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Wednesday, June 15th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
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[00:01:00] Muxen: Looking for advice on live tv freezeing with Remote encoder not responding errors -
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[00:05:00] abarbaccia: Muxen, does it freeze in like 2 seconds
[00:05:00] Muxen: abarbaccia: yes exactly
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[00:06:00] abarbaccia: Muxen, rmmod ivtv; modprobe ivtv
[00:07:00] abarbaccia: then try again, you need to fix your scripts to have ivtv load at a later point
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[00:07:00] Muxen: many times have I done this -
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[00:11:00] JohnnyQuest: anyone here edited crontab?
[00:11:00] SarahEmm: umm
[00:11:00] SarahEmm: yes
[00:11:00] JohnnyQuest: or wat is that?
[00:11:00] SarahEmm: what about crontab?
[00:11:00] JohnnyQuest: im doing a step on the installation for fc3 with myth
[00:11:00] JohnnyQuest: and it tells me to do
[00:11:00] JohnnyQuest: crontab -e
[00:11:00] JohnnyQuest: and then put some stuff in there
[00:11:00] JohnnyQuest: how to i exit and save?
[00:11:00] SarahEmm: what editor? vi?
[00:12:00] JohnnyQuest: i dunno..
[00:12:00] JohnnyQuest: the command was..
[00:12:00] JohnnyQuest: crontab -e
[00:12:00] JohnnyQuest: thats it..
[00:12:00] SarahEmm: hit escape, then colon, then w, then q, then enter
[00:12:00] SarahEmm: if it's vi that'll save and exit
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[00:12:00] JohnnyQuest: it says recording at the bottom of the screen..
[00:13:00] SarahEmm: uhh
[00:13:00] SarahEmm: try it again
[00:13:00] SarahEmm: hit esc a few times
[00:13:00] rjune: JohnnyQuest: hit escape a bunch
[00:13:00] SarahEmm: then :wq<enter>
[00:13:00] rjune: heh
[00:13:00] rjune: somebody likes vim
[00:13:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont..
[00:14:00] JohnnyQuest: i like nano..
[00:14:00] SarahEmm: i do :)
[00:14:00] rjune: JohnnyQuest: then in /etc/profile.d/editor.sh put this...
[00:14:00] rjune: export EDITOR="nano"
[00:14:00] rjune: that should save you some headache3
[00:14:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[00:14:00] JohnnyQuest: thank you
[00:14:00] JohnnyQuest: i couldnt get out of that
[00:14:00] JohnnyQuest: i just closed the terminal
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[00:20:00] sphing: anyone here use gentoo
[00:20:00] JohnnyQuest: and what was that supposed to do rjune?
[00:20:00] SarahEmm: i do sphing
[00:20:00] sphing: you got problems emerging qt?
[00:20:00] iggy: check bugs.gentoo.org
[00:20:00] sphing: the #gentoo channel is like 900 people just spitting questions
[00:20:00] rjune: JohnnyQuest: that will make your default editor not vi
[00:20:00] JohnnyQuest: didnt seem to..
[00:20:00] rjune: it'll be nano, which is much easier to deal with
[00:20:00] JohnnyQuest: :(
[00:21:00] JohnnyQuest: it brought me back to vi..
[00:21:00] JohnnyQuest: any commands i need to run to update it?
[00:21:00] JohnnyQuest: other than changing the file?
[00:21:00] rjune: JohnnyQuest: you have to logout/login for it to take effect, or do . /etc/profile
[00:21:00] JohnnyQuest: pl
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[00:22:00] SarahEmm: sphing: i emerged it like 2y ago and haven't touched it since
[00:22:00] SarahEmm: sphing: so i dunno....
[00:22:00] SarahEmm: hrm, wait
[00:22:00] SarahEmm: no, i emerged it a month ago on a frontend, no issues then
[00:22:00] sphing: dammit i emerged it 2 days ago
[00:22:00] sphing: no problem
[00:22:00] sphing: now i emerge and i get a error
[00:22:00] iggy: turn off the ricer CFLAGS
[00:22:00] SarahEmm: what error?
[00:22:00] sphing: http://pastebin.com/299590
[00:23:00] SarahEmm: hrm. weird =-
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[00:27:00] kormoc: sphing, do you have align-double in your cflags?
[00:27:00] iggy: sphing: from searching bugs.gentoo.org (like I told you to do), I see that people have had this problem before, and remerging libpng followed by qt seems to solve it
[00:28:00] sphing: http://pastebin.com/299606
[00:29:00] sphing: iggy: thanks... i hadn't finished with bugs.. i was chatting in #gentoo
[00:29:00] gnarface: can anyone confirm for me whether mythtv waits till a recording is finished before adding an entry to the 'recorded' database table?
[00:30:00] kormoc: gnarface, I don't beleive it does, but that's more from random rememberence of things
[00:30:00] iggy: in progress recordings show up in frontend and mythweb
[00:31:00] gnarface: i'm trying to figure out how i can know a recording is completed using the databse info.
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[00:34:00] sphing: how do you re-emerge something
[00:35:00] gnarface: just run the command again.
[00:35:00] sphing: no its using the old code
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[00:37:00] JonK_: rm -rf /* and then start over
[00:37:00] JonK_: that will get rid of it,
[00:38:00] JonK_: then you can reemerge!
[00:38:00] iggy: what do you mean it's using the old code?
[00:38:00] JonK_: but make sure you're root
[00:38:00] JonK_: otherwise some old code might not get deleted
[00:38:00] iggy: JonK_: I'm an asshole, but I don't even joke like that
[00:39:00] JonK_: ok... sphing, in case you don't know DO NOT exeucte that command, as root or otherwise
[00:39:00] JonK_: (forgets sometimes that people might take seriously)
[00:40:00] iggy: some people really don't know better
[00:42:00] JonK_: i used to tell people to hit alt-f4 in starcraft to help reduce lag... every once in a while
[00:42:00] rtsai: argh. Is there any way to change a libc6 package without also having to uninstall the whole world?
[00:43:00] rjune: Uhm. not really
[00:43:00] rjune: well, you could upgrade or something.
[00:43:00] rjune: but you best be REALLY careful there, you break something, you b0rked
[00:44:00] rtsai: *sigh*. I had cross-graded from debian pure64 to ubuntu a few months ago, and was quite pleased with myself for having actually accomplished it (I thought).
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[00:44:00] rtsai: Now I have a myth problem, and traced it down to some weird mix-n-matching of Qt
[00:44:00] rjune: Uhm, ok. that was probably not hte best idea you've ever had
[00:44:00] rtsai: and that led me all the way down to libc ...
[00:44:00] rtsai: yeah , i know
[00:44:00] rjune: heh
[00:45:00] rtsai: I just wish the world had blew up earlier so I wouldn't be in my situation now
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[00:45:00] rtsai: stupid ubuntu
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[00:45:00] rtsai: stupid sarge
[00:45:00] sphing: JonK: omg....too late
[00:45:00] rtsai: stupid incompatible linux distros
[00:45:00] iggy: you have only one person to blame for this
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[00:46:00] sphing: JonK: omg....too late
[00:46:00] ** rtsai blames iggy **
[00:47:00] JonK_: it that were true, I think i'd be drowining in a deluge of profanity about now...
[00:47:00] JonK_: mostly with references to my heritage
[00:47:00] sphing: lol...well played
[00:48:00] JonK_: :)
[00:51:00] dant: JonK_, try typing '/server lagtest' to see what your IRC lag is like
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[00:53:00] ** JonK_ is suspicious of that suggestion, given the above conversation **
[00:54:00] dant: d'oh
[00:54:00] JonK_: and anyay, bitchx displays lag levels :)
[00:54:00] dant: :)
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[01:14:00] JeepJerk: hello
[01:14:00] JeepJerk: anyone built ivtv recently?
[01:15:00] SarahEmm: 2d ago :)
[01:15:00] JeepJerk: I get ivtv-kthreads.c:1143: error: structure has no member named `sigmask_lock'
[01:15:00] JeepJerk: any guesses who sigmask_lock belongs to?
[01:16:00] SarahEmm: no other errors, just that?
[01:16:00] rjune: wow, who missed the gentoo founder working for MS?
[01:17:00] JeepJerk: well another one related to the same missing function
[01:18:00] JeepJerk: I'm egrep'ing for it now but haven't found anything
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[01:19:00] dant: JeepJerk, http://www.pvfs.org/pvfs2/pvfs2-faq.html#SECT . . . 00000000000, different software, but same error and explaination
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[01:23:00] JeepJerk: dant I think that might be the source of the problem but not really sure how to fix it
[01:27:00] dant: mchou had the same error in this channel, and seemed to get around it
[01:28:00] iggy: rjune: old news
[01:28:00] rjune: ok, so it was just me
[01:28:00] iggy: it's really not that interesting, he left Gentoo quite a while back
[01:29:00] iggy: I mean, he has to move on eventually
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[01:29:00] iggy: and if you are going to move on, might as well do it in expensive style
[01:29:00] rjune: I dunno if I would consider working for MS style.
[01:29:00] iggy: to each his own
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[01:30:00] rjune: ayup. I was just surprised. I don't track gentoo at all
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[01:39:00] JeepJerk: got it
[01:39:00] JeepJerk: found a patch for 0.3 that can be applied to 0.3
[01:39:00] JeepJerk: err 0.2
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[01:45:00] JeepJerk: did the parameters in ivtv change in 0.2?
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[01:55:00] abarbaccia: hey – im having trouble getting lircd started at boot – i swear i have it in like 10 scripts, but with no avail
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[02:07:00] skone: anyone got a webiste for downloading game roms?
[02:07:00] kormoc: We don't talk about such things here
[02:08:00] kormoc: this is a myth tv users forum, not a illegal download forum.
[02:08:00] abarbaccia: illegal? I bet he owns every one of them arcades
[02:08:00] kormoc: he could dump them himself then!
[02:08:00] kormoc: :P
[02:08:00] JonK___: i'd be happy to advise on the fair-use principles of roms
[02:09:00] JonK___: but would rather go home and play wiht the new roomba
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[02:11:00] JohnnyQuest: im having trouble with getting my remote to work in mythtv
[02:12:00] skone: what are the extensions on the nes rom files?
[02:12:00] JohnnyQuest: i get it to transmit to the computer
[02:12:00] JohnnyQuest: skone, www.google.com
[02:12:00] skone: im seeing .nes and .rom
[02:12:00] JohnnyQuest: thats what i believe they are..
[02:12:00] skone: either?
[02:12:00] JohnnyQuest: ya
[02:12:00] JohnnyQuest: ther are a few differnt extentions for roms
[02:12:00] skone: k
[02:13:00] JohnnyQuest: there are more i believe
[02:15:00] JonK___: johhny the remote works using a different program — lircd, the place to start is lirc.org
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[02:18:00] JonK___: what have you done to get the remote working?
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[02:32:00] abarbaccia: zacs, are you there?
[02:33:00] abarbaccia: skone, i believe many emulators want you to keep the roms in their zip files( i know xmame does )
[02:34:00] abarbaccia: I think we should have a bot in all irc chatrooms that checks to see if your statement ends with a '?' and replys with %n, www.google.com
[02:36:00] rjune: abarbaccia: I've not seen any that want that
[02:37:00] rjune: though I haven't gotten xmame working
[02:37:00] sphing: iggy: you were right... re-emerged libpng and it worked
[02:37:00] ** sphing <3 iggy **
[02:38:00] abarbaccia: rjune, well, i'm positive xmame wants that -
[02:39:00] rjune: abarbaccia: like I said, I'm not cool enough for mame.
[02:39:00] abarbaccia: rjune, i understand – things happen
[02:39:00] rjune: abarbaccia: it doesn't like my version is all. and it' snever been high priority
[02:39:00] rjune: abarbaccia: you find a decent nes emulator?
[02:40:00] abarbaccia: znes im guessing?
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[02:40:00] rjune: that would be no. not specificly.
[02:40:00] rjune: I'm thinking I need to hack in genesis and psx support too
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[02:41:00] iggy: sphing: yeah, maybe you'll listen next time
[02:41:00] iggy: :P
[02:41:00] vividan: hey guys
[02:42:00] vividan: old-to-mythtv user here looking for some advice :)
[02:42:00] ** SarahEmm listens **
[02:43:00] vividan: I have one backend, and multiple frontends. The main frontend is on the same machine hosting the backend/databse/filesystem
[02:43:00] SarahEmm: okay
[02:43:00] vividan: If i leave the main frontend in the recorded programs screen for a long time, the frontend loses the backend and locks
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[02:44:00] vividan: I think this happens when the backend starts recording a show while transcoding in the background
[02:44:00] vividan: that isn't my main issue though...
[02:44:00] abarbaccia: hey – a kernel tainted error occurs when you compile something against a differnet kernel source than the one you're using correct?
[02:45:00] vividan: everytime I restart the frontend the database is corrupted
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[02:45:00] SarahEmm: meep...
[02:45:00] SarahEmm: i don't leave it in the recorded programs screen because it raises the CPU load, so i've never seen that...
[02:45:00] rjune: abarbaccia: actually I thought it was when you had non-GPL modules, like nvidia or ati
[02:45:00] SarahEmm: abarbaccia: there are lots of kinds of taints
[02:45:00] SarahEmm: one is version, one is non-GPL, there's a few others
[02:45:00] vividan: I try not to, but it happens when I watch shows while trying to sleep.. or if I fall asleep
[02:45:00] SarahEmm: it gives a taint code in lsmod
[02:47:00] vividan: abarbaccia: yeah, that is a warning I see when loading the nvidia (non-gpl) module
[02:47:00] SarahEmm: ?clear
[02:47:00] skone: where would I find errors logged by mame for nes games?
[02:48:00] rjune: mame will play nes games?
[02:48:00] vividan: Now every time I load up the frontend, the frontend attemps to add columns to the database that already exist. If I remove those columns, the frontend starts again.. is there anyway of fixing that?
[02:50:00] vividan: I am comfortable in mysql so db commands don't bother me
[02:50:00] rjune: vividan: what version of myth?
[02:50:00] abarbaccia: hey – sorry for pasting, but what do you guys get from this:
[02:50:00] abarbaccia: ledxmit_dev: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
[02:50:00] abarbaccia: ledxmit_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61
[02:50:00] abarbaccia: ledxmit_serial: auto-detected active high receiver
[02:50:00] abarbaccia: ledxmit_dev: ledxmit_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0
[02:51:00] abarbaccia: its susposed to register at major 72
[02:51:00] abarbaccia: but decides not to
[02:51:00] vividan: it's on gentoo 0.18.1-r1
[02:52:00] vividan: and now fixing the database lets mythfrontend start, but when trying to go to recorded programs causes mythfrontend to try and wakeup the masterbackend... which never happens
[02:55:00] vividan: Frontend is working again, it would be nice to get this resolved though
[02:57:00] gnarface: hmm. anyone use the User Job # 1–4 thingys?
[02:58:00] vividan: nope, it would be nice to get one of my frontends doing some jobs though
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[02:59:00] vividan: what version of ivtv is everyone using?
[03:00:00] gnarface: 0.3.3k
[03:01:00] vividan: any problems with it?
[03:01:00] gnarface: not that i've seen
[03:01:00] vividan: cool
[03:01:00] gnarface: but the system hasn't been tested extensively
[03:01:00] vividan: :)
[03:01:00] gnarface: i was under the general impression that as long as you're not using a via kt-133 based motherboard you shouldn't really have much in the way of problems.
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[03:02:00] Captain_Murdoch: ivtv 031228 w/ gpio patch applied for use with AVerMedia M179 and Yuan cards. :)
[03:02:00] gnarface: what i'm trying to figure out right now is whether this list of aliases online for the user jobs is up-to-date
[03:02:00] Captain_Murdoch: what aliases? you mean the %STARTTIME% things?
[03:03:00] SarahEmm: i'm on ivtv 0.3.6g
[03:03:00] SarahEmm: video works fine
[03:03:00] gnarface: Captain_Murdoch: yea, those aliases.
[03:03:00] Captain_Murdoch: gnarface: if you compile from source, look at mythtv/libs/libmythtv/jobqueue.cpp and search for %STARTTIME% and you can see the list of items that work as substitutions. There's 13 of them it appears.
[03:04:00] gnarface: Captain_Murdoch: i'm specifically interested in being able to pass the location+filename of completed recordings to a script that's run only when they're done being recorded. will this work for me?
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[03:05:00] Captain_Murdoch: yeah. for what?
[03:05:00] zacs: abarbaccia: here now
[03:05:00] gnarface: Captain_Murdoch: transcoding to something more useful than the built-in transcoder supports.
[03:06:00] abarbaccia: zacs, im having trouble getting the daemon to run at startup – the modules are loaded, but i guess my script placement is of
[03:06:00] abarbaccia: f
[03:06:00] Captain_Murdoch: ok, gotcha (I wrote the JobQueue). :) Here's my UserJob1 command: "/usr2/tmp/myth_archive_job.pl -d %DIR% -f %FILE%"
[03:07:00] Captain_Murdoch: you could just as easy put "somecommand %DIR%/%FILE%"
[03:09:00] gnarface: cool. that's what i was hoping to verify. thanks.
