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Thursday, June 23rd, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] emilylove: im sooo sorry! my parents called me away...did I miss anything?
[00:01:00] fatmatt: yes, there was a party.
[00:01:00] emilylove: RegAGPRate=2 iirc? what is iirc?
[00:01:00] emilylove: aww? did I miss any of the refreshments?
[00:01:00] jonK: "if i recal correctly"
[00:01:00] emilylove: oh heh
[00:01:00] emilylove: just put that in the xorg.conf?
[00:02:00] emilylove: or just type it in at the shell?
[00:02:00] kormoc: ooh, it's a module extra
[00:02:00] kormoc: modprobe nvidia RegAGPRate=2
[00:03:00] kormoc: after rmmod nvidia of course
[00:03:00] kormoc: then cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[00:03:00] kormoc: and it should say 2x
[00:03:00] emilylove: its in use
[00:03:00] emilylove: *grumble
[00:04:00] emilylove: wait I think I can fix that
[00:04:00] kormoc: yeah, you'll need to exit X first
[00:04:00] emilylove: ok when I do a killall -9 X it just restarts again
[00:04:00] emilylove: how do I permanantly kill the stupid thing? this plagued me last night too..I ended up setting my runlevel to 3 I think, but there has to be a better way
[00:05:00] kormoc: what distro?
[00:05:00] emilylove: FC3
[00:05:00] kormoc: I think setting your run level is the only way :/
[00:05:00] emilylove: ok
[00:05:00] Agrajag-: are you using a login manager?
[00:05:00] ** kormoc doesn't really run fedora. **
[00:05:00] Agrajag-: if so, stop it
[00:05:00] Agrajag-: (like kdm/xdm/gdm)
[00:05:00] emilylove: I think I am...how do I stop it?
[00:06:00] Agrajag-: /etc/init.d/[x|k|g]dm stop
[00:06:00] j-rod: bzzt
[00:06:00] Agrajag-: well that's how i'd do it with debian...
[00:06:00] j-rod: yup
[00:06:00] j-rod: not w/FC
[00:07:00] MrSpiffy: emilylove, just tuned in – I run Fedora – what would you like to do?
[00:07:00] j-rod: init 3 to halt X
[00:07:00] kormoc: MrSpiffy, stop X from loading
[00:07:00] MrSpiffy: simple
[00:07:00] emilylove: MrSpiffy: having problems with freezing overall
[00:07:00] Agrajag-: eh.. can you seriuosly not stop your login manager from running
[00:07:00] Agrajag-: without changing runlevel
[00:07:00] kormoc: in fc/rh, that's right
[00:08:00] MrSpiffy: emilylove, for starters edit your /etc/inittab file – change the default run level from :5 to :3
[00:08:00] j-rod: RH calls the display manager from inittab
[00:08:00] kormoc: MrSpiffy, she only wants to do it right now
[00:08:00] kormoc: MrSpiffy, not forever
[00:08:00] emilylove: ya true
[00:08:00] emilylove: but thanks! I want to do that permantly on another machine! :-)
[00:08:00] MrSpiffy: emilylove, on reboot you will login to a command prompt – then do what you need to do. when you want to go into X just type startx – when done, change the run level back to 5
[00:09:00] emilylove: how do I change the runlevel then? sorry I don't have google right now...I have to do web through lynx
[00:09:00] emilylove: it was something 3
[00:09:00] j-rod: init 3
[00:09:00] kormoc: init 3
[00:09:00] kormoc: :P
[00:09:00] emilylove: oh hmm
[00:09:00] emilylove: that isn't the command I ran last night...
[00:09:00] emilylove: it started with an l...
[00:10:00] emilylove: well init works! :-) thanks!..much easier to remember too
[00:10:00] kormoc: emilylove, when in doubt, trust j-rod, he puts us all to shame in linux stuff :)
[00:10:00] j-rod: heh
[00:10:00] j-rod: :)
[00:10:00] j-rod: RH/FC maybe, other distros not as much
[00:10:00] emilylove: RegAGPRate = 2 : unknown parameter
[00:10:00] kormoc: try...
[00:11:00] kormoc: NVreg_ReqAGPRate=2 ?
[00:12:00] emilylove: ha ha now the status is "disabled"
[00:12:00] j-rod: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7667/README.txt
[00:12:00] emilylove: it looked like it loaded
[00:12:00] emilylove: I read that last night j-rod...have it printed out actually...about 50 pages
[00:12:00] kormoc: emilylove, well, see if it works now? maybe it won't do 2x or 1x...
[00:13:00] emilylove: ok..im checking it out
[00:13:00] kormoc: emilylove, giving it's just for a mythbox (I'm assuming?) you don't really need agp rates unless it's for hdtv.
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[00:13:00] kormoc: j-rod, yeah, I know, I was too lazy to look up the right parm name :P
[00:13:00] ** MrSpiffy is trying to trancode Death to Smoochy **
[00:13:00] kormoc: how spiffy!
[00:14:00] MrSpiffy: very
[00:14:00] emilylove: still says 4x
[00:14:00] MrSpiffy: however nuvexport to divx is not very spiffy
[00:14:00] kormoc: emilylove, so what said disabled then?
[00:14:00] MrSpiffy: terrible actually
[00:14:00] emilylove: I can't go out ont he web unless I reboot my windows box..my firewall crashed and its now blocking all web traffic *grumble*
[00:14:00] j-rod: have you tried backing off the agp speed in the bios?
[00:14:00] emilylove: at least Im still here..thought I don't know why
[00:14:00] emilylove: hmmmm...
[00:15:00] emilylove: good idea j-rod..let me check that out
[00:15:00] kormoc: j-rod, I sudgested to try the module path first, it tends to be easier to trouble shoot then to reboot a few times :P
[00:15:00] emilylove: its a 5700LE...sorry not a 5700, if that makes any diff
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[00:17:00] j-rod: yeah, module route first is good
[00:17:00] j-rod: just threw the bios way out since the module route didn't seem to work
[00:17:00] j-rod: though wait a sec...
[00:17:00] j-rod: emilylove, did you rmmod the nvidia module before trying to load it w/that param?
[00:18:00] kormoc: I wonder if she's using agpgart, cause agpgard won't respect the nvidia agp rate request parm.
[00:18:00] emilylove: well, nothing about it in the bios
[00:18:00] emilylove: yes I rmmod nvidia
[00:18:00] j-rod: heh, oh, okay, then yeah, that won't do anything
[00:18:00] j-rod: she's using agpgart
[00:18:00] emilylove: what is agpgart?
[00:18:00] kormoc: that could be the issue then...
[00:18:00] j-rod: an agp driver
[00:19:00] kormoc: j-rod, easy way to disable agpgart in fc?
[00:19:00] j-rod: nvidia provides their own, but you can't use it on FC
[00:19:00] j-rod: can't
[00:19:00] j-rod: its built into their kernels
[00:19:00] j-rod: (as opposed to being built as a module)
[00:19:00] j-rod: never been a problem for me though
[00:20:00] j-rod: well, not can't
[00:20:00] emilylove: hmm
[00:20:00] j-rod: but you'd need to build your own kernel
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[00:20:00] emilylove: any other ideas? you guys are the experts...
[00:20:00] j-rod: however, I've had at least 10 RH/FC boxes/installs that haven't had a problem using the nvidia driver and agpgart
[00:21:00] kormoc: j-rod, it's all about the chipset
[00:21:00] kormoc: j-rod, I can't use agp-gart on my I875 at 8x/4x, but can at 2x. hence why I use nvagp
[00:22:00] kormoc: j-rod, I've run into a number of issues with agpgart not working right, and a number of issues with nvagp not working right
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[00:22:00] emilylove: so you are all thinking i might have to start all over on this with a diff. distro?
[00:23:00] kormoc: or just compile your own kernel
[00:23:00] kormoc: it's not as hard as one might think.
[00:23:00] emilylove: oh? I've never done it...
[00:23:00] emilylove: any other ideas of what it might be?
[00:24:00] kormoc: honestly, I'd lean towards agpgart at this time, given nothing else seems to be wrong
[00:24:00] kormoc: what's the mobo chipset?
[00:25:00] emilylove: argra yes I did it back in red hat 6 ages ago...
[00:25:00] emilylove: oops *blush*
[00:25:00] emilylove: I was scrolled up and answered a question from like half an hour ago
[00:25:00] emilylove: the mobo chipset?
[00:25:00] kormoc: yeah
[00:26:00] j-rod: kormoc, yeah, I've heard of issues with both...
[00:26:00] emilylove: oh the motherboard...
[00:26:00] emilylove: um...gosh its old...
[00:26:00] emilylove: its an ECS mb
[00:26:00] j-rod: K7S5A?
[00:26:00] emilylove: not sure what chipset exactly its using
[00:26:00] j-rod: cpu?
[00:26:00] emilylove: Id don't have the manual with me...I could get it in a couple hours
[00:27:00] emilylove: P3 1.0Ghz
[00:27:00] emilylove: its got like 6pci slots and one AGP slot
[00:27:00] j-rod: ok, not a K7S5A. :)
[00:27:00] j-rod: (athlon board)
[00:27:00] emilylove: ahhh
[00:28:00] j-rod: the other fun thing is that some video cards work fine with some chipsets, while others don't...
[00:28:00] emilylove: when I run the generic drive it doesn't crash in kde any more for those who arrived late
[00:28:00] j-rod: what driver version is it? the latest?
[00:28:00] j-rod: and what card exactly?
[00:29:00] emilylove: ok its an albatron card...5700LE
[00:29:00] ** j-rod scrolls up a ways... **
[00:29:00] kormoc: ya, the latest and a FX 5700LE
[00:29:00] emilylove: and the driver version is the latest..just dled it yesterday
[00:30:00] emilylove: maybe if I tried another driver? I didn't do the driver with apt-get...
[00:30:00] j-rod: the latest driver seems to have a few bugs in it
[00:30:00] emilylove: hmm
[00:30:00] emilylove: should I do the one at the wilsonnet set j-rod?
[00:30:00] emilylove: I could try the apt-get again
[00:30:00] emilylove: will that mess me up if I do?
[00:31:00] j-rod: might be worth trying
[00:31:00] j-rod: you don't have RenderAccel set in your xorg.conf do you?
[00:31:00] emilylove: um..let me look
[00:31:00] emilylove: I don't see that anywhere
[00:31:00] kormoc: j-rod, no she doesn't
[00:31:00] j-rod: going from the nvidia-installer to atrpms packages may require a little clean-up
[00:32:00] j-rod: might be easier to just grab the 7174 installer from nvidia
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[00:32:00] emilylove: whatever you think is easier...
[00:33:00] j-rod: for the moment, I'd just grab the installer from nvidia
[00:33:00] emilylove: I honestly havn't messed much with drivers in the past so I've already learned a heck of a lot from you guys
[00:33:00] emilylove: ok I'll do that
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[00:34:00] emilylove: I'll be back, I'm gonna reboot my windows machine...
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[00:36:00] j-rod: kormoc, you got her whole xorg.conf?
[00:36:00] kormoc: j-rod, yeah
[00:36:00] j-rod: I presume load dri was commented/deleted out of it
[00:37:00] kormoc: http://rafb.net/paste/results/qwLHYY23.html <-- xorg.conf
[00:37:00] kormoc: http://rafb.net/paste/results/cuhLkq54.html <-- xorg log
[00:37:00] j-rod: ah, no, it isn't
[00:37:00] j-rod: mas problemas
[00:37:00] kormoc: j-rod, yeah, first thing I had her do
[00:37:00] j-rod: oh
[00:37:00] j-rod: :)
[00:37:00] j-rod: sorry
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[00:38:00] kormoc: tis okay :)
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[00:41:00] emilylove: yay! im back! hope you aren't all sad about that...
[00:42:00] kormoc: Welcome back :)
[00:42:00] emilylove: thank you!
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[00:43:00] emilylove: well it dled 30% and stopped...and now It won't dl anymore..its like the site went down
[00:44:00] jsldub: i've got a question i didn't see in the faq. why is it when i type numbers in one of the "file associateions" set windows in mythtv, i get garbage content on the screen, but this works normally in the mythtvsetup program?
[00:44:00] j-rod: here's another thing to try...
[00:44:00] j-rod: under the Device section
[00:44:00] j-rod: Option "AgpMode" "2"
[00:44:00] emilylove: ok...ill ltry that first j-rod
[00:46:00] emilylove: what is the proc I have to cat again?
[00:46:00] j-rod: there's a long thread on the xorg mailing list about lots of folks with similar problems...
[00:46:00] j-rod: http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2 . . . /007062.html
[00:47:00] emilylove: thanks..ya you're right..looks identical
[00:47:00] jsldub: why is it that when mplayer is run inside of mythtv, it does not have keyboard control, but witht he exact same options, it works the rest of the time?
[00:47:00] Agrajag-: focus
[00:47:00] j-rod: yup
[00:48:00] j-rod: worksforme
[00:48:00] emilylove: I mean, how do I check wether it is running at 2x now?
[00:48:00] j-rod: sorry, started in w/the mplayer convo. :)
[00:48:00] j-rod: that I don't remember offhand (the place in proc to look)
[00:48:00] kormoc: /proc/drivers/nvidia/agp/status
[00:49:00] emilylove: thanks kormoc!
