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Tuesday, June 21st, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] Bearcat: i'd like to set up lirc on my linux box. I'm looking at hardware and i found a little usb ircd dongle. Anyone know what kind of range these things have?
[00:00:00] kormoc: doomed, myth is ment more to just sit there and record 24x7 when there's a tv show you want on, and then you can watch it whenever you want
[00:00:00] doomed: kormoc Road Runner's cable, would I need the companies box or just work with PCI/external TV tuner?
[00:00:00] kormoc: doomed, a laptop losing cable and comming back to it a lot would get annoying to say the least.
[00:00:00] kormoc: doomed, if it's analog, card will be all you need, if it's digital, you'd need to use their box
[00:01:00] doomed: kormoc I have a lappie that doesn't move stay there all the time
[00:01:00] xai: Can someone advise on a box that can be used to simply watch local hdtv broadcasts?
[00:01:00] xai: s/box/card or whatever/
[00:01:00] jonK: an HDTV?
[00:01:00] kormoc: doomed, the px tv cards are really your only option imho
[00:01:00] kormoc: doomed, erm, px external usb cards.
[00:01:00] jonK: bestbuy whould have many HDTV's
[00:01:00] GreyFoxx: xai: over the air hdtv? the air2pc or the pchdtv cards
[00:02:00] jonK: i would used an HDTV to watch local hdtv broadcasts
[00:02:00] xai: greyfox: yes.. nothing more than locally broadcasted stuff.
[00:02:00] doomed: kormoc do I need companies box for Warner's Cable???
[00:02:00] doomed: to watch those 1000 channels?
[00:02:00] xai: johk: out tv isnt hdtv.
[00:02:00] jonK: out tv?"
[00:02:00] GreyFoxx: doomed are you just ignoring what we are saying?
[00:03:00] kormoc: doomed, if it's analog, no, if it's digital, yes.
[00:03:00] xai: s/out/out
[00:03:00] xai: our
[00:03:00] GreyFoxx: ANAGLOG CABLE DOES NOT NEED A BOX
[00:03:00] xai: damn. i can't type
[00:03:00] GreyFoxx: DIGITAL NEEDS A BOX
[00:03:00] doomed: GreyFoxx sorry
[00:03:00] jonK: then go to best buy, purchase new tv?
[00:03:00] doomed: well how in the world I am supposed to know whether the cable is Digital or analog??
[00:03:00] jonK: seriously, pcHDTC 3000 is the way to go
[00:03:00] xai: johK: what does that cost?
[00:03:00] GreyFoxx: cause cable companies advertise it as digital cable :)
[00:04:00] kormoc: doomed, you'd know better then we would :P
[00:04:00] kormoc: doomed, call up and ask them what your plan is?
[00:04:00] jonK: plug your cable into your tv without the cable box, see if your cable ready tv can tune channels
[00:04:00] jonK: if so, it's analog
[00:04:00] jonK: signal
[00:04:00] doomed: GreyFoxx ohhh so is Times Warneer's cable digital or analog???
[00:04:00] GreyFoxx: mocmocboth
[00:04:00] GreyFoxx: both
[00:04:00] jonK: both may be transported down same channel
[00:04:00] doomed: jonK ohhh I see what you are saying now
[00:04:00] GreyFoxx: basically anything under 100 is usually analog
[00:04:00] kormoc: doomed, they have digital and analog, it depends on what plan you have.
[00:05:00] jonK: seriously, pchdtv 3000 is the way to go
[00:05:00] doomed: kormoc 'cause I have this friend that plugged the cable into the TV and saw some channles
[00:05:00] jonK: or at least so i'm told — still waiting for hdtv3000 card
[00:05:00] doomed: channels
[00:05:00] jonK: he saw analog ones then
[00:05:00] doomed: yeah
[00:05:00] GreyFoxx: they might not be filtering the analog channels
[00:05:00] jonK: u.s. tv
[00:05:00] jonK: s' dont have digital decoders
[00:06:00] doomed: so then what's a PX TV USB card?
[00:06:00] doomed: what brand sell them?
[00:06:00] jonK: no idea
[00:06:00] GreyFoxx: Plextor is the company
[00:06:00] kormoc: px=plextor
[00:06:00] jonK: plextor
[00:06:00] jonK: ahh...
[00:06:00] kormoc: pxtv is the card
[00:06:00] doomed: sweet
[00:06:00] jonK: i don't think they are mythfriendly
[00:06:00] doomed: I thought I had to get ATI's WONDER something
[00:06:00] doomed: Wonder PC
[00:07:00] jonK: doomed, take a look at the hauppauge series
[00:07:00] jonK: hauppauge.com
[00:07:00] GreyFoxx: those are not the best supported under Linux
[00:07:00] doomed: aright
[00:07:00] jonK: which are not? ATIs?
[00:07:00] GreyFoxx: From everything I've read yes
[00:07:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, jonK, he's gonna use it on a laptop, no pci slots.
[00:07:00] jonK: just checking, messages would have supported interpreting your comment to hauppauge
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[00:08:00] jonK: aahhh... then the plextor mt402 is all you got, afaik
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[00:08:00] xai: I see on the website that the air2pc card is supported by the linux-dvb drivers.. is the pchdtv supported by proprietary drivers?
[00:09:00] rtsai: pchddtv also uses linux-dvb
[00:09:00] GreyFoxx: The pchdtv use to be only usable with their own driver, but recently they dvb drivers have been made for it as well
[00:09:00] doomed: is this one ok ?? http://www.hauppauge.com/Pages/products/data_usb2.html
[00:10:00] xai: greyfoxx: thanks.. you too jonk
[00:10:00] GreyFoxx: I don't know if it's supported. You'd have to search for drivers
[00:10:00] doomed: ohh
[00:10:00] doomed: then I have to look for a driver??
[00:11:00] kormoc: doomed, the pxtv model jonK said is the only one I know is supported under linux at the moment.
[00:11:00] kormoc: yeah, or write one yourself
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[00:11:00] doomed: Currently the external Hauppauge WinTV USB2 Card doesn't work with Linux.
[00:11:00] kormoc: you could write a driver
[00:11:00] GreyFoxx: \
[00:13:00] doomed: WHAATT $199 !!!
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[00:14:00] jonK: 199 for what?
[00:14:00] kormoc: the pxtv
[00:14:00] kormoc: yeah, it's costly, it's also a hardware mpeg-4 encoder
[00:14:00] jonK: for a usb encoder that can do mpeg 2/4 encoding? A bargain at twice the price
[00:14:00] ** GreyFoxx wonders how close to 0% battery power he can get before his laptop just dies **
[00:15:00] jonK: in fact i think i'll order 2
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[00:15:00] doomed: lol
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[00:15:00] doomed: any Gentoo users around??
[00:15:00] doomed: I just installed Gentoo yesterday
[00:15:00] GreyFoxx: I'm sure there are :)
[00:16:00] datenz: so firewire support with a motorola 62something box worked in 0.17, but after a gentoo update to 0.18.1 getting mpeg2 from firewire doesn't work anymore.. the only thing that looks like an error in the backend output is:
[00:16:00] datenz: libiec61883 warning: Transmission node has no plugs online!
[00:16:00] doomed: it was cool
[00:16:00] kormoc: doomed, I'm a gentoo user.
[00:16:00] GreyFoxx: there is also a #gentoo-mythtv specific channel
[00:16:00] xai: Is there an appliance type of system that would work for mythtv and still have enough power to render hdtv?
[00:16:00] doomed: kormoc it took freaking lotta time... but it paid off in the ned
[00:16:00] doomed: end
[00:16:00] kormoc: I forget how long the install takes
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[00:16:00] kormoc: I did it over 5 years ago
[00:16:00] doomed: kormoc ricers of the world EMERGE!!!
[00:17:00] GreyFoxx: woo 12 mins of power left
[00:17:00] GreyFoxx: I should go find my power adapter
[00:18:00] kormoc: doomed, it's not that it's a ricer thing, it's more I love the package management.
[00:18:00] GreyFoxx: I've installed gentoo a time or two to check it out, used it on a laptop fo ra month, that';s about all
[00:20:00] ** GreyFoxx goes to feed his kid **
[00:20:00] GreyFoxx: *p00f*
[00:20:00] xai: greyfox: since i'll be using a normal tv to view hd, can I get away with a lower powered cpu?
[00:21:00] jonK: does the plextor card do HD?
[00:21:00] jonK: err plextor USB device??
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[00:25:00] kormoc: jonK, agaik, no it doesn't
[00:27:00] xai: knoppmyth looks like fun.
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[00:30:00] j-rod: xai, no, you can't get a lower-powered cpu
[00:30:00] j-rod: the hard part is decoding the mpeg2
[00:31:00] j-rod: an no, the plextor thing doesn't do HD (assuming kormoc's agaik was supposed to be afaik)
[00:31:00] kormoc: j-rod, yeah, typo :P
[00:31:00] doomed: is there a channel for MPlayer?
[00:31:00] j-rod: xai, you might look at a unichrome pro system
[00:32:00] j-rod: unichrome pro systems can decode HDTV in hardware w/relatively little cpu usage
[00:34:00] j-rod: ricers... heh...
[00:34:00] xai: j-rod: thanks.. thats a video card?
[00:34:00] j-rod: yes and no
[00:34:00] xai: j-rod: i see it integrated into mobos.
[00:35:00] j-rod: I dunno if you can get a unichrome pro video card that isn't integrated
[00:35:00] j-rod: haven't ever seen one, anyhow
[00:35:00] xai: Looks like an accellerator type thing.
[00:35:00] jonK: i see that word thrown around a lot, what's unichrome?
[00:35:00] j-rod: unichrome pro is the graphics chipset on the latest Via EPIA systems
[00:35:00] j-rod: (and derivatives)
[00:36:00] j-rod: it includes some mpeg2 hardware decoding capabilities
[00:36:00] jonK: ahhh...
[00:36:00] xai: I see it on some low-cost athlon/sempron boards..
[00:37:00] jonK: ricer == put a big wing on it so it go faster?
[00:38:00] j-rod: ricer == people who think their cheap-ass (usually asian-mfg) car can be made into a race car by adding stupid parts like obscenely big wings and the like, yeah
[00:38:00] jonK: exhaust big enough to fit head into
[00:38:00] simon_c: Hi All.
[00:38:00] jonK: vroom!
[00:38:00] j-rod: meanwhile, their car will get STOMPED by a stock eurpean sports car of halfway decent vintage... :)
[00:38:00] simon_c: Does anyone know of a good place for suse RPM files ? ideally SRPM files ?
[00:39:00] j-rod: packman
[00:39:00] simon_c: j-rod: packman ?
[00:39:00] jonK: it's been 25 years since pacman came out
[00:40:00] j-rod: http://www.google.com/search?q=suse+packman&a . . . amp;oe=utf-8
[00:40:00] jonK: inspired by a pizza with a slice removed
[00:40:00] Grant-: indeed that's why he said packman
[00:40:00] jonK: that and the fact that at the time, the screen could have one of 6 shapes
[00:40:00] jonK: not a lot of polygons at the time
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[00:43:00] simon_c: j-rod: No sign of a myth rpm on there. But plenty of otherr RPS
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[00:46:00] j-rod: you didn't say you needed a myth rpm
[00:46:00] j-rod: you just said you needed rpms
[00:46:00] j-rod: Only myth rpms I'm aware of are those from Oystein
[00:47:00] j-rod: (not sure on the spelling of his name)
[00:48:00] simon_c: j-rod: Just looking for a SPEC file I can mangle, and get working for suse. the packman link loos great. Thanks.
[00:49:00] j-rod: might try the RH/FC spec file at atrpms.net
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[00:50:00] simon_c: j-rod: will do. thaks.
[00:50:00] j-rod: np
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[00:59:00] mrplum: festival+mythpone=pain
[00:59:00] mrplum: lots of undeclared errors, don't get it
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[01:04:00] JohnnyQuest: hello
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[01:38:00] Amuk: Call me stupid, but I cannot find where to enter a channel change stript in mythtv-setup. In Input Connections I only have the one "Connect source to input" screen.
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[01:46:00] iggy: Amuk: it's near there where you set the default channel and such
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[01:47:00] doomed: does MYTHTV work in USA??
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[01:47:00] Amuk: Only things I have on the Input connections screen are the Capture Device (DVB:0), Input (DVBInput), Video source, Input Preference, Starting channel, and checkbox for "Free to air channels only." Only other things on that screen are Cancel, Back and Finish buttons.
[01:47:00] j-rod: uh, seriously?
[01:47:00] iggy: doomed: that's a bit of a silly question
[01:47:00] Agrajag-: nup it only works in antartica
[01:48:00] iggy: Amuk: _near_ there
[01:48:00] Amuk: I promise that is all that is on that screen. Do I not get to choose a channel change script if I'm using DVB?
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[01:49:00] iggy: Amuk: channel change scripts are for external tuners (i.e. cable boxes)
[01:49:00] iggy: dvb channel changing is supported internally
[01:50:00] Amuk: But I need the channel change script to control the rotor for my antenna. I've finally got lirc and an IR blaster working and now just need Mythtv to run a script to send the command to irsend.
[01:50:00] Amuk: I've got a HD-3000 and using it for ATSC.
[01:50:00] j-rod: Amuk, the channel-change thing is on the same page where you assign video channel lineups to inputs on a card
[01:51:00] j-rod: ack
[01:51:00] Amuk: j-rod: On the Input Connections screen...correct?
[01:51:00] j-rod: which sounds like its the page you're on...
[01:51:00] j-rod: one sec
[01:51:00] Chutt: there is no external channel change support for dvb
[01:51:00] iggy: it should be there
[01:51:00] j-rod: yeah, that page
[01:51:00] Chutt: no, it shouldn't be there
[01:51:00] iggy: he has spoken, so it shall be
[01:52:00] iggy: Amuk: get to hacking
[01:52:00] Chutt: why?
[01:52:00] j-rod: ah, that makes sense
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[01:52:00] Chutt: it doesn't make any sense to have one
[01:52:00] j-rod: (it not being there for dvb cards)
[01:52:00] Amuk: Chutt: I need it to control my antenna rotor
[01:52:00] iggy: Chutt: read up, he said he needed it for the antenna postition
[01:52:00] Chutt: buy a better antenna? :p
[01:53:00] Chutt: a channel change script means it disables _all_ internal channel changing, and runs the external script
[01:53:00] Chutt: you can't have it both ways
[01:53:00] iggy: never thought about it, but that makes total sense
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[01:54:00] Amuk: I have a really good antenna, just can't get a good signal from all the stations without rotating it.
[01:54:00] Amuk: unfortunately for me, I'm no hacker when it comes to software
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[02:04:00] Amuk: Anyone got an idea how I would approach making mythtv run a script when the channel is changed and still have mythtv change the channel on my DVB card?
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[02:07:00] doomed: does MYTHTV work with Time Warner Cable??
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[02:09:00] Chuji: does a bear shit in the woods?
[02:09:00] doomed: does anybody got SKYPE by any chance?
[02:10:00] mrplum: gross
[02:11:00] mrplum: don't use skype, jees
[02:11:00] ** Chuji points to a wonderful open source project named Asterisk **
[02:11:00] ** mrplum dreams of IAX and SIP pulling out AK47's and blowing holes into skype **
[02:11:00] kormoc: I've used skype
[02:12:00] mrplum: I'm trying to find a voip provider right now actually
[02:12:00] Agrajag-: so have i.. on an extremely dodgy old telephone line on a farm in the middle of nowhere, and it worked great
[02:12:00] mrplum: I really like voicepulse I think, but I don't want to use their hardware
[02:13:00] mrplum: I'm not doubting skype is usable software, but it's proprietory protocol and shouldn't be tolerated.
[02:13:00] mrplum: plenty of open standards that have been implemented
[02:14:00] Chuji: try broadvoice
[02:14:00] doomed: is it possible to make your own VOIP?
[02:14:00] mrplum: asterisk!
[02:14:00] mrplum: so yes.
[02:15:00] doomed: since Skype is propiertary
[02:15:00] Chuji: www.voip-info.org
[02:15:00] doomed: where can I find VOIP how to??
[02:15:00] Chuji: ^^^^^
[02:15:00] mrplum: Yea I'll check out broadvoice I guess, herd a lot of bad reviews but can't argue when you want cheap really
[02:15:00] ** GeckoFiend wonders how many of the "all software and protocols must be open and free" have ever had to make a living writing software **
[02:15:00] Chuji: mrplum : Voipjet isn't bad for outgoing
[02:16:00] Chuji: best prices
[02:16:00] Chuji: teliax is getting better too
[02:16:00] Chuji: both support iax rather than bv's sip
[02:17:00] LostSole: GeckoFiend: does Linus count?
[02:17:00] iggy: linux isn't one of those "all software and protocols must be open and free" type of people in case you didn't notice
[02:17:00] iggy: *linus
[02:18:00] Agrajag-: GeckoFiend: you can still make money from it. you can sell support, you can get paid to write the software in the first place etc.
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[02:19:00] mrplum: VoIP is to voice what html is to text, imagine html being proprietory and having to use internet explorer? ick
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[02:19:00] mrplum: not that ms hasn't done their best to accomplish that, I'm glad we have w3c
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[02:20:00] doomed: VOIP is free
[02:20:00] rjune: not all voip
[02:20:00] mrplum: for the most part until you try and integrate it with ptsn
[02:20:00] rjune: and it depends on which type of free
[02:20:00] doomed: raw VOIP, not any company such as Vonage and so on
[02:20:00] mrplum: *pstn
[02:21:00] rjune: mrplum: we caught it, and ya that's usually the kicker
[02:21:00] mrplum: sure you can do P2P, or signup for something like FreeWorldDialup
[02:21:00] monkeyBox: Does anyone use the "listings" view in mythvideo? The poster and text are offset by about 20 pixels...
[02:21:00] monkeyBox: Not sure if this has to do with the fact that my gui scale & position are tweaked.
[02:22:00] mrplum: monkeyBox, hmm I think I noticed that too, wish I could remember what fixed it
[02:22:00] mrplum: oh it was the theme I used I think
[02:22:00] monkeyBox: oh.. bummer. too bad I like this theme :)
[02:22:00] mrplum: well at least I had themes that worked, and some that didn't. probably could have fixed the problem instead of discarding it
[02:23:00] monkeyBox: I guess I could try and hack the theme itself
[02:23:00] monkeyBox: mrplum what theme do you use?
[02:23:00] MonMotha: is there a way to get mythtv to automatically switch between tuners for uniquely numbered channels?
[02:24:00] mrplum: uh when my machine isn't locked up it's the default yellow one
[02:24:00] mrplum: only have the yellow and blue themes frmo the deb package
[02:24:00] monkeyBox: heh... never even seen the yellow one
[02:24:00] MonMotha: say I have local OTA broadcast up on 900, 901, etc, and regular cable down on more normal channels (2 and up). They're unique, so which tuner to use is implicit, but an explicit tuner switch with the y key is still required
[02:25:00] monkeyBox: using Iulius right now
[02:25:00] monkeyBox: maybe I can figure out how to tweak it...
[02:25:00] hadees: Beirdo, congrads on your new DMCA laws
[02:25:00] MonMotha: this also poses problems with inability to tune immediately upon tuner change. You get stuck in a situation where you just can't switch tuners because it immediately dumps you out from inability to tune. If you could directly select a channel, that could be avoided (you could at least try another station)
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[02:28:00] mrplum: *sigh*, broadvoice or teliax... hmm
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[02:36:00] mrplum: jeesus am I blind, teliax has a box that says terms and conditinos, Y or N, doesn't tell you waht they are :-P
[02:39:00] monkeyBox: There's one thing that bugs me about the "listings" view for videos... When you move to the right, you have to press the button twice to get to the level you want. Does anyone else find this slightly annoying?
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[02:40:00] GeckoFiend: monkeyBox I find the listing view annoying and ugly so I don't use it :-p
[02:41:00] monkeyBox: GeckoFiend: Well, The listings view is the only view where I can devide videos into folders. The other views just glob them all together.
[02:42:00] GeckoFiend: monkeyBox the gallery doesn't if you active folder mode
[02:43:00] GreyFoxx: I prefer to scroll through my videos/directories like a basic file manager. But the gallery is nice for "permanent" stuff like movies I plan on keeping around for a while
[02:44:00] GeckoFiend: ahhhhhh tree for pr0n gallery for other stuff...  :-p
[02:45:00] GreyFoxx: mostly other stuff, but pr0n as well :)
[02:46:00] GreyFoxx: I sort all my TV episodes by Directories and like to navigate to them, but movies I like to use the gallery/imdb info for
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[02:56:00] johnboy: anyone here use the media mvp?
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[02:57:00] cyberknet: new cable modem, new router. life is good.
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[02:58:00] johnboy: yeah, new is good
[02:58:00] monkeyBox: heh.. Noooo.. not pr0n.. I like to have a seperate folder for DVD rips, and a folder for misc. short videos.
[02:58:00] CyberKnet: johnboy: it is when the old gear got fried by 220V =)
[02:58:00] JohnnyQuest: shortvideos=pron
[02:59:00] johnboy: eww thats no good
[02:59:00] CyberKnet: johnboy: in the past now =)
[02:59:00] JohnnyQuest: cyberknet
[02:59:00] CyberKnet: I got a shiny new WRT54GS to replace the (old) BEFSR41 =)
[02:59:00] CyberKnet: JohnnyQuest:
[02:59:00] JohnnyQuest: there is a pvr-500 on ebay right now
[02:59:00] johnboy: i have gone totally nuts on surge protectors for that very reason, my cable lines are protected, all electric and phone line into dsl modem :)
[02:59:00] JohnnyQuest: the guy selling htem has 6 of them
[02:59:00] JohnnyQuest: incase you are looking for another one..
[02:59:00] ** monkeyBox needs to get himself a WRT54GS **
[03:00:00] johnboy: GreyFoxx, are you around?
[03:00:00] CyberKnet: JohnnyQuest: aaah. thanks =)
[03:00:00] CyberKnet: JohnnyQuest: what's he asking?
[03:00:00] GreyFoxx: johnboy: eating supper
[03:00:00] JohnnyQuest: right now its at 25
[03:00:00] JohnnyQuest: that was earlier today
[03:00:00] JohnnyQuest: when i bid..
[03:00:00] CyberKnet: oh. I thought it was a buy it now.
[03:00:00] johnboy: GreyFoxx, hurry i need assistance :)
[03:00:00] JohnnyQuest: no
[03:00:00] JohnnyQuest: but its almost over i think
[03:00:00] GreyFoxx: I hurry for noone ;)
[03:00:00] GreyFoxx: cept cash :)
[03:00:00] johnboy: does anyone else here use the media MVP? so i dont have to make GreyFoxx hurry?
