | http://www.mythtv.org/books/ |
| [09:22:00] | Chutt: | all updated =) |
| [09:23:00] | Peit|work: | are these books you want, or books you have? |
| [09:23:00] | Peit|work: | :) |
| [09:24:00] | Chutt: | have |
| [09:24:00] | Peit|work: | cool, how did you populate the database? |
| [09:24:00] | Chutt: | readerware |
| [09:24:00] | Chutt: | which i then export to a mysql database for that page |
| [09:24:00] | Peit|work: | readerware? |
| [09:24:00] | Chutt: | www.readerware.com |
| [09:25:00] | Peit|work: | ta |
| [09:25:00] | Chutt: | not free, though |
| [09:25:00] | Peit|work: | oh, 2 columns might be more compact on the page |
| [09:25:00] | Chutt: | too much work |
| [09:26:00] | Peit|work: | which reader do you use? |
| [09:26:00] | Chutt: | that page is generated by a very tiny script :p |
| [09:26:00] | Peit|work: | which lang? |
| [09:26:00] | Chutt: | just type things in, quicker in small numbers |
| [09:26:00] | Chutt: | php |
| [09:26:00] | Peit|work: | should be trivial to flip flop between column 1 and column2 :) |
| [09:27:00] | Peit|work: | hmm, i have too many books to catalogue |
| [09:27:00] | Peit|work: | and it's less the books, more the DVDs i'm concerned with |
| [09:28:00] | Chutt: | there's around 800 on there |
| [09:28:00] | Peit|work: | and you typed those in? now I know you're mad :) |
| [09:28:00] | Chutt: | as i buy them |
| [09:28:00] | Peit|work: | how long have you been catalogueing? |
| [09:28:00] | Chutt: | 4 years or so |
| [09:29:00] | Peit|work: | ah |
| [09:29:00] | ** Peit|work grins ** | |
| [09:29:00] | Peit|work: | bet you wouldn't want to start again from scratch though :) |
| [09:29:00] | Chutt: | naw, i would if i had a better program to handle it |
| [09:31:00] | ** Peit|work is tempted to write one ** | |
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| [09:31:00] | Peit|work: | but that involves finding a good (read semi-reliable but cheap) scanner |
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| [09:32:00] | Peit|work: | hmm 50 UKP for a USB scanner |
| [09:35:00] | mchou: | Chutt: you dont use the CueCat? |
| [09:35:00] | MonMotha: | bah, I am beginning to think the tuner on this PVR-150 is defective |
| [09:35:00] | mchou: | or other bar code scanner? |
| [09:36:00] | MonMotha: | it claims to tune, but certainly doesn't work |
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| [09:37:00] | mchou: | MonMotha: stick it into a windows machine and check :) |
| [09:37:00] | Chutt: | i have a cuecat |
| [09:37:00] | Chutt: | took too long to scan things, since the isbn was generally on the inside cover of a paperback |
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| [09:38:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: I don't have a windows machine...at least not one running anything recent |
| [09:38:00] | MonMotha: | other than my laptop, which lacks a PCI slot... |
| [09:39:00] | MonMotha: | I guess I could got install 2k on this PII |
| [09:39:00] | MonMotha: | I don't even have an XP disc... |
| [09:39:00] | mchou: | 2k should work. |
| [09:39:00] | MonMotha: | yeah, but it's only a 300MHz P2 |
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| [09:39:00] | MonMotha: | should be fast enough to see if it works I guess |
| [09:41:00] | mchou: | aw crap, looks like I need to upgrade my kernel. |
| [09:42:00] | MonMotha: | mchou: what kernel are you currently using? |
| [09:42:00] | mchou: | 2.6.11 |
| [09:43:00] | MonMotha: | ok, I'm on 2.6.12, which I presume you're upgrading to. Let me know if everything still works (I presume it will) |
| [09:44:00] | MonMotha: | I guess I'll go install Win2k on this thing |
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| [10:50:00] | iznogood: | Has mythtv no mouse-functions? |
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| [10:58:00] | MonMotha: | pretty much none, yeah |
| [10:58:00] | MonMotha: | about the only real mouse function it has is the ability to hide the pointer |
| [10:59:00] | iznogood: | :) |
| [10:59:00] | iznogood: | A second question, which I don't seem te find in the doc's |
| [11:00:00] | iznogood: | If I start mythfrontend as root user, mythtv starts, but when trying as a normal user it asks me which passwd and user I wish to use |
| [11:00:00] | iznogood: | but I can't seem the place, to define users, and/or what the default user is |
| [11:01:00] | MonMotha: | they're mysql users |
| [11:02:00] | iznogood: | should I define them manually in mysql? |
| [11:05:00] | Peit|work: | you need so re-read the manual, specifically where it talks about granting remote access to mysql |
| [11:06:00] | iznogood: | which manual? |
| [11:07:00] | iznogood: | A I see now. |
| [11:08:00] | iznogood: | Might be a nice improvement to myth-setup to be able to add users. |
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| [11:28:00] | slePP: | the pvr-350 output is way cleaner than the radeon 9200's |
| [11:40:00] | MonMotha: | iznogood: that would require that mythtv have "root" access to the MySQL server, which it usually does not |
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| [11:40:00] | Peit|work: | MonMotha, not really, |
| [11:41:00] | Peit|work: | it requires that the user that mythsetup is loggining into mysql with has GRANT privileges. |
| [11:41:00] | MonMotha: | to add a user to MySQL? Either that or the user MySQL is running as would have to have global GRANT |
| [11:41:00] | Peit|work: | :) |
| [11:41:00] | MonMotha: | my MythTV user is remarkably non-privilaged |
| [11:41:00] | Peit|work: | indeed |
| [11:41:00] | MonMotha: | but I do other stuff with my MySQL DB |
| [11:41:00] | tenletSlack10: | peit: do you know a lot about the installation process of mythTV for linux |
| [11:41:00] | Peit|work: | i don't know why the docs don't suggest a class-C wild-card |
| [11:42:00] | tenletSlack10: | i have it installed i think but not sure how to get it to run |
| [11:42:00] | Peit|work: | (which would be a sensible default for a home network) |
| [11:43:00] | Peit|work: | tenletSlack10, check the manual, :) |
| [11:43:00] | tenletSlack10: | this is my directory |
| [11:43:00] | tenletSlack10: | AUTHORS Makefile config.h configfiles/ database/ i18n/ mythtv.pro setup/ |
| [11:43:00] | tenletSlack10: | COPYING README config.log configure* docs/ keys.txt programs/ themes/ |
| [11:43:00] | tenletSlack10: | FAQ UPGRADING config.mak contrib/ filters/ libs/ settings.pro |
| [11:43:00] | tenletSlack10: | do i goto the setup folder to continue the setup |
| [11:43:00] | iznogood: | I don't use MySQL that much, but with PostgreSQL it is possible to give a user GRANT permission, and user-add permission on a give database |
| [11:43:00] | Peit|work: | tenletSlack10, no, i suggest you go back to the manual and re-read the section on installing and seting up :) |
| [11:43:00] | tenletSlack10: | i did |
| [11:44:00] | tenletSlack10: | extremely vague for slack |
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| [11:44:00] | tenletSlack10: | just help me out here |
| [11:44:00] | iznogood: | A second option would be, to do the authentication after db login, e.g. let the backend log into the db, and have a table with remote users |
| [11:44:00] | MonMotha: | Peit|work: heh, my home network is far from sensible :) |
| [11:44:00] | MonMotha: | I have friggin dynamic DNS set up on my DHCP server |
| [11:44:00] | Peit|work: | iznogood, possibly, but why, it only needs to readand write the same setup |
| [11:44:00] | MonMotha: | I just wish I could get my ISP to route me off a subnet so I wouldn't have to do NAT |
| [11:44:00] | tenletSlack10: | anyone using slack |
| [11:45:00] | iznogood: | Yes, that is actually the reason |
| [11:45:00] | Peit|work: | MonMotha, yes, but you're probably distributing IPs in a Class C? (private probably), |
| [11:45:00] | iznogood: | I want to be able to use usermanagement |
| [11:45:00] | MonMotha: | Peit|work: no, actually a /23 |
| [11:45:00] | MonMotha: | I use the first /24 (class C) for statics and the second /24 for dynamics |
| [11:45:00] | iznogood: | without having to add/delete mysql users, i.e. in an easy way |
| [11:45:00] | Peit|work: | tenletSlack10, have you followed http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.4 |
| [11:45:00] | MonMotha: | site local range unfortunately, yes |
| [11:45:00] | MonMotha: | damn ISP won't route me off a subnet |
| [11:46:00] | MonMotha: | I only wanted a /28 |
| [11:46:00] | Peit|work: | MonMotha, well, you have enough clue to edit it your self :) but most home dsl routers would give out a class C size (or less) on the private interface, so X.X.X.% would be fine for perms |
| [11:47:00] | Peit|work: | iznogood, tbh, i don't think any end should be talking SQL, but that's a personal opinion, it will probably come up in a later protocol revision i assume |
| [11:47:00] | MonMotha: | indeed |
| [11:47:00] | iznogood: | That's also true |
| [11:48:00] | tenletSlack10: | peit, like i said, it's very vague for slack, so if you know what to do here id appreciate a quick cmd line |
| [11:48:00] | MonMotha: | I'm somewhat of a networking guru (I actually just had a CCNA ask me for help subnetting :) |
| [11:49:00] | Peit|work: | tenletSlack10, there's no difference, you're installing from source i believe |
| [11:50:00] | Peit|work: | just do the configure, make install, and then follow the instructions for running setup |
| [11:51:00] | tenletSlack10: | i have to build LAME |
| [11:51:00] | tenletSlack10: | ? |
| [11:51:00] | Peit|work: | are you compiling from source? |
| [11:51:00] | Peit|work: | (compiling mythtv from source?) |
| [11:52:00] | Peit|work: | if so, you'll need all the pre-requisits, which, iirc includes lame |
| [11:52:00] | tenletSlack10: | well i DLed the .tar.bz2 |
| [11:52:00] | Peit|work: | from mythtv.org? |
| [11:52:00] | Peit|work: | (or a mirror) |
| [11:53:00] | tenletSlack10: | from myth |
| [11:53:00] | Peit|work: | yes, you're compiling from source, and there's no specific instructions for slackware, so you'll have to work through the manual |
| [11:53:00] | tenletSlack10: | well as of right now i did the config ,make and make install |
| [11:53:00] | tenletSlack10: | now i need to compile and build Lame? |
| [11:53:00] | Peit|work: | right |
| [11:55:00] | Peit|work: | iirc myth uses lame for some playback stuff, |
| [11:55:00] | Peit|work: | you may need to install lame, and then reconfig, build and install mythtv |
| [11:55:00] | tenletSlack10: | do i need anything else than lame |
| [11:56:00] | Peit|work: | why don't you read the manual, it tells you what you need |
| [11:57:00] | Peit|work: | i don't have time to re-read the manual to find out for you |
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| [13:07:00] | Tommck_: | so... anyone in here use nuvexport? I downloaded it and looked at the "Documentation" link and that only has information on the --debug flag... I don't have ffmpeg installed, but it doesn't tell me what version. will any version do? |
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| [13:16:00] | Shorty`: | anyone had issues with artifacts on the screen as the pc writes to disk? |
| [13:16:00] | Shorty`: | oh and my capture is too big for the screen |
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| [13:17:00] | Tommck: | Shorty` – what kind of machine? (CPU, ram) |
| [13:17:00] | Shorty`: | P4 2.6, 512MB Ram, PVR-250 |
| [13:17:00] | Tommck: | are you in a single machine setup? |
| [13:17:00] | Shorty`: | yes |
| [13:17:00] | Shorty`: | I've checked DMA, it appears to be ok |
| [13:17:00] | Tommck: | what's the PC doing "writing to disk" ? |
| [13:18:00] | Tommck: | is this a dedicated Myth box? or are other things running too? |
| [13:18:00] | Shorty`: | dedicated |
| [13:18:00] | Shorty`: | it's cachine? |
| [13:18:00] | Shorty`: | caching even |
| [13:18:00] | Shorty`: | for uh.. what's the word |
| [13:18:00] | Tommck: | how do you know it's writing to disk? recording something? |
| [13:18:00] | Shorty`: | going backwards and forwards in the stream |
| [13:18:00] | Shorty`: | uh, the disk light flashes? :> |
| [13:19:00] | Tommck: | ;) |
| [13:19:00] | Tommck: | so, you don't know what it's writing? |
| [13:19:00] | Shorty`: | nopew |
| [13:19:00] | Tommck: | you are talking about buffering (going backwards and forwards) |
| [13:19:00] | Tommck: | live TV? or recorded? |
| [13:19:00] | Shorty`: | live |
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| [13:20:00] | Tommck: | oh... well, it will be writing to disk as you watch... |
| [13:20:00] | Shorty`: | the live tv is oversized for the tv out too.. that's the next issue. |
| [13:20:00] | Tommck: | because Live TV is buffered |
| [13:20:00] | Shorty`: | I know |
| [13:20:00] | Tommck: | Shorty` – yeah... that's normal... overscan |
| [13:20:00] | Shorty`: | I'm trying to figuire out why it's causing artifacts |
| [13:20:00] | Tommck: | Shorty` – and you are definitely sure this doesn't happen while watching recorded TV? |
| [13:21:00] | Shorty`: | I've checked DMA, I swapped to the nvidia drivers |
| [13:21:00] | Shorty`: | uh, I haven't tried to be honest |
| [13:21:00] | Shorty`: | I'm only finding my feet. |
| [13:21:00] | Tommck: | well, you should probably check that too, just to make sure |
| [13:21:00] | Tommck: | HD content? |
| [13:21:00] | Shorty`: | nope. |
| [13:21:00] | Tommck: | oh.. no ... just a 250 |
| [13:21:00] | Shorty`: | SD |
| [13:21:00] | Shorty`: | *nod* |
| [13:21:00] | Tommck: | hmm. |
| [13:22:00] | Shorty`: | how would I.. "zoom out" the feed? |
| [13:22:00] | Tommck: | your processor and ram are plenty for playback.. |
| [13:22:00] | Shorty`: | I'm only seeing a 1/4 of the image as it's over zoomed to buggary |
| [13:22:00] | Tommck: | but it's not an aspect ratio thing, right? it's just the edges are cut off? |
| [13:22:00] | Tommck: | and you're watching it on a TV? |
| [13:23:00] | Tommck: | (could 1/4 be an exaggeration?) |
| [13:23:00] | Shorty`: | possibly. |
| [13:23:00] | Shorty`: | maybe.. 2/3s |
| [13:23:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [13:23:00] | Tommck: | you're on a TV, right? |
| [13:23:00] | Shorty`: | I'm missing the outer right to bottom right picture |
| [13:23:00] | Shorty`: | *nod* |
| [13:23:00] | Tommck: | you should do a search on "mythtv overscan" ... this is a really heavily covered topic |
| [13:23:00] | Shorty`: | (appologies if I'm missing something in the documentation, you can point me to it if you wish :)) |
| [13:24:00] | Shorty`: | ah, ok |
| [13:24:00] | Tommck: | but.. the basics are: |
| [13:24:00] | Tommck: | there are 2 options |
| [13:24:00] | Tommck: | 1) you can fix your GUI to fit on the screen perfectly... and then check the box that says "use GUI size for display" |
| [13:24:00] | Tommck: | 2) use the Overscan settings to adjust only the display size |
| [13:25:00] | Tommck: | these are both in the mythfrontend setup somewhere |
| [13:25:00] | Shorty`: | "somewhere" :> |
| [13:25:00] | Tommck: | I don't know where because nothing seems to be arranged logically in there :) |
| [13:25:00] | didj: | is there a "dumb" video plugin (ie, doesnt index or anything, just file browser with external play command)? |
| [13:25:00] | Tommck: | Konqueror? :) |
| [13:26:00] | laga: | Shorty`: what kind of nvidia card? |
| [13:26:00] | didj: | heh, needs to be idiotproof'ed ;P |
| [13:26:00] | Shorty`: | uhm |
| [13:26:00] | Shorty`: | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) |
| [13:26:00] | Shorty`: | that one |
| [13:27:00] | laga: | Shorty`: get the tool 'nvidia-settings' and use it to adjust the overscan. |
| [13:27:00] | Shorty`: | oh, ok |
| [13:28:00] | Shorty`: | it's installed, I'll do it now. |
| [13:28:00] | Shorty`: | thanks guys., |
| [13:30:00] | Tommck: | good to see there are at least a couple folks in here in the morning (for me) |
| [13:30:00] | Shorty`: | hahah |
| [13:30:00] | laga: | 1:30pm for me ;) |
| [13:31:00] | Shorty`: | It's 7:30 PM here |
| [13:31:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [13:31:00] | Tommck: | I know this isn't mythtv-related, but it's early and nobody on the #lvm channel is talking... anyone familiar with debuggin troubles with LVM and RAID? |
| [13:31:00] | Tommck: | hehe |
| [13:31:00] | Tommck: | it's 7:30am here :) |
| [13:32:00] | laga: | |
| [13:32:00] | laga: | school* |
| [13:33:00] | Tommck: | no nuvexport folks in here either? |
| [13:34:00] | Shorty`: | Tommck, what's the go? |
| [13:35:00] | didj: | how are commands passed to the players [mplayer/xine], does myth interpret then pipe, or do you need to configure them to use lirc independantly? |
| [13:42:00] | Tommck: | Shorty` – huh? |
| [13:42:00] | Tommck: | (sorry was saying good bye to the wife.. she's off to work) |
| [13:42:00] | Tommck: | Shorty` – what does "what's the go?" mean? |
| [13:45:00] | ** Tommck hears crickets ** | |
| [13:49:00] | Tommck: | didj – I don't know the answer to your question.. sorry. |
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| [13:56:00] | Tommck: | welcome GeckoFiend |
| [13:57:00] | GeckoFiend: | heyas |
| [13:57:00] | Tommck: | How's it hangin? |
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| [13:58:00] | GeckoFiend: | not too shabby. getting my surfing done now, today is my daughters 13th birthday so I'm going to be spending most of the day with her |
| [13:58:00] | Tommck: | that's cool |
| [13:58:00] | Tommck: | I don't envy you though... a 13 year old girl in this day and age? man... I hope you have a good solid chastity belt and a shiny gun :) |
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| [14:00:00] | GeckoFiend: | heh I always tell people that I hope she turns out to be a lesbian. I'm still young enough to remember what teenage boys are like and thats enough to make me want to lock her in a tower till she's 30 |
| [14:01:00] | Tommck: | exactly.. |
| [14:01:00] | Tommck: | Someone needs to invent offspring that is female until about the age of 10... then turns into a male :) |
| [14:01:00] | Tommck: | get the genetic engineers on that! |
| [14:06:00] | Tommck: | brb |
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| [14:07:00] | Shorty`: | overscan settings didn't fix a thing |
| [14:07:00] | Shorty`: | just made the zoomed in image smaller :> |
| [14:07:00] | iznogood: | Is there a way, to get mythtv-frontend to start automatically when the computer start? |
| [14:08:00] | iznogood: | i.e. skip over the login part? |
| [14:10:00] | Shorty`: | any ideas? |
| [14:12:00] | laga: | iznogood: search the mailing list, this has been covered multiple times iirc |
| [14:12:00] | iznogood: | ok |
| [14:12:00] | Shorty`: | laga, Turned overscan *right* down |
| [14:12:00] | Shorty`: | didn't do a thing. |
| [14:12:00] | Shorty`: | I just got a smaller version of the zoomed in picture. :) |
| [14:14:00] | vagwin: | Tommck, such an offspring exists. there is a tribe in the maericas whose children are all female until puberty, and then develop into males and females. |
| [14:14:00] | laga: | Shorty`: oh, ok. umm, does it ork correctly with mplayer? |
| [14:14:00] | laga: | work* |
| [14:14:00] | Shorty`: | not sure, I'll see |
| [14:16:00] | Tommck: | vagwin – oh really? :) |
| [14:16:00] | vagwin: | really. |
| [14:16:00] | Tommck: | vagwin – please tell me the name of this tribe :) |
| [14:16:00] | vagwin: | Tommck, just googling now. |
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| [14:24:00] | cnr0616: | I am having a problem with MYTHTV only recording Channel 4 on my PVR-150MCE card. I have followed the directions on FedoraMyth. This is a reaccuring problem, and I have fixed it before but I cannot seem to be able to find the fix now. I am using the newest IVTV testing drivers, and mythtv 0.18.1. I will be more than happy to post my modprobe.conf or any other relevant information. I can see /dev/viedo0 and it will record, but not the c |