[00:49:00] j-rod: look at what's in the xorg log if it isn't 2, might not have had the setting name quite right
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[00:49:00] emilylove: DRIVER AGPGART / AGP Rate 4x
[00:49:00] emilylove: bah
[00:50:00] j-rod: check the log, see if it says anything about an unrecognized optoin
[00:50:00] emilylove: ok
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[00:51:00] emilylove: hey! it still says DPMS enabled....didn't I disable that
[00:51:00] emilylove: oh it and says "NVIDIA(0): Option "AgpMode" is not used
[00:51:00] crash-x: lol does it still not work?
[00:51:00] j-rod: pooh
[00:52:00] j-rod: Option "AGPMode" "2" instead? :)
[00:52:00] ** j-rod is reaching at straws, can't recall if maybe the case matters... **
[00:52:00] j-rod: :)
[00:53:00] emilylove: theres a section in the readme about changeing the AGP Rate...did you see that?
[00:53:00] j-rod: seems maybe a kernel w/modular agpgart is the way to go so you can use nvagp...
[00:53:00] j-rod: yeah, but that's for nvagp, it would seem
[00:54:00] kormoc: yeah
[00:54:00] kormoc: agpgart has a option somewhere...
[00:54:00] kormoc: will need to append it to the kernel line
[00:55:00] emilylove: still 4x
[00:55:00] emilylove: maybe I'm putting AGPRate in the wrong spot? I'm putting it in "Device"
[00:56:00] j-rod: I believe that's the right spot for it
[00:56:00] emilylove: how about this?
[00:56:00] emilylove: Option "NvAgp" "1" ... use NVAGP, if possible
[00:56:00] j-rod: may indeed have to be an option passed to the kernel a boot time
[00:56:00] j-rod: won't work
[00:57:00] emilylove: it looks like that disables the other AGP stuff
[00:57:00] emilylove: oh
[00:57:00] emilylove: it says the default is:
[00:57:00] emilylove: Option "NvAGP" "3" ... try AGPGART; if that fails, try NVAGP
[00:57:00] emilylove: so it is configured by default to use AGPGART
[00:58:00] kormoc: yup
[00:58:00] kormoc: cause if agpgart is loaded, loading nvagp will be a bad idea
[00:58:00] emilylove: ahhh I see
[00:58:00] emilylove: ok, well, I'm just trying to help in my limited way heh
[00:58:00] jsldub: why would i get a message about not being able to connect to master backend server? i only have one machine doing all this.
[00:59:00] jsldub: the same addresses were put in for both
[00:59:00] kormoc: emilylove, yeah, tis cool :)
[00:59:00] emilylove: heh as one of you pointed out earlier..I *AM* only a girl :-p
[01:01:00] kormoc: nah, you're just new at this :)
[01:01:00] emilylove: so If I change the xorg.conf and then killall -9 X and it reloads...does that xorg take affect?
[01:01:00] kormoc: okay, it appears the kernel option is
[01:01:00] kormoc: agprate=2
[01:01:00] fatmatt: I've got Option "AGPMode" "4" if its a syntax issue
[01:01:00] kormoc: yeah
[01:01:00] fatmatt: and I'm using apgart
[01:01:00] emilylove: the kernel option? you mean to like compile it?
[01:01:00] kormoc: fatmatt, can you set it to 2 and see if it drops yours down to 2x
[01:01:00] kormoc: emilylove, nah, you using grub?
[01:02:00] fatmatt: kormoc: I'd need to reboot, maybe later...
[01:02:00] emilylove: kormac I don't think so..whatever fc3 had for default
[01:02:00] kormoc: fatmatt, no, just restart x would be enough if it's a x option...
[01:02:00] emilylove: I don't have a prompt like LILO: or anything
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[01:03:00] emilylove: well assuming I am using grub..where Do I go to change it?
[01:03:00] kormoc: emilylove, well, basically there's a line that grub or lilo uses, and you'd just tac that onto the end and reboot and it'd do it's thing
[01:03:00] kormoc: edit /boot/grub/grub.conf
[01:03:00] emilylove: ok..where do I put it in here?
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[01:03:00] kormoc: you see a line that's like
[01:04:00] kormoc: kernel /blahblah blah blah root=blahblah?
[01:04:00] emilylove: yes...two of them...
[01:04:00] emilylove: I'm assuming one got added when I did the apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:04:00] kormoc: just tack on the end of them agprate=2
[01:04:00] kormoc: yeah, very likly
[01:05:00] emilylove: ok, reboot?
[01:05:00] emilylove: ok rebooted..here we go
[01:05:00] kormoc: yeah, alas
[01:05:00] kormoc: and I'm not sure if it'll work
[01:06:00] emilylove: well we'll see
[01:06:00] emilylove: I've learned a heck of a lot here if nothign else...but Id still like to get it working...
[01:06:00] j-rod: jsldub, is the backend server actually running?
[01:07:00] emilylove: I saw the agpreate=2 come up in the boot text...so I must have done something right
[01:07:00] kormoc: wooties
[01:07:00] kormoc: not to see if it actually changes anything...
[01:07:00] j-rod: heh
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[01:07:00] jsldub: j-rod: i just found out that no it is not. the howto i was following had no mention of it
[01:07:00] jsldub: i have an error in it's config file anyway
[01:08:00] j-rod: out of curiosity, which howto would that be?
[01:08:00] emilylove: 4x :-(
[01:09:00] kormoc: :/
[01:09:00] jsldub: j-rod: actually, that was the next step that i never got too
[01:09:00] jsldub: lol
[01:09:00] emilylove: the crazy thing is we could spend hours on this 4x thing and have it not even solve the problem lol
[01:09:00] kormoc: yuppies :)
[01:10:00] fatmatt: emilylove: are you using lilo or grub as the boot loader?
[01:10:00] kormoc: grub
[01:10:00] fatmatt: okies
[01:10:00] fatmatt: nm
[01:12:00] emilylove: grub
[01:12:00] emilylove: heh slow on the draw
[01:12:00] ray_: I'm having serious problems upgrading to 0.18. The database upgrade fails; I found a mailing list post suggesting I drop columns, but I've hit about 10 and it's still not happy.
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[01:12:00] ray_: I'm trying to figure out a way to keep my data and still upgrade.
[01:13:00] kormoc: keep droping the tables it complains about
[01:13:00] kormoc: and it will finish eventually, likly
[01:13:00] kormoc: tis what I did at least
[01:13:00] ray_: Well, at least I have the drop commands in a text file :/
[01:17:00] Chutt: j-rod, xris, will you be around tonight?
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[01:17:00] ray_: Gah. Now it's not even specifiying any columns; just saying "Told to create a NEW database schema, but the database already has 22 tables."
[01:18:00] emilylove: ok, I don't know if its fixed....BUUUUUUUT...
[01:18:00] kormoc: ( Chutt, fyi, xris is at a meeting, likly be awhile till he can respond, if he even sees it )
[01:18:00] Chutt: ah, well
[01:18:00] Chutt: that's ok =)
[01:18:00] kormoc: emilylove, yeah?
[01:18:00] emilylove: I changed that NvAGP thing to 1 just for the heluvit....and it hasn't frozen at all
[01:18:00] kormoc: yay!
[01:18:00] emilylove: so maybe that was it, althought I'm not holding my breath
[01:19:00] emilylove: so what are possible reasons for my tuner showing static??
[01:19:00] kormoc: wrong tuner type autodetected, no input signal, bad channel?
[01:21:00] j-rod: Chutt, yeah, I'll be around
[01:21:00] Chutt: cool
[01:21:00] Chutt: kinda want to get trac configured
[01:21:00] j-rod: ok, cool
[01:22:00] Chutt: but i've gotta go out for a bit, so, later tonight =)
[01:22:00] emilylove: hmm well let me run the setup program again and take a look
[01:22:00] kormoc: emilylove, what's the tv card?
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[01:23:00] emilylove: tv wonder
[01:24:00] kormoc: ati?
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[01:24:00] j-rod: gotta go pick up my car from the shop in a bit anywho, so later is gooder
[01:25:00] emilylove: yes
[01:25:00] kormoc: hrm, I never delt with them, maybe someone else here has some ati experence
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[01:27:00] emilylove: is it normal for it to pause a second when you change channels?
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[01:29:00] crash-x: emilylove: did you solve the crash problem?
[01:29:00] kormoc: emilylove, yeah, it's cause of it being recorded to the drive and then displayed
[01:30:00] emilylove: crash-x: I'm beginning to think so
[01:30:00] emilylove: kormoc thats what I thought..kind of annoying — use the program guide to select channels I'm guessing? :-)
[01:31:00] kormoc: emilylove, once you get it going, and you tell it you like show x, and it just auto records it for ya, it's sorta rare for most people to watch live tv :)
[01:34:00] crash-x: nice
[01:34:00] crash-x: lol
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[01:40:00] emilylove: kormoc what about the "pause live tv" feature?
[01:40:00] emilylove: kinda useless?
[01:40:00] emilylove: so your saying you almost never watch live tv with it because its recording all your shows ahead of time?
[01:41:00] kormoc: emilylove, well, in my experence, yeah. I just selected all these shows I watch and after a few days of not watching everything shows just backup and now I have like 150 shows recorded and thus, I watch them rather then live tv.
[01:41:00] jsldub: im trying to debug a typo in a mythbackend configuration file that is keeping it from starting, where would this file be located?
[01:42:00] Agrajag-: other than the mysql.txt one, it's all in the db
[01:42:00] kormoc: emilylove, I tend to like not being a slave to live tv, so I can do what I want and still catch the shows I want
[01:42:00] emilylove: makes sense kormoc — still there are live events and such
[01:42:00] kormoc: emilylove, you can have them scheduled to record too :)
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[01:42:00] emilylove: like the superbowl...I'd hate watching that pre-recorded
[01:42:00] crash-x: kormoc but i guess you watch most of the recorded shows not, or?
[01:43:00] jsldub: Agrajag-: so only editable in the gui?
[01:43:00] kormoc: emilylove, and you can watch a show that is currently recording.
[01:43:00] Agrajag-: jsldub: no.. mysql
[01:43:00] emilylove: ya I guess its just not good for channel surfing
[01:43:00] ** kormoc nods **
[01:44:00] jsldub: Agrajag-: so there are no settings i can change in the gui that will affect the backend?
[01:44:00] Agrajag-: jsldub: what do you want to change?
[01:44:00] emilylove: shouldn't my on screen dialog have the channel information?
[01:44:00] Agrajag-: jsldub: what's wrong with mythtv-setup if you want a gui?
[01:45:00] kormoc: emilylove, indeed it should
[01:45:00] emilylove: it just says "(0 minutes mins)"
[01:45:00] kormoc: hrm
[01:45:00] kormoc: did you run mythfilldatabase?
[01:45:00] jsldub: when i start backend, i get "~/recordings//nfslockfile.lock: No such file or directory". Unable to open lockfile
[01:45:00] emilylove: kormoc..yes — and the program guide is full
[01:46:00] Agrajag-: well try touching that file
[01:46:00] kormoc: emilylove, that's sorta odd
[01:46:00] fatmatt: is // valid?
[01:46:00] kormoc: unless I'm misunderstanding which info you mean
[01:46:00] jsldub: / will automatically go to root directory
[01:46:00] jsldub: / i mean
[01:46:00] emilylove: when I hit "I" when watching live tv
[01:46:00] jsldub: "//"
[01:46:00] kormoc: ooh!
[01:46:00] fatmatt: shouldn't it be ~/recordings/nfslock...
[01:46:00] kormoc: hit i twice?
[01:47:00] kormoc: the first I shows where in the buffer you are, live tv whout being paused isn't behind at all.
[01:47:00] Agrajag-: no
[01:47:00] Agrajag-: is valid
[01:47:00] Agrajag-: err // is valid
[01:48:00] Agrajag-: just touch ~/recordings//nfslockfile.lock and try again
[01:48:00] fatmatt: guess it is
[01:48:00] jsldub: same error
[01:48:00] emilylove: the second time I hit I the box dissappears
[01:48:00] Agrajag-: well you did something wrong then because it does exist now doesn't it?
[01:49:00] jsldub: well i dont think it ever did
[01:49:00] jsldub: why would this file need to be there? what is myth doing with nfs?
[01:49:00] Agrajag-: doing "touch ~/recordings//nfslockfile.lock" will create that file
[01:49:00] kormoc: emilylove, odd... with the programming guide you get info?
[01:50:00] jsldub: Agrajag-: i just copied and pasted what you typed, same error
[01:50:00] jsldub: ~/recordings is readable and writable to my mythuser
[01:50:00] emilylove: yes when I go to "schedule recordings" I can see all the shows that are on.
[01:51:00] Agrajag-: jsldub: is that file you created with touch readable by myth?
[01:51:00] emilylove: under capture card..should I use a "regular V4L" card?
[01:52:00] kormoc: emilylove, yeah
[01:52:00] fatmatt: jsldub: are you logged in as mythtv?
[01:52:00] jsldub: yes
[01:53:00] emilylove: wow it hasn't frozen yet! at least It looks like that problem is solved
[01:53:00] emilylove: what does (0 minutes mins) mean?
[01:53:00] fatmatt: try it as absolute ie "touch /home/mythtv/recordings/nfs...