[03:01:00] JohnnyQuest: its at 40 now
[03:01:00] CyberKnet: JohnnyQuest: hmm... 40USD now.
[03:01:00] JohnnyQuest: with 9 hours left
[03:01:00] JohnnyQuest: it will go up
[03:01:00] JohnnyQuest: im lookign at it and if i get it, ill return my pvr150
[03:01:00] CyberKnet: I'm sure it will.
[03:01:00] JohnnyQuest: and just keep use that
[03:01:00] CyberKnet: I'm happy with just one -500, I think.
[03:02:00] JohnnyQuest: well you only get one
[03:02:00] CyberKnet: I haven't even had time to install it what with my power going out.
[03:02:00] JohnnyQuest: o, you have one?
[03:02:00] johnboy: i need a 500 on top of my 150
[03:02:00] JohnnyQuest: i thought it got fried..
[03:02:00] JohnnyQuest: im having trouble with tvout..
[03:02:00] CyberKnet: JohnnyQuest: no, my linksys router did, and so did my cable modem.
[03:02:00] JohnnyQuest: any suggestions other than go buy a card?
[03:02:00] JohnnyQuest: oo
[03:02:00] JohnnyQuest: i thought everything was takenout
[03:02:00] CyberKnet: my PCs are on APC UPS =)
[03:03:00] JohnnyQuest: you didnt have a surge protector on those lines?
[03:03:00] CyberKnet: it would take a miracle to get to them.
[03:03:00] CyberKnet: well, not quite
[03:03:00] JohnnyQuest: i have a ups on my modem
[03:03:00] JohnnyQuest: that protects the cable
[03:03:00] CyberKnet: but I protect them much better than everything else =)
[03:03:00] JohnnyQuest: and the modem
[03:03:00] JohnnyQuest: well it protects the cable line
[03:03:00] JohnnyQuest: and the modem power..
[03:03:00] JohnnyQuest: and the router power
[03:03:00] JohnnyQuest: keeps me online when power goes out..
[03:03:00] CyberKnet: cable modem, or DSL modem?
[03:03:00] JohnnyQuest: but my linux computer, the ups died for it
[03:03:00] JohnnyQuest: cable modem
[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: i was kinda confusing there
[03:04:00] CyberKnet: and you have something conditioning the cable line between the cable modem and the outside world?
[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: you can get surge protectors for the modem
[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: ya
[03:04:00] CyberKnet: and that doesn't give you any trouble?
[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: hasnt so far..
[03:04:00] CyberKnet: odd. I wouldn't do that.
[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: its just like an extention on teh cable
[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: except if it gets surge
[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: it shuts off
[03:04:00] CyberKnet: new cable modem is only fifty bucks... and this one was free.
[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: well it protects the computers too
[03:04:00] JohnnyQuest: i live in florida..
[03:04:00] CyberKnet: even though it was a month or two out of warranty.
[03:05:00] CyberKnet: Aaah. I'm in Oklahoma.
[03:05:00] JohnnyQuest: we get lots of lightning strikes
[03:05:00] CyberKnet: tornado alley.
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[03:05:00] JohnnyQuest: and they go through phone lines and cable lines
[03:05:00] johnboy: im in denton tx, we get some good storms here to
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[03:05:00] CyberKnet: I have no phone line from outside. voip here.
[03:05:00] JohnnyQuest: blown alot of phones
[03:05:00] JohnnyQuest: so we have those all on surge protectors
[03:05:00] JohnnyQuest: just fo the phone line
[03:05:00] JohnnyQuest: anyone know about tv out?
[03:05:00] CyberKnet: I need to get a few more UPS if only to condition the power.
[03:05:00] JohnnyQuest: im havint trouble with it
[03:05:00] johnboy: someone here has got to use the media MVP, right?
[03:06:00] JohnnyQuest: media mvp?
[03:06:00] JohnnyQuest: what is that?
[03:06:00] johnboy: yeah
[03:06:00] johnboy: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_mediamvp.html
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[03:07:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont use it..and dont plan on it
[03:07:00] johnboy: mine wont play recordings :( it just gives me a blank screen
[03:07:00] JohnnyQuest: i need help with video output
[03:08:00] JohnnyQuest: i have a radeon 7200
[03:09:00] LostSole: \quit
[03:09:00] LostSole: d'oh!
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[03:13:00] johnboy: johnny, you should probably get a newer card with xvmc support i would think
[03:14:00] johnboy: you could pick up a nvidia fx5200 for $40 from www.pcalchemy.com
[03:18:00] johnboy: hello??????
[03:18:00] JohnnyQuest: i cant..
[03:18:00] JohnnyQuest: cuz i have a agp 4x...
[03:19:00] JohnnyQuest: its my old computer that i turned into my htpc
[03:19:00] johnboy: if you get the right 5200 it should be 4x/8x
[03:19:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[03:19:00] JohnnyQuest: would an nvidia mx series work>
[03:19:00] JohnnyQuest: if it had tvout?
[03:19:00] johnboy: i think that might be cutting it close, but yeah
[03:19:00] JohnnyQuest: i have friend who might give it to me for my old geforce3
[03:19:00] JohnnyQuest: cuz his has tvout
[03:20:00] johnboy: i think xvmc started in the fx5x00s, but a geforce 4 might work as well
[03:20:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[03:20:00] JohnnyQuest: what is xvmc/
[03:20:00] johnboy: its a decoding protocol on the newer nvidia cards, basically mpg decode assist
[03:20:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[03:20:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont really need that
[03:20:00] JohnnyQuest: it plays fine with this pos radeon
[03:20:00] johnboy: i have a athlon xp 1800+ and when i am watching tv it keeps my cpu at 10% use
[03:20:00] JohnnyQuest: its just on a computer monitor
[03:21:00] johnboy: oh
[03:21:00] GeckoFiend: johnboy it's also on unichrome chipsets
[03:21:00] JohnnyQuest: what does that mean gecko?
[03:21:00] johnboy: didnt know that
[03:22:00] johnboy: gecko, media mvp user?
[03:22:00] JohnnyQuest: what does that mean?
[03:22:00] JohnnyQuest: unichrome chipsets...
[03:22:00] johnboy: it makes your computer do the decoding of the video stream fast
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[03:22:00] johnboy: i dont know what unichrome is exactly
[03:23:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[03:24:00] johnboy: google it
[03:26:00] johnboy: GreyFoxx, come on man, i need some help the net is dry on this topic
[03:30:00] GeckoFiend: johnboy unichrome is the chipset used on most/all of the epia boards
[03:30:00] johnboy: oh those itx ones?
[03:30:00] GeckoFiend: yeah
[03:30:00] johnboy: oh isee
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[03:31:00] GeckoFiend: the unichrome prop xvmc accelerates mpeg4 as well as mpeg2 at HD resolutions
[03:31:00] GeckoFiend: s/prop/pro/
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[03:34:00] LostSole: This is beginning to drive me crazy – mythtv seems to work about 1 out of 10 times. I'll stop and restart the backend a couple of times, and then *poof* it seems to work for a while. I log out and log back in, and it doesn't, and I go through the process again. Any suggestions about what else I can try and look at to get this running (closer to) 100%?
[03:34:00] johnboy: lol, if i leave my box idle for more than like three days, lircd shuts down, but if i do a hard reboot it starts working again
[03:34:00] johnboy: who the hell knows, right?
[03:34:00] GeckoFiend: LostSole you could start by looking at logs to see what's going wrong instead of wandering aimlessly
[03:35:00] LostSole: GeckoFiend: the backend log doesn't give any obvious error messages, and when I run the frontend from a terminal, it doesn't say anything either...
[03:35:00] GeckoFiend: define "not work"
[03:35:00] iggy: johnboy: what kind of ir receiver?
[03:36:00] LostSole: I select "Watch TV" and it seems to hang on a black screen. Sometimes, it will return to the menu after a minute, sometimes, I've waited longer than 5 to ctrl-c the thing.
[03:39:00] rjune: ok
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[03:39:00] k-man: hi guys
[03:39:00] k-man: is the tv-out on the ABIT Radeon R9250
[03:39:00] k-man: any good?
[03:40:00] GeckoFiend: LostSole there's been fixes put into CVS for that
[03:43:00] jemarcks: Favorite tool flow to burn DVDs?
[03:44:00] LostSole: GeckoFiend: well, the packages I used before worked just fine for me previously. (Partition problems resulted in a reinstall)... Just wish there was a clear(er) path to troubleshoot this at the moment. :)
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[03:48:00] k-man: who was i talking to here who has the twinhan dvb-t card?
[03:48:00] Agrajag-: visionplus?
[03:48:00] k-man: yeah
[03:48:00] GeckoFiend: LostSole it's a system related bug afaik. most folks never encounter it
[03:49:00] k-man: yeah
[03:49:00] k-man: Agrajag-, it was you, i reemmber
[03:49:00] k-man: how are you going Agrajag-
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[03:49:00] GeckoFiend: at any rate it's a known bug and fixed in CVS. there's no troubleshooting to be done
[03:49:00] k-man: i just wanted to ask you how is the controller you got with the visionplus?
[03:49:00] k-man: any good?
[03:49:00] Agrajag-: the remote? it's a usb remote and identifies itself as a usb keyboard/mouse
[03:49:00] k-man: Agrajag-, ah, nice
[03:50:00] k-man: no troubles installing it?
[03:50:00] k-man: and getting it to work with myth
[03:50:00] Agrajag-: nup not at all, plug it in to usb and it's fine
[03:50:00] Agrajag-: you just gotta remap all your myth keys
[03:50:00] k-man: oh... thats a bit annoying isn't it?
[03:50:00] k-man: how did you remap them?
[03:50:00] LostSole: GeckoFiend: damn. :) well then, I'll give that a shot. thanks.
[03:50:00] Agrajag-: manually in the db. or you can use mythweb
[03:50:00] Agrajag-: there's another way to do it
[03:51:00] k-man: Agrajag-, what do you do for tv-out?
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[03:51:00] Agrajag-: you can remap keys before it gets to myth using some X tool.. can't remember the name though
[03:51:00] Agrajag-: just a gf2mx which has tv out
[03:51:00] k-man: Agrajag-, yeah, i know the tool you mean
[03:51:00] k-man: Agrajag-, any good?
[03:51:00] k-man: no trouble with using it?
[03:52:00] Agrajag-: the gf2mx?
[03:52:00] Agrajag-: no
[03:53:00] k-man: ok
[03:53:00] k-man: thanks
[03:53:00] k-man: im putting my order in for a mythbox
[03:53:00] mrplum: mythbox?
[03:53:00] Agrajag-: if you're going to use your frontend for things other than mythtv, just redo the keybinding in myth
[03:53:00] k-man: im getting an the ABIT Radeon R9250 as my video card
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[03:53:00] k-man: mrplum, yeah, a box to run myth on
[03:53:00] JohnnyQuest: radeon, bad idea
[03:53:00] Agrajag-: otherwise you can use some other tool. but then a keyboard mightn't be very nice to use because you've changed the keys :P
[03:54:00] k-man: JohnnyQuest, oh? no good? what should i get then?
[03:54:00] JohnnyQuest: nvidia, in my opinion..
[03:54:00] k-man: JohnnyQuest, why?
[03:54:00] JohnnyQuest: radeon drivers are a bit troublesome...or they have been for me
[03:54:00] k-man: hmm... interesting
[03:54:00] k-man: nvidia is better?
[03:54:00] mrplum: I thought that was [tm] or something
[03:54:00] JohnnyQuest: seems to be, and better quality, so ive heard
[03:54:00] Atarian_: i have an nvidia geforce fx 5600 here, would that be ggod for a myth tv box?
[03:54:00] JohnnyQuest: or read..
[03:55:00] k-man: JohnnyQuest, what do you currently have?
[03:55:00] JohnnyQuest: radeon 7200
[03:55:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont have tvout right now
[03:55:00] JohnnyQuest: im gettign a geforce 2/3/4 froma friend tonight
[03:55:00] JohnnyQuest: hes not sure what it is
[03:55:00] JohnnyQuest: and that might fix the problem
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[03:57:00] xbox-soli: hey
[03:57:00] JohnnyQuest: hi
[03:57:00] xbox-soli: ive got lots of problems with my mythtv box
[03:58:00] xbox-soli: first of all when i go to watch live tv the screen turns green
[03:58:00] JohnnyQuest: we all do
[03:58:00] k-man: apparantly matrox g450 has best tv-out support under linux
[03:58:00] k-man: at least according to one web page i read
[03:58:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[03:58:00] k-man: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/200 . . . nux_pvr.html
[03:58:00] k-man: on that page
[03:59:00] JohnnyQuest: i need a card for tvout
[03:59:00] johnboy: broadcast flag is back
[03:59:00] JohnnyQuest: but, then again, i dont wanan spend much money
[03:59:00] johnboy: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/003720.php
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[03:59:00] JohnnyQuest: my mythbox is my crappy computer
[03:59:00] johnboy: GreyFoxx, you back yet?
[03:59:00] xbox-soli: also does anyoine know what knology analog uses for there channel frequency table
[04:00:00] JohnnyQuest: that article is old
[04:00:00] JohnnyQuest: 2 years old
[04:00:00] JohnnyQuest: 1.5 years..
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[04:01:00] johnboy: thats today old
[04:01:00] johnboy: look on slashdot
[04:01:00] johnboy: engadenet
[04:01:00] johnboy: byopvr.com
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[04:01:00] xbox-soli: does anyone know what type of card the wintv go is
[04:01:00] iggy: JohnL: you didn't answer my question
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[04:02:00] johnboy: about what
[04:02:00] k-man: hmm... apparantly its hard to get a g450 these days
[04:02:00] k-man: its too old
[04:02:00] iggy: what ir receiver do you have?
[04:02:00] johnboy: pvr 150
[04:02:00] GreyFoxx: john half paying attention
[04:02:00] iggy: oooh, I can help
[04:02:00] JohnnyQuest: i have a pvr 150
[04:02:00] iggy: johnboy: there's an ivtvctl option to reset the ir
[04:03:00] xbox-soli: does anyone have the wintv go
[04:03:00] iggy: instead of rebooting
[04:03:00] johnboy: GreyFoxx, you know why the mvp wouldnt play videos?
[04:03:00] JohnnyQuest: and i got my remote working today
[04:03:00] JohnnyQuest: but i havnt had that problem
[04:03:00] JohnnyQuest: yet..
[04:03:00] JohnnyQuest: it hasnt been runnign for long enough
[04:03:00] GreyFoxx: I think you are going to have to be a little more specifc and detailed than that
[04:03:00] johnboy: iggy, so i could cron it to run every night at like 3am to keep it fresh?
[04:03:00] iggy: johnboy: sure
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[04:03:00] iggy: just so long as you aren't using the remote at 3 am
[04:04:00] johnboy: GreyFoxx, well when i select a recording to watch (it does get the list) it just goes to a blank screen and when I hit "OK" on the remote it says its getting 0.00mbps
[04:04:00] johnboy: iggy, you know the command off the top of your head
[04:04:00] johnboy: ?
[04:04:00] GreyFoxx: johnboy: My first thought would be that it's attempting to use nfs to read the file instead of the myth protocol and can't get at it
[04:05:00] johnboy: whats your config file look like in your tftpboot dir?
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[04:07:00] GreyFoxx: johnboy: http://pastebin.ca/15207
[04:07:00] iggy: --reset-ir
[04:07:00] johnboy: ok thanks iggy
[04:08:00] johnboy: GreyFoxx, oh yeah youre using nfs... does it still know your episode names and all if you do it like that?
[04:08:00] GreyFoxx: I'm using both
[04:08:00] GreyFoxx: I nfs mount it but I'm also telling the device to use the myth protocol
[04:08:00] k-man: is there open source drivers for the NVIDIA cards?
[04:09:00] johnboy: myth to get program info and NFS to serve the files I am guessing?
[04:09:00] johnboy: k-man: 2d non accelerated only i think
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[04:10:00] GreyFoxx: No, I'm nfs mounting (which I have been doing since before it supported getting the data over the myth protocol) but I am using the myth protocol for reading
[04:10:00] johnboy: GreyFoxx, thanks for the help but i gotta go... you in here much?
[04:10:00] GreyFoxx: but I have switched it back and forth several times
[04:10:00] GreyFoxx: as the mythprotocol stuff is more buggy in the mvpmc
[04:10:00] GreyFoxx: quite a bit
[04:10:00] johnboy: i'll probably be back in here tomorrow, i'll be pickin your brain then :)
[04:11:00] johnboy: do i basically just need to start the vfs service on the server? is there much configuration on this end for it?
[04:11:00] johnboy: nfs, not vfs
[04:11:00] GreyFoxx: You would need to configure nfs yes
[04:11:00] GreyFoxx: tell it what to share out and who can connect
[04:11:00] johnboy: ok well i'll do that tomorrow, gotta jety
[04:11:00] johnboy: talk to you later
[04:12:00] johnboy: tjhanks
[04:12:00] GreyFoxx: later
[04:15:00] GeckoFiend: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/003720.php
[04:16:00] iggy: already sent it
[04:16:00] k-man: johnboy, oh... *sigh*
[04:16:00] k-man: i'm having trouble working out what video card to get
[04:16:00] k-man: any suggestions?
[04:16:00] iggy: with a heartwarming story about how my livelihood depends on unabated technological advance
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[04:21:00] JohnnyQuest: kman
[04:21:00] JohnnyQuest: how much money do you have?
[04:21:00] JohnnyQuest: for this investment
[04:21:00] iggy: you going to mug him?
[04:22:00] JohnnyQuest: no
[04:22:00] JohnnyQuest: i make enough money for me
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[04:23:00] ** iggy plans to mug JohnnyQuest **
[04:24:00] k-man: JohnnyQuest,
[04:24:00] k-man: no much
[04:24:00] k-man: why?
[04:24:00] k-man: johnboy, um... a little, why?
[04:26:00] k-man: oops, i meant JohnnyQuest
[04:26:00] k-man: JohnnyQuest, why do you ask? do you have a good suggestion for a tv-out card?
[04:26:00] JohnnyQuest: well, depends on what you wanna do and what you have fora processor
[04:27:00] JohnnyQuest: are you buying a whole box?
[04:27:00] k-man: yeah
[04:27:00] k-man: a whole box
[04:27:00] JohnnyQuest: or upgrading?
[04:27:00] JohnnyQuest: oo
[04:27:00] k-man: and its going to be a fe and be
[04:27:00] JohnnyQuest: fe?
[04:27:00] k-man: and its going to have 2 capture cards (maybe 3 oneday)
[04:27:00] k-man: front end
[04:27:00] JohnnyQuest: o ok
[04:27:00] JohnnyQuest: get a pvr 500
[04:27:00] JohnnyQuest: or 2 pvr 150s
[04:27:00] k-man: and will be capturing digital only
[04:28:00] k-man: no, i do not like analogue
[04:28:00] k-man: digital only
[04:28:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[04:28:00] k-man: dvb-t
[04:28:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont know anything abou tthe digital stuff
[04:28:00] k-man: oh
[04:28:00] k-man: im just looking for a tv-out card
[04:28:00] JohnnyQuest: but i would suggest a 5x00 series of gfx cards
[04:28:00] JohnnyQuest: after what i learned about them
[04:28:00] k-man: what about a gf-5200? is that any good?
[04:28:00] JohnnyQuest: ya
[04:29:00] JohnnyQuest: thats realyl good
[04:29:00] k-man: oh, ok
[04:29:00] k-man: ok
[04:29:00] k-man: thats good
[04:29:00] k-man: thanks
[04:29:00] JohnnyQuest: takes load off of your processor
[04:29:00] JohnnyQuest: during playback
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[04:29:00] JohnnyQuest: but, it costs money..
[04:29:00] k-man: oh does it?
[04:29:00] JohnnyQuest: well its more expensive than an mx400
[04:29:00] k-man: oh
[04:29:00] JohnnyQuest: or mx420..
[04:29:00] JohnnyQuest: www.pricewatch.com
[04:29:00] Atarian_: i have a gf 5600 and a radeon 9800 pro spare here. im using an x800xt pe in my regulat machine, i'll probably use the gf in my mythtv box
[04:29:00] JohnnyQuest: im nto sure the price
[04:30:00] k-man: ok
[04:30:00] JohnnyQuest: u wanna sell either of them to me?
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[04:30:00] JohnnyQuest: actually, i dotn wanna pay enoughf for you to bother doing that
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[04:30:00] Atarian_: i think the radeon has a home with my brother already, he expressed his interest the other day, heh
[04:31:00] JohnnyQuest: 5200's are 40 bux
[04:31:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont need somethign that powerful tho, as that radeon
[04:32:00] opello: heh, geez, i have a spare 5600, 5700 ultra, and gf2 :)
[04:33:00] JohnnyQuest: i have a spare gf2
[04:33:00] JohnnyQuest: but no tvout
[04:33:00] JohnnyQuest: and its a good gf2
[04:33:00] JohnnyQuest: its a gts
[04:33:00] opello: yeah mine doesn't either :?
[04:33:00] opello: so is mine! :)
[04:33:00] JohnnyQuest: asus?
[04:33:00] opello: no idea, lol
[04:33:00] JohnnyQuest: that would be funyn if it was..
[04:33:00] JohnnyQuest: the gfx card i use in my good machine is a 6600gt
[04:34:00] JohnnyQuest: it does everything i need
[04:34:00] JohnnyQuest: but, my mythbox needs something
[04:36:00] opello: i just ordered a 6600gt
[04:36:00] fuzuoku: hello
[04:36:00] JohnnyQuest: i like it
[04:36:00] JohnnyQuest: mine is pcie
[04:36:00] JohnnyQuest: it was cheaper that way
[04:36:00] opello: i didn't want to drop the money on a pci-e motherboard, new cpu, etc
[04:36:00] JohnnyQuest: when i was building this machine
[04:36:00] JohnnyQuest: i was getting a new cpu and everything
[04:36:00] JohnnyQuest: so, i got pcie
[04:36:00] opello: ah, worked out for you
[04:36:00] JohnnyQuest: ya
[04:36:00] JohnnyQuest: it was also just released the week i was buying it
[04:37:00] JohnnyQuest: well for amd645
[04:37:00] opello: heh
[04:37:00] JohnnyQuest: amd64
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[04:37:00] JohnnyQuest: i waited another week for nforce4 mobos
[04:37:00] fuzuoku: how have people generally been handling cable box control for computer controlled channel tuning?