[03:09:00] gnarface: (i'm a wuss so i shell-script with php instead)
[03:10:00] Captain_Murdoch: so these are to watch elsewhere and not in Myth?
[03:11:00] gnarface: yea, basically.
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[03:12:00] gnarface: i don't find mjpeg or mpeg4 very practical.
[03:12:00] gnarface: i'm a bigger fan of ogg codecs for their reduced file sizes.
[03:12:00] SarahEmm: mjpeg is only for certain cards.. RT-JPEG is the software one btw
[03:13:00] gnarface: but properly setup you can watch ogg/theora streams on vlc and it looks pretty nice without chewing up gigs of disk space
[03:16:00] gnarface: Captain_Murdoch: the setup is as much of a proof-of-concept as anything. you can also stream theora to the cortado java applet and not even need a dedicated anything... you know that right?
[03:17:00] JohnnyQuest: anyone around use lirc with the new hauppauge remote?
[03:17:00] gnarface: i have
[03:17:00] gnarface: the 350 one right?
[03:17:00] JohnnyQuest: its for a 50
[03:17:00] JohnnyQuest: 150*
[03:17:00] JohnnyQuest: but its the same remote
[03:17:00] gnarface: yea. they're using it for the 250s now too
[03:17:00] JohnnyQuest: i set it up, but i cant get it to do anything in myth
[03:18:00] JohnnyQuest: it shows what buttons i press in the terminal
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[03:18:00] JohnnyQuest: so its recieving
[03:18:00] gnarface: ~/.mythtv/lirc
[03:18:00] gnarface: ?
[03:18:00] vividan: speaking of remotes, my remote (from a cira december '04 hauppague) doesn't seem to work with mythdvd
[03:18:00] JohnnyQuest: i put a file in there
[03:18:00] JohnnyQuest: i dont get sound wiht mythdvd, but thats another issue..
[03:18:00] gnarface: you gotta match the /etc/lircd.conf with an appropriately tuned lirc and you have to have compiled lirc support into mythtv. did you do all of that?
[03:19:00] JohnnyQuest: im pretty sure
[03:19:00] JohnnyQuest: i follows jrods guide
[03:19:00] vividan: I had a simmilar problem
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[03:19:00] JohnnyQuest: for fc3
[03:21:00] vividan: I had to run irxevent to get my remote working
[03:22:00] vividan: so I put 'irxevent &' on the line above 'mythfrontend' in my .xsession
[03:23:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[03:23:00] JohnnyQuest: ill see if that works
[03:24:00] vividan: keep in mind my sollution does not use mythtv's built in support for the remote
[03:25:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
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[03:27:00] feld: k i'm here
[03:27:00] SlicerDicer-: damn feld xris is afk and mchou aint around :/
[03:28:00] feld: its ok i'll b around for a while tonight
[03:28:00] SlicerDicer-: alright
[03:28:00] feld: i gotta throw in some laundry anyway :p
[03:28:00] kormoc: hihi slicer
[03:28:00] SlicerDicer-: hehe
[03:28:00] kormoc: what's up?
[03:28:00] SlicerDicer-: hey kormoc maybe you know
[03:29:00] SlicerDicer-: pvr-350 does decode for tv out correct?
[03:29:00] SlicerDicer-: thats how I understand it anyway
[03:29:00] kormoc: yes, hardware mpeg-2 decode, right
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[03:29:00] SlicerDicer-: so it does not drain the cpu while outputting
[03:29:00] kormoc: right, mpeg-2.
[03:29:00] SlicerDicer-: that was what I thought I just wanted to make sure 100% before I told feld thats what it was hehe
[03:29:00] feld: yes kormoc but the pvr-150 also does this, correct?
[03:30:00] SlicerDicer-: I havent hooked it up to my tv yet thats why I am not 100%
[03:30:00] kormoc: nope, the pvr 150 is only hardware encode
[03:30:00] SlicerDicer-: feld, not hardware decode so it would suck the cpu to decode right?
[03:30:00] kormoc: yup
[03:30:00] feld: ok does the 250 decode?
[03:30:00] SarahEmm: no
[03:30:00] SlicerDicer-: feld, what speed cpu you planning?
[03:30:00] kormoc: nope
[03:30:00] SarahEmm: only the -350 decodes
[03:30:00] SarahEmm: the -150 -250 and -500 encode only
[03:30:00] feld: that blows. heh.
[03:30:00] SlicerDicer-: hehe feld
[03:30:00] kormoc: if you have a nvidia card with vx/vxmc, cpu decode usage is low.
[03:30:00] SarahEmm: just get a fastish CPU
[03:30:00] feld: i have an amd xp 3000+
[03:30:00] SlicerDicer-: the 350 is a nice investment I love it
[03:30:00] SarahEmm: or yeah, get an nvidia vidcard with decode
[03:30:00] JohnnyQuest: i hate lirc
[03:31:00] kormoc: you'd never have a issue with a 3000+?!
[03:31:00] JohnnyQuest: i use a 1.4 tbird and im fine..
[03:31:00] feld: kormoc: well i want to be able to watch tv and do other stuff
[03:31:00] kormoc: 3000+ is plenty
[03:31:00] feld: just want to make sure i'd be fine
[03:31:00] JohnnyQuest: you will still be fine
[03:31:00] kormoc: I use a bttv card on a 2.4 ghz
[03:31:00] kormoc: the bttv is software encode
[03:31:00] JohnnyQuest: how come there are lines accross the screen when i watch tv?
[03:31:00] SlicerDicer-: feld, I got mine running on a 1.4ghz tbird lol more than enough guts to decode/encode I just dont want the stress on that near 4 year old cpu
[03:31:00] kormoc: using ~25% cpu to encode
[03:31:00] feld: any thought on how much cpu will be taken by it anyway?
[03:31:00] kormoc: + playback cpu usage and it's fine
[03:32:00] kormoc: decode uses about 1% of my 2.4 with a nvidia card
[03:32:00] JohnnyQuest: i have a radeon card in this machine :(
[03:32:00] kormoc: with the pvr's, you'll use about .5% to encode, and maybe 1% to decode.
[03:32:00] feld: i dont have an nvidia card that has capture
[03:32:00] feld: my 6600gt is only output
[03:32:00] JohnnyQuest: my good nvidia card is pcie and this machine is 4 years old
[03:32:00] kormoc: feld, you'll be in heaven
[03:32:00] GreyFoxx: feld: They are talking about output obnly with the nvidia card
[03:32:00] feld: ic ic
[03:33:00] JohnnyQuest: feld, get a pvr-150 or pvr-250 if you can afford it
[03:33:00] vividan: with hardware encode (pvr) and hardware decode (pvr 350 or nvidia) you're biggest worry is hard drive space and bus usage
[03:33:00] GreyFoxx: newish nvidia cards have hardware mpeg decoding abilities to help in the decoding process
[03:33:00] feld: so anyway the conclusion is that if i feel like it I can go cheap with like the 150 to watch tv on my comp without having to worry about much?
[03:33:00] kormoc: GreyFoxx, geforce 3+ iirc has xv, 4+ has xvmc?
[03:33:00] kormoc: feld, yes, you'd be fine
[03:33:00] JohnnyQuest: the 150 is the same as the 250 but it has less support
[03:33:00] SlicerDicer-: feld, people have a bitch of a time with the 150
[03:33:00] GreyFoxx: kormoc: Yeah, I think that's about right
[03:34:00] SlicerDicer-: least thats what I see anyway
[03:34:00] feld: kormoc: well thanks man :D good to know. cant wait to watch tv on this. will be great, since my GF hogs the tv otherwise.
[03:34:00] JohnnyQuest: i have a 150
[03:34:00] SarahEmm: if you're new to myth, you may want to get a -250
[03:34:00] SarahEmm: a lot of people have issues with the -150s and -500s right now
[03:34:00] SarahEmm: the -150s are getting better but some ppl still have trouble
[03:34:00] JohnnyQuest: that hum went away
[03:34:00] SlicerDicer-: SarahEmm, thats what I was sayin :) the 150 people just freak out
[03:34:00] vividan: I'm happy with my 250
[03:34:00] SarahEmm: the -500s are still problematic
[03:34:00] ** SarahEmm has a -500 which seems to work well video-wise **
[03:34:00] feld: "new to myth"? whats so difficult about mythtv?
[03:34:00] kormoc: nothing
[03:34:00] JohnnyQuest: my 150 is working other than lines accross the screen
[03:34:00] vividan: feld: linux
[03:34:00] kormoc: more like, new to that card.
[03:34:00] JohnnyQuest: im new to linux...
[03:34:00] JohnnyQuest: and i got it running
[03:34:00] ** GreyFoxx hungs his batch of 250's **
[03:35:00] JohnnyQuest: i started using linux a week ago
[03:35:00] ** kormoc runs afk for a litle, getting dinner **
[03:35:00] SarahEmm: well, it took me like 6 hours to get the PVR-500 running
[03:35:00] feld: i figure if i can run gentoo i can run mythtv
[03:35:00] SarahEmm: and i consider myself good wiht linux
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[03:35:00] JohnnyQuest: it took me a week to get my 150 running
[03:35:00] SarahEmm: but 4 hours of that was time in which the drivers were working and i forgot to plug the cable in so.. ;)
[03:35:00] JohnnyQuest: stll no remote workng or dvd sound
[03:35:00] JohnnyQuest: but thats not the 150
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[03:36:00] feld: JohnnyQuest: i know how to get the remote working, at least basically.
[03:36:00] feld: i've read over that stuff
[03:36:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[03:36:00] JohnnyQuest: well good luck with that, thats the hard part
[03:36:00] feld: but either way i'm not that intersted in the remote either heh
[03:36:00] JohnnyQuest: well so far for me..
[03:36:00] JohnnyQuest: well this computer is just gonna be used as a tivo
[03:37:00] JohnnyQuest: so, a remote is important
[03:37:00] feld: JohnnyQuest: i c
[03:37:00] JohnnyQuest: i have a windows that i use for games and such
[03:37:00] JohnnyQuest: if i could run my games on linux, i probably would....
[03:37:00] JohnnyQuest: im liking it the more i use it
[03:37:00] feld: JohnnyQuest: so what did u have to do for your 150 to work? besides load the module and have video4linux setup?
[03:38:00] JohnnyQuest: i followed jrods guide for fc3
[03:38:00] GreyFoxx: feld: the 150 requires the ivtv drivers to work
[03:38:00] JohnnyQuest: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/printer-friendly.p . . . 50out=closed
[03:38:00] feld: no idea what they are — but are they very accessible and easy to use?
[03:38:00] JohnnyQuest: i just followed that guide
[03:39:00] JohnnyQuest: sarah, u use your remote?
[03:39:00] SarahEmm: err
[03:39:00] SarahEmm: which remote?
[03:39:00] GreyFoxx: feld: simple to get and compile/install if that's what you mean
[03:39:00] SlicerDicer-: feld, ivtv is pretty simple do emerge -s ivtv :P
[03:39:00] GreyFoxx: and I'd bet there is a gentoo specific way out there
[03:40:00] JohnnyQuest: the new one
[03:40:00] vividan: there is a gentoo guide out there
[03:40:00] SlicerDicer-: vividan, yep
[03:40:00] SlicerDicer-: several
[03:40:00] JohnnyQuest: for the hauppauge cards
[03:40:00] SlicerDicer-: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV that one has to be the best
[03:41:00] SarahEmm: JohnnyQuest: talking to me?
[03:41:00] JohnnyQuest: ya
[03:41:00] JohnnyQuest: it doesnt matter
[03:41:00] SarahEmm: my backend is just a backend
[03:41:00] SarahEmm: so i don't ahve a remote on the PVR card
[03:41:00] JohnnyQuest: o ok
[03:41:00] SarahEmm: i use a remote on a frontend, one of 'em
[03:41:00] SarahEmm: it's a microsoft remote tho, on the xbox
[03:41:00] JohnnyQuest: ok
[03:41:00] JohnnyQuest: i get input into the computer
[03:41:00] JohnnyQuest: i jsut cant get it to do anything to mythtv
[03:42:00] rjune: JohnnyQuest: what windowmanager are you using?
[03:42:00] JohnnyQuest: what is a windowmanager?
[03:42:00] JohnnyQuest: kde?
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[03:43:00] rjune: close enough, are you using KDE?
[03:43:00] GreyFoxx: well kde is really a desktop environment, but it's close enough
[03:43:00] JohnnyQuest: ya
[03:43:00] JohnnyQuest: im using kde
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[03:44:00] JohnnyQuest: does this error help?
[03:44:00] JohnnyQuest: rxevent: could not open config files /root/.lircrc and /etc/lircrc
[03:44:00] JohnnyQuest: irxevent: No such file or directory
[03:44:00] feld: i run fluxbox. its great. :D
[03:44:00] JohnnyQuest: when i tried running irxevent i got taht error
[03:44:00] feld: http://webpages.charter.net/cdsprague/desktop.jpg
[03:45:00] JohnnyQuest: can i play counter strike source or farcy on linux?
[03:46:00] rjune: JohnnyQuest: I think thiers a cs variant for linux.
[03:46:00] JohnnyQuest: i know they have servers taht run on linux..
[03:46:00] rjune: JohnnyQuest: UT2004 is available. but too many people flat overlook bzflag.
[03:47:00] JohnnyQuest: i was just wondering..
[03:47:00] JohnnyQuest: no real interest, since this comptuer cant handle any games..
[03:47:00] JohnnyQuest: only a radeon 7200
[03:47:00] JohnnyQuest: any ideas on my lirc?
[03:49:00] vividan: do you have those files it pointed to?
[03:50:00] Beirdo: SarahEmm: you gonna drop on pirates for a few?
[03:50:00] JohnnyQuest: i thoung i did...
[03:50:00] JohnnyQuest: thought*
[03:51:00] SarahEmm: not right now...
[03:51:00] SarahEmm: sowwy
[03:51:00] Beirdo: awww
[03:51:00] Beirdo: Oooh, my cap'n just showed up
[03:51:00] rjune: JohnnyQuest: you can play bzflag
[03:51:00] rjune: you won't get great graphics, but it's still fun
[03:52:00] JohnnyQuest: what is bzflag?
[03:53:00] rjune: only the greatest game in open source
[03:53:00] vividan: hehe
[03:53:00] vividan: oh, has anyone thought of a web frontend?... I'm talking about streaming the shows to an embedded viewer in a browser
[03:54:00] rjune: that could be neat. I'm interested in other things though
[03:54:00] rjune: like getting games working properly
[03:54:00] SarahEmm: walkies, bbiab
[03:54:00] vividan: hehe, no biggy. I probably wouldn't use it
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[03:55:00] feld: i'm sure it has/can be done vividan
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[04:00:00] abarbaccia: register_chrdev failed --- anybody know how to get my 2nd instance of lirc onto a different char-major? because my aliases aren't quite working
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[04:00:00] snotdude: quick question: I just changed from directtv to digital cable.(I updated zap2it) but when I run the mythfilldatabase, it does not update the channel listings. Any ideas on how to flush the channel listing, and rebuild it?
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[04:02:00] vividan: snotdude you could run mythsetup and tell it to flush the channels at startup
[04:02:00] snotdude: k. thanks. I'll try that.
[04:02:00] Beirdo: Arrr... rum
[04:05:00] abarbaccia: okay, i have both my remote and my ir blaster working seperate- but when i go to add them in together, they both run to the same char-major and refuse to work together – how do i fix this?
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[04:07:00] gnarface: http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/1996-07-01/index.html
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[04:11:00] reel: i finally get my wireless up + running and go to try mythtvsetup and it segfaults
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[04:12:00] rjune: so mame can play nes games?
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[04:17:00] abarbaccia: okay, whatever module i modprobe first takes char-major-61, then the other one is booted off and cannot load – but this problem will have to wait – if you have any ideas, feel free to msg me!
[04:17:00] djperegrine: rjune snes9x can
[04:17:00] djperegrine: and zsnes maybe
[04:18:00] rjune: great, I haven't gotten snes9x to run fullscreen
[04:18:00] djperegrine: I dunno abouot mame
[04:18:00] djperegrine: I found a semi work around
[04:18:00] djperegrine: you can use this program to resize teh window
[04:18:00] djperegrine: and you can write a script for it
[04:18:00] rjune: djperegrine: ?
[04:19:00] djperegrine: like xwid or something
[04:19:00] djperegrine: xwit
[04:19:00] rjune: xwd?
[04:19:00] djperegrine: its xwit
[04:20:00] rjune: djperegrine: ok, I'll look for it
[04:26:00] reel: arg why can't I use glx? If I disable it, X loads fine. If enabled, I get an XIO: fatal IO error 104
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[04:27:00] rjune: reel: what card and distro?