[01:53:00] jonK: that less than 1 minute has occured?
[01:53:00] kormoc: emilylove, 0 minutes recored, press p and you should see it increase the longer it is paused
[01:54:00] jsldub: i am still getting the same error after that fatmatt
[01:55:00] emilylove: oh I see
[01:55:00] emilylove: hmm this is really weird
[01:55:00] fatmatt: where is your recordings directory supposed to be jsldub
[01:55:00] emilylove: im sooooooo close though..its like taunting me
[01:55:00] jsldub: /home/mythtv/recordings/
[01:55:00] kormoc: emilylove, you'll get it! :)
[01:56:00] jsldub: /home/mythtv is owned by the mythtv user, and group users
[01:56:00] emilylove: heh If I get it cyber-kisses too all of you guys!
[01:56:00] fatmatt: jsldub: well it you're getting that error then theres no recordings directory there
[01:56:00] jsldub: no recordings at all. havnt even run the tv program yet
[01:56:00] emilylove: what is a VBI device?
[01:57:00] crash-x: its for videotext afaik
[01:57:00] fatmatt: jsldub: does ls show a recordings directory?
[01:57:00] jsldub: yup. i would paste output if it was ok with the cahn.
[01:58:00] fatmatt: just cd into that directory and try "touch nfslockfile" from there
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[01:58:00] MonMotha: hum, anyone have any clue if a 2.2GHz P4 could pull off decoding a 1080i MPEG2 in real time with no XvMC?
[01:58:00] emilylove: ok something isn't taking...I set SVIDEO as my imput and im still getting static...at the top 5'th of the screen static and the rest green
[01:59:00] emilylove: its like its set for PAL or something
[01:59:00] jsldub: FaithX: that file then gets created. is user readable,writable
[01:59:00] MonMotha: My 2400+ AthlonXP struggles, but can barely manage it. P4s tend to be good at MPEG work though
[01:59:00] jsldub: oopes sorry FaithX , fatmatt
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[02:02:00] xris: Chutt: will be around tonight for awhile, but it's hard to resist the call of babylon5 dvd's when my wife is calling it "together time"  :)
[02:03:00] Chutt: hah
[02:03:00] Chutt: i'm trying to decide what heatsink to get for the new box
[02:03:00] Chutt: so, no worries
[02:04:00] Chutt: and j-rod can help if you're busy watching tv :p
[02:04:00] jsldub: im stuck on this one. cant figure it out
[02:04:00] Chutt: don't use ~
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[02:08:00] emilylove: awww it froze again!
[02:08:00] emilylove: and it was doin' so good!
[02:09:00] emilylove: piece of s*******
[02:09:00] emilylove: alright I'm going to end it for the night...
[02:09:00] emilylove: maybe I'll have more luck tomorrow
[02:09:00] emilylove: bye all
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[02:09:00] jsldub: even chown mythtv:users /home/mythtv/ -R as root doesnt fix it
[02:10:00] fatmatt: jsldub: it sounds like a simple path prob, just keep checking how you've configured them.
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[02:10:00] jsldub: fatmatt: where are they configured?
[02:10:00] fatmatt: mythtv-setup I think
[02:10:00] Chutt: <Chutt> don't use ~
[02:11:00] jsldub: Chutt: it's not my choice, if i could find where this configuration was being kept, i would change that
[02:11:00] Chutt: you're the one who set it initially
[02:11:00] Chutt: how could you possibly forget that?
[02:11:00] jsldub: Chutt: ok, even if you're right, where would i go to change it again?
[02:11:00] Chutt: run the setup program
[02:12:00] Chutt: that is _not_ the default value, so you have to have changed it to that.
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[02:19:00] jsldub: Chutt: thank you, that did fix it. but that was one of the default settings
[02:20:00] Chutt: no, that is not the default setting
[02:20:00] jsldub: Chutt: are you the gentoo maintainer for the mythtv packages?
[02:20:00] Chutt: no, i'm the author of mythtv
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[02:21:00] Chutt: i think i'd know what the default settings are.
[02:21:00] jsldub: "the" author? i though it would be more than just one person. well good job man. it looks very nice.
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[02:27:00] jsldub: Chutt: why wouldnt i be able to control mplayer when it is launched from mythtv?
[02:28:00] kormoc: focus issues? did you try alt-tabbing to mplayer and then see if it would get keyboard control?
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[02:29:00] kormoc: headin home
[02:30:00] jsldub: actually, i did try that. didn't work. but mplayer would accept input when spawned by it'sself
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[02:31:00] Chutt: i dunno, i don't use mythvideo
[02:32:00] jsldub: mythtv runs live tv so slow.
[02:32:00] jsldub: on a PIII-450
[02:32:00] Chutt: err, yeah, if you're using a bttv card
[02:32:00] jsldub: yup
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[02:46:00] topping: hi folks, anyone compiled myth with fc4 yet?
[02:47:00] topping: seems like gcc might have been changed and it doesn't like the change
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[02:49:00] Agrajag-: i heard that fc4 has gcc 4.0 which is a bit of a write off apparentrly
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[02:49:00] findme: anyone one DISH TV ?
[02:49:00] topping: Agrajag- ok thanks
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[02:50:00] xris: findme: repeat in english
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[02:51:00] findme: xris, How do I configure DISH network with mythtv.
[02:51:00] xris: http://losdos.dyndns.org:8080/public/mythtv-i . . . ed_LIRC.html
[02:51:00] xris: that's what I used
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[02:53:00] findme: xris, thanks
[02:54:00] rjune: xris: that's pretty slick.
[02:54:00] rjune: xris: thats how you got around a dvb tuner eh?
[02:54:00] xris: rjune: yeah. that's the only legal way to do it
[02:54:00] SlicerDicer-: anybody know if slugs make good fertilizer when they have been killed?
[02:54:00] SlicerDicer-: I just killed about 30 slugs in my hard lol
[02:54:00] SlicerDicer-: they were eating my flowers :P
[02:54:00] xris: someday I may get a dvb tuner and bridge the grey area.. but not until it's easy.
[02:54:00] rjune: how much did it cost?
[02:54:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: not if you used salt
[02:55:00] xris: rjune: did what cost?
[02:55:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, I used a blunt stick
[02:55:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: then they make fine fertilizer.
[02:55:00] SlicerDicer-: shit man you know all about slugs your in the same area as me
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[02:55:00] SlicerDicer-: slug city lol
[02:55:00] SlicerDicer-: 1000's of slugs everywhere
[02:55:00] xris: they're diminishing in my yard.
[02:55:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, put out a bowl of beer
[02:55:00] xris: got some good mostly nontoxic slug bait going in my yard.
[02:56:00] SlicerDicer-: beer works serious?
[02:56:00] kormoc: ya
[02:56:00] kormoc: slugs love beer
[02:56:00] SlicerDicer-: they are attracted to it?
[02:56:00] SlicerDicer-: and it kills them?
[02:56:00] kormoc: yup
[02:56:00] SlicerDicer-: wow
[02:56:00] SlicerDicer-: good stuff
[02:56:00] kormoc: they drown in drunken glory
[02:56:00] findme: stupid question :-> I have my coaxiable cable through the Satellite receiver, If i connect it to the regular TV and put it on channel 76 I can watch all satellite programs, however If I connect the same output to my mythtv and put the myth on channel 76 I can't see anything, any thoughts as to why ?
[02:56:00] SlicerDicer-: hahaha
[02:56:00] SlicerDicer-: nice kormoc
[02:57:00] SlicerDicer-: thats great drunken glory!
[02:57:00] xris: findme: cable vs broadcast setting in the card?
[02:57:00] kormoc: :)
[02:57:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: beer works, but is a waste of beer.
[02:57:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc, how many dead slugs will there be per day in the beer?
[02:57:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, what do you advise if not beer?
[02:57:00] findme: xris, umm, I see, on the haupage card ?
[02:58:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, when we've done it, we've gotten about 30 to 50 of them per largish bowl.
[02:58:00] xris: findme: in the input filter. but WHY would you use rf when you have svideo and/or composite?
[02:58:00] SlicerDicer-: omg kormoc
[02:58:00] topping: it's not a waste of bud lite
[02:58:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: this is what I use: http://www.lillymiller.com/worry_free.html (safe for organic gardening, not particularly expensive, mostly rainproof, and available at bigbox stores like lowes)
[02:58:00] findme: 1. I don't have a s-video chord about that long. 2. I want coaxial input
[02:58:00] xris: topping: bud lite is a waste of good yeast and grain.
[02:59:00] topping: haa true
[02:59:00] xris: findme: ok. just saying that the coax (which I assume is RF — they're *all* coax) is way crappy quality.
[02:59:00] kormoc: xris, the name on the box, escar go amused me so
[02:59:00] xris: kormoc: yeah. that lilly miller stuff is the same chemical, but about 1/4 the cost.
[03:00:00] findme: xris, agreed! do you know how to set it to broadcast mode /
[03:01:00] xris: findme: you want cable mode, and that should be the default... I think it's the "frequency table" option in either the card or input settings.
[03:01:00] xris: us-catv vs us-bcast
[03:01:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, yeah spearing and mashing slugs is nasty
[03:01:00] SlicerDicer-: that shit gets everywhere and bleh
[03:01:00] SlicerDicer-: also you have to locate them
[03:02:00] findme: xris, i was able to see cable tv earlier and nothing has changed since then. I will play with it and let you know if it works. Thanks for your help.
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[03:03:00] xris: findme: my dish setup runs on channel 60
[03:03:00] xris: but I seriously urge you to consider at least composite. quality is like 10x better.
[03:04:00] findme: xris, ah i will. thanks for the help.
[03:05:00] SlicerDicer-: hey kormoc check this out
[03:05:00] SlicerDicer-: Cook the cabbage leaves until soft, drizzle some butter or lard over them. Place them in slug prone areas. Within several hours the leaves will be swarming with slugs and you can destroy them.
[03:05:00] kormoc: sure, that could work too
[03:05:00] topping: he said "destroy"... heh.. heh heh
[03:05:00] SlicerDicer-: haha i love it
[03:06:00] SlicerDicer-: hmm nice kormoc I found something better
[03:06:00] kormoc: topping, slicer is one to ph34r, he has asperations of global conquest! GLOBAL CONQUEST I SAY!
[03:06:00] SlicerDicer-: For those who don't want to waste beer, try adding 1/2 tsp. baking yeast and 1 tbsp. sugar to the water in each trap.
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[03:06:00] SlicerDicer-: haha kormoc
[03:07:00] topping: i only ph34r for my b33r
[03:07:00] SlicerDicer-: this was my all time favorite I found the other night kro
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[03:07:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc, Keep barbecue skewers or a sharp knife stuck in the garden for an excellent weapon to impale slugs.
[03:08:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[03:08:00] SlicerDicer-: they said impale!
[03:08:00] kormoc: indeed
[03:08:00] SlicerDicer-: Your weapon is at hand, impale them!
[03:08:00] kormoc: do you keep them on the stakes to keep the others away?
[03:08:00] kormoc: *slugs cower in fear of the field of dead slugs!
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[03:09:00] ** xris would rather not be involved in the skewering of slugs. **
[03:09:00] SlicerDicer-: make shift pungy sticks
[03:09:00] SlicerDicer-: haha
[03:09:00] ** GotD0t would like to know how #mythtv-users got to the subject of slugs **
[03:09:00] xris: easier to sprinkle little toxic-to-slugs pellets and call it good.
[03:09:00] xris: GotD0t: when no one asks mythtv questions, we get off topic. seriously off-topic.
[03:09:00] SlicerDicer-: GotD0t, I have that effect on all channels
[03:09:00] kormoc: GotD0t, national geographic slug special?
[03:09:00] GotD0t: i know... but how did slugs come up?
[03:09:00] topping: there must be something possible with a jury-rigged microwave oven...
[03:10:00] SlicerDicer-: GotD0t, I impaled about 30 slugs in my hard
[03:10:00] xris: SlicerDicer- asked me if I knew if dead slugs were compostable.
[03:10:00] jonK: they're organic, why wouldn't they be?
[03:10:00] GotD0t: right
[03:10:00] kormoc: they could break down into nasty to plants stuff
[03:11:00] SlicerDicer-: well I was wondering if the innards were toxic to grass and stuff
[03:11:00] SlicerDicer-: if they were I would fling them into the woods
[03:11:00] GotD0t: you might be better off keeping slugs alive in a compost pile
[03:11:00] kormoc: keeping them in a pile is a tad... hard.
[03:11:00] GotD0t: well ya
[03:11:00] topping: it's a venerable SLUG-FEST
[03:12:00] SlicerDicer-: GotD0t, I dont want a compost pile I just want to fling them in the grass as #1 a kid repelent #2 lazyness
[03:12:00] GotD0t: oh
[03:12:00] jonK: small hors'derve toothpicks?
[03:12:00] SlicerDicer-: ohh hey kormoc I upgraded to comcast buisness
[03:12:00] SlicerDicer-: it rocks
[03:12:00] kormoc: yeah?
[03:12:00] SlicerDicer-: a kick ass SMC router came with it
[03:13:00] topping: that's where all your slugs came from.... Slug Manufacturing Corporation
[03:13:00] topping: hadn't you heard?
[03:14:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: what's "business" get you?