[04:37:00] gr8nash-home: GreyFoxx you around?
[04:37:00] JohnnyQuest: an irblaster
[04:37:00] fuzuoku: it seems as if there's a couple 1/8" connections on the back for such control on my box
[04:38:00] JohnnyQuest: look up irblaster fuzuoku
[04:38:00] GreyFoxx: gr8nash-home: For like 60 seconds, no more
[04:38:00] fuzuoku: cool
[04:39:00] gr8nash-home: ohh well ill catch you later i just was wondering when you rewrite mythgame can you stip the "intelegent" filtering snes games
[04:39:00] JohnnyQuest: what does taht do gr8nash?
[04:39:00] JohnnyQuest: i havnt messed aroudn with my emulators yet..
[04:39:00] gr8nash-home: hoping that just using the extension to scan games.. would be good..
[04:40:00] gr8nash-home: it wont scan snes game with bad checksums.. so 1/2 my game collection doesnt get added.. even though the games work fine..
[04:40:00] gr8nash-home: GreyFoxx just a bird in your ear.. thanks =)
[04:41:00] GreyFoxx: Gotcha :)
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[04:45:00] fuzuoku: thinking about this.. if all channel control will be using the cable box's tuner i'd think it'd make sense to just use a cheap video input card instead of a tv tuner
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[04:46:00] gr8nash-home: fuzuoku alot of people do that
[04:46:00] fuzuoku: what's the card(s) of choice?
[04:46:00] GeckoFiend: fuzuoku the "tuner" portion of a capture card is like $3
[04:46:00] GeckoFiend: PVR250
[04:47:00] JohnnyQuest: pvr250 or the pvr150
[04:47:00] JohnnyQuest: i have a 150
[04:47:00] gr8nash-home: GeckoFiend can you even get a 250 snymotr?
[04:47:00] JohnnyQuest: cheaper
[04:47:00] gr8nash-home: anymore..geesh..
[04:48:00] gr8nash-home: JohnnyQuest is the 150 working well now?
[04:48:00] JohnnyQuest: mine is
[04:48:00] JohnnyQuest: i had some trouble
[04:48:00] gr8nash-home: is it rock solid like the 250?
[04:48:00] JohnnyQuest: i had a high pitched whine
[04:48:00] JohnnyQuest: but updated the firmware
[04:48:00] JohnnyQuest: went away
[04:48:00] JohnnyQuest: its pretty solid for me..
[04:48:00] JohnnyQuest: beautiful picture
[04:48:00] JohnnyQuest: nice audio
[04:48:00] JohnnyQuest: doesnt crash, but i havnt had it running for days..
[04:49:00] JohnnyQuest: i just got it up today
[04:49:00] gr8nash-home: what ivtv are you using?
[04:49:00] JohnnyQuest: but so far, its doing great
[04:49:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont know
[04:49:00] JohnnyQuest: the newest testing..
[04:49:00] iggy: mine have been running fine since Feb with only a few minor hiccups
[04:49:00] gr8nash-home: iggy version?
[04:49:00] iggy: 0.3.2p I think
[04:49:00] JohnnyQuest: i would recommend a pvr-150
[04:49:00] iggy: yeah
[04:50:00] JohnnyQuest: i had never used linux until 2–3 weeks ago..
[04:50:00] JohnnyQuest: and i got it up and running
[04:50:00] JohnnyQuest: if you use linux
[04:50:00] JohnnyQuest: you can do it
[04:50:00] gr8nash-home: what distro?
[04:50:00] JohnnyQuest: if you dont, you can also
[04:50:00] JohnnyQuest: fc3
[04:50:00] JohnnyQuest: i had trouble wtih knoppmyth and unbuntu
[04:50:00] JohnnyQuest: fc3 seemed the easiest
[04:50:00] iggy: with the black_magic option set and tuner set to 39 despite being autodetected as 47
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[04:51:00] JohnnyQuest: mine is set to 39 and black magic is set to 1
[04:51:00] gr8nash-home: what is the black_magic option?
[04:51:00] iggy: options cx25840 no_black_magic=1
[04:51:00] JohnnyQuest: its the voodoo that makes our mythboxes tick?
[04:51:00] iggy: indeed
[04:51:00] JohnnyQuest: and im serious about the voodoo
[04:51:00] JohnnyQuest: cuz my audio was shit one day, and today i did something, and itw as beatiful
[04:52:00] gr8nash-home: anyone have a link to the current spot for ivtv devel?
[04:52:00] iggy: I used to get red+blue speckled static without that option
[04:52:00] iggy: gr8nash-home: spot for devel?
[04:52:00] iggy: you mean the mailing list
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[04:53:00] gr8nash-home: CK used to have the version on his site.. do you still get it there?
[04:53:00] gr8nash-home: its been a while since i played with ivtv.. i switched to all HD3000's
[04:54:00] fuzuoku: trouble with ubuntu? ubuntu's been mostly great for me, definitely my favorite linux distro at this point
[04:54:00] iggy: gr8nash-home: yeah, he still keeps a site around
[04:55:00] JohnnyQuest: it was my favorite linux distro
[04:55:00] JohnnyQuest: but, i crashed the gdm 3 times
[04:56:00] JohnnyQuest: to where it wouldnt boot except into a text screen
[04:56:00] gr8nash-home: knoppmyth is BYfar the easiest for myth
[04:56:00] JohnnyQuest: so, i gave up on ubuntu
[04:56:00] gr8nash-home: FC3 for serving
[04:56:00] fuzuoku: you can crash anything if people fix it enough
[04:56:00] JohnnyQuest: knoppmyth was easy but not good quality
[04:56:00] gr8nash-home: ???
[04:56:00] JohnnyQuest: like, my audio was bad and my picture was bad
[04:56:00] shellsage: anyone else having issues with ivtv giving 0 byte files? do you know a fix? I have a PVR 250
[04:56:00] gr8nash-home: thats not a knoppmyth thing
[04:56:00] JohnnyQuest: also, i didtn know enough about linux when using it
[04:56:00] JohnnyQuest: so i oculdnt do alot of stuff iwth it
[04:57:00] JohnnyQuest: now i know more
[04:57:00] JohnnyQuest: i could probably do fine iwth it
[04:57:00] JohnnyQuest: but i like fc3
[04:57:00] JohnnyQuest: it runs..
[04:57:00] fuzuoku: yeah, that's what most people are interested in an operating system. they just want it to work so they can do other things
[04:58:00] JohnnyQuest: ya
[04:58:00] JohnnyQuest: i like being able to do other things
[04:58:00] JohnnyQuest: i only want to use it as a mythbox
[04:58:00] JohnnyQuest: but, if i needed to do somethign else on it, i could
[04:58:00] JohnnyQuest: so its nice
[04:59:00] fuzuoku: yup
[05:00:00] abarbaccia: hey all – how do i uninstall ivtv?
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[05:02:00] FairWtns: gr8nash-home: You switched to all 3000's? Do you use the non-hdtv part?
[05:03:00] gr8nash-home: no.. i use the dvb drivers.. for ATSC. OTA
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[05:05:00] JohnnyQuest: anyone here used the ati gatos drivers?
[05:05:00] fuzuoku: what, an ati driver that doesn't entirely suck?
[05:05:00] JohnnyQuest: i dunno
[05:05:00] JohnnyQuest: supposidly it works for tvout
[05:05:00] JohnnyQuest: with old ati cards
[05:05:00] JohnnyQuest: speciifcally mine, radeon 7200
[05:06:00] fuzuoku: all in wonder, original?
[05:06:00] JohnnyQuest: maybe..
[05:06:00] JohnnyQuest: http://gatos.sourceforge.net/theater_out.php
[05:06:00] fuzuoku: i had one of those
[05:06:00] JohnnyQuest: says it doesnt..
[05:06:00] JohnnyQuest: but, it also says it could
[05:06:00] JohnnyQuest: it hasnt been tested
[05:06:00] JohnnyQuest: says it will work on all in wonders
[05:07:00] JohnnyQuest: im gonna see how it is
[05:07:00] JohnnyQuest: in the mroning
[05:07:00] JohnnyQuest: but i also have ot learn how ot install it..
[05:07:00] JohnnyQuest: but i got class at 8am so i gotta head to bed
[05:07:00] fuzuoku: i've got a sapphire 9200se 128mb 8x agp right now
[05:07:00] JohnnyQuest: well this might work for it..
[05:08:00] JohnnyQuest: i found some stuff in the #ati channel
[05:08:00] JohnnyQuest: they are helpful
[05:08:00] JohnnyQuest: but im going to bed
[05:08:00] JohnnyQuest: cya
[05:08:00] fuzuoku: see ya
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[05:13:00] kusznir: hello: I'm suddenly getting an error on mythweb that I can't figure out where its coming from.
[05:14:00] kusznir: I haven't changed anything, and I'm not running out of disk space, and I'm not out of guide data, and the backend, mysql, and apache are all running....
[05:14:00] kusznir: the error is:Fatal Error at /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/includes/programs.php, line 138:
[05:14:00] kusznir: SQL Error: Can't open file: 'programrating.MYI'. (errno: 145)
[05:14:00] kusznir: Any suggestions/pointers?
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[05:32:00] kusznir: ok, some more extensive googling and manual reading turned up the solution. Since I even found some logs from this channel through google, I'll document my solution here for others to find.
[05:32:00] kusznir: The problem is the table specified is croupt (marked as "crashed"). In this case, it is the programrating table.
[05:33:00] kusznir: There are two ways to fix it, the recommended one is to run a mysql command. So I ran "mysql -p mythconverg", typed in the mysql password for the user I was logging in as, and got my mysql prompt.
[05:33:00] kusznir: Then I ran "REPAIR TABLE programrating;"
[05:34:00] GreyFoxx: you can also stop mysql, and run myisamchk -r programrating.MYI
[05:34:00] kusznir: A few seconds later I got the results back, where it said "OK", so I QUIT mysql, and all was good.
[05:34:00] kusznir: That is indeed the other way I found :)
[05:34:00] kusznir: mysql docs recommended using the command within mysql; it was nice and easy and fast.
[05:34:00] kusznir: Thanks all!
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[05:47:00] iggy: kusznir: you may want to check the other tables too
[05:47:00] iggy: kusznir: I've never had just 1 table crash
[05:50:00] kusznir: iggy: Is there an easy way to check all tables, or do I have to type them in individually?
[05:52:00] Chutt: mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -p<password> mythconverg
[05:52:00] Chutt: straight from the docs
[05:52:00] kusznir: ok, thanks!
[05:52:00] kusznir: That's working well.
[05:53:00] iggy: I scripted something with find and myisamchk
[05:53:00] iggy: but that works too
[05:53:00] kusznir: Yep, and it was only that one table that was crashed.
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[06:00:00] licensetocode: Is there a plugin which will monitor incoming tv listings and notify me when a show comes on? For instance can I tell MythTV to look for 'Murder on Orient Express' and if the show is on tv 3 months later then MythTV notifies me.
[06:04:00] iggy: just record the damned thing
[06:05:00] iggy: then watch it over and over till your eyes bleed
[06:05:00] iggy: without commercial interruption even
[06:11:00] licensetocode: how can I record it if I don't know its on?
[06:11:00] licensetocode: I'm not going to search every week to see if 'Rambo' is playing yet on TBS
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[06:32:00] Varanger: hi
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[06:34:00] Varanger: does anyone know if Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 250 has TV Out
[06:34:00] Varanger: ?
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[06:40:00] Varanger: does anyone know if Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 250 has TV Out?
[06:40:00] twisted_one: it does not
[06:41:00] twisted_one: the 350 does
[06:41:00] twisted_one: but that is only for mpeg2 streams IIRC
[06:42:00] Varanger: twisted_one: what I want is to connect cable to the pvr and the computer to my TV
[06:42:00] smoke_: hey
[06:43:00] smoke_: when i use the s-video output for mythtv, it puts this blue line on the top and left sides of the screen, whats casuing this?
[06:43:00] Varanger: can I use the s-video out from my Geforce card?
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[06:44:00] Agrajag-: smoke_: overscan probably.. i got a command for you.. wait up
[06:44:00] Agrajag-: Varanger: yeah
[06:45:00] Varanger: Agrajag-: I have recently bought a P4 3.0 Ghz w/ a Geforce 6600 GT
[06:45:00] twisted_one: Varanger: generally you output to the tv through your video card
[06:45:00] Varanger: the only workaround is that audio (Intel High Definition Audio) isn't working very well under Linux
[06:45:00] smoke_: hrmm.. k
[06:45:00] Agrajag-: smoke_: ah... someone's pulled out the network cable to my frontend box that has the command to fix that.. and im not at home to get it
[06:45:00] smoke_: is it a switch i pass to the frontend?
[06:45:00] Agrajag-: wait a sec
[06:45:00] Agrajag-: nah
[06:47:00] Agrajag-: smoke_; try this "xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 66048"
[06:47:00] Agrajag-: changes the blue to black
[06:47:00] smoke_: bash prompt?
[06:47:00] Agrajag-: yeah. install xvattr if you dont have it
[06:48:00] smoke_: k
[06:48:00] Varanger: Agrajag-: is there any command so I can send the TV signal in Linux to my TV box ?
[06:48:00] Agrajag-: Varanger: you need to setup your x.org/xfree86 correctly (you'll need to the the nvidia drivers too)
[06:48:00] Agrajag-: there's plenty of docs on the net on how to do that
[06:50:00] Varanger: I am looking forward to doing that :)
[06:50:00] Varanger: bye
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[07:26:00] ** KarlosII thinks this game is gonna become very popular, http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Rompevideos **
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[08:01:00] mrplum: Anyone herd of mythphone pacakges for debian?
[08:02:00] mrplum: KarlosII, what is in that screen shot?
[08:02:00] mrplum: KarlosII, boobs?
[08:03:00] Rince: morning
[08:03:00] mrplum: gm
[08:03:00] Rince: has anyone made mythtv-0.18.1 ready for amd64?
[08:03:00] Rince: at least it won't compile with debian-pkg-system...
[08:03:00] mrplum: no amd64 here
[08:04:00] mrplum: well amd64 is pretty new to debian, and myth packages aren't really "official"
[08:04:00] Rince: I know ;)
[08:04:00] mrplum: might have to buy the packager an amd64 system :)
[08:04:00] Rince: I have one ;)
[08:04:00] Rince: and 0.16, 0.17 nearly worked right out of the boxc
[08:04:00] Rince: (one patch for RingBuffer.cpp and RingBuffer.h)
[08:06:00] mrplum: what happens with deb's build scripts?
[08:06:00] Rince: the build-scripts itself work fine
[08:06:00] Rince: but:
[08:07:00] Rince: gcc-3.4 -c -pipe -w -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -D_REENTRANT -DPIC -fPIC -DMMX -Di386 -DUSING_IVTV -DUSING_DVB -DUSING_XRANDR -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DPREFIX=\"/usr\" -DHAVE_AV_CONFIG_H -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -DQT_SHARED -I/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I.. -I../.. -I/usr/include/qt3 -o mpegvideo.o mpegvideo.c
[08:07:00] Rince: mpegvideo.c: In function `ff_copy_bits':
[08:07:00] Rince:
[08:07:00] Rince: {standard input}: Assembler messages:
[08:07:00] Rince: {standard input}:15144: Error: bad register name `%'
[08:07:00] Rince: make[3]: *** [mpegvideo.o] Fehler 1
[08:07:00] mrplum: lol wtf?
[08:08:00] mrplum: what a register name ;)
[08:08:00] Rince: ;)
[08:08:00] Rince: I'll try with gcc-4.0
[08:08:00] mrplum: I would guess your libraries are f`d up
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[08:09:00] mrplum: well...
[08:10:00] mrplum: libavcodec it looks like, which comes with myth
[08:10:00] mrplum: that's too bad. someone musta fixed it, try the gentoo guys, they compile eveyrthing
[08:12:00] Rince: *nod*
[08:12:00] mrplum: omg, mythmusic started playing counting crows and up popped an albulm image of tool
[08:12:00] mrplum: :-P
[08:12:00] mrplum: disgrace!
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[08:15:00] mchou: This really pisses me off: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/003720.php
[08:16:00] mchou: 48 hours to stop the Broadcast Flag from being snuck into an appropriations bill by Congress.
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[08:19:00] mrplum: shit I missed that on slashdot
[08:19:00] mrplum: I've been slacking on my reading
[08:20:00] mchou: yeah, that got slashdotted.
[08:24:00] mrplum: that's soo annoying
[08:24:00] mrplum: I'm not very familiar with the issue, but are they trying to ban myth people or what?
[08:24:00] mrplum: shows that are flagged, what happens?
[08:25:00] mchou: sigh....
[08:26:00] mchou: basically it's a form of DRM. Most likely wont be able to record (or make copies).
[08:26:00] kormoc2: hrm?
[08:26:00] kormoc2: what is this?
[08:26:00] Agrajag-: broadcast flag
[08:26:00] Agrajag-: where have you people been
[08:26:00] kormoc2: ooh
[08:26:00] Agrajag-: im not even in american and i know all about it :P
[08:27:00] mchou: only "approved HW" (i.e. not a computer) will be able to record.
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[08:27:00] kormoc2: Agrajag-, I'm jumping in only seeing mrplum's last few messages
[08:27:00] mrplum: well will it be encrypted?
[08:27:00] mchou: Agrajag-: sigh, dont rub it in man.
[08:28:00] kormoc2: Agrajag-, hence I had very little contex to know what he was talking bout
[08:28:00] mchou: Agrajag-: this is the same fscking country that re-elect George W. Bush.....
[08:28:00] mchou: Agrajag-: so nothing ought to surprise you now :)
[08:28:00] kormoc2: hey, bush is a well spoken, very intelligent monkey!
[08:29:00] kormoc2: equal chance and all that ya know :P
[08:29:00] Agrajag-: mchou: it doesn't :)
[08:30:00] mchou: I guess I'll give a few senators a call tomorrow.
[08:30:00] Agrajag-: well i think it's all the media's fault over there
[08:30:00] mchou: really chaps my hide.
[08:30:00] mrplum: mm... I'll be calling my senators
[08:30:00] mrplum: might email and fax them too
[08:30:00] Agrajag-: i went over there on tour at the beginning of the year, to some southern states
[08:30:00] mchou: Agrajag-: I disagree. it's not the media's fault.
[08:31:00] Agrajag-: when i talked to people about bush and everything, nearly everyone said something along the lines of "well i dont know much about bush. but he's really good"
[08:31:00] mchou: It's "Faith-based" fault.
[08:31:00] Agrajag-: yeah that too
[08:31:00] Agrajag-: but all these people clearly didn't know anything about him, the kind of things he does and stuff
[08:31:00] mchou: like creationism is now "science" taught in schools......
[08:31:00] Agrajag-: but still liked him for some reason
[08:31:00] Agrajag-: i know. that really disgusts me
[08:32:00] mchou: Agrajag-: they only like him because of his "folksy" front.
[08:32:00] mchou: they dont know how to relate to someone like kerry :)
[08:32:00] mchou: too stiff and too nuanced, confuse the hell outta tem :)
[08:32:00] mchou: them*
[08:33:00] Agrajag-: i know.. and i couldn't believe it when bush paid kerry out because he spoke french, as if it were such a terrible thing to actually know another language
[08:33:00] Agrajag-: gee, that's not something you'd want your leader to be able to do
[08:33:00] mchou: haha!!
[08:33:00] mchou: dumber and dumberer :)
[08:33:00] mrplum: heh my states on the committee
[08:33:00] Agrajag-: well do something about it :P
[08:34:00] mchou: more dumb==more votes :)
[08:34:00] mrplum: I will, never seems to listen to me thouhg
[08:34:00] mrplum: maybe i'll leave shit on his doorstep this time
[08:34:00] mrplum: with a note
[08:34:00] Agrajag-: something tells me that's not quite the right approach :P
[08:34:00] Agrajag-: it'll take 30 seconds to ring and say that stuff
[08:35:00] Agrajag-: if i was over there i'd be getting all my mates to do it
[08:35:00] mchou: nah, take longer than that :)
[08:35:00] mchou: that's 30 secs for them senators to pick up the phone
[08:35:00] mchou: (or staff)
[08:35:00] Agrajag-: well, it's not a lot of effort anyway
[08:36:00] mchou: bottom line is we wanna senators to know their political life is in danger if they sneak in this amendment.
[08:37:00] mchou: It's a message they understand :)
[08:40:00] mchou: Agrajag-: the funny thing is that the media revealed that kerry had a lower GPA than Bush at Yale. (by 1 "cumulative" point)
[08:40:00] mchou: which surprised the heck out of me.
[08:40:00] mchou: were they both "party animals?"
[08:42:00] fuzuoku: haha... i wonder if bush had his unholy partner back then
[08:43:00] mchou: You mean like "Bush & Jesus 2008, Apocalyse Now!"?
[08:43:00] mchou: hehe
[08:44:00] fuzuoku: hehe
[08:45:00] mchou: Buch didnt know rove back ten.
[08:45:00] mchou: then*
[08:45:00] fuzuoku: officially
[08:45:00] fuzuoku: maybe pen pals :)
[08:45:00] mchou: no, they didnt know each other at all back then.
[08:46:00] mchou: And it was rove who sought ought bush, not the other way around.
[08:46:00] fuzuoku: damn. a whole book i just wrote... worthless! thanks..
[08:46:00] mchou: haha!!
[08:46:00] fuzuoku: screw it, i'll sell it to that fahr 9/11 guy anyways
[08:48:00] Chutt: just to sanity check, for anyone that's used jarod's howto – were you confused by the links to enable the pvr-350 output setup information?
[08:48:00] fuzuoku: that sure was a waste of time. if i wanted to waste time watching unsubstantiated bullshit being passed off as the truth i'd watch the discovery channel... somtimes its cool
[08:49:00] sphing: i need to offset myth about 20 seconds...
[08:49:00] sphing: how can i do that?
[08:50:00] mchou: Chutt: you asserting that is poorly written? :)
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[08:50:00] fuzuoku: more like: questioning
[08:50:00] Chutt: no, i'm wondering if it's only the moron on the users list that was confused by it
[08:51:00] Chutt: i'm tired of him being an ass about how poor the docs are
[08:51:00] mchou: Chutt: haha! No doubt.
[08:51:00] mchou: Chutt: really I dont know why you bother with ppl like that.
[08:51:00] mchou: no need to get your pulse rate up for that kind of BS.
[08:52:00] Chutt: i don't
[08:52:00] Chutt: it's funny, and if they continue, it's really easy to remove them from the list
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[08:57:00] sphing: ugh i hate how diff channels follow diff timings
[08:59:00] fuzuoku: "the world of IRC"... that's what... us and 4 other guys, right?
