| Tuesday, June 14th, 2005, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:00] | JonK: | LostSole: does ps aux | grep mythbackend show anyting after you get this error? |
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| [00:03:00] | LostSole: | JonK: just the grep process. :P The backend log adds "No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP" but still it doesn't have any logs of the more recent stuff (after 10:30 am). |
| [00:03:00] | JonK: | ah ha well that's somehting |
| [00:03:00] | JonK: | is this a separate frontend? |
| [00:04:00] | JonK: | oh wait -- |
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| [00:06:00] | SarahEmm: | err |
| [00:06:00] | SarahEmm: | you need to fix that lostsole |
| [00:06:00] | SarahEmm: | did you run mythsetup? |
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| [00:07:00] | LostSole: | SarahEmm: I'll re-run it, but I've run it like a half dozen times. |
| [00:09:00] | SarahEmm: | err |
| [00:09:00] | SarahEmm: | did you go through general and fill in the backend IP? |
| [00:09:00] | SarahEmm: | because it looks like it's missing |
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| [00:11:00] | LostSole: | SarahEmm: The backend/frontend are on the same box, and it should be localhost... I'll double-check though. thanks for the help all. I'll come back later. |
| [00:11:00] | JonK: | and you're running mythth-setup as user mythtv? |
| [00:11:00] | LostSole: | JonK: yup |
| [00:12:00] | JonK: | permissions granted on the database for user mythtv? |
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| [00:13:00] | LostSole: | JonK: yup. Double-checked the mysql.txt file that has the password too... anyway, gotta run. Thanks. |
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| [00:14:00] | JonK: | damn... just trying to throw out all the obvoius answers |
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| [00:25:00] | rjune: | will mythtv operate as a player if it doesn't have write access to the db? |
| [00:30:00] | iggy: | try it and let us know |
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| [00:34:00] | rjune: | iggy: heh ok |
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| [00:34:00] | rjune: | iggy: how about the menu, do you know how to make it start up in the media library menu? |
| [00:35:00] | iggy: | I think there's a command line switch to do that |
| [00:35:00] | iggy: | but I've never really tried |
| [00:35:00] | rjune: | what neat things have you done with it? |
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| [00:36:00] | iggy: | absolutely nothing |
| [00:36:00] | iggy: | it's a glorified vcr |
| [00:37:00] | iggy: | or... 5 vcr's to be exact |
| [00:37:00] | abarbaccia: | anybody here skilled at getting irblasters to work? |
| [00:38:00] | abarbaccia: | its something to do with the modules because its not creating the other lirc device |
| [00:38:00] | abarbaccia: | FATAL: Error inserting lirc_serial (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5–686/misc/lirc_serial.ko): Device or resource busy |
| [00:38:00] | darkfire: | are you loading any other module that would claim the device? |
| [00:39:00] | darkfire: | that's usually what that means, afiak |
| [00:39:00] | abarbaccia: | darkfire, im not sure – i mean, the device isnt listed under /dev and the only other lirc device im running is the receiver |
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| [00:40:00] | rjune: | iggy: heh, I use it for everything BUT a VCR |
| [00:40:00] | darkfire: | abarbaccia, lsmod and tell me what lirc mods are loaded |
| [00:42:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | hi – can ask if i can ask a question? |
| [00:42:00] | SarahEmm: | no. |
| [00:42:00] | abarbaccia: | darkfire, sure, gimme a minute, its rebooting then i can ssh back in |
| [00:42:00] | SarahEmm: | Monday is No Questions Day. |
| [00:42:00] | SarahEmm: | :o) |
| [00:42:00] | SarahEmm: | okay, fine.. what's the Q? |
| [00:43:00] | darkfire: | :-o an exception to no questions monday? |
| [00:43:00] | darkfire: | unheard of. |
| [00:43:00] | SarahEmm: | lol |
| [00:43:00] | darkfire: | Super_Cat_Frog, must be your luck day ;) |
| [00:44:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | im confusing myself with recursion here, im trying to ask if i can ask a question (i think thats what i mean) |
| [00:44:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | anyway.... |
| [00:44:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | has anything interesting happened in cvs in the last month for dvbt users? |
| [00:44:00] | darkfire: | aww, i got myself all worked up over the question, and it's not a fun one :( |
| [00:44:00] | abarbaccia: | darkfire, lirc_i2c, lirc_dev, lirc_core --- no lirc_serial |
| [00:45:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | darkfire, sorry |
| [00:45:00] | Super_Cat_Frog: | argh! i dont care about michael jackson, for god sake, what happened to _news_? |
| [00:45:00] | darkfire: | try rmmod'ing lirc_i2c, and then modprobe lirc_serial (but to be honest, i'm kinda stabbing in the dark here) |
| [00:46:00] | abarbaccia: | darkfire, i just tried that – it wont let me remove lirc_i2c |
| [00:47:00] | darkfire: | abarbaccia, probably have to remove it from modules.conf, and reboot. some of those are kinda picky. |
| [00:48:00] | abarbaccia: | darkfire, i just got it to remove lirc_i2c, but i get that error again when trying to add lirc_serial |
| [00:49:00] | darkfire: | abarbaccia, hrmm, modinfo lirc_serial and see if you need to pass it any options (like the /dev of your serial port) |
| [00:49:00] | darkfire: | other than that, i have no idea. don't have a blaster, myself |
| [00:50:00] | abarbaccia: | nohthing |
| [00:50:00] | abarbaccia: | thanks tho – i appreciate you helping |
| [00:51:00] | darkfire: | yeah, the only thing i would know to try is just unloading all the lirc modules, and seeing if serial will load before the others |
| [00:51:00] | darkfire: | actually, what's dmesg say when you try to load lirc_serial ? |
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| [00:52:00] | abarbaccia: | lirc_serial: port 03f8 already in use |
| [00:52:00] | abarbaccia: | lirc_serial: use 'setserial /dev/ttySX uart none' |
| [00:52:00] | abarbaccia: | lirc_serial: or compile the serial port driver as module and |
| [00:52:00] | abarbaccia: | lirc_serial: make sure this module is loaded first |
| [00:52:00] | abarbaccia: | sorry!! |
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| [00:52:00] | darkfire: | ah hah, that's it |
| [00:53:00] | abarbaccia: | okay |
| [00:53:00] | abarbaccia: | so i have to use this setserial command |
| [00:53:00] | darkfire: | either use that command (dunno what it does) or remove the serial port driver from your kernel, and that should free up the device |
| [00:54:00] | abarbaccia: | whats the serial port driver name? how do i figure that out because i dont have that command avail to me |
| [00:55:00] | darkfire: | abarbaccia, when compiling the kernel, remove support for the serial port, doubt it has a specific device name |
| [00:55:00] | abarbaccia: | darkfire, i dont want ot recompile the kernel!! |
| [00:55:00] | darkfire: | abarbaccia, sorries. |
| [00:55:00] | abarbaccia: | on my slow myth box – god it'll take YEARS |
| [00:56:00] | darkfire: | it would seem that the kernel has serial port support compilied in (do an lsmod and see if something else mentions serial) and you need to compile it out |
| [00:56:00] | darkfire: | or google and find out where to get the setserial command |
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| [00:57:00] | abarbaccia: | apt-get setserial works for me ! |
| [00:57:00] | Beirdo: | hshsh |
| [01:01:00] | abarbaccia: | okay there are a whole lot of /dev/tty files – which one do i setserial? |
| [01:01:00] | iggy: | apt-get? what's that? some sort of emerge like thing? |
| [01:02:00] | abarbaccia: | iggy, its what debian and all debian based distros (ubuntu) use for package managment – its far superior to emerge and yum and yast or whatever you like to use |
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| [01:02:00] | iggy: | you keep telling yourself that ass jockey |
| [01:02:00] | JonK: | woot! preach the cow powers |
| [01:03:00] | Dylan`: | ...errrr |
| [01:03:00] | darkfire: | far superior? hah. |
| [01:03:00] | abarbaccia: | hahaha |
| [01:03:00] | darkfire: | someone just talked themself out of tech support ;) |
| [01:03:00] | Dylan`: | i need to create a mirror image of a hard drive, what is the best way of doing that |
| [01:03:00] | abarbaccia: | hey!!! What the hell!!! |
| [01:03:00] | abarbaccia: | Dylan`, dd |
| [01:03:00] | JonK: | dd |
| [01:03:00] | darkfire: | abarbaccia, actually, i have no idea. if 03f8 is a choice, go with that |
| [01:03:00] | Dylan`: | dd? |
| [01:03:00] | abarbaccia: | that's wat i was looking for |
| [01:03:00] | abarbaccia: | man dd |
| [01:04:00] | darkfire: | abarbaccia, the idea is to nail the serial your blaster is connected to, could be any /dev, depending on the set up |
| [01:04:00] | abarbaccia: | well, i only have one serial port though, not 349 |
| [01:05:00] | darkfire: | i dont do much work with serial ports, i dont even know that it's a tty |
| [01:05:00] | darkfire: | actually, is there a ttys0? |
| [01:06:00] | abarbaccia: | darkfire, yea, i just read that that one defaults to the addr im using |
| [01:06:00] | abarbaccia: | so im gonna put this setserial command uptop above where my lirc modules are loaded and hopefully that'l do it |
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| [01:09:00] | abarbaccia: | good dmesg so far! |
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| [01:10:00] | sphing: | anyone know a tutorial on how to copy a drive? |
| [01:11:00] | sphing: | sounds dumb... but my HD is crashing and i want to copy it over |
| [01:11:00] | Dylan`: | heheh....i had the same question |
| [01:11:00] | kormoc: | dd if=/dev/hddrivetocopy of=/dev/hddrivetocopyto |
| [01:11:00] | sphing: | it will copy it entirely? |
| [01:11:00] | kormoc: | byte to byte copy |
| [01:11:00] | sphing: | they arent the same size... that a problem? |
| [01:12:00] | kormoc: | larger or smaller is the destination |
| [01:12:00] | kormoc: | ? |
| [01:12:00] | sphing: | smaller... but it has enough space for everything |
| [01:12:00] | Dylan`: | hmm...for me it could be either ^_^ |
| [01:12:00] | kormoc: | if it's smaller, dd won't work |
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| [01:12:00] | Dylan`: | it was a real bitch for me, my comp has 3 HDs, but ones noisy as fuck |
| [01:12:00] | abarbaccia: | darkfire, im getting much closer- now its giving me a cannot connect to socket error – but the driver loaded! its in lsmod as well |
| [01:13:00] | sphing: | kormoc: say I get a bigger one |
| [01:13:00] | sphing: | i can dd it |
| [01:13:00] | kormoc: | yup |
| [01:13:00] | sphing: | then, can I copy it to the smaller one |
| [01:13:00] | ** kormoc raises a eyebrow ** | |
| [01:13:00] | sphing: | (not using dd obviously) |
| [01:13:00] | Dylan`: | the noisy one HAD to be my fucking primary. |
| [01:13:00] | kormoc: | you could just cp -r / /mnt/drive2copyto |
| [01:14:00] | kormoc: | and you'd need to reinstall grub/lilo but it should copy all the files over perfectly fine. |
| [01:14:00] | abarbaccia: | kormoc, thats assuming he has only one partition |
| [01:14:00] | sphing: | yea i could do the grub no problem |
| [01:14:00] | sphing: | i have 3 |
| [01:14:00] | kormoc: | abarbaccia, good point, yes indeed. |
| [01:14:00] | sphing: | ill copy to the big one |
| [01:14:00] | kormoc: | sphing, 3 partitions you'd wanna keep? |
| [01:14:00] | sphing: | 2 |
| [01:15:00] | sphing: | one is swap |
| [01:15:00] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [01:15:00] | Dylan`: | oh, one more thing... |
| [01:15:00] | sphing: | basically... /boot swap and / |
| [01:15:00] | kormoc: | you could copy the boot to /boot on the new drive just fine |
| [01:15:00] | sphing: | on a 40gig |
| [01:15:00] | sphing: | ok |
| [01:15:00] | kormoc: | (you'd also wanna do --perserve=all to the cp) |
| [01:15:00] | Dylan`: | i have a shitload of media on my computers (running on a home network). Do you think it would be good to set up a server to store all that shit, would it make things any faster? |
| [01:16:00] | sphing: | could i in theory copy everything to a 160 gig |
| [01:16:00] | sphing: | then load up the partitions on an 8 gig |
| [01:16:00] | sphing: | and work from there? |
| [01:16:00] | kormoc: | Dylan`, likly not, but it's still a cool solution to have one massive file server |
| [01:16:00] | SarahEmm: | Dylan`: probably not faster, just more organized. |
| [01:16:00] | abarbaccia: | sphing, you could in theory – faster? don't know about that – streaming media through a network is always slower than locally accessing it – and if its wireless – video can be too much throughput |
| [01:17:00] | SarahEmm: | i like having everything in the house on one big file server here, that's got RAID5 and such |
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| [01:17:00] | abarbaccia: | SarahEmm, why do you need a raid 5 media server for your house? a little overkill no? |
| [01:17:00] | kormoc: | indeed, blow out a drive, no big deal, swap in a new one and rebuild and there's all your files. |
| [01:17:00] | kormoc: | abarbaccia, drives do die from time to time. |
| [01:17:00] | kormoc: | 0+1 would be overkill imho :P |
| [01:18:00] | Dylan`: | not on wireless, but mostly video. |
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| [01:18:00] | SarahEmm: | abarbaccia: because it's media + code + random other stuff, and we lose drives now and then |
| [01:18:00] | SarahEmm: | this way we never lose data |
| [01:18:00] | SarahEmm: | and it's not expensive. |
| [01:18:00] | abarbaccia: | I mean, whatever floats your boat - |
| [01:19:00] | SarahEmm: | 4 drives + software RAID + hotswap chassis for each drive |
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| [01:19:00] | abarbaccia: | and expensive in whoes eyes – i'm a broke college student |
| [01:19:00] | SarahEmm: | okay... |
| [01:20:00] | abarbaccia: | hey guys, if i have more than one lirc instance running – the addition device should show up as /dev/ |
| [01:20:00] | abarbaccia: | ??? |
| [01:20:00] | abarbaccia: | /dev/??? |
| [01:20:00] | SarahEmm: | err, why would you ahve more than one running? |
| [01:21:00] | abarbaccia: | reciever + transmitted to settopbox |
| [01:21:00] | SarahEmm: | you can't do all that in one instance? |
| [01:21:00] | abarbaccia: | is it /dev/lirc0 and /dev/lirc1 or /dev/lircd0 and /dev/lircd1 |