| [14:25:00] | Tommck: | how is it attempting to change the channel? are you using the tuner? |
| [14:26:00] | cnr0616: | via mythweb, I ask it to mannualy record a show on say teh "golf channel" channel 21 |
| [14:27:00] | Tommck: | cnr0616 – what kind of TV source? OTA? Cable? Satellite? |
| [14:27:00] | cnr0616: | cable on tuner0 |
| [14:28:00] | Tommck: | can you change the channel yourself? I think there's a program called "ptune" that changes channels on the tuner |
| [14:28:00] | cnr0616: | let me try that, I'm sure I can, but I'll double check |
| [14:28:00] | vagwin: | Tommck,the Machihembras of the Dominicn Republic. |
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| [14:28:00] | Tommck: | vagwin – I'll look them up |
| [14:29:00] | Tommck: | vagwin – that's friggin nuts |
| [14:30:00] | vagwin: | Tommck, would be od. i agree. |
| [14:30:00] | cnr0616: | it does change the channel, I did /usr/lib/ivtv/ptune-ui.pl & then mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0 and I could view the golf channel or any other |
| [14:31:00] | cnr0616: | so the tuner works |
| [14:31:00] | cnr0616: | I got video |
| [14:31:00] | Tommck: | cnr0616 – can you change channels when you're watching live TV? |
| [14:31:00] | cnr0616: | it must be a mythtv problem . . . maybe in my database |
| [14:31:00] | cnr0616: | lemme try that one |
| [14:31:00] | cnr0616: | I don't belive so, but I need to verify |
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| [14:32:00] | Tommck: | well, then mythtv is setup wrong |
| [14:33:00] | cnr0616: | live tv dosen't seem to be working properly |
| [14:33:00] | Tommck: | you need to rerun mythtv-setup to make sure the card is installed properly... you might have told it to use an external channel changer or something |
| [14:33:00] | cnr0616: | I don't use live tv anyway, I just record via mythweb and view over my xbox |
| [14:34:00] | Camisa: | Can MythTV "fine tune"...? I don't think my cable-tv provider used the precise same frequency map for US Cable as ptune.pl is using. |
| [14:34:00] | cnr0616: | it's setup to use the PVR-250/350 |
| [14:34:00] | Tommck: | cnr0616 – but in the setup, it has settings for how to tune the channels |
| [14:36:00] | cnr0616: | channel frequeny table = us-cable |
| [14:36:00] | Tommck: | cnr0616 – any external channel changer set? |
| [14:36:00] | Tommck: | brb – work phone call... |
| [14:37:00] | cnr0616: | tommck – no worries, there is no external channel changer set |
| [14:42:00] | cnr0616: | tommck – the channel frequecy was set to "default" elsewhere in mythtv setup |
| [14:43:00] | cnr0616: | now everything works fine |
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| [14:47:00] | cnr0616: | the frequency must be set in mythtvsetup in two places. General & Video Source. I had general set to us-cable and video source (zap2it) to "default", when I changed "default" to us-cable I could then record any channel. otherwise mythtv acted as though it was stuck on channel 4. I hope this can help any other users with a similar problem. |
| [14:47:00] | cnr0616: | tommck – thank you for your help |
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| [14:48:00] | Tommck: | np |
| [14:49:00] | Camisa: | Do you guys set environment variables for your tuner? |
| [14:49:00] | Camisa: | so that ptune.pl and record-v4l2.pl see it too? |
| [14:54:00] | Peit|work: | Shorty`, check your X resolutions :) |
| [15:00:00] | Camisa: | Does anybody elses liveTV show about 1 or 2 pixes of green on the left side and sometimes red/blue for about 1 or 2 pixels on the right side? |
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| [15:10:00] | cnr0616: | I am having trouble with nuvexport on my Fedora Core 3 box. I download the latest tarball from forevermore.net. I unzipped the file and changed the directory to /nuvexport, then I ran ./nuvexport |
| [15:11:00] | cnr0616: | at this point it had all the options disabled so I downloaded xvidcore and mjpegtools, now they are enabled and ready to go |
| [15:12:00] | cnr0616: | when I try to export to DVD or any other format it will not encode at any fps. It stays on 0.00 fps until it is done doing nothing? |
| [15:12:00] | cnr0616: | any ideas? |
| [15:13:00] | cnr0616: | processed 0 out of 12373 frames 0.00% |
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| [15:15:00] | Christ0pher: | cnr0616: isn't that nuvexport software from 2003? |
| [15:15:00] | cnr0616: | I don't think so |
| [15:16:00] | cnr0616: | is there a better way to export to DVD from mythtv? |
| [15:16:00] | Christ0pher: | DVD...? |
| [15:16:00] | Christ0pher: | nuv format you mean right? |
| [15:17:00] | Christ0pher: | nm |
| [15:17:00] | cnr0616: | export nuv to dvd/mpeg |
| [15:17:00] | Christ0pher: | which? DVD or mpeg? does it have to be mpeg, mpeg2 or mpeg4? |
| [15:17:00] | Christ0pher: | I'm trying to get xvid to do my compression. |
| [15:17:00] | cnr0616: | well DVD's are MPEG2 |
| [15:18:00] | Christ0pher: | if you do "mplayer xyz.nuv" |
| [15:18:00] | Christ0pher: | does it show the stream as mpeg2? |
| [15:18:00] | cnr0616: | see if I compressed to XVid I would have to re-encode to MPEG2 for DVD |
| [15:18:00] | cnr0616: | I dunno lemme check |
| [15:19:00] | cnr0616: | yep yep says mpeg2 |
| [15:19:00] | cnr0616: | well why was I using nuvexport? |
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| [15:19:00] | cnr0616: | oh to cut commericals |
| [15:20:00] | cnr0616: | anything out there that will cut commericals other than nuvexport? |
| [15:23:00] | Christ0pher: | cnr0616: I don't know. |
| [15:24:00] | cnr0616: | me either |
| [15:24:00] | Christ0pher: | Usually a commercial is flagged, and if the tuner was intelligent enough, it should discover it. |
| [15:24:00] | Christ0pher: | What bitrate did mplayer say your video is? |
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| [15:29:00] | cnr0616: | 3 |
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| [15:30:00] | cnr0616: | 6000 kpbs? |
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| [15:37:00] | Christ0pher: | cnr0616 I have seen mpeg come in on mine at up to 1150kbps and mpeg2 come in at about 1850kbps... |
| [15:38:00] | Christ0pher: | cnr0616 but to the driver I specify bitrate=14500000 and bitrate_peak=16000000 |
| [15:39:00] | Christ0pher: | cnr0616 I just learned today I can set environment variables which mythtv uses for tuning and encoding :) |
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| [15:41:00] | Tommck: | is there anything that will export NUV files to DVD and use the commercials as chapters? |
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| [15:45:00] | Christ0pher: | commercials are usually identified by black keyframes... |
| [15:45:00] | Christ0pher: | Tommck is the auto commercial system working for you??? |
| [15:45:00] | Tommck: | Christ0pher – mostly, yes |
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| [15:46:00] | Tommck: | Christ0pher – on normal shows, it works pretty well... on shows that do a lot of weird effects (fade-ins, fade-outs), it detects a lot of extra "commercials" |
| [15:46:00] | Tommck: | and sometimes it doesn't detect all of them.. |
| [15:48:00] | Tommck: | but I just have it set to tell me about them... I don't let it auto-skip |
| [15:49:00] | Tommck: | so... can someone tell me what nuvexport does? The documentation basically doesn't exist. |
| [15:50:00] | Tommck: | what features does it have? |
| [15:50:00] | Christ0pher: | Tommck, you know it's really tough, but I think the tuner knows when the commercials start and stop |
| [15:50:00] | Tommck: | Christ0pher – nothing announces when they start, as far as I know... I could be wrong though |
| [15:52:00] | Christ0pher: | Tommck: just like you have I-Frames P-Frames & B-Frames, to signal video data; you have the extra data singals like the closed captioning and SAP etc which identify the feaatures of the video you're showing... so it's in the analog stream... the signal knows the difference. |
| [15:52:00] | Tommck: | Christ0pher – you're over my head... I don't know what I-Frames, P-Frames or B-Frames are |
| [15:53:00] | Tommck: | Christ0pher – does that actually say "hey.... commercial here" ? |
| [15:53:00] | Christ0pher: | Tommck: I think so. |
| [15:53:00] | Christ0pher: | If I can record what it looks like I'll send it to you. |
| [15:54:00] | Tommck: | if that data is there, why wouldn't it be the only thing used for commercial detection? |
| [15:54:00] | Tommck: | oh... what about for people like me who use s-video? |
| [15:54:00] | Christ0pher: | doesn't work for that. |
| [15:54:00] | Christ0pher: | that's precisely the discussion. |
| [15:54:00] | cnr0616: | does anyone have nuvexport working on a fedora core 3 box? |
| [15:54:00] | Tommck: | heh... that's why... ok |
| [15:54:00] | Christ0pher: | It does from the tuner module to the encoder... so it's the job of the tuner module... and it's cable-tv tuning that does it. |
| [15:55:00] | Tommck: | Christ0pher – ah... I'm on satellite TV... |
| [15:57:00] | cnr0616: | tommck – what do you use to export your recorded shows? |
| [15:57:00] | Tommck: | cnr0616 – I don't yet... but I have to figure it out. |
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| [15:58:00] | Tommck: | I promised my cousin (who just left for Iraq last week) I would mail him his favorite shows on DVD |
| [15:58:00] | cnr0616: | tommck – LOL what os are you using? |
| [15:58:00] | Tommck: | cnr0616 – SuSE |
| [15:58:00] | Tommck: | 9.1 |
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| [15:58:00] | cnr0616: | tommck – I SWEAR I had nuvexport working in fedora, now I can't remember how I did it. I don't think you'll have any trouble setting it up in SuSE. |
| [15:59:00] | Tommck: | well, I don't have ffmpeg installed |
| [15:59:00] | Tommck: | and it doesn't even talk about versions, so I assume any will do? |
| [15:59:00] | cnr0616: | the newer the better . . . . most of the time |
| [16:00:00] | Tommck: | yeah... I got latest... gonna install it later. |
| [16:00:00] | Tommck: | what does it do though? what other features ? |
| [16:00:00] | cnr0616: | what ffmpeg or nuvexport |
| [16:00:00] | Tommck: | besides "exports nuvs" ? |
| [16:00:00] | Tommck: | nuvexport |
| [16:01:00] | cnr0616: | that's it, it exports from the NUV format to XVID, DIVX, DVD, VCD but it uses the cutlist |
| [16:01:00] | Tommck: | cutlist? |
| [16:01:00] | Tommck: | damn... never learned anything about that |
| [16:01:00] | Tommck: | what's that do? |
| [16:01:00] | cnr0616: | so it will cut out the commericals assuming you have a cutlist and encode to the format you want |
| [16:01:00] | ** Tommck waits for the big hand of RTFM to slap him ** | |
| [16:01:00] | Tommck: | so... the cutlist is the output of commercial flagging? |
| [16:02:00] | cnr0616: | excatly |
| [16:02:00] | cnr0616: | you have to view the recording |
| [16:02:00] | Tommck: | but... I don't trust it.. sometimes it's wrong |
| [16:02:00] | Tommck: | how do I fix that? |
| [16:02:00] | cnr0616: | then hit "e" for edit, then "z" for cutlist |
| [16:02:00] | cnr0616: | you can manually change it |
| [16:02:00] | Tommck: | whoa.. ok... new territory for me :) |
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| [16:02:00] | Tommck: | is it simple to do? |
| [16:02:00] | cnr0616: | my computer isn't fast enough to do it |
| [16:02:00] | cnr0616: | yeah |
| [16:02:00] | cnr0616: | it's not so bad |
| [16:03:00] | Tommck: | my front end is a 3.2GHz and my backend is a 2.4GHz |
| [16:03:00] | Tommck: | (backend is also a frontend) |
| [16:03:00] | cnr0616: | my back end is a 866 Mhz |
| [16:03:00] | cnr0616: | and my frontend is my XBOX |
| [16:03:00] | cnr0616: | pimpin' aint' easy |
| [16:03:00] | Tommck: | ahh. |
| [16:04:00] | Tommck: | cnr0616 – how's the XBox work for you? |
| [16:04:00] | cnr0616: | it is the single greatest object in my posession |
| [16:04:00] | cnr0616: | I use it for EVERYTHING |
| [16:04:00] | Tommck: | cnr0616 – I have one... but you have one dedicated to Myth? |
| [16:05:00] | cnr0616: | no |
| [16:05:00] | ** Tommck doesn't really know much about Myth on the XBox except it exists ** | |
| [16:05:00] | cnr0616: | I just share the video folder over smb |
| [16:05:00] | Tommck: | how do you switch back and forth? |
| [16:05:00] | cnr0616: | and use xboxmediaplayer to view |
| [16:05:00] | Tommck: | oh... |
| [16:05:00] | cnr0616: | yeah, it's not actually a "Frontend" |
| [16:05:00] | Tommck: | umm... where's xboxmediaplayer come from? |
| [16:05:00] | Tommck: | built-in? |
| [16:05:00] | cnr0616: | it can be used as one |
| [16:05:00] | cnr0616: | naw |
| [16:05:00] | cnr0616: | you have to modify your xbox |
| [16:05:00] | Tommck: | ahh.. ok |
| [16:05:00] | cnr0616: | unleash the power |
| [16:06:00] | cnr0616: | for example |
| [16:06:00] | cnr0616: | I have a 300GB HD in my box |
| [16:06:00] | cnr0616: | all my games are stored on the HD so I don't have to use the DISC |
| [16:06:00] | cnr0616: | you could "I don't" copy rented games, or even downloaded games here |
| [16:07:00] | cnr0616: | I do have a NES emulator and 700 NES games which I play all the time |
| [16:07:00] | cnr0616: | on the xbox |
| [16:07:00] | cnr0616: | just like old times |
| [16:07:00] | Tommck: | right |
| [16:07:00] | cnr0616: | also xbox media player plays avi's, quicktime, etc off my computer |
| [16:07:00] | cnr0616: | so my divx movies |
| [16:07:00] | Tommck: | cool |
| [16:07:00] | cnr0616: | I play them off my computer HD or even off the computer CD-Rom where I have some archived on CD |
| [16:07:00] | cnr0616: | yeah, no doubt |
| [16:07:00] | Tommck: | what about VOBs? |
| [16:08:00] | Christ0pher: | cnr0616: what hardware version of the xbox did you use? 1.6? |
| [16:08:00] | cnr0616: | on yeah, sure, DVD is np |
| [16:08:00] | cnr0616: | yeah I have a 1.6 |
| [16:08:00] | cnr0616: | Xecuter3 Pro, with the XLCD |
| [16:08:00] | cnr0616: | pimped out |
| [16:08:00] | cnr0616: | 4 sure |
| [16:08:00] | Tommck: | mine must be a lot lower... had one for a long time |
| [16:08:00] | cnr0616: | it dosen't matter |
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| [16:08:00] | cnr0616: | I used to have a 1.1 |
| [16:08:00] | cnr0616: | then a 1.4 |
| [16:08:00] | cnr0616: | now a 1.6 |
| [16:08:00] | cnr0616: | the X3 works with all of them |
| [16:09:00] | Tommck: | cnr0616 – why so many? |
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| [16:09:00] | cnr0616: | well the 1.0 not the 1.1 I messed up soldering the motherboard, that was back in the day |
| [16:09:00] | Tommck: | ahh |
| [16:09:00] | cnr0616: | then the 1.4 I sold to my brother |
| [16:09:00] | cnr0616: | so then I bought a new one |
| [16:09:00] | ** Tommck has never soldered anything ** | |
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| [16:09:00] | cnr0616: | you don't have to anymore |
| [16:10:00] | Tommck: | cnr0616 – oh? |
| [16:10:00] | cnr0616: | in the "old days" you had to solder 29 wires, that was using the Enighma chip |
| [16:10:00] | Tommck: | wow |
| [16:10:00] | cnr0616: | now all the modchips come with an adapter |
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| [16:11:00] | cnr0616: | modifying your xbox isn't illegal |
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| [16:11:00] | Tommck: | cnr0616 – what country are you in? |
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| [16:11:00] | cnr0616: | USA |
| [16:11:00] | Tommck: | DMCA? |
| [16:11:00] | Tommck: | getting around encryption? |
| [16:12:00] | cnr0616: | pirateing games is illegal, but simply modifying your xbox is your property, you can do with it what you like |
| [16:12:00] | Tommck: | bypassing a security device is illegal |
| [16:12:00] | cnr0616: | I've run linux on it |
| [16:12:00] | cnr0616: | it sucked |
| [16:12:00] | Tommck: | cnr0616 – not true |
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| [16:12:00] | Tommck: | the DMCA makes it illegal to bypass security on any device |
| [16:12:00] | cnr0616: | bypassing what security device? |
| [16:12:00] | Tommck: | that's why DeCSS is illegal |
| [16:13:00] | cnr0616: | what device are you talking about? |
| [16:13:00] | cnr0616: | you mean the bios? |
| [16:13:00] | Tommck: | don't you have to bypass XBox's security to install Linux? |
| [16:13:00] | Christ0pher: | Tommck: The DCMA youmean? |
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| [16:13:00] | Tommck: | the modchip bypasses the restriction of playing only DVDs and XBox games |
| [16:14:00] | Tommck: | Christ0pher – yeah |
| [16:14:00] | jonK: | tomm, only for the purpose of extracting copyrighted mateiral |
| [16:14:00] | jonK: | it's not as simple as you're trying to make it |
| [16:14:00] | Christ0pher: | Tommck: you don't "license" the hardware... you buy it... just like a slave. Right or wrong, what you do with it is your responsibility. |
| [16:14:00] | Tommck: | jonK – and storing his games on the hard drive isn't? |
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| [16:15:00] | Tommck: | Christ0pher – it's illegal in the US to buy a semi-automatic weapon and then convert it to a fully automatic... |
| [16:15:00] | jonK: | whether it is or is not, is not a DCMA question |
| [16:15:00] | Tommck: | it's still your property, but you're not allowed to modify it |
| [16:15:00] | jonK: | makeing copies of the games and storing them anywhere |
| [16:15:00] | jonK: | couple be copyright infringment |
| [16:15:00] | cnr0616: | see it's about poession. it's my xbox, I own it, I can do with it what I like. they are my games, I bought them, I can store them on my HD, BUT I cannot sell them or give them away. LEgal backups, plus it's just more convienat to play off the HD |
| [16:15:00] | Christ0pher: | for the record, you don't sell it. |
| [16:15:00] | cnr0616: | correct |
| [16:15:00] | cnr0616: | that woudl be illegal |
| [16:15:00] | Tommck: | cnr0616 – it's illegal to backup your DVDs if you decrypt them to do it |
| [16:16:00] | cfreeze: | Is the svn server up? I'm getting timeouts trying to get to trac. |
| [16:16:00] | jonK: | currently there is no such thing as "legal bakup" in the copyright law |
| [16:16:00] | jonK: | it's down |
| [16:16:00] | cnr0616: | is there an illegal backup? |
| [16:16:00] | jonK: | sure |
| [16:16:00] | cnr0616: | didn't think so |
| [16:16:00] | jonK: | it's called a copy |
| [16:16:00] | Tommck: | cnr0616 – yah |
| [16:16:00] | Chacabaou: | cfreeze: BTW...svn. I'm new to it and just wondered if it's normal that it freezes whenever I try to stop it with Ctrl-C? |
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| [16:16:00] | Tommck: | that's why there is such a stink about it... we used to have the legal right to back up our video however we want, now we can't |
| [16:16:00] | jonK: | making copies of a protected work is infringment, unelss it is determined to be "fair use" under section 106 |
| [16:16:00] | jonK: | i had to ctl z and kill the process |
| [16:16:00] | cfreeze: | Chacabaou: sometimes, I usually ctrl-z it and kill it |
| [16:17:00] | jonK: | no tomm, you didn't it's just pragmatically no one cared |
| [16:17:00] | Tommck: | hehe.. anyway... too much discussion about this topic.. |
| [16:17:00] | jonK: | if you did |
| [16:17:00] | cnr0616: | roger that |
| [16:17:00] | cnr0616: | I gotta head to work |
| [16:17:00] | jonK: | and the means for mass digital distribution of your copies |
| [16:17:00] | cnr0616: | see you fellas later |
| [16:17:00] | cnr0616: | thanks for the help tommck |
| [16:17:00] | jonK: | did not exist |
| [16:17:00] | cfreeze: | jonK: do you know when it will be back up? |