[09:03:00] twisted_one: nope
[09:03:00] twisted_one: 5
[09:03:00] twisted_one: =P
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[09:04:00] Chutt: xris, evenin
[09:04:00] xris: evening
[09:05:00] xris: such nice weather, I haven't gotten any coding done. heh.
[09:05:00] Chutt: heh
[09:06:00] Chutt: yeah, i had to be "outside" a bunch the past few days
[09:06:00] Chutt: i'm figuring switching the repository over tomorrow night, unless i get swamped by something at work
[09:06:00] fuzuoku: did you remember to bring the sunscreen, laptop and defcon (or similair) t-shirt
[09:07:00] xris: Chutt: I'll try to be around.
[09:08:00] Chutt: <shrug>
[09:08:00] Chutt: i don't think it'll matter _too_ much if you're not there
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[09:08:00] Chutt: it'll just go faster if i don't have to figure everything out =)
[09:09:00] xris: heh
[09:09:00] xris: well, you've done it a few times. as long as you remember the fsfs bit it's pretty easy.
[09:09:00] Chutt: yeah
[09:10:00] twisted_one: http://malaeum.net/gravity/
[09:10:00] twisted_one: that link work?
[09:10:00] Chutt: i actually did the conversion 6 or 7 times
[09:10:00] Chutt: since the cvs server had broken files, and it'd die trying to get certain revisions
[09:10:00] Chutt: yes, that link works
[09:10:00] twisted_one: thanks
[09:10:00] xris: yeah, you mentioned that.
[09:11:00] Chutt: yeah, good fun
[09:11:00] Chutt: anyway
[09:11:00] Chutt: it's after 3 am
[09:11:00] Chutt: i think i should go to bed
[09:11:00] xris: I just did --trunk-only on my stuff, but I didn't have any real branches. he.
[09:11:00] xris: yeah, bed would be good.
[09:11:00] xris: I should do the same. wife went ages ago (then again, she has to get up around 4:30 for work at 6)
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[09:32:00] mrplum: wow, mythphone isn't as fun as I thought
[09:32:00] mrplum: need to figur eout how to make things bigger on my TV
[09:32:00] mrplum: watching TV it pops up tiny little numbers
[09:34:00] fuzuoku: i use my crappy tv as a second monitor.. have to make the text huge to read it
[09:36:00] fuzuoku: i want to get a projector or lcd tv... yeah, that'd be the life.. then i'd never have a reason to leave my room since i've got a recliner with built-in toilet and albertsons home delivery
[09:37:00] mrplum: heh nice
[09:37:00] mrplum: no
[09:37:00] mrplum: wait no not nie
[09:38:00] mrplum: ugh I could deal with it being small if it made a ringing sound :-P *sigh*
[09:40:00] fuzuoku: i'm waiting for lcd tv or projector prices to come down from insanely-fricken-expensive to beautifully-fricken-cheap
[09:41:00] mrplum: I built one for my friend once
[09:41:00] mrplum: wasn't too expensive, cost $200 overall I think
[09:41:00] fuzuoku: my grandparents just got a brand new plasma hdtv. the hdtv channels look beautiful but regular channels look like shit
[09:42:00] mrplum: bought a cheap lcd monitor, ripped it apart, mounted it onto an overhead projecter
[09:42:00] fuzuoku: ah, yeah, i've heart of that
[09:42:00] mrplum: but you can buy lcd for overheads too
[09:42:00] fuzuoku: yeah, tom's hardware
[09:42:00] mrplum: it works pretty damn good
[09:42:00] fuzuoku: how about the noise?
[09:43:00] fuzuoku: gonna need some airflow on that
[09:43:00] mrplum: well didn't end up keeping the homebuilt one, and he went with a manufacutered lcd overhead project screen
[09:44:00] mrplum: so not sure how heat would have been in the long run
[09:44:00] mrplum: the overhead has a fan in it anyways, so it won't be much louder then that
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[09:52:00] Mersault: Anyone here know how I might go about being able to listen to music shared through iTunes through MythMusic?
[10:09:00] mrplum: hmmm
[10:09:00] mrplum: shouldn't be too hard? you're just talking about networking a folder right?
[10:09:00] mrplum: use samba
[10:11:00] fuzuoku: itunes uses netbios?
[10:11:00] fuzuoku: i'd figure they'd use a proprietary system
[10:11:00] fuzuoku: heh
[10:11:00] mrplum: heh, go apple
[10:11:00] fuzuoku: rather, ANOTHER proprieatary system
[10:11:00] mrplum: it's pretty sweet fmro what I here
[10:11:00] fuzuoku: home-made
[10:12:00] Mersault: iTunes uses DAAP
[10:12:00] Mersault: there's a linux daap server called mt-daapd that I use to stream music from my linux box to my iTunes clients
[10:13:00] Mersault: I'm hoping I can get mythtv to use it too
[10:13:00] mrplum: itune clients? wth? bah.
[10:13:00] mrplum: just share your music directory
[10:13:00] Mersault: I could, but that isn't as secure
[10:14:00] Mersault: plus, I can't share playlists through that
[10:14:00] Mersault: at least, not as easily.
[10:14:00] fuzuoku: m3u and pls files?
[10:15:00] Mersault: there are still missing features. dynamic playlists, etc
[10:16:00] Mersault: and since it's a wireless link, I don't want my system hanging when nfs can't find the file...
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[10:19:00] fuzuoku: mmm... personal net-cast radio station with a web interface to select what's played?
[10:21:00] fuzuoku: icecast, i think is something that'll do something like that... then you can just tune in whichever system you want and even have all the computers playing the same shit in different rooms to say "i pwn j00, n3wbz" or something of the like to your neighbors
[10:21:00] Mersault: oh, and what's the best way to get my geforce2 to remember my tv-out settings and start them everytime I boot up?
[10:21:00] Mersault: or start x, at least
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[10:22:00] Mersault: fuzuoku, exactly, I don't want the same music in all rooms. we want breakbeats in the living room, depressing music in my room mates room since he never gets laid, and parliament 24/7 in my room
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[10:23:00] fuzuoku: haha
[10:23:00] Mersault: my question wasn't what could I use instead, it was had anyone made it work with the tools I prefere. If no one has, then I research the best alternative.
[10:25:00] fuzuoku: yeh, but if no one ever said "hey! why don't we try this thing where the people of the country control the country? sounds cool, right?" then we'd all be commies or whatever :)
[10:26:00] fuzuoku: so, sometimes suggestions are good things :D
[10:27:00] Mersault: agreed.
[10:27:00] Mersault: mmm despotism
[10:28:00] fuzuoku: yeah. i've always thought i'd make a good supreme overlord
[10:28:00] Mersault: oh, and if I'm using nvtv with my geforce2 to set my tv-out settings, what's the best way to save them so they load again when I start x?
[10:30:00] fuzuoku: from limited experience: xorg.conf or xf86config?
[10:30:00] fuzuoku: or... uhh.. .xinitrc or something like that
[10:30:00] Mersault: okay... but how do I get nvtv to output what I need to add?
[10:33:00] fuzuoku: try #linuxhelp on undernet or freenode
[10:36:00] mrplum: Mersault, best way i thin kis to create a command line that does it
[10:36:00] mrplum: nvtv --help
[10:36:00] mrplum: and through that into some script somewhere
[10:37:00] mrplum: ... is there something more to getting lirc support in mplayer and xine then adding lines in ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[10:37:00] mrplum: is that even the way to do it
[10:40:00] fuzuoku: hey! http://www.tivohelp.com/archive/tivohelp.swiki.net/56.html
[10:41:00] fuzuoku: most important part is near the bottom... looks like i might be able to pipe that data through my sound card line out to control my cable box :-/
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[11:29:00] MrChook_: anyone able to tell me how channel matches are made when importing the xmltv file ?
[11:29:00] MrChook_: I've auto tuned my dvb card but when I import from xmltv it doesn't match and creates new channels
[11:36:00] stoffel: the xmltvid field in the channel table is compared with the channel-id in the xmltv file
[11:36:00] MrChook_: ta
[11:36:00] MrChook_: just browsing through the code but I ahdn't found it yet
[11:36:00] stoffel: that's how it works for analog tv at least
[11:37:00] stoffel: that's part of mythfilldatabase
[11:47:00] k31th_: morning
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[11:49:00] MrChook_: ahh, sweeeeet
[11:49:00] MrChook_: that's heaps better
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[13:22:00] hicks: Is the .nuv fileformat using the rj codec or mpeg4?
[13:27:00] GreyFoxx: I can be either
[13:27:00] GreyFoxx: it
[13:27:00] MrChook_: or mpeg2
[13:27:00] GreyFoxx: or, if you have a hardware mpeg2 encoder it could be a mpeg2 filewith a .nuv filename
[13:28:00] hicks: Well I've recorded an 90min show at 720x576 and the filesize is 1.8gig. I'm just trying to work out if thats using the mpeg4 codec or not :)
[13:28:00] hicks: I don't think my tv card does any encoding, it just dumps the raw stream through
[13:28:00] GreyFoxx: well, you configured myth. Whatever your recording profile is set too :)
[13:29:00] hicks: I've configured it for mpeg4. Whats normally the difference in filesize between rj and mpeg4?
[13:29:00] GreyFoxx: I haven't used software encoding in years :)
[13:30:00] GreyFoxx: but I don't think it's a huge difference
[13:32:00] GreyFoxx: the tcprobe app from transcode should be able to tell ya what it is though
[13:33:00] hicks: ok cheers.
[13:35:00] MrChook_: any idea what the networkid field means in dvt_multiplex ?
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[13:47:00] iggy: MrChook_: probably tells which backend it's associated with
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[13:49:00] ** MrChook_ shrugs **
[13:50:00] MrChook_: i don't think it's used for the dvb tuning, I've had to fiddle a few entries in dvt_multiplex
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[13:50:00] MrChook_: and it seems to work ok
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[14:11:00] MrChook_: SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET
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[14:20:00] MrChook_: ok, i have an mpeg 2 file recorded via mythtv from a dvb card, plays fine in nero showtime but not in quicktime of WMP... any thoughts ?
[14:24:00] MrChook_: hrm, maybe I don't have an mpeg2 codec
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[14:59:00] laga: re
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[16:00:00] CyberKnet: goodness I'm tired =)
[16:06:00] f00bar: sleep time then
[16:06:00] CyberKnet: it's 9am
[16:06:00] CyberKnet: I'm at work =)
[16:06:00] f00bar: never stopped me before ;)
[16:06:00] f00bar: j/k
[16:06:00] f00bar: tip of the day
[16:06:00] CyberKnet: heh
[16:07:00] f00bar: find an empty office, drop loads of paperclips on the floor behind the door
[16:07:00] f00bar: then sleep on the floor
[16:07:00] f00bar: when the boss comes in he wakes you up by hitting your head with the door
[16:07:00] f00bar: and you can claim you are picking up paperclips
[16:07:00] f00bar: :D
[16:07:00] GreyFoxx: I use to nap at work all the time. But then I was allowed :)
[16:07:00] CyberKnet: hah
[16:08:00] CyberKnet: what about hte chainsaw snoring that caused the boss to wonder what was going on in the office to begin with?
[16:08:00] GreyFoxx: I had a blanket and pillow in my office. I'd lay em out on the floor, close my door and nap every afternoon
[16:08:00] f00bar: ha
[16:08:00] f00bar: genius
[16:08:00] f00bar: "power napping"
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[16:09:00] GreyFoxx: some afternoons I'd be asleep in my office, my boss would be passed out at his desk, and the secretary would lock the front door and go nap on the couch in the lounge (usually after we all went out for a big lunch) heh
[16:11:00] f00bar: crazy, where did you work?
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[16:23:00] laga: microsoft quality assurance
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[16:34:00] CyberKnet: hahahah
[16:34:00] CyberKnet: nice =)
[16:35:00] CyberKnet: wow. looking for garage door openers, and would you believe that Craftsman make the cheapest one out there that I have found so far?
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[16:48:00] rah: Chutt: I don't understand what I'm supposed to be doing with mythfilldatabase --manual
[16:48:00] rah: Chutt: how do I assign xmltv data to OTA channel numbers?
[16:49:00] rah: does anyone else know what to do with mythfilldatabase --manual?
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[16:52:00] Dibblah: rah: Definition for you : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chutzpah
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[16:52:00] rah: I know what Chutzpah are
[16:52:00] rah: I've done it once already
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[16:52:00] rah: didn't do much good
[16:52:00] rah: which is why I'm asking here
[16:52:00] rah: Dibblah: can you help?
[16:53:00] Dibblah: --manual depends on your source grabber.
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[16:53:00] rah: ok
[16:53:00] rah: are there any commonalities?
[16:54:00] rah: does mythfilldatabase generally use a particular term to refer to OTA channel numbers?
[16:54:00] Dibblah: It doesn't work for the UK RT provider, so I'm afraid I can't help much.
[16:54:00] rah: jesus christ
[16:54:00] rah: then why did Chutt tell me to run it?
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[16:55:00] rah: why did Chutt make such a big fucking deal about doing what it says in the documentation
[16:55:00] rah: which is to run mythfilldatabase --manual unless you're using _na
[16:55:00] rah: what a fucking joke
[16:55:00] Dibblah: Ummm... Because it's one of the ways to set up your channels?
[16:56:00] Dibblah: The others are manually editing the database to add the tuning info,
[16:56:00] rah: Dibblah: so, can you tell me how I can get xmltv data to be displayed correctly in mythtv against the appropriate channels?
[16:56:00] rah: I asked about manually editting the database
[16:56:00] rah: Chutt said "do mythfilldatabase --manual"
[16:56:00] rah: what a helpful guy
[16:56:00] rah: anyway
[16:57:00] Dibblah: I hate to say it, but following one of the step-by-step guides may help.
[16:57:00] rah: which step-by-step guides?
[16:57:00] rah: I've followed the official documentation
[16:57:00] Dibblah: Chutt is the original dev of Myth. Hence my Chutzpah comment.
[16:57:00] Dibblah: What distribution are you running?
[16:57:00] rah: I'm the original dev of <some other software>
[16:57:00] rah: I don't expect a blowjob for helping someone
[16:58:00] rah: I'm running debian
[16:58:00] rah: or I should say, the box that is running mythtv is running debian
[16:58:00] rah: but I'm using cvs sources
[16:58:00] Dibblah: Try http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/index.php
[16:59:00] Dibblah: And also try to not be inflamatory. It makes people not want to help you.
[17:00:00] rah: Dibblah: there seems to be no information on how to edit the database manually
[17:00:00] rah: it only seems to mention --manual
[17:00:00] rah: again
[17:01:00] crash-x: install phpmyadmin and edit the database
[17:02:00] rah: crash-x: I already have a mysql interface
[17:02:00] rah: crash-x: the issue is the "edit the database"
[17:02:00] rah: edit what, precisely?
[17:03:00] Dibblah: Hmmm... I'm not sure if I'm right about --manual being grabber dependant.
[17:03:00] Dibblah: Which grabber are you using?
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[17:03:00] rah: tv_grab_uk_rt
[17:04:00] Dibblah: What source?
[17:04:00] Dibblah: (Sky, DVB-t (Freeview)...)
[17:04:00] GeckoFiend: rah that's kinda the point. don't edit the database manually unless you know what the fuck you're doing
[17:04:00] rah: Dibblah: dvb-t
[17:04:00] rah: GeckoFiend: not really
[17:05:00] Dibblah: So don't bother with all this...
[17:05:00] rah: GeckoFiend: the point is that I can get mythtv to do what I want
[17:05:00] Dibblah: Just use the OTA guide.
[17:05:00] rah: how do I do that?
[17:05:00] Dibblah: Yes, --manual works with _rt.
[17:06:00] Dibblah: Go into the setup program (mythtv-setup)
[17:06:00] Dibblah: Channel editor
[17:06:00] Dibblah: Do you have any channels defined?
[17:06:00] rah: yes
[17:07:00] Dibblah: It may be easier to remove those channels / sources and start again, I'm afraid.
[17:07:00] rah: why?
[17:07:00] rah: that's all I've done
[17:07:00] rah: all I've done is a scan
[17:07:00] Dibblah: It's difficult to get the OTA guide and RT guides lined up.
[17:07:00] Dibblah: Ah! You've already done a scan?
[17:07:00] rah: I'm lost
[17:07:00] rah: yes
[17:07:00] Chutt: all you have to do is assign them the same xmltvid fields
[17:08:00] rah: how can I use the OTA guide?
[17:08:00] Dibblah: Yes, but I'm not guiding through that :)
[17:08:00] rah: Chutt: assign what?
[17:08:00] Dibblah: Go into each channel and tick the tickbox for it...
[17:08:00] Chutt: the matching channels?
[17:08:00] Chutt: from your dvb scan and the tv_grab_uk_rt grabber?
[17:09:00] rah: Dibblah: which tickbox?
[17:09:00] rah: Chutt: matching which fields?
[17:09:00] Dibblah: This is where we find the package doesn't have EIT support.
[17:09:00] Chutt: the xmltvid
[17:09:00] Chutt: as i _just_ said
[17:09:00] rah: Chutt: I'm lost
[17:09:00] Chutt: then i can't explain it to you
[17:10:00] rah: Chutt: it says "Choose a channel ID (positive integer)"
[17:10:00] rah: Chutt: what is a channel ID?
[17:10:00] Chutt: an internal number
[17:10:00] rah: what should it be set to?
[17:10:00] Chutt: just has to be distinct
[17:10:00] rah: ok
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[17:10:00] Chutt: you really need to find a .uk howto
[17:11:00] Chutt: several exist
[17:11:00] rah: yes, I do
[17:11:00] rah: where?
[17:11:00] Chutt: i dunno, i don't keep track of them
[17:11:00] CyberKnet: rah: google is your friend.
[17:11:00] rah: CyberKnet: no it isn't
[17:11:00] rah: CyberKnet: google doesn't show anything
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[17:13:00] mchou: bs: mythtv site:uk has 7000 entries
[17:13:00] mchou: rah^^
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[17:15:00] rah: mchou: "mythtv uk howto" has nothing relevant
[17:15:00] CyberKnet: rah: a search for mythtv dvb uk guide yeilds usable results.
[17:15:00] mchou: rah: dude, dont be dense.
[17:15:00] laga: *snicker*
[17:15:00] rah: CyberKnet: I'm reading that
[17:16:00] rah: mchou: thanks for the advice
[17:16:00] laga: if you're to stupid to use google, it's likely that you won't be able to use mythtv ;)
[17:16:00] mchou: word.
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[17:16:00] rah: good job I know how to use google then
[17:16:00] zacs: < rah> CyberKnet: google doesn't show anything
[17:17:00] mchou: shit, lord knows that's not true.
[17:17:00] zacs: point
[17:17:00] rah: <rah> CyberKnet: I'm reading that
[17:17:00] rah: "point"
[17:17:00] rah: (whatever the hell that means)
[17:17:00] CyberKnet: This isn't a competition or a name calling festival.
[17:17:00] mchou: I think it's close to ban time :)
[17:17:00] Beirdo: Oooh, a pissing match going on, I see
[17:17:00] Dibblah: rah: Don't follow the section "Using the Freeview EPG For Programme Listings"
[17:18:00] Dibblah: laga: That's not a good thing.
[17:18:00] rah: Dibblah: I'm not following any section atm
[17:18:00] laga: Dibblah: what?
[17:18:00] Dibblah: I know – I was just warning you :)
[17:18:00] Dibblah: It's not good that this bit is difficult :(
[17:19:00] rah: I'm waiting for my grabber to come back with the same prompt it did before so I can find out which fields mean what
[17:19:00] mchou: OK, all you guys write to your senators re broadcast flag?
[17:19:00] Dibblah: Nope.
[17:19:00] mchou: get on it man!
[17:19:00] Dibblah: Never! What senator covers Scotland, anyway?
[17:19:00] Beirdo: or Toronto
[17:19:00] mchou: I wrote both my senators.
[17:19:00] Beirdo: get a clue, mchou.
[17:20:00] mchou: well, screw all you brits
[17:20:00] Beirdo: most of the people talking right now aren't stupid Yanks
[17:20:00] laga: *snicker*
[17:20:00] Dibblah: Mars.
[17:20:00] Dibblah: Errr... Sorry. Local joke.
[17:20:00] Beirdo: which would be why they are looking into UK information, etc.
[17:20:00] laga: Dibblah: works for me, too.
[17:21:00] mchou: Beirdo: there is one clueless dude looking for uk info. That's hardly the whole channel
[17:21:00] jonK: beirdo, I'm thinking of replacing the MSI VIA based motherboard with a nForce one from gigabyte — is htis a change you'd recommend?
[17:22:00] Beirdo: Yeah, I use nforce 3 and 4 from gigabyte
[17:22:00] Beirdo: and an nforce 2 from Asus
[17:22:00] Beirdo: nforce boards are good stuff
[17:22:00] CyberKnet: jonK: Also the nforce based ABit boards are good stuff too.
[17:22:00] mchou: nforce boards suck the most power of any chipset out there.
[17:22:00] Beirdo: so?
[17:22:00] CyberKnet: mchou: Yeah... but as long as you dont live in cali that's not a problem =)
[17:22:00] Beirdo: they work, and are rock solid
[17:23:00] jonK: have a 400w supply
[17:23:00] Beirdo: I don't give two shits about the power usage of the chipset
[17:23:00] mchou: jonK: what the heck for??
[17:23:00] Beirdo: not even one
[17:23:00] jonK: for change
[17:23:00] mchou: defeats the whole purpose of a64.....
[17:23:00] jonK: running a xp2200 processor
[17:23:00] mchou: lower power consumption and passivve cooling
[17:23:00] jonK: not64
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[17:24:00] mchou: jonK: so you looking at nforce2???
[17:24:00] jonK: and just trying any random act to fix the pvr350/500 don't get along issue
[17:24:00] jonK: bid on one on eay already
[17:24:00] JohnnyQuest: i have a 500 watt power supply
[17:24:00] mchou: lol.
[17:24:00] rah: Chutt: ok
[17:24:00] kormoc|afk: I have a 610 watt ps
[17:24:00] mchou: I dont think that's a chipset issue, thats an ivtv issue.
[17:24:00] Beirdo: mchou: who pissed on your corn flakes this morning?
[17:25:00] jonK: i know
[17:25:00] ** CyberKnet raises his hand **
[17:25:00] rah: Chutt: I have entered a positive integer for the channel ID
[17:25:00] jonK: but still.... what else you gonna do
[17:25:00] Chutt: follow that guide
[17:25:00] jonK: others have pvr350/500 working fine
[17:25:00] kormoc|afk: Beirdo, I did... sorry...