| [01:21:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: software RAID or hardware RAID? |
| [01:21:00] | abarbaccia: | nope – it needs 2 modules compiled into the kernel |
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| [01:23:00] | SarahEmm: | rjune: software RAID. 3ware cards are out of my budget and they're the only ones that do true hardware raid-5 on SATA that i could find |
| [01:23:00] | SarahEmm: | so i'm using linux software RAID |
| [01:23:00] | SarahEmm: | OS is on two PATA drives in RAID-1, data is on 4 SATA drives in RAID-5 |
| [01:23:00] | rjune: | the 3ware cards are sweet |
| [01:23:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah, but expensive |
| [01:23:00] | rjune: | I wanna build a monster raid array |
| [01:23:00] | SarahEmm: | this way we just got a cheap 4channel SATA controller non-raid, and do it in software |
| [01:24:00] | rjune: | how much space? |
| [01:25:00] | SarahEmm: | me? |
| [01:25:00] | rjune: | yea |
| [01:25:00] | SarahEmm: | 4x160GB drives so 480GB |
| [01:25:00] | rjune: | nice |
| [01:25:00] | SarahEmm: | was built just over a year ago, so that was the best price point at the time |
| [01:25:00] | SarahEmm: | these days i'd probably go 4x250GB for 750GB total |
| [01:26:00] | ** rjune wants 8 400GB ** | |
| [01:26:00] | SarahEmm: | but at that time, the price/GB ratio went way worse after 160 |
| [01:26:00] | SarahEmm: | lol, nice. |
| [01:26:00] | abarbaccia: | at work i have a dual processor linux workstation with 1.2 TB in raid 5 :) and that's just the one for my "demo" project |
| [01:26:00] | SarahEmm: | nice |
| [01:26:00] | rjune: | abarbaccia: cool, what's the demo? |
| [01:26:00] | rjune: | and wshy do you need all that drive space |
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| [01:26:00] | ** SarahEmm has no RAID of her own at work but manages a few that are 10–80TB each ** | |
| [01:26:00] | SarahEmm: | rjune: me? |
| [01:27:00] | abarbaccia: | im working on showing a solution to index all our companies files on our intranet |
| [01:27:00] | rjune: | cool |
| [01:27:00] | abarbaccia: | yea, its some cool stuff – jsut started workign on it – its copying over 600GB for me to work on as my "test sample" |
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| [01:34:00] | abarbaccia: | alright back to lirc – so now i have lirc0 , lirc1 , lircd — but it refuses to connect to the socket to allow sending – any ideas? |
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| [01:38:00] | sphing: | abarbaccia: about how long will a dd take for a 40 gig? |
| [01:39:00] | abarbaccia: | sphing, not exactly sure of times. i usually let it run overnight - |
| [01:39:00] | sphing: | wow alright... i'm so nervous its going to fail |
| [01:39:00] | sphing: | before it finishes |
| [01:39:00] | abarbaccia: | sphing, i actually had that happen before |
| [01:40:00] | Dylan`: | holy shit................you've got to be kidding |
| [01:40:00] | abarbaccia: | sphing, but if it does, theres nothing that worrying can do to help it |
| [01:40:00] | sphing: | haha yea i kno |
| [01:40:00] | sphing: | i'm gonna go have dinner or something |
| [01:40:00] | Dylan`: | so i install the HD im gonna DD to, and pos windows wont recognize the drive |
| [01:40:00] | abarbaccia: | Dylan`, yea, you have no idea how pissed i was |
| [01:40:00] | Dylan`: | on the bootup, it recognizes it as sec. slave |
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| [01:40:00] | Dylan`: | so its hooked up... |
| [01:41:00] | abarbaccia: | Dylan`, what are you talking about? we arent windows users here |
| [01:41:00] | sphing: | lol |
| [01:41:00] | sphing: | touche |
| [01:41:00] | Dylan`: | im aware of that. |
| [01:41:00] | Dylan`: | and once again, you guys are right in your ways |
| [01:41:00] | Dylan`: | fuck this |
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| [01:41:00] | sphing: | lol what jut happened? |
| [01:41:00] | abarbaccia: | how do i get a 2nd instance of lircd running |
| [01:42:00] | sphing: | never used lirc so I can't help |
| [01:42:00] | Ray_: | Does anyone know if you can install the NFS file system while not using a backend/frontend... more so installing it for future use? |
| [01:42:00] | SarahEmm: | err.. what? |
| [01:42:00] | sphing: | yea of course |
| [01:42:00] | SarahEmm: | you can use NFS without myth at all |
| [01:42:00] | sphing: | one thing has nothing to do with the other |
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| [01:46:00] | gnarface: | abarbaccia: i sent you a howto earlier. just dig through it more and the answers are there. |
| [01:48:00] | Ray_: | Does anyone here use a Avermedia tv tuner? And if so are there any problems getting it to work? |
| [01:49:00] | Baylink: | I rather suspect, Ray, that it depends on whether it's MPEG or not. I believe both work now... what model? |
| [01:50:00] | Ray_: | The PVR 150 and the 1500 models |
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| [01:52:00] | hadees: | Ray_, isn't avermedia m179 |
| [01:52:00] | Baylink: | PVR150's not an AVer... |
| [01:53:00] | hadees: | anyone here watch the systm episode? |
| [01:53:00] | Ray_: | http://www.aver.com/products/tvtuner_avertv_p . . . lus_wb.shtml |
| [01:54:00] | hadees: | Ray_, well that looks new, so i can't tell you |
| [01:54:00] | hadees: | it might use the pvr 150 chip mabey |
| [01:54:00] | Ray_: | I saw the Systm episode |
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| [01:55:00] | hadees: | Ray_, hehe well your not really the kind of user i was looking for, i was looking for a mythtv expert, i think i know alot and i wrote a forum post to a systm forum that gives better information then the episdoe, http://www.scopetech.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3334 |
| [01:55:00] | hadees: | i was wondering if i should add anything |
| [02:06:00] | mchou: | Ray_: the aver pvr 150 do not work in linux. |
| [02:06:00] | abarbaccia: | pvr150s work in linux |
| [02:06:00] | mchou: | Ray_: old blackbird/rosalyn?? design |
| [02:06:00] | mchou: | abarbaccia: read what I wrote. |
| [02:07:00] | abarbaccia: | aver? is that a different chip? |
| [02:07:00] | mchou: | aver==avermedia |
| [02:07:00] | abarbaccia: | right...is that not a hauppauge card then? |
| [02:07:00] | mchou: | abarbaccia: dude, why you need to belabor the obvious? |
| [02:08:00] | abarbaccia: | because i didnt understand |
| [02:08:00] | mchou: | abarbaccia: then do some homework. |
| [02:08:00] | abarbaccia: | sorry if i didnt research every manufacturer of every card that's available |
| [02:09:00] | SarahEmm: | err |
| [02:09:00] | SarahEmm: | but you just asked if a card made by 'aver' is a 'hauppauge' card |
| [02:09:00] | SarahEmm: | no, it's an 'aver' card. |
| [02:09:00] | mchou: | abarbaccia: if you didnt know jack about it, why you spouting off bad info? |
| [02:09:00] | SarahEmm: | 'cuz it's made by 'aver |
| [02:09:00] | abarbaccia: | "bad info" i believe my pvr-150 works FINE in linux - |
| [02:10:00] | mchou: | abarbaccia: yeah, except I wasnt talking about hauppauge pvr150. |
| [02:10:00] | abarbaccia: | sorry if i didnt understand your way-too-cool slang for capture card vendor names |
| [02:10:00] | mchou: | abarbaccia: ? |
| [02:10:00] | mchou: | [17:53:37] <Ray_> http://www.aver.com/products/tvtuner_avertv_p . . . lus_wb.shtml |
| [02:11:00] | mchou: | wtf you think I was referring to? |
| [02:13:00] | abarbaccia: | dude, i'm sorry – you are just way too cool – knowing all this stuff – i am so sorry – please please please forgive me |
| [02:13:00] | abarbaccia: | NO – shut the fuck up fag, sorry i made a mistake way to jump down someones throat for trying to help |
| [02:13:00] | Ray_: | What kind of remotes do you guys recommend? |
| [02:14:00] | mchou: | abarbaccia: coolness has nothing to do with it. Bad info is not "help" |
| [02:14:00] | mchou: | abarbaccia: with friends like you ppl wont need enemies. |
| [02:14:00] | abarbaccia: | do me a favor, just don't talk anymore – that would be great – i will no longer try to help anybody here with any of their problems |
| [02:15:00] | abarbaccia: | you can just pretend to be a channel mod and help everybody with all their problems since that seems like all you do with ur life |
| [02:16:00] | mchou: | abarbaccia: I dont go around passing bad info without knowing wtf I'm even talking about, unlike some other fols. |
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| [02:17:00] | mchou: | folks* |
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| [02:18:00] | SarahEmm: | umm |
| [02:18:00] | SarahEmm: | could you please not call people names, abarbaccia? |
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| [02:23:00] | j-rod: | and by the way: the Aver m150 DOES work under linux |
| [02:23:00] | dhofstra: | here's a great writeup on 2nd instance of lirc ... http://www.restricted.dyndns.org/twoinstancelirc.html |
| [02:24:00] | j-rod: | using the plutohome blackbird cx88 driver |
| [02:24:00] | j-rod: | or so I understand |
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| [02:24:00] | j-rod: | time to go home |
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| [02:24:00] | Ray_: | How easy is it to get running? Right now I just want a cheap card... |
| [02:24:00] | mchou: | j-rod: good luck getting that to work :) |
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| [02:27:00] | mchou: | Ray_: the hauppauge pvr150mce can be had for $60 street price. If that aint cheap enough, you shouldnt be using myth :) |
| [02:27:00] | mchou: | and it works more reliably than aver m150 driver from plutohome, that's for sure. |
| [02:28:00] | Ray_: | lol... I know... just so far from everything I have read the drivers are not fully stable and I guess crash time to time |
| [02:28:00] | Ray_: | *? |
| [02:28:00] | mchou: | have 2 haup pvr150 for 3 months now and have never crashed. |
| [02:29:00] | mchou: | and I record lots of crap. |
| [02:29:00] | ** SarahEmm been running bttv for a long time and don't think i've crashed in the last year ** | |
| [02:29:00] | Ray_: | oh... are you using the latest drivers? |
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| [02:29:00] | mchou: | Ray_: no. 3.4-x, iirc |
| [02:30:00] | mchou: | there is no reason to upgrade drivers if the driver works. |
| [02:30:00] | reel: | i am so confused by this. why would having my s-video cable plugged in prevent linux from starting? it works fine on another computer |
| [02:31:00] | gnarface: | its not preventing it from starting |
| [02:31:00] | reel: | sure it is |
| [02:31:00] | gnarface: | your nvidia card is autodetecting your tv |
| [02:31:00] | reel: | no responses remotely |
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| [02:31:00] | gnarface: | via ssh you mean? |
| [02:31:00] | reel: | yeah |
| [02:31:00] | reel: | or ping |
| [02:32:00] | gnarface: | dunno then. you really screwed it up somehow though and the way to fix it is probably to make sure that your tv-out config for your nvidia card is working properly. |
| [02:32:00] | reel: | i see the hard drive light flash for a bit where it would start but then nothing happens after that. the tv continues with a blank display and if i plug in the monitor at that point, nothing happens |
| [02:32:00] | reel: | i am just so confused because i see the bios display through tv-out but then when grub takes over, it is the end |
| [02:33:00] | gnarface: | well keep in mind that nvidia cards autodetect what's connected and try to (sometimes improperly) pick the 'primary' output that way |
| [02:33:00] | gnarface: | there are X driver options to override the decision. i recommend reading the nvidia readme file |
| [02:33:00] | gnarface: | especially the appendix on configuring tv-out |
| [02:33:00] | reel: | yeah i can do the force connected but should it be reading the xorg file at the point of loading grub? |
| [02:33:00] | reel: | I thought that it only read that when it moved to level 5 near the end of booting |
| [02:33:00] | gnarface: | it does |
| [02:34:00] | gnarface: | maybe your problem is with directfb then |
| [02:34:00] | gnarface: | are you using directfb? |
| [02:34:00] | reel: | what is that |
| [02:34:00] | gnarface: | hmm. its something for doing x to a framebuffer |
| [02:34:00] | gnarface: | i think. |
| [02:34:00] | gnarface: | i know you shouldn't use it with nvidia cards |
| [02:34:00] | reel: | i haven't the slightest clue if i am or not. i have been trying to figure out what is going on because my last system i built with a similar graphics card just worked after following the howto |
| [02:35:00] | gnarface: | you should not use console framebuffer at all with nvidia cards. |
| [02:35:00] | gnarface: | do you see grub at all? |
| [02:35:00] | reel: | when i use the vga, i can see everything. when i use s-video, i see bios, loading grub stage 2 then black screen with signal (as opposed to no signal) |
| [02:36:00] | digitalb0y: | if you don't know that directfb is your mostlikely not using in no major distro uses it by default |
| [02:36:00] | gnarface: | digitalb0y: thanks |
| [02:36:00] | roz: | just reinstalled the mythtv box here, and now when I exit watching a recording, the sound repeats itself for like 10 seconds. Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? |
| [02:37:00] | reel: | yeah i am on fc3 following the howto but i installed everything |
| [02:37:00] | gnarface: | reel: sounds to me you've got console framebuffer on |
| [02:37:00] | gnarface: | reel: you using xdm or anything like that? |
| [02:37:00] | reel: | no xdm found in ps aux |
| [02:37:00] | gnarface: | it could be under another name |
| [02:38:00] | gnarface: | did you set it up to boot to a graphical log-in prompt? |
| [02:38:00] | reel: | yeah it does |
| [02:38:00] | gnarface: | ok |
| [02:38:00] | gnarface: | did you configure your tv out at all? |
| [02:38:00] | reel: | default runlevel in /etc/inittab is 5 |
| [02:38:00] | reel: | so it goes to the fedora login |
| [02:38:00] | rjune: | on my nvidia cards I didn't have to set tv out, it just worked. |
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| [02:39:00] | gnarface: | rjune: on mine it didn't. |
| [02:39:00] | rjune: | gnarface: what distro? |
| [02:39:00] | gnarface: | gentoo |
| [02:39:00] | reel: | rjune: on my last one, i followed jarod's howto and it all worked according to that with a little bit of minor tweaking |
| [02:39:00] | rjune: | ah. have fun |
| [02:39:00] | gnarface: | rjune: i fixed it. it was easy. |
| [02:39:00] | rjune: | reel: yeah jarod's howto is pretty good |