[04:27:00] reel: mx 420 gf4, fc3
[04:27:00] reel: i compiled the latest nvidia drivers
[04:27:00] rjune: reel: using nvidias drivers?
[04:27:00] reel: using their magic install script program
[04:27:00] rjune: reel: why? why not use the livna drivers that work for so many people
[04:28:00] reel: ok i will try that out
[04:28:00] rjune: reel: I've heard(but cannot confirm) that the latest from nvidia are kinda flaky
[04:28:00] reel: ok
[04:31:00] reel: i am using a linuxant modified stack kernel. do you think i could install drivers for the non-changed stack and get away with it?
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[04:34:00] reel: we will soon know ;)
[04:35:00] rjune: reel: dunno
[04:36:00] rjune: reel: wifi?
[04:36:00] reel: yeah
[04:36:00] reel: spent forever trying to get ndiswrapper going
[04:36:00] reel: what a pain that stuff is, poorly documented, poor support, angry community
[04:37:00] rjune: well, if you had to use second rate windows drivers for second rate hardware, you'ld be angry too
[04:38:00] reel: heh
[04:39:00] reel: rjune: answer to my previous question seems to be yes
[04:39:00] rjune: cool
[04:39:00] reel: using the stk16 kernel only requires copying the kernel module to the proper kernel directory
[04:40:00] reel: and you get the gold star because i am able to use the drivers with glx
[04:40:00] reel: which thereby allows me to run mythtvsetup and mythfrontend without segfaulting immediately :)
[04:41:00] reel: thank you very much!
[04:41:00] rjune: yay
[04:41:00] rjune: future reference, livna is a good thing
[04:41:00] reel: so it seems
[04:42:00] rjune: livna has a ton of great stuff.
[04:42:00] zacs: should i try their stuff if I can't get RenderAccel working with the at rpms?
[04:43:00] rjune: zacs: I prefer extras + livna to atrpms
[04:44:00] rjune: so much so that I'm trying to get mythtv into livna
[04:45:00] zacs: is there a way with apt to say i want the drivers from one repository over another?
[04:45:00] reel: i am able to stream video across the wireless yay. i still have to work on getting sound going but i don't feel like that yet
[04:45:00] rjune: zacs: dunno, I don't use apt
[04:45:00] rjune: I use yum, have atrpms disabled,
[04:45:00] rjune: then enable it only as I need it
[04:47:00] rjune: I'm not knocking atrpms, but it's replaces a ton of stuff from core. which I 'm not keen on
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[04:53:00] zacs: rjune: yeah, i agree with that statement
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[04:59:00] zacs: rjune: wow, it worked
[04:59:00] reel: so switching to lilo allows me to boot into the system with just tv-out. grub does not
[04:59:00] reel: rjune is hot tonight
[04:59:00] zacs: rjune: you're on fire tonight
[04:59:00] zacs: haha
[04:59:00] reel: :)
[05:00:00] rjune: no applause, just throw money
[05:00:00] zacs: my cpu usage has dropped like 25%
[05:00:00] zacs: <3
[05:00:00] rjune: actually, I need hardware more than money right now... :-)
[05:01:00] reel: is there any reason fc3 suggests grub over lilo
[05:02:00] rjune: technically? I don't think so
[05:02:00] rjune: grub can do some stuff lilo can't, but IIRC it's nothing earthshaking
[05:02:00] reel: ok
[05:03:00] reel: because i can boot this computer on just tv-out if i use lilo. all of a sudden everything is coming together tonight
[05:03:00] rjune: and if you use grub it won't boot?
[05:04:00] reel: correct
[05:04:00] rjune: new one on me.
[05:04:00] reel: yeah. it works in a similar system just fine
[05:04:00] reel: but this one not at all
[05:04:00] reel: be right back. switching off the laptop
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[05:09:00] zacs: rjune: oh i lied, when i use renderaccel x loads fine, but mythfrontend just comes up as a blue screen
[05:10:00] rjune: heh
[05:10:00] zacs: it does the scaling thing, then i just see the background
[05:10:00] zacs: don't suppose you have any ideas? :)
[05:11:00] rjune: no clue, what does renderaccel do?
[05:11:00] zacs: Enable or disable hardware acceleration of the RENDER extension
[05:12:00] rjune: why would I want it? aka what does RENDER do?
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[05:22:00] reel: damn ndiswrapper stopped working now :(
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[05:44:00] reel: rjune: as soon as I rebooted with lilo, my wireless stopped working
[05:44:00] reel: I am praying that it is unrelated
[05:48:00] feld: i only used lilo once
[05:48:00] feld: that was a long long time ago on a mandrake install
[05:48:00] feld: like my first linux ever
[05:48:00] feld: i've used Grub ever since
[05:48:00] fryfrog: i like grub and all...
[05:48:00] fryfrog: but i still don't know how to do "linux single" with grub :/
[05:49:00] reel: grub was doing something wrong to my graphics so i couldn't boot with just tv-out
[05:49:00] reel: that is why i switched
[05:49:00] fryfrog: damn grub!
[05:49:00] SarahEmm: drop to a command line, run 'root <root dev>' 'kernel <kernel path>' 'boot single'
[05:49:00] fryfrog: i squish grubs when ever i see em
[05:49:00] fryfrog: so if you wanted to make a gub menu item for single user mode
[05:50:00] fryfrog: kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.6.11-r2 root=/dev/sda3 boot single
[05:50:00] fryfrog: ?
[05:50:00] rjune: SarahEmm: I do down, 'e', 'end',
[05:50:00] rjune: 'space' single, 'enter', 'b'
[05:50:00] fryfrog: that never works for me :/
[05:51:00] SarahEmm: rjune: hrm, okay :)
[05:51:00] fryfrog: or maybe its just gentoo's boot that doesn't use single user :/
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[05:51:00] fryfrog: rjune: that is what i've always tried too
[05:51:00] SarahEmm: i always just specify '1' when i want single user mode
[05:52:00] rjune: abarbaccia: snes9x does not run nes roms
[05:52:00] fryfrog: i usually just boot with the gentoo live cd if i need single user :)
[05:52:00] fryfrog: SarahEmm: what distro?
[05:52:00] SarahEmm: gentoo
[05:52:00] fryfrog: where do you specify 1?
[05:53:00] SarahEmm: kernel parameter
[05:53:00] fryfrog: ahhh
[05:53:00] fryfrog: kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.6.11-r2 root=/dev/sda3 1
[05:53:00] SarahEmm: 'start in runlevel 1'
[05:53:00] fryfrog: like that?
[05:53:00] SarahEmm: yeah
[05:53:00] fryfrog: is it literally "start in runlevel 1" or just "1"?
[05:53:00] rpete: you can't edit parameters interactively with grub?
[05:53:00] fryfrog: sure you can
[05:53:00] fryfrog: press "e" for edit
[05:53:00] fryfrog: select the menu item, then select the line
[05:53:00] rpete: so I must've missed something
[05:54:00] fryfrog: edit it, then press "b" to boot
[05:54:00] fryfrog: its not perm
[05:54:00] SarahEmm: just '1'
[05:54:00] fryfrog: thanks
[05:54:00] fryfrog: i always used "single" but i dont think that works
[05:54:00] defaultro: hi fryfrog, wassup?
[05:55:00] fryfrog: heya
[05:55:00] defaultro: :) been very busy lately
[05:55:00] reel: so weird. ndiswrapper is kernel panicking if i let it set up through the ifcfg-wlan0 file but seems to be fine if i do it by hand after booting
[05:55:00] fryfrog: i just started my crappy 7 day work week :(
[05:55:00] defaultro: oh ok
[05:55:00] JeepJerk: how much do people have recorded on their mythtv box?
[05:55:00] fryfrog: hey, anyone know much about stereos?
[05:55:00] reel: JeepJerk: much in terms of what
[05:55:00] defaultro: stereos?
[05:56:00] rjune: fryfrog: I know they make noise
[05:56:00] fryfrog: well...
[05:56:00] rpete: heh
[05:56:00] JeepJerk: time including commercials
[05:56:00] fryfrog: lets say you have 2 identical systems
[05:56:00] fryfrog: but one is 100W and the other is 500W
[05:56:00] JeepJerk: or shows
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[05:56:00] fryfrog: is the only diff that the 500W one can be louder?
[05:56:00] reel: JeepJerk: I probably have about 40 – 50 hours sitting on it
[05:56:00] reel: i delete most stuff after watching but some is accumulating because i don't really get around to watching it
[05:56:00] fryfrog: i usually have my 200G drive filled up and myth probably deletes old shit and records new
[05:57:00] JeepJerk: new stat says I have 93hrs and 43 mins
[05:57:00] fryfrog: i get about 2G / hr
[05:57:00] fryfrog: so about 90 hrs i'd guess
[05:57:00] JeepJerk: just got a new 250 Gig drive today so it might double
[05:57:00] defaultro: sometimes, I get 5gig/hr on hd
[05:58:00] JeepJerk: what do you grab hidef with?
[05:58:00] defaultro: i used air2pc card
[05:58:00] defaultro: via coax
[05:58:00] ademus05: anyone have time for some quick newbie questions?
[05:59:00] JeepJerk: is the image clean?
[05:59:00] rpete: fryfrog, are you talking about speakers or amps?
[05:59:00] defaultro: are you asking me Jeep?
[05:59:00] laga: WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A strong earthquake of 7.0 magnitude occurred off the coast of northern California on Tuesday night, the U.S. Geological Survey said.
[05:59:00] fryfrog: humm, amps i guess
[05:59:00] rpete: fryfrog, but what it does come down to is how loud things can get
[05:59:00] laga: The earthquake, which the USGS defines as "major" at that magnitude, occurred at 7.50 p.m. on the West coast about 10 km (6 miles) deep in the Pacific Ocean.
[05:59:00] laga: A tsunami warning has been issued for coastal areas from the California-Mexico border to the northern tip of Vancouver in Canada, USGS said.
[05:59:00] JeepJerk: defaltro: yeah, sorry
[05:59:00] laga: fun ;)
[06:00:00] defaultro: Jeep, very clean and clear
[06:00:00] SarahEmm: tsunami warning's over now
[06:00:00] defaultro: I love it
[06:00:00] laga: SarahEmm: it's over?
[06:00:00] defaultro: hey laga, how are you?
[06:00:00] JeepJerk: I've gotta get some of that
[06:00:00] defaultro: i've been away
[06:00:00] SarahEmm: laga: yeah.
[06:00:00] SarahEmm: the warning is
[06:00:00] ademus05: I'm thinking of setting up a mythTV box because I have an extra computer. Which linux do people recommend?
[06:00:00] JeepJerk: how about knoppmyth
[06:00:00] SarahEmm: http://wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov/message.txt
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[06:01:00] JeepJerk: less questions for us :)
[06:01:00] laga: SarahEmm: thank you very much – i was quite worried because a friend of mine lives there ;)
[06:01:00] defaultro: anyone here uses LVM?
[06:01:00] SarahEmm: laga: my partner lives there too heh
[06:01:00] JeepJerk: yup
[06:01:00] ademus05: I've tried Ubuntu but the packages in hoary multiverse seem to be broken.
[06:01:00] JeepJerk: just expanded the volume tonight
[06:01:00] defaultro: laga, looks like you don't know my nick anymore. I said hi. :p
[06:01:00] laga: hi defaultro!
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[06:02:00] defaultro: hehehe
[06:02:00] laga: sorry, gotta have overlooked you ;)
[06:02:00] defaultro: :D np
[06:02:00] defaultro: anyone really good in LVM
[06:02:00] JeepJerk: I use it, I dunno about good
[06:02:00] defaultro: just wanted to know if we can remove one physical disk that is on XFS
[06:02:00] ademus05: JeepJerk, I'm ooking at knoppixmyth, also looking at Gentoo or Debian SID. Any advice/horror stories from those distributions?
[06:03:00] defaultro: ademus05, I highly recommend using a linux that you are very comfortable with
[06:03:00] JeepJerk: debian and knoppmyth are practiacally the same
[06:03:00] JeepJerk: so you want to shrink the XFS and remove a disk?
[06:03:00] JeepJerk: that was to defaulto
[06:04:00] laga: 07:03 < JeepJerk> debian and knoppmyth are practiacally the same
[06:04:00] laga: bullshit ;)
[06:04:00] defaultro: yes Jeep
[06:04:00] laga: technically the same, prolly, yes – but not prractically
[06:04:00] fryfrog: ademus05: you might also consider fedora core, which has good guides
[06:04:00] fryfrog: i think he meant practically as in "almost"
[06:04:00] defaultro: Jeep, but read somewhere that if it was XFS, there is no way to shrink it down :(
[06:05:00] fryfrog: not practically as in practical
[06:05:00] ademus05: defaultro: I've been running both for about 2 years. JeepJerk: I'm not too up on my knoppix. Does knoppix use the standard Debian repositories, or does it require special repositories?
[06:05:00] laga: fryfrog: umm. yeah. *snicker*
[06:05:00] defaultro: ade, are you comfortable compiling apps?
[06:05:00] JeepJerk: defaultro: I don't know how to shrink an XFS but if you used a standard scheme for LVM you should be able to get the physical disk out once you figure that part our
[06:05:00] JeepJerk: s/our/out/
[06:05:00] ademus05: I looked at Fedora. I run it at work, and the lack of apt or emerge drives me crazy :)
[06:06:00] fryfrog: http://fryfrog.com/gallery/DespairLinux
[06:06:00] fryfrog: that might help you choose which distro to use :)
[06:06:00] ademus05: defaultro: completly, I just don't want to do it over and over again
[06:06:00] defaultro: Jeep, I'll join the LVM mailing list and ask about it
[06:06:00] fryfrog: ademus05: i think most people install apt-get to FC
[06:06:00] JeepJerk: ademus: you can get debs to work with knoppix for the most part
[06:07:00] defaultro: ademus, I'm very happy with my compiled from source mythtv. It's been running great. No issues for 3–4+ months now
[06:07:00] fryfrog: my favorite is the gentoo one :)
[06:07:00] ademus05: fryfrog: I still haven't found an apt-rpm repository that has > 90% of the software I want to install
[06:07:00] fryfrog: ah
[06:07:00] JeepJerk: ademus how good are you with linux?
[06:07:00] reel: all i need is lynx + cat
[06:07:00] fryfrog: i'm a gentoo bitch, its been a LONG time since i've used anything else
[06:08:00] reel: my two favorite felines
[06:08:00] ademus05: about 4 years at this point. I've used Fedora, Debian sid and Gentoo.
[06:08:00] JeepJerk: cause what I did with my mythbox was to build linux from scratch and then I had only what was needed for myth so it made me feel all warm inside my engineering skin
[06:09:00] JeepJerk: that and you can always get tarballs/CVS
[06:09:00] defaultro: aight guys, I'm hitting the hay now, see you all later......:P
[06:09:00] JeepJerk: ;)
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[06:09:00] JeepJerk: later defaultro
[06:09:00] SarahEmm: nini defaultro
[06:09:00] defaultro: ok
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[06:09:00] defaultro: nini?
[06:09:00] JeepJerk: good luck with XFS
[06:09:00] defaultro: what is nini Sarah?
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[06:09:00] JeepJerk: ademus: www.linuxfromscratch.org
[06:10:00] JeepJerk: you might have some fun with it
[06:10:00] SarahEmm: defaultro|zzzzzz: www.sarahemm.net/glossary.php
[06:10:00] SarahEmm: it's the Sarah Glossary. :)
[06:10:00] fryfrog: nini is night night :p
[06:10:00] defaultro|zzzzzz: cool
[06:11:00] ademus05: JeepJerk: I don't have that much free time on my hands :-p
[06:11:00] defaultro|zzzzzz: ah, something like 6464
[06:11:00] JeepJerk: in that case get fedora core 3
[06:12:00] reel: your glossary is crazy
[06:12:00] SarahEmm: reel: whyfor?
[06:12:00] reel: that it exists
[06:12:00] SarahEmm: lol
[06:12:00] SarahEmm: well people kept asking!
[06:12:00] reel: not so much the words
[06:12:00] reel: but that you need one
[06:12:00] JeepJerk: someone uses gallery
[06:12:00] defaultro|zzzzzz: 293 38379664!
[06:13:00] SarahEmm: well, i use weird words like kitrich and welkies :)
[06:13:00] reel: i have my brain set to filter out unintelligible words
[06:13:00] SarahEmm: hehee
[06:13:00] reel: though unfortunately with the addition of your glossary, i think i just lost the space that was derivatives
[06:14:00] defaultro|zzzzzz: Sarah's glossary is similar to the geekcode
[06:14:00] defaultro|zzzzzz: I used geekcode in my email signature
[06:14:00] SarahEmm: err, how so?
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[06:14:00] ** SarahEmm doesn't see the similarity **
[06:14:00] JeepJerk: part ostrich part kitty!? that sounds painful
[06:15:00] SarahEmm: lol
[06:15:00] SarahEmm: <-- kitrich :)
[06:15:00] reel: JeepJerk: only if the cat is the one giving birth
[06:15:00] SarahEmm: my partner came up with the term 'cuz i'm an ostrich but i tend to meow at peoples irl
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[06:16:00] JeepJerk: Sarah: so do you know VMS?