[17:25:00] Beirdo: heh.
[17:25:00] rah: Chutt: which guide?
[17:25:00] CyberKnet: kormoc|afk: you too? =)
[17:25:00] mchou: jonK: buying a new mobo aint gonna fix that problem.....
[17:25:00] kormoc|afk: hehe :P
[17:25:00] CyberKnet: I think he got more piss than milk =)
[17:26:00] jonK: could it hurt it?
[17:26:00] CyberKnet: you'd have thought hte overflowing bown would have been enough warning. =)
[17:26:00] CyberKnet: s/bown/bowl/
[17:26:00] Beirdo: mchou: you don't know what you are talking about
[17:26:00] Beirdo: the VIA chipset boards are crap
[17:26:00] mchou: jonK: could hurt your pocketbook :)
[17:26:00] rah: Chutt: what is a "channel name"?
[17:26:00] JohnnyQuest: i have via
[17:26:00] jonK: the great and powerful beirdo hath spoken
[17:26:00] Chutt: follow the guide
[17:26:00] kormoc|afk: via chipsets always have random problems
[17:26:00] Chutt: that you _said_ you were reading
[17:26:00] mchou: Beirdo: lol. like the nforce2 aint crap.....
[17:26:00] kormoc|afk: its not
[17:26:00] JohnnyQuest: and nfoce4
[17:27:00] Beirdo: mchou: once again, you don't know what you are talking about
[17:27:00] jonK: so, maybe this is causing mine
[17:27:00] JohnnyQuest: via < nforce
[17:27:00] jonK: "random problem"
[17:27:00] Dibblah: There _used_ to be problems with VIA and PVRx50s. However, it was a bug in the PVRx50 boards...
[17:27:00] mchou: got to disable everything in sight like apic and whatnot to get it working stably.
[17:27:00] Beirdo: nforce2 is one of the most stable AthlonXP chipsets out
[17:27:00] Beirdo: Dibblah: it's a problem with DMA on the VIA chipset last I looked
[17:27:00] mchou: Beirdo: keep onsmoking dope.
[17:28:00] kormoc|afk: he should take you stash mchou
[17:28:00] jonK: he will, but that's an independent fact from this dispute
[17:28:00] Grant-: lol
[17:28:00] kormoc|afk: and your crack as well
[17:28:00] JohnnyQuest: i like smoking dope, and via is not as good as nforce
[17:28:00] Beirdo: mchou: you have *any* facts to back your BS up?
[17:28:00] Beirdo: and I don't smoke dope
[17:28:00] mchou: jonK: not ifit impairs his brain function :)
[17:28:00] rah: Chutt: it says here that I just need to run "mythfilldatabase --no-delete --update --file 1 0 <xmltv file>"
[17:28:00] JohnnyQuest: hvae you ever looked at reviews on anandtech on teh chipsets/
[17:28:00] CyberKnet: mchou: personal experience: I did *nothing* to make my nforce2 board work other than plug everything in. YMMV.
[17:28:00] Chutt: rah, you didn't say you were using dvb before.
[17:29:00] rah: Chutt: which is in contradiction to the official guide
[17:29:00] Beirdo: all I needed was forcedeth for my 2.4 kernel, and nforce2 is rock solid, works perfectly
[17:29:00] rah: ok
[17:29:00] mchou: Beirdo: look at thee number of ppl complaing about nforce2 running linux (hiont: use google)
[17:29:00] Chutt: the official guide doesn't tell you how to match up dvb + xmltv data.
[17:29:00] GeckoFiend: mchou then they're idiots
[17:29:00] rah: Chutt: this I know
[17:29:00] rah: Chutt: how can I do that?
[17:29:00] Beirdo: mchou: number of incompetent idiots on the internet aside... any facts?
[17:29:00] kormoc|afk: mchou, look how many people say linux sucks on google, does that mean it does?
[17:29:00] Chutt: read the fucking guide that you _said_ you were reading
[17:29:00] GeckoFiend: I've run several nforce 2 boards under linux without any issues
[17:29:00] Chutt: it says how to do it
[17:30:00] kormoc|afk: Results 1 – 10 of about 889,000 for linux sucks.
[17:30:00] mchou: kormoc|afk: if those ppl include andrew morton, yes, I'd be inclined to believe him
[17:30:00] kormoc|afk: Results 1 – 10 of about 9,000 for nforce2 sucks
[17:30:00] Dibblah: Personally, I'd just turn on the OTA guide and ignore the Radio Times grabber.
[17:31:00] kormoc|afk: linux sucks 98x more then nforce2!
[17:31:00] JohnnyQuest: now do via sucks
[17:31:00] kormoc|afk: Results 1 – 10 of about 1,460,000 for via sucks
[17:31:00] JohnnyQuest: Results 1 – 10 of about 1,470,000 for via sucks.
[17:31:00] kormoc|afk: :)
[17:31:00] Beirdo: whoever the hell Andrew Morton is... makes no difference to me. nforce2 is pretty well the most stable chipset for the Athlon XP. the SiS cheap POS chipset on the ECS K75SA is pretty solid too
[17:31:00] JohnnyQuest: via...worse than nforce2
[17:31:00] ** jonK files that right into lies, damn lies, and statistics **
[17:32:00] Dibblah: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_ . . . mp;word2=MCE
[17:32:00] JohnnyQuest: lol
[17:32:00] ** rah wonders if the "import channels.conf" will work **
[17:32:00] kormoc|afk: Beirdo, he's a kernel coder with his hands in a few random things
[17:32:00] laga: owned
[17:32:00] Dibblah: rah: Not usefully, no.
[17:32:00] Beirdo: the VIA ones however are a quagmire of crappy chipsets and a few decent ones. totally unreliable
[17:32:00] rah: damn :/
[17:32:00] ** rah rescans **
[17:33:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: isn't he also maintainer for the 2.2 series?
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[17:33:00] kormoc|afk: CyberKnet, something like tha
[17:33:00] CyberKnet: I may be remembering wrong there though.
[17:33:00] CyberKnet: oh, 2.6, not 2.2 =P"
[17:33:00] kormoc|afk: mchou, his only beef with the nforce2 was that nvidia hasn't opened the specs on the sound, that's it, it's not about a real hardware problem
[17:33:00] GeckoFiend: Results 1 – 10 of about 12,400 for isaac richards is satan there you have it.. Proof that Isaac is evil
[17:33:00] CyberKnet: *grin*
[17:34:00] CyberKnet: GeckoFiend: wow. that is ... stunning =)
[17:34:00] Beirdo: heh, now that's interesting, GeckoFiend
[17:35:00] Beirdo: google can give you all kinds of crap, eh?
[17:35:00] CyberKnet: if google would hurry up and index mythlogbot then a search for certain nicknames and "clueless" would turn up something relevant =)
[17:35:00] Beirdo: hehe
[17:35:00] Beirdo: I think it has indexed it, no?
[17:35:00] CyberKnet: I am not naming names!
[17:35:00] JohnnyQuest: it does have mythlogbot on there
[17:35:00] CyberKnet: it has part of it indexed.
[17:35:00] ** Beirdo points at CyberKnet **
[17:35:00] JohnnyQuest: i have found it on tehre
[17:36:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:36:00] Beirdo: so be careful what crappy things you say here.. google is listening :)
[17:36:00] JohnnyQuest: wehn i have a problem i search google and get mythlog bot often
[17:37:00] JohnnyQuest: anyone here used the gatos ati drivers?
[17:37:00] Beirdo: not me
[17:37:00] laga: is the scanwiz patch for analog scanning supposed to work with ivtv cards?
[17:38:00] JohnnyQuest: anyone know of a driver for the really old ati cards that will get tvout to wokr?
[17:38:00] jonK: johnny, go buy new card, you can get nvida with an svideo out for cheap
[17:38:00] LostSole: Beirdo: "You have the right to remain silent – anything you type can and will be held against you by Mythbot." :)
[17:39:00] Beirdo: hehe, something like that
[17:39:00] Beirdo: you have the right to lurk...
[17:39:00] mchou: kormoc|afk: where do you see morton having an issue with sound on nvidia????
[17:39:00] Beirdo: mchou: have a Valium
[17:39:00] LostSole: Too bad stupidity is not a crime – you think the jails are overcrowded now. ;)
[17:40:00] Beirdo: hehe.
[17:40:00] Beirdo: I bet Capitol Hill would look a lot different if stupidity were a felony
[17:40:00] Beirdo: or greed
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[17:43:00] kormoc|afk: free mem key
[17:43:00] kormoc|afk: http://www-306.ibm.com/software/info/tivoli/i . . . ACT=105AF10D
[17:43:00] monkeyBox: Has anyone here switched from Netflix to Blockbuster Online? I'm tempted to do it, but I'm not sure..
[17:43:00] beavis: why does myth look for the image files in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/ instead of my rec dir?
[17:44:00] mchou: kormoc|afk: you planning to anwer my question??
[17:44:00] mchou: answer*
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[17:44:00] rah: Chutt: from that guide: For 0.17 or later follow the first section "Scanning for Channels – The Really Easy Way".
[17:44:00] rah: Chutt: I've followed that
[17:44:00] rah: Chutt: I have no EPG data
[17:45:00] rah: Chutt: which section should I follow?
[17:46:00] Chutt: the 'obtaining extra xmltv data' section?
[17:46:00] Chutt: perhaps?
[17:46:00] Chutt: maybe if you just learned how to read...
[17:46:00] beavis: it shows me here: Unable to find image file: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/1017_20050428201300_20050428211500.nuv.png instead of /mythtv/video/file.nuv.png
[17:46:00] Chutt: but, whatever
[17:47:00] Chutt: all the info you need is in there
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[17:49:00] mchou: jonK: Ijust think you buying a bigger headache at this stage with nforce2. At this point it would probably make more financial sense to go with a64. your time and money though.
[17:51:00] mchou: jonK: especially if HDTV is going to be in your future :)
[17:51:00] jonK: That is an issue, I've ordered an hd3000 card
[17:52:00] jonK: should be here next week
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[17:52:00] mchou: hmm, speaking of which, anyone have any word on when air2pc is likely to ship?
[17:53:00] zacs: i wish we got more OTA channels in ottawa... it's not worth the cost of the card at the moment
[17:53:00] mchou: zacs: lol, move outta the boondocks man :)
[17:54:00] zacs: mchou: toronto gets good OTA i've heard
[17:54:00] mchou: I get 70 distinct HDTV channels here (but only 15 I'd watch)
[17:54:00] zacs: mchou: where are you?
[17:54:00] mchou: San Fran Bay area.
[17:54:00] beavis: the frontend log shows me zillions of messages like this, is it ok? 2005-06–21 17:53:51.422 audio waiting for space on soundcard: have 1888 need 4096
[17:55:00] rah: this is painful
[17:55:00] zacs: mchou: i'd be happy if canada would just require companies to enable firewire at this point
[17:55:00] mchou: jonK: what made you decide on hd3k?
[17:55:00] mchou: zacs: heh. why?
[17:56:00] jonK: it was very shiny
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[17:56:00] mchou: zacs: firewire is 5C (encrypted)
[17:56:00] fryfrog: anyone know of any good, older laptops? like the kind you might use to take notes in class only?
[17:56:00] zacs: mchou: i already pay for digital cable, i just can't capture hd content
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[17:56:00] jonK: is there a reason i shouldn't get the 3000?
[17:56:00] mchou: zacs: so you gonna capture standard def over firewire?
[17:57:00] zacs: i wasn't aware it was encrypted
[17:57:00] zacs: i thought that was the big deal about mythtv firewire support
[17:57:00] mchou: zacs: well, now you know :)
[17:57:00] CyberKnet: damn cable companies never give away anything for free.
[17:58:00] mchou: hmm, I think MPAA had more to do with 5C than cablecos :)
[17:58:00] CyberKnet: and never give you a way to record your content when you pay for it.
[17:58:00] CyberKnet: mchou: they're all assmasters.
[17:58:00] mrplum: hehe
[17:58:00] mrplum: yea fuck them
[17:59:00] mchou: jonK: no, I was just wondering what clinched your decision on hd3k.
[17:59:00] mchou: jonK: some ppl dont like it.
[17:59:00] jonK: really? is there something they like better?
[18:00:00] mchou: jonK: dopester (and other ppl) prefers the "new" air2pc
[18:00:00] mchou: 5th gen tuner.
[18:01:00] mchou: hd3k I think has a 3rd gen tuner.....
[18:01:00] mchou: better for multipath and no "breakups" of picture.
[18:02:00] rah: http://www.sateuropa.co.uk/product_overview.a . . . amp;subcat=7
[18:02:00] jonK: what's multipath?
[18:02:00] rah: I want one of thoser
[18:02:00] rah: I'm going to buy one
[18:02:00] kormoc|afk: mchou, huh? what question?
[18:02:00] mchou: jonK: you sure you a patent lawyer? :)
[18:03:00] mchou: kormoc|afk: [08:39:23] <mchou> kormoc|afk: where do you see morton having an issue with sound on nvidia????
[18:03:00] jonK: quite sure... :)
[18:03:00] kormoc|afk: mchou, kernel mailing list.
[18:03:00] kormoc|afk: mchou, google it and kernel trap should have it archived.
[18:03:00] mchou: kormoc|afk: link pls.
[18:04:00] mchou: afaik morton didn't have issue wityh "closed" sound from nvidia.
[18:04:00] kormoc|afk: mchou, I don't really have time to link for ya now, but I seem to recall it was he who flamed nvidia about the sound issue.
[18:05:00] ** kormoc|afk is afk for real **
[18:05:00] mchou: kormoc|afk: dont think so.
[18:06:00] mchou: jonK: how far are the TV towers from your house?
[18:06:00] jonK: no clue
[18:06:00] jonK: and live in high-rise
[18:06:00] mchou: jonK: you plan on using QAM or OTA?
[18:07:00] jonK: ota, i dont think i have access to an unencryptoed qam signal,
[18:07:00] jonK: have been meaning to contact cable provider
[18:07:00] mchou: jonK: are there neighboring hi-rises?
[18:07:00] mchou: jonK: who is cable provider?
[18:07:00] jonK: a copule, depends on dirction
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[18:07:00] jonK: shitty — tvmax
[18:08:00] mchou: tvmax?? never heard of them.
[18:08:00] mchou: where is this?
[18:08:00] jonK: condsider yourself lucky
[18:08:00] jonK: houston
[18:08:00] mrplum: Hey how can I go about using two applications on my myth box that use sound. If I wanted to run my own homebrewed SIP client, but still have it ring when I'm watching TV...
[18:08:00] mchou: hmm. you better check out how far towers are on antennaweb.org.
[18:09:00] mchou: houston is a big city.
[18:09:00] mchou: multipath might be an issue if you get refections from neighboring hi-rises.
[18:10:00] mchou: reflections*
[18:10:00] laga: mrplum: umm, if you're using alsa, check out their dmix plugin
[18:10:00] jonK: won't live there forever....
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[18:11:00] rah: when scanning, mythtv-setup can stick at X% for a number of days
[18:11:00] mchou: jonK: no doubt :)
[18:11:00] rah: or never complete
[18:11:00] rah: is this a known issue?
[18:11:00] mrplum: nice
[18:12:00] ** rah pokes Chutt **
[18:13:00] mchou: jonK: can you put antenna on roof/balcony of hi-rise?
[18:13:00] jonK: balcony, yes, roof more difficult
[18:14:00] mchou: jonK: seriously, check out antennaweb.org
[18:15:00] mchou: tower distances and orientation are critical.
[18:17:00] jonK: distances 10.8 --12
[18:17:00] jonK: orientation roughly due south (assuming 180 degrees == due south)
[18:18:00] mchou: hmm, not too bad then.
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[18:18:00] mchou: 10–12 miles you might be able to get by with indoor antenna like silver sensor.
[18:19:00] jonK: hope so :)
[18:19:00] mchou: assuming there isnt much multipath.
[18:19:00] jonK: becuase I balcony not facing south (west/north)
[18:20:00] jonK: describe multipath
[18:20:00] mchou: depends how much concrete there is in yourbuilding :)
[18:21:00] mchou: jonK: nah. too lazy. google. use lexis nexis man :)
[18:22:00] mchou: jonK: 1st link from google: http://users.ece.gatech.edu/~mai/tutorial_multipath.htm
[18:24:00] jonK: i'll probably have 1 big multipath from the 30 story building next door
[18:25:00] mchou: this is a good link too: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~balazer/dtv/#multipath
[18:26:00] mchou: "Be warned that current generation receivers have rather poor equalizers and still don't handle multipath very well. In many circumstances an outdoor antenna and rotor are required to receive signals. A more directional antenna is usually better, but at the expense of needing to be re-aimed when you want to receive stations from a different direction."
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[18:28:00] jonK: everything is between 184–189 degrees,
[18:30:00] mchou: jonK: that's only if multipath is not a serious problem :)
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[18:32:00] jonK: no, im thinking that if I can get a directional, centered at 186.5, I might not need to re-aim
[18:32:00] jonK: at least, that half of the equation might work,
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[18:33:00] mchou: jonK: how do you get TV now?
[18:33:00] jonK: to the souch it's pretty clear all the major structures (including a 64 story office tower) are to the north
[18:33:00] mchou: via cable or antenna?
[18:34:00] jonK: antenna
[18:34:00] mchou: ahh, you can check for mutipatch then.
[18:34:00] mchou: multipath*
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[18:35:00] mchou: if you get ghosting when you wave your arms, then you may have multipath issue.
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[18:36:00] Beirdo: ... you may be a redneck...
[18:36:00] JohnnyQuest: lol
[18:36:00] mchou: otherwise all will be well :)
[18:38:00] jonK: wait-- get tv now through analog cable
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[18:40:00] mchou: jonK: I'd go buy an antenna first and see how it works in that building with analog tv.
[18:40:00] LostSole: this is probably a dumb question, but I'll ask anyway :) I'm looking at the .debs on "dijkstra.csh.rit.edu" for mythtv, and don't see any for AMD64, but do see some that read "binary-all"... would these work?
[18:40:00] jonK: too late
[18:40:00] mchou: if ghosting then you may be screwed.
[18:40:00] jonK: i've bought the card
[18:40:00] jonK: just waiting for it to arrive
[18:41:00] mchou: you gonna need antenna anyways.
[18:41:00] mchou: why not buy it and test things out :)
[18:41:00] mchou: b4 it arrives.
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[18:42:00] jonK: won't change anything, might was well test bu installing and using
[18:42:00] mchou: it beats getting an antenna and futzing with it at the same time as hd3k :)
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[18:43:00] mchou: at least you'd have a baseline from which to gauge effort :)
[18:44:00] laga: LostSole: you could prolly rebuild those packages
[18:45:00] LostSole: laga: I've looked into building the packages from source (a la the mythtv guide), but run into compile problems.
[18:45:00] jonK: fine, I'll do it the systematic way...
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[19:04:00] jonK: I'm just interested in seeing 5 active tuners in mythbackend anyway!
[19:05:00] jonK: stupid question: how can i get a screenshot of a mythtv GUI screen?
[19:05:00] rtsai: 12:18 <mchou> 10–12 miles you might be able to get by with indoor antenna like
[19:05:00] rtsai: silver sensor.
[19:05:00] jonK: that's what I was planning on buying
[19:06:00] rtsai: I've tried the Silver Sensor. It doesn't work as well as my $20 Radio Shack indoor antenna.
[19:06:00] Beirdo: rtsai: that will depend on your situation
[19:06:00] jonK: i need to go by RS anyway, I just get one there
[19:06:00] rtsai: but you can return stuff to RS.
[19:06:00] laga: jonK: probably with import.
[19:06:00] rtsai: (and the store near where I live encouraged me to do so, if it didn't work)
[19:07:00] ** Beirdo returns rtsai to Radio Shack **
[19:07:00] rtsai: haha
[19:07:00] CyberKnet: I got my WRT54GS from RS for that reason.
[19:07:00] ** laga fights with lirc **
[19:07:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:07:00] CyberKnet: and they were cheapest, and I have scottish tendancies.
[19:07:00] laga: CyberKnet: nice toy, huh?
[19:07:00] Beirdo: no Wallymart?
[19:07:00] CyberKnet: laga: thus far.
[19:07:00] rtsai: not here
[19:07:00] laga: CyberKnet: :)
[19:07:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: Nope. RS was $10 cheaper =)
[19:07:00] Beirdo: wow
[19:07:00] jonK: what's wrt54g?
[19:07:00] Beirdo: and less evil too
[19:08:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: from one evil corp to another slightly less evil corp
[19:08:00] laga: lircd 0.7.1pre2[13553]: config file contains no valid
[19:08:00] laga: remote control definition
[19:08:00] laga: *sigh+
[19:08:00] jonK: wrt54g?
[19:08:00] Beirdo: aye
[19:08:00] laga: jonK: a nice wlan router running linux – you can make it do neat things
[19:08:00] Beirdo: like run asterisk :)
[19:08:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:09:00] rtsai: do you have 54g or 54gs?
[19:09:00] CyberKnet: I have 56gs
[19:09:00] CyberKnet: 54gs v2.0
[19:09:00] rtsai: can you actually get 100Mbps?
[19:09:00] laga: Beirdo: i gotta perform the sd-card mod, mine doesn't have enough free flash space
[19:09:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:09:00] CyberKnet: rtsai: no, I dont have any linksys cards ;)
[19:09:00] Beirdo: laga: you are a geek
[19:09:00] CyberKnet: I just got the gs for the flash space.
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[19:10:00] laga: Beirdo: and i'm going to do the sd-card mod and the serial port mod to make it a neat little wardriving device (with GPS)
[19:10:00] Beirdo: quit downloading porn to your router
[19:10:00] laga: Beirdo: no i'm not
[19:10:00] CyberKnet: my router NEEDS its porn, I tell you.
[19:10:00] rtsai: (.)(.)
[19:10:00] jonK: oh... thought it was the card not the router
[19:10:00] jonK: i have a wcg200
[19:10:00] rtsai: that ought to fit in your flash-device space
[19:10:00] CyberKnet: jonK: nope, the WRT54GS is the router.
[19:10:00] CyberKnet: rtsai: a set of popping eyes?? *grin*
[19:11:00] CyberKnet: I heard sd card or serial mod on the GS are much more difficult.
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[19:12:00] CyberKnet: good thing I dont want either of them =)
[19:13:00] jonK: can the wrt54g interfere with OTA hd?