[03:14:00] topping: probably a little poopie trail from your router to your garden
[03:14:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, what you mean?
[03:14:00] xris: comcast
[03:15:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, comcast buisness internet connect
[03:15:00] xris: why business vs residential?
[03:15:00] SlicerDicer-: so I can do what I want
[03:15:00] SlicerDicer-: they wont buck about me running any kinda server
[03:18:00] SlicerDicer-: back to the slugs check this out "Organize a 'Slug Derby' with some small prize for the biggest slug, the ugliest slug, person with the most captured slugs.... A grand event for any neighborhood, to be sure!"
[03:18:00] SlicerDicer-: I am laughing so hard my ribs hurt
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[03:39:00] Ray__: I am having a huge problem right now trying to extract the latest ivtv drivers... I keep getting an error that the file is not a .tar file
[03:40:00] gavindi: Is their any dual tuner cards available?
[03:40:00] Ray__: *tar archieve
[03:44:00] rtsai: i think pvr-500 is dual-tuner
[03:44:00] Ray__: it is
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[03:46:00] gavindi: And it works under linux?
[03:47:00] Ray__: with some modification
[03:48:00] gavindi: Sounds dodgy.Is there any others?
[03:49:00] Ray__: http://www.bitbenderforums.com/vb22/showthread.php?postid=367509
[03:49:00] gavindi: Tx.I'll have a read now.
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[04:04:00] JohnnyQuest: the pvr-500 works well in linux
[04:04:00] kormoc: a few models of the 500 do, aye
[04:05:00] JohnnyQuest: does anyone know how many mythtv users there are?
[04:05:00] Chutt: 4
[04:06:00] kormoc: woah, it doubled this past week!
[04:06:00] JohnnyQuest: you, me, kormoc and GreyFoxx?
[04:06:00] Chutt: oh, i don't use it
[04:06:00] JohnnyQuest: o ok
[04:06:00] JohnnyQuest: then we only have 3...
[04:06:00] kormoc: xris, Beirdo, you and GreyFoxx.
[04:06:00] JohnnyQuest: o ok
[04:07:00] SarahEmm: JohnnyQuest: for some people ;)
[04:07:00] Ray__: Could someone please help me with compiling the ivtv drivers? I keep getting an error of "No rule to make targe 'modiles'. Stop."
[04:07:00] SarahEmm: err
[04:07:00] SarahEmm: it's 'modules'
[04:07:00] Ray__: *target 'modules'
[04:07:00] kormoc: Ray__, try spelling modules correctly
[04:07:00] Agrajag-: ahahah
[04:07:00] xris: lol
[04:07:00] GotD0t: hahaha
[04:07:00] Ray__: on a laptop... what else do you want :-P
[04:07:00] GotD0t: to type like me
[04:07:00] GotD0t: who is always on a laptop
[04:07:00] SarahEmm: Ray__: hey, i'm on a laptop too, but i proofread ;)
[04:07:00] Ray__: fine fine
[04:07:00] kormoc: i ken speil.
[04:07:00] GotD0t: hehe
[04:08:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont proofread and im on a desktop, my typing is horrible
[04:08:00] JohnnyQuest: but i dont care
[04:08:00] JohnnyQuest: i copy and paste everything..
[04:08:00] GotD0t: hah
[04:08:00] Ray__: Anyway... anyone know why I would be getting that error?
[04:08:00] JohnnyQuest: if its important
[04:08:00] SlicerDicer-: hey kormoc stillhere?
[04:08:00] kormoc: Yuppies
[04:08:00] kormoc: whaz up?
[04:08:00] JohnnyQuest: i have no idea ray
[04:09:00] SarahEmm: paste the compile output to a pastebin, ray
[04:09:00] SlicerDicer-: kormoc, I setup a makeshift slugtrap and set slugs by it to see if they were interested in dien
[04:09:00] SlicerDicer-: well they ran away.... it was steaming though
[04:09:00] kormoc: yeah?
[04:09:00] JohnnyQuest: dien?
[04:09:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[04:09:00] JohnnyQuest: slugtrap?
[04:09:00] JohnnyQuest: wtf?
[04:09:00] SlicerDicer-: haha
[04:09:00] JohnnyQuest: does this have anything to do with mythtv?
[04:09:00] JohnnyQuest: no...
[04:09:00] kormoc: JohnnyQuest, national geographic slug show
[04:09:00] JohnnyQuest: you are smoking more than me slicerdicer
[04:10:00] JohnnyQuest: national geographic has a slug show>
[04:10:00] JohnnyQuest: do they race?
[04:10:00] SlicerDicer-: JohnnyQuest, you missed the rest of the conversation
[04:10:00] SlicerDicer-: it was about slugs and how to kill them
[04:10:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[04:10:00] SlicerDicer-: impale them etc
[04:10:00] JohnnyQuest: spray them with boiling water or put salt on them?
[04:10:00] SlicerDicer-: well I made a yeast trap
[04:10:00] SlicerDicer-: yeast, sugar and flour
[04:11:00] JohnnyQuest: salt kills them fast
[04:11:00] SlicerDicer-: kills plants too
[04:11:00] JohnnyQuest: ya..
[04:11:00] JohnnyQuest: good point
[04:11:00] JohnnyQuest: soap
[04:11:00] JohnnyQuest: doenst kill plants
[04:11:00] JohnnyQuest: they wont eat plants sprayed in soap
[04:11:00] Ray__: SarahEmm: How would I paste the output to a pastebin?
[04:12:00] JohnnyQuest: www.pastebin.com
[04:12:00] JohnnyQuest: you can figure it out from there, give sarahEmm the link
[04:12:00] JohnnyQuest: anyone know how to take a gradient?
[04:12:00] JohnnyQuest: or find a gradient?
[04:15:00] jonK: what up ray?
[04:16:00] JohnnyQuest: does anyone keep statistics on how many people use mythtv/
[04:16:00] Chutt: there's 4 users
[04:16:00] JohnnyQuest: shut up!
[04:16:00] Chutt: why?
[04:16:00] Chutt: that's just as good as any other number you'd get
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[04:17:00] Ray__: jonK: Having problems trying to compile the ivtv drivers...
[04:17:00] jonK: johnny too many distribution points to try to track accurately
[04:17:00] xnoff: question: I saw systm 2 and was wondering what the website is where I'm supposed to set up a mythtv account?
[04:17:00] jonK: have you posted to pastebin?
[04:17:00] jonK: do you mean the tv scheudles?
[04:17:00] jonK: xnoff
[04:18:00] xnoff: I believe
[04:18:00] xnoff: I forget I just vaguely remember something about a website
[04:18:00] xnoff: I can't access the video
[04:18:00] xnoff: I'm in knoppmyth
[04:18:00] jonK: or if you look up throught the compiler output ray, what is the first error you find
[04:19:00] jonK: somthing like "can't find file.h" is what im looking for
[04:19:00] Ray__: no... I would if I could, but right now I don't have a network cable plugged in because the nearest jack in a good 40 feet away and I don't have a long enough cable...
[04:19:00] JohnnyQuest: move the computer?
[04:19:00] jonK: that's sub optimal for diagnosing
[04:20:00] JohnnyQuest: i keep my mythbox on an av cart right now...
[04:20:00] JohnnyQuest: so i can roll it from one end to of my house to the other
[04:20:00] JohnnyQuest: to work on it
[04:20:00] xnoff: video sources asks me for a user id and password
[04:20:00] xnoff: where do I get that?
[04:20:00] jonK: i see,
[04:20:00] Chutt: you read the docs
[04:20:00] xnoff: I looked in the mythtv docs but didn't see anythingg
[04:20:00] JohnnyQuest: read the docs xnoff
[04:20:00] JohnnyQuest: its in there
[04:20:00] jonK: try chpater 5.4
[04:20:00] xnoff: where at?
[04:20:00] xnoff: alright I'll look thanks
[04:20:00] jonK: err. 5.3 mayne
[04:20:00] JohnnyQuest: chapter 5.4
[04:20:00] JohnnyQuest: or 5.3..
[04:20:00] JohnnyQuest: or 5?
[04:21:00] xnoff: I'm sort of a noob and it seemed kinda complicated
[04:21:00] jonK: 5 for sure, subversion number
[04:21:00] JohnnyQuest: im a noob too
[04:21:00] jonK: im not
[04:21:00] jonK: not sure of subversion, or noob
[04:21:00] JohnnyQuest: my suggestion xnoff is, do the fedora core 3 tutorial
[04:21:00] jonK: ray?
[04:21:00] jonK: are you at the point of typing "make" from the driver directory?
[04:22:00] jonK: bah, I think it's time for a beer, leaviing office
[04:22:00] Ray__: from the output I basically get a "Entering Directory" then " *** No rule to make target 'modules' . Stop." and then "Leaving Directory"
[04:22:00] JohnnyQuest: has anyone here taken calculus 3 and remembers how to do gradients?
[04:22:00] kormoc: Ray__, there's more then that I'd say
[04:23:00] jonK: did you run ./configure before make?
[04:23:00] Ray__: no
[04:23:00] jonK: try that
[04:23:00] jonK: might help create rules for make to work off of
[04:25:00] jonK: does knopmmyth install the linux source"?
[04:25:00] jonK: and kernel headers?
[04:25:00] Ray__: As far as I know yes...
[04:26:00] jonK: lol
[04:26:00] jonK: how far do you know?
[04:26:00] JohnnyQuest: knoppmyth gave me soo much trouble...
[04:26:00] Ray__: well I extracted the source
[04:27:00] jonK: for ivtv?
[04:27:00] jonK: or for linux kernel?
[04:27:00] Ray__: http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=CompileIvtv <- I am following those directions
[04:27:00] jams: jonK, yes knoppmyth has the kernel source+headers does
[04:27:00] Ray__: and I am stuck at the point of "make"
[04:27:00] jonK: bueno, so he won't need to get thm
[04:28:00] jams: any lxmsuite subscribers in here?
[04:28:00] jonK: of course they're on the cd, but does it install kernel source, and symlink for /usr/src/linux?
[04:28:00] jonK: also want to try lxmsuite
[04:28:00] jonK: what do i do after giving them $30
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[04:28:00] jams: jonK, yes but I believe the sources are still gziped
[04:29:00] jams: so all you need todo is cd /usr/src
[04:29:00] jams: and unzip them
[04:29:00] jonK: not me, ray
[04:29:00] jonK: trying to help him install ivtv
[04:29:00] jams: heh
[04:29:00] Ray__: it does install the kernel source and the symlink in /usr/src
[04:29:00] jonK: cool, my ivtv issue is a 350 wont seem to play nice with a 500
[04:30:00] jonK: ray, did you run the configure script (i.e. did you type ./configure in the ivtv/drivers/ directory?)
[04:30:00] Ray__: I did... I kept getting an error of "Command not found"
[04:30:00] jams: <jonK> what do i do after giving them $30? After the payment is made you will receive LxM account that you setup just like the zap2it stuff
[04:31:00] jonK: what exactly are you typing, and what directory are you in
[04:31:00] jams: you will also get instructions on where to find the theme
[04:31:00] jonK: now signing up benefits who? hosw does it work?
[04:31:00] jonK: type "pwd" and tell me what it responds with
[04:32:00] Ray__: I am in /usr/local/lib/ivtv/driver/ivtv-0.3.6p/driver
[04:32:00] jonK: ok
[04:32:00] jonK: and you type in ?
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[04:33:00] jams: jonK, the answer to your questions are on the front page and FAQ
[04:33:00] jonK: that would require ATP expenditure
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[04:33:00] jams: but to sum up it benefits yourself and the myth crowd
[04:34:00] jams: as part of your payment goes to enhancing myth
[04:34:00] jonK: interested in learning how the "points" work
[04:34:00] jonK: and am interested in coding some enhancements to mythtv myself
[04:34:00] jonK: just have so little time, hell, i'ts 9:30 here and I'm just getting ready to leave the office
[04:35:00] jonK: nevertheless, ray what are you typing!!
[04:35:00] Ray__: sorry about that... typing in what you said ./configure
[04:35:00] jonK: excellent.. and what happens
[04:36:00] Ray__: "No such file or directory"
[04:38:00] jonK: wait, and when you type make what happens
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[04:39:00] Ray__: When I type in "./configure" I get "bash ./configure: No such file or directory"
[04:39:00] jonK: ray, i've misled you
[04:39:00] Ray__: kk... I figured that...
[04:39:00] jonK: movign onto "make"
[04:39:00] jonK: you get what ?
[04:39:00] Ray__: nvm
[04:40:00] Ray__: anyway with "make"
[04:40:00] jonK: should have checked for a configure script... just assumed there was one
[04:41:00] Ray__: I get the error of "make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'modules'. Stop."
[04:42:00] jonK: go up--higher.. is there a line above that that reads unable to open somefile.h?
[04:42:00] jonK: or similar — looking for the first error line
[04:43:00] jonK: unable to find file...
[04:43:00] jonK: my first guess is version.h
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[04:43:00] Ray__: no... I get "make CONFIG_VIDEO_IVTV=m -C /lib/modules/2.6.11.9-chw-2/build m=/usr/local/lib/ivtv/driver/ivtv-0.3.6p/driver modiles"
[04:44:00] jonK: and then?