| [02:40:00] | reel: | only thing is that i want to use a wireless pci card in here so i have to use a special kernel from linuxant i think it is that has a 16k stack |
| [02:40:00] | rjune: | I just updated my mythbox to fc4. I'm hoping all goes well |
| [02:40:00] | rjune: | reel: which wifi card? |
| [02:40:00] | reel: | dlink g510 |
| [02:40:00] | rjune: | lucky you |
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| [02:40:00] | rjune: | I've found a few that work out of the box. I try to stick to them. |
| [02:40:00] | reel: | i have that and an airlink that is actually working fine in my win xp box now |
| [02:40:00] | reel: | the dlink needs ndiswrapper but i got it recognized |
| [02:41:00] | reel: | i was hitting some walls with the wpa stuff but i have abandoned that for a bit |
| [02:41:00] | rjune: | one day I'll learn about wifi |
| [02:41:00] | rjune: | one day I'll be cool enough to have a WAP too |
| [02:42:00] | reel: | heh |
| [02:43:00] | reel: | i am putting it in single user mode by default and rebooting |
| [02:43:00] | gnarface: | reel: i think you should do this instead: 1) disable console frame buffer 2) make the default init level 3 |
| [02:43:00] | gnarface: | then when it boots try to startx |
| [02:44:00] | gnarface: | that will tell you what the problem is right there. |
| [02:44:00] | reel: | ok |
| [02:44:00] | reel: | any idea what the console frame buffer is called? |
| [02:44:00] | gnarface: | no. |
| [02:45:00] | gnarface: | this is something that happens at kernel level |
| [02:45:00] | gnarface: | your alternate kernel perhaps has it enabled by default. |
| [02:45:00] | gnarface: | you can probably disable it with a kernel option |
| [02:45:00] | gnarface: | this is something you will have to do through grub |
| [02:45:00] | gnarface: | the grub documentation should make it fairly clear. |
| [02:46:00] | reel: | ok i will look into that, thanks |
| [02:46:00] | gnarface: | no problem. |
| [02:47:00] | gnarface: | and read the nvidia driver readme on how to set up tv-out for christ sakes |
| [02:47:00] | gnarface: | it will help |
| [02:47:00] | reel: | yeah i did. i have the options tested but it shouldn't matter at this point |
| [02:48:00] | Ray_: | Does anyone know of a remote that can take the place of both the keyboard and mouse so I don't have to have a keyboard or a mouse installed at all? |
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| [02:52:00] | gnarface: | Ray_: you want to look into documentation on lircmd |
| [02:53:00] | Ray_: | k... |
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| [02:54:00] | Chessman: | Hi all, do you know if you can capture the digital stream from Comcast using Firewire? I know it works with HD, but I'm just not sure about "straight" digital. |
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| [03:03:00] | reel: | gnarface: doesn't look like there is any framebuffer enabled |
| [03:12:00] | reel: | well i am able to start up x now with vga by disabling glx |
| [03:12:00] | reel: | going to try to see if i can get tv-out working this way too next |
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| [03:14:00] | reel: | ok tv is starting up in X with xorg forcing it |
| [03:17:00] | reel: | i imagine it still won't boot properly with just s-video in but i will leave that for another day |
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| [03:18:00] | CellarDoor: | hello, anybody home ? |
| [03:20:00] | iggy: | Donnie Darko fan? |
| [03:22:00] | reel: | i don't think the term Cellar Door is limited to the movie. When I was at college, they had a magazine of poetry called that prior to the release of the movie |
| [03:22:00] | iggy: | yeah, but how many geeks are into poetry? |
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| [03:23:00] | iggy: | they actually covered the history of it in the movie |
| [03:23:00] | iggy: | s/covered/touched on/ |
| [03:23:00] | reel: | yeah. I don't think I knew that before the movie but I had heard of it |
| [03:23:00] | reel: | the word I mean just without any grasp of why they chose it |
| [03:26:00] | abarbaccia: | gnarface, can you send me that howto again – i didn't see it before |
| [03:26:00] | abarbaccia: | dhofstra, do you run 2 instances of lirc |
| [03:26:00] | abarbaccia: | ? |
| [03:28:00] | hadees: | does anyone know a good serial->usb converter that has a low profile so it would be good to use inside a case and is known to work with linux |
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| [03:31:00] | JohnnyQuest: | does anyone have a suggested way of installing myth since the fedora core repositories are down for mythtv? |
| [03:32:00] | gnarface: | abarbaccia: http://www.lircsetup.com/index.php |
| [03:32:00] | abarbaccia: | thanks gnarface |
| [03:32:00] | gnarface: | its actually http://www.lircsetup.com/lirc/blaster/index.php |
| [03:33:00] | gnarface: | but the title is a bit misleading. they're actually talking about two lircd instances |
| [03:33:00] | gnarface: | like i said though, you may have to do some reading between the lines. |
| [03:33:00] | abarbaccia: | gnarface, see, i followed a bunch of guides |
| [03:33:00] | gnarface: | reel: remind me... have you seen X work on the s-video out at all? |
| [03:33:00] | reel: | yes |
| [03:33:00] | reel: | it is working now |
| [03:34:00] | gnarface: | but on boot it doesn't work? |
| [03:34:00] | abarbaccia: | and got it to the point where the two devices are showing up in /dev/ but i don't know how to get a 2nd instance of lircd running |
| [03:35:00] | gnarface: | abarbaccia: oh. i see. yea, the quick+dirty way is mentioned in that howto. you basically add literal shell commands to the end of your rc.local |
| [03:35:00] | hadees: | abarbaccia, i think you just start another one pointing at another lirc.conf file |
| [03:35:00] | reel: | gnarface: correct |
| [03:35:00] | CellarDoor: | anyone using kubuntu here ? |
| [03:36:00] | hadees: | what not |
| [03:36:00] | hadees: | what now |
| [03:36:00] | abarbaccia: | CellarDoor, i use ubuntu |
| [03:36:00] | CellarDoor: | close enuf ;) |
| [03:36:00] | gnarface: | hadees: it doesn't have to be a different lirc.conf file, just different --device --output and --driver options |
| [03:36:00] | JonK: | using ubuntu as well |
| [03:36:00] | gnarface: | man donnie darko is a good frickin movie. |
| [03:36:00] | hadees: | gnarface, yeah something like that, i don't use a ir blaster |
| [03:36:00] | JonK: | DEMON BUNNY FROM HELL!!! |
| [03:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | is anyone else finding http://atrpms.net/ to be down? |
| [03:36:00] | hadees: | gnarface, i thought it was over rated |
| [03:37:00] | gnarface: | reel: are you forcing 'connectedmonitor' 'tv' or whatever it is? |
| [03:37:00] | hadees: | gnarface, i they never explain why he sees the bunny |
| [03:37:00] | gnarface: | hadees: watch it stoned. it totally makes more sense. |
| [03:37:00] | hadees: | gnarface, i was baked the first time |
| [03:37:00] | hadees: | its a intresting movie but they don't explain everything |
| [03:38:00] | hadees: | like the bunny |
| [03:38:00] | iggy: | that's the point |
| [03:38:00] | gnarface: | hadees: also there's still an official website out there that has info that fills in the gaps they cut from the director's version to add more 'mysteriousness' |
| [03:38:00] | hadees: | that makes me so mad |
| [03:38:00] | iggy: | it's supposed to make _you_ think |
| [03:38:00] | JonK: | I think a director cut was released this year that included some cut scenes |
| [03:38:00] | gnarface: | yea. i totally know why he sees the bunny. |
| [03:38:00] | reel: | gnarface: i have to force it if i want it to go to tv, otherwise it will go to vga |
| [03:38:00] | hadees: | iggy, there is a diffrence between making you think ie would you kill baby hitler then just not a complete story |
| [03:38:00] | hadees: | momento was a complete story |
| [03:39:00] | abarbaccia: | gnarface, i added a few lines like those to my init.d files – we'll see how it goes! |
| [03:39:00] | iggy: | it doesn't really make you think that much though when it's over |
| [03:39:00] | gnarface: | reel: but it only fails on start? that's really wierd. did you add 'nofb' or whatever it was to your kernel line in your grub.conf just to be sure? |
| [03:39:00] | reel: | i can try that |
| [03:39:00] | reel: | i removed the rghb or whatever that is |
| [03:40:00] | gnarface: | the what? |
| [03:40:00] | gnarface: | wait a minute |
| [03:40:00] | JonK: | Johnny , no atrpms.net not down |
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| [03:40:00] | gnarface: | paste whatever that was in here |
| [03:40:00] | gnarface: | cause it sounds like you just mentioned kernel parameters that'd only be on if you were using console frame buffer... |
| [03:40:00] | hadees: | reel, do you boot with the vga cord detached? |
| [03:40:00] | reel: | rhgb |
| [03:40:00] | gnarface: | oh. maybe not. |
| [03:40:00] | hadees: | my tv out only starts on boot that way |
| [03:41:00] | gnarface: | hadees: even nvidia's own readme says the autodetection doesn't always work right |
| [03:41:00] | JohnnyQuest: | its not down? jonk? |
| [03:41:00] | reel: | hadees: my tv out works fine if i have vga in |
| [03:41:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i havnt been able to connect to it all day... |
| [03:41:00] | monkeyBox: | Hey all, I'm trying to rip one of my DVDs (Shrek 2) and when I preview it there's no dialog (only music and sound effects). This is when "en ac3 6ch" audio track is selected. When I select "en ac3 2ch" it seems to work, but I'd like to have the ac3 6ch version. What's going on here? |
| [03:41:00] | CellarDoor: | I'm installing mythtv on my kubuntu system and thinking about getting DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T Lite card... just wondering if anyone here is using this card with mythtv and what your experiences are ? |
| [03:42:00] | reel: | but if i have s-video plugged in, it freezes booting at the grub loader |
| [03:42:00] | hadees: | CellarDoor, never heard of anyone using it |
| [03:42:00] | JonK: | i just clicked on the link generated by your post and it workded fine, johnny |
| [03:42:00] | hadees: | CellarDoor, there are only 2 HDTV cards i know of that work |
| [03:42:00] | hadees: | and its not one of them |
| [03:42:00] | gnarface: | monkeyBox: you're recording the wrong audio track. different channel/digital audio/lanugage audio are all on different tracks on the dvd |
| [03:42:00] | hadees: | air2pc and pcHDTV are the only HDTV linux cards |
| [03:43:00] | hadees: | air2pc being the better |
| [03:43:00] | JohnnyQuest: | is it still wokring? |
| [03:43:00] | JohnnyQuest: | cuz i jsut clicked it to.. |
| [03:43:00] | iggy: | that name seems odd |
| [03:43:00] | JohnnyQuest: | and it didnt work.. |
| [03:43:00] | CellarDoor: | hmm |
| [03:43:00] | iggy: | HDTV and DVB-t in the same product name? |
| [03:43:00] | monkeyBox: | gnarface: the one I've selected says "en ac3 6ch" is that not the one I want? |
| [03:43:00] | JohnnyQuest: | could it by my isp blocked it? |
| [03:43:00] | JonK: | its fine |
| [03:43:00] | hadees: | iggy, its possible isn't it |
| [03:43:00] | JonK: | doubt it |
| [03:43:00] | JohnnyQuest: | then why cant 2 computers connect to it? |
| [03:43:00] | JonK: | more likely you dont hvae dns for some reason |
| [03:44:00] | gnarface: | monkeyBox: *shrug* if you're not on the wrong track i dunno what the problem is. are you sure 6 channel playback even works right on your setup? |
| [03:44:00] | JohnnyQuest: | it worked fine earlier... |
| [03:44:00] | JohnnyQuest: | but other sites are working... |
| [03:44:00] | CellarDoor: | well its on the wiki |
| [03:44:00] | JonK: | no idea |
| [03:44:00] | JonK: | i hit it fine |
| [03:44:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ok |
| [03:44:00] | JonK: | i'd hit it! |
| [03:44:00] | JohnnyQuest: | soo wierd... |
| [03:44:00] | JohnnyQuest: | lol |
| [03:44:00] | hadees: | iggy, you would know better then me though |
| [03:44:00] | monkeyBox: | gnarface: hmm.. well, I don't really have 6ch on this box, but should the player convert it to 2ch, even when the source is 6ch? |
| [03:45:00] | iggy: | hadees: well, it doesn't make sense |
| [03:45:00] | iggy: | HDTV is a US only(mostly) thing... the rest of the sane world uses dvb-t |
| [03:45:00] | monkeyBox: | what do I do if one of my boxes doesn't have a 6ch setup, but the other does, and they share the same Movies? |
| [03:45:00] | gnarface: | monkeyBox: is this your first day with a new wooden brain? |
| [03:45:00] | iggy: | there's nowhere that they overlap afaik |
| [03:46:00] | hadees: | iggy, why DVB is just a medium for reciving SAT right? and HDTV is a high quality TV format |
| [03:46:00] | CellarDoor: | What about the Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150 |
| [03:46:00] | monkeyBox: | gnarface: ? |
| [03:46:00] | gnarface: | hahahah |
| [03:46:00] | SarahEmm: | err, you mean ATSC iggy? |
| [03:46:00] | iggy: | DVB-t means DVB terrestrial |
| [03:46:00] | SarahEmm: | ATSC vs. DVB-T? |
| [03:46:00] | hadees: | oh hmm |
| [03:46:00] | gnarface: | monkeyBox: just make sure the damn thing plays right on a system KNOWN TO HAVE A GOOD 6CHANNEL SETUP |
| [03:46:00] | iggy: | SarahEmm: synonmous for out discussion.... you pedantic...... |
| [03:46:00] | iggy: | *our |
| [03:46:00] | abarbaccia: | hey gnarface do i need to create one of these pid files? or should it make one for me when i go to run the 2nd instance |
| [03:47:00] | monkeyBox: | gnarface: what if one system has 6ch and the other doesn't, and they both share the same movie db? |
| [03:47:00] | CellarDoor: | I'd like to get a tv card for my kubuntu system that just works if you know what I mean ;) |
| [03:47:00] | iggy: | the 150 works for most people |
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| [03:47:00] | monkeyBox: | are you saying I'll have to make 2 different copies of the same movie, one for 6ch and one for 2ch? |
| [03:47:00] | hadees: | iggy, so could there be a DVB HDTV card? |
| [03:47:00] | iggy: | but there's never a gaurantee on anything in here |
| [03:47:00] | SarahEmm: | iggy: lol.. sowwy :) |
| [03:47:00] | CellarDoor: | the Hauppauge PVR-150 ? |
| [03:47:00] | iggy: | hadees: not that I know of |
| [03:47:00] | gnarface: | monkeyBox: the dvd you're copying from has (at least) two different audio tracks, and possibly more video tracks. |
| [03:47:00] | iggy: | CellarDoor: yes |
| [03:48:00] | gnarface: | monkeyBox: so you do the math. |
| [03:48:00] | CellarDoor: | ah rite cool thanks iggy |
| [03:48:00] | hadees: | if you want 2 tunners then the pvr-500 is really just two pvr-150s |