[19:14:00] Beirdo: how could it?
[19:14:00] Beirdo: totally different frequency bands
[19:14:00] Beirdo: and the FCC tests for inter-band interference pretty carefully
[19:14:00] CyberKnet: unless you are talking about broadband over power line, at which point in time the sweep the research under the rug.
[19:15:00] laga: CyberKnet: the asus wl500 supports usb-hdds. i wonder if it would work with an usb<->serial converter
[19:15:00] CyberKnet: laga: I dunno. I dont intend on using my router for anything other than being a router. But I understand how other people would want to do other things with it. Just saying I dont intend to.
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[19:15:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: even then, the interference is pretty minor
[19:15:00] CyberKnet: laga: but if you are running linux on it, I cant see why a USB->serial would not work.
[19:16:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: that depends on who you ask.
[19:16:00] Beirdo: the only thing it seriously interferes with is ham radio
[19:16:00] laga: CyberKnet: hehe. i'm cheap, i'm not going to put a whole computer in my car just for the occasional wardriving ;)
[19:16:00] CyberKnet: yes.
[19:16:00] CyberKnet: That would be what I am referring to.
[19:16:00] Beirdo: and we hams get screwed over repeatedly. live with it
[19:16:00] CyberKnet: laga: yep. like I said, I understand why other people want to hook things up.
[19:16:00] CyberKnet: I'm not a ham.
[19:17:00] Beirdo: I am
[19:17:00] Beirdo: :)
[19:17:00] CyberKnet: I just feel for their frustration at being ignored by a body that is supposed to be protecting them.
[19:17:00] ** laga thionks: wifi > ham **
[19:17:00] Beirdo: bah
[19:17:00] Beirdo: ham >> wifi
[19:17:00] CyberKnet: It's not unusual, but it's no less unfortunate.
[19:17:00] Beirdo: wifi does you no good in an emergency
[19:17:00] CyberKnet: true that.
[19:17:00] CyberKnet: ham is very important.
[19:17:00] Beirdo: ask the people who live in Florida what ham radio is good for
[19:18:00] ** laga lives in the civilisation **
[19:18:00] Beirdo: mmmmm. ham
[19:18:00] CyberKnet: ask the people who got hit by the tsunami what ham radio is good for.
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[19:18:00] Beirdo: laga: Florida is civilization
[19:18:00] CyberKnet: then ask them if they were sad their wifi didn't work.
[19:18:00] Beirdo: ask the people in SF/Oakland after the big one in the late 80s/early 90s
[19:18:00] sphing: Beirdo: you'd be suprised
[19:19:00] Beirdo: sphing: not ALL of Florida, but parts of it
[19:19:00] CyberKnet: Ham radio is an important service, and deserves protection.
[19:19:00] Beirdo: aye
[19:19:00] Beirdo: and broadband over power lines is just stupid anyways
[19:19:00] CyberKnet: Exactly.
[19:19:00] Beirdo: we try SO hard to have clean power
[19:19:00] Beirdo: then they want to put high frequency CRAP on the line?
[19:19:00] Beirdo: real smart
[19:20:00] CyberKnet: power companies have never had a reputation for being smart.
[19:20:00] Beirdo: heh
[19:20:00] CyberKnet: Like cable companies.
[19:20:00] CyberKnet: and phone companies.
[19:20:00] Beirdo: sure they are smart
[19:20:00] Beirdo: they know how to make money
[19:20:00] CyberKnet: you dont have to be smart to make money.
[19:20:00] CyberKnet: case in point: Paris Hilton
[19:21:00] Beirdo: she doesn't make much
[19:21:00] laga: she's fuckly
[19:21:00] CyberKnet: she makes more than I do.
[19:21:00] Beirdo: she's handed most of it from her daddy
[19:21:00] jonK: most?
[19:21:00] sphing: CyberKnet: even if she wasn't doing anything
[19:21:00] jonK: wow, understatement from bierdo
[19:21:00] Beirdo: and then the stupid TV companies give her some to spread her sluttiness on TV
[19:21:00] CyberKnet: jonK: she did that simple life thing and got some of her own =)
[19:21:00] sphing: she'd still be richer thatn everyone in this room
[19:21:00] sphing: combined
[19:21:00] jonK: and the percentages put that at what 1–2 %
[19:22:00] CyberKnet: jonK: about 0.000025% =)
[19:22:00] Beirdo: doubt that, CyberKnet
[19:22:00] Beirdo: more like 20% of her current income, I'd bet
[19:22:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: depends if she and Paris get married, I'd think =)
[19:22:00] Beirdo: once her daddy dies... then it will be insignificant
[19:22:00] sphing: shes not inheriting that much
[19:23:00] Beirdo: "not that much"
[19:23:00] Beirdo: hahaha
[19:23:00] sphing: only like $100mil
[19:23:00] sphing: the guys is a CEO of Hilton hotels
[19:23:00] CyberKnet: Yeah, her fiance Paris is the one that is worth billions.
[19:23:00] sphing: like a multibillion dollar international firm
[19:23:00] Beirdo: take the silver spoon out of your ass if you think that's not much
[19:23:00] sphing: its a fortune of course to you and me... but if your dad is worth billions
[19:24:00] sphing: thats like 5% of his worth
[19:24:00] Beirdo: and 5% more than is deserved
[19:24:00] CyberKnet: wonder where the other 95% is going.
[19:25:00] sphing: Beirdo: the girl has done nothing for herself
[19:25:00] sphing: but shes bringing in a few mil by herself
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[19:26:00] CyberKnet: I wish people would pay a few mil to see me work on a farm or on a trailer trip. ;) (yes, bring on the oblig sheep jokes)
[19:26:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:26:00] Beirdo: you'll be workin it all right
[19:26:00] sphing: shes not even that hot
[19:27:00] Beirdo: rich.. yes
[19:27:00] Beirdo: hot.. no
[19:27:00] CyberKnet: *shrug*
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[19:27:00] CyberKnet: people dont care about faces. they want t&a
[19:28:00] Beirdo: even then... meh
[19:28:00] Beirdo: to paraphrase Jim Carrey from Liar Liar... "I've seen better"
[19:28:00] CyberKnet: true enough.
[19:29:00] Beirdo: that movie's hilarious, I need to watch the DVD again
[19:29:00] Beirdo: "sorry, the boss is really riding me right now"
[19:29:00] Beirdo: hehe
[19:29:00] CyberKnet: didn't he say "I've had better" ?
[19:29:00] Beirdo: yes
[19:29:00] Beirdo: I was paraphrasing
[19:31:00] rah: Chutt: is there no established automated method for aligning xmltv data to dvb OTA channels with UK setups?
[19:32:00] LostSole: So I'm trying to build a .deb package of mythtv-0.18 for Ubuntu x86_64 and get this output (http://pastebin.ca/15357) at the end – any suggestions on fixing that?
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[19:32:00] CyberKnet: rah: man. he's gonna excommunicate you from the mythtv family sooner or later.
[19:33:00] rah: CyberKnet: err.. eh?
[19:33:00] stoffel: hehe
[19:33:00] rah: CyberKnet: why?
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[19:35:00] CyberKnet: rah: because you keep asking him about stuff that he's said "You need to find your own source of information for this."
[19:35:00] brejc8: rah: http://brej.org/dvb/
[19:35:00] Beirdo: that doesn't translate to "ask me again in half an hour"
[19:36:00] rah: CyberKnet: that was a specific question I asked
[19:36:00] rah: CyberKnet: that I hadn't asked before
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: rah: Then go ahead and wait for his answer.
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: rah: I guarantee it will be: "Read the fucking guide that you _said_ you were reading."
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: ymmv, we'll see.
[19:37:00] brejc8: Air of suspence buids as everyone waits for someone to copy and paste a piece of text.
[19:39:00] CyberKnet: =)
[19:40:00] rah: I must say, I don't like this community
[19:40:00] rah: it's not at all helpful
[19:40:00] rah: or human
[19:40:00] rah: and seems to be very concerned about status
[19:40:00] rah: for some unknown reason
[19:40:00] Beirdo: bah
[19:40:00] ** kormoc raises a eyebrow **
[19:40:00] Beirdo: you don't want to be helped
[19:40:00] Beirdo: you want to be spoonfed
[19:40:00] rah: no, I don't want to be spoonfed
[19:40:00] kormoc: wow, just cause one of the most busy people here can't hold your hand, you're gonna whine?
[19:40:00] rah: what I'd love is some intelligent answers
[19:41:00] kormoc: did you research it at all?
[19:41:00] rah: ummmm
[19:41:00] Beirdo: the intelligent answers is work google and find out for yourself
[19:41:00] rah: this *is* my research
[19:41:00] kormoc: did you read the guide, which tells you what's out there?
[19:41:00] kormoc: no, this is asking us to research for you.
[19:41:00] kormoc: there's a difference
[19:41:00] rah: kormoc: which guide?
[19:41:00] rah: no, it isn't
[19:41:00] kormoc: the uk myth dvb one.
[19:41:00] rah: I originally came in here to ask about the database tables
[19:42:00] rah: after I'd searched google
[19:42:00] rah: and read the docs
[19:42:00] kormoc: read the source?
[19:42:00] rah: nobody has still bothered to give me any useful information
[19:42:00] ** GreyFoxx giggles as he guts more and more of mythgame **
[19:42:00] kormoc: run a DESCRIBE on the table?
[19:42:00] rah: kormoc: no
[19:42:00] rah: kormoc: on which table?
[19:42:00] Beirdo: go, GreyFoxx  :)
[19:42:00] GreyFoxx: if anything this is teaching me more about the myth internals
[19:42:00] kormoc: the one you were intrested in?
[19:43:00] CyberKnet: rah: install phpmyadmin
[19:43:00] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: got rid of most of the old config dialogs, now it's a much more generic frontend to the games and emulators
[19:43:00] GreyFoxx: http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/mythgame/mythgame6.jpg
[19:43:00] rah: kormoc: the issue is
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[19:43:00] Beirdo: yeah, I'm looking forward to it, GreyFoxx
[19:43:00] rah: kormoc: WHICH TABLE SHOULD I BE INTERESTED IN?
[19:43:00] GreyFoxx: much more to go
[19:43:00] Beirdo: WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?
[19:43:00] rah: kormoc: IF I'M TRYING TO MATCH UP XMLTV DATA
[19:43:00] Beirdo: stop shouting
[19:43:00] rah: kormoc: do you understand?
[19:43:00] rah: kormoc: I asked that a few days ago
[19:44:00] rah: kormoc: and all I've gotten is "read the source"
[19:44:00] kormoc: rah, so describe the tables one by one till you find the right one.
[19:44:00] Beirdo: we aren't here to be your personal servants
[19:44:00] kormoc: how should I know what table you want? I just use myth and I don't even use xmltv
[19:44:00] rah: kormoc: there are no comments on the tables
[19:44:00] kormoc: so why should you expect me to know?
[19:44:00] rah: kormoc: describing them is of no help
[19:44:00] CyberKnet: rah: stop and think for a minute that maybe we dont USE dvb. We do not have your problem.
[19:44:00] rah: CyberKnet: who's "we"/
[19:44:00] rah: ?
[19:44:00] kormoc: you're gonna have to read the database fields and do some independant thinking
[19:44:00] CyberKnet: we is anyone in this channel who has said "find a guide"
[19:45:00] CyberKnet: we includes me.
[19:45:00] brejc8: rah: What are you trying to do? Connect the xmltv guide to your channels?
[19:45:00] CyberKnet: we includes Beirdo, we includes kormoc, we includes Chutt
[19:45:00] Beirdo: rah: "we" is the people you are currently bitching at
[19:45:00] Beirdo: you have a guide to read.
[19:45:00] Beirdo: read it
[19:45:00] CyberKnet: "we" are the people you are griping at for not helping you. "we" are the people you want to help you.
[19:46:00] Beirdo: until you find someone with UK guide experience, you will get no more help than that
[19:46:00] CyberKnet: "we" are the people who are pissed off at you because you can't do a lick of independant thinking.
[19:46:00] rah: Beirdo: I thought I was to welcome myself to your ignore list?
[19:46:00] rah: Beirdo: I have read the guide
[19:46:00] Beirdo: we can't help you, help yourself
[19:46:00] rah: brejc8: I'm trying to express my incredulance toward the behaviour in this community
[19:46:00] Beirdo: eat me
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[19:47:00] rah: I've already done what I need to do with mythtv
[19:47:00] rah: I believe
[19:47:00] rah: thanks to brejc8
[19:47:00] kormoc: yeah, I'm sorry I'm not a uk xmltv expert
[19:47:00] kormoc: I'll just go quit my job and move to the uk to do your bidding, sounds good?
[19:47:00] rah: kormoc: I didn't ask you any uk xmltv questions
[19:48:00] kormoc: you've been asking the channel all day bout them
[19:48:00] rah: in fact, I don't believe I asked you anything../
[19:48:00] rah: kormoc: you are not the channel
[19:48:00] kormoc: ahh
[19:48:00] kormoc: so I guess when you ask the channel, you don't want anyone to answer?
[19:48:00] ChanServ sets mode +o Beirdo
[19:49:00] rah: kormoc: I want someone who can answer to answer
[19:49:00] rah: seems reasonable to me..
[19:49:00] kormoc: telling you that very few people know the answer and you're gonna have to look for yourself isn't good enough answer for you?
[19:49:00] Beirdo sets mode +r
[19:49:00] Beirdo: muh?
[19:49:00] rah: kormoc: nobody told me that
[19:49:00] Beirdo: that's not what I said
[19:49:00] kormoc: registered users only?
[19:50:00] Beirdo sets mode -r
[19:50:00] Beirdo: stupid thing
[19:50:00] kormoc: rah, what do you think the 'read the guide' was?
[19:50:00] rah: kormoc: erm..
[19:50:00] Beirdo sets mode +q rah!*@*
[19:50:00] Beirdo: ahhh
[19:50:00] ** kormoc laughs. **
[19:50:00] Beirdo: rah: if you can't be civil, please shut it
[19:51:00] Beirdo sets mode -q rah!*@*
[19:51:00] kormoc: +q as a channel mode? never thought that existed
[19:51:00] Beirdo: it's one off banning.
[19:51:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: I also hadn't seen that extension.
[19:51:00] Beirdo sets mode -o Beirdo
[19:52:00] brejc8: great. He moved to the dev room
[19:52:00] Beirdo: he was there anyways
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[19:53:00] CyberKnet: the dev room will tire of him quickly.
[19:53:00] brejc8: heh
[19:53:00] CyberKnet: Chutt has not been known to long tolerate idiots other than myself.
[19:53:00] CyberKnet: and I'm not sure why he's tolerated me thus far =)
[19:53:00] CyberKnet: maybe because I stay out of the dev room =)
[19:54:00] Beirdo: or at least stay silent while there :)
[19:55:00] brejc8: Upgraded to Fedora 4 on the tv box over the weekend and just found out the atrpms repository is not yet set up properly for FC4.
[19:56:00] brejc8: Anyone remember how long it was last time from the date of release till atrpms was full?
[19:56:00] Beirdo: that musta caused some swearing
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[19:56:00] brejc8: Its fine. I compile from source but needee to get some dev rpms. Just dont have xmltv installed and I have 2 weeks of gude left. So hopefuly less than 2 weeks
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[19:59:00] CyberKnet: I only go into the dev room when I know someone is going in there to tell the "Devs" about mythtv sucking.
[19:59:00] brejc8: What happens?
[19:59:00] brejc8: Instant kick or flaming first?
[19:59:00] CyberKnet: last time a flamefest.
[20:00:00] CyberKnet: I just sit quietly and eat popcorn.
[20:00:00] CyberKnet: ;)
[20:01:00] GeckoFiend: yeah I don't get those folks.. if you don't like it don't use it... it's not like they pay for it
[20:01:00] CyberKnet: GeckoFiend: true that. You guys put a ton of hard work into Myth, and the rest of us appreciate it.
[20:01:00] brejc8: I like going to hospitals to tell new mothers that their babies are ugly.
[20:01:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: you're just a freak =)
[20:02:00] brejc8: Yeah but.... no I have nothing further to say
[20:02:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[20:02:00] CyberKnet: heh
[20:03:00] brejc8: Yesterday our office with 4 days till tapeout worked for hours listening to Bananaphone on repeat.
[20:03:00] brejc8: There might be some sideeffects
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[20:05:00] CyberKnet: three days till tapeout
[20:05:00] CyberKnet: hows your asynchronous chip looking?
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[20:07:00] brejc8: We run out of pins. Spent today removing all unnecessary ones. Just simulating now. Layout tommorow (takes 8 hours so maybe play a little croquet in the sun). and Final testing on Thurs.
[20:08:00] Beirdo: fun
[20:08:00] Beirdo: and a Santana concert (for me) on Friday
[20:08:00] rah: brejc8: what chip is this?
[20:09:00] brejc8: I wont say its name today as I might get slapped for dissing it.
[20:09:00] Beirdo: BEOTCH
[20:09:00] Beirdo: heh
[20:10:00] rah: brejc8: what's it about?
[20:10:00] rah: brejc8: I'm interested in designing my own hardware
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[20:10:00] kormoc: it's known as skynet.
[20:10:00] rah: specifically, audio hardware
[20:10:00] rah: kormoc: shit goddamn
[20:11:00] rah: brejc8: whatever you do, don't put it in control of your nukes
[20:11:00] rah: I saw a film about that
[20:11:00] kormoc: such language!
[20:11:00] rah: O_o
[20:11:00] ** rah -> censor (true); **
[20:11:00] brejc8: Just deciding what to put on the top level mask ala: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/calr4400.html
[20:12:00] kormoc: hehe
[20:12:00] rah: e
[20:12:00] rah: heh
[20:12:00] kormoc: put kormoc waz here.
[20:13:00] kormoc: and then sue me if you don't make any money off of the procs
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[20:13:00] kormoc: wait a sec, why do I wanna do that again? :P
[20:14:00] brejc8: I was thinking drawing a miniature penis then take pride in having the smallest dick in the world
[20:14:00] brejc8: 0.25 micron long
[20:14:00] rah: rofl
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[20:17:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: or not draw it. and still be proud =)
[20:18:00] brejc8: I was more thinking giving it to people and then telling them they have one.
[20:20:00] rah: brejc8: what endeavour is this chip for?
[20:21:00] rah: brejc8: do you work for a company?
[20:21:00] brejc8: Open source MIPS. and Uni of Man
[20:21:00] rah: ah
[20:21:00] rah: I see
[20:21:00] rah: excellent stuff
[20:22:00] rah: that's on opencores.org isn't it?
[20:22:00] rah: I'm sure I came across it
[20:22:00] brejc8: There are a couple. I own the yellow star one and the project Im working on is the asynchronous one.
[20:23:00] rah: cool
[20:24:00] ** CyberKnet waits for his sound card to say "Rah!" **
[20:25:00] rah: O_o
[20:26:00] Beirdo: Yar!
[20:27:00] CyberKnet: well, you said you were going to make audio hardware.
[20:27:00] CyberKnet: It seemed only natural that you would call it Rah Sound
[20:27:00] CyberKnet: ;)
[20:27:00] rah: heh
[20:27:00] rah: I see
[20:28:00] rah: well, it was an idea
[20:28:00] CyberKnet: "I have a Rah sound in my computer."
[20:28:00] rah: but the Free tools are not up to scratch, apparently
[20:28:00] CyberKnet: I'm sure they could use some help getting them up to scratch =)
[20:28:00] rah: indeed
[20:29:00] rah: lots of other things could do with help too :(
[20:29:00] brejc8: "Electric" is used at Sun and it is open source.
[20:29:00] rah: brejc8: but you need lots of other things as well, no?
[20:29:00] rah: can I get from a chip design to a fab using entirely free software?
[20:29:00] brejc8: Well the other stuff like place and route can be done when you borrow the tools from someone else for a day
[20:30:00] rah: mmm
[20:30:00] rah: I wouldn't want to use proprietary software to do it
[20:31:00] brejc8: The production cost is the one that hurts. 1 mil per mask. (10–20 masks needed) then 8000 per 6 inch plater (euro)
[20:31:00] rah: 1 million euros?
[20:31:00] brejc8: yeah per mask
[20:31:00] rah: is there no way to produce a chip cheaper?
[20:32:00] brejc8: FPGA
[20:32:00] rah: I knew you were going to say that :)
[20:32:00] ** rah hmms **
[20:32:00] brejc8: old ASIC processes are cheaper but no one does them any more
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[20:33:00] rah: I get the feeling I'd need to do another degree to get anywhere with this :/
[20:34:00] ** rah kicks himself for getting a 2:2 **
[20:35:00] ** Beirdo cues Metallica – Ride the Lightning **
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[20:36:00] Beirdo: gotta drown out the world
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[20:37:00] brejc8: Thats the only reason I dont mind working late. Playing music not on earphones.
[20:37:00] Beirdo: I still use the headphones
[20:37:00] Beirdo: better quality than the craptacular laptop speakers
[20:38:00] brejc8: Yeah but you can dance (prance) around without them
[20:38:00] Beirdo: hehe
[20:38:00] ** Beirdo headbangs a bit **
[20:38:00] Beirdo: works better with hair :)
[20:38:00] brejc8: Wrong time of the year to have long hair
[20:38:00] kormoc: brejc8, wireless headphones?
[20:38:00] LostSole: I get this output (see http://pastebin.ca/15357) when I try and build a mythtv 0.18 package on Ubuntu (on an AMD64). Any suggestions about how to go about fixing this?
[20:38:00] Beirdo: I started shaving it off over a year ago
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[20:41:00] rah: ok, I have a question
[20:42:00] rah: answers along the lines of "I don't know" are strongly encouraged
[20:42:00] brejc8: LostSole: Did you configure it to be AMD64?
[20:42:00] laga: i don't know.
[20:42:00] brejc8: LostSole: Looks like it is useing the 32bit register set
[20:42:00] rah: I have loaded some channel information into the database
[20:42:00] rah: the channels table has its xmltv ids set
[20:43:00] rah: unfortunately, on the on-screen EPG, it is not displaying correct program data
[20:43:00] LostSole: brejc8: when I did the ./configure, it picked up AMD64...
[20:43:00] D-side: LostSole: imagine seeing you here. :)
[20:43:00] rah: it is displaying no data for some channels
[20:44:00] rah: but on switching to them, displays another channel
[20:44:00] rah: number
[20:44:00] rah: eg, 1031
[20:44:00] rah: and the correct EPG information
[20:44:00] LostSole: D-side: heh. just checking all sources. :)
[20:44:00] rah: is anybody aware of what is going on?