[04:45:00] Ray__: "make[1]: Entering Directory '/lib/modules/2.6.11.9-chw-2/build"
[04:46:00] jonK: I think id need to see the whole ouput.. on chance it's permissions, do you have write privilges to /usr/local/lib...?
[04:47:00] jonK: or do you get the same error running as root?
[04:47:00] Ray__: not sure... I am logged as su though... wouldn't that give me full access permissions?
[04:47:00] jonK: meaning "#" prompt
[04:47:00] jonK: ?
[04:47:00] Ray__: I am logged in as root
[04:47:00] jonK: good
[04:48:00] Ray__: though in /lib/modules/2.6.11.9-chw-2/build there is nothing there
[04:48:00] jonK: think I'd need to see the whole output
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[04:48:00] jonK: i'm just guessing as I go along here
[04:49:00] Ray__: This is the output after typing in "make" make CONFIG_VIDEO_IVTV=m -C /lib/modules/2.6.11.9-chw-2/build m=/usr/local/lib/ivtv/driver/ivtv-0.3.6p/driver modiles
[04:49:00] Ray__: make[1]: Entering Directory '/lib/modules/2.6.11.9-chw-2/build
[04:49:00] Ray__: make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'modules'. Stop.
[04:49:00] Ray__: make[1]: Leaving Directory '/lib/modules/2.6.11.9-chw-2/build
[04:50:00] Ray__: on and make: *** [all] Error 2
[04:50:00] Ray__: *oh
[04:53:00] Ray__: That is all I get as output
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[05:04:00] _JohnL: why will myth not keep my contrast and brightness settings?
[05:05:00] _JohnL: even when I use ivtvctl to set the contrast and brightness it resets to WAY to high
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[05:24:00] Darby: Hi Everyone. I have a pvr-350 that I just got working out to my TV. The only problem is there are 4 quadrants on the screen. The top 2 are copies of my X session, and the bottom 2 are garbage. TV displays in the X session(s), but the colors are all purple and green. Any ideas?
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[06:02:00] Ray__: Came anyone help me with trying to figure out why I am getting the following error?
[06:02:00] Ray__: make CONFIG_VIDEO_IVTV=m -C /lib/modules/2.6.11.9-chw-2/build m=/usr/local/lib/ivtv/driver/ivtv-0.3.6p/driver modiles
[06:02:00] Ray__: make[1]: Entering Directory '/lib/modules/2.6.11.9-chw-2/build
[06:02:00] Ray__: make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'modules'. Stop.
[06:02:00] Ray__: make[1]: Leaving Directory '/lib/modules/2.6.11.9-chw-2/build
[06:02:00] Ray__: make: *** [all] Error 2
[06:04:00] Agrajag-: yeah
[06:04:00] Agrajag-: the Makefile doesn't have a rule to make the target "modules"
[06:04:00] Agrajag-: just like the error messages says
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[06:05:00] Ray__: How would I go about fixing that?
[06:05:00] Agrajag-: specifiy a target that does exist
[06:06:00] otherconte: i have a wierd problem with TV. System: PVR150 with embedded Via unichrome driver tv out
[06:06:00] otherconte: if i use the regular framebuffer or vesa drivers, and i watch TV, its normal
[06:07:00] otherconte: but when i use the via drivers, I can watch videos normally, but as soon as i watch TV, the colors get inverted, as if i'm watching a negative
[06:07:00] otherconte: and it affects all video, including files, until i restart mythtv
[06:07:00] otherconte: and its just video – images aren't affected.
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[06:08:00] otherconte: i dont' suppose anyone has seen anything like it?
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[06:26:00] opopanax_gentoo: hey y'all
[06:26:00] kormoc: hi there
[06:26:00] opopanax_gentoo: just installed mythtv-- anyone here used it with motorola firewire cable box?
[06:28:00] opopanax_gentoo: i'm not using a tuner card
[06:29:00] opopanax_gentoo: also wondering what I should do for a remote, or if my wireless keyboard should be good enough
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[06:40:00] opopanax_gentoo: good good.
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[07:01:00] hadees: anyone here have digital cable from time warner?
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[07:23:00] Gumby: anyone here transcode thier videos? Looking for decent settings to use. kind of getting tired of fumbling my way through with different settings.
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[07:24:00] robert9999: I'm using a Hauppauge PVR150. I can switch between composite and tuner0, but I still hear the audio from the tuner when I switch to composite. I'm trying to capture some old camcorder tapes. How can I get that audio from tuner0 to shut off when I switch to composite input?
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[07:26:00] MonMotha: robert9999: MythTV needs to tell the card to turn off the tuner, which it evidently is not doing...
[07:28:00] otherconte: anhone have poniters on how to get rid of grotesque diagonal lines in an S-video output? :P
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[07:28:00] robert9999: thanks monmotha. maybe in the ivtv settings? i'll keep googling.
[07:30:00] MonMotha: no clue. I've only used regular v4l cards and DVB
[07:31:00] otherconte: also, is there a way to have mythtv *not* reset the master volume on its startup? :(
[07:35:00] MonMotha: I think so
[07:35:00] MonMotha: I don't remember where, but I recall seeing an option like that
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[07:38:00] otherconte: heh.
[07:38:00] otherconte: if you find it, i would love to know
[07:40:00] MonMotha: ok, I found what I was thinking of and that's not what it does
[07:40:00] MonMotha: check under...and mythfrontend crashed
[07:40:00] MonMotha: oh, that's because my backend died
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[08:00:00] otherconte: heh
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[08:01:00] otherconte: Well, i was unable to find it
[08:02:00] otherconte: but i suppose i can get by with having mythtv set it
[08:02:00] otherconte: since i just found where mythtv sets it (and theres no option to have it not)
[08:04:00] swim: hey folks, i did just look at the faq and though this is a seriously basic question it was not answered there: do I need cable tv to use mythtv?
[08:05:00] Agrajag-: no
[08:05:00] otherconte: no. just video inputs and a method to control your <whatever> box
[08:05:00] swim: cool
[08:06:00] Agrajag-: you dont need a box..
[08:06:00] swim: hmm?
[08:07:00] Agrajag-: i was replying to otherconte
[08:11:00] Darby: Does anybody know how to get the TV out working with a pvr-350?
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[08:18:00] swim: hmm ebay is showing so many cheap cards...
[08:18:00] topping: doh... i forgot how to extract the firmware from the PVR-150 CD
[08:18:00] topping: anyone have an idea?
[08:18:00] topping: I found HcwMakoA.ROM... what aboout the other file?
[08:20:00] topping: ivtv-fw-enc.bin
[08:20:00] topping: i should have remembered to snag those precious puppies from the throes of mkfs lol
[08:23:00] topping: purrreaze!!! :-)
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[08:26:00] swim: for example will this do for a pvr card? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 850&rd=1
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[08:29:00] topping: swim: my guess is no
[08:30:00] swim: well a guess really isnt helpful
[08:32:00] topping: well go buy it then hehe
[08:32:00] topping: you want safe? don't buy it
[08:36:00] topping: my point is... my time is worth more than the $50 difference between that card and a new PVR-150 that is known to work
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[09:34:00] gnarface: ARG
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[14:51:00] laga: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/dvbt/ <- sounds like a cool alternative to normal tv-out
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[16:11:00] opopanax_gentoo: hey, all
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[16:49:00] Majestic12: Hi!
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[16:50:00] Majestic12: Just got a Dish Network DVR they work real well! Very good picture quality. User interface isn't that good.
[16:52:00] laga: are you trolling? ;)
[16:52:00] Majestic12: no
[16:53:00] Majestic12: Hilary Clinton would make a great president!! (Trolling)
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[16:54:00] Beirdo: Majestic12: yeah, she might invite Monica back too
[16:55:00] Majestic12: she *might* invite BILL back
[16:56:00] Beirdo: Bill would make a good first lady
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[16:56:00] Beirdo: hehe
[16:56:00] Beirdo: heck, he'd make any lady he could
[16:57:00] GeckoFiend: as long as we don't mind the first "lady" being a slut
[16:57:00] Beirdo: http://pics.beirdo.ca/Flowers/scan0099
[16:57:00] Beirdo: ahhh.
[16:57:00] Beirdo: film scanners rule
[16:57:00] Beirdo: GeckoFiend: y'all didn't seem to mind the president being a slut.
[16:58:00] Beirdo: I really need to add ads to my pics site
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[16:59:00] KeithC: nice pic, beirdo
[16:59:00] Beirdo: thank you :)
[16:59:00] Beirdo: plenty more in there where that came from
[16:59:00] KeithC: i've got an old scsi coolscan film and slide scanner. they are nice to have
[17:00:00] laga: cool. the ebay guys i got my pay tv stuff from have just called and told me that i won in some kind of lottery. now i'll get their movie plan and their sports plan for free – 3 months.
[17:00:00] Beirdo: unfortunately, I had no 400ASA film with me that day, and had to use 800ASA
[17:00:00] laga: and another 12 months of their basic stuff. and i paid 1 euro for everything. ;)
[17:00:00] Beirdo: this is a Minolta-Konica 5400DPI film scanner (USB)
[17:00:00] Beirdo: I scanned at 1800DPI though
[17:02:00] KeithC: I used mine for underwater shots. 64–100 ASA film, usually. incredible results
[17:02:00] Beirdo: neat
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[17:02:00] Beirdo: I have a roll of "about to expire" 3200ASA B&W Kodak Professional film to try out too :)
[17:02:00] Beirdo: hehe
[17:02:00] Beirdo: $7
[17:03:00] KeithC: you did hear Kodak is stopping making B&W print paper? crazy
[17:03:00] Beirdo: I heard an unconfirmed rumor
[17:03:00] Beirdo: from the "Hindustan Times"
[17:03:00] Beirdo: a real reliable source...
[17:04:00] Beirdo: I tried to find a press release from Kodak, no such luck yet
[17:05:00] KeithC: and now for an actual Myth question: I have lircd running, irw shows data from buttons pushed, but Mythfrontend never attempts to connect to lircd. the lircd log shows irw connecting and disconnecting, but nothing from myth. no log msgs from myth either
[17:05:00] KeithC: any thoughts?
[17:05:00] laga: KeithC: is mythtv compiled with native lirc support?
[17:06:00] laga: KeithC: you could check if it's linked against the lirc libs with ldd.
[17:06:00] KeithC: i checked my config logs and i didn't disable it
[17:06:00] KeithC: good idea
[17:08:00] KeithC: that looks like the issue. requires a recompile of myth I suppose?
[17:08:00] laga: yeah. or use irxevent.
[17:09:00] KeithC: ugh, recompile is easier
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[17:15:00] Beirdo: $45.99 on adsense.. still
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[17:16:00] ** laga points the brave firefox to mythtv.beirdo.ca **
[17:17:00] laga: just stop whining ;)
[17:17:00] Beirdo: laga: you need to get addicted to puzzle pirates :)
[17:17:00] Beirdo: who's whining?
[17:17:00] laga: no
[17:17:00] laga: hehe, you do ;)
[17:17:00] Beirdo: yes you do :)
[17:17:00] laga: well.
[17:17:00] Beirdo: tis fun.
[17:17:00] jonK: kieth, is mythfrontend reporting any messages... I had the same problem with a snapstream remote, until I ran mythfrontend from a shell, then exited and reviewed the message output
[17:17:00] laga: i promised to a friend of mine that i'll get a case of beer if i don't get hooked up on online games.
[17:18:00] laga: umm, no.
[17:18:00] jonK: gave me a message that the lircrc was borked
[17:18:00] Beirdo: my distillery shoppe got an order last night that almost emptied my suppilies
[17:18:00] laga: she promised it to me. *g*
[17:18:00] Beirdo: laga: only a case of beer?
[17:18:00] Beirdo: you can do better than that
[17:18:00] laga: Beirdo: i'll start playing after i get it, ok? only 3 months left ;)
[17:18:00] Beirdo: and how long to you have to avoid game addiction for to get the prize?
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[17:18:00] Beirdo: 3 months?!
[17:19:00] laga: umm, 12 months in total ;)
[17:19:00] Beirdo: wow, I'd think she needs to give more incentive than a case of beer :)
[17:19:00] Beirdo: damn, man
[17:19:00] laga: we'll see :>
[17:19:00] laga: heh
[17:19:00] Beirdo: make sure she drinks at least half the case then
[17:19:00] jonK: how bout case of beer every month
[17:19:00] laga: and online games suck up way too much of my precious time
[17:19:00] laga: Beirdo: huh? no, it's mine!
[17:20:00] Beirdo: hehe
[17:20:00] travolta: "unable to find mythcommflag, check your PATH" <-- how do i check my path? (mythbackend is started from my rc.local script)
[17:20:00] KeithC: jonK, it reports nothing even with verbose on. sicne I had to custom compile lirc with a patch for the new MCE USB chipset, myth needs a recompile to link against the new lirc. at least thats what I'm attempting right now
[17:20:00] Beirdo: travolta: look at the script then
[17:20:00] Beirdo: it should export a PATH with /usr/local/bin in it (assuming you built myth yourself)
[17:21:00] travolta: my script is a one line, /usr/local/bin/mythcommflag -d -l /var/log/mythtv.log
[17:21:00] Beirdo: laga: I think you're missing the point of intoxicating someone...
[17:21:00] travolta: oh, i need the line "export" ?