| [16:17:00] | cnr0616: | www.xbox-linux.org |
| [16:17:00] | jonK: | i have no idea |
| [16:18:00] | jonK: | just figured it was down, and that you're having same problem comfirmed it |
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| [16:18:00] | Chacabaou: | cfreeze: I even cannot kill it normally...only with signal 9. |
| [16:18:00] | Tommck: | anyway... I have to figure out the best way to drop multiple episodes of a show on a DVD with a nice navigation |
| [16:18:00] | jonK: | I used ctl-z |
| [16:18:00] | cfreeze: | Chacabaou: that's normal too |
| [16:18:00] | Christ0pher: | Tommck: use nero :) or k3b |
| [16:18:00] | jonK: | and hten killed the process |
| [16:18:00] | Chacabaou: | cfreeze: But that...kinda sucks, doesn't it? ;) |
| [16:18:00] | cfreeze: | Chacabaou: kill -9 `pidof svn` |
| [16:18:00] | Tommck: | Christ0pher – but I need to have nicely edited menus and chapters |
| [16:19:00] | cfreeze: | Chacabaou: just a fact of life. I use it at work under win32 and have the same problems sometimes |
| [16:19:00] | Chacabaou: | cfreeze: Hopefully it isn't intentional... I thought, subversion was somehow stable. |
| [16:19:00] | Christ0pher: | Tommck: you create the dvd project whith whatever graphics you create for it... and have an api in nero to do it.. i think k3b has a dvd project api tooll.... and I know adobe has one call encore... it's about 3gig |
| [16:19:00] | cfreeze: | Chacabaou: it is, but you may catch it on an IO operation |
| [16:20:00] | cfreeze: | if you were patient the syscall would eventually timeout |
| [16:20:00] | Tommck: | Christ0pher – yeah, but how to I set up the chapters? I was hoping to have chapters at commercial breaks and maybe one per episode break. |
| [16:20:00] | Chacabaou: | cfreeze: I was patient (maybe it just needed to complete the current file, or sth. like that)...but five minutes are enough, IMHO. |
| [16:21:00] | cfreeze: | Chacabaou: do an strace on it and see what call it's hanging on, my guess is a select() call |
| [16:21:00] | defaultro: | hey Tommck |
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| [16:21:00] | Christ0pher: | Tommck: if you find an automatic method for that good luck. It's gonna be a manual process. |
| [16:22:00] | Tommck: | hey defaultro |
| [16:22:00] | defaultro: | hey guys, I pulled the trunk version of mythtv. Is it the bleeding unstable version? |
| [16:22:00] | Tommck: | Christ0pher – yeah, but I'm trying to find ANY method that will work well |
| [16:22:00] | cfreeze: | defaultro: when did you pull it? |
| [16:22:00] | defaultro: | about 7 hours ago |
| [16:22:00] | Tommck: | brb... gotta get some coffee |
| [16:23:00] | defaultro: | make went well w/o issues |
| [16:23:00] | cfreeze: | defaultro: ah...hoped the server was back up |
| [16:23:00] | defaultro: | what happened? |
| [16:23:00] | cfreeze: | defaultro: it's down right now |
| [16:23:00] | defaultro: | oh |
| [16:23:00] | Christ0pher: | Tommck: try the old standby... patience, pizza, coffee & cigarettes. |
| [16:23:00] | defaultro: | the reason i ask, i don't know if i should overwrite my 0.18–1 |
| [16:23:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [16:24:00] | defaultro: | i actually patched it with subtitles |
| [16:24:00] | Beirdo: | ahhh, day off... goood |
| [16:24:00] | defaultro: | hey Beirdo, good morning |
| [16:25:00] | Beirdo: | hey :) |
| [16:25:00] | ** Beirdo has been up for 3h already :) ** | |
| [16:25:00] | Beirdo: | on a holiday |
| [16:25:00] | Beirdo: | and WOW, the TV is on ;) |
| [16:25:00] | Beirdo: | Law & Order right now |
| [16:25:00] | defaultro: | cool |
| [16:25:00] | defaultro: | do you use trunk svn of mythtv? |
| [16:26:00] | Beirdo: | this makes 4 times it's been on in a month |
| [16:26:00] | Beirdo: | not yet |
| [16:26:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [16:26:00] | Beirdo: | running the last CVS version, haven't taken the time to switch yet |
| [16:26:00] | defaultro: | coz i would like to know from someone how unstable it is |
| [16:26:00] | defaultro: | it's the first time i'm going to use it |
| [16:27:00] | Beirdo: | I can't believe how little caffeine my body wants now |
| [16:27:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:27:00] | jonK: | after? |
| [16:27:00] | Beirdo: | I had too much yesterday... one half-decaf venti latte |
| [16:27:00] | Beirdo: | I used to have like 4 of those in a day, with full caffeine |
| [16:27:00] | jonK: | i try not to have any... |
| [16:27:00] | defaultro: | :D |
| [16:28:00] | Beirdo: | I've been cutting way down |
| [16:28:00] | jonK: | i'm freaking hyper enough without it |
| [16:28:00] | Beirdo: | I took a caffeine pill so I didn't have to go get coffee this morning. stupid withdrawl after yesterday |
| [16:29:00] | jonK: | i always just go full decaf |
| [16:29:00] | Beirdo: | I'll be doing that soon |
| [16:29:00] | Beirdo: | I love coffee |
| [16:29:00] | jonK: | any thoughts on the svn server? |
| [16:29:00] | Beirdo: | but I don't really want the buzz anymore |
| [16:29:00] | Beirdo: | what about it? |
| [16:30:00] | jonK: | it's down |
| [16:30:00] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [16:30:00] | Beirdo: | guess you'll have to wait for Chutt to get to it |
| [16:30:00] | jonK: | and.. on mythtv for frontend and backend compiled from svn source... |
| [16:31:00] | jonK: | why would i be getting protocol mismatch version errors? |
| [16:31:00] | jonK: | could it be the plugins? |
| [16:31:00] | Beirdo: | because you have a protocol mismatch, maybe? |
| [16:31:00] | Beirdo: | you need to be running the same version on all... |
| [16:32:00] | Tommck: | when I'm installing ffmpeg, do I care about any of the options? or do I just take what ./configure gives me? |
| [16:33:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno what you want |
| [16:33:00] | Tommck: | I figured that was gonna happen. |
| [16:33:00] | Beirdo: | and ask the ffmpeg people, maybe (if they are in) |
| [16:33:00] | Beirdo: | probably going with defaults ain't bad |
| [16:33:00] | Tommck: | hehe.. ok.. I just figured that there are a bunch of nuvexport users here... that's what I'm trying to get working |
| [16:33:00] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [16:33:00] | Tommck: | yeah.. I guess I could always change it if I have issues |
| [16:34:00] | Tommck: | sorry... shoulda said that first |
| [16:34:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, try something, and add stuff if you need (and recompile) |
| [16:34:00] | Beirdo: | I assume Gentoo? |
| [16:34:00] | Tommck: | yeah... does |
| [16:34:00] | Tommck: | no... SuSE |
| [16:34:00] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [16:34:00] | Tommck: | guess I could've hunted down an RPM |
| [16:35:00] | Beirdo: | some of the Gentoo guys might be able to tell you the "normal" configure options to use for compiling |
| [16:35:00] | Beirdo: | I use RPMs currently (FC1) |
| [16:35:00] | Beirdo: | so.. |
| [16:35:00] | Tommck: | nothing "normal" about Gentoo ;) |
| [16:35:00] | Beirdo: | sure there is |
| [16:35:00] | Tommck: | I'm just trying to get someone all fired up :) |
| [16:35:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:35:00] | Tommck: | <-- trouble maker |
| [16:36:00] | Beirdo: | I guess none of the rice-boys are awake yet |
| [16:36:00] | Tommck: | rice-boys? |
| [16:36:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:36:00] | Tommck: | do you mean Asian boys? |
| [16:36:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, you know the people that needlessly "fix" up their cars... |
| [16:36:00] | Tommck: | oh... I get it.. |
| [16:36:00] | Tommck: | a one-off derogatory Asian comment ;) |
| [16:36:00] | Beirdo: | the term was coined by an Asian.. |
| [16:37:00] | Tommck: | yeah.. I know |
| [16:37:00] | Tommck: | it's like the "N" word... |
| [16:37:00] | Beirdo: | not exactly |
| [16:37:00] | Tommck: | not really |
| [16:37:00] | Tommck: | yeah... |
| [16:37:00] | Beirdo: | there's lots of riceboys who are white, hispanic, etc |
| [16:37:00] | Tommck: | but it's OK for people to speak a derogatory name if they belong to the group |
| [16:37:00] | Tommck: | ahh. |
| [16:37:00] | Tommck: | true |
| [16:38:00] | Beirdo: | it's not a racial thing.. it actually refers to the riceboy CARS being of Japanese origin, mainly |
| [16:38:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:38:00] | Tommck: | interesting... running nuvexport for the first time |
| [16:38:00] | Tommck: | right... so it's derogatory, just not directly at the person :) |
| [16:38:00] | Beirdo: | just like the nice race bikes are rice-rockets |
| [16:38:00] | Tommck: | I call them crotch rockets myself |
| [16:38:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:39:00] | Beirdo: | donor-cycles |
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| [16:39:00] | ** Peit|work sniggers at beirdo, ** | |
| [16:39:00] | Peit|work: | i'm awake, and i heard that :P |
| [16:39:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:39:00] | Tommck: | hey... umm.. nuvexport only lets me export to .nuv? everything else is disabled? |
| [16:39:00] | Peit|work: | restart it |
| [16:39:00] | Beirdo: | Peit|work: you must admit, Gentoo has a lot of riceboy-type users |
| [16:39:00] | Peit|work: | Beirdo, sadly |
| [16:39:00] | Tommck: | Peit|work restart what? |
| [16:39:00] | Beirdo: | Tommck: try another option, it will tell you what's missing |
| [16:39:00] | Peit|work: | Beirdo, although they seem to be dropping in number |
| [16:40:00] | Tommck: | ahh.. cool |
| [16:40:00] | Beirdo: | Peit|work: thankfully |
| [16:40:00] | Beirdo: | they are going back to Windows or something |
| [16:40:00] | Beirdo: | I still think you need a Type R sticker for the Gentoo boxes |
| [16:40:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:41:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | Is there a way to change the UI of mythfrontend? for example, I want to move the "watch recordings" button out to the main screen |
| [16:41:00] | Peit|work: | nah |
| [16:41:00] | Christ0pher: | mythtv probably needs to use xvid ffmpeg and aac at least |
| [16:41:00] | Beirdo: | and a bigass can on the back |
| [16:41:00] | Peit|work: | we need a -RRR like the fireblades |
| [16:41:00] | Peit|work: | JoeyJoeJo, yes, edit the .xml |
| [16:41:00] | Christ0pher: | put it in /etc/portage/package.keywords as media-tv/mythtv ~x86 and everything else for it ~x86 too |
| [16:41:00] | Beirdo: | JoeyJoeJo: you can edit the XML for all the menus |
| [16:41:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | where is the file located? |
| [16:42:00] | Beirdo: | I think I'm gonna go watch Episode 3 this afternoon |
| [16:42:00] | Peit|work: | 'locate' it |
| [16:45:00] | jonK: | i did that wednesday night |
| [16:47:00] | ** Tommck curses at all the things he's missing to run nuvexport ** | |
| [16:48:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:49:00] | Tommck: | tcprobe, lvemux, avidemux2... |
| [16:49:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, those are needed for mpeg2cut |
| [16:49:00] | Beirdo: | tcprobe is part of transcode |
| [16:50:00] | Tommck: | I figured that, since I want to add a couple of things together into one DVD (to save space), I should just dump the MPEGS |
| [16:50:00] | Tommck: | I only have PVR and HD3000 cards, so everything should just be wrapped mpegs, right? |
| [16:50:00] | Tommck: | so, it should be faster this way? |
| [16:51:00] | Beirdo: | it might not work right with the HDTV |
| [16:51:00] | Beirdo: | I have no way of testing that |
| [16:51:00] | Tommck: | oh? nuvexport wont? or mpeg2cut? |
| [16:52:00] | Beirdo: | mpeg2cut may not |
| [16:52:00] | Tommck: | ok |
| [16:52:00] | cfreeze: | ahh..looks like it's back...thx to who ever... |
| [16:52:00] | Beirdo: | most of nuvexport should work fine |
| [16:52:00] | Beirdo: | I have a few test recordings, but mpeg2cut was mainly tested with ivtv recordings as that's what I have |
| [16:53:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – ok.. what would you suggest if I wanted to get an HD show out and edit it outside myth/nuvexport? |
| [16:53:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – so, you're asking for an HD card? :) |
| [16:53:00] | Beirdo: | try mpeg2cut |
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| [16:53:00] | Tommck: | hehe.. will do |
| [16:53:00] | Beirdo: | it might work, depending on how well avidemux likes the files |
| [16:53:00] | Tommck: | yeah... after I get that, that is :) |
| [16:54:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [16:54:00] | Beirdo: | now, what kind of editing are you looking for? |
| [16:55:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – here's what I want to do... take multiple shows (however many will fit on a DVD) and put them on a DVD with a menu and chapter breaks at commercial breaks and episodes |
| [16:55:00] | Beirdo: | OL |
| [16:55:00] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [16:55:00] | Tommck: | I assumed I'd have to do that outside this environment. |
| [16:55:00] | Tommck: | if I can get it into mpeg, some software I have for windows would work, I think |
| [16:55:00] | Beirdo: | well, mpeg2cut (if it works) would be the fastest to cut out the commercials |
| [16:55:00] | Tommck: | (*gasp* Windows!) |
| [16:55:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – cool |
| [16:55:00] | Beirdo: | and would give mpeg2ps output |
| [16:55:00] | Beirdo: | in theory |
| [16:55:00] | Tommck: | cool |
| [16:56:00] | Beirdo: | then use Windows :) |
| [16:56:00] | Beirdo: | I do that too |
| [16:56:00] | Tommck: | hehe |
| [16:56:00] | Beirdo: | TMPGEnc DVD Author |
| [16:56:00] | ** Tommck stands up and says "Hello, my name is Tom and I'm a Windows user" ** | |
| [16:56:00] | Beirdo: | master on Windows, then burn on my Linux box |
| [16:56:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo -faster on your Linux box? |
| [16:57:00] | Beirdo: | which reminds me... should setup to transcode my Monster Garage episodes so I can archive em |
| [16:57:00] | Beirdo: | well, the burner's in my fileserver |
| [16:57:00] | Tommck: | ahh. ok |
| [16:57:00] | Beirdo: | the laptop doesn't have a DVD burner |
| [16:57:00] | Tommck: | I have one on my Myth FrontEnd and on my windows box... and my myth backend, actually |
| [16:57:00] | Tommck: | oh...and my laptop ;) |
| [16:58:00] | Beirdo: | my other Windows box (for gaming) does, but I don't have the DVD authoring stuff there |
| [16:58:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:58:00] | Tommck: | and my file server's on the fritz... :( some issue with RAID (md) or LVM or something... |
| [16:58:00] | Tommck: | I think it's an underlying hardware issue... |
| [16:58:00] | Beirdo: | I have like 6 Linux boxes, 1 OpenBSD, 2 Windows, 1 Mac OSX |
| [16:58:00] | Beirdo: | and 1 Solaris that's not setup right now |
| [16:58:00] | Tommck: | I'm getting 'Buffered I/O errors in device "dm-2"'... I just have no idea what "dm-2" is :) |
| [16:58:00] | ** Beirdo is a certified geek ** | |
| [16:59:00] | Beirdo: | good thing that geeks are likable or something |
| [16:59:00] | Tommck: | 5 Linux boxen, 4 Windows desktops, 1 Linux laptop and one Windows laptop :) |
| [16:59:00] | Tommck: | hehe |
| [16:59:00] | Beirdo: | and all this is for one person |
| [16:59:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:59:00] | jonK: | device mapper? |
| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [17:00:00] | Tommck: | well.. one of those windows boxes is my wife's |
| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | dm = device mapper = LVM |
| [17:00:00] | Tommck: | jonK – yeah... so I guess it's LVM |
| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | right |
| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | well, I don't have a wife. |
| [17:00:00] | Tommck: | but I'm not sure what to do right now.. |
| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | yet |
| [17:00:00] | Tommck: | I have 2 160GB drives in RAID-1 with LVM on top |
| [17:00:00] | jonK: | maybe it's all the comptuers |
| [17:00:00] | jonK: | do you have 1/2dozen cat's to complement? |
| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | jonK: nah. it was the lack of the right person |
| [17:00:00] | Tommck: | jonK – some sort of radiation that repels women at the door? ;) |
| [17:01:00] | Beirdo: | no cats |
| [17:01:00] | jonK: | maybe you should get a few |
| [17:01:00] | ** Tommck has 2 cats ** | |
| [17:01:00] | jonK: | girls like cats |
| [17:01:00] | Beirdo: | no thanks, she's allergic |
| [17:01:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:01:00] | ** Peit|work decides not to say anything :) ** | |
| [17:01:00] | ** Tommck is allergic too :) ** | |
| [17:01:00] | Peit|work: | enjoy the weekend people:) |
| [17:01:00] | Beirdo: | you too, Peit|work |
| [17:01:00] | jonK: | Sanda Day O'Connor announced she's going to retire |
| [17:01:00] | Tommck: | bye Peit|work |
| [17:02:00] | Tommck: | jonK – interesting |
| [17:02:00] | jonK: | very |
| [17:03:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – am I gonna find any of these required libs in a standard place like SuSE's archives? |
| [17:03:00] | defaultro: | hey guys, I forgot to run "qmake mythplugins.pro" but make went fine. Is it ok? |
| [17:03:00] | Beirdo: | no idea what SuSE has |
| [17:03:00] | Beirdo: | sorry |
| [17:03:00] | jonK: | just make again? |
| [17:04:00] | jonK: | make clean, qmake... make |
| [17:04:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – ok.. more generically... are things like "transcode" supported by any distros? (I have no idea the origin of these things) |
| [17:04:00] | defaultro: | jonk, it's a fresh svn |
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| [17:04:00] | Beirdo: | many distros will have them in the repositories, yes |
| [17:04:00] | defaultro: | so what does qmake really do? |
| [17:04:00] | Beirdo: | it creates the makefile |
| [17:04:00] | Beirdo: | s |
| [17:05:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [17:05:00] | defaultro: | how come, make still went fine |
| [17:05:00] | Beirdo: | and substitutes in all the Qt stuff |
| [17:05:00] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [17:05:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo -cool.. thanks |
| [17:05:00] | defaultro: | i first ran configure though |
| [17:05:00] | Beirdo: | I'm not a Qt expert by any means |
| [17:05:00] | defaultro: | np |
| [17:06:00] | Beirdo: | oh wow, only 11am? |
| [17:06:00] | Beirdo: | why does it feel like noon? |
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| [17:06:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – cause you got up early? |
| [17:06:00] | Beirdo: | hehe, must be |
| [17:06:00] | Beirdo: | I've been doing that a lot lately |
| [17:06:00] | cyberknet: | kormoc: I forgot to bring the cards to mail#!#@ |
| [17:06:00] | Beirdo: | and today's a holiday too |
| [17:07:00] | ** Tommck hasn't been able to sleep past 6am for weeks ** | |
| [17:07:00] | cyberknet: | wow. |
| [17:07:00] | Beirdo: | I woke up at 7:35 |
| [17:07:00] | Beirdo: | the alarm's 7:45 |
| [17:07:00] | cyberknet: | if left to my own devices, I would sleep til noon. |
| [17:07:00] | cyberknet: | and beyond! |
| [17:07:00] | Tommck: | I've just got so much going on that the stress wakes me up |
| [17:07:00] | Beirdo: | and I went to sleep at 12:30 |
| [17:07:00] | defaultro: | can someone verify if this is the trunk version, 0.18.20050523–1 |
| [17:07:00] | Tommck: | unusable file server... buying a house, etc... |
| [17:07:00] | Tommck: | lotsa stuff. |
| [17:08:00] | Tommck: | zero-length recordings in mythtv |
| [17:08:00] | defaultro: | jonk, can you please check this version, 0.18.20050523–1? |