[20:45:00] D-side: LostSole: i was just about to stop being afk and tell you to come here. :)
[20:46:00] Beirdo: ahhhh, For Whom The Bell Tolls... nice crunchy guitar.
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[20:47:00] laga: heh
[20:47:00] CyberKnet: rah: I don't know.
[20:47:00] ** xris pounds stupid project complexity to a pulp with some kind of large blunt object.. maybe a bowling pin. **
[20:47:00] laga: after 2 weeks without mythfrontend, i'm currently catching up on my recordings.lots of stuff
[20:47:00] LostSole: D-side: yup. Don't know if the -dev channel would be any more help, but I doubt it.
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[20:48:00] rah: does anybody know what the relationship between the channel, dvb_channel and dvb_pids tables is?
[20:49:00] Beirdo: sorry, you'd have to look in the source
[20:49:00] Beirdo: grep for the query that uses em
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[20:49:00] Beirdo: that stuff isn't documented that I know of, you'll have to get used to reading source
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[20:51:00] rah: Beirdo: won't any developers know?
[20:51:00] CyberKnet: rah: they might, but they might not want to spend the time explaining it to you.
[20:51:00] CyberKnet: rah: i'm not saying they wont want to, I'm just saying they might not want to.
[20:51:00] Beirdo: maybe, but don't necessarily have time. look for yourself, you'll find out way sooner
[20:51:00] rah: CyberKnet: isn't that a little selfish?
[20:51:00] CyberKnet: rah: no
[20:51:00] rah: Beirdo: I doubt it
[20:52:00] Chutt: i certainly don't want to help you anymore.
[20:52:00] Beirdo: isn't asking people to explain it while they are at work a little selfish?
[20:52:00] CyberKnet: rah: is it selfish for you to want them to stop developing myth to explain tables to you, and make everyone wait for features longer.
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[20:52:00] Beirdo: most of the developers are in North America
[20:52:00] rah: CyberKnet: no
[20:52:00] Beirdo: even if they wanted to, they likely don't have time
[20:52:00] laga: is it possible to use mythtranscode with openmosix, i. e. migrating the process to a different host?
[20:52:00] Beirdo: laga: sounds like an experiment for an interested laga :)
[20:52:00] rah: CyberKnet: it's selfish for them to refuse a request for information
[20:52:00] Chutt: laga, you can already transcode on different hosts, if you've got stuff on a shared drive
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[20:53:00] Chutt: rah, yes, i owe you support, since you've paid so much for it.
[20:53:00] laga: Chutt: umm, ok. i've been stupid ;)
[20:53:00] Beirdo: heh.
[20:53:00] Beirdo: that attitude will NOT inspire people to help you, rah
[20:53:00] rah: Chutt: I'm not talking about support
[20:53:00] laga: Beirdo: for an bored and interested laga, but i'm unfortunately not bored ATM ;)
[20:53:00] Chutt: yes you are
[20:53:00] rah: Chutt: I'm talking about technical information
[20:53:00] Chutt: no, you're not
[20:53:00] Chutt: you've been asking for support
[20:53:00] rah: O_o
[20:53:00] rah: whatever..
[20:53:00] Beirdo: laga: good point, dude
[20:54:00] laga: rah: i know at least 5 people in germany who use DVB with (m)any problems, it can't be that hard.
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[20:54:00] rah: Chutt: I'll ask a technical question, we'll see
[20:54:00] laga: but it's quite sad that this is already supported in mythtv – now i got to find another reason to try out openmosix :/
[20:54:00] Chutt: naw, you won't
[20:54:00] Dibblah: rah: All working now?
[20:55:00] ** laga curses the darn developers :> **
[20:55:00] Beirdo: rah: I think you used up your quota of goodwill with Chutt
[20:55:00] Chutt: pretty much
[20:55:00] Dibblah: Obviously not. Yay.
[20:55:00] rah: Dibblah: no
[20:56:00] rah: Beirdo: O_o
[20:56:00] Beirdo: am I the only one that finds old Metallica strangely relaxing?
[20:56:00] ** rah mumbles something about no goodwill at all **
[20:56:00] Dibblah: DVB-t works fine for me!
[20:56:00] laga: Beirdo: dunno if it's relaxing, but it rocks.
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[20:56:00] kormoc: Beirdo, at times, no
[20:56:00] Dibblah: rah: Yeah. That's going to help.
[20:56:00] Chutt: dibblah, you can read, and you're willing to look to find stuff :p
[20:56:00] rah: Dibblah: could you send me the contents of your channels, dvb_pids and dvb_channels tables?
[20:57:00] Beirdo: this stuff is almost putting me to sleep, how screwed up is that?
[20:57:00] laga: Beirdo: i find death metal to be relaxing. it's always good to know that there are people who are more pissed off then oneself.
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[20:57:00] Dibblah: rah: They wouldn't help you – they mostly refer to my Sky setup.
[20:57:00] Beirdo: as a teen I'd fall asleep with GNR blasting at almost full volume
[20:57:00] Dibblah: What are you looking for in them?
[20:57:00] Beirdo: I guess I'm odd
[20:57:00] laga: Beirdo: heh
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[20:57:00] rah: Dibblah: what's stored in them
[20:58:00] Beirdo: be waking up people 3 houses away, and it put me to sleep
[20:58:00] laga: Beirdo: could be related to drinking :>
[20:58:00] Beirdo: nah
[20:58:00] laga: umm, crack?
[20:58:00] Beirdo: didn't start drinking until I was 22
[20:58:00] Beirdo: nope
[20:58:00] laga: you're really odd then ;)
[20:58:00] Dibblah: rah: channels: Channel tuning details. No DVB specifics.
[20:58:00] Beirdo: :)
[20:59:00] rah: Dibblah: what do you mean by a "channel"?
[20:59:00] Beirdo: guh!?
[20:59:00] Dibblah: rah: I'm on CVS, so my DB structure is a little different.
[21:00:00] laga: Beirdo: i'm currently exploring my mp3 collection – i haven't been able to use it for many weeks because it was on a hdd on my desk. music rocks, i dont know how i survived without my collection
[21:00:00] rah: Dibblah: I'm on CVS as well
[21:00:00] Dibblah: rah: Standard definition of channel. Something with a minimum of 1 video and 1 audio stream.
[21:00:00] ** laga puts some graveworm into mythmusic **
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[21:00:00] Beirdo: I don't use mythmusic much
[21:00:00] Dibblah: In which case, you don't have any of the other two tables you mentioned.
[21:00:00] Dibblah: Unless you've been hacking about.
[21:00:00] rah: Dibblah: what is stored in the "channels" table?
[21:00:00] Beirdo: it's there, but don't use it much
[21:01:00] Dibblah: It's all autoconfigured.
[21:01:00] Beirdo: usually watching the backlog of TV
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[21:01:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:01:00] rah: <Dibblah> rah: channels: Channel tuning details. No DVB specifics.
[21:02:00] rah: Dibblah: is that the channels table, or the dvb_channels table?
[21:02:00] laga: Beirdo: i've just notized that it's quite slow with 35gb of music. but i tend to change computers often and it's good to have a computer hooked up to the stereo that can play all of my music ;)
[21:02:00] Dibblah: Okay. I looked. I lied. There are some specifics in channels.
[21:02:00] laga: noticed*
[21:02:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:02:00] Dibblah: However, dvb_channels _should not exist_ with CVS.
[21:02:00] Chutt: depends on when you updated, i don't think it was ever removed
[21:02:00] ** Beirdo needs to fight the urge to sleep **
[21:02:00] rah: is there code to drop it?
[21:03:00] Christopher: Any resident gentoo expert here for the ivtv driver?
[21:03:00] ** Beirdo laugs **
[21:03:00] Beirdo: strike one, strike two :)
[21:03:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:03:00] Dibblah: rah: Try
[21:03:00] Dibblah: UPDATE channel SET useonairguide=1;
[21:03:00] Beirdo: Christopher: I'm sure someone can help
[21:03:00] Dibblah: Argh. Or maybe not.
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[21:04:00] rah: Dibblah: why, what will that do?
[21:04:00] rah: precisely?
[21:04:00] Dibblah: No, maybe that'll work.
[21:04:00] Chutt: dibblah, that's only if he compiled that in
[21:04:00] Christopher: I have the Hauppauge 500MCE. I have the ivtv 0.3.6p driver, but when I compile it, make complains with
[21:04:00] Christopher: *** Warning: "request_firmware" [/home/chris/ground.zero/rings/merchant.software/hauppauge/ivtv-0.3.6p/driver/cx 25840.ko] undefined!
[21:04:00] Dibblah: Yes. Which isn't default, is it... Bugger.
[21:04:00] Christopher: I already put the roms in /lib/modules/
[21:05:00] Beirdo: no idea, dude
[21:05:00] ** rah reconfigures **
[21:05:00] Dibblah: rah: Rerun configure adding:
[21:05:00] Dibblah: ./configure --enable-dvb-eit --enable-dvb
[21:05:00] rah: I have
[21:05:00] Dibblah: made and made install?
[21:05:00] rah: doing so now
[21:06:00] Dibblah: Right. Then do the update and robert should be your mother's brother.
[21:06:00] Dibblah: And... Try and be less abrasive!
[21:07:00] rah: will do
[21:07:00] rah: now
[21:08:00] rah: assuming I want to keep using the xmltv data
[21:08:00] rah: why would it be the case that the on-screen EPG is doing extraordinary things?
[21:08:00] rah: such as displaying no EPG data for channels that have such data
[21:09:00] rah: and suddenly displaying the right data but the wrong channel number when changing
[21:09:00] rah: is it likely to be a bug?
[21:09:00] rah: or a database problem?
[21:10:00] Beirdo: or a user cockup?
[21:10:00] Christopher: Is anybody here using the Hauppauge 500MCE? (which is the same as the 150MCE)
[21:10:00] rah: or that
[21:10:00] kormoc: ChanServ, it's not really the same.
[21:10:00] ** rah tries very, very, very hard not to get angry **
[21:10:00] xris: Christopher: not even the 150mce is the same as the 150mce (there are about half a dozen variants)
[21:10:00] kormoc: *Christopher
[21:10:00] D-side: Christopher: i know of someone who does.
[21:10:00] rah: this is the one question that is burning me
[21:10:00] rah: why is it doing this?
[21:10:00] rah: where is the channel information stored?
[21:11:00] rah: where is the EPG information stored?
[21:11:00] rah: how does the on-screen EPG refer to channels?
[21:11:00] xris: rah: atsc?
[21:11:00] Christopher: D-side: Would you guess they did it using the 2.6.11.11 kernel?
[21:11:00] rah: why is it getting mixed up
[21:11:00] rah: xris: dvb-t
[21:12:00] xris: rah: you might be best off waiting for someone else in the UK to show up.
[21:12:00] rah: xris: Dibblah is in the UK
[21:12:00] ** xris hasn't been paying very good attention. heh. **
[21:13:00] xris: anyway, the dvb channel info is scattered between several different tables.
[21:13:00] Chutt: it's all in channel nowadays
[21:13:00] Chutt: well, most of it
[21:15:00] xris: Chutt: .18.1 vs cvs? or even in .18.1?
[21:15:00] Chutt: thought it was in .18 as well
[21:16:00] rah: Chutt: does the serviceid field in the channels table refer to data in another table?
[21:16:00] Dibblah: It's been there since .18.
[21:17:00] Dibblah: Nope.
[21:17:00] Chutt: i dunno, does it?
[21:17:00] rah: wow
[21:17:00] rah: Chutt: that was helpful
[21:17:00] rah: thank you
[21:17:00] Dibblah: OK. Sorry – Had to disappear temporarily.
[21:17:00] Chutt: you're welcome.
[21:17:00] Chutt: there's this tool called 'grep' that you might want to learn about
[21:17:00] Chutt: it can tell you all sorts of stuff
[21:17:00] rah: indeed it can
[21:18:00] Dibblah: Chutt doesn't use DVB, as far as I know. So asking him is rather silly.
[21:18:00] Chutt: no shit it's rather silly
[21:18:00] Chutt: but the moron persists in doing so
[21:18:00] rah: rah@flax:/usr/local/src/mythtv$ find -type f -name "*.cpp" -exec grep -Hi channels {} \;
[21:18:00] rah: not much help, unfortunately
[21:18:00] Chutt: why would you grep for 'channels' when you just asked what the serviceid field does?
[21:18:00] Dibblah: Hey, you ventured into -users :) (Much as we love having you here)
[21:19:00] rah: Chutt: because I wasn't looking for the serviceid field when I did that grep
[21:19:00] Chutt: um
[21:19:00] Chutt: yeah, that's good reasoning
[21:19:00] rah: Chutt: that was me putting down your being condescending
[21:20:00] Dibblah: rah: DVB guide data is collected in real-time when you're tuned to (watching or recording) a multiplex.
[21:20:00] rah: Chutt: does that clear it up?
[21:20:00] Chutt: not really
[21:20:00] Chutt: since it does show that you don't really know how to use grep
[21:20:00] rah: O_o
[21:20:00] rah: dude
[21:20:00] Chutt: but hey, whatever floats your boat
[21:20:00] rah: now you're being really condescending
[21:20:00] Dibblah: Everyone is just getting waaay too heated over this.
[21:20:00] rah: you're talking to someone who's written his own regex library
[21:21:00] Beirdo: good for you
[21:21:00] Chutt: wow, you must be smart
[21:21:00] rah: I frickin know how to use grep
[21:21:00] rah: I'm not smart
[21:21:00] rah: just don't be condescending
[21:21:00] Beirdo: hey, you said it, not us
[21:21:00] Chutt: then try and figure things out before asking questions
[21:21:00] rah: Chutt: I do
[21:21:00] Chutt: how many times did i have to tell you to read that dvb in the uk guide?
[21:21:00] rah: Chutt: I don't understand why you think I don't
[21:21:00] Chutt: 3? 4?
[21:22:00] rah: Chutt: I have read it
[21:22:00] Chutt: because you wouldn't be asking the questions you are if you did
[21:22:00] rah: Chutt: how many times do I have to tell you that?
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[21:22:00] rah: O_o
[21:22:00] rah: erm..
[21:22:00] Beirdo: OK, maybe comprehending it would be the next step?
[21:22:00] JohnnyQuest: dude, chill out, all he wants is a lil help, its not like anyone else is here asking for help
[21:22:00] Beirdo: true
[21:22:00] Dibblah: That guide is somewhat outdated, unfortunately. I'd really like to not see the database mentioned so heavily at all.
[21:22:00] JohnnyQuest: you dont have to help him if you dont want to
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[21:22:00] kormoc: I would like help in making money fast, anyone wanna help out? :P
[21:23:00] Chutt: yeah, but it still gets most of the point across
[21:23:00] ** Beirdo waits for Dibblah to rewrite it :) **
[21:23:00] rah: Then I added the dvb_channel and dvb_pids entries exactly as shown in the BBC1 example above.
[21:23:00] JohnnyQuest: kormoc, go sell drugs
[21:23:00] Chutt: it doesn't explain the eit stuff, but...
[21:23:00] rah: (from Chutt's beloved uk dvb guide)
[21:23:00] Chutt: that's not really stable, anyway =)
[21:23:00] kormoc: JohnnyQuest, oh crap, that's a sucky way, ahh well
[21:23:00] JohnnyQuest: but its making money fast
[21:23:00] Dibblah: I've been using it fulltime since it entered CVS... What do you mean not stable? What haven't I been hit with?
[21:24:00] Chutt: dibblah, there've been a few threads about it on the dev list
[21:24:00] Dibblah: Only things I've seen have been problems with specific country guide data...
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[21:25:00] Dibblah: But since PVRs are actually for sale using the guide natively, it's not so bad in the UK.
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[21:25:00] Chutt: ah
[21:26:00] Dibblah: And as long as you have at least one regular recording on each multiplex :)
[21:27:00] Dibblah: rah: I'm pretty sure those are ignored by current CVS. The tables will be deleted in future / have been deleted already?
[21:27:00] ** rah restrains himself **
[21:27:00] Dibblah: Hence why you use channel scan and EIT guide.
[21:27:00] rah: Dibblah: I *(&£$(%*%$£^%$ know
[21:27:00] Dibblah: Ooooooh! Sooooorry!
[21:27:00] Beirdo: that's restraining yourself?
[21:27:00] Chutt: heh
[21:27:00] Beirdo: you need a downer, dude, too much caffeine
[21:27:00] rah: Dibblah: this is why Chutt's insistance on refering to the uk dvb guide is ^£%$&^% me off
[21:28:00] rah: I don't do caffeine
[21:28:00] Chutt: see, that's why i'm completely uninterested in helping him
[21:28:00] Dibblah: The guide is right.
[21:28:00] Beirdo: makes sense, Chutt :)
[21:28:00] rah: Dibblah: about what?
[21:28:00] Beirdo: biting the hand that's trying to feed you. stupid idea
[21:29:00] Dibblah: rah: Read Scanning for Channels – The Really Easy Way (MythTV 0.17 and Later)
[21:29:00] Dibblah: CVS is 0.18+some.
[21:29:00] rah: Dibblah: I have
[21:29:00] rah: I know
[21:29:00] Dibblah: So you shouldn't be fiddling with the database directly...
[21:29:00] Dibblah: You shouldn't need to touch it.
[21:29:00] rah: I know
[21:29:00] rah: unless...
[21:29:00] Dibblah: What, exactly, is working and not working now?
[21:30:00] Dibblah: No unless!
[21:30:00] Dibblah: No.
[21:30:00] Dibblah: Don't even think of typing it.
[21:30:00] Dibblah: There is no unless.
[21:30:00] rah: [05:23] <rah> why would it be the case that the on-screen EPG is doing extraordinary things?
[21:30:00] rah: [05:23] <rah> such as displaying no EPG data for channels that have such data
[21:30:00] rah: [05:24] <rah> and suddenly displaying the right data but the wrong channel number when changing
[21:30:00] rah: [05:24] <rah> is it likely to be a bug?
[21:30:00] rah: [05:24] <rah> or a database problem?
[21:30:00] rah: [05:25] <Beirdo> or a user cockup?
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[21:30:00] Beirdo: unless you know exactly what you are doing, leave the database alone
[21:30:00] Dibblah: This is me pulling the 'u' 'n' 'l' 'e' and 's' keys from your keyboard.
[21:30:00] Dibblah: Pluck.
[21:30:00] Dibblah: Pluck.
[21:30:00] Dibblah: Pluck.
[21:30:00] Dibblah: Pluck.
[21:31:00] Dibblah: Pluck.
[21:31:00] rah: I'm a little lost
[21:31:00] rah: how can I get EPG information into the database without editting it?
[21:31:00] Dibblah: It's pulled over the air.
[21:31:00] rah: I mean, how can I assign xmltv IDs?
[21:31:00] Dibblah: You don't need to.
[21:31:00] Dibblah: Did you do the update SQL?
[21:31:00] Chutt: unless you want to use tv_grab_uk_rt
[21:32:00] Dibblah: True.
[21:32:00] rah: I want to use tv_grab_uk_rt
[21:32:00] Chutt: which he was, earlier
[21:32:00] Chutt: not sure why, but...
[21:32:00] rah: I don't believe that guide discusses the OTA EPG, either
[21:32:00] Dibblah: Okay. Well, I wouldn't.
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[21:32:00] Dibblah: It doesn't.
[21:32:00] rah: then why are you telling me to read it?
[21:33:00] Chutt: because it tells you everything else.
[21:33:00] rah: erm
[21:33:00] ** rah boggles **
[21:33:00] rah: such as?
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[21:34:00] Dibblah: I'm suggesting that you ignore tv_grab_uk_rt. If you don't want to take that advice, you'll have to edit the xmltvid on each channel in the channels database to match the XMLTV IDs from tv_grab_uk_rt.
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[21:34:00] rah: Dibblah: I know
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[21:34:00] rah: Dibblah: that's an "unless", btw :)
[21:35:00] Dibblah: Which you can find in your ~{mythtv-user}/.mythtv/{channame}.xml
[21:35:00] rah: I've already done that
[21:35:00] Dibblah: And restarted the backend?
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[21:35:00] rah: I believe the backend wasn't running when I updated the table
[21:35:00] Dibblah: It's an unless if you're doing it the hard way and not using the OTA guide.
[21:36:00] rah: I'm doing it the hard way
[21:36:00] rah: the hard way was the only way when I started
[21:36:00] rah: and so I will continue with that way
[21:36:00] Dibblah: Besides, mythfilldatabase --manual... Allows you to enter the xmltvids for each channel.
[21:36:00] garrick: hi all, new mythtv user here... everything is up and running nicely (huge props to the coders)
[21:36:00] Dibblah: As Chutt said what feels like days ago.
[21:37:00] rah: not according to Chutt
[21:37:00] Chutt: scary, huh
[21:37:00] Dibblah: Chutt: No? I'm almost sure it did...
[21:37:00] Beirdo: round and around we go, and we come right back to the original thing that you were told :)
[21:37:00] garrick: what do people do about volume control? using the alsa mixer is largely useless when the volume is also controlled by the TV or stereo
[21:37:00] Chutt: dibblah, oh, it does
[21:37:00] Dibblah: So there's no unless. Still.
[21:38:00] rah: right then
[21:38:00] rah: SHOULD I
[21:38:00] Beirdo: "and then?"
[21:38:00] Beirdo: "and then?"
[21:38:00] rah: follow the uk myth dvb guide as Chutt said
[21:38:00] Dibblah: Oh dear. Just pressing enter accepts defaults in mythfilldatabase --manual.
[21:38:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:38:00] brejc8: garrick: I leave the volume at around 90% which matches the volume from my vcr andf then just use the tv volume to go up and down
[21:38:00] Chutt: rah, you _should_ just go use vdr.
[21:38:00] rah: WHEN DOESN'T MENTION --MANUAL
[21:38:00] Dibblah: rah: You Already Have.
[21:38:00] Chutt: or mce
[21:38:00] rah: or
[21:38:00] rah: do what Chutt said
[21:38:00] CyberKnet: hah!
[21:38:00] Beirdo: or beyondtv...
[21:39:00] rah: AND USE --MANUAL
[21:39:00] rah: ?
[21:39:00] CyberKnet: or freevo
[21:39:00] Beirdo: or something less complicated.
[21:39:00] CyberKnet: go use freevo =)
[21:39:00] Chutt: i don't think beyondtv does dvb
[21:39:00] garrick: brejc8: do you use an IR remote? Just configure the remote to control the TV/stereo?