[17:21:00] Beirdo: travolta: add before that:
[17:21:00] Beirdo: PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin
[17:21:00] Beirdo: export PATH
[17:22:00] travolta: ok, thanks, i will try that
[17:22:00] laga: Beirdo: i did it last year and i felt bad afterwards. i'm way too much of a good guy ;)
[17:22:00] Beirdo: no problem
[17:22:00] Beirdo: laga: ah. you're a good guy. join the club.
[17:22:00] jonK: he'll grow out of it
[17:22:00] Beirdo: regard your future :)
[17:22:00] Beirdo: hehe
[17:23:00] Beirdo: 31 and still single. :)
[17:23:00] laga: umm
[17:24:00] Beirdo: yeah.
[17:24:00] Beirdo: ummm...
[17:24:00] ** laga decides that he wants to be a bad boy :> **
[17:24:00] Beirdo: nice guys finish last, etc.
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[17:24:00] Beirdo: but good for you :)
[17:26:00] ** laga starts pushing several gigabyte over the 802.11b link **
[17:26:00] Beirdo: heh
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[17:28:00] laga: let's assume that i have two backends. would it be possible to move recordings from one backend to the other one without fiddling with the database?
[17:28:00] Beirdo: I always had to fiddle the backend
[17:28:00] Beirdo: but it's been over a year since I ran two backends
[17:28:00] laga: umm, ok.
[17:28:00] laga: *sigh*
[17:29:00] laga: NFS is the way to go then.
[17:29:00] Beirdo: pretty much
[17:29:00] jonK: my mythtvbox must have frozen, that or the power has gone out in my apartment
[17:30:00] Beirdo: sue the power company
[17:30:00] jonK: I have the power
[17:30:00] Beirdo: so does anyone
[17:30:00] Beirdo: although I'm sure it would be classed as frivolous pretty damn quick
[17:31:00] Beirdo: if not, shame on the courts :)
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[17:32:00] Beirdo: travolta: Victoria or Vancouver?
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[17:33:00] Beirdo: oh oh, it's jasoncohen. stop talking about him... *snicker*
[17:33:00] jasoncohen: lol, what was that about?
[17:33:00] travolta: vancouver
[17:33:00] Beirdo: nothing, jasoncohen. welcome back
[17:34:00] Beirdo: travolta: cool.
[17:34:00] jasoncohen: ok, thanks
[17:34:00] Beirdo: how's the rain?
[17:34:00] laga: Beirdo: that was a really weird story.
[17:34:00] jasoncohen: well, it's official- i'll be spending 6 months at Oxford
[17:34:00] travolta: no raid today, its sunny
[17:34:00] Beirdo: nice. no rain AND on the west coast :)
[17:34:00] Beirdo: jasoncohen: have fun drinking British beer. I hope you learn something too :)
[17:35:00] jasoncohen: lol, i hope so too
[17:36:00] GeckoFiend: heh good beer crappy cooking
[17:36:00] Beirdo: and remember... Brits drive on the wrong side of the road
[17:36:00] Beirdo: I can deal with British cooking if I need to
[17:36:00] Beirdo: I like Scottish foods :)
[17:37:00] Beirdo: and fish & chips.. mmmmm
[17:37:00] laga: Beirdo: sausages for breakfast would kill me
[17:37:00] Beirdo: laga: are you SURE you're German?
[17:37:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:37:00] Beirdo: in Austria, people were eating Bratwurst and beer as breakfast
[17:37:00] laga: Beirdo: sauerkraut and schweinshaxen are ok. ;)
[17:37:00] Beirdo: maybe that's a more southern thing
[17:37:00] laga: hehe
[17:37:00] ** laga is like half french **
[17:38:00] Beirdo: mmm. sauerkraut
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[17:38:00] Beirdo: yeah, I know. up in Alsace & Lorraine general area, no?
[17:38:00] laga: yeah
[17:38:00] Beirdo: yeah, I think the brats & beer would be more Bavarian and Austrian :)
[17:39:00] laga: heh
[17:39:00] Beirdo: so since you don't live in Munich, you're forgiven :)
[17:39:00] Beirdo: I couldn't believe it when I saw that
[17:39:00] laga: what? the breakfast?
[17:39:00] Beirdo: 7:30am, and some yahoo eating brats and washing it down with a pint
[17:40:00] laga: hehe
[17:40:00] Beirdo: I can handle the little British-style bangers for breakfast
[17:40:00] Beirdo: but damn, not bratwurst
[17:40:00] Beirdo: which I love, but not that early.
[17:40:00] laga: when i get my bloody driver's licence, i really need to travel a bit in german
[17:40:00] Beirdo: you really should
[17:40:00] laga: iirc, i have two bratwursts in the fridge ;)
[17:41:00] Beirdo: and take lots of pictures of what old castles remain that us allies didn't flatten
[17:41:00] laga: heh
[17:42:00] Beirdo: My girlfriend at the end of high school went on exchange to Dusseldorf for 6 months... took lots of pictures, but I never got a chance to see them.
[17:42:00] Beirdo: BAH
[17:42:00] laga: that sucks ;)
[17:42:00] ** laga would be more interested in the various kinds of beer – gotta find some idiot to drive then ;) **
[17:43:00] Beirdo: hehehe
[17:43:00] Beirdo: aye
[17:45:00] laga: the english language has some pretty good pickup lines. i probably should travel to the UK.
[17:45:00] laga: 'The word of the day is "legs." Let's go back to my place and spread the word'
[17:45:00] stoffel: that is soooo lame
[17:46:00] laga: i like it ;)
[17:47:00] travolta: ahahhah
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[17:51:00] lespiggot: Hi, just startring to build my mythtv box but was wondering if my Remote Control supplied with the PVR350 card will work in mythtv, has anyone got it working?
[17:52:00] laga: yep, quite a few people use theirs successfully.
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[17:54:00] lespiggot: lago: thx, wasn't sure as the lirc talked about serial I/f rather than the 350 i/r/ socket. Hopefully I'll get it running tonight
[17:54:00] lespiggot: ops sorry laga for the typo :)
[17:54:00] Beirdo: stoffel: brats and beer your breakfast of choice? :)
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[17:55:00] stoffel: not really, a cup of black coffee is all i need
[17:55:00] Beirdo: good man :)
[17:56:00] Beirdo: black coffee plus a muffin or bagel usually for me
[17:56:00] laga: your stomach gotta be made of steel
[17:56:00] Beirdo: your point being? :)
[17:57:00] laga: that mine ain't ;)
[17:57:00] Beirdo: wuss :)
[17:57:00] Beirdo: croissant and OJ for you then?
[17:57:00] stoffel: laga: but your lungs aren't either ;)
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[17:57:00] GeckoFiend: heh If I have anything BUT coffee for the frist few hours i'm up I'm stick as a dog for half the day
[17:58:00] laga: stoffel: tar is very strong stuff, though ;)
[17:58:00] Beirdo: GeckoFiend is such an addict. I'm proud :)
[17:58:00] laga: Beirdo: no, a few buns, tea and some cigarettes ;)
[17:58:00] Beirdo: you eat ciggies for breakfast? :)
[17:59:00] Beirdo: Oooh, BBQ time
[17:59:00] laga: yummy, bbq
[17:59:00] Beirdo: gotta wait just a few moments longer
[17:59:00] laga: heh
[18:00:00] GeckoFiend: Beirdo heh I have my own custom drink as Starbucks and I go there enough that they know what I want when I walk in
[18:00:00] Beirdo: nice
[18:00:00] Beirdo: I do too :)
[18:00:00] Beirdo: the cute chicks remember my order
[18:00:00] Beirdo: :)
[18:01:00] Beirdo: half-decaf venti latte
[18:01:00] Beirdo: :)
[18:01:00] laga: 'oh no, the ugly fat guy again. quick, give him his coffee!'
[18:01:00] ** laga hides **
[18:01:00] stoffel: lol
[18:01:00] ** Beirdo slaps laga with a trout **
[18:01:00] Beirdo: I resemble that remark...
[18:01:00] laga: heh
[18:01:00] Beirdo: the manager's female and has a geeky boyfriend.
[18:01:00] Beirdo: (her words, not mine)
[18:02:00] laga: lol
[18:02:00] laga: note to self: get gigabit ethernet. soon.
[18:02:00] garrick: hi all
[18:03:00] laga: hi garrick
[18:03:00] garrick: with a PVR-350, I should be able to record and playback pre-recorded shows at the same time, right?
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[18:04:00] Beirdo: OK, BBQ...
[18:04:00] Beirdo: see ya suckers in a bit, I got free food to eat
[18:05:00] garrick: while it's recording something, I can browse my recorded shows, but when I select one, I get audio and no video
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[18:06:00] ** KarlosII searches for a place to buy the Linux Version of Heroes III!!! **
[18:07:00] ** KarlosII III **
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[18:25:00] travolta: garrick, you should be able to record and watch prerecorded shows
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[18:27:00] garrick: travolta: any ideas on why I only get audio and no video?
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[18:28:00] garrick: if it's not recording, I can watch live and record shows just fine
[18:28:00] garrick: err, watch live and recorded shows
[18:29:00] garrick: I need to run, I'll ask again later
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[19:04:00] Beirdo: Ahhh, one italian sausage, one bison burger :)
[19:05:00] LostSole: Beirdo: where'd you get the bison from?
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[19:10:00] Beirdo: President's Choice... from the supermarket
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[19:13:00] LostSole: heh... Have a friend who works for a guy who owns a buffalo ranch. As a gift to him (and then to us) he hooked us up with a whooole lot of buffalo meat. Good for chili, I thought. :)
[19:14:00] Beirdo: it would be :)
[19:14:00] travolta: presidents choice, aka no name :)
[19:15:00] Beirdo: no
[19:16:00] Beirdo: AKA Loblaws
[19:16:00] Beirdo: it's the house brand, and their brand is not No Name, which is another brand (stupid brand name)
[19:16:00] ** Beirdo is being pedantic **
[19:16:00] Beirdo: but yeah, only available at Loblaws and associated stores
[19:20:00] Beirdo: but hey, free food
[19:21:00] rjune: that and buffalo makes good eatin
[19:25:00] Beirdo: aye
[19:25:00] Beirdo: there were more left
[19:25:00] Beirdo: but I decided to do myself a favor and not overeat for once
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[19:27:00] Beirdo: oh crap
[19:27:00] Beirdo: I almost forgot
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[19:28:00] Beirdo sets mode -b rah!*@*
[19:28:00] Beirdo sets mode -o Beirdo
[19:28:00] Beirdo: I think his day of silence went well
[19:28:00] Beirdo: maybe he'll behave now
[19:29:00] CyberKnet: maybe
[19:31:00] Beirdo: dammit
[19:31:00] Beirdo: cfengine, you POS!
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[19:33:00] CyberKnet: wreaking havok on you? =)
[19:33:00] ** CyberKnet chuckles at the implication of that question **
[19:34:00] Beirdo: just not behaving quite right at times
[19:34:00] Beirdo: rebooting the test machine, one more audit to run
[19:35:00] Beirdo: then I get to jumpstart some machines
[19:35:00] CyberKnet: opened up my xbox last night to see how badly the power supply was fried
[19:36:00] Beirdo: survey says?
[19:37:00] Beirdo: and did you convince it to release your CD?
[19:37:00] CyberKnet: I convinced it to release my CD
[19:37:00] Beirdo: at gunpoint? :)
[19:37:00] CyberKnet: there were no burn marks on the motherboard or on the PSU
[19:37:00] CyberKnet: at screw driver point =)
[19:37:00] Beirdo: close enough
[19:38:00] CyberKnet: yep
[19:38:00] CyberKnet: for an electronic device.
[19:38:00] Beirdo: spit it OUT, damn you
[19:38:00] CyberKnet: I think that it may have just blown a fuse
[19:38:00] Beirdo: or you coulda just powered it up off a PC powersupply
[19:38:00] CyberKnet: but I didn't see anything that resembled a fuse.
[19:38:00] Beirdo: oh, well that's not hard to fix once you find it
[19:38:00] CyberKnet: nope, the dvd drive has a custom power connector.
[19:39:00] Beirdo: take your digital camera, take a picture right where the power line comes in
[19:39:00] Beirdo: I might be able to help identify a fuse
[19:39:00] CyberKnet: but I can power the xbox off a pc power supply, since the dvd drive gets power from the motherboard, and the motherboard has a standard atx power header, and the hdd just wants a regular molex power connector.
[19:39:00] CyberKnet: I will definitely take you up on that offer
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[19:40:00] CyberKnet: I am a moron when it comes to electronics.
[19:40:00] Beirdo: many people are
[19:40:00] CyberKnet: I know enough to not touch anything on that board =)
[19:40:00] CyberKnet: and that's about it.
[19:40:00] CyberKnet: the only difference between me and most electronics morons is that I know that I'm a moron.
[19:40:00] CyberKnet: =)
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[19:41:00] jonK: i know it's unpleasant to lick a 9v battery
[19:42:00] Beirdo: no it isn't
[19:42:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:42:00] Beirdo: it's a quick fun way to test the battery level
[19:42:00] Beirdo: don't try it with a 12V lantern battery or a car battery though
[19:43:00] jonK: the amperage in a car battery would be unpleasent, but how would i lick both the anode and diode, who am i gene simmons?