| [03:48:00] | CellarDoor: | I might go with that one then |
| [03:48:00] | CellarDoor: | I only need one |
| [03:48:00] | hadees: | pvr-250 is the best supported one |
| [03:48:00] | hadees: | first one really used |
| [03:49:00] | hadees: | man those were the days |
| [03:49:00] | SarahEmm: | heh |
| [03:49:00] | iggy: | the 150 seems to be slightly more stable than the 500 |
| [03:49:00] | SarahEmm: | the -500 doesn't work reliably for everyone yet tho |
| [03:49:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah |
| [03:49:00] | SarahEmm: | -500 works fine video-wise for me, but not for everyone |
| [03:49:00] | CellarDoor: | EverythingLinux in Sydney have the 150 in stock |
| [03:49:00] | hadees: | hmm really i would figure that since it was just 2 tuners it would stay pretty much in line with pvr-150 dev |
| [03:49:00] | gnarface: | abarbaccia: it should make one for you every time you run an instance of lircd. my copy bitched about the second one until i manually picked a different pidfile name for each instance. note you can do this with one of the lircd command-line options (man lircd) |
| [03:50:00] | gnarface: | hey everyone |
| [03:50:00] | SarahEmm: | hadees: you'd think :) |
| [03:50:00] | gnarface: | i have a serious issue |
| [03:50:00] | gnarface: | this pisses me off at least 3 times a day |
| [03:50:00] | SarahEmm: | hadees: some people seem to be able to get Tuner #1 going but not #2 |
| [03:50:00] | monkeyBox: | gnarface: I know this.. but what I was wondering is can apps like mplayer use a 6ch source and still work for a 2ch setup? I've ripped lots of 6ch movies before and they work fine on a 2ch system... |
| [03:50:00] | iggy: | yeah, I've had my 150 working since Feb, and everyone else seemed to have horrible trouble until about a month and half ago |
| [03:50:00] | gnarface: | how come nobody knows to read the man page first? |
| [03:50:00] | gnarface: | like seriously |
| [03:50:00] | CellarDoor: | hmm |
| [03:50:00] | JonK: | sarahemm: remove the 350 and the 500 works fine |
| [03:50:00] | gnarface: | someone needs to make billboards that just say "when in doubt, read the damn man page" |
| [03:50:00] | hadees: | iggy, i have had trouble with my m179s for ever |
| [03:50:00] | CellarDoor: | iggy, well, as long as it works ;) |
| [03:51:00] | hadees: | and everyone else seems to have no problem |
| [03:51:00] | iggy: | hadees: that's because you're the only one that has them :P |
| [03:51:00] | hadees: | iggy, they were $50 each |
| [03:51:00] | hadees: | same tuner as the pvr-250 |
| [03:51:00] | iggy: | they are just taunting you |
| [03:51:00] | JonK: | or how bout just RTFM across an entire billboard |
| [03:51:00] | abarbaccia: | gnarface, i did specify one – it said it couldnt open or create a file – i just dont get it |
| [03:51:00] | hadees: | the huge ebay deal |
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| [03:51:00] | iggy: | hadees: it was such a good deal for a reason.... |
| [03:52:00] | hadees: | iggy, hehe they charge more for them now |
| [03:52:00] | gnarface: | monkeyBox: then that's the question you should be asking, but you probably shouldn't be asking it in this channel, since none of us know. |
| [03:52:00] | abarbaccia: | gnarface, did you have a /dev/lircd1 before you ran the 2nd instance? because i don't have that device... |
| [03:52:00] | hadees: | iggy, the only problem is the removable connector |
| [03:52:00] | Johnny_Quest: | monkeybox |
| [03:52:00] | Johnny_Quest: | if you have a windows, you can make one copy with dvdshrink |
| [03:52:00] | abarbaccia: | gnarface, i have my other two devices (/dev/lirc0 and /dev/ledxmit0) but only one lircd device which i think is the problem |
| [03:53:00] | gnarface: | abarbaccia: /dev/lircd gets created on the fly. |
| [03:53:00] | monkeyBox: | Johnny_Quest: no, I don't have windows on my DVD machine, but what exactly does that do? |
| [03:53:00] | Johnny_Quest: | rips it, compresses it to 4.7 gb |
| [03:53:00] | Johnny_Quest: | and you can select wat audio tracks and subtitles you want |
| [03:53:00] | abarbaccia: | gnarface, so its all about me getting that 2nd instance of lircd running – i am going to try tomorrow just running the irblaster part to see if that works, then i can fuss with getting both simultaniously |
| [03:54:00] | gnarface: | abarbaccia: check permissions of the user starting lircd first... and make sure you're using a *different* pidfile for each instance of lircd. |
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| [03:54:00] | monkeyBox: | Johnny_Quest: sounds nice.. there's no linux equivilent? |
| [03:54:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i dont know.. |
| [03:54:00] | Johnny_Quest: | im new to linux |
| [03:54:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i do alot of video editing/stealing on windows tho |
| [03:54:00] | gnarface: | abarbaccia: make sure you name your /dev/lircd devices differently too |
| [03:54:00] | Johnny_Quest: | its not the best quality |
| [03:54:00] | Johnny_Quest: | but its the easiest |
| [03:55:00] | Johnny_Quest: | and on my amd 64 takes 15 minutes tops to rip and compress |
| [03:55:00] | abarbaccia: | gnarface, im gonna specify each file specifically, then test them individually, if they both work seperate- together is a small problem to conquer |
| [03:55:00] | abarbaccia: | thanks for all the help! |
| [03:55:00] | abarbaccia: | goodnite all |
| [03:55:00] | Johnny_Quest: | and if you have nero, it will burn it too |
| [03:55:00] | reel: | gnarface: I just sent out an email to the discussion list that should explain the situation summary pretty well if you want to see it |
| [03:55:00] | Johnny_Quest: | all in one step |
| [03:56:00] | gnarface: | reel: k. |
| [03:56:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i think http://atrpms.net/ blocked my ip... |
| [03:56:00] | Johnny_Quest: | cuz i refreshed my ip and i can now connect... |
| [03:57:00] | reel: | Johnny_Quest: I am having the same problems |
| [03:57:00] | Johnny_Quest: | really? |
| [03:57:00] | reel: | I can't connect right now |
| [03:57:00] | Johnny_Quest: | unplug your modem |
| [03:57:00] | Johnny_Quest: | plug it back in |
| [03:57:00] | Johnny_Quest: | worked for me |
| [03:57:00] | Johnny_Quest: | im not going through the router anymore either.. |
| [03:57:00] | reel: | which ISP? |
| [03:57:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i just pluged right into it |
| [03:57:00] | Johnny_Quest: | bright house/road runner |
| [03:57:00] | reel: | i am on cox, so no connection there |
| [03:57:00] | reel: | i will refresh my cable modem, brb |
| [03:57:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i dled a bunch from there earlier |
| [03:57:00] | reel: | same |
| [03:58:00] | Johnny_Quest: | and then it stopped |
| [03:58:00] | reel: | i did a new system dist-upgrade |
| [03:58:00] | Johnny_Quest: | same here |
| [03:58:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i got fc4 |
| [03:58:00] | reel: | brb |
| [03:58:00] | Johnny_Quest: | to see if it had the stuffi wanted |
| [03:58:00] | Johnny_Quest: | it didnt |
| [03:58:00] | Johnny_Quest: | so now im going back to fc3 |
| [03:58:00] | Johnny_Quest: | 4th install totday |
| [04:00:00] | gnarface: | http://www.somafm.com/groovesalad.pls |
| [04:00:00] | gnarface: | stick that in your xmms and play it |
| [04:00:00] | gnarface: | quickly |
| [04:00:00] | gnarface: | this is a good track |
| [04:00:00] | JonK: | anyone know how i might make a pvr500 be probed before a pvr350? |
| [04:00:00] | Johnny_Quest: | (i dont know what that means) |
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| [04:00:00] | JonK: | johnny just switch to ununtu |
| [04:00:00] | iggy: | move it closer to or further away from the cpu |
| [04:00:00] | JonK: | ubuntu |
| [04:00:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i was on ubuntu |
| [04:01:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i crashed the GDM 3 times |
| [04:01:00] | reel: | ok i am really confused as to why I didn't disconnect from here after unplugging my cable modem for 30 seconds... |
| [04:01:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i gave up on it |
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| [04:01:00] | Johnny_Quest: | cuz you didnt sign off |
| [04:01:00] | Johnny_Quest: | it happens with irc and aim |
| [04:01:00] | Johnny_Quest: | if you pull the plug |
| [04:01:00] | reel: | odd |
| [04:01:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i think im on under johnnyquest still |
| [04:01:00] | JonK: | i tried switching the order once, did nothing, add space>? |
| [04:01:00] | Johnny_Quest: | ya i am |
| [04:01:00] | Johnny_Quest: | can you connect now reel? |
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| [04:01:00] | reel: | let me try |
| [04:01:00] | Johnny_Quest: | if so tell me if you get the dist-upgrade |
| [04:02:00] | reel: | nope |
| [04:02:00] | Johnny_Quest: | cuz i have to do that tonight along with some other stuff.. |
| [04:02:00] | Johnny_Quest: | hmm |
| [04:02:00] | reel: | I can't connect still. but my IP remained the same |
| [04:02:00] | reel: | it always does with these guys |
| [04:02:00] | Johnny_Quest: | did you unplug the power to yout modem? |
| [04:02:00] | reel: | yes |
| [04:02:00] | Johnny_Quest: | oo that sux |
| [04:02:00] | Johnny_Quest: | mine changes everytime i unplug |
| [04:02:00] | Johnny_Quest: | its great |
| [04:02:00] | reel: | yeah. it really does. I used to have some koreans trying daily to crack my passwords on my ssh box |
| [04:02:00] | reel: | i eventually had to switch to hosts.allow to block them out |
| [04:03:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i change my ip daily cuz i unplug it so often for interent probs.. |
| [04:03:00] | iggy: | reel: one of my friends has this handy iptables rule that blocks that kind of stuff |
| [04:03:00] | JonK: | now trying to boot with 2 pvr 500s and a pvr 350 |
| [04:04:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i thought you had to unplugg it for something like 2 minutes or more reel... |
| [04:04:00] | Johnny_Quest: | mine, i dont |
| [04:04:00] | Johnny_Quest: | but thats what they tell me.. |
| [04:04:00] | reel: | Johnny_Quest: no idea. but it never changes even if i wait a day |
| [04:04:00] | Johnny_Quest: | o wow |
| [04:04:00] | Johnny_Quest: | that sux |
| [04:04:00] | Johnny_Quest: | did you ask for a static ip? |
| [04:04:00] | Johnny_Quest: | cuz you can run servers with that.. |
| [04:04:00] | Johnny_Quest: | ususaly you have to pay more for that |
| [04:04:00] | reel: | iggy: yeah, that sounds like the fancy way. my hosts.allow is still pretty limited |
| [04:04:00] | timbus: | hey guys, sorry if this is a dumb question. I justed installed knoppmyth, the first time it booted it ran thru its code and asked for my username, but then it just sits there with (username)@mythtv:~$. how do i get it to boot? |
| [04:05:00] | reel: | Johnny_Quest: nope, i actually asked them to make it more dynamic so i could get a new IP but they said the only way they'd do that is if I paid for a static |
| [04:05:00] | Johnny_Quest: | reel, can you access the link through another source? |
| [04:05:00] | JonK: | iggy: have order of cards AGP --> pvr500 --> pvr350 --> pvr500 --> network |
| [04:05:00] | Johnny_Quest: | like a vpn? |
| [04:05:00] | reel: | i can try through a school computer |
| [04:05:00] | iggy: | reel: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=6935#6935 |
| [04:05:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i dont know much about how to use vpns...but they are supposed to be helpful.. |
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| [04:06:00] | iggy: | JonK: I've really got no clue how the kernel orders pci initialization |
| [04:07:00] | Johnny_Quest: | jonk. |
| [04:07:00] | JonK: | interesting, i have 3 of the 4 tuners working, plus the pvr350 |
| [04:07:00] | Johnny_Quest: | try disableing the slots in your bios, and then install one at a time that you want |
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| [04:07:00] | JonK: | yes, im going to take advice from johnnyquest |
| [04:07:00] | JonK: | good plan |
| [04:07:00] | Johnny_Quest: | and then ad the other slots after you get one to work |
| [04:07:00] | Johnny_Quest: | lol |
| [04:08:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i know a good bit about bios and stuff, just not linux |
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| [04:08:00] | JonK: | two days ago you didnt know how to untar a file |
| [04:08:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i knew how to do it on my windows |
| [04:08:00] | JonK: | it's the mix of the pvr350 and 500 that causes the problem |
| [04:08:00] | JonK: | i don't know if changing order would matter |
| [04:08:00] | iggy: | the kernel pci init and bios pci init are 2 totally seperate things |
| [04:08:00] | JonK: | but would be worth trying |
| [04:08:00] | skone: | i am looking at my schedule recordings, and was wondering what the Letters in the first column stand for, like E, F , P |
| [04:09:00] | iggy: | skone: mouse over |
| [04:09:00] | skone: | i tried that |
| [04:09:00] | Johnny_Quest: | im gonna be in here for a few months jonk, until i can get my mythbox to work |
| [04:10:00] | skone: | iggy: I am looking at it from mythweb |
| [04:10:00] | iggy: | look at the notes for the episode |
| [04:10:00] | reel: | Johnny_Quest: i can get to the domain through my school account but not from home anymore |
| [04:10:00] | skone: | ahh |
| [04:10:00] | Johnny_Quest: | so you can access it if you add your school things through the link? |
| [04:10:00] | skone: | thanks |
| [04:10:00] | JonK: | P= previously recorded |
| [04:10:00] | iggy: | reel: look for ssh tunneling |
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| [04:11:00] | Johnny_Quest: | why are they blocking us for doing dist-upgrade? |
| [04:11:00] | JonK: | r= previously recorded and still there |
| [04:11:00] | reel: | no big deal. i don't need to get in right now. i wonder if he is getting nailed on bandwidth from the fc4 release or if he is throttling us for some reason |
| [04:11:00] | skone: | yea, I found it in the notes |
| [04:11:00] | JonK: | e= will record at other time |
| [04:11:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i dunno |
| [04:11:00] | JonK: | 1,2,3, ..tuner used to record |
| [04:11:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i was thinking that |
| [04:12:00] | ** iggy needs to order up an air2pc card ** | |
| [04:12:00] | JonK: | so, i can have 2 tuners with 2 cards, or 4 tuners with three |