| [17:08:00] | jonK: | sure, hang on |
| [17:08:00] | jonK: | version for mythbackend? |
| [17:08:00] | defaultro: | yu |
| [17:08:00] | defaultro: | yep |
| [17:08:00] | defaultro: | i'll look at the file date too |
| [17:09:00] | ** Tommck loves that he's getting a solid 0.06kb/s from ftp.suse.com :) ** | |
| [17:09:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:09:00] | defaultro: | bam, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 664839 Jul 1 09:47 /usr/local/bin/mythbackend |
| [17:09:00] | jonK: | careful, dont let things overheat |
| [17:09:00] | defaultro: | so it's the latest ;) |
| [17:10:00] | Tommck: | ftp is so horrible on my satellite connection |
| [17:10:00] | defaultro: | mine is ok Tom |
| [17:10:00] | ** Tommck wants to kill the people in charge at Comcast for not coming to his neighborhood ** | |
| [17:10:00] | defaultro: | i'm using Motorola canopy |
| [17:10:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – what's that? |
| [17:10:00] | defaultro: | takes 30 mins to download 670mb freebsd os |
| [17:10:00] | defaultro: | iso file i mean |
| [17:10:00] | Tommck: | whoa... how much? |
| [17:10:00] | Beirdo: | so don't use FreeBSD |
| [17:11:00] | Tommck: | per month? |
| [17:11:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:11:00] | defaultro: | :D |
| [17:11:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – that's an awesome transfer rate for me |
| [17:11:00] | defaultro: | per month? what do you mean |
| [17:11:00] | Beirdo: | that is not bad transfer at all |
| [17:11:00] | Tommck: | how much does your satellite feed cost? |
| [17:11:00] | defaultro: | $39/month |
| [17:11:00] | jonK: | defaultro ... running 20050523–1 |
| [17:11:00] | Tommck: | my service (DirecWay) throttles the connection... it takes days to download ISOs here |
| [17:11:00] | defaultro: | cool jonk |
| [17:11:00] | defaultro: | ;) |
| [17:11:00] | defaultro: | oh no |
| [17:11:00] | defaultro: | that's very bad |
| [17:12:00] | Tommck: | if you use too much bandwidth, they cut you down to modem speeds |
| [17:12:00] | defaultro: | i just downloaded 2 solaris 10 x86 and sparc in 7 hours |
| [17:12:00] | defaultro: | not here |
| [17:12:00] | ** Tommck is sooooooooooooo looking into that service ** | |
| [17:12:00] | defaultro: | i have a limit though of 30gig per month |
| [17:12:00] | Tommck: | hmm... I've never looked into my total usage per month... |
| [17:12:00] | Tommck: | do you run into that limit a lot? |
| [17:13:00] | defaultro: | they told me when i signed up the contract |
| [17:13:00] | defaultro: | nope |
| [17:13:00] | defaultro: | my max is somewhat 14 |
| [17:13:00] | Tommck: | wait... defaultro... this is wireless... not satellite |
| [17:13:00] | defaultro: | oh ok |
| [17:13:00] | defaultro: | sorry about that |
| [17:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | My ISP briefly toyed with throttling people down for the rest of the month if you hit 30G, they stopped that aftera few months and a ton of complaints |
| [17:13:00] | Tommck: | F***********************CK! |
| [17:13:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [17:14:00] | Tommck: | you had me so psyched for a minute... dammit! dammit! dammit! dammit! dammit! |
| [17:14:00] | defaultro: | i forgot since it's been a while |
| [17:14:00] | defaultro: | checking my hdtv now |
| [17:14:00] | ** GreyFoxx hugs his ISP ** | |
| [17:14:00] | Tommck: | I would dash a newborn baby's head against a wall to have a cable modem at this point |
| [17:15:00] | ** Tommck just realizes that he's a sick bastard ** | |
| [17:15:00] | ** GotD0t would do the same for nothing at all ** | |
| [17:15:00] | ** GotD0t hates kids ** | |
| [17:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | my ISP doubled out downstream the other day. I loved it before, and now it's better, even though most sites don't have that much upstream |
| [17:15:00] | GeckoFiend: | anyone know the status of drivers for the PVR500? Do they work? |
| [17:15:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – mine has been working for quite a while |
| [17:15:00] | Beirdo: | GotD0t: hey, you be nice. I *want* kids :) |
| [17:15:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:15:00] | Tommck: | I think that's luck though :) |
| [17:15:00] | GotD0t: | well you can have them... im not stopping you |
| [17:16:00] | GotD0t: | just dont bring em around my house |
| [17:16:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:16:00] | Tommck: | or anywhere near a wall |
| [17:16:00] | defaultro: | latest svn is working well |
| [17:16:00] | defaultro: | however, i still dont know if subtitles works |
| [17:16:00] | Tommck: | wow... I haven't updated in a long time... the repository is now svn? |
| [17:17:00] | defaultro: | just tried it now :) |
| [17:18:00] | Tommck: | is there a scheduled time when we're going to drop support for the existing pcHDTV drivers? |
| [17:20:00] | jonK: | gecko many people have them working well |
| [17:20:00] | jonK: | (drivers for pvr500) |
| [17:21:00] | hadees (~hadees@hadees.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) Quit (Client Quit) | |
| [17:21:00] | ** Tommck is using the venerable 0.3.2z drivers ** | |
| [17:23:00] | ** defaultro is very glad that DISPLAY=:0 /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend works well in cron :) ** | |
| [17:23:00] | jams: | GeckoFiend, I asked j-rod about the 500 last night |
| [17:24:00] | Tommck: | in cron? |
| [17:24:00] | jams: | it works well and he considered it stable |
| [17:24:00] | Tommck: | defaultro – why in cron? |
| [17:24:00] | jonK: | i have two, the first tuner of the first card will not modprobe correctly, but that may be a conflict with the pvr350 tvout |
| [17:24:00] | jonK: | or the via chipset |
| [17:24:00] | honeyzzz is now known as honey | |
| [17:24:00] | Tommck: | jonK – you have 2 500s? |
| [17:25:00] | jonK: | yes |
| [17:25:00] | Tommck: | man... seriously addicted to TV? :) |
| [17:25:00] | jonK: | stupid web shopping carts |
| [17:25:00] | GeckoFiend: | jams I was answer a guy on HTPC news and wanted to make sure I didn't lead a newbie down a path of pain. |
| [17:26:00] | GeckoFiend: | I just wish the PVR500 had dual svideo input |
| [17:26:00] | jonK: | and a pvr350 and hd3000 |
| [17:26:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – you can get the backplane thingy |
| [17:26:00] | Tommck: | I did |
| [17:26:00] | jonK: | so total i have 5 tuners |
| [17:26:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck spiffy! |
| [17:26:00] | jonK: | it's ridiculous |
| [17:26:00] | Tommck: | jonK – I have one 500 and 2 HD3000s |
| [17:27:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – it works fine... the only problem is that it takes up a slot thingy on your case... if your mobo maxes those, you lose a slot unless you case mod |
| [17:27:00] | jonK: | if i ever get everything running flawlessly, I'll probably swap out an 500 foranother 3000 |
| [17:27:00] | Tommck: | jonK – do you have everything detecting fine on boot? |
| [17:27:00] | jonK: | all but the first tuner of the pvr500 |
| [17:27:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck heh my MBE only has room for two tuners on the mobo, case has plenty of room |
| [17:28:00] | jonK: | although I have not really tried to do anything with the hd3000 yet |
| [17:28:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – then you're good... it's only like another $12 to get the expansion thing for the extra s-video connector |
| [17:28:00] | jonK: | but it appears to load correcty by what dmesg reports |
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| [17:28:00] | Tommck: | jonK – which HD drivers are you using? |
| [17:29:00] | jonK: | the tuner.ko from ivtv |
| [17:29:00] | defaultro: | I like this version, mythmusic doesn't quit |
| [17:29:00] | defaultro: | :) |
| [17:29:00] | jonK: | and the rest from linux 2.6.12 |
| [17:29:00] | defaultro: | however, the subtitles patch is not working |
| [17:29:00] | jonK: | built in dvb support into the kernel, indcluding the hd300 module |
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| [17:29:00] | Tommck: | ahh... I am on an older kernel... afraid to upgrade :) |
| [17:29:00] | ** Tommck is a wuss ** | |
| [17:29:00] | defaultro: | anyone here uses dvb-subtitles patch? |
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| [17:30:00] | Tommck: | jonK – no probs with the DVB support for the HD3000? |
| [17:31:00] | jonK: | again, have not really tried to do anything with it yet |
| [17:31:00] | jonK: | i.e., to view any video capture |
| [17:31:00] | Tommck: | oh.. |
| [17:31:00] | Tommck: | what the heck are you waiting for? :) |
| [17:31:00] | jonK: | free time |
| [17:31:00] | Tommck: | I ran with just the 2 HD3000 cards for a few months :) |
| [17:31:00] | Tommck: | I was waiting for the 500s to be supported :) |
| [17:32:00] | Tommck: | ooh... ftp.suse.com is screaming now with a 0.25kb/s :) |
| [17:34:00] | jonK: | how do i test the hd3000? |
| [17:34:00] | Tommck: | jonK – I'm not sure with the DVB drivers |
| [17:35:00] | jonK: | well how did you test without them? |
| [17:35:00] | Tommck: | with the pcHDTV drivers |
| [17:35:00] | Tommck: | and the dtvsignal command that comes with them |
| [17:35:00] | Tommck: | and a couple other utility programs |
| [17:36:00] | mrplum (~m@faa0ec19e0dea19a.session.tor) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [17:36:00] | mrplum: | damn |
| [17:36:00] | Tommck: | man.. the #lvm is a friggin useless channel |
| [17:36:00] | mrplum: | I was going to ask how to add new sources to mythnews, but I figured it out as the channel window opened. |
| [17:36:00] | mrplum: | lvm as in logical volume manager? |
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| [17:36:00] | Tommck: | mrplum -yeah |
| [17:37:00] | Tommck: | I asked a question over 4 hours ago |
| [17:37:00] | Tommck: | no response |
| [17:37:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [17:37:00] | jonK: | that never happens here |
| [17:37:00] | mrplum: | heh, maybe no one knows |
| [17:37:00] | Tommck: | jonK – hehe |
| [17:37:00] | mrplum: | You could try ##linux, or #linux-help |
| [17:37:00] | Tommck: | jonK – at least here someone says RTFM or Beirdo slaps you with his trout |
| [17:37:00] | jonK: | of course, the response may often be useless crap or just insulting |
| [17:38:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:38:00] | Tommck: | mrplum – I might... gonna start trying more googling first... less specific error messages |
| [17:38:00] | mrplum: | maybe even any of the distros #debian, #ubuntu, #gentoo, etc |
| [17:38:00] | jonK: | the blogs are all aflutter over o'connor retireing |
| [17:38:00] | Tommck: | yeah |
| [17:38:00] | Tommck: | laga – hehe |
| [17:39:00] | laga: | Tommck: i couldn't resist ;) |
| [17:39:00] | Tommck: | ;) |
| [17:39:00] | mrplum: | she's hot |
| [17:39:00] | jonK: | 75 and still got it |
| [17:39:00] | laga: | who's o'connor? |
| [17:39:00] | jonK: | supreme court justice sandra day o'connor |
| [17:39:00] | laga: | oh, k |
| [17:39:00] | Tommck: | laga – a US Supreme Court judge |
| [17:40:00] | jonK: | justice, not judge |
| [17:40:00] | jonK: | they have different name |
| [17:40:00] | Tommck: | same thing :) |
| [17:40:00] | Tommck: | I was trying to translate for the foreigners :) |
| [17:40:00] | Tommck: | I figured justice would confuse them.. |
| [17:40:00] | laga: | thank you, i appreciate it ;) |
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| [17:41:00] | Tommck: | anybody who watches their decisions would be confused by associating "justice" with them too :) |
| [17:41:00] | Beirdo: | especially as how there is no justice to be found in their decisions :) |
| [17:41:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:41:00] | jonK: | hey -ohhhhh |
| [17:41:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [17:41:00] | jonK: | (said in the best ed mcmahon i can muster) |
| [17:41:00] | Beirdo: | you beat me to it |
| [17:41:00] | Tommck: | yeah... like holding P2P software manufacturers responsible for people using their software to steal stuff? |
| [17:42:00] | Beirdo: | that makes sense, really |
| [17:42:00] | Beirdo: | even if I hate it |
| [17:43:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – why? |
| [17:43:00] | Tommck: | if I kill someone in my car, do you sue BMW? |
| [17:43:00] | Beirdo: | because most P2P software is expressly designed for copyright infringement purposes |
| [17:43:00] | jonK: | if bmw sold cars based on their lethal features you might |
| [17:43:00] | Tommck: | jonK – good point.. |
| [17:43:00] | Tommck: | speaking of lethal features in cars... reminds me of the anti-carjacking stuff in South Africa :) |
| [17:44:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:44:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [17:44:00] | jonK: | "buy our cars, twice the killing factor — now with special organ resistant paint! you mow em' down, it just hoses off) |
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| [17:44:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [17:44:00] | Tommck: | jonK – ever see the big blades on the sides of the car that flip open and cut the carjacker's feet off? |
| [17:44:00] | Beirdo: | "flame throwers – standard equipment" |
| [17:44:00] | laga: | heh |
| [17:45:00] | Tommck: | they actually have side flamethrowers as an option too... to fry the carjackers |
| [17:45:00] | rjune: | no, but that sounds like a good plan |
| [17:45:00] | laga: | Tommck: sounds like a good feature to me – they should keep their dirty hands off my things |
| [17:45:00] | rjune: | where is this? |
| [17:45:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [17:45:00] | Tommck: | South Africa |
| [17:45:00] | laga: | i hate thieves. |
| [17:45:00] | Tommck: | apparently carjacking is a bit of an issue there :) |
| [17:45:00] | defaultro: | found a small issue in latest svn, when watching livetv and we go to program guide, screen get shifted to the right about 50 pixels |
| [17:45:00] | Beirdo: | if you do fry them though, you get charged |
| [17:45:00] | defaultro: | aight guys, got to go now |
| [17:45:00] | Beirdo: | but it's considered self-defense |
| [17:45:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – you just drive away if there are no witnesses ;) |
| [17:46:00] | Tommck: | hehe |
| [17:46:00] | Beirdo: | but you end up charged if you get caught |
| [17:46:00] | Beirdo: | likely get off |
| [17:46:00] | Tommck: | yeah... |
| [17:46:00] | Beirdo: | according to an ex-coworker from .ZA |
| [17:46:00] | Tommck: | ah |
| [17:46:00] | Beirdo: | he moved to Canada, and had a cool accent |
| [17:46:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:46:00] | Tommck: | http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9812/11/flame.thrower.car/ |
| [17:47:00] | Beirdo: | and a French name |
| [17:47:00] | laga: | bye defaultro |
| [17:47:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo -does he taunt people and call them "wipers of other people's bottoms" ? |
| [17:47:00] | Beirdo: | hehe, no |
| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | he's a nice guy |
| [17:48:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | and white, and not racist |
| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | which is cool from South Africa |
| [17:48:00] | Tommck: | yeah |
| [17:48:00] | laga: | it's cool from everywhere ;) |
| [17:49:00] | Beirdo: | it is |
| [17:49:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | does anyone know if there is an ebuild for mythfm? |
| [17:49:00] | Beirdo: | but especially from somewhere with huge racism problems |
| [17:49:00] | laga: | Beirdo: heh, yep |
| [17:49:00] | Beirdo: | JoeyJoeJo: I'm sure portage can search for you |
| [17:49:00] | laga: | nice. google maps now has satellite images of europe. |
| [17:49:00] | Tommck: | so, apparenlty #suse has the same issues as #lvm |
| [17:50:00] | ** Tommck waits for laga to show up at #suse now :) ** | |
| [17:50:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | I'm pretty sure it's not in portage.. I was just wondering if anyone had made an ebuild for it |
| [17:50:00] | cyberknet: | google maps/keyhole imagery of australia leaves a little to be desired. |
| [17:50:00] | laga: | Tommck: naw, suse sucks ;) |
| [17:51:00] | Beirdo: | so does laga :) |
| [17:51:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:51:00] | Beirdo: | errr. |
| [17:51:00] | ** laga slaps Beirdo ** | |
| [17:51:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:51:00] | ** laga has trouble finding his house ** | |
| [17:51:00] | ** Beirdo tosses laga a Beck's ** | |
| [17:51:00] | cyberknet: | keyhole also takes a hell of a lot longer to load images than google maps does |
| [17:51:00] | jonK: | man google earth is amazing |
| [17:51:00] | laga: | thank you, i'm hung over enough |
| [17:52:00] | Beirdo: | cyberknet: funny how keyhole and asshole are the same number of letters |
| [17:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | jonK: Yeah |
| [17:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | Very sweet |
| [17:52:00] | cyberknet: | Beirdo: heh |
| [17:52:00] | cyberknet: | jonK: Google Earth == Keyhole |
| [17:52:00] | laga: | google maps tells me that one of my neighbours has a swimming pool. sweet. |
| [17:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | I can zoom in and see the car in my driveway :) |
| [17:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | been setting up maps and markers to the common spots we go kayaking :) |
| [17:53:00] | Tommck: | you can also google images of peoples assholes too :) |
| [17:53:00] | laga: | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=sankt+ingbert+g . . . =k&hl=en <- the house with the red roof :> |
| [17:56:00] | cyberknet: | The best part of sydney is stuck in shitty low resolution |
| [17:56:00] | cyberknet: | (harbour bridge & opera house) |
| [17:57:00] | laga: | it's amazing that you can see the white house and the pentagon. the roof of the white house looks photochopped, though ;) |
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| [17:58:00] | Tommck: | :) |
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| [17:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | hahaha just saw a comcast commerical for an offer that ended 5 days ago :) |
| [17:58:00] | laga: | that's real timeshifting. |
| [17:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [18:00:00] | jonK: | i hate it when i catch a commercial for a show i'd like to record, only to find out it was on two weeks ago |
| [18:00:00] | Beirdo: | that's annoying for sure |
| [18:00:00] | jonK: | "next on ... a brand new episode of ...." |
| [18:00:00] | Tommck: | laga: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=21131&ll=39 . . . =k&hl=en |
| [18:00:00] | Tommck: | my house |
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| [18:01:00] | Tommck: | you can kinda see why I don't have cable or DSL there :) |
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| [18:02:00] | Beirdo: | ya live in BFN |
| [18:02:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:03:00] | mrplum: | ugh how can I debug my mythnews.xml file, typo somewhere I just don't see it |
| [18:03:00] | mrplum: | news-sites.xml really |
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| [18:04:00] | jonK: | holy s--- managing partner just walked in said hey.. you're doing great here's a bonus |
| [18:05:00] | Beirdo: | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=toronto&ll= . . . =k&hl=en |
| [18:05:00] | Beirdo: | that's home |
| [18:05:00] | mrplum: | heh, your working? |
| [18:05:00] | laga: | Tommck: umm, yeah – i guess you can't use wlan either because of the darn trees |