[19:44:00] rjune: jonK: cables man
[19:44:00] jonK: errr cathode and annode
[19:44:00] jonK: yes, seeking his first darwin award, jonK cabled his tongue to a car battery
[19:45:00] Beirdo: jumper cables?
[19:45:00] rjune: heh
[19:45:00] Beirdo: and anyways, you have a finite resistance
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[19:45:00] Beirdo: but it would hurt like hell
[19:46:00] rjune: prolly would forget about that pain in your ass for a bit
[19:46:00] jonK: pain in my ass?
[19:46:00] jonK: i have ass pain?
[19:46:00] rjune: whoever that happends to be
[19:47:00] jonK: i see... i think i'd have a problem with the grippers on the jumper cable, much pinching force
[19:47:00] jonK: and I'm very delicate
[19:51:00] jonK: I remember a amchine at an arcade near where I grew up. It had 2 metal cylinders for you to gra onto, put in a quarter and the electricity would increase until you let go — while a "manliness" indicator would increase
[19:53:00] jonK: as a pack of 5–6 12–13 year olds I'm suprised none of us managed to kill ourselves with it
[19:54:00] Beirdo: ummm
[19:54:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:54:00] Beirdo: the problem is...
[19:54:00] Beirdo: as the electricity increases, you CAN'T let go
[19:54:00] Beirdo: the muscles contract
[19:55:00] Beirdo: I've been given a live demonstration with me as the test subject
[19:55:00] Beirdo: I was ready to kick the plug out of the wall
[19:55:00] Beirdo: he had me up to 55VAC or so, I think
[19:55:00] Beirdo: sorry
[19:55:00] Beirdo: DC
[19:55:00] Beirdo: AC isn't nearly as bad
[19:55:00] jonK: roll hands off cylinders, might lock fingers closed but not moving arms back
[19:56:00] jonK: if grabbed loop instead of cylinder — problem
[19:56:00] jonK: we found if we made our hands wet first, it was more painful
[19:56:00] Beirdo: cylinder's just as bad
[19:56:00] Beirdo: you have to pull against the thumb if yer gonna try to do that
[19:57:00] jonK: how so? 10cm cylinder pull up not back
[19:57:00] Beirdo: after they guy shut the machine off (was a hydro demonstration) I was ready to punch him in the head :)
[19:57:00] jonK: and at age 13 we were all pretty good wiht that particualr motion
[19:57:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:57:00] Beirdo: no kidding
[19:58:00] jonK: although by age 25 we of course perfected it
[19:59:00] jonK: at 55VAC couldy you just not un-contract muscles?
[19:59:00] jonK: or was it painful as well
[19:59:00] Beirdo: AC isn't an issue
[19:59:00] jonK: I read about someone who put a "shockpad
[19:59:00] Beirdo: it's the constant current that causes the contraction of muscle
[20:00:00] Beirdo: AC current switches direction 60 times a second
[20:00:00] jonK: into a pong console game, as you played the more you lost the stronger the shocks became
[20:00:00] Beirdo: sorry, 120 times a second... twice per cycle
[20:00:00] Beirdo: AC shocks are just OUCH
[20:00:00] Beirdo: DC shocks can easily kill
[20:01:00] Beirdo: especially if the current path goes through the heart
[20:01:00] jonK: what uses DC? (NY Subway), but anything else?
[20:01:00] Beirdo: that's one muscle you don't want contracting and staying that way
[20:01:00] Beirdo: a lot of high-power transmission lines and stuff, if I remember right
[20:02:00] Beirdo: cars
[20:02:00] Beirdo: :)
[20:02:00] Beirdo: phone systems
[20:04:00] Beirdo: 48VDC.
[20:05:00] Beirdo: in Toronto some tech guy dropped a metal wrench onto the telco batteries, vaporized the metal wrench, large explosion, he died (I think) and Toronto lost half it's phone service
[20:05:00] Beirdo: it was the main CO in downtown
[20:05:00] Beirdo: oooops
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[20:06:00] Beirdo: that was 4 or 5 summers ago
[20:06:00] jonK: cars? why? what's the advantage to DC
[20:06:00] Beirdo: I was at the Toronto Molson Indy at the time
[20:06:00] rjune: jonK: your car
[20:06:00] rjune: jonK: your computer
[20:06:00] Jouster: Heya, I've got a weird one. MySQL refuses to work.
[20:06:00] Beirdo: jonK: you can't easily store AC
[20:06:00] jonK: ah
[20:06:00] Beirdo: and almost all electronics uses DC
[20:06:00] Jouster: It's as though it's not binding to the port.
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[20:06:00] Jouster: It works through UNIX sockets, just not through TCP/IP.
[20:07:00] jonK: so no wonder the TIVO hacking docs were filled with warings about the open power supply
[20:07:00] rjune: as I remember it, DC is easier to control on a finer level
[20:07:00] Beirdo: Jouster: check the my.cnf file and make sure it's told to bind to the network
[20:07:00] rjune: all the power supply does is take the 110 and convert it to 12V and 5V
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[20:07:00] Jouster: I have a port= parameter in /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[20:07:00] Jouster: Do I need more than that?
[20:07:00] jonK: I worked with some power conditioning technology a couple years ago... but don't remeber all the details
[20:07:00] jonK: jouster — look for a line "skip networking"
[20:08:00] jonK: and comment it out
[20:08:00] Beirdo: yeah, find the skip networking
[20:08:00] jonK: or a line "bind 127.0.0.1"
[20:08:00] Beirdo: yup
[20:08:00] ** rjune knows enough about electricity to know where *NOT* to stick his fingers **
[20:08:00] Beirdo: or that :)
[20:08:00] rjune: and do minor repairs
[20:08:00] Beirdo: rjune: there are more important appendages to protect than fingers
[20:08:00] jonK: for IC chip testing (wafer testing) the stable power supply was critical
[20:09:00] rjune: Beirdo: I keep them away from electricity as a matter of course
[20:09:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:09:00] jonK: wow you two are more advanced, it's all i can do to avoid sharp corners
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[20:10:00] jonK: (has a glass coffee table with sharp corners; constantly banging shins into them)
[20:10:00] rjune: my dad designed computers, I picked it up from him
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[20:11:00] ** Beirdo has an elec. eng degree **
[20:11:00] Beirdo: :)
[20:12:00] Jouster: Roger, skip-networking is there.
[20:12:00] Jouster: Is that KnoppMyth's fault.
[20:12:00] Jouster: ?, even?
[20:12:00] jonK: are you trying to access from a remote front end?
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[20:12:00] ** rjune has no degree, just some experiance doing a little of this and a little of that **
[20:12:00] Jouster: Negative, but Myth insists on an IP address; it won't use UNIX sockets.
[20:14:00] jonK: so comment out the skip networking
[20:14:00] jonK: restart the mysqld daemon
[20:14:00] jonK: has computer engineering degree-- more focus on software
[20:14:00] Jouster: Oh, done, fixed.
[20:15:00] Jouster: But I was wondering to whom to submit the bug report.
[20:15:00] ** Jouster has 10 years of experience in CS, but no degree. Translation: can do anything but build a compiler. **
[20:15:00] rjune: and make mythtv work. :-D
[20:16:00] Jouster: :-P
[20:16:00] Jouster: I already got it past a whole bunch of other issues.
[20:16:00] jonK: that's mostly what my background was — compiler/os/analysis of algorithm type work
[20:17:00] jonK: thinking about going back for degree in chem though
[20:17:00] Jouster: I'm just not used to these distributions; I always create a my.cnf in /var, so it's server-specific, rather than /etc. It seems... well, it just seems like it doesn't belong in /etc if it's server-specific configuration.
[20:18:00] Jouster: (c.f. my.cnf documentation; ~/my.cnf for user-specific, /var for server-specific, /etc for site-wide config.
[20:18:00] Chutt: you're running multiple completly separate mysql instances?
[20:27:00] Jouster: No, no.
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[20:28:00] Jouster: But when you have a farm of MySQL servers, settings in /etc mean a hell of a lot more than mere /var ones.
[20:28:00] Jouster: Anyway, /me is off to get the OC3 installed. Anyone wanna come play on it?  ;)
[20:28:00] ** Jouster is away: OC3.... yay! **
[20:29:00] Beirdo: I could saturate it for ya
[20:29:00] Beirdo: I don't think the boss would appreciate it though
[20:29:00] Beirdo: :)
[20:30:00] stoffel: how was the bbq?
[20:30:00] Beirdo: not too bad
[20:30:00] Beirdo: free food is always good
[20:30:00] mocker: Wait.
[20:30:00] mocker: Why would you put my.cnf files in /var?
[20:30:00] jonK: oc3?
[20:30:00] stoffel: nice
[20:31:00] kormoc: jonK, high speed isdn line.
[20:31:00] Beirdo: OC3 is piddly... :)
[20:31:00] Beirdo: it's not ISDN
[20:31:00] mocker: /var is for files that are constantly changing..
[20:31:00] Beirdo: it's SONET or ATM over fibre
[20:31:00] mocker: Oh, I missed him.
[20:31:00] Chutt: mocker, that's what i was getting at
[20:31:00] Beirdo: OC3 is only 155Mbit/s though :)
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[20:31:00] ** Beirdo chuckles **
[20:31:00] Beirdo: I'd love to have "only" OC3 for home
[20:31:00] Beirdo: I ain't paying for it though
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[20:32:00] rben: Hi, I'm trying to get my remote to work again after I installed another TV card. I now have a PVR-250 and a PVR-350. irw returned data, and I set up the lircd, but I must have done something wrong, because the remote does not work.
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[20:34:00] travolta: did you run irexec ?
[20:34:00] travolta: and setup your config file ?
[20:34:00] rben: no, what is irexec?
[20:34:00] rben: I did set up the config files
[20:35:00] travolta: ~/.lircrc config file
[20:35:00] travolta: or maybe its ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[20:35:00] rben: I did both
[20:35:00] rben: one is linked to the other
[20:35:00] rben: irw works
[20:35:00] travolta: ok, run irexec
[20:35:00] rben: I get stuff like 1fd1 00 VOL- hauppaugegrey
[20:36:00] travolta: in irw ?
[20:36:00] travolta: in the output from irw ?
[20:36:00] rben: yeah
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[20:36:00] rben: lots of zeros in front of the 1fd1
[20:36:00] travolta: cool, ctrl+c to exit irw
[20:36:00] rben: done
[20:36:00] travolta: now run /usr/local/bin/irexec
[20:37:00] travolta: and then try it in mythtv
[20:37:00] rben: got errors: could not open config files /root/.lircrc and /etc/lircrc
[20:37:00] rben: huh
[20:37:00] jonK: run irexec?
[20:38:00] rben: one sec, need to be mythtv I think
[20:38:00] travolta: my advice is not expert advice :)
[20:38:00] jonK: is this the hauppague with the four color buttons on the bottom?
[20:38:00] travolta: yea, i have that remote
[20:38:00] rben: ok irexec is running
[20:38:00] jonK: do you have an lircrc in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/
[20:39:00] jonK: an lircrc file
[20:39:00] rben: let me double check
[20:39:00] travolta: are you root? bad
[20:39:00] rben: I'm not root now
[20:39:00] rben: I'm mythtv
[20:40:00] travolta: ok, why'd it say cant open /root/.lircrc ?
[20:40:00] travolta: werid
[20:40:00] rben: there is an lircrc file in ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[20:40:00] jonK: becuase the file doesn't exist
[20:40:00] rben: cause I was root
[20:40:00] rben: and there wasn't a file there
[20:40:00] rben: so I su'd to mythtv
[20:40:00] rben: irexec will run now
[20:40:00] jonK: is the lircrc file the correct one for your remote
[20:40:00] rben: I believe so
[20:41:00] rben: I have the grey remote and I'm using the file that was so labeled
[20:41:00] rben: the buttons match the description in the file
[20:41:00] travolta: so you are "mythtv" user now? is there a /home/mythtv/.lircrc file ?
[20:42:00] rben: no, there is one that's lircrc
[20:42:00] rben: not .lircrc
[20:42:00] jonK: no, should be /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc
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[20:42:00] rben: the .lircrc is in ~
[20:42:00] travolta: sorry, my bad
[20:42:00] jonK: and i dont think you need to run irexec to get teh remote to work with mythtv
[20:42:00] jonK: at least i didn't
[20:42:00] rben: I got what jonK said
[20:42:00] jonK: good, do you have lircd running?
[20:43:00] jonK: (you must, if irw worked)
[20:43:00] jonK: nvm
[20:43:00] jonK: run myth and see what happens
[20:43:00] rben: I'll restart the frontend
[20:43:00] travolta: you need irexec for stuff like starting mythfrontend / other commands
[20:43:00] travolta: non mythfronend commands
[20:43:00] rben: right
[20:43:00] rben: I've had this working before
[20:43:00] rben: need to keep better notes
[20:44:00] rben: now it's working
[20:44:00] rben: I'll bet I forgot to restart front end
[20:44:00] rben: doh
[20:44:00] rben: but some buttons don't work... huh
[20:44:00] rben: up and down work, but not side to side
[20:45:00] travolta: edit ~/lircrc to make the buttons work
[20:45:00] travolta: use irw to see the button names
[20:45:00] jonK: and them map the button name into the entry for lircrc
[20:45:00] rben: k
[20:46:00] rben: I wonder...