| [04:12:00] | JonK: | woot |
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| [04:12:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i wanted to get mythtv tonight..and get it at least installed... |
| [04:12:00] | JonK: | need to redo mythtv-setup |
| [04:12:00] | Johnny_Quest: | and ive been just haveing too much trouble with taht server |
| [04:12:00] | SarahEmm: | Johnny_Quest: what's the problem? |
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| [04:12:00] | Johnny_Quest: | tick that in your xmms and play it |
| [04:12:00] | Johnny_Quest: | <gnarface> quickly |
| [04:12:00] | reel: | SarahEmm: he is having trouble with atrpms also |
| [04:12:00] | Johnny_Quest: | whoops |
| [04:13:00] | SarahEmm: | ahh |
| [04:13:00] | Johnny_Quest: | it blocks our ips when we do dist-upgrade |
| [04:13:00] | reel: | SarahEmm: he + I both did a dist-upgrade today and it seems we got throttled or something |
| [04:13:00] | Mdog: | hey everybdoy. I've been using mythtv successfully now for several months. I'm just now trying to get my remote going. When I try to run irw to see if I'm getting signals, irw returns immediately and lircd crashes...anybody seen that before? |
| [04:13:00] | reel: | (a dist-upgrade from a fresh install that is) |
| [04:13:00] | Johnny_Quest: | if i change my ip it works fine |
| [04:13:00] | iggy: | OMFG, air2pc out of stock |
| [04:13:00] | Johnny_Quest: | well, i can connect |
| [04:14:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i reformated cuz i thought it might have been my comptuer or something... |
| [04:14:00] | Johnny_Quest: | well, i put fc4 on it |
| [04:14:00] | Johnny_Quest: | and now im putting fc3 back on it |
| [04:14:00] | Mdog: | gdb says irw exits normally (immediately after I say run).... |
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| [04:15:00] | skone: | oh yea, one more question. I am running knoppmyth and I dumped an avi file into /myth/video/ |
| [04:15:00] | skone: | should it show up automatically on the frontend? |
| [04:15:00] | skone: | cause whenever I go into mythvideo it doesnt see it |
| [04:17:00] | Mdog: | it also seems like lircd crashes as soon as I launch mythfrontend....like just trying to communicate with it makes it crash.... |
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| [04:18:00] | hadees: | does anyone know a good serial->usb converter that has a low profile so it would be good to use inside a case and is known to work with linux |
| [04:19:00] | SarahEmm: | look around local stores? |
| [04:19:00] | SarahEmm: | there's lots of ones that are built right into the 9pin shell |
| [04:21:00] | gnarface: | Mdog: that happened to me alot when i had my --device and --output options screwed up |
| [04:22:00] | Mdog: | gnarface yeah I just figured out it is looking for /dev/lirc but on my system I have /dev/lircd for whatever reason |
| [04:23:00] | reel: | has anyone gotten wpa_supplicant working? |
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| [04:24:00] | reel: | freaking thing seems to panic my kernel no matter what i do |
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| [04:25:00] | Mdog: | gnarface what did you end up with for --output? |
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| [04:34:00] | Ray_: | Anyone here that uses the Hauppauge PVR-150... how is the picture quality? |
| [04:34:00] | cortezdapimp: | heyo |
| [04:34:00] | cortezdapimp: | i use it, its cool. no s-video input yet though. |
| [04:34:00] | ** SarahEmm has a 500 which is just two -150s on a card ** | |
| [04:35:00] | SarahEmm: | picture quality looks great to me |
| [04:35:00] | cortezdapimp: | also it seems like the colors are a bit saturated or something, might be my nvidia tv-out though. |
| [04:35:00] | cortezdapimp: | (havent tested it with a dvd or anything |
| [04:35:00] | Mdog: | does anybody here have a remote working with fedora core 3? |
| [04:36:00] | cortezdapimp: | my question is about mythstreamtv |
| [04:36:00] | cortezdapimp: | anyone use it? |
| [04:36:00] | Ray_: | From what I have been reading via googling alot of people are complaining that the picture quality is not that great? Does anyone know how it compares to the 250 and 350 models? |
| [04:36:00] | cortezdapimp: | i think it depends which ivtv version you are using |
| [04:36:00] | cortezdapimp: | it used to be a lot worse than it is now |
| [04:37:00] | sphing|food: | anyone know how much cpu usage dd uses? |
| [04:37:00] | cortezdapimp: | for the record i use the stable branch version that has 150 support – 0.2.0-rc3 i believe |
| [04:37:00] | Ray_: | What model card seems to have the best quality> |
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| [04:40:00] | Ray_: | cortezdapimp: How does the picture quality compare on the tv with using a mythtv box and your regular cable quality? |
| [04:40:00] | SarahEmm: | sphing: almost none other than what it sucks up for I/O |
| [04:40:00] | cortezdapimp: | my regular cable already kinda sucks cuz they overcompress everything |
| [04:40:00] | sphing: | root 6949 1.0 0.0 0 0 tty1 D+ 20:20 2:05 [dd] |
| [04:41:00] | sphing: | SarahEmm: that look weird? |
| [04:41:00] | SarahEmm: | no |
| [04:41:00] | SarahEmm: | D means it's waiting on I/O |
| [04:41:00] | cortezdapimp: | actually i change my mind – it looks great when i look at stuff over the network |
| [04:41:00] | SarahEmm: | dd spends almost all its time in that likely |
| [04:41:00] | sphing: | its been like that for about 2 hours |
| [04:42:00] | sphing: | why are there brackets around it... |
| [04:42:00] | sphing: | SarahEmm: and i got a kswap error with some kernel debugging output |
| [04:42:00] | sphing: | *kwapd |
| [04:42:00] | sphing: | **kswapd |
| [04:44:00] | SarahEmm: | sphing: okay, *that* is bad. |
| [04:44:00] | sphing: | hehe yea... i'm gonna kill it |
| [04:44:00] | sphing: | and reboot? |
| [04:47:00] | Ray_: | cortezdapimp: What are you referring to when you say "over the network"? |
| [04:47:00] | cortezdapimp: | on my mac |
| [04:47:00] | cortezdapimp: | like i have my /myth drive shared over smb |
| [04:47:00] | Ray_: | oh ok |
| [04:47:00] | cortezdapimp: | and so i can view the nuv's in mplayer |
| [04:50:00] | sphing: | ... trying the freezer trick |
| [04:50:00] | sphing: | hopefully it will work |
| [04:50:00] | cortezdapimp: | woohoo i got mythstreamtv to work. i just can't get it to work with transcoded files :\ |
| [04:52:00] | Ray_: | cortezdapimp: The PVR-150 doesn't have IR with it right? |
| [04:52:00] | cortezdapimp: | mce doesnt, regular does |
| [04:52:00] | cortezdapimp: | i use a ati remote wonder though |
| [04:52:00] | Ray_: | Do you use that to replace both your mouse and keyboard? |
| [04:52:00] | cortezdapimp: | pretty much |
| [04:53:00] | cortezdapimp: | i don't have it configured properly though, so i'm wasting a lot of buttons |
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| [04:55:00] | Ray_: | cortezdapimp: So I pretty much have to buy a IR reciever plus a remote if I don't get the regular 150 model? |
| [04:56:00] | cortezdapimp: | right. |
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| [04:56:00] | cortezdapimp: | ati remote wonder is like $30 |
| [04:56:00] | timbus: | hey does anyone know any of those sites that post really good deals for computer parts? |
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| [04:58:00] | rpete: | pricewatch.com ? |
| [04:59:00] | timbus: | sort of like that, but people submit found rebates and deals etc |
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| [05:09:00] | Ray_: | timbus: hardocp.com forums link to various sites as you have described |
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| [05:13:00] | sphing: | timbus: www.slickdeals.net |
| [05:18:00] | reel: | arg why does the one package i want right now have to be on atrpms which I can't connect to? :( |
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| [05:34:00] | cortezdapimp: | i use fatwallet.com |
| [05:34:00] | cortezdapimp: | i just got a seagate 160GB drive for $40 taht way |
| [05:35:00] | mchou: | cortezdapimp: where was that from? |
| [05:36:00] | mchou: | the hdd deal.... |
| [05:36:00] | cortezdapimp: | best buy |
| [05:36:00] | mchou: | heh, really? |
| [05:36:00] | cortezdapimp: | i did an online order with in-store pickup – hold on i'll get you some links |
| [05:37:00] | mchou: | I still have a BB $30 gift cert from 3 yrs ago...... |
| [05:37:00] | mchou: | I never shop at worst buy :) |
| [05:37:00] | cortezdapimp: | sign in from this address |
| [05:37:00] | cortezdapimp: | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pc . . . p=rdr0000057 |
| [05:37:00] | Ray_: | cortezpimp: Was the after rebate? |
| [05:37:00] | cortezdapimp: | thats after rebate |
| [05:37:00] | cortezdapimp: | 70$ in rebates though. |
| [05:37:00] | cortezdapimp: | plus that drive has a 5yr warranty |
| [05:37:00] | mchou: | cortezdapimp: Is that a referral link? :) |
| [05:37:00] | cortezdapimp: | no its a promotion to get 10% off |
| [05:38:00] | mchou: | cortezdapimp: ok. |
| [05:38:00] | cortezdapimp: | well it could be a referral link, but its not for me haha |
| [05:38:00] | cortezdapimp: | but it does give you 10% off, making the drive 109.99 |
| [05:38:00] | cortezdapimp: | and then you get 70 in MIR |
| [05:38:00] | mchou: | aww crap. |
| [05:38:00] | cortezdapimp: | no shipping if you pick in-store pickup. |
| [05:38:00] | cortezdapimp: | whats wrong? |
| [05:38:00] | mchou: | you goota create an account on bb.com? |
| [05:39:00] | mchou: | gotta* |
| [05:39:00] | cortezdapimp: | if you want to make it 40 and not 50 you do |
| [05:39:00] | cortezdapimp: | but you could just go into the store and get it for 50 |
| [05:39:00] | mchou: | sheesh |
| [05:39:00] | cortezdapimp: | me, i dont mind making an account with them. |
| [05:39:00] | mchou: | I never buy stuff from BB. |
| [05:40:00] | mchou: | I think they are scam artists. |
| [05:40:00] | cortezdapimp: | me neither but i have my own domain so i made a bestbuy at bonfatti.net throwaway address. |
| [05:40:00] | cortezdapimp: | in case of spam |
| [05:40:00] | mchou: | Is that like spamgourmet? |
| [05:40:00] | cortezdapimp: | huh? |
| [05:41:00] | cortezdapimp: | i dunno what spamgourmet is |
| [05:41:00] | mchou: | http://www.spamgourmet.net |
| [05:41:00] | cortezdapimp: | but my domain just points all non-user addresses to my account, i send spammy addresses into a blackhole |
| [05:41:00] | mchou: | ahh, ok. |
| [05:42:00] | Chessman: | Hi all, do you know if you can capture the digital stream from Comcast using Firewire? I know it works with HD, but I'm just not sure about "straight" digital. |
| [05:42:00] | mchou: | I'm waiting for a good deal on >250GB drives. |
| [05:42:00] | cortezdapimp: | as long as your box has fw |
| [05:42:00] | Ray_: | http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Seagate-Intern . . . uctDetail.do |
| [05:42:00] | cortezdapimp: | mchou i know what you mean |
| [05:42:00] | Ray_: | better yet... get circuitcity to pricematch it |
| [05:42:00] | ** KarlosII asks does anyone know who the mythical character boadicia is? ** | |
| [05:42:00] | Chessman: | cortezdapimp, okay. It does. |
| [05:43:00] | cortezdapimp: | chessman: huh? |
| [05:43:00] | Chessman: | cortezdapimp, I thought you were answering my question about capturing "straight" digital from Comcast. |
| [05:44:00] | cortezdapimp: | oh ya i was |
| [05:44:00] | Chessman: | cortezdapimp, hehe |
| [05:44:00] | cortezdapimp: | i just wasnt paying attention to who asked lol. |
| [05:45:00] | cortezdapimp: | Ray assuming they pricemwatch it (which they won't since its an online offer) how will i get the best buy rebates? |
| [05:45:00] | JohnnyQuest: | www.pricewatch.com |
| [05:45:00] | JohnnyQuest: | thats wehre i buy everything |
| [05:45:00] | cortezdapimp: | pricewatch doesnt give you rebate prices usually |
| [05:45:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i hate rebates |
| [05:45:00] | cortezdapimp: | not that im a huge fan of rebates |
| [05:45:00] | JohnnyQuest: | you never get them back |
| [05:45:00] | cortezdapimp: | but a rebate here and there never hurt nobody |
| [05:45:00] | JohnnyQuest: | well, sometimes you do |
| [05:45:00] | JohnnyQuest: | 6 months later |
| [05:46:00] | cortezdapimp: | i've never had trouble. ya it takes awhile, but BFD |
| [05:46:00] | mchou: | naw, rebates are getting better. |
| [05:46:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i got a 160 gb seagate 8mb cache for 100 online with free 2day shippng |
| [05:46:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i only get seagates, only ones with 5 year warentys |
| [05:46:00] | cortezdapimp: | yea me too. |
| [05:46:00] | Ray_: | cortezdapimp: I have got both Staples and CircuitCity to pricematch online specials all the time. |
| [05:46:00] | mchou: | I had 3 Circuit City rebates show up w/in 3 wkks of submission. |
| [05:46:00] | JohnnyQuest: | wow |
| [05:46:00] | JohnnyQuest: | thats good |
| [05:47:00] | cortezdapimp: | ray: what about the rebates |
| [05:47:00] | JohnnyQuest: | when i get them to show up, i forgot i was getting them |
| [05:47:00] | cortezdapimp: | haha |
| [05:47:00] | JohnnyQuest: | to me its like, o yea |
| [05:47:00] | Ray_: | if the price is $40.00 after rebate then they give it to you for a straight $40.00 no rebates |
| [05:47:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i get free money |
| [05:47:00] | cortezdapimp: | no way |
| [05:47:00] | JohnnyQuest: | wow |
| [05:47:00] | mchou: | costco has the best rebate procedure though |
| [05:47:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i gotta try that |
| [05:47:00] | cortezdapimp: | whats costco's rebate procedure? |
| [05:48:00] | mchou: | all electronic. No need to submit anything except recipt # :) |
| [05:48:00] | JohnnyQuest: | what is costco? |
| [05:48:00] | cortezdapimp: | thats cool. |
| [05:48:00] | cortezdapimp: | its like BJs or sams club |
| [05:48:00] | JohnnyQuest: | o ok |
| [05:49:00] | mchou: | and you generally get rebat from costco w/in 2 wks. |
| [05:49:00] | mchou: | rebate* |
| [05:50:00] | mchou: | Ray_: ever had any luck in getting BB to pricematch?? |
| [05:50:00] | mchou: | (might as well bang your head against wall) :) |
| [05:51:00] | JohnnyQuest: | bb rips you off |
| [05:51:00] | JohnnyQuest: | they have the same items as cc for more often |
| [05:51:00] | mchou: | the BB pricematch policy with a gazillion loopholes. |
| [05:51:00] | Ray_: | mchou: I actually have never tried to get BB to pricematch... because I always go to other places to pricematch BBs prices :-P |