[06:16:00] JeepJerk: notice you have a PDP
[06:17:00] mchou: man that's old school :)
[06:17:00] mchou: I've only touched a PDP-11 once.
[06:17:00] ademus05: ok, thanks JeepJerk and fryfrog and everyone else. I think I'm going to try knoppixmyth, followed by Gentoo.
[06:17:00] ademus05: goodnight all
[06:17:00] JeepJerk: night
[06:17:00] SarahEmm: JeepJerk: a few PDPs and a few VAXen yeah
[06:18:00] SarahEmm: and yes, i'm familiar with VMS ;)
[06:18:00] JeepJerk: I get all excited about their async IO and high resolution timers
[06:18:00] SarahEmm: hehe
[06:20:00] JeepJerk: yep well, I should be getting out of here
[06:20:00] JeepJerk: g'night
[06:20:00] SarahEmm: nini
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[06:20:00] gnarface: any W.o.W.ers in here?
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[06:22:00] rinco: anyone know of if mvpmc runs on anything not mvp? like a prismiq?
[06:22:00] mchou: no idea, but I'd bet against it. :)
[06:23:00] mchou: like do they even use the same core/cpu?
[06:23:00] rinco: different arch
[06:23:00] rinco: im hoping mvpmc has been written to be portable
[06:23:00] mchou: lol. keep smoking dope :)
[06:24:00] rinco: i reckon the mythtv devs are on something
[06:25:00] mchou: rinco: ypu got a prismiq?
[06:25:00] mchou: you*
[06:25:00] rinco: just bought one
[06:25:00] rinco: now i need to simulate the ir keyboard
[06:25:00] rinco: (mvp is still overpriced... 3* the price of a prism)
[06:25:00] mchou: huh???
[06:25:00] mchou: I thought prism was overpriced.
[06:26:00] rinco: maybe in your country
[06:26:00] mchou: mvp is US$80 street
[06:26:00] rinco: yeah so half the price of what it is here
[06:26:00] rinco: if not less
[06:26:00] mchou: prismiq is like at least US$150
[06:26:00] rinco: i've been using mythtv on xebian for the past 2 years
[06:26:00] rinco: but xbox is loud and xebian takes ages to boot
[06:27:00] rinco: well i just picked up this prism iq second hand for like $us70
[06:27:00] mchou: hmm, nice :)
[06:27:00] ** SarahEmm running an xbox frontend here **
[06:27:00] mchou: which model prism is it?
[06:27:00] SarahEmm: works nicely imho :)
[06:28:00] rinco: im guessing the original model
[06:28:00] rinco: i tried setting up xbmcmythtv
[06:28:00] rinco: several times over the past few months... never works
[06:28:00] ** SarahEmm not using that **
[06:28:00] SarahEmm: i'm running linux on my xbox
[06:28:00] rinco: if not xebian im guessing gentoo
[06:28:00] SarahEmm: so i'm running normal mythfrontend, using the xbox dvd remote for control
[06:29:00] SarahEmm: gentoo yeah
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[06:29:00] SarahEmm: other than the slight slowness of the GUI it's great :o)
[06:29:00] rinco: yeah the out-of-box lirc config was too slow
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[06:29:00] rinco: and i am displeased with 2 minutes to boot
[06:29:00] ShockValue: hi all, got a question for ya – semi mythtv related
[06:29:00] ShockValue: when i use the keyboard to navigate mythtv it responds very quickly, but when i use the remote (via lirc) it's very sluggish. like i have to pause between pressing buttons on my remote
[06:29:00] rinco: speaking of slow lirc
[06:30:00] ShockValue: for example if i want to move down 3 on the program guide, i have to do down:wait .5 secs:down:wait .5secs:down
[06:30:00] SarahEmm: not the lirc, the interface itself
[06:30:00] SarahEmm: too much swapping...
[06:30:00] SarahEmm: going to throw some RAM in it at some poiont but haven't yet
[06:30:00] ShockValue: mine is def lirc.. if i use the keyboard its very quick (sorry to butt in, ignore me for now :)
[06:31:00] SarahEmm: ahh
[06:33:00] reel: where do you put shell commands that you want executed on startup near the end?
[06:34:00] reel: or perhaps a script of commands
[06:36:00] ShockValue: i put em in .xsession and it gets executed when i startx
[06:36:00] rinco: so third party mythtv frontends.... xbmcmythtv, mvpmc... anything else?
[06:37:00] ** SarahEmm uses software encoding so those don't work for me.. **
[06:39:00] xbmodder: I get this error during build: ../../libs/libavcodec/libmythavcodec-0.18.1.so: undefined reference to `postProcess_C'
[06:39:00] xbmodder: any ideas?
[06:39:00] rinco: shockvalue: hold on the line... i emailed my bro (who fixed lirc for my mythtv)
[06:40:00] reel: ShockValue: it is for my network cards. the network config script isn't working but shell commands are working fine so i want to start it up that way
[06:41:00] ShockValue: rinco – cool, thanks :)
[06:41:00] ShockValue: reel – i suck at linux, thats just how i do it.. im not much help otherwise
[06:41:00] reel: :) thanks though
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[06:45:00] ShockValue: this mythweb interface is nice.. i can see me filling up my HDD quick with the "movie search" + the super delux directv subscription i have for 3 months :)
[06:45:00] SarahEmm: heh
[06:46:00] rinco: he tells me he got rid of lircd
[06:46:00] rinco: and built lirc into mythtv
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[06:46:00] rinco: makes it go heaps faster
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[06:47:00] ShockValue: lirc is built into my mythtv as far as i know
[06:47:00] ShockValue: USE="lirc" emerge mythtv
[06:47:00] ShockValue: that kind of thing
[06:47:00] ShockValue: i honestly think its something with my remote setup, but i have no clue how to make it work
[06:47:00] ShockValue: or faster, anyway
[06:48:00] rinco: he says lirc was generating heaps of redundant X events
[06:48:00] rinco: so maybe you should debug with xev
[06:48:00] ShockValue: ill look that up :L)
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[06:54:00] rinco: (just run xev)
[06:54:00] rinco: and make sure you arent running any lircd
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[07:01:00] ShockValue: well how does the machine take the lirc events if im not running lircd?
[07:02:00] Chutt: shouldn't be any difference vs using irxevent or the built in native lirc support
[07:06:00] rinco: chutt: on xbox it obviously does
[07:07:00] Chutt: sounds like he configured irxevent wrong
[07:08:00] ShockValue: im not sure i configured irxevent at all
[07:08:00] ShockValue: i jsut start lircd at boot, and compiled mythtv with lirc support built in
[07:08:00] Chutt: then you've got it built in
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[07:09:00] ShockValue: ok :)
[07:09:00] ShockValue: well im sure glad this DIY network is free for 3 months. i would be mad if i actually paid for this channel
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[07:11:00] ShockValue: ok, so lirc is built in.. we got that down..
[07:11:00] ShockValue: xev doesnt look like its installed on my machine
[07:11:00] ShockValue: oh nm, yes it is
[07:11:00] Chutt: don't bother with it
[07:11:00] ShockValue: k
[07:12:00] Chutt: you're not using irxevent, so it's kinda pointless to use xev to see if irxevent is generating events
[07:12:00] ShockValue: so why would it be really slow compared to keyboard input? im guessing it has something to do with my /etc/lircd.conf or something, but i have no idea what it would be
[07:12:00] ShockValue: like delay times are off or something
[07:12:00] Chutt: <shrug>
[07:12:00] Chutt: dunno
[07:13:00] ShockValue: no one in #lirc :)
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[07:33:00] SerratedX: anyone alive?
[07:35:00] gnarface: barely
[07:35:00] SerratedX: hey!
[07:36:00] SerratedX: any possible light for help?
[07:36:00] SerratedX: because this problem is REALLY bugging me
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[07:37:00] SerratedX: :-/
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[07:43:00] SerratedX: twisted_one or rinc – any of you alive and possibly able to help me out
[07:43:00] SerratedX: ?
[07:43:00] twisted_one: possibly
[07:43:00] twisted_one: whats up?
[07:45:00] SerratedX: MythTV or Knopmyth, can't find my mediacard. And AVermedia cards are supported, correct?
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[07:46:00] rinc: some avermedia cards are
[07:47:00] SerratedX: is the AverTV Go 007?
[07:47:00] rinc: noidea
[07:47:00] SerratedX: people said it does
[07:47:00] rinc: mine detects as a dvb_bt8xx
[07:48:00] SerratedX: mine can't even dectect it
[07:48:00] rinc: what modules are you using?
[07:48:00] rinc: well it should appear fine in lspci
[07:48:00] rinc: if not you are already up shit creek before you got in the water
[07:49:00] SerratedX: my rig is a basic P3 1.0Ghz, 512 SDRAM, ATI PCI Radeon 7000, and a AverTV Go 007
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[07:49:00] SerratedX: do you think there are PCI conflics between my capture card, and my videocard?
[07:50:00] rinc: anything is possible... but that is unlikely
[07:51:00] rinc: oh its a usb card?
[07:52:00] SerratedX: no, PCI
[07:52:00] SerratedX: my videocard is PCI bus, and my capture card is PCI bus
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[07:52:00] rinc: and it doesnt appear in lspci?
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[07:53:00] rinc: oh ps... i needed to get the binary firmware from the windows cd
[07:53:00] rinc: but i dont think you are at that stage yet
[07:54:00] SerratedX: nothing
[07:54:00] SerratedX: it's like it can't even see it
[07:54:00] rinc: if it doesnt appear in lspci... then theres little you can do in linux
[07:54:00] SerratedX: shoot.. if only I knew where my Windows CD was...
[07:55:00] SerratedX: where can I check lspci?
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[07:55:00] rinc: by typing
[07:55:00] rinc: lspci
[07:55:00] rinc: i'd be surprised if there was an x86 linux install out there without it
[07:55:00] SerratedX: i'm a n00b when it comes to most about linux, I knew little to none
[07:56:00] SerratedX: what is the hotkey to switch workspaces?
[07:56:00] rinc: i have no idea what linux desktop you are using, so how would i know
[07:56:00] rinc: hell i dont even use linux guis, they are crap
[07:56:00] SerratedX: it's knopmyth
[07:57:00] SerratedX: based off knoppiz
[07:57:00] SerratedX: knoppix*
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[07:57:00] rinc: i thought knopmyth was a frontend
[07:57:00] rinc: not a backend
[07:57:00] SerratedX: it's very possible
[07:58:00] rinc: your card is a tda8725
[07:58:00] rinc: according to this guy anyway http://www.spinics.net/lists/vfl/msg13589.html
[07:59:00] SerratedX: and that means....?
[07:59:00] rinc: well if you read the url
[07:59:00] SerratedX: not supported?
[07:59:00] rinc: it means its not supported 7 months ago... no idea about today
[08:00:00] SerratedX: shoot
[08:01:00] SerratedX: there is a patch i saw when google-in yesterday and I can't remember where it was
[08:01:00] rinc: my bro has a different avertv to me... but it also works
[08:01:00] rinc: it is not a go 007
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[08:01:00] SerratedX: hmm... lspci sees it
[08:03:00] SerratedX: it is a go 007
[08:05:00] SerratedX: //www.archivum.info/video4linux-list@redhat.com/2005-03/msg00162.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.archivum.info/video4linux-list@red . . . sg00162.html
[08:05:00] SerratedX: hrmm... now to get it on the mythbox... which has no farking browser
[08:05:00] rinc: tda8275 even
[08:05:00] rinc: no wonder google found no results
[08:06:00] rinc: you just have to look for tda8275.o in /lib/modules/
[08:06:00] SerratedX: would that patch only work for redhat or all V4L?
[08:06:00] rinc: or .so, whatever lunix is doing nowadays
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[08:07:00] rinc: i'm on osx right now... so i can't test this out, but i'm guessing "modprobe tda8275" works (doesnt error)
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[08:08:00] rinc: and after it doesnt error you can type dmesg to see what happened
[08:10:00] SerratedX: FATAL: Module tda8275 not found.
[08:13:00] rinc: yeah ok that was a stab in the dark
[08:13:00] rinc: i'd follow up with find /lib/modules -type f -exec grep -l tda8275 {} \;
[08:13:00] SerratedX: didn't hurt anything
[08:13:00] rinc: but thats just me
[08:14:00] SerratedX: i DIRed /lib/modules/ and all it came up with was 2,6,11,9-chw-2 extra misc
[08:16:00] SerratedX: it's there, Why in all of god's glory, won't it see it?!
[08:16:00] rinc: it does see it
[08:16:00] rinc: in lspci
[08:16:00] SerratedX: or utilize it
[08:16:00] SerratedX: your right, it sees, but doesnt utilize
[08:16:00] rinc: whats the top 3 lines of lsmod say
[08:17:00] SerratedX: talks about my PCI bridge and my VGA adapter
[08:17:00] SerratedX: i'm not gonna type it all
[08:17:00] rinc: then it hasnt automatically loaded a driver for the card... its quite possible knoppymyth doesnt load tv tuner drivers
[08:17:00] rinc: because its a frontend (last i checked)
[08:17:00] rinc: and frontends dont have tv tuners
[08:18:00] SerratedX: knoppmyth is supposed to be all about tvtuning
[08:18:00] SerratedX: so why whouldent it load the drivers?
[08:18:00] SerratedX: or how can I load the drivers?
[08:18:00] Lews: Is the AverMedia M150 relatively easy to get working on Myth?
[08:19:00] SerratedX: shit, I can't get the AverTV Go 007 to work
[08:19:00] SerratedX: good luck
[08:20:00] Lews: I ask because I found some references to it on the IVTV site, but only that it says it works with some other driver. However, that other driver doesn't seem to mention it
[08:20:00] rinc: serratedx: did you install knoppmyth?
[08:20:00] SerratedX: i think if I can't get this done by the time WinXPpro Downloads... I'm just going to go Win based PVR
[08:21:00] rinc: it looks to me like if you run it live, its only a frontend
[08:21:00] rinc: wise move, i dont think you're cut out for linux let alone mythtv
[08:21:00] SerratedX: yeah, I installed knoppmyth, which is supposed to be the kernal made for mythTV
[08:21:00] Lews: Well, a distro made for Myth ;-)
[08:22:00] SerratedX: I have a linux laptop that is fine, it's just this distro is giving me nothing but crap
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[08:22:00] rinc: well why did you choose knoppymyth?
[08:22:00] Lews: Which distro does your laptop run on? You could probably install Myth with that and be done faster
[08:22:00] SerratedX: all I wanted was a PVR and a friend recomended it to me. Said "Oh yeah, it's an easy open source way to do it"
[08:22:00] rinc: your friend hates you
[08:22:00] Lews: lol
[08:23:00] SerratedX: I'm runing mandrake on my laptop
[08:23:00] SerratedX: lol seriously
[08:23:00] Lews: Well, a lot of the Myth examples seem to be with Mandrake
[08:23:00] Lews: Why not use that? You have experience with it
[08:23:00] rinc: you should setup media portal or freevo... then if you decide they are crap, you will put the effort in for mythtv
[08:23:00] SerratedX: because i hate compiling programs...
[08:23:00] SerratedX: but it is worth a shot
[08:24:00] Lews: Mandrake needs stuff compiled?
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[08:24:00] SerratedX: i've always seemed to have a problem adding programs to a distro, some easy, most hard
[08:24:00] rinc: i didnt think mandrake even came with gcc
[08:24:00] SerratedX: i'm going to give mandrake a shot..
[08:24:00] rinc: ha ha
[08:24:00] SerratedX: if I can find my disk...
[08:24:00] rinc: why not go debian or ubuntu
[08:25:00] SerratedX: think they would make it any easier?
[08:25:00] Lews: There are Mandrake RPMs for Myth at http://rpm.nyvalls.se/
[08:27:00] SerratedX: all I wanted was a PVR... why god... why must you hate me so?
[08:27:00] rinc: serratedx: so why did you choose to build it yourself?
[08:27:00] rinc: theres like, 50 thousand prebuilt ones
[08:27:00] SerratedX: save money
[08:27:00] Lews: Yeah, but they cost $zomgbucks
[08:27:00] rinc: imagine how much money you are saving by sitting in doors trying to get shit working on computers
[08:27:00] SerratedX: and hours of my life
[08:28:00] rinc: it must be heaps... although your life will end eventually
[08:28:00] SerratedX: auctually, I'm tight on money because of school right now
[08:28:00] Lews: If I were you, I would find one of those "setup MythTV" guides, and do whatever the hell he did
[08:28:00] SerratedX: so, i tried to do this my way
[08:28:00] rinc: those guides are always out of date and dont cover every problem
[08:28:00] rinc: most of them still refer to 0.17 or earlier
[08:29:00] SerratedX: I checked out systm.org and did all the same stuff. they even use a AverMedia card
[08:29:00] SerratedX: but their's works, and mine doesn't
[08:29:00] Lews: What's wrong with it?