| [18:05:00] | mrplum: | heh |
| [18:05:00] | Tommck: | jonK – did he say "I admire how you spend your time on #mythtv-users... " ? |
| [18:05:00] | laga: | jonK: 'you do a good job at wasting our money in irc' ;) |
| [18:05:00] | jonK: | he did not |
| [18:05:00] | Tommck: | laga – yeah.. sucks ass |
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| [18:07:00] | jonK: | i'm in my office, but only had a couple things I want to do today, so not really working this morning, waitng for an associate to get me a draft of something |
| [18:07:00] | Tommck: | congrats jonK |
| [18:07:00] | jonK: | thx' |
| [18:08:00] | ** jonK eyeing plasma screen tv's at bestbuy.com ** | |
| [18:09:00] | ** Beirdo steals jonK's bonus ** | |
| [18:09:00] | jonK: | stupid identity theft |
| [18:09:00] | Beirdo: | you don't need that :) yoink! |
| [18:10:00] | jonK: | sure you do, is was direct depostited |
| [18:10:00] | ** laga opens a cold one ** | |
| [18:10:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:10:00] | Beirdo: | ah well |
| [18:11:00] | jonK: | laga are you in europe |
| [18:11:00] | laga: | jonK: last time i checked, yes |
| [18:11:00] | jonK: | ok... was thinkgin it was a bit early but nvm |
| [18:11:00] | ** Beirdo considers getting some cold ones ** | |
| [18:11:00] | Beirdo: | it's noon |
| [18:11:00] | Beirdo: | and it's a holiday |
| [18:11:00] | laga: | heh |
| [18:11:00] | jonK: | I only drink on days ending in "y" |
| [18:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [18:11:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: what holiday? |
| [18:11:00] | laga: | what holidy? bever celebration day? |
| [18:11:00] | rjune: | gotta love that beaver |
| [18:11:00] | laga: | stupid keyboard *cougH* |
| [18:11:00] | Beirdo: | Canada Day, you silly people |
| [18:12:00] | Atamido: | 4 day weekend! |
| [18:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | 4 days? |
| [18:12:00] | Beirdo: | I'm seriously considering not going in on Monday |
| [18:12:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | I only see it as 3 days, |
| [18:12:00] | Tommck: | I thought it was Independence Day!? :) |
| [18:12:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [18:12:00] | jonK: | they take the 4th of becuase, as america's hat |
| [18:12:00] | Beirdo: | no |
| [18:12:00] | jonK: | what else you gonna do? |
| [18:12:00] | Beirdo: | Independence Day is US, and is Monday |
| [18:12:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: you don't get monday off |
| [18:12:00] | rjune: | ? |
| [18:12:00] | Tommck: | yeah... always reminds me of the Simpsons... |
| [18:12:00] | Beirdo: | I want the 4th off to chat with the woman :) |
| [18:13:00] | Tommck: | Homer: "Why would we leave America to go visit America Junior???" |
| [18:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | rjune, tody is Canada day, no reason I'd get Monday off |
| [18:13:00] | Beirdo: | "Florida, but that's America's Wang!" |
| [18:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | unless I skip out on work :) |
| [18:13:00] | rjune: | ah. |
| [18:13:00] | jonK: | lol |
| [18:13:00] | ** laga skipped school today ** | |
| [18:13:00] | Beirdo: | I might skip Monday |
| [18:13:00] | Beirdo: | or "work from home" |
| [18:13:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:13:00] | laga: | to get licence plates for my car. found out that i hadn't everything with me. stupid laga. |
| [18:13:00] | ** Tommck works from home every day :) ** | |
| [18:14:00] | ** laga doesn't work ;) ** | |
| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | but likely I will just go to work... like a sucker |
| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | and chat anyways |
| [18:14:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:14:00] | mrplum: | turns out mozilla is an awesome xml debugger. |
| [18:14:00] | jonK: | not me |
| [18:15:00] | ** laga is bored and only has spongebob recordings left ** | |
| [18:15:00] | jonK: | any crypto gurus around? |
| [18:15:00] | jonK: | laga, there is always live tv |
| [18:15:00] | laga: | i tend to say cryptic things ;) |
| [18:15:00] | laga: | jonK: live tv sucks |
| [18:15:00] | rjune: | jonK: *GASP*, no |
| [18:15:00] | jonK: | heresey! |
| [18:16:00] | laga: | heh |
| [18:16:00] | laga: | or mythgame. |
| [18:16:00] | laga: | but i'm too lazy to get up and fetch the gamepad. |
| [18:16:00] | mrplum: | crypto gurus? maybe |
| [18:16:00] | jonK: | svn appears back up |
| [18:17:00] | mrplum: | why do you ask, hmmm.... |
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| [18:17:00] | jonK: | looking to find some references that describe password change mechanisms |
| [18:17:00] | jonK: | that predate 1995 |
| [18:17:00] | xris: | passwd hasn't been around longer? |
| [18:17:00] | Tommck: | like what kind of mechanisms? |
| [18:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | anyone know of any repositories of video game screen shots? Something that might be used to pull down screenshots into mythgame ? |
| [18:18:00] | jonK: | specifically, need one for changing password on remote server over open channel |
| [18:18:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: wait a sec, i guess there was a link somewhere.. |
| [18:18:00] | jonK: | passwd with telnet would just be open channel |
| [18:18:00] | jonK: | passwod with ssh would be secure channel |
| [18:18:00] | Tommck: | jonK – was NIS/yellowpages open channel? |
| [18:18:00] | Tommck: | I thought it was |
| [18:18:00] | mrplum: | like rsh user@host passwd ? |
| [18:18:00] | Tommck: | mrplum – that'd do it |
| [18:18:00] | Tommck: | or rexec |
| [18:19:00] | Tommck: | the rpasswd command was part of NIS, i believe... which is as old as dirt |
| [18:19:00] | jonK: | what i need is where the client invokes a change password routine |
| [18:19:00] | Tommck: | yppasswd too? |
| [18:19:00] | jonK: | and client generates certain cryptographic messages |
| [18:19:00] | Tommck: | jonK yppasswd is client (user) invoked |
| [18:19:00] | jonK: | transmits them to server |
| [18:20:00] | Tommck: | oh... so secured then? |
| [18:20:00] | jonK: | how long has it been around |
| [18:20:00] | jonK: | not secure channel, but encrypted messages |
| [18:20:00] | Tommck: | yppaswd... a lot longer than 1995 |
| [18:20:00] | Beirdo: | hmm, not encrypted I think |
| [18:20:00] | Beirdo: | check out kerberos stuff |
| [18:20:00] | Tommck: | ahh.. not sure about the exact details |
| [18:20:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: http://www.mythtv.info/moin.cgi/MythGameHowTo <- scroll down to 'general notes' |
| [18:20:00] | Beirdo: | also way earlier than 1995 |
| [18:20:00] | jonK: | kerberos is close, but not quite |
| [18:20:00] | Tommck: | but I think that might have been wide open |
| [18:21:00] | Beirdo: | hmmm, trying to think |
| [18:21:00] | Tommck: | jonK – you should try and hunt down some old YellowPages manuals |
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| [18:21:00] | Tommck: | see if yppasswd was using encryption |
| [18:21:00] | jonK: | need one that does encrypt new with old encrypt old with new |
| [18:21:00] | Beirdo: | I know at work we use somthing using securid tokens... |
| [18:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: sweet |
| [18:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'mk thinking of adding code to do it automatically |
| [18:21:00] | Beirdo: | not sure how long ago we started with that |
| [18:21:00] | jonK: | i've used those |
| [18:21:00] | Beirdo: | not technically passwords though |
| [18:22:00] | jonK: | stored CA root keys in one |
| [18:22:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: waiting for your patches... ;)) |
| [18:22:00] | jonK: | the pcmcia card burns itself out if you enter the wrong private key password |
| [18:22:00] | jonK: | after 3 attempts |
| [18:22:00] | Beirdo: | laga: and we will likely get some too |
| [18:22:00] | Beirdo: | jonK: that's gonna be expensive |
| [18:23:00] | laga: | Beirdo: i know, and it makes me hug the world. |
| [18:23:00] | Atamido: | Where should I buy a PVR-500 from? |
| [18:23:00] | Beirdo: | Atamido: somewhere with a good price and stock |
| [18:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'll send something to Chutt this weekend for the first batch. It's mostly a gutting of the old and removal of most of the configuration screens, plus an addition of a flexible method to add basically any emulator/game and no more being tied to certain versions |
| [18:23:00] | mrplum: | :) |
| [18:23:00] | Tommck: | jonK – I think yppasswd is a decent option to pursue... I don't know the details.. I just know it's old.. and probably didn't secure everything but it was for network resources (changed password remotely) |
| [18:24:00] | Atamido: | NewEgg can't seem to decide if this is whitebox or retail. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116628 |
| [18:24:00] | ** Beirdo agrees with Tommck. ** | |
| [18:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I am looking at adding better crc/game checking and maybe add auto pulling down of the screenshots |
| [18:24:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: sounds great. |
| [18:24:00] | jonK: | that's the exact environment, ill research if it does what i am looking for |
| [18:24:00] | Beirdo: | look up yppasswd/nispasswd (same thing, different name) |
| [18:24:00] | Atamido: | Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 500 MCE *White box* PCI Interface WinTV-PVR-500MCE Windows XP Media Center Edition – *Retail* |
| [18:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have a few screenshots up at www.phaze.org/mythtv/mythgame/ |
| [18:24:00] | jonK: | atamido — newegg is a good selelr |
| [18:24:00] | jonK: | seller |
| [18:24:00] | Beirdo: | not sure if they encrypted though |
| [18:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | hehe add it now does recursive searching for roms, not just in a single directory :) |
| [18:25:00] | Atamido: | jonK: Yeah, but I think I wanted the retail box with the remote. |
| [18:25:00] | Tommck: | Beirdo – I'm assuming that, if it still exists today, that it has added encryption.. but I bet, back in the day it didn't have any.. |
| [18:25:00] | laga: | hmm. it would be cool if mythfrontend could *pretend* to be a certain host – that would make configuration a lot easier because settings things up with a remote sucks. ;) |
| [18:25:00] | Chutt: | the 500 doesn't come in a version with a remote |
| [18:25:00] | Tommck: | they probably migrated... thus, you might find a version, pre-1995 that had it |
| [18:25:00] | Beirdo: | Tommck: doubt it's changed much |
| [18:25:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:25:00] | jonK: | it's not session level encryption i need though |
| [18:25:00] | Atamido: | GreyFoxx: I have the roms for every NES and SNES game ever made. |
| [18:25:00] | jonK: | it's two specific messages |
| [18:26:00] | Beirdo: | ooooh |
| [18:26:00] | jonK: | over open channel |
| [18:26:00] | Beirdo: | they likely send the crypt of the passwd |
| [18:26:00] | Beirdo: | so it might fit your needs. |
| [18:26:00] | laga: | Atamido: and i guess you paid for them and own the original cartridges, right? ;) |
| [18:26:00] | Atamido: | Chutt: Thanks for the info. |
| [18:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | Atamido: Cool. I've got a HD full of 100Meg of all NES, SNES, N64 and others |
| [18:26:00] | jonK: | yppass? beirdo? |
| [18:26:00] | Beirdo: | I take it you are researching for a patent or something? |
| [18:26:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [18:26:00] | Chutt: | info is on hauppauge's site |
| [18:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | 100Gig |
| [18:27:00] | Chutt: | hauppauge doesn't do x64 drivers for their cards yet :( |
| [18:27:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: looks spiffy to me. i'm afraid that the poor pundit won't be able to handle mupen64, though *sigh* |
| [18:27:00] | jonK: | not really, just a side project |
| [18:27:00] | Beirdo: | ah, OK |
| [18:27:00] | Beirdo: | it sounded like research on a patent challenge or something :) |
| [18:27:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:28:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: BTW, what WM are you using? |
| [18:28:00] | Beirdo: | which is all fine |
| [18:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm gonna look at writing something to "import" the existing xmame and sness settings and build the commandline when dbcheck updates the database |
| [18:28:00] | Atamido: | GreyFoxx: The full SNES is about 2.7GB compressed, and the full NES is about 1.73GB uncompressed. |
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| [18:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | Atamido: There is a lot more on this drive than just nes and snes :) |
| [18:28:00] | Atamido: | Those N64 just took up to much space. :( |
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| [18:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | A friend of mine has been archiving this stuff for 6 years |
| [18:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | so I just got a copy of it |
| [18:29:00] | vasudeva: | if you have two separate disks in a single LVM volume group, formatted XFS, and one disk goes bad, does the VG still let you have what's on the good disk, or is everything shot? |
| [18:29:00] | cyberknet: | heh. only drinking on days ending in "y" and only at times of the day ending in "M" =) |
| [18:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Icewm |
| [18:29:00] | laga: | Atamido: i've found that many games don't work with mupen64, e.g. goldeneye. it's sad, it's one of my favourite games. i even own the cartridge, but it broke :/ |
| [18:29:00] | Atamido: | laga: No, but I only play the ones that I bought and have since lost. |
| [18:30:00] | laga: | vasudeva: well. you have a CD and break it into two pieces (and throw one piece away). will it still work? |
| [18:31:00] | vasudeva: | laga: so the VG is a CD? |
| [18:31:00] | laga: | vasudeva: heh. no. ;) |
| [18:31:00] | laga: | vasudeva: you have one filesystem for two disks, right? |
| [18:31:00] | GeckoFiend: | vasudeva yes you can recover what's on the other disk is the VG |
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| [18:32:00] | laga: | GeckoFiend: you can recover it? that sounds great. do you have any keywords for me? |
| [18:32:00] | ** cyberknet avoids LVM like the plague ** | |
| [18:33:00] | cyberknet is now known as CyberKnet | |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | cyberknet prefers sheep |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:33:00] | laga: | the plague isn't that bad when you get used to it |
| [18:33:00] | ** Beirdo chuckles ** | |
| [18:33:00] | CyberKnet: | Yes. Sheep data storage. |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | RAM |
| [18:33:00] | laga: | samsung |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:33:00] | CyberKnet: | I put my "data" in, and they "accept" to store it for a while. |
| [18:33:00] | CyberKnet: | no, EWE. |
| [18:33:00] | laga: | random accessible mammals? |
| [18:33:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:33:00] | CyberKnet: | "Extensible Wool Environment" |
| [18:34:00] | GeckoFiend: | laga my guess the LVM howto would have info |
| [18:34:00] | laga: | GeckoFiend: thank you, i'm going to read it when i'm sober again. ;) |
| [18:35:00] | CyberKnet: | it is a sorry, sorry thing to lose ones video store. |
| [18:35:00] | Beirdo: | hehe, I was going to watch a movie at noon, and forgot to leave early |
| [18:35:00] | laga: | CyberKnet: yep. |
| [18:35:00] | vasudeva: | exactly |
| [18:35:00] | ** Beirdo sucketh ** | |
| [18:35:00] | Beirdo: | so 3:30 it is |
| [18:35:00] | Atamido: | LVM is b0rked. |
| [18:35:00] | CyberKnet: | I lost a video drive once. Maxtor. blegh. Seagate for me. |
| [18:36:00] | Beirdo: | Crapstor.. hehe |
| [18:36:00] | CyberKnet: | although I got the scare of my life yesterday with so many errors in my dmesg about xfs being corrupted |
| [18:36:00] | CyberKnet: | seems to have corrected its self though. |
| [18:36:00] | laga: | http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.676215,-117 . . . =k&hl=en <- umm. one of the buildings looks odd to me. |
| [18:37:00] | Atamido: | Gah! Newegg doesn't have the PVR-500 in stock! |
| [18:37:00] | Tommck: | Atamido – try pcalchemy? |
| [18:37:00] | CyberKnet: | laga: which? |
| [18:38:00] | CyberKnet: | oh |
| [18:38:00] | CyberKnet: | =) |
| [18:38:00] | CyberKnet: | the swastika building =) |
| [18:38:00] | laga: | CyberKnet: the one left to the green stuff |
| [18:38:00] | laga: | CyberKnet: yeeeeep ;) |
| [18:38:00] | laga: | someone should have noticed when looking at the blue prints. |
| [18:38:00] | CyberKnet: | laga: would have been funnier if it was in france |
| [18:39:00] | laga: | yep |
| [18:39:00] | laga: | or next to the reichstag.. ;) |
| [18:39:00] | CyberKnet: | heh |
| [18:39:00] | CyberKnet: | I wonder if the architect was making a statement. |
| [18:40:00] | CyberKnet: | laga: and how did you come to find that? |
| [18:40:00] | Beirdo: | laga: next to the reichstag would be a bit illegal, I think |
| [18:40:00] | Atamido: | Tommck: Thanks, it looks like they have it in stock. |
| [18:40:00] | laga: | Beirdo: it's illegal to wear etc swastikas in germany. dunno if it applies to such buildings, too. |
| [18:41:00] | laga: | CyberKnet: a friend of mine sent it to me. |
| [18:41:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, I dunno either |
| [18:41:00] | CyberKnet: | would probably be pretty hard to get a building permit, I would think. |
| [18:42:00] | Beirdo: | I'd hope so |
| [18:42:00] | laga: | Beirdo: there was swastika on a municipal building, including an eagle – the city was to cheap to remove it and now, it got stolen. |
| [18:42:00] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [18:42:00] | laga: | funny that they let it hang there for over 60 years ;) |
| [18:42:00] | CyberKnet: | a poster, or ? |
| [18:42:00] | laga: | and this thing is worth a lot of money on the black market. |
| [18:42:00] | Beirdo: | iron, likely |
| [18:43:00] | laga: | CyberKnet: it was made of metal |
| [18:43:00] | CyberKnet: | wow. I bet that was worth a *ton* |
| [18:43:00] | Beirdo: | and weighed one too |
| [18:43:00] | CyberKnet: | likely. |
| [18:44:00] | CyberKnet: | can't imagine the amount of noise it must have created trying to remove it. |
| [18:44:00] | laga: | |
| [18:45:00] | CyberKnet: | no hits on google images :| |
| [18:45:00] | laga: | http://www.hl-live.de/aktuell/bilder/holdtentor3.jpg |
| [18:45:00] | CyberKnet: | thats where it was? |
| [18:46:00] | laga: | yep |
| [18:46:00] | CyberKnet: | was this take nafter it was removed? |
| [18:46:00] | laga: | i don't know, sorry |
| [18:47:00] | CyberKnet: | do you know the name of the building? |
| [18:47:00] | CyberKnet: | university of applied sciences |
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| [18:47:00] | laga: | holstentor |
| [18:48:00] | laga: | sad, no hits on google image :/ |
| [18:48:00] | laga: | http://bilder.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news/2005/ . . . rty=Bild.jpg |
| [18:49:00] | CyberKnet: | that's pretty crudded up. |
| [18:49:00] | laga: | yep |
| [18:49:00] | CyberKnet: | I wonder how many people noticed it. |
| [18:49:00] | Beirdo: | it would clean up nicely though |
| [18:49:00] | laga: | not many. it was only like 10cm |
| [18:50:00] | Atamido: | I'm sure it would have been worth a few thousand. |
| [18:51:00] | Beirdo: | I'd take a vintage Leica camera instead, thanks |
| [18:51:00] | Atamido: | I just want a TV. |