| [05:51:00] | mchou: | (we only pricematch when we feel like it) |
| [05:52:00] | mchou: | oh, and you can cash the rebate checks from costco at costco :) |
| [05:53:00] | mchou: | that's driving customer loyalty :) |
| [05:53:00] | cortezdapimp: | lol |
| [05:53:00] | cortezdapimp: | costco is not bad |
| [05:53:00] | mchou: | yeah, costco is pretty cool. |
| [05:54:00] | mchou: | got my herman miller aeron chair there even :) |
| [05:54:00] | cortezdapimp: | until my buddy started working at bjs i only had a costco account (he gave me a free one) |
| [05:54:00] | cortezdapimp: | word up |
| [05:54:00] | rjune: | BJs? |
| [05:54:00] | mchou: | cortezdapimp: what is BJs? |
| [05:54:00] | rpete: | just like costco and sams |
| [05:54:00] | mchou: | sounds kinky :) |
| [05:54:00] | cortezdapimp: | mchou: like costco and sams club |
| [05:54:00] | rpete: | seems to be only in the northeast? |
| [05:54:00] | cortezdapimp: | lol |
| [05:54:00] | rjune: | mchou: that's what I'm thinking |
| [05:54:00] | cortezdapimp: | well it goes down the east coast |
| [05:54:00] | cortezdapimp: | but mostly in the northeast. |
| [05:55:00] | rjune: | BJs gose down the east coast? sounds like a good time to me |
| [05:55:00] | rpete: | we have them everywhere here but I've never been to one |
| [05:55:00] | cortezdapimp: | i know there are some in GA and thereabouts cuz my buddy had to go down and help open some of them |
| [05:55:00] | mchou: | rjune: lol |
| [05:55:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ive never heard of bjs |
| [05:55:00] | mchou: | how about south of the equator? |
| [05:55:00] | JohnnyQuest: | im in florida |
| [05:55:00] | JohnnyQuest: | sams club and costco, we have them |
| [05:56:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i had never seen costco written before.. |
| [05:56:00] | cortezdapimp: | does staples only sell maxtor? |
| [05:56:00] | JohnnyQuest: | just heard of it |
| [05:56:00] | cortezdapimp: | its all the same shit. |
| [05:56:00] | SarahEmm: | cl |
| [05:56:00] | Ray_: | cortezdapimp: There online store does not list all of the products... it is store dependent |
| [05:56:00] | cortezdapimp: | ah |
| [05:57:00] | cortezdapimp: | i should go check it out then, i want two if i can get it $40 right then and there – i'll return the BB one lol |
| [05:57:00] | Ray_: | Especially the "Business" stores... |
| [05:57:00] | rpete: | costco is cool if you need to buy like 10 lb of salmon or a 55 gallon drum of mayonnaise |
| [05:57:00] | cortezdapimp: | haha |
| [05:57:00] | cortezdapimp: | they have Cheesecake factory cheesecakes there that are pretty good |
| [05:57:00] | cortezdapimp: | that might've been at bjs, i forget |
| [05:58:00] | mchou: | rpete: yeah, my brother calls that "uncivilized shopping" |
| [05:58:00] | cortezdapimp: | anyone use mythstreamtv? |
| [05:58:00] | Ray_: | Hey... what brand of IR remotes are you guys using? |
| [05:58:00] | mchou: | 55lb of mayo probably would last me a lifetime :) |
| [05:58:00] | cortezdapimp: | i'm trying to get it to stream mpeg4 transcoded stuff |
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| [05:59:00] | SarahEmm: | ray: Microsoft. |
| [05:59:00] | cortezdapimp: | Ray_ i have a hauppauge one that came wiht my pvr 150 but i haven't set it up yet. for now im using a ati remote wonder |
| [06:00:00] | Mdog: | does anybody have any advice on getting /dev/lirc* entries on fedora core 3? |
| [06:01:00] | Mdog: | I installed the lirc package, and modprobe -l shows lots of lirc related crapola, but I see nothing in /dev except for /dev/lircd (what is that?) |
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| [06:09:00] | travolta: | use mknod ? |
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| [06:14:00] | levander: | I'm trying to figure out if my dual PIII-550 with 512 MB RAM is going to be fast enough to run Myth on (after adding hadware encoding/decoding cards). |
| [06:14:00] | Mdog: | just in case any bots are watching, I installed the patch given here http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#lirc and I now have a working irw |
| [06:15:00] | Mdog: | but myth still doesn't see my keypresses...but irw is 90 percent of the battle from what I'm reading |
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| [06:15:00] | levander: | That will be fast enough to use it as Myth box and occasionally as a workstation? |
| [06:15:00] | ottago: | levander: It is even without hardware encoding boards. I use a PIII 600 without too much trouble. |
| [06:16:00] | levander: | ottago: you use it both for regular computer stuff (like X-Windows) as well as myth? |
| [06:16:00] | levander: | ottago: and what you mean too much trouble? |
| [06:17:00] | ottago: | levander: I don't use it as a work station as well. Its a dedicated Myth box |
| [06:17:00] | rpete: | sure levander, presumably you won't be hardware decoding while running a word processor, and dual PIII means you can do anything at all while hardware encoding |
| [06:17:00] | ottago: | levander: the trouble is the single processor just isn't fast enough to play and record at the same time. It becomes a little jumpy. |
| [06:18:00] | levander: | but my system is even slow now when I'm loading applications, like FF. It takes maybe five seconds to start FF. But that's really the only way my system feels too slow. |
| [06:18:00] | timbus: | can you play backed up dvds on a tv with a hauppage 150 or 250? or do you need the TV out that is in the 350? |
| [06:18:00] | levander: | i'm just using it as a regular linux box now |
| [06:18:00] | levander: | no myth |
| [06:21:00] | levander: | ottago: oh, i see, would be kind of annoying to make sure you not watching and encoding at same time... |
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| [06:22:00] | Ray_: | Has anyone here used the Snapstream Firefly remote? |
| [06:25:00] | tuxristo: | Ray_ I think it's based on the ati remote, which i have, and find it to have too short a range :( and to be fussy about EM inerference :((( |
| [06:26:00] | tuxristo: | i too wonder if the snapstream is better than the ati |
| [06:26:00] | Ray_: | tuxrist: Are there any remotes you recommend? |
| [06:27:00] | timbus: | what about a wireless keyboard, heh |
| [06:27:00] | tuxristo: | all the rf remotes/keyboards i have used have sucked; i have a VERY good bluetooth keyboard. I have never tried LIRC |
| [06:28:00] | rjune: | I got a IR keyboard, man you wanna talk about suckage... |
| [06:28:00] | Ray_: | There is bluetooth support for Mythtv? |
| [06:28:00] | tuxristo: | no the keyboard just works – nos upport needed – just plug it in |
| [06:29:00] | Ray_: | Are you using the Microsoft Bluetooth keyboard? |
| [06:29:00] | ottago: | levander: it is a little. I'm hoping to get a better box soon. BUt since you have a dule processor, there should eb no problem |
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| [06:31:00] | tuxristo: | no, it's a logitech – can't see a model number on it :( |
| [06:31:00] | Ray_: | ahh... hmm... I wonder how the Microsoft Bluetooth keyboard will fair... I also have two bluetooth mice collecting dust... hmm |
| [06:32:00] | tuxristo: | http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/de . . . NTENTID=7153 |
| [06:34:00] | Ray_: | Has anyone here have a backend/frontends system for every tv? |
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| [06:40:00] | ** xris almost does, except that my workstation doesn't plug into my second tv (no ports available on the tv) ** | |
| [06:49:00] | ** sarah_yarr_away owns no TVs, uses LCD monitors as TVs ** | |
| [06:51:00] | ** darkfire enjoys using emotes. ** | |
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| [06:53:00] | darkfire: | well, i have a fronend for every TV, but i only have the one tv, so make of it what you will |
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| [07:00:00] | travolta: | i have a frontend for every computer :) |
| [07:01:00] | KarlosII: | ... |
| [07:01:00] | Ray_: | hmm... I was wondering because I have at least 6 tvs I am thinking about putting a frontend too |
| [07:02:00] | darkfire: | well, if and when i get a house, i fully intend to have a house server that will be the master backend, and having a frontend for every need. |
| [07:03:00] | darkfire: | ...i also intend to own many sports cars, knowing that is about as helpful as knowing the other, i suppose. |
| [07:03:00] | Ray_: | The biggest problem I have come to right now is dealing with network bandwidth.. having 11 computers running on a network in the house sucks up all the bandwidth it seems now.. |
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| [07:04:00] | darkfire: | Ray_, could always go for gigabit |
| [07:05:00] | Ray_: | true... but a 16 port switch is like $200 the last time I checked |
| [07:05:00] | darkfire: | that is the downside. |
| [07:06:00] | Ray_: | also don't have that type of cash to lay down... it's one thing to use all of the space components for front ends... but upgrading the whole network is too costly... |
| [07:06:00] | Ray_: | *spare |
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| [07:07:00] | darkfire: | of course, i wouldnt imagine myth would have too much of an impact on the network in a residential setting |
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| [07:10:00] | Ray_: | hmm... I wonder if having dual nics in the backend.. and a private network inside of the main network where the backend is the only system that connects to the main network... |
| [07:10:00] | Ray_: | would provide all of the bandwidth |
| [07:10:00] | darkfire: | that should do the trick nicely, i'd bet. |
| [07:11:00] | darkfire: | i mean, the only bandwidth myth will use is one video stream per frontend |
| [07:11:00] | Ray_: | with 6 front ends... I would think that it would easily suck up alot of bandwidth... especially with all of them going at the same time |
| [07:12:00] | travolta: | all 6 at the same time? |
| [07:12:00] | sarah_yarr_away: | are you going to be using all 6 TVs at once? |
| [07:12:00] | darkfire: | hrmm, i dont know enough about the specs to have an informed opinion |
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| [07:12:00] | Ray_: | yeah... 7 people in the house... |
| [07:12:00] | SarahEmm: | ahh. |
| [07:12:00] | SarahEmm: | then you need a beefy backend and gig-e |
| [07:12:00] | SarahEmm: | :) |
| [07:13:00] | Ray_: | I am starting to think 2 backends would be better... |
| [07:13:00] | Ray_: | but tied together though... |
| [07:14:00] | darkfire: | i think there'd be more cost-benifit bonus to biting the bullet and going gig-e |
| [07:14:00] | mchou: | Ray_: http://shop1.outpost.com/product/3887887?site . . . MAIN_RSLT_PG |
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| [07:14:00] | darkfire: | the problem is not enough bandwidth, using more nics/servers is just a band-aid. |
| [07:14:00] | SarahEmm: | gig-e isn't that expensive. |
| [07:16:00] | rjune: | wait, you're gonna tell me that you can't stream to 7 tvs at once on 100Mbit? |
| [07:16:00] | SarahEmm: | hmmm |
| [07:16:00] | SarahEmm: | lemme check |
| [07:16:00] | Ray_: | I was thinking of dual backends since just one backend with 6 front ends might put to much strain on the harddrives, etc... |
| [07:16:00] | SarahEmm: | according to MRTG i use about 2Mbps streaming for each frontend |
| [07:16:00] | SarahEmm: | so 6 should be fine on faste |
| [07:16:00] | SarahEmm: | i'd still go gig-e to be safe myself. |
| [07:16:00] | SarahEmm: | but i'm overcautious that way |
| [07:17:00] | SarahEmm: | ray: you'd still be potentially pulling shows from one disk |
| [07:17:00] | SarahEmm: | you'd likely want a RAID with a few drives in it at least |
| [07:17:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: WAY overcautious |
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| [07:17:00] | rjune: | you went from 14Mbit to 1Gbit |
| [07:18:00] | mchou: | hehe. Not to mention you never get gbE thruputs on pci anyways :) |
| [07:18:00] | SarahEmm: | rjune: yep. :) |
| [07:18:00] | Ray_: | mchou: http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4094232?site . . . MAIN_RSLT_PG That is what I would have to get at minium |
| [07:18:00] | SarahEmm: | mchou: no, but some on-mobo NICs are bypassing PCI and going right into the north bridge now |
| [07:18:00] | SarahEmm: | or you could go PCI-X ;) |
| [07:19:00] | mchou: | Ray_: nah. I dont see why you need 16 ports. just get 2 of the first link I mentioned earlier..... |
| [07:20:00] | mchou: | $180<<$300 |
| [07:20:00] | Ray_: | true |
| [07:21:00] | darkfire: | man, i dont know near enough about networking. |
| [07:21:00] | darkfire: | wouldnt 2 switches bottleneck at the connection between the switches? |
| [07:21:00] | SarahEmm: | could |
| [07:21:00] | SarahEmm: | yes |
| [07:21:00] | Ray_: | at gigbyte speeds with heavy congestion... You Bet ya! |
| [07:21:00] | SarahEmm: | unless you run 20 fast-e ports uplinked between switches with a dual-gig etherchannel or such :) |
| [07:22:00] | darkfire: | SarahEmm, now you're just trying to confuse me :-p |
| [07:22:00] | mchou: | gbE is way overkill for Ray_ anyways :) |
| [07:22:00] | Ray_: | I sure hope so... |
| [07:22:00] | SarahEmm: | darkfire: sorry! |
| [07:23:00] | Ray_: | I already have gigabyte supprorted cable laid for the most part... |
| [07:26:00] | rjune: | be lazy, use wifi |
| [07:27:00] | Ray_: | 802.11g is not enough bandwidth for two laptops streaming video off of it |
| [07:27:00] | SarahEmm: | gigabit not byte |
| [07:27:00] | SarahEmm: | gigabyte ethernet is 8gigabit ethernet, which doesn't exist ;) |
| [07:28:00] | Ray_: | oops... :-[ |
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| [07:28:00] | Ray_: | well technically it does... but unless you have a couple of thousand Cisco is not going to accomodate you... |
| [07:28:00] | SarahEmm: | heh |
| [07:29:00] | SarahEmm: | you *could* deploy TenGigE at home, but... probably overkill for myth |
| [07:29:00] | SarahEmm: | ;) |
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| [07:29:00] | Ray_: | I wonder if it would be for HDTV via Myth |
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| [07:33:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: better do it, just to be safe |
| [07:34:00] | Ray_: | lol |
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| [07:34:00] | drkdreamin: | heh |
| [07:34:00] | rjune: | Ray_: Uhm, 802.11g is enough for two laptops streaming video |
| [07:34:00] | rjune: | we've already established that. |
| [07:35:00] | rjune: | with all these people thinking streaming video requires SOO much bandwidth, how does ANYBODY manage to do it |