[08:29:00] SerratedX: the linux allah really hates me
[08:29:00] SerratedX: Myth wont utilize my TV card
[08:29:00] Lews: Sorry if you already said it, I missed the first part
[08:30:00] SerratedX: lspci sees it, but nothing will use it
[08:30:00] Lews: You said yours was the 007, right?
[08:30:00] SerratedX: aye
[08:30:00] Lews: That one doesn't work, as far as I know :P
[08:30:00] SerratedX: //www.archivum.info/video4linux-list@redhat.com/2005-03/msg00162.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.archivum.info/video4linux-list@red . . . sg00162.html
[08:30:00] SerratedX: they had a patch saying it worked
[08:30:00] rinc: recent patch means it might work with a recent v4l
[08:30:00] Lews: I sit corrected
[08:30:00] rinc: it is unlikely knoppmyth has a recent v4l
[08:30:00] rinc: so you'd be best off using a real distro
[08:31:00] SerratedX: but I can't get the patch on the machine because it dones't have a browser
[08:31:00] Lews: Well, you could get a card supported by mainline myth...
[08:31:00] SerratedX: and the GUI is so bare that I can't think of a way aside from wasting a CD, to get it on there
[08:31:00] rinc: whats interesting is it refers to tda8290, which is probably the driver you need to load
[08:31:00] Lews: I'm always scared of getting hardware that needs patches to the code to run
[08:32:00] SerratedX: i'm always scared to run any kind of code
[08:32:00] rinc: this is what i would do
[08:32:00] rinc: 1. install debian 2. install latest linux kernel 3. load this saa7134 driver
[08:32:00] rinc: anything pre-march wont work
[08:33:00] rinc: and patching and compiling yourself is insane
[08:33:00] Lews: Bleh...seems M150 doesn't work yet
[08:33:00] SerratedX: does the latest debian distro have the latest kernel?
[08:33:00] Lews: Now I have to find a site with the M179, or maybe Hauppauge 250...
[08:33:00] rinc: latest debian distro comes with 2.4 so no
[08:33:00] rinc: thats why step 2 is install latest linux kernel
[08:34:00] SerratedX: shit... i'm going to get sooo lost doing that...
[08:34:00] rinc: apt-get -y install kernel-image-2.6.11–686
[08:34:00] rinc: its pretty hard i know
[08:34:00] SerratedX: for is it is
[08:34:00] SerratedX: for me it is*
[08:34:00] rinc: thats why i recommend ubuntu... but even that probably doesnt have your patch
[08:35:00] rinc: although it does have 2.6
[08:35:00] rinc: so its got a better chance
[08:35:00] SerratedX: do i have to download it and than run that command, or should it auto DL?
[08:35:00] rinc: auto
[08:36:00] rinc: actually knoppix is debian based, so chances are you've already done step 1
[08:36:00] Lews: I don't know Debian, will that give Serr a precompiled bzImage? Or will he have to compile it?
[08:36:00] SerratedX: should I try to just update the kernel?
[08:37:00] SerratedX: right now?
[08:37:00] Lews: Might be easier to pop for the $30 and get a well supported card
[08:37:00] SerratedX: i just spent 40 on this one
[08:37:00] rinc: precompiled bzimage
[08:37:00] rinc: with modules
[08:37:00] Lews: Eh, well, good luck
[08:38:00] rinc: lews: it would seem serratedx considers his time worthless
[08:38:00] Lews: rinc: If he doesn't have enough money, not much he can do about it
[08:38:00] rinc: id probably go buy the other one knowing that one day my first card will work
[08:38:00] SerratedX: i really don't know how to take that...
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[08:38:00] Lews: Serr: you could return or eBay the thing
[08:39:00] rinc: or give it away as a present
[08:39:00] rinc: my second dvb-t card i got from someone who coudlnt get it working in linux
[08:39:00] Lews: Who would want a PCI tuner card as a present?
[08:39:00] rinc: works great in linux
[08:39:00] Lews: I mean, besides us
[08:39:00] rinc: people who want to be cool like us
[08:39:00] Lews: heh
[08:39:00] gnarface: god damn blizzard
[08:40:00] Lews: Does the AverMedia M179 give a pretty good image quality?
[08:40:00] SerratedX: rinc – when I tried to run the kernel update i got the error e: couldent find package
[08:40:00] rinc: serratedx: type apt-get update ; apt-get search kernel-image | grep 686
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[08:42:00] SerratedX: I'm just going to give microsoft my soul now and throw in the towel
[08:42:00] Lews: lol
[08:42:00] rinc: m179 works great
[08:42:00] Lews: You'll be back when you can't get this card working in Windows either :P
[08:42:00] SerratedX: probably...
[08:43:00] rinc: naw tv cards always work first go in windows
[08:43:00] SerratedX: http://www.gbpvr.com/
[08:43:00] rinc: but windows tv software sucks
[08:43:00] SerratedX: i'm going to give that a show
[08:43:00] SerratedX: shoT*
[08:43:00] Lews: Assuming the company bothered to write a good driver
[08:43:00] SerratedX: looks decent
[08:43:00] ** gnarface is still waiting for the triumphant return of the Amiga **
[08:44:00] Lews: That doesn't support the card you have...
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[08:45:00] Majestic12: how do you test for a video card I dont know if fedora is seeing it.
[08:45:00] rinc: i thought gbpvr ran on all the little linux media players
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[08:46:00] Lews: Majestic12: lspci, I think
[08:47:00] Lews: rinc: it says Win 2000 or XP
[08:47:00] rinc: oh its the server for those little media players
[08:47:00] rinc: i see it doesnt support the prismiq i just bought
[08:47:00] rinc: so boo
[08:48:00] gnarface: lspci
[08:48:00] Majestic12: lspci it says command not found
[08:49:00] Lews: Hm... "cat /proc/pci | less" maybe
[08:51:00] Majestic12: Lews: don't see any video stuff in there ....
[08:51:00] Majestic12: hmmm
[08:51:00] Lews: Well, the output from that command always looks wierd
[08:52:00] Lews: What card is it?
[08:52:00] Majestic12: pvr-150
[08:52:00] Lews: Are you using the development version of IVTV?
[08:53:00] Majestic12: yea
[08:53:00] Majestic12: .3
[08:53:00] Majestic12: or .03
[08:53:00] Lews: And there aren't any /dev/video* devices?
[08:54:00] SarahEmm: Majestic12: err, .3?
[08:54:00] SarahEmm: what's the version?
[08:54:00] Majestic12: Lews: I don't see /dev/video
[08:55:00] Lews: I mean, /dev/video0, /dev/video1, etc. Not a file named /dev/video
[08:55:00] Majestic12: SarahEmm: 0.3.51–92
[08:55:00] Majestic12: I don't see a video directory
[08:56:00] SerratedX: ahhh shoot... the box i built really isn't ment for WinXP... too slow... crap on a stick...
[08:57:00] Lews: SerratedX: You're having bloody poor luck
[08:57:00] SerratedX: yeah I am... I think I should just go back to using a VCR...
[08:57:00] Lews: lol
[08:58:00] Majestic12: I guess you've never had the tape run out?
[08:58:00] SerratedX: alright, i think i have bugged you all enough... i'll figure it all out later
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[08:58:00] rinc: i used to use vcr
[08:58:00] SerratedX: g'night
[08:58:00] rinc: from command line, its great
[08:58:00] Lews: night
[08:59:00] Lews: Good luck with it Serr
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[08:59:00] gnarface: anyone use vlc
[08:59:00] gnarface: ?
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[09:05:00] gnarface: once upon a time in mexico: good damn movie
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[09:58:00] Majestic12: Is there a way to get fedora to look for a capture card?
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[10:05:00] johnp_: lspci -v ?
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[10:28:00] Araldit: I want to use different fonts and colors. Is there a configuration file somewhere which I can edit. I also want to translate something differently.
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[10:36:00] Majestic12_: do i need a tv out car if I just want to watch on my monitor?
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[10:40:00] Araldi1: Anyone know How to change the font, color, text and all of that in mythtv.. Sorry but my power just went missing, so Im double posting here
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[10:46:00] SarahEmm: Majestic12_: no, only for... output... to a TV. :)
[10:46:00] Majestic12_: k
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[10:52:00] iluciv: hi I just installed a new kernel on my knoppmyth box need help editing lilo to boot new kernel anyone??
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[11:05:00] gnarface: man compiling vlc has become a circular dependency nightmare.
[11:06:00] gnarface: those fucking jokers must be doing it on purpose.
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[12:57:00] mrproper_: Im having a problem with auto transcoding, it fails and the mythbackend reports: Unknown video codec:
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[13:02:00] sysco: hi
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[13:05:00] mrproper_: hi
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[13:12:00] akaias: i'm still settting up a mythtv box but now i'm getting database connection errors. i've tried password changes and resets and i still get the 1045 error. any ideas?
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[13:17:00] dedalus: hi
[13:18:00] dedalus: does anyone have a xorg config with tv only screen
[13:18:00] dedalus: and a nvidia5200
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[14:02:00] ** CyberKnet contemplates **
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[14:06:00] CyberKnet: So I noticed someone suggest that pictures should be taken of SarahEmm's new pvr-500 before she put it into her myth box. Any particular reason?
[14:08:00] Beirdo: yeah
[14:09:00] CyberKnet: I took photos of mine last night
[14:09:00] Beirdo: so if she needed to identify something on the card, she didn't have to pull it back out
[14:10:00] laga: re
[14:10:00] CyberKnet: I thought there might have been a card database or something =)
[14:11:00] CyberKnet: re
[14:11:00] Beirdo: not that I know of, but you can start one :)
[14:12:00] laga: put the pictures in your gallery at www.mythtvtalk.com ;)
[14:15:00] mrproper_: dedalus: yeah i do
[14:15:00] mrproper_: dedalus: how are you outputting to your tv
[14:15:00] CyberKnet: The tuners appear to be NTSC/NTSC-J 23552 REV D492
[14:16:00] CyberKnet: I didn't get time to drop it in last night. likely wont have time until the weekend.
[14:16:00] CyberKnet: but I remain hopeful =)
[14:19:00] CyberKnet: it came with one of the expansion thingies to get the other inputs
[14:19:00] CyberKnet: has two connectors, so could in theory use another one too.
[14:20:00] CyberKnet: in practice I'll only be using the tv RF input.
[14:27:00] sphing: is there a tv timed ntp server?
[14:29:00] laga: sphing: that is a tv timed ntp server?
[14:30:00] CyberKnet: laga: he means an ntp server that is synced to the same time that his tv networks are at.
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[14:30:00] CyberKnet: laga: I guess he doesn't realize that the tv networks are anything but organized, and also anything except on time.
[14:30:00] laga: heh
[14:32:00] sphing: lol...
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[14:49:00] GreyFoxx: That Myxer theme is starting to look pretty with all of the variations
[14:56:00] laga: # Misc Features
[14:56:00] laga: DVD playback no
[14:57:00] laga: what's this? will mythdvd be able to use mythtvs internal player?
[14:57:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[14:58:00] GreyFoxx: Gecko starting working on it
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[14:58:00] GreyFoxx: I think he said it should work at least somewhat now if only for the maintitle
[14:58:00] GreyFoxx: but it will use libdvdnav for menu navigation
[14:58:00] GreyFoxx: You need that installed first to enable it
[14:59:00] laga: ok, thank you.
[14:59:00] GreyFoxx: I compiled it intomine but haven't tried it yet :)
[14:59:00] laga: sounds like i don't want to use it yet ;)
[14:59:00] GreyFoxx: Best way to find the bugs :)
[15:00:00] laga: i don't care, xine works fine for me ;)
[15:00:00] GreyFoxx: heh
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[15:14:00] sphing: in the program guide... is there a way to have enter change the channel?
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[15:19:00] CyberKnet: I applied a bios update the other day... and my network stopped working. It could get a dhcp lease and all, but couldn't ping anything, and couldn't resolve anything.
[15:19:00] CyberKnet: weird ass bios updates.
[15:20:00] CyberKnet: you can bet your last dollar I rolled *that* update back.
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[15:34:00] GeckoFiend: sphing take a look in the settings for the program guide. it's kinda trciky becase the setting is named funny..... something like "select changes channel"  :-p
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[16:15:00] GeckoFiend: sphing I think you missed this: GeckoFiend sphing take a look in the settings for the program guide. it's kinda trciky becase the setting is named funny..... something like "select changes channel"  :-p
[16:15:00] GeckoFiend: you left right as I sent it earlier
[16:24:00] reel: sphing: you are in gainesville?
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[16:37:00] tcube: I experienced choppy audio only on KQED channel and all of its subchannels. anyone has similar experience and has a work around to this problem?
[16:39:00] Chutt: 'extra audio buffering' is enabled?
[16:40:00] tcube: yes
[16:41:00] tcube: there is a similar post a while back but no one seems to respond to this problem , the link : //www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/msg27122.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-users@myth . . . sg27122.html
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[16:43:00] rjune: honey: hiya
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[16:43:00] tcube: and if I tune to this channel for testing. it is most likely to cause video corrupt if I tune to other channel afterwards
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[16:43:00] honey: hello rjune :) i was just trying to get mythtv going on my older version of FC3 in preparation for FC3 – and failing miserably
[16:44:00] rjune: heh
[16:44:00] honey: for FC4, rather
[16:44:00] rjune: well, I got good news and bad news for you
[16:44:00] rjune: good news is it's well on it's way
[16:44:00] honey: well it's all bad here, so
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[16:44:00] rjune: bad news is I had to fix a livna pkg bug before I can finish building myth
[16:44:00] honey: oh, that's not so good. so you're talkng to Anvil?
[16:45:00] rjune: when he shows up
[16:45:00] rjune: http://bugzilla.livna.org/show_bug.cgi?id=474
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[16:45:00] rjune: it's a stupid bug
[16:45:00] rjune: I don't understand how it happened
[16:46:00] braniff: how do i remotely restart the network device i'm using to connect to a linux machine ??
[16:47:00] honey: hmm, yeah
[16:47:00] braniff: as soon as i would do "ifconfig eth0 down" i would be disconnected...
[16:48:00] GreyFoxx: braniff: Why would you want to just shutdown and restart the interface ?
[16:48:00] GreyFoxx: You COULD reboot the system if it's truly needed
[16:48:00] honey: well rjune, i'm using dvb which further complicates my problem. it worked last time i used it
[16:48:00] braniff: heh yeah i could reboot it
[16:48:00] braniff: remotely
[16:48:00] reel: braniff would command1 && command2 work?
[16:48:00] rjune: honey: I had to strip out firewire support
[16:49:00] honey: rjune, that's ok with me :)
[16:49:00] braniff: reel: dunno --- i will try that and see
[16:49:00] reel: well i don't want you to be locked out if you aren't local
[16:49:00] reel: not definite :)
[16:50:00] rjune: honey: ok, it'll be up today then
[16:50:00] honey: i'm getting "DVB#0 ERROR – Could not find dvb tuning parameters for transport 0"
[16:50:00] honey: and mythtvsetup just *hangs* at startup
[16:50:00] braniff: reel: i was not disconnected upon typing "ifconfig eth0 down && ifconfig eth0 up"
[16:50:00] reel: did it restart it?
[16:51:00] honey: i then get "DVB#0 ERROR – Failed to get channel options for channel 3." – so unsure if it's having problems seeing the source, or a specific channel problem
[16:51:00] honey: if anyone can advise.
[16:51:00] honey: tzap/mplayer works fine, so the setup's basically working
[16:52:00] braniff: reel: dunno, but doesn't look like it — i will just reboot it
[16:52:00] reel: ok
[16:52:00] reel: probably easiest
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[16:54:00] honey: rjune, if you have any ideas. i'd like to see it working again in FC3 before i complicate you with possible feedback on your FC4 version.
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[17:19:00] CyberKnet: yep.
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[17:22:00] xris: what messed-up weather. first supposed to rain, then not, then rain, then not....
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[17:25:00] CyberKnet: xris: sounds like seattle...
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[17:28:00] xris: CyberKnet: pretty much.
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[17:35:00] Peit|work: is there anyone here familiar with multiple backends, and ensuring that transcodes only take place on one backend?
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[17:45:00] CyberKnet: not I
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[17:56:00] hadeees: does anyone know a really really really good and really really low profile cpu heat sink for a socket A motherboard
[17:58:00] CyberKnet: hmm... not I
[17:58:00] CyberKnet: water cooled, maybe? =)
[17:59:00] hadeees: CyberKnet, not really an option
[17:59:00] hadeees: is there anyway to test your case for negitive pressure
[17:59:00] hadeees: i tried to set it up that way
[17:59:00] CyberKnet: hadeees: smoke a cigarette around it and see where the smoke goes.