| [18:51:00] | Beirdo: | or a war-vintage Volkswagen |
| [18:51:00] | Beirdo: | etc. |
| [18:52:00] | Beirdo: | way nicer things than a damn swastika :) |
| [18:52:00] | laga: | yeah |
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| [18:52:00] | CyberKnet: | I'd take a pro nikon digital instead =) |
| [18:52:00] | ** Atamido wonders what those neo-nazis in Germany see in all that stuff anyway. ** | |
| [18:52:00] | Beirdo: | already have one |
| [18:52:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:53:00] | CyberKnet: | newer and more pro than yours =) |
| [18:53:00] | Beirdo: | eat me |
| [18:53:00] | Beirdo: | I don't want a D2 |
| [18:53:00] | CyberKnet: | hah |
| [18:53:00] | CyberKnet: | I do |
| [18:53:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:53:00] | CyberKnet: | so many frames per second for so long |
| [18:53:00] | CyberKnet: | it's ecstasy. |
| [18:53:00] | Beirdo: | the cheep guy wants an expensive camera |
| [18:53:00] | CyberKnet: | that's right |
| [18:53:00] | laga: | Atamido: most of them are bored, unemployed young people who think that hating people will make $things better. |
| [18:53:00] | Beirdo: | hell, the D70 will do 3fps indefinitely |
| [18:53:00] | CyberKnet: | because cheap photography is not worth doing! |
| [18:54:00] | CyberKnet: | it's just not. |
| [18:54:00] | Beirdo: | right till the card is full |
| [18:54:00] | CyberKnet: | 3fps. bah. |
| [18:54:00] | CyberKnet: | that's amateur =) |
| [18:54:00] | Beirdo: | if you want more, buy a fuckin camcorder |
| [18:54:00] | ** Atamido hates lots of people but still doesn't see a marked improvement in the world. ** | |
| [18:54:00] | CyberKnet: | hah |
| [18:54:00] | CyberKnet: | that's low resolution. |
| [18:54:00] | laga: | CyberKnet: get a video camery – they do up to 30 fps :> |
| [18:54:00] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [18:54:00] | Beirdo: | buy a fuckin movie camera |
| [18:54:00] | laga: | darn, beirdo beat me to it |
| [18:54:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:55:00] | laga: | Atamido: but it's worth a shot, huh? |
| [18:55:00] | CyberKnet: | that's not as versatile. |
| [18:55:00] | Beirdo: | 24fps on film |
| [18:55:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:55:00] | Beirdo: | I don't need more than 3fps on a still camera |
| [18:56:00] | CyberKnet: | this thing has a top shutter speed of 1/8000 sec. |
| [18:56:00] | Beirdo: | I think the D70 does too |
| [18:56:00] | CyberKnet: | 12.84 megapixel. |
| [18:56:00] | Beirdo: | meh |
| [18:57:00] | Beirdo: | I have a film scanner that will do 5400dpi |
| [18:57:00] | Beirdo: | way nicer |
| [18:57:00] | CyberKnet: | full image 5 frames per second, 8 frames per second at cropped image |
| [18:58:00] | CyberKnet: | in CH mode. |
| [18:58:00] | CyberKnet: | it's just a really nice toy =) |
| [18:58:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [18:58:00] | CyberKnet: | no idea where I'll get the 5,000 it costs. |
| [18:58:00] | CyberKnet: | =P" |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | I like the D70 at the $809CDN I paid for it |
| [18:59:00] | CyberKnet: | in the mean time, I'll stick with my $100 throw-away 3.2mp fuji |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:00:00] | CyberKnet: | now, a film developer/scanner in one ... that would be worth a ton to a lot of people. |
| [19:00:00] | Beirdo: | I so want to develop my own |
| [19:00:00] | CyberKnet: | put in the roll, and it devlops the film and scans it in at 5400 dpi. |
| [19:00:00] | Beirdo: | I likely will soon |
| [19:00:00] | Beirdo: | I usually scan at 1800DPI |
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| [19:00:00] | Beirdo: | that's big enough |
| [19:00:00] | CyberKnet: | scanning in prints is awful though. |
| [19:00:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, you have the address to mail the cards to? |
| [19:00:00] | Beirdo: | but it can do 5400 |
| [19:01:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: I sure dont, but I also forgot to bring the cards with me today :| |
| [19:01:00] | Beirdo: | this is a film scanner :) |
| [19:01:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Yeah, I know. |
| [19:01:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, hehe, yeah, I saw that this mornin :) |
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| [19:01:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: I was just making an observation. |
| [19:01:00] | Beirdo: | it will do 35mm negatives or slides |
| [19:01:00] | Beirdo: | that is all |
| [19:01:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, scanning prints is sucky |
| [19:02:00] | CyberKnet: | how about a 9000ED |
| [19:02:00] | ** CyberKnet is stuck on Nikon ** | |
| [19:02:00] | ** Beirdo is a Nikon user ** | |
| [19:03:00] | Beirdo: | got a Coolpix 5200, two F65, one D70 |
| [19:03:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:03:00] | CyberKnet: | what's your scanner? |
| [19:04:00] | Beirdo: | Konica-Minolta DiMage Scan Elite 5400II |
| [19:04:00] | Beirdo: | the Nikon ones were lower resolution |
| [19:04:00] | Beirdo: | and more money |
| [19:06:00] | CyberKnet: | well, there's no sense in that. |
| [19:06:00] | CyberKnet: | film is film, it's not like where you have to worry about lenses not fitting or some such. |
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| [19:39:00] | Beirdo: | oh oh... redneck alert :) |
| [19:39:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:39:00] | Beirdo: | Welcome, TummyAcid.. |
| [19:39:00] | Beirdo: | I'm just being silly |
| [19:39:00] | CyberKnet: | 2/win 5 |
| [19:39:00] | CyberKnet: | dang it. |
| [19:39:00] | Beirdo: | Oh, that reminds me... should download those pics of Beale St. out of my digital camera |
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| [19:45:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: hey |
| [19:46:00] | TummyAcid: | heya |
| [19:46:00] | TummyAcid: | so where is a good place for basic no tv troubleshooting for knoppmyth? |
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| [19:46:00] | Beirdo: | heya, Cardoe |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | OK, uploading the Beale St. pics |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | now that I finally remembered |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | http://pics.beirdo.ca/Tennessee/DSCN0128 |
| [19:55:00] | Beirdo: | starts there, and to the end of that album |
| [19:57:00] | CyberKnet: | oh man. Kormoc just expects that I should know about how to set a box up to use m179's ... =) |
| [19:57:00] | CyberKnet: | I run _fedora_ _core_ =) |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:57:00] | CyberKnet: | OS for IDIOTS =) |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | and you're... you... |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | hhee |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | what is he thinking? |
| [19:57:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:58:00] | CyberKnet: | heh |
| [19:58:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [19:58:00] | CyberKnet: | "do you need v4l?" "uhh.... sure. video for linux ... and these have video capture. Let's go with yes." |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | OK, I need to burn a film tonight. |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | it had 9 shots on it |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | It's a 36-exp film |
| [19:58:00] | CyberKnet: | "what about i2c?" "Ummm... hmmm... *coin flips* Yes?" |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | and I want the pics that's on the beginning of the roll |
| [19:59:00] | CyberKnet: | You'd think he thought I had some level of intelligence or something =P" |
| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | wonder how good 800ASA is at doing fireworks? |
| [19:59:00] | CyberKnet: | Ooooh, what a fantastic point |
| [19:59:00] | CyberKnet: | I SO need to go get some high speed film. |
| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | there will be some tonight |
| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | I usually use 400–800ASA |
| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | it should work well, I think |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | right now have Fuji NPZ800 in there (professional film) |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | it expires... about now |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | of course, the expiry's really a "best before" |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | it's still good for another 6–8 months for most film |
| [20:01:00] | Beirdo: | which is why I shoot expiring film, it's WAY cheaper |
| [20:01:00] | CyberKnet: | is 800 the highest speed that you can get from your typical corner store? I forget. |
| [20:01:00] | Beirdo: | see, some Scottish in me after all |
| [20:01:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [20:01:00] | CyberKnet: | I've bought expiring film before. |
| [20:01:00] | Beirdo: | I can get 1600 or 3200 (if I really wanna pay) at Henry's |
| [20:01:00] | CyberKnet: | It still works decently. |
| [20:01:00] | CyberKnet: | 1600 must be horribly expensive. |
| [20:01:00] | Beirdo: | but 800ASA is the highest most places |
| [20:01:00] | Beirdo: | it is |
| [20:02:00] | CyberKnet: | even 800 is pretty spendy. |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | $15 for a 24-exp roll |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | the 800ASA, I pay $7 a roll for expiring stuff |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | or thereabouts |
| [20:02:00] | Beirdo: | having a professional camera shop 2 blocks from work just rules |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | i got some expiring 1600ASA B&W film for $7 |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | professional grade too |
| [20:04:00] | CyberKnet: | nice! |
| [20:05:00] | CyberKnet: | you go in there frequently, I take it?? |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | when I went earlier this week, they were out |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | but they had the D70 used :) |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, once or twice a week usually |
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| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | bring in a film, get more |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:05:00] | CyberKnet: | keep an eye out for some nice (cheap) nikon lenses for me =) |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:06:00] | CyberKnet: | preferrably AF |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | if I find em, they go in my camera bag :) |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:06:00] | CyberKnet: | oh come now =) |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | I want a Tamron 17–35mm |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | or a Sigma |
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| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | they had one used for $400CDN |
| [20:06:00] | CyberKnet: | I have some cheapie that came with the camera |
| [20:06:00] | CyberKnet: | and that's it. |
| [20:07:00] | Beirdo: | I'm Bart Simpson, who the hell are you? |
| [20:07:00] | JoeyJoeJo: | does anyone know what version of id3 that mythmusic uses? |
| [20:07:00] | CyberKnet: | I'm pretty sure it's version <check the documentation> |
| [20:07:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, I have the two that came with my F65 body, and a Sigma lens that I bought with my second F65 |
| [20:07:00] | CyberKnet: | aah, it was a Quantaray 28–90 |
| [20:08:00] | Beirdo: | not bad, don't know the brand, but should do OK |
| [20:08:00] | CyberKnet: | I'd like a wide angle |
| [20:08:00] | Beirdo: | me too |
| [20:08:00] | CyberKnet: | and some form of zoom lens |
| [20:08:00] | Beirdo: | hence the 17–35 |
| [20:08:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:08:00] | Beirdo: | my 70–300 is decent for zoom |
| [20:08:00] | CyberKnet: | Yeah, I wouldn't mind one of those. |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | you should be able to get one cheap |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | they came with a F65 package |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | maybe $200? |
| [20:09:00] | CyberKnet: | a 100–300 wouldn't be bad. |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | the 70–300 is nice |
| [20:10:00] | CyberKnet: | and you can get that for only 129.95 US |
| [20:10:00] | Beirdo: | I want a 100–400 or larger |
| [20:10:00] | Beirdo: | but $$$$$ |
| [20:10:00] | CyberKnet: | ritz has a quantaray 70–300 high speed AF for 149.95 |
| [20:10:00] | Beirdo: | but a 17–35 would be worth it |
| [20:10:00] | CyberKnet: | 70–210 may be enough |
| [20:10:00] | CyberKnet: | those are pretty inexpensive. |
| [20:10:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:11:00] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna be checking the "junk bin" now |
| [20:11:00] | CyberKnet: | is that where the D70 was? |
| [20:11:00] | Beirdo: | see if I can get lenses for mom's FTN |
| [20:11:00] | Beirdo: | noooo |
| [20:11:00] | Beirdo: | they keep the cameras in cabinets |
| [20:11:00] | Beirdo: | but they have a table of basically $10 for any item in here |
| [20:11:00] | CyberKnet: | that's what I was expecting =) |
| [20:12:00] | CyberKnet: | Quantaray 18–50 for 149.95 |
| [20:12:00] | Beirdo: | and it can occasionally include fully manual lenses |
| [20:12:00] | CyberKnet: | 19–35 for 199.95 |
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| [20:12:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:12:00] | CyberKnet: | they're Quantaray though, not Nikon |
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| [20:12:00] | CyberKnet: | I've been happy with my Quantaray lens though |
| [20:13:00] | CyberKnet: | mmm... 18 – 200 |
| [20:13:00] | CyberKnet: | heh |
| [20:13:00] | Beirdo: | http://www.henrys.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servl . . . toreId=10001 |
| [20:13:00] | Beirdo: | that's where I go |
| [20:14:00] | CyberKnet: | CAD or USD on this site? |
| [20:14:00] | Beirdo: | tamron 19–35 for $267 |
| [20:14:00] | Beirdo: | CAD |
| [20:14:00] | Beirdo: | they don't say if that's a Nikon mount though |
| [20:14:00] | ** CyberKnet was looking at ritzcamera.com ** | |
| [20:15:00] | CyberKnet: | tamron 18–200mm for 399.99 usd =) |
| [20:16:00] | CyberKnet: | that seems to have a fairly large focal range. |
| [20:16:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:16:00] | CyberKnet: | not as much as a 50–500 though =) |
| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [20:17:00] | ** CyberKnet thinks about getting that 70–210 ** | |
| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | used nikon mp 50 F1.8...$54 |
| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | mf rather |
| [20:18:00] | CyberKnet: | you like the mf lenses better than the af lenses? |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | no, but a F1.8 lens? |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | 50mm non-zoom |
| [20:18:00] | CyberKnet: | wow |
| [20:18:00] | CyberKnet: | that's a 450 lens |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | not a bad lens to add to my collection |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | yah |
| [20:19:00] | CyberKnet: | I wonder if it's scratched up or something |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | I'm heading up there tomorrow to get my film |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | so I'll see :) |
| [20:19:00] | CyberKnet: | 54 CAD would be an absolute steal |
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| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:20:00] | CyberKnet: | well, if they have any good deal on lenses you already have... =) |
| [20:20:00] | dopester: | i got a bunch of F body lenses |
| [20:20:00] | dopester: | i need to get one of the D70s one of these days |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | the D70 is nice |
| [20:20:00] | dopester: | yeah its not cheap though |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | I know |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | I bought one this week |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | $809CDN used |
| [20:20:00] | Beirdo: | body only |
| [20:21:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: Quantaray 28–80 for $81CDN |
| [20:21:00] | dopester: | ive seen it online for 799USD body only i believe |
| [20:21:00] | dopester: | but i also haven't looked very hard |
| [20:21:00] | Beirdo: | yeah. |
| [20:21:00] | Beirdo: | I got it cheaper :) |
| [20:21:00] | dopester: | it uses compact flash right? |
| [20:21:00] | Beirdo: | yep |
| [20:21:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: would't that be very similar to the 28–90 that came with my camera? |
| [20:22:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [20:22:00] | CyberKnet: | any perceived advantage? |
| [20:22:00] | Beirdo: | USED SIGMA MF 400 5.6 APO NIKON 7 $269.99 UU00051 7 |
| [20:22:00] | Beirdo: | hmmmm |
| [20:22:00] | CyberKnet: | hmmm |
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| [20:22:00] | CyberKnet: | that's a tough call =) |
| [20:22:00] | Beirdo: | condition 7... |
| [20:23:00] | Beirdo: | so not "perfect" |
| [20:23:00] | CyberKnet: | 7 is on the good end, or the bad end? =) |
| [20:23:00] | Beirdo: | good |
| [20:24:00] | Beirdo: | most of the stuff is 8+ or 9 |
| [20:24:00] | Beirdo: | 10 is new |
| [20:24:00] | fangarzz: | been shopping for a D70 for a couple months now |
| [20:24:00] | fangarzz: | not so sure if i should go for a whole kit or body only |
| [20:24:00] | fangarzz: | and get lenses as i need them |
| [20:24:00] | Beirdo: | fangarzz: you have Nikon lenses yet? |
| [20:24:00] | fangarzz: | no |
| [20:24:00] | fangarzz: | so i would need at least one |
| [20:24:00] | Beirdo: | then a kit might be better |
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| [20:25:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: 7 is still optically and mechanically perfect |
| [20:25:00] | Beirdo: | I already had lenses |
| [20:25:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: yeah |
| [20:25:00] | CyberKnet: | who gives a crap how it looks =) |
| [20:25:00] | fangarzz: | but when you shop for kits they make it "look" like you save money but a lot of the junk they throw in is just that |
| [20:25:00] | Beirdo: | true |
| [20:25:00] | fangarzz: | ive got to break down each component and find a true value |
| [20:25:00] | Beirdo: | fangarzz: well, the included lens is pretty decent |
| [20:26:00] | fangarzz: | im new to that level of photography so i know very little about the lenses |
| [20:27:00] | fangarzz: | www.dpreview.com seems to be a geat resource but theres a lot to sift thru |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | buttloads |
| [20:27:00] | fangarzz: | took me a month just to decide on the D70 |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:27:00] | Beirdo: | took me about 5 minutes |
| [20:28:00] | fangarzz: | well me too |
| [20:28:00] | fangarzz: | once i held one |
| [20:28:00] | fangarzz: | at ritz |
| [20:28:00] | fangarzz: | but before i could actually hold a nikon and then a rebel side by side |
| [20:28:00] | fangarzz: | it was all just ether in my mind |
| [20:29:00] | Beirdo: | I personally like the Nikon stuff, but a lot of people like Canon |
| [20:29:00] | CyberKnet: | ditto |
| [20:29:00] | fangarzz: | right now im trying to figure out if it would benefit me to get nikkor lenses |