[21:39:00] Beirdo: oh, heh, good point, Chutt
[21:39:00] rah: I don't even want a fricken vdr
[21:39:00] Beirdo: minor details
[21:39:00] rah: I just want to watch TV
[21:39:00] CyberKnet: Yes, but at least then its not us he is bitching at for supposedly not working properly. =)
[21:39:00] kormoc: then use tvtime?
[21:39:00] brejc8: garrick: I use the tv remote and the IR keyboard. Nice to flip between Mythtv and the set top box
[21:39:00] Chutt: tvtime does dvb?
[21:40:00] rah: kormoc: what's that?
[21:40:00] Dibblah: rah: Just go through --manual
[21:40:00] Dibblah: Chutt: No.
[21:40:00] Chutt: i didn't think so
[21:40:00] Beirdo: it's "use google"
[21:40:00] kormoc: rah, it's a program to just watch tv.
[21:40:00] rah: Dibblah: and do what?
[21:40:00] CyberKnet: use anything other than MythTV.
[21:40:00] kormoc: xawtv
[21:40:00] kormoc: mplayer
[21:40:00] ** Beirdo takes a laxative in an effort to give a shit aobut this "problem" **
[21:40:00] rah: kormoc: I'd like an EPG
[21:40:00] CyberKnet: MCE would be a good choice.
[21:40:00] Rince: evening
[21:40:00] Dibblah: rah: And just change the xmltvid for each channel you have to match the ids from RT.
[21:40:00] Beirdo: Ahoy, Rince
[21:40:00] garrick: brejc8: I guess that's what I'm doing now... but I was hoping to get down to 1 remote
[21:40:00] Rince: has anyone here tried to compile 0.18.1 on AMD64?
[21:41:00] ** rah BANGS HIS FUCKING HEAD AGAINST A WALL **
[21:41:00] Beirdo: not me
[21:41:00] rah: Dibblah: HOW?!
[21:41:00] Rince: too bad
[21:41:00] Dibblah: Press enter until it asks you for the xmltvid.
[21:41:00] rah: RIGHT
[21:41:00] rah: THANK YOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[21:41:00] brejc8: garrick: get one of those 4 in one remotes which is programmable. Then just program all the butons from your other remotes
[21:41:00] rah: fucking HELL
[21:41:00] Beirdo: then (just guessing) type it in
[21:41:00] Dibblah: Then enter it exactly as it appears in your RT setup.
[21:42:00] rah: yes, I get the idea
[21:42:00] rah: enter the xmltv id
[21:42:00] Dibblah: Good.
[21:42:00] garrick: brejc8: right, thanks
[21:42:00] rah: which is the xmltv id
[21:42:00] rah: as printed everywhere
[21:42:00] rah: as the xmltv id
[21:42:00] rah: which is the smae
[21:42:00] rah: and needs to be the same when you copy
[21:42:00] CyberKnet: Dibblah: demands help in one breath, insults you with the next. Now that's a user.
[21:42:00] Chutt: 'course, you could just do the same thing through the channel editor ui, if you're editing existing channels
[21:42:00] rah: I understand
[21:42:00] rah: Chutt: FOR FUCK'S SAKE
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[21:42:00] Beirdo: Cybernet s/user/luser/
[21:42:00] rah: Chutt: WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT BEFORE
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[21:43:00] Dibblah: Yup. You could.
[21:43:00] Chutt: because you're a moron?
[21:43:00] ** rah gets out an uzi **
[21:43:00] CyberKnet: heh
[21:43:00] ** Beirdo laughs **
[21:43:00] Chutt: and i didn't feel like being helpful?
[21:43:00] ** rah shoots **
[21:43:00] rah: ARGH
[21:43:00] rah: ARGH
[21:43:00] rah: ARGH
[21:43:00] ** rah calms down **
[21:43:00] rah: I suspect
[21:43:00] Chutt: and you could have done what you wanted with what i told you several days ago?
[21:43:00] Beirdo: now go toddle off and fix yer setup and let us have some peace :)
[21:43:00] rah: that this will all be of no help to me
[21:43:00] Dibblah: Hmmm... I'd completely forgotten about the GUI option :)
[21:43:00] Dibblah: rah: Uhhh... What?
[21:43:00] rah: beavis: I suspect my setup is fine
[21:44:00] rah: s/beavis/Beirdo/
[21:44:00] Dibblah: Great! Well, what are we talking about, then?
[21:44:00] rah: [05:45] <rah> [05:23] <rah> why would it be the case that the on-screen EPG is doing extraordinary things?
[21:44:00] rah: [05:45] <rah> [05:23] <rah> such as displaying no EPG data for channels that have such data
[21:44:00] rah: [05:45] <rah> [05:24] <rah> and suddenly displaying the right data but the wrong channel number when changing
[21:44:00] rah: [05:45] <rah> [05:24] <rah> is it likely to be a bug?
[21:44:00] rah: [05:45] <rah> [05:24] <rah> or a database problem?
[21:44:00] rah: [05:45] <rah> [05:25] <Beirdo> or a user cockup?
[21:44:00] CyberKnet: shall we all avail ourselves of our suspicions?
[21:44:00] CyberKnet: =)
[21:44:00] ** rah wonders how many times he will have to paste that **
[21:44:00] Beirdo: will you stop flooding that back into the channel
[21:44:00] ** Beirdo slaps rah with a trout **
[21:45:00] Dibblah: rah: Sounds like you have multiple channels with the same names.
[21:45:00] garrick: I'm a bit confused about tagging commercials... I keep trying to use 'skip' on recorded TV shows and it keeps telling me that they weren't tagged... how do I get mythtv to tag them?
[21:45:00] rah: Beirdo: what should I do?
[21:45:00] rah: Beirdo: instead?
[21:45:00] Beirdo: what were you just told to do?
[21:45:00] Beirdo: go put in your fucking xmltv ids
[21:45:00] Beirdo: restart your backend
[21:45:00] rah: Dibblah: do you mean multiple rows in the channels table?
[21:45:00] Beirdo: and take a look
[21:45:00] brejc8: garrick: in your default recording profile set flag commercials
[21:45:00] Dibblah: Yes, but don't get obsessive about the database, please.
[21:45:00] ** CyberKnet toys around with a dd command to fix rah's problem **
[21:46:00] Beirdo: do we need to staple that to your forehead?
[21:46:00] rah: Beirdo: I have]
[21:46:00] Dibblah: if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda?
[21:46:00] Dibblah: Oops. Wrong window.
[21:46:00] CyberKnet: hah
[21:46:00] garrick: brejc8: that's in the setup area in the frontend? or in muthtvsetup?
[21:46:00] brejc8: garrick: Although the commercial flagging will work differently depending on where you are. Here in the uk it is poor .(last time I tried)
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[21:46:00] brejc8: garrick: frontend
[21:46:00] Dibblah: It's getting better.
[21:46:00] Dibblah: Rah!!!!!
[21:46:00] Beirdo: ahhhh
[21:46:00] Beirdo: he's gone
[21:47:00] Dibblah: Finally.
[21:47:00] CyberKnet: w000
[21:47:00] ChanServ sets mode +o Beirdo
[21:47:00] garrick: brejc8: I've tried that option, it doesn't seem to do anything
[21:47:00] CyberKnet: I hope he doesn't come back.
[21:47:00] Dibblah: DD to the rescue!
[21:47:00] CyberKnet: Dibblah: lmao
[21:47:00] Beirdo: sweet
[21:47:00] garrick: brejc8: for american cable, I've tried blank frame and strict
[21:47:00] CyberKnet: Dibblah: if only the quit message was 'ping timeout:'
[21:47:00] Beirdo sets mode +b rah!*@*
[21:47:00] brejc8: garrick:You have to allow the backend to process comm flagging jobs. (mythtvsetup) Apart from that it is beyond me
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[21:48:00] Beirdo: he can come back sometime later when he's calmed down or something
[21:48:00] Beirdo sets mode -o Beirdo
[21:48:00] garrick: brejc8: should that setting also effect hitting pause on live tv?
[21:48:00] CyberKnet: I was thinking when he changed nicks or something =P
[21:48:00] Beirdo: identified user...
[21:48:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:48:00] Beirdo: I checked
[21:48:00] brejc8: garrick: CAn you manually set it during viewing or a recording? (ala press m for menu and click flag comms)
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[21:49:00] Beirdo: any objections to a 1-day ban on rah?
[21:49:00] garrick: brejc8: I haven't tried that... I'm running it headless (just the tvout and IR remote) so I don't have an m key
[21:49:00] CiberKnet: Yes!
[21:49:00] CiberKnet: I object
[21:49:00] brejc8: garrick: no live tv won't be comm flagged. Here in the UK all commercial breaks seem to be 4 mins long so I set my FF time to 4 mins. Works great
[21:50:00] CiberKnet: I think it should be at least two days.
[21:50:00] Beirdo: have a sheep, that should fix that objection
[21:50:00] CiberKnet: give him a day to go out and buy MCE
[21:50:00] CiberKnet is now known as CyberKnet
[21:50:00] garrick: brejc8: oh wait, "m" brings up the same OSD menu? (4 or 5 options layed our vertically on the left of the screen?)
[21:50:00] brejc8: garrick: the menu still works on tv out. Oh you saw
[21:51:00] garrick: brejc8: I haven't tried manually tagging them from that menu. obviously I'd like mythtv to do this for me
[21:51:00] brejc8: garrick: one of them is force comm flag. This also appears in the playback recordings meny if you press i
[21:51:00] brejc8: It will do as a part of the default recording profile
[21:52:00] garrick: brejc8: ok, I'll play with that more tonight
[21:52:00] CyberKnet: You know, it's not often that I think #mythtv-users would make for good tv, but surely that incident with rah would make for a great screenplay. Even if it's just an IRC log scrolling up the TV... =)
[21:53:00] Beirdo: and I'm not listening to him in #mythtv
[21:53:00] CyberKnet: "From the makers of MythTV comes the ground breaking new training video that is captivating the world... `Rahr!`"
[21:53:00] Beirdo: ???
[21:54:00] CyberKnet: it's sounds almost as good as The StarWars Kid
[21:54:00] CyberKnet: a video. of rar repeatedly and voluntarily smashing his head against a wall.
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[21:54:00] CyberKnet: "This is how you don't install MythTV"
[21:54:00] gr8nash: howdy all
[21:55:00] Dibblah: Umm... Oops. mythfilldatabase --manual doesn't ask for the XMLTVid, at least not if it's already defined.
[21:55:00] Dibblah: Oh well. Win some, lose some.
[21:55:00] Beirdo: ahhh, blessed silence
[21:55:00] CyberKnet: I LOVE SILENCE!
[21:55:00] brejc8: I am _SO_ proud of the Mrs. I reinstalled the box with FC4 and I didn't put the big "restart mythfronend" button on the screen she can press when it crashes or she accidentally quits it. It crashed while I was away and she manages to press up and return on the terminal window that was open to restart it. I was left speechless.
[21:56:00] gr8nash: Beirdo, did the rah anger the mythgods?
[21:56:00] gr8nash: =)
[21:56:00] Beirdo: will give him a day to cool his jets, then I'll unban him... unless I forget
[21:56:00] gr8nash: heh.. lol
[21:56:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: I taught mine to do that too. "Just press up, enter"
[21:56:00] Dibblah: One thing that bothered me was that I couldn't find out if Rah was compiled with eit enabled. I'm adding to myth{x} --version so it shows CCONFIG.
[21:56:00] Beirdo: he's given us enough of a headache today, thanks
[21:57:00] Chutt: Dibblah, sounds good.
[21:57:00] CyberKnet: Dibblah: good idea.
[21:57:00] Beirdo: Oooh, I like that idea
[21:57:00] garrick: is there a good place to file RFEs?
[21:57:00] brejc8: CyberKnet: Yeah but mine normally just stares at the only button on the screen shining with its bold "MYTH" letters and then turns to me asking me if she should pres it.
[21:58:00] GreyFoxx: garrick: on the mythtv-dev list along with the patch to implement it
[21:58:00] Beirdo: brejc8: you're training her well
[21:58:00] CyberKnet: brejc8: She should be proud of herself then =)
[21:58:00] gr8nash: gosh.. i so want to tell rah.. "wrong channel, goto mythtv-users"
[21:58:00] ** gr8nash resistes the urge **
[21:58:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:58:00] garrick: thanks all
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[21:58:00] GreyFoxx: Otherwise -users list :)
[21:58:00] Dibblah: Oh god. No.
[21:58:00] Beirdo: I think he convincingly violated the topic on two counts
[21:59:00] Beirdo: Please don't be a dumbass! Dammit!
[21:59:00] Beirdo: Engage brain before asking question
[21:59:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:59:00] D-side: how can he engage a non-existant brain?
[21:59:00] D-side: lets just be fair here.
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[21:59:00] D-side: and does the absense of #2's prerequisite necessarily nullify #1?
[21:59:00] Beirdo: only so much torture we can take
[21:59:00] D-side: heh.
[22:00:00] D-side: yeah i sat here through the whole thing and decided to shut up.
[22:00:00] CyberKnet: not a bad course of action.
[22:00:00] Chutt: but it's no fun to just sit
[22:01:00] Beirdo: true
[22:01:00] CyberKnet: And we do so love your interaction, Chutt.
[22:01:00] CyberKnet: It makes some things so much more amusing =)
[22:01:00] D-side: fun, no, but I'm sure whatever i said wouldn't help the situation.
[22:01:00] D-side: as i'm a real prick and all.
[22:01:00] Beirdo: hehe
[22:01:00] D-side: term: right?
[22:01:00] Beirdo: you said it, not me :)
[22:01:00] CyberKnet: D-side: you? a prick?
[22:02:00] CyberKnet: D-side: =)
[22:02:00] D-side: Beirdo: if term ever becomes non-idle (which isnt particularly likely), ask him. he knows me IRL. :)
[22:02:00] Beirdo: heh
[22:03:00] Beirdo: anyways, I gotta run all the way across town and back (well, subway)
[22:03:00] Beirdo: so I gotta leave early
[22:04:00] Beirdo: so I'll be back later
[22:04:00] gr8nash: later Beirdo
[22:04:00] Beirdo: Ciao
[22:04:00] D-side: Beirdo: have fun.
[22:04:00] gr8nash: damn.. ciao?
[22:04:00] gr8nash: to many acronyms
[22:05:00] D-side: you're kidding, right?
[22:05:00] gr8nash: =(
[22:05:00] D-side: no, tell me you're kidding.
[22:05:00] gr8nash: throw me a fricken bone here
[22:05:00] Dibblah: Caio. Italian, mainly.
[22:05:00] Dibblah: Ciao, even.
[22:06:00] D-side: heh.
[22:06:00] CyberKnet: It means "I'm off to bone your sister."
[22:06:00] CyberKnet: and he said it to you.
[22:06:00] D-side: while riding a scooter.
[22:06:00] gr8nash: ;)
[22:06:00] CyberKnet: backwards
[22:06:00] D-side: or at least, getting to your sisters place while riding a scooter.
[22:07:00] CyberKnet: at least that.
[22:07:00] D-side: how great would it be if he was actually doing your sister on the scooter, and drove past your workplace? that'd be great.
[22:08:00] D-side: CyberKnet: remember before when I said I had opted to shut up earlier in the day? I should have stuck with that.
[22:08:00] gr8nash: yeah.. or your mom.. though she probley costs alot more
[22:08:00] gr8nash: =)
[22:08:00] CyberKnet: D-side: hah
[22:09:00] D-side: I want to take people who don't realize "alot" isn't a word, and beat them senseless with a brick.
[22:09:00] CyberKnet: surely you didn't just throw a 'your mom' joke at D-side?
[22:09:00] D-side: I'm more offended by his command of the English language. :D
[22:09:00] CyberKnet: D-side: please add to them the ones that also think "irregardless" is a word.
[22:09:00] Dibblah: I don't like ' s scattered around like confetti.
[22:09:00] Chutt: irregardless, alot should be a word
[22:09:00] gr8nash: D-side, its not polite to spell check on IRC
[22:10:00] CyberKnet: Chutt: alot of people think that, irregardless of my position.
[22:11:00] Chutt: now i'm bored
[22:11:00] Chutt: see, that's what happens when you ban people
[22:11:00] Chutt: i get bored
[22:12:00] gr8nash: well apparently rah was only banned to the development channel =/
[22:12:00] gr8nash: something isnt quite right with that picture. =)
[22:13:00] CyberKnet: Chutt: bored enough to read slashdot?
[22:14:00] Chutt: no, not that bored
[22:14:00] Chutt: i mean, i am working right now
[22:14:00] D-side: CyberKnet: i'm with you on that one.
[22:14:00] Chutt: but it's fun to have something to do while things compile =)
[22:15:00] D-side: per having no fun after banning people, move this channel to undernet.
[22:15:00] D-side: you'll never be bored again.
[22:15:00] CyberKnet: hey, leave undernet out of this.
[22:15:00] CyberKnet: go pick on chatnet or soemthing.
[22:16:00] D-side: heh. enjoy it while you can. :)
[22:16:00] Johnny_Quest: has anyone here used gatos?
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[22:17:00] Marts: hey guys – anyone managed to get ivtv set up with Xv support?
[22:17:00] CyberKnet: D-side: well I never said anything about *enjoying* undernet...
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[22:23:00] Dibblah: Umm... _I_ was right? Sheesh.
[22:23:00] Dibblah: Sorry. I shouldn't do this but... Some people are just designed to wind the world up.
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[22:26:00] Chutt: heh
[22:26:00] CyberKnet: heh =)
[22:27:00] Chutt: i've been playing this mp3 at 48khz all day, and it's supposed to be 44.1
[22:29:00] CyberKnet: anyone here ever get asked to take an online personality test by a potential employer before an interview was set up?
[22:29:00] gr8nash: err.. im getting constant hard freezes on a new AMD 3200+.. its probley not heat 123 F.
[22:30:00] gr8nash: dmesg wasnt overly helpful:agpgart: XFree86 passes broken AGP3 flags (1f00000c). Fixed.
[22:30:00] gr8nash: agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode
[22:30:00] Marts: not online, but they are very common at interview
[22:30:00] gr8nash: CyberKnet, never had to here. =/
[22:30:00] CyberKnet: interesting.
[22:31:00] Marts: wots the job?
[22:31:00] CyberKnet: just another programming job.
[22:32:00] Marts: hehe
[22:32:00] CyberKnet: anyways. enough of that =)
[22:32:00] Johnny_Quest: yes, i have cyberknet
[22:32:00] Johnny_Quest: i had to take a personality test for blockbuster
[22:33:00] Marts: lmao
[22:33:00] Marts: if you had one they wouldn't give you the job?
[22:33:00] CyberKnet: wow. that's intense.
[22:33:00] Johnny_Quest: probably
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[22:33:00] D-side: eh, i dont disagree.
[22:33:00] Johnny_Quest: they didnt give me a job
[22:34:00] D-side: anyone that has to deal with customers face-to-face should takeone
[22:34:00] Marts: haha, there you are then
[22:34:00] Johnny_Quest: but thats cuz im still waiting on them to call me back
[22:34:00] Johnny_Quest: they said they would this week
[22:34:00] D-side: no one wants some crazed lunatic throwing videos at people
[22:34:00] Marts: lol "blockbuster" by the sweet just came on tv
[22:34:00] gr8nash: Johnny_Quest, any day im sure..
[22:34:00] Marts: bizzare
[22:34:00] Johnny_Quest: lol
[22:34:00] Marts: now I'm freaked
[22:34:00] Johnny_Quest: it pays well for only having to work 20 hours a week
[22:35:00] Marts: so no ivtv Xv users here?
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[22:38:00] gr8nash: bah.. wish i could find any error on freezing
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[23:12:00] xris: insane... my svn tree at work is 12M... but check out the whole tree and it's 156M
[23:16:00] JohnnyQuest: will a geforce 2 with tvout work on a mythbox for tvout?
[23:17:00] fatmatt: JohnnyQuest: I'm using one and it works
[23:17:00] fatmatt: 2mx I think
[23:18:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[23:18:00] JohnnyQuest: thats what i got
[23:18:00] JohnnyQuest: was it hard to set up?
[23:18:00] JohnnyQuest: i just paid 10 bux for one..
[23:18:00] JohnnyQuest: hoping it works
[23:18:00] JohnnyQuest: my ati doesnt
[23:18:00] JohnnyQuest: and i paid 80 bux for that 4 years ago
[23:19:00] fatmatt: nahh, I used the drivers from nvidia, some minor fiddling around in the x windows xf86 config stuff,
[23:20:00] fatmatt: if you want a copy of my config let me know, I've got some lines in the fvwmrc file to resize the display to match the tv
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[23:24:00] CyberKnet: xris: nice
[23:24:00] xris: CyberKnet: just scary.
[23:24:00] ** xris really likes svn **
[23:24:00] CyberKnet: that's a lot of compression
[23:25:00] xris: not compression. basically hard links.
[23:25:00] CyberKnet: aaah.
[23:25:00] JonK: subversion?
[23:25:00] xris: and the .svn control directories take up a bunch of space for tracking changes.
[23:25:00] CyberKnet: I misinterpreted "entire tree"
[23:25:00] xris: entire tree includes branches.
[23:25:00] CyberKnet: yeah
[23:25:00] xris: but still, even the main branch is 39M checked out.
[23:25:00] CyberKnet: I was thinking just one revision of one branch
[23:25:00] CyberKnet: my mistake.
[23:26:00] CyberKnet: =)
[23:26:00] gr8nash: xris how is your 150 working?
[23:26:00] gr8nash: 1 to 10?
[23:26:00] xris: 9.5?
[23:26:00] gr8nash: wow.. nice
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[23:26:00] xris: haven't touched it in weeks
[23:26:00] xris: should try to update the driver at some point.
[23:26:00] gr8nash: what ivtv version are you on?
[23:27:00] f00bar: has anyone had any success with controlling myth menus with a joystick
[23:27:00] xris: like 0.3.2u or something like that.
[23:27:00] xris: old
[23:28:00] gr8nash: well congrats that gives me hope.. i might have to pick one up then
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[23:32:00] JohnnyQuest: my pvr-150 is a 10 so far..
[23:32:00] JohnnyQuest: only had it running for a day or so..
[23:32:00] JohnnyQuest: but beautiful and hasnt stopped running
[23:35:00] f00bar: :(
[23:35:00] f00bar: I'm lacking on joystick support
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[23:37:00] gr8nash: sorry f00bar never tried to use the joystick
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[23:44:00] JonK: good job Johnny
[23:44:00] JohnnyQuest: lol
[23:44:00] JohnnyQuest: and i bought a gfx card jonk
[23:45:00] JohnnyQuest: 10 bux on ebay
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