[18:00:00] CyberKnet: =P"
[18:00:00] hadeees: CyberKnet, i guess thats one way
[18:00:00] CyberKnet: air goes in, air goes out
[18:00:00] hadeees: CyberKnet, yeah but if you do it right your case will suck in air
[18:00:00] hadeees: with out a fan
[18:00:00] hadeees: sucking it in that is
[18:01:00] CyberKnet: hadeees: any case with only fans exhausting will do that.
[18:01:00] hadeees: CyberKnet, not everyone, they have to be designed correctly also
[18:01:00] CyberKnet: Personally I mount a fan sucking air in and a fan pushing air out.
[18:02:00] hadeees: CyberKnet, i used to do that my htpc sits in suck a cramped space like a reciver that i think that blowing all the hot air i can out is better
[18:02:00] hadeees: such not suck
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[18:35:00] CyberKnet: hadeees: why wear your fans out faster by making them work harder to push the same amount of air? inefficient intake will lead to air coming in where you may not necessarily want it to.
[18:36:00] CyberKnet: hadeees: for instance, my sonata has holes along the back of it that if I set my fans to just exhaust would have air coming in right where it is going out.
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[18:36:00] CyberKnet: having a fan on the front as intake allows my hdd, my cpu and video card all to get cooled by the air as it flows from front to back... and those holes I mentioned have almost no recirculation because of it.
[18:36:00] CyberKnet: it's a net gain.
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[18:40:00] jonK_: i saw a slashdot post of a case constructued entirely from fans — and they wall worked
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[19:03:00] CyberKnet: jonK_: heh
[19:04:00] CyberKnet: jonK_: do you own your own practice?
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[19:23:00] ** CyberKnet searches for a command line browser other than lynx **
[19:26:00] LostSole: CyberKnet: telnet port 80? ;)
[19:29:00] CyberKnet: LostSole: not quite... but maybe I might have to =)
[19:29:00] CyberKnet: although the manual digest authentication could be a bitch =)
[19:29:00] LostSole: CyberKnet: what are you trying to do?
[19:31:00] Baylink: wget?
[19:31:00] rtsai: w3m
[19:31:00] rtsai: links
[19:32:00] CyberKnet: trying elinks
[19:33:00] CyberKnet: trying to reconfigure my LinkSys router =)
[19:33:00] CyberKnet: lynx javascript support is ... well, it's not supposed to do this kind of thing.
[19:33:00] Baylink: Yeah, wget might be your solution.
[19:34:00] CyberKnet: wget for reconfiguring a linksys router?
[19:35:00] Baylink: Could be.
[19:35:00] Baylink: Everything's a retrievable URL, right?
[19:35:00] rtsai: No.
[19:35:00] Baylink: Isn't there a commandline package for this already somewhere?
[19:35:00] rtsai: Stuff gets POSTed
[19:35:00] Baylink: You can POST with wget
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: the forms are all controlled via javascript
[19:36:00] CyberKnet: I suppose I might have to just wait until I can get a real browser =)
[19:36:00] rtsai: no ssh tunnel?
[19:37:00] Baylink: Unlikely
[19:37:00] CyberKnet: I could ssh tunnel if I really wanted to
[19:37:00] Baylink: No commandline interpreter
[19:37:00] Baylink: Oh: sorry, got it. Nevermind.
[19:37:00] GreyFoxx: ssh tunneling is your friend :)
[19:37:00] ** rtsai is tunneling right now **
[19:38:00] ** GreyFoxx curses his local power company for keeping him oni hold **
[19:40:00] CyberKnet: okay. tunnel open
[19:40:00] CyberKnet: now to see if I can start konq or moz without too much trouble
[19:41:00] GreyFoxx: do you mean portforwarding/tunneling or X forwarding ? You should be able to do a simple portforward over the ssh connection and run your local brower and port it to the forwarded port
[19:42:00] rtsai: yes, portforwarding is the way to go. X is too slow.
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[19:46:00] CyberKnet: Hmm... I meant X forwarding.
[19:46:00] CyberKnet: X is VERY slow =)
[19:48:00] GreyFoxx: quite
[19:48:00] GreyFoxx: all you need is portforwarding, no need to export a remote graphic app :)
[19:49:00] ** GreyFoxx bitch slaps a customer for escalating a info request to a level 1 severity. I'm sorry but "I really wanna know" is not a high priority *sigh* **
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[19:51:00] sphing: haha
[19:51:00] CyberKnet: that port forwarding is nice.
[19:51:00] CyberKnet: much much faster.
[19:51:00] GreyFoxx: The ticket had been in the system for less than 2 hours before the guy changed it to a level 1 and little said "I was asked to escalate this because I really need to know"
[19:52:00] GreyFoxx: *sigh*
[19:52:00] CyberKnet: heh
[19:53:00] sphing: is there a way.. from the program guide to go directly to that channel?
[19:54:00] CyberKnet: gah. if only I had remembered to set the other machine *not* to dhcp I wouldn't be in this mess.
[19:55:00] GreyFoxx: sping: Hit m/Menu again after highlighting the channel
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[19:56:00] GreyFoxx: I know it's counter intuitive :)
[19:56:00] GreyFoxx: Enter brings up a menu of options, and menu picks the channel hjehe
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[19:56:00] sphing: hehe.. ok i was so mad when i thought i couldn't
[19:57:00] sphing: btw is there any docs on the myth plugins?
[19:57:00] sphing: i just want a pluging to play my mp3's
[19:57:00] sphing: that is all
[19:58:00] kormoc: mythmusic
[19:58:00] sphing: where is that
[19:58:00] kormoc: google knows.
[19:58:00] kormoc: it's in the myth plugin package tho if you don't want to bother googling.
[19:59:00] sphing: ... its done.. thanks
[19:59:00] sphing: is it any good?
[20:00:00] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx/rtsai... thanks for the port forwarding tip. it worked flawlessly.
[20:00:00] kormoc: depends on the user
[20:00:00] kormoc: some love it, some hate it, some meh it
[20:01:00] CyberKnet: some love to hate it, some hate to love it.
[20:01:00] CyberKnet: some even make love to it, so I hear.
[20:01:00] CyberKnet: where "to it" is "to the music it plays"
[20:01:00] Chutt: and some don't use the playlist editor when they want to edit their playlists, and so don't understand how it works
[20:02:00] CyberKnet: If you dont use the playlist editor to edit your playlist.... I imagine that makes editing the playlist quite difficult.
[20:02:00] Chutt: in fact, it rather does
[20:03:00] CyberKnet: I prefer higher resolutions for formulating playlists.
[20:03:00] CyberKnet: that's just my taste though.
[20:04:00] CyberKnet: and my crappy SDTV ;)
[20:04:00] CyberKnet: saw a 16:9 HDTV at walmart last night for five hundred bucks... think it was about a 32"
[20:04:00] CyberKnet: had a few scuffs on it. very tempting.
[20:04:00] sphing: how long does it take to change channels for everyone?
[20:04:00] CyberKnet: sphing: I dunno. I never change channels.
[20:05:00] CyberKnet: Chutt's program here works so well that I never watch live tv.
[20:05:00] sphing: CyberKnet: wtf?
[20:05:00] ** CyberKnet appreciates the hell out of MythTV **
[20:06:00] sphing: how do you a season pass?
[20:06:00] sphing: "record every day at the same time"
[20:06:00] Chutt: why would you want to record every day at the same time?
[20:06:00] sphing: ... a season?
[20:06:00] CyberKnet: Chutt: because he doesn't understan the power of guide data.
[20:06:00] Chutt: you'll get tons of stuff you didn't intend to record
[20:07:00] Chutt: sphing, and a single show is shown at the exact same time every day of the week, and it's never moved or preempted?
[20:07:00] sphing: no
[20:07:00] Chutt: then you don't want to 'record every day at the same time'
[20:07:00] sphing: not on food channel at least
[20:07:00] kormoc: sphing, it takes maybe 10 to 15 sec to change the channel on myself.
[20:07:00] Chutt: food channel changes their schedules regularly
[20:07:00] sphing: not good eats
[20:07:00] kormoc: indeed
[20:07:00] sphing: every day at 7
[20:07:00] kormoc: so tell it you want good eats
[20:08:00] kormoc: and it'll get them all
[20:08:00] kormoc: and when they change/show specals/etc
[20:08:00] kormoc: you'll still get them
[20:08:00] sphing: ... how?
[20:08:00] sphing: i agree that makes the most sense...
[20:08:00] Chutt: uh
[20:08:00] Chutt: you need to read the website
[20:08:00] sphing: fair enough
[20:08:00] Chutt: hell, you just need to look at the screenshots
[20:16:00] sphing: kormoc: is there anything we can do to speed it up?
[20:17:00] kormoc: sphing, as far as I know, nope, but as with almost everyone, very very few people watch live tv anymore with myth.
[20:17:00] sphing: i just got my setup 100% this morning
[20:17:00] sphing: so i hope you're right
[20:17:00] kormoc: just make a list of shows you want to watch and have it go
[20:19:00] sphing: yea thats what I did
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[20:22:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: did you know that niveus discontinued the remote
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[20:23:00] chefkoch-2oo2: is there a debian amd64 package of mythtv available? cant find a repos for sources.list ;-(
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[20:32:00] sphing: GreyFoxx: menu.. is the equivalent of exit
[20:32:00] sphing: it doesn't actually select the show
[20:32:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: It does on my system
[20:32:00] GreyFoxx: or at least it did last time I tried it which was several months ago (I don't use livetv )
[20:33:00] GreyFoxx: sphing: I suspected since it was no longer in their online store
[20:33:00] GreyFoxx: but pcalchemy still has a couple
[20:33:00] sphing: ah
[20:33:00] GreyFoxx: just means the next system I setup for someone might have to have lirc
[20:34:00] GreyFoxx: but I'm looking at a remote from agerman online site that has a built in full flip open keyboard  :)
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[20:34:00] GreyFoxx: Something to play with
[20:34:00] ** GreyFoxx notes the time and runs out **
[20:34:00] univac: hello
[20:35:00] CyberKnet: the niveus remote is discontinued?
[20:35:00] sphing: yup
[20:35:00] ** GreyFoxx runs to a meeting **
[20:37:00] CyberKnet: crap
[20:37:00] ** CyberKnet visits the niveus website **
[20:39:00] univac: Does anyone know how to fix a flickering OSD? It was ok with mythtv .16 on fc2, but not with .18.1 on fc4.
[20:41:00] CyberKnet: so it looks like pcalchemy still has stock of that remote.
[20:43:00] CyberKnet: sphing: you already have the remote?
[20:49:00] sphing: yea
[20:49:00] sphing: its really nice
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[20:49:00] sphing: from the program guide... what key plays the highlighted show?
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[20:50:00] CyberKnet: sphing: how far away before it gets unreliable?
[20:50:00] sphing: let me se...
[20:50:00] CyberKnet: sphing: M
[20:50:00] sphing: ok..
[20:51:00] sphing: if your receiver is on top of the tv
[20:52:00] sphing: 50 feet through like 3 walls
[20:52:00] sphing: like i walked out of my apartment.. and it still worked
[20:53:00] CyberKnet: hmmm. that sounds reasonable.
[20:53:00] CyberKnet: I need to put my pc a long way from my TV =)
[20:53:00] sphing: CyberKnet: no, M doesnt work for me
[20:53:00] CyberKnet: sphing: hmmm... in live tv, press S to get the guide up, select another channel, then M should return to the selected show I thought...
[20:54:00] sphing: ok one sec
[20:56:00] sphing: CyberKnet: yea if you're in live tv yes, but if you got to program guide through menu... no
[20:56:00] CyberKnet: sphing: that is correct
[20:57:00] CyberKnet: sphing: I do not know of a way to get to live tv from the guide when you went in through the menu.
[20:57:00] CyberKnet: load live tv first, then go into the guide.
[20:59:00] sphing: yea... thats all i cared about
[20:59:00] CyberKnet: thanks for testing the range of the remote for me =)
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[21:04:00] sphing: yea no prob
[21:04:00] sphing: i moved it to the living room, so i'm running back and forth
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[21:06:00] CyberKnet: heh
[21:06:00] CyberKnet: nice =)
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[21:13:00] Do|emite: Howdy
[21:13:00] Do|emite: Anybody else here using a WinTV-PVR 500MCE with Myth?
[21:14:00] jonK: many are-- what did you need to know?
[21:14:00] Do|emite: I am having an odd problem... when I record a program the recordings get split into numerous files and they don't fall on the commercial marks
[21:15:00] Do|emite: So I'm wondering if anybody else has seen this with the 500MCE? I had a 250 in the box before this and never saw that problem.
[21:15:00] jonK: can you use all three tuners?
[21:15:00] Do|emite: I can use both tuners... the 250 is no longer in that box
[21:15:00] jonK: did you ever have both in the same box?
[21:15:00] Do|emite: no
[21:16:00] CyberKnet: Do|emite: you dont have any transcode settings?
[21:16:00] jonK: I have a 350 and a 500, with 350 in the box, i can only get one of the 500 tuners to modprobe correctly
[21:16:00] Do|emite: I'm transcoding from the 720x480 to I believe 480x480
[21:17:00] Do|emite: You think it may be the transcoding process that's borked?
[21:17:00] Do|emite: I may start a job with no transcoding just to see if I get the same problem. I just got the 500 card this weekend.
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[21:18:00] CyberKnet: I also just got a 500, but I haven't put it in the machine yet.
[21:18:00] Do|emite: The hardest part was getting ivtv drivers working
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[21:18:00] ** CyberKnet currently has two m179s **
[21:18:00] Do|emite: I have the newest firmware, which there seems to be the least documentation on
[21:19:00] jonK: cyber, you're 500 has arrived?
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[21:20:00] Do|emite: Maybe next weekend I'll even try to get my Firefly remote working with it
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[21:21:00] Do|emite: Ah, well, I think I'll try a non-transcoded job and see if that fixes it. Thanks for the idea.
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[21:22:00] CyberKnet: jonK: It arrived yesterday.
[21:22:00] CyberKnet: jonK: Ordered Sunday evening, shipped monday afternoon, arrived at my place yesterday at 3:30.,
[21:22:00] CyberKnet: jonK: I got the "free" shipping, too.
[21:22:00] whimboo: Hi. When I want to export a movie with nuvexport I get an error "pipe:: Error while opening file" when ffmpeg is started. mythtranscode created the pipe. Anyone knows what happens?
[21:23:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: I dont use nuvexport, sorry.
[21:23:00] jonK: mine shipped from northern texas somewhere, so im not surprised
[21:23:00] whimboo: CyberKnet: is nuvexport the only way to export a video from mythtv?
[21:24:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: depends on what capture card recorded them.
[21:24:00] CyberKnet: jonK: Shipped from Dallas
[21:24:00] whimboo: CyberKnet: I have a analog hauppauge
[21:24:00] CyberKnet: jonK: I was very surprised to get it so quickly. I wasn't expecting it until the end of next week
[21:24:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: model
[21:25:00] whimboo: CyberKnet: 878 with radio
[21:25:00] Araldit: I have a rather large collection on MP3 songs and using mythmusic in the playlist is fine. However I like the ID3 info, so I want all the songs with the right tag in them. Its timeconsuming to do them all by hand, so is there somewhere I can find a script or gui that can do this for me? Like Music Match super tagger og easytag for linux (Sucks).... Other alternatives would be nice?
[21:25:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: probably not, but it is probably the easiest. xris or Beirdo might be able to help you with nuvexport... they are the authors.
[21:25:00] kormoc: Araldit, music brainz works with crossover office 4.2
[21:26:00] CyberKnet: Araldit: I set all my id3 tags by hand. *shrug*
[21:26:00] whimboo: CyberKnet: thank you
[21:26:00] CyberKnet: I only had maybe a hundred or so that were not tagged.
[21:26:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: no problem.
[21:27:00] whimboo: xris, Beirdo: Hi. When I want to export a movie with nuvexport I get an error "pipe:: Error while opening file" when ffmpeg is started. mythtranscode created the pipe. Do you know what happens here?
[21:27:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: the reason I asked model is because huppage also make cards with hardware mpeg encoders. The recordings from those cards you dont need to export at all, they're already MPEG2.
[21:27:00] Araldit: CyberKnet: Thx. And it does the job fine then
[21:27:00] CyberKnet: Araldit: ?
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[21:28:00] whimboo: CyberKnet: so normal recording saves the stream as mpeg1?
[21:29:00] Araldit: CyberKnet: Sorry meant kormoc
[21:29:00] Araldit: kormoc: thx
[21:29:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, it's still in a nuv container which mplayer and co have issues with, no?
[21:29:00] kormoc: Araldit, your welcome
[21:29:00] jonK: cyber, i was going to bring that up, does haupagge sell non hardware encoder cards?
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[21:30:00] kormoc: jonK, yup, they sold at least some bt based cards.
[21:30:00] jonK: i think i've just changed the extension from .nuv to .mpg and had no issue playing them
[21:30:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: I can transfer the .nuv from the linux box xstraight over into windows and play it, no filters needed. I can also play it into mplayer no additional codec filters needed.