| [20:30:00] | fangarzz: | or the lower cost brands |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | Nikkor are superb |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | but cost more for sure |
| [20:30:00] | CyberKnet: | what's 135 CAD in USD? |
| [20:30:00] | fangarzz: | i dunno |
| [20:30:00] | Beirdo: | * 0.80 |
| [20:30:00] | kormoc: | ~110 |
| [20:31:00] | CyberKnet: | 110 for an 8+ Signma AF 70–300 |
| [20:31:00] | CyberKnet: | that's not bad. |
| [20:31:00] | fangarzz: | i could figure it out in convert but im not so good with it yet |
| [20:31:00] | CyberKnet: | used, of course. |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | USED SIGMA 18–35 F3.5–4.5 ASP N. 8+ |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | UU05544 8+ $404.99 |
| [20:31:00] | Beirdo: | hmmmmm |
| [20:31:00] | kormoc: | with today's exchange rates. |
| [20:31:00] | fangarzz: | i know how to do temps and thats about it |
| [20:31:00] | kormoc: | 135 CAD = 108.767 USD |
| [20:31:00] | kormoc: | 1 CAD = 0.805682 USD |
| [20:31:00] | kormoc: | 1 USD = 1.24118 CAD |
| [20:32:00] | Beirdo: | USED SIGMA AF 17–35 F2.8–4 EX NI.8+ |
| [20:32:00] | Beirdo: | UU08144 8+ $485.99 |
| [20:32:00] | Beirdo: | and that's the one I *really* want |
| [20:32:00] | CyberKnet: | heh |
| [20:32:00] | ** kormoc is getting too good at cad conversion ** | |
| [20:32:00] | Beirdo: | but MAN that's still pricy |
| [20:32:00] | CyberKnet: | no kidding |
| [20:33:00] | Beirdo: | I could likely talk them down a bit |
| [20:33:00] | fangarzz: | maybe you could stalk a celebrity with it and make it pay for itself after a good shot or two of them breaking it |
| [20:33:00] | Beirdo: | having that place so close to work is EVIL |
| [20:33:00] | CyberKnet: | talk them down a bit on the sigma 70–300 and get it for me. |
| [20:33:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:33:00] | CyberKnet: | get them to ... 90CAD =) |
| [20:33:00] | Beirdo: | celebrities in downtown Toronto? not hard at all. |
| [20:34:00] | Beirdo: | there's always movies being filmed |
| [20:34:00] | Beirdo: | like Cinderella Man |
| [20:34:00] | Beirdo: | fucked up downtown for weeks last summer |
| [20:34:00] | fangarzz: | solid gold if you could get him to punch your lens |
| [20:34:00] | Beirdo: | with Russell Crowe? that woudl be likely :) |
| [20:34:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:35:00] | CyberKnet: | get a shot of celebrity w (married to celebrity x) doing celebrity y (married to celebrity z). |
| [20:35:00] | Beirdo: | of course, I could go to the Toronto Molson Indy... |
| [20:35:00] | CyberKnet: | that'll pay for its self in a huge way. |
| [20:35:00] | Beirdo: | and take pictures of all sorts of celebs |
| [20:35:00] | Beirdo: | wonder if Letterman will be there this year? |
| [20:35:00] | Beirdo: | he co-owns a team |
| [20:35:00] | fangarzz: | here in phoenix all i can get is shots of alice cooper playing golf |
| [20:36:00] | CyberKnet: | fangarzz: heh |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | you can get shots of the most infamous jail in the USA |
| [20:36:00] | fangarzz: | my wife works next door |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | ye olde Tent City |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | your sheriff is a hardass :) |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:36:00] | fangarzz: | she works at estraya |
| [20:36:00] | fangarzz: | if she ever pisses her boss off she will have to work the tents |
| [20:37:00] | Beirdo: | good for your county... bad for the neighboring ones |
| [20:37:00] | fangarzz: | not much going on in the neighboring counties |
| [20:37:00] | Beirdo: | too bad more places didn't do that |
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| [20:38:00] | Beirdo: | whether you like him or not, he's effective, and repeat offenses are lower there than anywhere else in your country. |
| [20:38:00] | fangarzz: | he does a good job |
| [20:38:00] | Beirdo: | sounds good to me :) |
| [20:38:00] | fangarzz: | he showboats now and then |
| [20:38:00] | Beirdo: | but he IS a hardass :) |
| [20:38:00] | fangarzz: | besides i cant talk shit about my wifes boss |
| [20:38:00] | fangarzz: | ;) |
| [20:38:00] | Beirdo: | just what is needed anyways |
| [20:39:00] | Beirdo: | sure you can |
| [20:39:00] | Beirdo: | just don't get arrested |
| [20:39:00] | CyberKnet: | and dont tell him the channel is logged =) |
| [20:39:00] | fangarzz: | one time he built a tower of trash on the side of the highway to remind the drivers that littering is bad |
| [20:39:00] | fangarzz: | that was a bit overboard |
| [20:39:00] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [20:39:00] | Beirdo: | that's funny |
| [20:39:00] | CyberKnet: | is this guy a nutjob? |
| [20:39:00] | fangarzz: | but other then that most of his stunts are meaningful |
| [20:39:00] | Beirdo: | hey don't get me wrong. being a hardass sheriff is a good thing |
| [20:39:00] | fangarzz: | no nutjob |
| [20:40:00] | fangarzz: | he just showboats a bit |
| [20:40:00] | Beirdo: | used to run a good chunk of the DEA, did he not? |
| [20:40:00] | fangarzz: | im not sure |
| [20:40:00] | fangarzz: | im from san diego originally |
| [20:40:00] | Beirdo: | he knows what he's doing. just beware... if you are in Arizona... there's one county not to break the law in |
| [20:40:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:40:00] | fangarzz: | he was sherrif when i got here about 6 years ago |
| [20:41:00] | CyberKnet: | which county, exactly? ;) I have a friend in AZ who could do to learn a lesson. |
| [20:41:00] | Beirdo: | and has been ever since, and likely will stay a while yet |
| [20:41:00] | Beirdo: | Maricopa County, I think it is, no? |
| [20:41:00] | fangarzz: | maricopa |
| [20:41:00] | CyberKnet: | far from scotsdale? |
| [20:41:00] | Beirdo: | and I don't even LIVE in the US |
| [20:41:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:42:00] | fangarzz: | scottsdale is connected to phoenix |
| [20:42:00] | Beirdo: | not far at all :) |
| [20:42:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:42:00] | fangarzz: | you wouldnt know it was a separate city if it werent for the signs and sudden appearance of safe bike lanes |
| [20:42:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:43:00] | fangarzz: | phoenix and all its sattelites are sprawling out at a crazy rate |
| [20:43:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:43:00] | Beirdo: | not just a senior's paradise anymore |
| [20:44:00] | fangarzz: | sun city itself will be engulfed soon enough |
| [20:44:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'm gonna go out and watch a movie, i think |
| [20:44:00] | Beirdo: | Episode 3 is on in just under an hour... still haven't seen it |
| [20:44:00] | Beirdo: | and being a holiday :) |
| [20:44:00] | fangarzz: | time for me to research some more lenses |
| [20:45:00] | Beirdo: | have fun, lenses are such a money pit if you aren't careful :) |
| [20:45:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: what was wrong with the one I pasted in here? |
| [20:45:00] | Beirdo: | nothing |
| [20:45:00] | CyberKnet: | =) |
| [20:45:00] | CyberKnet: | so go bargain already. |
| [20:45:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:45:00] | Beirdo: | nah, not going there today |
| [20:46:00] | Beirdo: | I have a roll of film to pick up tomorrow though |
| [20:46:00] | CyberKnet: | do it! do it now! |
| [20:46:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:46:00] | Beirdo: | although I promised to be good |
| [20:46:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:46:00] | Beirdo: | I did reserve the right to buy a lens or two if they were the right price |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | that 50mm F1.8 will be mine if it's there tomorrow |
| [20:47:00] | CyberKnet: | =P" |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | nice aperature... |
| [20:48:00] | Beirdo: | good for available light shooting |
| [20:48:00] | ** kormoc wants a F16 lens. ** | |
| [20:48:00] | Beirdo: | uh, why? |
| [20:48:00] | kormoc: | cause when I wanna take fast pictures, I'd just toss on the afterbruner. |
| [20:49:00] | Beirdo: | booooo |
| [20:49:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:49:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [20:49:00] | kormoc: | I know, it was gawd aweful :P |
| [20:49:00] | CyberKnet: | =) |
| [20:50:00] | Beirdo: | and for any lens I buy, I buy a UV filter |
| [20:50:00] | kormoc: | smarty |
| [20:50:00] | rtsai: | Am I in the right channel? My (probably pitifully small) scrollback has absolutely nothing myth-related in there ... |
| [20:50:00] | ** CyberKnet wonders how many people in here are still trying to figure out what an "Afterburner" is for an F16 lens ** | |
| [20:50:00] | CyberKnet: | rtsai: er... you're #slr |
| [20:50:00] | Beirdo: | rtsai: and what mythtv topic do you wish to discuss? |
| [20:51:00] | Beirdo: | right... |
| [20:51:00] | kormoc: | rtsai, recording tv without a capture card, set up a tv and one of the cams wer're talking bout and guess what, tv on demand! |
| [20:51:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, I gotta go |
| [20:51:00] | Beirdo: | movie beckons |
| [20:51:00] | rtsai: | haha |
| [20:51:00] | Beirdo: | seeya all in a while |
| [20:51:00] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [20:52:00] | CyberKnet: | adios |
| [20:54:00] | rtsai: | anyone using mfd/mfe? |
| [20:56:00] | miketiger: | is there a command line option you can pass to mythfrontend to run in a window? |
| [20:56:00] | miketiger: | i know you can change it in the settings, but once in a while i'd like to just run it in a window |
| [20:56:00] | xris: | miketiger: I think it's only in the config, but maybe they added one while I wasn't looking. |
| [20:56:00] | Dibblah_: | I know what the response is going to be here, but I'll try anyway. |
| [20:56:00] | xris: | would make a nice override, though. |
| [20:56:00] | Dibblah_: | Any SVN Gentoo ebuilds? ;) |
| [20:57:00] | miketiger: | * dev-util/subversion Latest version available: 1.1.3 |
| [20:57:00] | travolta: | mythfrontend --geometry 640x480 |
| [20:57:00] | Dibblah_: | Errr... I actually meant Myth SVN :) |
| [20:57:00] | miketiger: | oh haha |
| [20:58:00] | Dibblah_: | Yeah. That was the response I was expecting. |
| [20:58:00] | miketiger: | travolta, not bad, any way to move it around? get a title bar perhaps? |
| [20:58:00] | Dibblah_: | Along with some -funroll-loops jokes thrown in for free. |
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| [20:59:00] | Dibblah_: | Ah! We've been waiting for you. |
| [20:59:00] | travolta: | to get a title bar, i think its in the myth settings in frontend |
| [20:59:00] | travolta: | with the title bar, you can move it |
| [20:59:00] | Dibblah_: | Sorry. http://samuel-beckett.net/Waiting_for_Godot_Part1.html |
| [20:59:00] | miketiger: | alrite ill take a look |
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| [21:00:00] | travolta: | oh, in kde , you can hold alt and you can move the window now |
| [21:00:00] | travolta: | with the mouse |
| [21:02:00] | TummyAcid: | hey all, kinda new to mythtv, im using knoppmyth with radeon tv pro or something like that |
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| [21:02:00] | TummyAcid: | when i try to configure input settings the frontend crashes |
| [21:03:00] | miketiger: | perfect, thats great thanks travolta |
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| [21:14:00] | TummyAcid: | tv wonder pro thats it |
| [21:14:00] | TummyAcid: | i am told this card works with mythtv? |
| [21:18:00] | D-side: | are you? |
| [21:18:00] | kormoc: | intresting, being told that, that is. |
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| [21:21:00] | ByteNik: | hey all |
| [21:21:00] | ByteNik: | long time no speak |
| [21:25:00] | ByteNik: | i have a myth-related alsa question (alsa is a weak point with me). I have an alsa device called "digital" that I output sound for myth. It points at my card's digital output. however, i also need analog output... it seems like I can only use my analog or my digital outputs independantly of one another.... is there any way to do both simultaneously? |
| [21:28:00] | D-side: | kormoc: it should. just bttv, iirc. |
| [21:29:00] | kormoc: | D-side, so? I just said it was intresting, being told that :P |
| [21:29:00] | ByteNik: | D-side: You're one of the red bank people, right? |
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| [21:41:00] | ceales: | anyone any experience of using mythtv with NOVA-T dvb (PCI) card and PVR 350 tv output – in UK ? I have very jittery output! |
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| [21:45:00] | xris: | can the 350 handle that much bandwidth? |
| [21:45:00] | D-side: | ByteNik: i am indeed. |
| [21:45:00] | D-side: | ByteNik: looking to move though, fairly quickly. |
| [21:45:00] | ByteNik: | D-side: Oh? |
| [21:45:00] | D-side: | yeah. long story. |
| [21:46:00] | ByteNik: | ah |
| [21:46:00] | D-side: | ByteNik: want some computer crap? everything must go. :) |
| [21:46:00] | ByteNik: | have you played with firewire over digital cable since we last spoke? |
| [21:46:00] | ByteNik: | lol |
| [21:46:00] | D-side: | jasoncohen: you too. |
| [21:46:00] | xris: | D-side: might I suggest a nice northwest location? |
| [21:46:00] | D-side: | xris: heh, i'd really like to get out of here, but the gf is loving her job in manhattan. |
| [21:46:00] | xris: | :( |
| [21:46:00] | xris: | well, good for her. bad for moving. |
| [21:47:00] | D-side: | yeah, we're getting thrown out on our ears. |
| [21:47:00] | ByteNik: | hmm... which is the myth key for changing zoom levels? |
| [21:47:00] | tenletSlack10: | xris: I goth mythTV working, how do i connect to a server to watch internet tv? |
| [21:48:00] | D-side: | ByteNik: i'm not kidding. if you like to collect old computer crap, i'm your man. |
| [21:48:00] | ByteNik: | does anyone remember off-hand the zoom level change key? |
| [21:48:00] | D-side: | ask keys.txt i guess. :) |
| [21:48:00] | ByteNik: | bleh. :P |
| [21:48:00] | ByteNik: | also, anyone on my alsa question? ^^ |
| [21:49:00] | kormoc: | ByteNik, answer is, very likly is a way, just none of us know it. |
| [21:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't think you can stream video off the net into myth. You can stream audio sources, or stream video out of myth, but I've never seen anything that will stream "into" it |
| [21:50:00] | tenletSlack10: | ive heard of internet tv being used on myth |
| [21:50:00] | ByteNik: | am I the only person that hates how myth kicks you out of the viewing window without letting you change sources if it doesn't receive data from a tuner card? |
| [21:50:00] | tenletSlack10: | just don't know how to load the server |
| [21:51:00] | ceales: | My PVR 350 can play back the DVB fine when I use mplayer with the ivtv patches but whe I play from mythtv pauses every half a second or so |
| [21:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | tenletSlack10: You might be right, but I've been using myth for years and never heard of anyone doing it :) |
| [21:51:00] | D-side: | ByteNik: no, surely not alone. |
| [21:51:00] | tenletSlack10: | oh ok |
| [21:51:00] | D-side: | bubt i havent had that issue in forever. |
| [21:51:00] | D-side: | "but" even. |
| [21:52:00] | ByteNik: | i still do... if i don't have enough strength on an HD channel, or if my cable box is off (for firewire) |
| [21:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | tenletSlack10: Doesn't mean noone has. I've just never seen it mentioned :) |
| [21:52:00] | tenletSlack10: | alright |
| [21:53:00] | tenletSlack10: | you ever heard of anyone streaming internet TV from a linux OS? |
| [21:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | Slack10 = Slackware 10? :) |
| [21:53:00] | tenletSlack10: | yes |
| [21:53:00] | tenletSlack10: | just installed a couple days ago |
| [21:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cool |
| [21:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | <<-- Slackware fan as well :) |
| [21:53:00] | tenletSlack10: | cool |
| [21:53:00] | ByteNik: | D-side: I also experience issues with HDTV being extremely jerky still |
| [21:53:00] | tenletSlack10: | still using? |
| [21:54:00] | ByteNik: | D-side: And the machine is running at around 78% idle. |
| [21:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | tenletSlack10: Always |
| [21:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | If it's gotta be linux, and I'm installig it, it's Slackware :) |
| [21:54:00] | tenletSlack10: | should be in ##slackware then :/ |
| [21:54:00] | ceales: | My machine also using no CPU – are you using PVR 350 for output too? |
| [21:54:00] | ByteNik: | No... an nvidia card. |
| [21:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [21:55:00] | ** GreyFoxx is a very long time slackware user :) ** | |
| [21:55:00] | ByteNik: | Its not really watchable... sound plays fine, but video skips frames |
| [21:55:00] | ByteNik: | but obviously its not a processor bottleneck. |
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| [21:56:00] | ByteNik: | D-side: You have HDTV working on your mythbox? |
| [21:56:00] | ceales: | My sound is also broken – I can record fine so I do not think it is disk issue – I also cannot play back the recordings in mythtv but I can play them back in mplayer |
| [21:56:00] | ByteNik: | I can play fine, it just looks crappy. |
| [21:57:00] | ByteNik: | let me try disabling the "better" video driver in mythfrontend |
| [21:58:00] | ByteNik: | it might be a libmpeg2 issue, though i doubt it |
| [21:59:00] | ByteNik: | hmm... with ffmpeg, I get tons of "prebuffering pause" errors, which I thought was fixed. :-/ |
| [21:59:00] | ceales: | let me look at my settings |
| [22:00:00] | ByteNik: | hmm... interestingly, xvmc handles it |
| [22:00:00] | beavis: | ByteNik: danielk is working on a patch |
| [22:00:00] | beavis: | ByteNik: it'll be solved soon |
| [22:00:00] | beavis: | ByteNik: http://www.cuymedia.net/patches/ |
| [22:01:00] | beavis: | ByteNik: Adds a signal monitoring On-Screen-Display user interface. This allows you to switch the channel after you tune to a channel that you can not currently get, say due to the weather. |
| [22:01:00] | ByteNik: | nice... but does it also fix the same problem with firewire? |
| [22:02:00] | D-side: | ByteNik: no HD here. |
| [22:02:00] | ByteNik: | D-side: You're not using comcast anymore? |
| [22:02:00] | D-side: | i am, but i never had HD with them. |
| [22:03:00] | ByteNik: | oh, haha, xvmc didn't fix it... nbc stopped broadcasting HD and switched to SD. :P |
| [22:03:00] | ByteNik: | so, I'm still having prebuffering pause issues |
| [22:04:00] | ByteNik: | its only on livetv |
| [22:04:00] | ByteNik: | seriously, i've had this problem for a year and a half... you'd think it would be fixed already |
| [22:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | So you are saying that you've had plenty of time to fix it and submit a patch ? :) |
| [22:05:00] | ByteNik: | i don't have that kind of time. |
| [22:05:00] | ByteNik: | i just put it aside for a while and come back every few months to see if its been improved |
| [22:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | If the devs were suffering from the same issues you can assume it would be fixed or improved. otherwise it's not as likely |
| [22:06:00] | ByteNik: | I see the same prebuffering pause issue reported periodically on the forums |
| [22:06:00] | ByteNik: | No fixes. |
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| [22:09:00] | beavis: | yes, me too. could be the ffmpeg update again |
| [22:09:00] | ByteNik: | i tried switching back to libmpeg2 |
| [22:10:00] | ByteNik: | hmm... oh wait.. |