| [07:35:00] | twisted_one: | they dont |
| [07:35:00] | Ray_: | for the house I'm at it isn't... with two laptops going at once there is a constant drop of signal, etc... |
| [07:35:00] | twisted_one: | their computers blow up and kill them |
| [07:35:00] | twisted_one: | that would be caused by your router then, just be thankful it didnt blow up and kill you |
| [07:36:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [07:36:00] | Ray_: | signal... aka connection drop |
| [07:36:00] | twisted_one: | Ray_: thats not due to a bandwith limitation |
| [07:36:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: sure they do. |
| [07:36:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: I was being silly =P |
| [07:37:00] | rjune: | Ray_: that's shitty signal, which may cause low bandwith. 802.11G is cabable of 54Mb, with some implemenation up to 108Mb. More than enough for two laptops |
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| [07:37:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: they can actually get higher with new MIMO techs but thats neither here nor there |
| [07:37:00] | twisted_one: | thats just a sloppy workaround until 802.11N arrives |
| [07:37:00] | rjune: | mimo? |
| [07:37:00] | Ray_: | it's theoretical is 54Mb... it's actual is more like 30Mb at max and that is at a very good signal... |
| [07:37:00] | twisted_one: | Somethine like that |
| [07:38:00] | twisted_one: | basically it connects on 4 channels |
| [07:38:00] | drkdreamin: | rjune, most in most out. |
| [07:38:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: Ahhh, yeah I know what you're takling about |
| [07:38:00] | SarahEmm: | rjune: taking advantage of multipath to gain extra bandwidth instead of losing it |
| [07:38:00] | drkdreamin: | heh, but seriously, going to bed. |
| [07:38:00] | twisted_one: | Linksys just came out with a decent router with it, its got like 4 antennas, think looks redicilous |
| [07:38:00] | rjune: | Ray_: what hardware are you using? I've got a proxim WAP that will consistantly connect at hte other end of my house @ high 40s |
| [07:38:00] | Ray_: | mimo is just a wacked version of 802.11n... they call it mimo because the 802.11n spec is not done and they would get sued for using the spec designation name |
| [07:39:00] | rjune: | and the WAPs at my library do the same all over. |
| [07:39:00] | Ray_: | Saly I am using a Belkin router... don't care for it much in the feature department |
| [07:39:00] | Ray_: | *Sadly |
| [07:40:00] | twisted_one: | Belkin's are nice but sadly bare |
| [07:40:00] | twisted_one: | I've always had shitty luck with wireless so I just avoid it |
| [07:40:00] | rjune: | never tried them. I'm likeing the proxim and dlink stuff I've used though |
| [07:40:00] | ** SarahEmm likes wireless for laptops and wired for anything tied down ** | |
| [07:41:00] | twisted_one: | Sadly I dont yet own a laptop, but I would definatly go with it then |
| [07:41:00] | Ray_: | Everytime I get a surge in the house I have to reset the main router because the Blekin router just cases to want to grab a DNS... |
| [07:41:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: I've had some serious issues with my Dlink stiffs |
| [07:41:00] | Lews: | Would a Sempron 2400+ be good enough to encode and watch video at the same time? Or would I need a card with an MPEG-2 encoder on it? |
| [07:41:00] | twisted_one: | stuffs* |
| [07:41:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: your dlink stiffs? |
| [07:41:00] | twisted_one: | Lews: should be good enough. |
| [07:41:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: router/cards |
| [07:41:00] | twisted_one: | wireless that is |
| [07:41:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: I like wifi for anywhere I don't want to run a wire |
| [07:41:00] | Lews: | twisted_one: thanks, didn't want to spend $100+ if I didn't have to |
| [07:42:00] | twisted_one: | Lews: I run it just fine on a 2200 so definatly should be fine |
| [07:42:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: pretty sure we got dlink @ the library. cool stuff, does A, B, and G |
| [07:42:00] | SarahEmm: | rjune: my house is a mess of cables, so i'm beyond that here heh |
| [07:42:00] | Lews: | twisted_one: k, thanks again |
| [07:42:00] | rjune: | if I run a cable, I'm gonna do it right |
| [07:42:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: yeah, I dont know if its just my particular router model, but its got a shitload of suckage going on and I see everyone having issues with it. |
| [07:42:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: nice, I like that =P |
| [07:43:00] | Ray_: | dlinks nic cards are a pretty big buggy mess...they run off of low level dos drivers... |
| [07:43:00] | Ray_: | though I never used any of their wi-fi products |
| [07:43:00] | twisted_one: | Ray_: its a different sort of mess =P |
| [07:43:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: heh |
| [07:43:00] | rjune: | there a web-interface for CVS? |
| [07:43:00] | twisted_one: | although I haven't had much trouble with the wireless card in linux, the driver for it in winblows gave me more than a few issues in the past. |
| [07:43:00] | xris: | rjune: several |
| [07:44:00] | rjune: | xris: for myth specificly. not in general |
| [07:44:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: i say i use the xbox to blend in with the tv area, but then it's sitting next to a VAX, and there's a mess of cables across the floor from that over to the rack, so i don't know why i even try anymore *giggle* |
| [07:44:00] | xris: | rjune: same answer |
| [07:44:00] | SarahEmm: | err... |
| [07:44:00] | xris: | well, two... |
| [07:44:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: you have a vax? nice. |
| [07:44:00] | twisted_one: | xbox, bah, is it running linux? |
| [07:44:00] | SarahEmm: | are you the same twisted i know from elsewhere, twisted? |
| [07:44:00] | rjune: | xris: would you share the URL? |
| [07:44:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: yeah, it's linux only. it's my frontend for myth for the living room |
| [07:44:00] | xris: | http://cvs.mythtv.org |
| [07:44:00] | SarahEmm: | rjune: couple of 'em heh |
| [07:44:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: nice! |
| [07:44:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: I dont think so, but Im going to pretend for now =P |
| [07:44:00] | rjune: | gracias |
| [07:44:00] | xris: | rjune: it's linked right from the main mythtv page. |
| [07:44:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: yeah, works decently.. going to drop more RAM in it soon i think |
| [07:44:00] | twisted_one: | stupid question.... |
| [07:44:00] | twisted_one: | VAX=? |
| [07:44:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: 'kay. nice to meet you, i'm obviously Sarah |
| [07:45:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one.geek_points--; |
| [07:45:00] | twisted_one: | Hi Sarah, I'm matt =) |
| [07:45:00] | twisted_one: | =\ |
| [07:45:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: cool |
| [07:45:00] | SarahEmm: | VAX is the series of DEC machines that came after the PDP series |
| [07:45:00] | rjune: | though of limited use |
| [07:45:00] | SarahEmm: | stands for Virtual Address Extension |
| [07:45:00] | SarahEmm: | what's of limited use? |
| [07:46:00] | SarahEmm: | a vax: http://www.shiresoft.com/pdp-11/home/vax-11-785-1.jpg |
| [07:46:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: a vax |
| [07:46:00] | twisted_one: | wow, thats quite large for a living room =P |
| [07:46:00] | SarahEmm: | rjune: depemds :) |
| [07:46:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: that's not |
| [07:46:00] | SarahEmm: | err |
| [07:46:00] | SarahEmm: | that's not *my* vax, that's *a* vax |
| [07:46:00] | twisted_one: | I know =P |
| [07:46:00] | SarahEmm: | my living room doubles as a computer room |
| [07:46:00] | SarahEmm: | various largeish machines, a rack, some other misc stuff. |
| [07:47:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: can I move in? |
| [07:47:00] | twisted_one: | I'll just blend in with the cables |
| [07:47:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [07:47:00] | xris: | sounds noisy. |
| [07:47:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: lol |
| [07:47:00] | SarahEmm: | xris: not everything runs all the time. |
| [07:47:00] | rjune: | does ijr show up here often? |
| [07:47:00] | xris: | SarahEmm: still |
| [07:47:00] | SarahEmm: | the rack is mainly a cisco lab, only the PDU, TS and switches stay up 24/7 |
| [07:47:00] | SarahEmm: | but yes, it gets noisy at times |
| [07:47:00] | SarahEmm: | not like it bothers me much. |
| [07:47:00] | rjune: | I'm not going there. |
| [07:48:00] | xris: | I keep my servers in the garage. and the single rackmount box is loud enough as it is. |
| [07:48:00] | ** SarahEmm has no garage :) ** | |
| [07:48:00] | Ray_: | What in the world do you run with that large of a system? |
| [07:48:00] | twisted_one: | I have a bedroom, thats it |
| [07:48:00] | twisted_one: | so I have like 4 machines in there |
| [07:48:00] | rjune: | Ray_: BIG software |
| [07:48:00] | twisted_one: | and its really hot =\ |
| [07:49:00] | Ray_: | rjune: BIG software as in? |
| [07:49:00] | rjune: | hell if I know it was a jok. BIG software for BIG hardware |
| [07:49:00] | SarahEmm: | ray: me? |
| [07:49:00] | Ray_: | yea |
| [07:49:00] | rjune: | wow, nobody gives mythgame any loving. that explains a bit |
| [07:50:00] | twisted_one: | heh |
| [07:50:00] | twisted_one: | funny you say that, Im building it right now |
| [07:50:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: building it or developing it? |
| [07:50:00] | rjune: | there's a difference |
| [07:50:00] | twisted_one: | and it seems there is someone on the mailing list who was doing some serious work on it, or atleast talkinga bout it. |
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| [07:50:00] | twisted_one: | building |
| [07:51:00] | twisted_one: | The only thing I develop is shitty software |
| [07:51:00] | rjune: | maybe I'll join the mailing list. |
| [07:51:00] | rjune: | Naaa., |
| [07:51:00] | SarahEmm: | ray: playing with, mostly. learning stuff, the odd bit of coding on, restoring hardware on.. |
| [07:51:00] | SarahEmm: | it's Old and a lot of the hardware requires restoration.. that's a big undertaking in itself |
| [07:52:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: its to busy to follow 800+ / week |
| [07:52:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: you got any old alphas or NeXT stations? |
| [07:52:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: I get enough useless mail, I don't need more |
| [07:52:00] | twisted_one: | alphas.... dr00l |
| [07:52:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: exactly |
| [07:52:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: I got an old 366 around here. needs RAM and a hard drive IIRC |
| [07:52:00] | Ray_: | SarahEmm: just one question... why> |
| [07:52:00] | Ray_: | *? |
| [07:53:00] | twisted_one: | Ray_: geek points, duh |
| [07:53:00] | xris: | SarahEmm is obviously a geek |
| [07:53:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: don't get too excited though, they ain't so fast anymore |
| [07:53:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: oh I know |
| [07:53:00] | SarahEmm: | ray: why? because i'm a geek, i like retrocomputing gear and electronics, and old machines are a challenge |
| [07:53:00] | twisted_one: | but the chip itself was a peice of art |
| [07:53:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: sympatico is an ISP, right? |
| [07:53:00] | SarahEmm: | it's a challenge to get them up and running, to keep them running.. |
| [07:53:00] | SarahEmm: | and i like being able to diagnose problems with a scope and a cheap logic analyzer. |
| [07:53:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: yeah, two LUGs attached directly to the chip. that's sweet |
| [07:54:00] | SarahEmm: | fix a tape drive with a voltmeter and a scope to find a logic issue. |
| [07:54:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: exactly |
| [07:54:00] | SarahEmm: | rjune: yeah, it's Bell here. |
| [07:54:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: I love how they still tote the alpha designers around hoping they strike gold again |
| [07:54:00] | SarahEmm: | the PSUs are all either linear or discrete component switchers.. easy to fix :) |
| [07:54:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: from what I understand they did. as I understand it, most of the alpha guys went to AMD and developed the opteron |
| [07:54:00] | ** SarahEmm is weird. ** | |
| [07:55:00] | rjune: | yeah, but we love you anyway |
| [07:55:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: hrmm, I think intel actually has alot |
| [07:55:00] | SarahEmm: | yay! thankyou rjune |
| [07:55:00] | twisted_one: | but if they did the opteron, then yes, they did. |
| [07:55:00] | twisted_one: | I wish I could find a geek girl around here =P |
| [07:55:00] | Ray_: | 2/3 of them went to AMD... intel got the left overs |
| [07:55:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: I said think. its the rumour I heard. and it accounts for why AMD suddenly had this amazing 64-bit proc |
| [07:55:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: move to .ca |
| [07:56:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: working on it =P |
| [07:56:00] | SarahEmm: | are geek grrls more plentiful in .ca? |
| [07:56:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: naaa, he just wants to live with you |
| [07:56:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [07:56:00] | SarahEmm: | lol |
| [07:56:00] | Ray_: | they certantly are not on the East coast |
| [07:56:00] | SarahEmm: | something tells me twisted_one is more likely looking for a straight geek grrl tho.... |
| [07:56:00] | twisted_one: | nor in the corn fields |
| [07:56:00] | xris: | lol |
| [07:56:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: Im not picky |
| [07:56:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [07:56:00] | SarahEmm: | lol |
| [07:56:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: not as long as he can watch, and sometimes join in |
| [07:56:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [07:57:00] | twisted_one: | now kids, behave |
| [07:57:00] | twisted_one: | I'm a good boy |
| [07:57:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: WI? you're not too far from me |
| [07:57:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: lol |