[21:30:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: it's just named .nuv
[21:30:00] firelord: Anyone have any experience setting myth tv up with a sattelite dish? Is it even possible?
[21:31:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: define "normal encoding"
[21:31:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, fair nuff, my bttv records into the .nuv with mpeg4 as the main codec, and mplayer barfs on it at the moment.
[21:31:00] CyberKnet: firelord: you'll need an ir blaster, and you'll need to hook a capture card up to the SVIDEO out of the satellite dish
[21:32:00] sphing: is there a myth windows port?
[21:32:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: yeah, the mpeg4 is still in a nuv container. but the mpeg2 fro the ivtv cards is just straight output from the card.
[21:32:00] CyberKnet: sphing: no
[21:32:00] whimboo: CyberKnet: then it will be encoded in mpeg2?
[21:32:00] firelord: CyberKnet: ir blaster handles changing the through the sattelite box?
[21:32:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: thus, 'cat /dev/video0 >test.mpg' works
[21:32:00] CyberKnet: firelord: Yes.
[21:32:00] kormoc: sphing, there's winmyth and other projects which attempt it, but none are really working at the moment.
[21:32:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: you're not making sense.
[21:33:00] firelord: CyberKnet: any good web resources for this sort of thing that you are aware of?
[21:33:00] CyberKnet: firelord: try mythtv.info, mythtv.org and wilsonet.com
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[21:33:00] firelord: CyberKnet: ok. Thanks for your input.
[21:33:00] CyberKnet: you might try mythtvtalk.[com|org] as well.
[21:33:00] CyberKnet: firelord: no problem.
[21:33:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: back to you now...
[21:34:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: your bt878 card will only work with software encoding.
[21:34:00] whimboo: CyberKnet: What I tried to say, is it possible to save it directly as mpeg2?
[21:34:00] whimboo: yes i know
[21:34:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: If you upgrade to a hardware card then you can get mpeg2.
[21:34:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: other than that, nuvexport for you to get it into a format another machine can read.
[21:34:00] whimboo: so software encoding isn't prefered
[21:34:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: I do not prefer it.
[21:35:00] whimboo: ok, that I wanted to hear. ;)
[21:35:00] kormoc: whimboo, I would say it's not.
[21:35:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: the picture quality was better for me when I switched to a hardware card.
[21:35:00] jonK: no, in addition, the hardware encoding cards offload work from the processor
[21:35:00] kormoc: given it eats cpu, lower quality picture, etc.
[21:35:00] jonK: (given the s/w card eats cpu)
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[21:36:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: if you want a hardware card, look for: hauppauge models PVR-150, PVR-250, PVR-250MCE or PVR-500
[21:36:00] whimboo: CyberKnet: How much disk space I can save normally when it is encoded in mpeg2?
[21:36:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: no idea, I never recorded with a bt878 card.
[21:36:00] kormoc: depends on the bitrate
[21:36:00] Chutt: hardware recordings are larger than software once
[21:36:00] CyberKnet: I only watched live tv on the bt878 before deciding it was complete crap.
[21:36:00] kormoc: I get 400 megs a hour on my bttv card
[21:36:00] kormoc: but I use low quality.
[21:36:00] Chutt: by about a factor of 2 for equivalent qualities
[21:36:00] jonK: I'm using 2.2 gb per hour of data off the hardware card
[21:36:00] jonK: at highest quality
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[21:37:00] CyberKnet: whimboo: listen to Chutt. he is always right =)
[21:37:00] jonK: but with 600 gb in the video dir, i don't so much mind :)
[21:37:00] whimboo: jonK: wow, thats with mpeg2?
[21:37:00] jonK: y
[21:37:00] jonK: y=yes
[21:37:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: your disk usage will go way up when you get the m179s =)
[21:37:00] kormoc: Chutt, actually, xris's good eat recordings are smaller, at 150s megs a half hour and look way way better then mine, and they are off his 150.
[21:38:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, yeah, I need new drives
[21:38:00] whimboo: jonK: wow, I really wast disk space with mpeg.
[21:38:00] kormoc: tho I'm stuck in a hard place
[21:38:00] kormoc: to get new drives, I need a new raid controler.
[21:38:00] CyberKnet: xris gets 150 megabytes for a half hour untranscoded?
[21:38:00] kormoc: cost ++
[21:38:00] xris: CyberKnet: xvid
[21:38:00] CyberKnet: xris: That makes sense.
[21:39:00] jonK: ahh afternoon thunderstorms
[21:39:00] CyberKnet: xris: I was gonna say... I think you are watching at some horiffically low bitrate & resolution =P
[21:39:00] xris: nah, I record them big.. about 1.3G per half-hour
[21:39:00] CyberKnet: that's about what I get
[21:39:00] CyberKnet: a bit lower, but not too much.
[21:40:00] ** CyberKnet averages about 2.2 gigabytes per hour **
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[21:40:00] jonK: me too
[21:41:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: Yeah, I want a new raid controller too, but I think I'll end up going kernel raid instead.
[21:41:00] Majestic12: Fedora can't seem to find my pvr-150 But Ubuntu sees a iTVC16 CX23416 Mpeg-2 encoder!
[21:41:00] ** CyberKnet has been salivating over the LSI MegaRaid SATA 150–4 for some time now **
[21:41:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, my plan is to get a new 3ware controler, like maybe the 6 disk one, get 4 drives, raid 5 them, and then my current 3ware with the dual 120 gigs will go in christina, my mythbox/webserver/etc and be used for storage of myth content.
[21:41:00] dant: I've been thinking of getting a 3ware 9500 8 way jobby, but, that plus 8 decent size disks works out a bit too pricy
[21:42:00] kormoc: dant, and it's a 64 bit pci slot too, isn't it?
[21:42:00] CyberKnet: dant: 3ware jobbies are very expensive. but you get what you pay for.
[21:43:00] Chutt: kormoc, can't count transcoding :p
[21:43:00] Majestic12: anyone know a good ubuntu mythtv howto?
[21:43:00] CyberKnet: with hardware encoding, I think I can afford the performance hit that kernel raid has in conjunction with a 2.1Ghz cpu
[21:43:00] dant: kormoc, I'd hope so...
[21:43:00] dant: CyberKnet, indeed
[21:43:00] whimboo: xris: I have a problem with nuvexport. When ffmpeg is forked i get an error: "pipe:: Error while opening file" The pipes are created. what should i do?
[21:43:00] kormoc: Chutt, all I got was the end results, hence why he said how much they were before hand :)
[21:44:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, they are gonna go in a dual p3 500 for myself, not much power there to waste :)
[21:44:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: soon you'll be a citizen of HardwareEncodingLand =)
[21:44:00] kormoc: yay!
[21:44:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: I would think so, yes.
[21:44:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: I just hate to half ass things, so using kernel raid runs against my grain. It really bothers me. It's very illogical.
[21:45:00] jonK: majestic, i'm running myth on ubuntu, there was a mythtv guide someone did in the ubuntuforums.org board
[21:45:00] jonK: i'm running ubuntu, what problem are you running into
[21:45:00] CyberKnet: erm... running kernel raid is not illogical. not wanting to is illogical =)
[21:45:00] CyberKnet: in my case.
[21:46:00] whimboo: Majestic12: It's for a pvr-350 but perhaps it will help you? http://www.willmer.com/kb/2005/04/mythtv-pvr-350-ubuntu/
[21:46:00] Majestic12: whimboo: Thanks
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[21:47:00] rjune: CyberKnet: pull kernel out of that statment and I'll agree with you
[21:48:00] CyberKnet: rjune: =)
[21:49:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, I'm a fan of hardware raid, if it wasn't for that, I'd be a fan of kernel raid.
[21:50:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: heh
[21:51:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: I also am a fan of hardware raid
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[21:54:00] CyberKnet: I'm not a fan of spending money though (or rather, the work involved in making money to spend!)
[21:55:00] rjune: heh
[21:55:00] kormoc: hehe
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[22:00:00] xris: whimboo: pipe != fifo
[22:01:00] xris: search the mailing list for that error string and you'll find the answer. basically, the 1.6.3pre version of yuvdenoise is broken.
[22:01:00] xris: turn off denoise, or use --transcode
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[22:04:00] whimboo: xris: thank you. It is working now
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[22:09:00] xris: :)
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[22:16:00] sphing: you guys seen the new divx?
[22:17:00] CyberKnet: nope. stop reading slashdot =)
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[22:28:00] sphing: haha
[22:28:00] sphing: anyone tried loading myth on a psp?
[22:29:00] twisted_one: sphing: with access to the OS that might be hard
[22:29:00] twisted_one: CyberKnet: thats why you win the lottery =P
[22:30:00] rjune: sphing: I wanna do it on a zaurus
[22:30:00] sphing: zaurus?
[22:30:00] twisted_one: PDA
[22:30:00] twisted_one: Runs some cut down linux iirc
[22:31:00] rjune: I dunno about cut down, it's pretty full featured
[22:31:00] twisted_one: rjune: Does it have GCC?
[22:32:00] rjune: yeah
[22:32:00] twisted_one: oh, nice
[22:32:00] rjune: www.opie.org
[22:32:00] rjune: or maybe it's www.openzaurus.org
[22:33:00] jonK: i have a ipaq pda running familiar
[22:33:00] rjune: there's all kinds of stuff for it
[22:33:00] jonK: i never thought to try to put myth on it
[22:33:00] rjune: would love to have myth, even if it was only for audio
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[22:39:00] mchou: wow, check out this link: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050614_165354.html
[22:39:00] mchou: darn canucks.
[22:40:00] mchou: digging their own grave man.....
[22:45:00] Beirdo: dbah
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[22:46:00] mchou: I'd have expected Canadians of all ppl to be more consumer friendly and less "Hollywood friendly"
[22:47:00] Beirdo: it has nothing to do with being Canadian
[22:47:00] SlicerDicer-: hi mchou
[22:47:00] kormoc: money comes in canadian flavors too ya know :)
[22:47:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[22:47:00] mchou: ATI is a canadian company.
[22:47:00] Beirdo: so what?
[22:47:00] Beirdo: they sell most to the US which is DRM-happy
[22:48:00] mchou: it's not ike canada has the DMCA or whatnot......
[22:48:00] mchou: like*
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[22:48:00] kormoc: money comes in canadian flavors
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[22:48:00] mchou: Anyway, I long stopped buying ATI cause of their crappy SW and drivers.
[22:49:00] mchou: this DRM bs is just anothere nail in the coffin.
[22:49:00] kormoc: until Nvidia follows suit?
[22:49:00] rjune: drm?
[22:49:00] mchou: heck, I'd go buy unichrome if I have to :)
[22:49:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou, what is ATI doing?
[22:50:00] mchou: you can bet the chinese will be consumer-friendly :)
[22:50:00] kormoc: rjune, digital rights management
[22:50:00] rjune: mchou: indeed
[22:50:00] rjune: kormoc: I know what it is, I missed the link
[22:50:00] rjune: well, no more ati for me.
[22:51:00] SlicerDicer-: I never purchased ATI but I dont know what your talking about cause I dont care aboot ATI
[22:51:00] SlicerDicer-: they write crap drivers they are crap IMO
[22:51:00] mchou: apparently ATI forgot the money comes from consumers, not hollywood.
[22:51:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou, serious what are they doing?
[22:51:00] Beirdo: nvidia will likely do DRM shortly too
[22:52:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, they are adding drm into their All in Wonder cards.
[22:52:00] SlicerDicer-: what?
[22:52:00] mchou: SlicerDicer-: http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050614_165354.html
[22:52:00] SlicerDicer-: to do what?
[22:52:00] kormoc: SlicerDicer-, no recording of tv that's not approved to be recorded
[22:52:00] mchou: kormoc, lol, dont be such an alarmist.
[22:52:00] mchou: article didnt go that far :)
[22:53:00] mchou: this is ATI "testing the waters"
[22:53:00] kormoc: mchou, they talked about the broadcast flag and all that
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[22:54:00] kormoc: mchou, which what I said is what the broadcast flag does.
[22:54:00] mchou: otherwise they would just have annouced "we are putting DRM in our HW" :)
[22:54:00] SlicerDicer-: mchou, thats the goal though
[22:54:00] SlicerDicer-: sounds like anyway
[22:54:00] mchou: SlicerDicer-: true, but consumers can deter them from that goal :)
[22:55:00] SlicerDicer-: doubtful
[22:55:00] SlicerDicer-: most are mindless zombies who dont give a fuck and buy stuff just to buy it
[22:55:00] rjune: mchou: was it you that found the badass case iwth the blue leds in the front?
[22:55:00] twisted_one: Unfortunatly I dont think it matters much, because what is going ot happen si that the MPAA is going to see that this stuff works and pay congress like 120000000039393 dollars and then a law will be passed requiring it on all hardware sold in the us and there will soon become a decent market on imported DRM free hardware
[22:55:00] mchou: rjune: nope.
[22:56:00] mchou: twisted_one: dyslexic, are ya?
[22:56:00] SlicerDicer-: its retarted that all this DRM crap is allowed to go forth
[22:56:00] mchou: twisted_one: hehe
[22:56:00] twisted_one: Soon the rest of that from North America will require it as well by using the WIPO part of NAFTA and suddenly chinas business will spike and yet again the americans are literally driving their business offshore and forcing us to buy it from countries which are supposed to be evil and the devil and all of that bad stuff
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[22:56:00] rjune: twisted_one: they do it for our stuff too
[22:56:00] rjune: twisted_one: aka we buy from china
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[22:57:00] twisted_one: thank you american government yet again you suck, thank you, goodbye (/me moves to austrialia)
[22:57:00] mchou: haha!
[22:57:00] SlicerDicer-: what I want to know is how they are going to force this DRM to other countries or will they have to make X version for USA and X version for Japan etc?
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[22:57:00] twisted_one: rjune: yes, but currently our supply is from china but the sales aspect is from places here so some of the money is put back into our economy
[22:57:00] rjune: yeah
[22:57:00] mchou: twisted_one: you know aussies make you show up at the voting polls :)
[22:57:00] twisted_one: SlicerDicer-: DVD Reigons already do that.
[22:57:00] twisted_one: mchou: thats a good thing
[22:58:00] SlicerDicer-: or will it spawn a whole different digital era where companies like Intel pull out of USA and move to other places so they can make the chips without a strongarm goverment getting laws passed by people with cash?
[22:58:00] twisted_one: nah
[22:58:00] twisted_one: they love the strongarm'ing they have to put more into their chips which doesnt cost them shit but they will charge me
[22:58:00] twisted_one: more*
[22:59:00] mchou: twisted_one: so US jobs will all be sales and marketing, right?
[22:59:00] mchou: :)
[22:59:00] twisted_one: mchou: pretty much
[22:59:00] rjune: pretty much
[22:59:00] SlicerDicer-: so what the hell were all just fucked?
[22:59:00] twisted_one: basically the US has screwed itself and is continuing to do so
[22:59:00] rjune: and we likeit
[22:59:00] mchou: hehe, I'm going to b'school :)
[22:59:00] twisted_one: The problem is we have taken on a bad role in the world economy
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[22:59:00] SlicerDicer-: cant do nothing about this DRM that limits our computers to the level of uselessness cause you know thats what it will come to
[22:59:00] twisted_one: we basically are the comumer whores
[22:59:00] rjune: we'll just invade another country that has what we want. we're the best country on the planet
[22:59:00] twisted_one: every single american is getting further and further in debt
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[23:00:00] twisted_one: rjune: so the idiots think
[23:00:00] rjune: twisted_one: I'm getting out thank you
[23:00:00] twisted_one: rjune: good plan
[23:00:00] twisted_one: Im jumping ship to
[23:00:00] rjune: twisted_one: I mean of debt
[23:00:00] mchou: rjune: getting out??
[23:00:00] twisted_one: although it wont sink for about 70 years
[23:00:00] twisted_one: rjune: you think you are
[23:00:00] twisted_one: rjune: but you know the whole national debt...
[23:00:00] rjune: yeah there is that
[23:01:00] twisted_one: basically the other countries of the world will keep loaning us more and more money
[23:01:00] twisted_one: they have to, other wise we cant buy their goods
[23:01:00] twisted_one: and then their economies will collapse as well
[23:01:00] mchou: Wait for the big global depression :)
[23:01:00] twisted_one: The only think left here will be food production, and services which cannot be outsourced
[23:01:00] twisted_one: thing*
[23:01:00] twisted_one: mchou: I see one hitting about 50 years from now
[23:02:00] twisted_one: co-incidentally about the time that the population crisis will become a key factor
[23:02:00] rjune: twisted_one: guess again, food production is outsourced to some degre
[23:02:00] twisted_one: and its not the crisis you know of
[23:02:00] mchou: twisted_one: that's the time to buy eveything up in sight :)
[23:02:00] SlicerDicer-: twisted_one, by then we will all be dead anyway by most speculation so what does it matter anyway a asteroid is suposto hit us in 15 years
[23:02:00] twisted_one: rjune: sure, it is, we wont export foot
[23:02:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[23:02:00] rjune: twisted_one: which will drive farmers under
[23:02:00] twisted_one: SlicerDicer-: meh, thats crap
[23:02:00] SlicerDicer-: twisted_one, hardly
[23:02:00] twisted_one: rjune: thus is the natural evoltuion of caplitalism
[23:03:00] rjune: twisted_one: Uhm, no
[23:03:00] twisted_one: SlicerDicer-: we were supposed to have been hit like three times now?