| [22:10:00] | ByteNik: | "Couldn't load deinterlace filter kerneldint" |
| [22:10:00] | ByteNik: | I never noticed that before. |
| [22:14:00] | ByteNik: | hmm |
| [22:15:00] | ByteNik: | Switching to Bob kinda fixed it. |
| [22:15:00] | ByteNik: | let me try Bob on xvmc now |
| [22:15:00] | ByteNik: | hmm |
| [22:16:00] | ByteNik: | 19% CPU usage... and it looks like its fine now. |
| [22:16:00] | ByteNik: | nice |
| [22:16:00] | GreyFoxx: | sweet :) |
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| [22:16:00] | ByteNik: | What do I need to compile into the kernel to get kerneldeint suppor? |
| [22:16:00] | ByteNik: | support* |
| [22:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | I never had to compile anything to get it. It's just always been there. I didn;'t think it was optional |
| [22:17:00] | ByteNik: | heh, apparently not. :P |
| [22:17:00] | ByteNik: | And I do have SSE support on my CPU |
| [22:18:00] | ByteNik: | well, no matter. :D |
| [22:18:00] | ByteNik: | now all i need to do is get support working for alsa so I can use my modulator to watch myth throughout the house, and then I can replace my tivo once and for all |
| [22:19:00] | CyberKnet: | my expensive modulator got fucked |
| [22:19:00] | CyberKnet: | royally. |
| [22:19:00] | ByteNik: | I use a cheap $60 one |
| [22:19:00] | ByteNik: | and solder together a more permenant solution for lirc... right now I've got an IR receiver on a breadboard. |
| [22:19:00] | CyberKnet: | erm. my "expensive" modulator only cost about $65. |
| [22:19:00] | CyberKnet: | but it is a modulator/combiner |
| [22:19:00] | ByteNik: | Oh... that's not expensive for a modulator. |
| [22:20:00] | ByteNik: | Unless you just mean a channel 3 only type modulator? |
| [22:20:00] | CyberKnet: | with a powered four way splitter built in. |
| [22:20:00] | CyberKnet: | No, it does a wide range of channels. |
| [22:20:00] | ByteNik: | oh |
| [22:20:00] | ByteNik: | then, that's not expensive... good ones are in the hundreds |
| [22:20:00] | CyberKnet: | it's expensive for it to be fucked =) |
| [22:20:00] | ByteNik: | I've never seen a modulator/combiner before though... who makes it? |
| [22:20:00] | CyberKnet: | ChannelPlus |
| [22:21:00] | CyberKnet: | 3015 maybe? |
| [22:21:00] | ByteNik: | i have the cheapest channevision one |
| [22:21:00] | ByteNik: | channelvision* |
| [22:21:00] | CyberKnet: | yep, a channelplus 3015 |
| [22:22:00] | ByteNik: | i'm so excited that this is working |
| [22:22:00] | CyberKnet: | 1 in, 4 out, combines onto your existing signal, but it doesn't notch out the channel you choose. |
| [22:23:00] | CyberKnet: | you need to make sure the channel is empty yourself. |
| [22:23:00] | CyberKnet: | but in the last power outage it got damaged, and now it modulates all fuzzy. |
| [22:23:00] | ByteNik: | ahh, similar to me, except I don't have a 4 out |
| [22:24:00] | ByteNik: | but, I have a modulator input on my amplifier |
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| [22:24:00] | ByteNik: | But I have to low-pass filter myself. |
| [22:24:00] | CyberKnet: | I use it just as an amplified splitter now |
| [22:24:00] | CyberKnet: | and it works well for that. |
| [22:24:00] | CyberKnet: | but very expensive for that =P" |
| [22:24:00] | ByteNik: | yeah |
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| [22:25:00] | CyberKnet: | maybe I'll be able to fix the modulator part of it. |
| [22:31:00] | ByteNik: | bbiab |
| [22:40:00] | ** xris wonders if it's worth keeping adsense active... ** | |
| [22:40:00] | xris: | should put them onto nuvexport's pages. |
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| [22:45:00] | hadees: | it would be nice if nuvexport had some gui tie-ins |
| [22:45:00] | hadees: | then again it would be a pain in the ass also |
| [22:45:00] | hadees: | mabey mythweb |
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| [22:57:00] | xris: | hadees: trust me, you're not the first to suggest it. |
| [22:58:00] | xris: | I want to get some of mythweb's gui API cleaned up before I start adding that kind of stuff, though. |
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| [22:59:00] | CyberKnet: | mythweb has a gui api? |
| [23:01:00] | xris: | sort of |
| [23:01:00] | xris: | thus my desire to clean it up. |
| [23:02:00] | xris: | but since I'm basically starting from scratch, I'm doing most of that design work for my cooking wiki. |
| [23:02:00] | xris: | wonder how many people I'd piss off if I made it essentially require a virtual host.... |
| [23:03:00] | CyberKnet: | a great many |
| [23:04:00] | CyberKnet: | myself included =P" |
| [23:04:00] | xris: | it's a security thing. store most scripts outside of the browseable web tree. |
| [23:04:00] | xris: | but yeah, I'll probably not do that. |
| [23:05:00] | CyberKnet: | can't you enforce that via .htaccess? |
| [23:05:00] | xris: | you can. until someone hacks apache so that it doesn't honor .htaccess... |
| [23:05:00] | xris: | just a security thing. |
| [23:05:00] | Esoteric: | anyone heard when the next mythtv version is due out? |
| [23:05:00] | Chutt: | 2008 |
| [23:05:00] | xris: | afaik, a long time. heh. |
| [23:05:00] | CyberKnet: | heh! |
| [23:06:00] | ** xris hopes that by then someone will have made mythmusic usable. ** | |
| [23:06:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: what's stopping us from storing scripts outside the browsable directory without a virtual host? |
| [23:06:00] | Chutt: | it's plenty useable |
| [23:06:00] | xris: | CyberKnet: nothing... |
| [23:06:00] | xris: | Chutt: you ever try to browse it with 20k tracks? |
| [23:07:00] | Chutt: | no |
| [23:07:00] | Chutt: | but, what's stopping that? |
| [23:07:00] | xris: | takes 15–25 seconds per click to browse through the list. |
| [23:07:00] | CyberKnet: | it's probably like trying to browse the program finder with 500+ channels =) |
| [23:07:00] | xris: | setting up a playlist is basically impossible. |
| [23:07:00] | Chutt: | oh, scrolling's slow? |
| [23:07:00] | xris: | then again, I haven't tried it in ages. |
| [23:08:00] | xris: | not just scrolling, but stuff like browsing into a new index letter, etc. |
| [23:08:00] | xris: | but yes, just slow. VERY slow. |
| [23:08:00] | Chutt: | well, that's a ui issue =) |
| [23:08:00] | xris: | yes. |
| [23:08:00] | xris: | too bad apple patented the itunes look (dunno how rhythmbox gets around it).. that's a nice way to look at things. |
| [23:08:00] | Chutt: | neither works for a remote control. |
| [23:08:00] | CyberKnet: | (btw, there is nothing wrong with browsing in the program finder with 500+ channels. it's the loading that takes a while) |
| [23:09:00] | xris: | yeah, I know... but one-by-one sucks for a remote, too. |
| [23:09:00] | Chutt: | the page up/down buttons work |
| [23:09:00] | Chutt: | splitting the artists up a little more would help more |
| [23:10:00] | xris: | well, I meant the way that itunes can filter.. pick a genre, and then it only shows artists in that genre, etc. |
| [23:10:00] | xris: | could easily do that with a remote. |
| [23:10:00] | xris: | and the playlist-maker integrated with the player. |
| [23:10:00] | Chutt: | you can do that now, actually |
| [23:10:00] | xris: | that's cool. I'll have to see if it's any faster now. |
| [23:10:00] | xris: | was completely unusable before. |
| [23:10:00] | Chutt: | it probably isn't |
| [23:11:00] | Chutt: | well, i fixed one thing that was scrolling slow |
| [23:11:00] | Chutt: | but, decided that it would be too difficult to fix the rest |
| [23:11:00] | Chutt: | it _is_ fixed in mythui, though |
| [23:11:00] | xris: | I'm patient. I usually just ssh into my mythbox and run xmms. :) |
| [23:12:00] | CyberKnet: | mythui rocks. |
| [23:12:00] | Chutt: | i just stuck 20k items in one list, scrolls as fast as 2 |
| [23:12:00] | CyberKnet: | the multiple-redraws that will be eliminated will be great. |
| [23:12:00] | Chutt: | whadday mean, multiple redraws? :p |
| [23:12:00] | xris: | nice. |
| [23:12:00] | CyberKnet: | ;)) |
| [23:12:00] | Chutt: | if you use opengl, it's drawing at ~30fps |
| [23:13:00] | CyberKnet: | just can't wait. |
| [23:13:00] | ** xris pokes GeckoFiend again about mythmovietime + mythweb. ** | |
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| [23:14:00] | CyberKnet: | makes me wish I knew some opengl to help out ;) And some c++. and that I didn't suck at both those things. |
| [23:14:00] | CyberKnet: | I'm gonna stop being such a typical user right now. =) |
| [23:14:00] | Chutt: | oh, the gl stuff's done, really |
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| [23:15:00] | ** xris just wishes he had TIME to work on all of his projects. ** | |
| [23:15:00] | CyberKnet: | still using a QT canvas, or is that converted over too now? (not too sure if I said that right) |
| [23:16:00] | CyberKnet: | in fact, I'm pretty sure I said that wrong, but I dont know how to say it right. |
| [23:16:00] | CyberKnet: | sorry :| |
| [23:16:00] | Chutt: | it's using a qt widget |
| [23:16:00] | Chutt: | for the window |
| [23:17:00] | CyberKnet: | we use QT for a lot more than widgets though, right? I mean, we're not losing the QT dependancy any time soon are we? |
| [23:17:00] | Chutt: | right |
| [23:17:00] | CyberKnet: | just making sure I had a clear view of things. |
| [23:17:00] | Chutt: | font rendering, etc |
| [23:18:00] | Chutt: | all the convenience classes |
| [23:18:00] | Chutt: | sql abstraction |
| [23:18:00] | Chutt: | sockets |
| [23:18:00] | Chutt: | object model |
| [23:18:00] | CyberKnet: | yeah, it's very convenient to not have to code our own libraries for all those things. |
| [23:18:00] | Chutt: | timers, signals + slots, event loop |
| [23:19:00] | CyberKnet: | I use the royal "our" there, but really I've only submitted two mythweb patches. I'd appreciate it if you could forgive my seeming ignorance. |
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| [23:20:00] | Chutt: | <shrug> |
| [23:20:00] | CyberKnet: | was there talk a while back about using something other than QT for drawing? Like being able to change it out |
| [23:20:00] | Chutt: | that's what mythui does |
| [23:20:00] | CyberKnet: | I think you referred to it as the "painter" |
| [23:20:00] | Chutt: | currently can switch between qt and opengl for drawing |
| [23:21:00] | CyberKnet: | but ultimately a QT window under both? |
| [23:21:00] | Chutt: | right |
| [23:21:00] | Chutt: | all that does is stuff like window creating and sizing |
| [23:21:00] | ** xris wishes that position:fixed actually worked. ** | |
| [23:22:00] | CyberKnet: | so someone could make a gnome painter(?) that drew on the qt window if they *really* felt the need |
| [23:22:00] | Chutt: | gtk and qt don't mix |
| [23:22:00] | Chutt: | :p |
| [23:23:00] | xris: | Chutt: that's pretty cool, actually... just paint into the window, and the window's handler draws it however you tell it? |
| [23:23:00] | Chutt: | no |
| [23:23:00] | Chutt: | what you do is create an object (image/text/animation/button/etc) |
| [23:23:00] | Chutt: | position it |
| [23:23:00] | Chutt: | and the current painter object draws it |
| [23:24:00] | xris: | ah |
| [23:24:00] | Chutt: | little more complicated, but, that's about it |
| [23:24:00] | Chutt: | so you can switch the painter out, and it'll draw things slightly differently |
| [23:24:00] | CyberKnet: | so long as it can "draw" its self on a QT base. |
| [23:24:00] | Chutt: | well, opengl isn't |
| [23:24:00] | xris: | ok, that makes sense.. just one more layer than I thought. |
| [23:25:00] | CyberKnet: | open gl isn't what? |
| [23:25:00] | Chutt: | but since all of myth's ui is basically images and text, it's all built up from those two drawing actions |
| [23:25:00] | Chutt: | it's drawing on top of the qt window |
| [23:25:00] | Chutt: | not into it |
| [23:25:00] | CyberKnet: | okay. I didn't make that distinction. |
| [23:25:00] | xris: | wonder how many people would freak of gl was required... could do all KINDS of cool osx-like things with the themes. |
| [23:25:00] | Chutt: | have you run the test app |
| [23:26:00] | CyberKnet: | I currently have an ATI Rage IIc |
| [23:26:00] | CyberKnet: | in the myth box |
| [23:26:00] | xris: | didn't know there was a test ap |
| [23:26:00] | xris: | p |
| [23:26:00] | Chutt: | programs/mythuitest |
| [23:26:00] | xris: | just compile and run? |
| [23:26:00] | Chutt: | should be compiled already |
| [23:26:00] | Chutt: | run it from that dir |
| [23:27:00] | Chutt: | it looks best with gant as the theme |
| [23:27:00] | Chutt: | colors aren't configurable yet |
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| [23:27:00] | ** xris curses.. no svn on my workstation at work yet. ** | |
| [23:28:00] | xris: | that's what I get for doing everything remotely |
| [23:28:00] | Chutt: | oh, and it'll run best at 800x600 |
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| [23:28:00] | xris: | heh. I run 2560x1024 at work. |
| [23:28:00] | CyberKnet: | Chutt: is that because that is what the theme is natively rendered at? |
| [23:29:00] | Chutt: | yeah |
| [23:29:00] | Chutt: | the test app assumes it's at 800x600, is all |
| [23:29:00] | CyberKnet: | same as with the current ui |
| [23:29:00] | CyberKnet: | oh |
| [23:29:00] | CyberKnet: | =) |
| [23:29:00] | CyberKnet: | one of these days... heh |
| [23:29:00] | Chutt: | well, everything will scale except the very first screen |
| [23:30:00] | jams: | is that initial screen flicking fixed ? |
| [23:30:00] | Chutt: | naw, i'm not going to bother looking in to it |
| [23:30:00] | Chutt: | naw, i'm not going to bother looking in to it |
| [23:30:00] | Chutt: | erk |
| [23:30:00] | xris: | I'll have to test when I get home. |
| [23:30:00] | Chutt: | someone else can, it doesn't bother me too much =) |
| [23:31:00] | jams: | just wondering..i'm sure there are more important things to be done |
| [23:31:00] | Chutt: | xris, basically, it crossfades between screens |
| [23:31:00] | Chutt: | has a 'mythtv' logo fading in and out on the left side of the screen |
| [23:32:00] | Chutt: | continually throughout the app, since it's part of the background screen |
| [23:32:00] | xris: | nice |
| [23:32:00] | Chutt: | hrm... the first screen's got a [ Press any key to continue ] that colorshifts from orange to white |
| [23:32:00] | xris: | I was thinking more of like a genie effect that expands from/to the button that generates the new page. |
| [23:32:00] | Chutt: | it handles animations |
| [23:32:00] | Chutt: | movement of individual items on screen |
| [23:33:00] | Chutt: | and it's a lot better about redrawing stuff than the old ui code was |
| [23:33:00] | Chutt: | oh, and should make mouse support relatively easy |
| [23:33:00] | xris: | that's good. should make a lot of people happy with that. |
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| [23:34:00] | ** CyberKnet extolls the virtues of svn =) ** | |
| [23:34:00] | Chutt: | much cleaner code |
| [23:35:00] | Chutt: | since i wrote all of it =) |
| [23:35:00] | Chutt: | instead of it being glommed all together from multiple people |
| [23:35:00] | xris: | lol |
| [23:35:00] | xris: | CyberKnet: I agree |
| [23:36:00] | xris: | Chutt: I know how that feels... though writing new code from scratch helps, too.... no mixture of half-learned new techniques, etc. |
| [23:36:00] | Chutt: | well, the base of the ui code was written by john danner |
| [23:36:00] | CyberKnet: | I didn't know that. how interesting. |
| [23:36:00] | Chutt: | and he lifted it from the osd code, but was really one of the first real things he wrote outside of school |
| [23:37:00] | CyberKnet: | Chutt: is there an interesting story behind why coded it instead of you? |
| [23:37:00] | Chutt: | he had time |
| [23:37:00] | CyberKnet: | heh =) |
| [23:37:00] | CyberKnet: | We'll have to write a "History of MythTV" coffee table book some time =) |
| [23:37:00] | xris: | heh |
| [23:38:00] | CyberKnet: | "I remember it well, it was the summer of 1998, and it seemed like it should just be so easy..." |
| [23:38:00] | CyberKnet: | =) |
| [23:38:00] | Chutt: | it was easy |
| [23:38:00] | Chutt: | i had live-tv working in a week |
| [23:38:00] | CyberKnet: | "and then came the damn users!" |
| [23:39:00] | CyberKnet: | well, you're a regular programming deity. =) |
| [23:39:00] | Chutt: | none of this stuff's terribly difficult |
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| [23:39:00] | Chutt: | keep wondering why there aren't more pvr apps for linux |
| [23:40:00] | CyberKnet: | not to be disrespectful or anything, but for such easy stuff we sure have a lot of commits. |
| [23:40:00] | CyberKnet: | a lot of it is for new features, but a substantial amount is bug fixes too. |
| [23:40:00] | Chutt: | sure |
| [23:41:00] | CyberKnet: | But there sure he a heck of a lot of diversity in Myth now. |
| [23:41:00] | CyberKnet: | s/he/is/ |
| [23:41:00] | Chutt: | always going to have bugs, and there's lots of lines of codes for bugs to be in =) |
| [23:41:00] | Chutt: | time to make dinner |
| [23:41:00] | CyberKnet: | adios. |
| [23:42:00] | GeckoFiend: | CyberKnet the number of hardware configurations has changed signiifcantly since he first wrote it too |
| [23:42:00] | xris: | heh |
| [23:42:00] | xris: | and that's why there are more tivo boxes than mythtv boxes.... |
| [23:42:00] | CyberKnet: | GeckoFiend: absolutely. I'm not trying to suggest that anyone is doing a bad job, please dont think I'm criticizing anyone. |
| [23:42:00] | CyberKnet: | I'm just saying this stuff is harder than it first appears. |
| [23:43:00] | CyberKnet: | especially in light of the diversity of the project |
| [23:43:00] | CyberKnet: | simultaneously tuner wise, display wise and coder wise. |
| [23:43:00] | CyberKnet: | that's all. |
| [23:43:00] | CyberKnet: | Actually, when I said it I meant it rather as a compliment. |
| [23:44:00] | CyberKnet: | ala "You're underrating the difficulty of the work you are doing, you're doing a fantastic job." |
| [23:44:00] | xris: | it's all over my head. |
| [23:44:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: as surely as it is over mine. |
| [23:44:00] | xris: | I have enough trouble managing my own big project at work, and mythtv is far more complex. |
| [23:45:00] | GeckoFiend: | CyberKnet heh didn't think you were trashing anyone just saying is all |
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| [23:45:00] | CyberKnet: | GeckoFiend: =) |
| [23:46:00] | CyberKnet: | GeckoFiend: I appreciate and support our devs completely =) |
| [23:46:00] | CyberKnet: | not to come across as a brown-noser =) |
| [23:47:00] | CyberKnet: | I like the way patches are here listed as tickets. |
| [23:47:00] | CyberKnet: | in trac, that is. |
| [23:47:00] | CyberKnet: | hard(er) for patches to get lost & forgotten this way. |
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| [23:50:00] | xris: | yeah, trac is cool. |
| [23:50:00] | xris: | just need to fix about a billion bugs. |
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| [23:53:00] | riddlebox: | hrmm I have everything setup for mythtv, just need my card to come in :) |
| [23:57:00] | jcap: | I wish trac were in perl :( |
| [23:57:00] | jcap: | my only complaint really |
| [23:57:00] | Atamido: | If only life were in perl. |
| [23:57:00] | jcap: | and that's hardly a complaint |
| [23:57:00] | jcap: | Atamido, hehe |
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| [23:58:00] | Atamido: | Imagine how much easier life would be if you could just script it. |
| [23:58:00] | CyberKnet: | I'd like to be replaced by a small shell script. |
| [23:58:00] | CyberKnet: | it wouldn't be too hard. |
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