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[20:47:00] ** travolta wonders what rben is wondering about **
[20:47:00] rben: trying the original config file
[20:48:00] rben: I copied another one in, wonder if it's wrong since it's for the silver hauppauge
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[20:48:00] travolta: if irw gives responeses for all the buttons, i think its ok
[20:49:00] rben: that means that lircd is ok, but might have wrong mapping. thats what lircrc does
[20:49:00] rben: perfect, works now
[20:49:00] rben: nifty neat cool and kean
[20:49:00] rben: keen rather
[20:49:00] Cairan: anyone around here has had strange problems with the Program Guide — like displaying Unknowns for all the channels while in EPR, but yet the program info is displayed correctly in MythWEB and while watching TV in Browse Mode?
[20:51:00] rben: did you check the forums?
[20:51:00] Cairan: yah
[20:51:00] rben: so your channel stuff looks good in the guide?
[20:51:00] rben: did you try running mythtvfilldatabase?
[20:51:00] Cairan: so far nothing for this problem... came accross issues involving Fedora and stuff... Strange thing is it began doing so on it's own...
[20:51:00] Cairan: yeah... and it runs ok...
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[20:52:00] rben: huh
[20:52:00] Cairan: Channel/Program info is good in MythWeb and in Browse Mode while watching TV, but only a bunch of unknowns when in Schedule of Fullscreen Program Guide
[20:52:00] Cairan: I rate this as -twilight zone- stuff :-P
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[20:52:00] rben: what version are you on?
[20:52:00] travolta: never heard of that problem
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[20:53:00] Cairan: 18.1... and it began doing it spontaneously today...
[20:53:00] Fat_Matt: Cairan: I had something like that once, something to do with the xmltv config files, can't remember what, are you using xmltv or the US zap thing?
[20:53:00] Cairan: I've been using it for 2 weeks without any hitch..
[20:53:00] rben: LxM is great
[20:53:00] Cairan: US Database...
[20:53:00] rben: that would use up the first batch of data
[20:53:00] rben: it grabs 2 weeks at a time
[20:54:00] rben: So Cairan, you're not using zap2it or Lxm?
[20:54:00] Cairan: I had a crash last night so -maybe- a file got corrupted... it's not the database since the info is ok and else MySQL would have cried for help at startup... tried to do a fresh make install but it did not resolve the issue, so I'm out of ideas...
[20:54:00] Cairan: zap2it
[20:55:00] rben: You just set up the system 2 weeks ago?
[20:55:00] Cairan: well a little more than that, say 3 weeks...
[20:56:00] rben: you have enabled 'Show program guide when starting Live TV'?
[20:57:00] Cairan: no it's disabled
[20:57:00] rben: try that
[20:57:00] rben: see if it gives you unknowns
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[20:58:00] Cairan: it gives me unkowns in the Manage/Schedule/Program Guide and when I go to Program Guide from the Menu while watching Live TV, but else, the program info is good...
[20:58:00] Cairan: will try, brb
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[20:58:00] rben: ok
[20:58:00] Cairan: nah it's still a bunch of unknowns, as I thought...
[20:59:00] Cairan: seems the Program Guide fullscreen browser is corrupted or something...
[20:59:00] rben: damn, mine looks fine
[20:59:00] rben: you checked the output from filldatabase carefully?
[20:59:00] Cairan: so that begs the question, how do I flush everything MythTV related without loosing info on my already recorded shows...?
[20:59:00] Cairan: filldatabase runs fine........
[20:59:00] rben: I don't think you can
[21:00:00] Cairan: darn.........
[21:00:00] rben: I have lost a lot of program
[21:00:00] rben: wait
[21:00:00] rben: you could transcode them
[21:00:00] rben: and then they'd just be files for you to run
[21:00:00] rben: I think
[21:00:00] rben: but I'm far from expert
[21:00:00] Cairan: well, I'm using a Hauppagge 250 so it's all in MPEG2 so that's not that bad...
[21:00:00] rben: I keep breaking my system
[21:00:00] rben: and reinstalling
[21:00:00] rben: so I'm getting really good at installing
[21:00:00] Cairan: it's just a pain to rename them from those 4534253452345_45234523423452354.nuv filenames lol
[21:01:00] rben: use completion
[21:01:00] rben: hit tab after the first few chars
[21:01:00] rben: let the shell do the work
[21:01:00] Cairan: I'm not a n00b you know :-P
[21:01:00] Cairan: I really came here out of desperation lol
[21:01:00] rben: actually, I had no way of knowing
[21:01:00] rben: no offense meant
[21:02:00] Cairan: yeah, well I'm pointing that out now so that we don't go too low in the customer support scripts :-P
[21:02:00] rben: :)
[21:02:00] Cairan: the worst part is...
[21:02:00] Cairan: I wanted to do a backup today...
[21:02:00] Cairan: ?&%$&?&
[21:02:00] rben: can't mplayer and xine play mpeg2s?
[21:03:00] Cairan: yeah that's not a problem, it's just that I was getting used to browsing thru my MythBusters videos from the MythTV interface lol
[21:03:00] rben: yeah
[21:03:00] rben: makes life nice
[21:03:00] rben: my wife just about killed me when I broke the mythbox
[21:03:00] Cairan: lollllllllllllll
[21:03:00] GeckoFiend: Cairanuse mythlink.sh t5o get decent file names for all of them
[21:04:00] CyberKnet: You know there are scripts that can set up symlinks to your nuv files that contain show name and episode title
[21:04:00] Cairan: nice :)
[21:04:00] rben: That's cool
[21:04:00] rben: I wonder if you made a backup and then restored if it would help or hurt
[21:04:00] Cairan: nah the harm's done...
[21:04:00] Fat_Matt: Cairan: you can try backing up the database, reinstalling, then relaoading only the table with the already recorded shwo data?
[21:05:00] rben: yeah, you could save that out seperately
[21:05:00] Cairan: hmm... nice idea Fat_Matt ...
[21:05:00] CyberKnet: GeckoFiend: I prefer this one here: http://pastebin.ca/11133?srch=mythtv%26symlink%26file
[21:05:00] CyberKnet: GeckoFiend: YMMV
[21:05:00] Cairan: So which tables are used to index past recordings, ... will go check that out...
[21:06:00] rben: anyone know what button on the remote is supposed to bring up the PIP?
[21:06:00] clintar: blah blah blah
[21:06:00] rben: and to change tuners?
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[21:06:00] GeckoFiend: CyberKnet I have my own version of mythlink as well
[21:06:00] GeckoFiend: yours is cleaner though
[21:07:00] CyberKnet: I think pastebin messed it up some.
[21:07:00] CyberKnet: it had been there for a while though.
[21:07:00] CyberKnet: my perl-fu is very bad =)
[21:07:00] rben: when I hit the key to switch tuners, it stays on tuner 0
[21:07:00] Beirdo: your yuck-fou?
[21:08:00] CyberKnet: er... if it floats your boat
[21:08:00] CyberKnet: FYI, the perl script can be gotten here in a usable form: http://pastebin.ca/raw/11133
[21:09:00] CyberKnet: I keep meaning to submit that for contrib... but every time I go to do it I think that it has to be inferior to solutions other people have come up with =P"
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[21:10:00] rben: yay, got pip working!
[21:11:00] CyberKnet: I meant to steal the db configuration section from nuvexport so that the username and password didn't need to reside in the perl script
[21:11:00] CyberKnet: but never quite got to it =)
[21:11:00] Beirdo: I know that feeling
[21:12:00] Beirdo: too much shit to do, not enough hours
[21:12:00] CyberKnet: if only the authors of nuvexport would get off their ass and install that section as a site wide perl module
[21:12:00] CyberKnet: =P"
[21:12:00] Beirdo: yuck fou
[21:12:00] CyberKnet: hahahahah
[21:14:00] rben: my yuck fou is very powerful
[21:18:00] Fat_Matt: I've got to dissable the red key on my remote, it sends an alt-f4 and switches the mythtv box to another screen, my 12month old son has figured out it does stuff
[21:21:00] Fat_Matt: either that or he just likes pressing it because its red
[21:21:00] Beirdo: or because it makes you crazy :)
[21:23:00] Fat_Matt: it's been making me laugh, I think thats encouraging him. It makes my wife crazy, the way she fixes it is to reboot... not pretty
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[21:26:00] Beirdo: heh
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[21:32:00] Cairan: ok, reinstall time, nothing worked so let's scrap it and start over from scratch... bye everyone!
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[21:59:00] hicks: Anyone here use xbmcmythtv scripts?
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[22:08:00] SteveHolt: yeah, I use xbmcmythtv
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[22:24:00] hicks: SteveHolt, Have you any idea why I get an error playing back recorded shows saying "unable to find show ....."?
[22:24:00] hicks: I can browse the samba share normally from the xbox
[22:24:00] hicks: and can select shows via xbmcmythtv
[22:24:00] hicks: so I'm assuming both smb and mysql is working correctly.
[22:25:00] hicks: It also errors with unable to find screenshot.
[22:25:00] hicks: So it looks like its not finding the samba share, or the file on the share.
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[22:29:00] SteveHolt: did you setup and test your settings for the samba share in xbmcmythtv?
[22:29:00] hicks: yes.
[22:29:00] SteveHolt: what versions of mythtv?
[22:29:00] hicks: 0.18
[22:30:00] SteveHolt: yeah, I'm not really sure what would cause that
[22:30:00] SteveHolt: I have to say, mine worked perfectly out of the box
[22:30:00] SteveHolt: I don't even know where you could find help for xbmcmythtv
[22:30:00] hicks: Which versions are you running?
[22:31:00] SteveHolt: 0.18–1 for mythtv amd cvs for xbmcmythtv
[22:32:00] hicks: hmm.
[22:33:00] hicks: oh well, I'll go recheck everything just in case I've missed something.
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[22:59:00] travolta: maybe theres a linux live cd for xbox with mythtv on it
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[23:13:00] jsldub: can someone point me to a good howto focusing in having a separate backend?
[23:14:00] jonK: jsldub, what issues are you runing into
[23:15:00] jsldub: well i set this thing up, and realized i need a bit more cpu power. the machine i want as the front end has the full myth install
[23:15:00] jsldub: does the frontend, or backend run the tv hardware?
[23:15:00] jsldub: tv input that is
[23:16:00] jonK: backend takes the input
[23:16:00] jonK: if by tv input you mean the signal
[23:16:00] jonK: cable, dish, over the air...
[23:16:00] jsldub: yes
[23:17:00] jsldub: so all the front end will do is basically control what the backend will do, and play video/audio streams?
[23:18:00] jonK: no the backend controls what it does, the frontend is your interface to it
[23:18:00] jonK: although, we're getting a bit semantics
[23:18:00] jsldub: yea
[23:19:00] jsldub: well, i will be watching the frontend. will the frontend also be taking remote control input?
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[23:20:00] smeagel: Hi — Does anybody know how to stretch/adjust the screen size using the nvidia module to x.org?
[23:20:00] smeagel: xvidtune doesn't work
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[23:20:00] smeagel: the tv out needs to be moved a little bit and stretched more, any idea's?
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[23:20:00] smeagel: It would obvioulsy be easy on a monitr, but my TV doesn't have a menu (that I can find) for video repositioning
[23:21:00] rjune: smeagel: you could play with the X modelines
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[23:22:00] smeagel: never looked at that before, i'll google it a bit, thx
[23:22:00] jsldub: xvidtune
[23:22:00] jonK: yes remote is used with teh frontend
[23:23:00] smeagel: xvidtune won't do it
[23:23:00] smeagel: it's not adjusting the picture
[23:23:00] smeagel: when i tell it to go to the left and hit "test" it says it's testing but nothing changes
[23:23:00] jsldub: do you know of a way to set keyboard bindings for myth?
[23:24:00] smeagel: is xvidtune a frontend for messing with modelines?
[23:24:00] jsldub: i dont know the technical terms, it stretches and moves your viewable areac
[23:25:00] smeagel: yeah i tried it it doesn't work
[23:25:00] smeagel: from the man page it looks like it is a frontend to adjust the modelines...which probably means changing modelines won't work
[23:25:00] jsldub: hrolly because your horizontal refresh is fixed at 60hz with a tv
[23:26:00] smeagel: horizontal is 30–50
[23:26:00] smeagel: vertical is 50
[23:26:00] smeagel: right?
[23:26:00] smeagel: I got those as sample values from the nvidia driver site
[23:26:00] jsldub: wait a sec
[23:28:00] jsldub: http://www.gmpf.de/index.php/NVidia:TV-OUT#De . . . _its_options
[23:28:00] jsldub: that is the one i followed
[23:28:00] Beirdo: jsldub: vertical refresh in NTSC is 60Hz, not horizontal :)
[23:29:00] Beirdo: and 50Hz for PAL
[23:29:00] jsldub: yea
[23:29:00] Beirdo: :)
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[23:33:00] Chutt: it's not 60
[23:33:00] Chutt: it's close, but it's not 60
[23:34:00] smeagel: yeah
[23:34:00] smeagel: well did you guys have any problems with it fully displaying on your TV?
[23:35:00] smeagel: Do you use composite or svideo?
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