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[23:03:00] twisted_one: rjune: sure it is look at the current airline industry
[23:03:00] twisted_one: they are all dead because they did not adapt long ago
[23:03:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah? what about it
[23:03:00] SlicerDicer-: thats not our fault
[23:03:00] twisted_one: they just kept on trucking and soon their business model fell apart
[23:03:00] twisted_one: I know its not
[23:04:00] rjune: twisted_one: airline industry is the product of the government gettting into shit they shouldn't
[23:04:00] twisted_one: and Im going to be pissed if the government bails them out again
[23:04:00] twisted_one: meh, I dont know about that, but I can see your argument
[23:04:00] mchou: rjune: govt getting into shit?
[23:04:00] SlicerDicer-: well they already pretty much gave them permission to cut pensions
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[23:04:00] mchou: govt deregulated airlines :)
[23:04:00] ** jonK wonders what happened to the topic **
[23:04:00] SlicerDicer-: meaning that cash that my grandfather who worked for AA all his life put into his retirement he will never see
[23:04:00] twisted_one: anyways enough of my hatred for capitalism =D
[23:04:00] rjune: twisted_one: capitalism would do a bit better if the govt would quit fucking around with the market
[23:04:00] mchou: lol
[23:05:00] jonK: yes he will, the pension benefit guarantee corp will pay for it
[23:05:00] rjune: SlicerDicer-: but that dipshit CEO keeps his millions of retirment
[23:05:00] twisted_one: rjune: sure it would, but for whom?
[23:05:00] SlicerDicer-: rjune, yeah thats BS
[23:05:00] jonK: which means the taxpayers will pay for it
[23:05:00] mchou: jonK: haha! dream on! like 1/3 of what he should have gotten
[23:05:00] SlicerDicer-: jonK, exactly
[23:05:00] rjune: yay for corporate welfare
[23:05:00] twisted_one: rjune: capitalism is nothing but systematic exploitation
[23:05:00] SlicerDicer-: what mchou said
[23:05:00] rjune: twisted_one: so is communism
[23:05:00] SlicerDicer-: lol
[23:05:00] twisted_one: rjune: true
[23:05:00] rjune: and socialism
[23:05:00] SlicerDicer-: so what do we do?
[23:05:00] twisted_one: rjune: but of the opposite end of the spectrum
[23:06:00] rjune: theory is however, that in capitalism both parties agree
[23:06:00] SlicerDicer-: I know lets invent replicators so we dont have to worry about that stuff!
[23:06:00] twisted_one: SlicerDicer-: well I personally am not happy going "oh well" and throwing my hands up like soo many ahve.
[23:06:00] twisted_one: anyways... back to wc3 tourney
[23:06:00] twisted_one: ttyl
[23:06:00] SlicerDicer-: twisted_one, well I cant do shit and most people are mindless drones so what can I do?
[23:06:00] SlicerDicer-: all I can do is throw up my hands
[23:07:00] rjune: ok, everybody name a Dodge car about the size of a Pontiac Grand Am
[23:07:00] SlicerDicer-: errm...
[23:07:00] xris: rjune: gremlin
[23:07:00] SlicerDicer-: that one "dodge car"
[23:07:00] ** xris doesn't know anything about cars. **
[23:07:00] SlicerDicer-: you know what I am talking about that one yeah yeah!
[23:08:00] rjune: recent dodge car
[23:08:00] SlicerDicer-: hey xris question for you
[23:08:00] jonK: 300m
[23:08:00] SlicerDicer-: everytime I reboot my mythtv box the database goes corrupt is it possible that its the web interface?
[23:09:00] SlicerDicer-: it did not seem to do it till I did web interface
[23:09:00] rjune: jonK: that's chrysler brand
[23:09:00] SlicerDicer-: same thing
[23:09:00] jonK: dodge != chrysler  ???
[23:09:00] SlicerDicer-: dodge chrysler mercedes etc all same company just branded with a different name
[23:09:00] rjune: my wife's ex-husband is claiming he can't afford child support, but just bought a new car
[23:09:00] rjune: jonK: same mfg, different brand
[23:09:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: no
[23:09:00] rjune: SlicerDicer-: depends on your perspective.
[23:10:00] jonK: it's becuase he bought the new car he can't afford child support
[23:10:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: mysql probably isn't getting shut down properly.
[23:10:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, ahh ok
[23:10:00] xris: web should have NOTHING to do with that.
[23:10:00] jonK: if i'd bought a new car, maybe i wouldn't be able to afford somethings too
[23:10:00] SlicerDicer-: yeah its really frustrating :/
[23:10:00] rjune: jonK: actually he filed for reduction in support(half of what he should be paying and hasn't for the last year)
[23:10:00] SlicerDicer-: so if its not shut down properly it will corrupt?
[23:10:00] rjune: then he got the car within the last two weeks
[23:10:00] jonK: will court give reduction wiht arrearages? some states wont
[23:11:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, I need to get a UPS then to protect my database?
[23:11:00] rjune: jonK: indiana won't
[23:11:00] rjune: he claims he'll be all paid up by court date
[23:11:00] rjune: which doesn't help his i can't afford it claims
[23:11:00] jonK: get documentary proof of any such promises, either he keep them or make himself look worse for making them
[23:12:00] jonK: you honor, here's a guy with lots of promises...
[23:12:00] jonK: and a new car
[23:12:00] jonK: is how i'd open
[23:12:00] jonK: maybe even "shiny new car"
[23:12:00] jonK: but not "shiny promies" that would just be over thet top
[23:13:00] jonK: and certainly not "shiny guy" that's just irrelevantr
[23:13:00] rjune: jonK: we're already prepared for court. we're thinking he lied to get the court hearing
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[23:13:00] jonK: again... have documnents to show
[23:13:00] rjune: jonK: we do
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[23:14:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: it should be possible to repair the database.
[23:14:00] jonK: typically high burden to have decrees changes "must show a substantial change in circumstances upon which the original order was granted"
[23:14:00] xris: but yes, if you just lose power, there's a chance that the database will get corrupted. just like with any other file.
[23:14:00] SlicerDicer-: xris, I dont know how :/
[23:15:00] rjune: jonK: well, he made up my wife's income.
[23:15:00] xris: SlicerDicer-: http://forevermore.net/files/mythtv_misc/optimize_mythdb.pl.txt
[23:15:00] rjune: something about she chose to have anohter kid
[23:15:00] xris: if that doesn't work, then you have other issues.
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[23:15:00] jonK: irrelevant to his obligations ordered for exisitng child
[23:15:00] rjune: she's capable of making X amount of dollars, that's what she was making when we got divorced
[23:15:00] rjune: jonK: actually, no not in our state
[23:16:00] rjune: in our state that's valid
[23:16:00] jonK: if anything, that's an argument for more child support not less
[23:16:00] mchou: wow, that sucked.
[23:16:00] rjune: Uhm, no
[23:16:00] rjune: jonK: they have one kid. we have two kids
[23:16:00] rjune: he's only responsible for his. not ours
[23:16:00] jonK: and now, becuase she has to take care of her family she can't go earn the $$$
[23:16:00] rjune: not his problem though
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[23:16:00] rjune: and that doesn't bother me much
[23:17:00] mchou: I think my inet just disconnected.....
[23:17:00] jonK: of course it is, if her circumstances have substantiatlly changed she can seek to have the order modified in the other direction
[23:17:00] rjune: jonK: not if she gets remarried and has kids
[23:17:00] rjune: at least not in my state
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[23:17:00] jonK: we're talking child support not alimony though rihgt?
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[23:18:00] rjune: jonK: yup
[23:18:00] rjune: alimony odesn't exist in IN
[23:18:00] jonK: i'd stand up an argue it with a straight face
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[23:18:00] mchou: hehe, what's this? the divorce conseling channel?
[23:18:00] rjune: mchou: actually no, we're just trying to figure out what kind of car her ex just bought when he can't afford his child support
[23:18:00] jonK: i made the topic reference; they ignorned me
[23:18:00] jonK: so i thought hell, join em
[23:18:00] rjune: heh
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[23:19:00] jonK: now, how bout i do some billable work
[23:19:00] mchou: haha!
[23:19:00] mchou: jonK: your ex remarried?
[23:19:00] jonK: I have an EX?
[23:20:00] rjune: jonK: work? as in paid work?
[23:20:00] mchou: I didnt follow the conversation. Who's ex? :)
[23:20:00] jonK: it's certainnly better than a free work
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[23:21:00] jonK: i must have had a lot to drink that night!
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[23:24:00] rjune: mchou: my wife's ex
[23:24:00] rjune: jonK: but why do you pay people to wokr?
[23:25:00] mchou: rjune: hehe, your wife's ex is not paying for child support?
[23:25:00] rjune: hasn't for the last year or so
[23:25:00] rjune: fucker shows up for visitation mostly on time though
[23:25:00] mchou: is the ex still responsible for child support if she remarries?
[23:26:00] rjune: yup
[23:26:00] rjune: his kid, he's responsible.
[23:26:00] mchou: huh. didnt know that.
[23:26:00] rjune: though I'm a fan of if you don't pay, you loose visitation
[23:27:00] mchou: rjune: arent they your kids now?
[23:27:00] rjune: one girl. and she's my stepdaughter.
[23:27:00] mchou: man, this is mind boggling
[23:27:00] rjune: I've been fully responsible for her for the past year though.
[23:28:00] rjune: and would happily adopt her
[23:28:00] mchou: you marry someone with kids, doesn't that mean you become reponsible??
[23:28:00] rjune: then he wouldn't have to pay any support
[23:28:00] rjune: no
[23:28:00] rjune: you become responsible when you adopt them
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[23:28:00] rjune: and in my state that's a difficult tast
[23:28:00] mchou: rjune: where is this again? IL?
[23:29:00] rjune: indiana
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[23:29:00] mchou: man, that's just too much baggage.....
[23:29:00] rjune: ?
[23:29:00] mchou: a new wife with kids :)
[23:30:00] rjune: heh
[23:30:00] rjune: it's not bad
[23:30:00] mchou: I mean I wasnt even aware of this until you mentioned it :)
[23:30:00] rjune: daughter is great. we get along well
[23:30:00] rjune: I don't have a problem with him claiming his support should be lowered
[23:31:00] mchou: I thought you become "responsible"
[23:31:00] rjune: I have a problem with him claiming he can't afford it then buying a new car
[23:31:00] rjune: mchou: I wish.
[23:31:00] rjune: wouldn't be dealing with this stupidity
[23:31:00] mchou: rjune: pl need to buy new cars once in a while :)
[23:31:00] mchou: ppl*
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[23:32:00] rjune: mchou: he's had a new car every year since they got divorced
[23:32:00] rjune: and it's not like he's buying older cars
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[23:32:00] rjune: he's getting late model shit.
[23:32:00] mchou: if he got an expensive luxury car, then you'd have grounds :)
[23:32:00] mchou: but if it's utilitarian, then you dont really have much to go on :)
[23:32:00] rjune: mchou: if I can't afford my child support payment, why the fuck would I keep 3 cars and a motorcycle
[23:33:00] jonK: we're still on this?
[23:33:00] rjune: he and his wife have a truck, two cars and a motorcycle.
[23:33:00] mchou: jonK: I'm interested :)
[23:33:00] rjune: if he sold one to purchase the other and get rid of payments, that would be one thing.
[23:33:00] drkdreamin: rjune, seems pretty clear cut. if the law requires him to show reason for requesting the support payments be lowered, then it shouldn't have a problem with you offering proof that there is no reason.
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[23:34:00] rjune: darkfire: indeed. or that he lied about his income to get the court date
[23:34:00] rjune: which we have.
[23:34:00] mchou: rjune: lol, that goes w/o saying :)
[23:34:00] rjune: it's clear cut, it just tweaks me that I have to bust my ass to cover his shit, and he buys new cars every year
[23:35:00] mchou: like who wouldnt lie about their income?
[23:35:00] mchou: (when alimony is concerned)
[23:35:00] rjune: mchou: child support, not alimony
[23:35:00] rjune: if it were alimony he would have been absolved when I married her
[23:35:00] mchou: well, pretty much the same deal to him :)
[23:35:00] darkfire: rjune, so, what i'd do is speak with an attourney, and then ask about how possible he thinks it would be to get compensated for the time and inconvienince that this has caused you
[23:36:00] rjune: darkfire: been there, done that.
[23:36:00] rjune: we're gonna try for him paying legal fees
[23:36:00] akaias: i'm getting db password errors (1045) all of a sudden. i'm still getting a myth box up and running completely, last step i was at (my pvr500 is working) was I'd get video from "watch tv" and it would lock my computer after about 2 seconds. then it just magically started giving a black screen and an error on the myth box "segmentation fault" and if i ran a frontend from another computer i got "unable to reach remote decoder". h
[23:36:00] akaias: ow can i just nuke the db altogether and start over? i tried reinstalling myth to no avail.
[23:36:00] darkfire: anything come of it?
[23:36:00] rjune: at which point the lawyer will probably double her costs
[23:36:00] rjune: darkfire: court date isn't for a couple of weeks yet
[23:36:00] jonK: muahahahha!
[23:36:00] mchou: rjune: if you win, doesnt he automatically pay your legal fees?
[23:36:00] rjune: no
[23:36:00] jonK: not in the U.S.
[23:37:00] mchou: rjune: in other word loser pays winner attorney fees.....
[23:37:00] rjune: if it's fraudulent and/or frivolous then it happens
[23:37:00] rjune: mchou: not in the US
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[23:37:00] mchou: huh?? that's news to me.
[23:37:00] rjune: mchou: it may vary state to state
[23:37:00] jonK: very doubtful, not muych varianece
[23:38:00] mchou: I sued my landlord, he had to pay my legal fees and expenses.
[23:38:00] rjune: loser pays often will alleviate pointless suits
[23:38:00] rjune: mchou: that's not guarenteed though
[23:38:00] jonK: that's becuase your lease provided an attorney fee clause
[23:38:00] jonK: (or landlord tennant statute authorized fee award)
[23:38:00] mchou: however, I couldnt charge him for my "time"
[23:39:00] mchou: jonK: the latter
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[23:39:00] jonK: but default position is each party pays their own way
[23:39:00] mchou: certainly was not in the lease :)
[23:39:00] mchou: jonK: until you win :)
[23:39:00] Chutt: oh noes! i can't uninstall myth!
[23:39:00] jonK: are you sure, it's hard to find a resedential lease without one
[23:39:00] darkfire: mchou, if you are suing for damages, you can certainly consider legal fees as damages, BUT the court doesnt have to grant it
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[23:39:00] jonK: no you cant, not unless a statute or contract authorizes the awaryd
[23:40:00] rjune: Chutt: why would you want to?
[23:40:00] rjune: yay! I have myth on fc4
[23:40:00] darkfire: jonK, really? that must be a state thing, i've always heard that you could
[23:40:00] mchou: rjune: Chutt was being sarcastic :)
[23:40:00] Chutt: i'm just mocking the current idiot of the moment on the -users list
[23:40:00] jonK: if by state you mean states
[23:41:00] jonK: then yes
[23:41:00] jonK: as in the U.S. states
[23:41:00] rjune: Chutt: ahh
[23:41:00] jonK: or fed courts, only way is federal statute authorizing fee awards for litigation under a particular statute
[23:42:00] jonK: (contract typically matter of state law, unless U.S. is a contracting party)
[23:42:00] mchou: jonK: you a lawyer?
[23:42:00] jonK: (or certing federal subjects (e.g., patents, trademark licenses)
[23:42:00] rjune: mchou: no but he plays one on mythtv
[23:42:00] mchou: haha
[23:42:00] jonK: I won't lie about that
[23:43:00] mchou: jonK: you are or are not a lawyer? :)
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[23:53:00] mchou: Chutt: you wouldn't happen to know if there is anyone working on linux drivers for avermedia a180?
[23:54:00] mchou: wow, congress did something sensible.
[23:55:00] mchou: prevente the FBI from searching library patron records
[23:55:00] mchou: which was how they caught Ted Kszinski *unibomber)
[23:56:00] jonK: and topic degredation continues
[23:56:00] mchou: haha, exactly!
[23:56:00] xris: mchou: wow
[23:56:00] mchou: listening to NPR right now.
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[23:58:00] mchou: jonK: most ppl probably werent aware that kozinski was caught by FBI searching library patron records :)
[23:59:00] mchou: and how that clause got into the original patriot act.
[23:59:00] mchou: I know I sure wasn't aware of that.
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