| [07:57:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: that's what they all say |
| [07:57:00] | twisted_one: | not normally |
| [07:57:00] | twisted_one: | im in wi on vacation |
| [07:57:00] | xris: | so as long as your gf is bi, it's ok... |
| [07:57:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: where abouts in wi? |
| [07:57:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: where are you from? |
| [07:57:00] | rjune: | I'm in IN |
| [07:57:00] | twisted_one: | no shit |
| [07:57:00] | twisted_one: | where? |
| [07:57:00] | rjune: | ayup |
| [07:57:00] | twisted_one: | ayup? |
| [07:57:00] | rjune: | Northern, by South Bend |
| [07:57:00] | twisted_one: | ah |
| [07:57:00] | SarahEmm: | xris: she is, but.. that's not the point :P |
| [07:57:00] | twisted_one: | Im a student at Purdue |
| [07:57:00] | rjune: | lucky you |
| [07:57:00] | twisted_one: | Im from joliet, IL |
| [07:57:00] | rjune: | I flunked out twice |
| [07:57:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: how do you figure? |
| [07:58:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [07:58:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: I guess im on number 1 right now =P |
| [07:58:00] | twisted_one: | well it was actually a lack of money grades were decent =\ |
| [07:58:00] | xris: | SarahEmm: of course. I was just filling in for them. personally, I don't care. I married a geek girl who turned into a pastry chef. |
| [07:58:00] | twisted_one: | xris: hrmm I have a good friend doing that exact same thing... how odd =P |
| [07:58:00] | SarahEmm: | :) |
| [07:59:00] | ** SarahEmm is staying a geek grrl for now. ** | |
| [07:59:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: you went to purdue? |
| [07:59:00] | xris: | twisted_one: marring a geek girl, or turning into a chef? |
| [07:59:00] | twisted_one: | turning into a chef |
| [07:59:00] | twisted_one: | and marrying a geek girl actually |
| [07:59:00] | ** xris will turn into a vintner someday. ** | |
| [08:01:00] | twisted_one: | vinter? <--- yet again me showing my stupidity |
| [08:01:00] | xris: | twisted_one: wine maker. |
| [08:01:00] | xris: | but in my case: meadbrewer.com |
| [08:01:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: yup I did |
| [08:02:00] | twisted_one: | xris: ah, actually thats what I was thinking |
| [08:02:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: what was your major? |
| [08:02:00] | rjune: | CE the first time, CS the second |
| [08:02:00] | twisted_one: | ah |
| [08:03:00] | wolog: | http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/dvbt/ |
| [08:03:00] | wolog: | "A Low Cost Analog and Digital TV (DVB-T) Modulator" |
| [08:03:00] | twisted_one: | I was actually just there over the weekend, had to go and do some work there. |
| [08:03:00] | rjune: | I was in the Quad, talk about dinky rooms |
| [08:03:00] | Ray_: | Well I'm off... Have a good night folks |
| [08:03:00] | twisted_one: | I was doing some research while there and they needed my help |
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| [08:03:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: funny, the quad is now becoming the place to live, they are completely redoing the interior and they are fairly large now |
| [08:03:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: I was in Tark for 2 years |
| [08:04:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: really? we had an 8 x 14 room for two people |
| [08:04:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: they are combining two of those rooms and making it for 3 now IIRC |
| [08:04:00] | rjune: | some friends of ours had the badass rooms, 20x30 with bath |
| [08:04:00] | twisted_one: | yeah, thats what they are doing now |
| [08:04:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: how long ago were you there? |
| [08:04:00] | rjune: | 2 years |
| [08:04:00] | rjune: | well, quad for one year |
| [08:04:00] | rjune: | I lived off campus the other year |
| [08:04:00] | twisted_one: | long ago =P |
| [08:05:00] | rjune: | oh, how long ago... Uhm 96 |
| [08:05:00] | twisted_one: | oh |
| [08:05:00] | twisted_one: | nm then =P |
| [08:05:00] | rjune: | 8 years or so |
| [08:05:00] | twisted_one: | yeah, Im a youngin |
| [08:05:00] | rpete: | that's "youngling" |
| [08:05:00] | rjune: | I'm only 27 |
| [08:07:00] | twisted_one: | im 20 |
| [08:09:00] | Mdog: | exit |
| [08:09:00] | Mdog: | heh |
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| [08:11:00] | ** xris counts... 28 here. ** | |
| [08:11:00] | SarahEmm: | <-- 23 |
| [08:12:00] | twisted_one: | bah |
| [08:12:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: hush =P |
| [08:12:00] | SarahEmm: | hush? |
| [08:12:00] | SarahEmm: | mew? |
| [08:12:00] | twisted_one: | =\ |
| [08:12:00] | ** SarahEmm meows instead ** | |
| [08:12:00] | twisted_one: | Girl, unix, hardware... |
| [08:12:00] | twisted_one: | almost perfect =\ |
| [08:12:00] | twisted_one: | right age too |
| [08:13:00] | xris: | twisted_one: except for the "isn't into guys" part... |
| [08:13:00] | twisted_one: | exactly |
| [08:13:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [08:13:00] | twisted_one: | oh well |
| [08:13:00] | xris: | "not single" is probably an issue, too. heh. |
| [08:13:00] | twisted_one: | I think im going to die single, its my fate |
| [08:13:00] | SarahEmm: | xris: not really. |
| [08:13:00] | twisted_one: | xris: that can always be worked around =P |
| [08:13:00] | SarahEmm: | <-- poly grrl |
| [08:13:00] | twisted_one: | heh |
| [08:14:00] | xris: | SarahEmm: you're giving him too much hope. ;) |
| [08:14:00] | xris: | twisted_one: you're too young to worry about such things. |
| [08:14:00] | twisted_one: | meh, Id actually prefer an exclusive relationship |
| [08:14:00] | ** SarahEmm nods ** | |
| [08:14:00] | twisted_one: | xris: meh, im 30 emotionally |
| [08:14:00] | twisted_one: | xris: sick of youngins and their stupidity |
| [08:14:00] | xris: | twisted_one: I was pretty much like that at your age. |
| [08:15:00] | xris: | met my wife at 23, we were (are) a perfect match. |
| [08:15:00] | twisted_one: | xris: thats good to hear |
| [08:15:00] | twisted_one: | =) |
| [08:15:00] | rpete: | well, I recommend church |
| [08:15:00] | twisted_one: | wtf |
| [08:15:00] | twisted_one: | no |
| [08:15:00] | ** xris did yahoo, but wouldn't recommend it anymore. ** | |
| [08:15:00] | twisted_one: | sorry, but church and I usually result in arson charges =P |
| [08:15:00] | xris: | church only works if you're into that kind of thing. |
| [08:15:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: take a nursing class |
| [08:16:00] | rpete: | alright then, AA meeetings |
| [08:16:00] | rjune: | when I was @ purdue, I met my g/f in German. |
| [08:16:00] | rpete: | sheesh, where would you rather meet your mate |
| [08:16:00] | twisted_one: | german, bah, I want to learn so badly |
| [08:16:00] | rjune: | Chem had some nice girls too |
| [08:16:00] | xris: | both my wife and I are PK's (preacher's kids), but neither of us is into the religion thing (unless you consider my MA in south asian religious anthro)... church definitely wouldn't have worked well. |
| [08:16:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: omfg, organic chem is full of them!!! |
| [08:17:00] | Cardoe: | I met mine in Air Force ROTC. |
| [08:17:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: yeah, haven't you heard the nickname orgasmic chem? |
| [08:17:00] | rjune: | Cardoe: @ purdue? |
| [08:17:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: yes, of course I have |
| [08:17:00] | Cardoe: | University of Florida |
| [08:17:00] | ** rpete sticks to church recommendation, you can always teach them new tricks ** | |
| [08:17:00] | rjune: | phew, I was scared for a moment |
| [08:17:00] | twisted_one: | rpete: I seriously cannot stand churchies, well not the average ones anyways |
| [08:17:00] | rpete: | fine, unitarian |
| [08:17:00] | rjune: | my wife's then husband introduced us. |
| [08:18:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: I have a big issue with purdue women being that many of them are stupid and conservative and thats definatly not me. |
| [08:18:00] | xris: | rpete: I have a friend who's gone through 3–4 women met through church.. they all keep giving him the "not interested in dating anyone" thing (which is mostly true, except for the one who eloped a couple of weeks later) |
| [08:18:00] | twisted_one: | rpete: heh, unitarians are definatly tolerable =) |
| [08:18:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: Uhm, purdue is an engineering school. |
| [08:18:00] | rjune: | many of hte women there are looking for MRS degrees |
| [08:18:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: and Im an engineering student |
| [08:18:00] | twisted_one: | meh not that many |
| [08:18:00] | rpete: | well, whatever, I met my wife in high school physics class so I'm not really qualified to give any sort of advice |
| [08:19:00] | Cardoe: | we have evil Baptists. |
| [08:19:00] | twisted_one: | most of them are not engineering majors |
| [08:19:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: yeah, meaning you need a liberal arts class |
| [08:19:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: ah, yes |
| [08:19:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: there still ist the whole stupid factor |
| [08:19:00] | ** xris had accordian-playing baptists in college. ** | |
| [08:19:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: I went there remember, I know how this works |
| [08:19:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: lol, yes |
| [08:19:00] | xris: | standing on the street corner telling us we'd all go to hell. |
| [08:19:00] | Cardoe: | Engineering sucks for dating. |
| [08:19:00] | Cardoe: | seriously. |
| [08:19:00] | xris: | (no "if" — just that we were) |
| [08:19:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: yep |
| [08:19:00] | Cardoe: | I had more girls in ROTC then in my classes. |
| [08:20:00] | Cardoe: | but my gf was the hot one that all the guys wished wasn't the Baptist prude. |
| [08:20:00] | twisted_one: | xris: heh, we have people coming out with posters of piles of meat preaching about how bad abortion is |
| [08:20:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: serious, take the mid-level classes, that'll weed out all the stupid ones |
| [08:20:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: meh, not that sort of stupid, Im a fairly liberal and they are usually extremely conservative and bleh, cant stand it. |
| [08:20:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: which is the girls dorm that's really old? |
| [08:20:00] | ** xris would rather have posters of meat preaching about how bad meat is... ** | |
| [08:21:00] | Cardoe: | they have girls only dorms still? |
| [08:21:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: Hrmm the three of halls together, cant remember |
| [08:21:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: dunno where you met your girls. |
| [08:21:00] | twisted_one: | xris: lol |
| [08:21:00] | twisted_one: | brb |
| [08:21:00] | rjune: | Cardoe: purdue is still segregated. even the mixed dorms have two wings |
| [08:21:00] | rjune: | xris: meat is great |
| [08:21:00] | Cardoe: | We had 1 girls dorm that was just this past year changed. |
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| [08:21:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: they do by floor now in merideth |
| [08:21:00] | Cardoe: | we called it the Virgin Vault. |
| [08:21:00] | rjune: | do they? that's cool |
| [08:21:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [08:21:00] | Cardoe: | We do it by floor |
| [08:22:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: that what they call the one at purdue! |
| [08:22:00] | Cardoe: | except in the apt style ones. |
| [08:22:00] | Cardoe: | When I was a RA |
| [08:22:00] | Cardoe: | I had like 50 girls |
| [08:22:00] | Cardoe: | and like 12 guys. |
| [08:22:00] | rjune: | Cardoe: so you're bi too eh? |
| [08:22:00] | Cardoe: | no. |
| [08:22:00] | rjune: | and abuse power it seems. |
| [08:22:00] | rjune: | :-D |
| [08:22:00] | Cardoe: | my "children" |
| [08:22:00] | rjune: | and incestous? you perv |
| [08:23:00] | Cardoe: | I was in the one right across the street from sorority row. |
| [08:23:00] | Cardoe: | So I had all the gorgeous sorority girls. |
| [08:23:00] | Lews: | Sort of a random question, but does anybody here know a good way to hook up 20–30 speakers to the same audio input, coming from a PC? |
| [08:23:00] | twisted_one: | bleh, im sitting at LAN party chatting on IRC... lol |
| [08:24:00] | xris: | rjune: not for me. would make me horribly sicl |
| [08:24:00] | xris: | sick, even |
| [08:24:00] | twisted_one: | Lews: amp would most likely be needed |
| [08:24:00] | rjune: | xris: ? |
| [08:24:00] | Lews: | twisted_one: Really? You can't just duplicate the signal somehow? |
| [08:24:00] | twisted_one: | Lews: get a decent receiever and then just splice out of it? |
| [08:24:00] | Lews: | twisted_one: (I'm completely new to audio stuff) |
| [08:24:00] | twisted_one: | Lews: I dont know, just guessing |
| [08:24:00] | twisted_one: | Lews: im about 3% ahead of you =P |
| [08:25:00] | Lews: | twisted_one: lol |
| [08:25:00] | xris: | rjune: long-term vegetarians lack enzymes for digesting animal proteins. |
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| [08:25:00] | rjune: | xris: you poor man |
| [08:25:00] | rayv3n: | ehlo! |
| [08:25:00] | Lews: | twisted_one: I'm trying to get speakers throughout a building to all play the same music, which comes from a computer |
| [08:25:00] | Cardoe: | omfg |
| [08:25:00] | Cardoe: | Ford is retarded. |
| [08:25:00] | twisted_one: | Lews: most likely want to just get an amp then |
| [08:25:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: yes, they are |
| [08:25:00] | Lews: | twisted_one: k |
| [08:25:00] | xris: | so other than the fact that I think meat smells/tastes/feels nasty, it'd make me really sick (I know, I've accidentally eaten meat before). |
| [08:25:00] | rjune: | xris: we had a nice roast today. great stuff |
| [08:25:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: only to be topped by GMC |
| [08:26:00] | Cardoe: | They just took my car payment out of the wrong bank account. |
| [08:26:00] | rjune: | xris: bacon for breakfast too. delicious |
| [08:26:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: you own a ford =\ |
| [08:26:00] | rayv3n: | Hello all sorry for barging in but I need help on a mythtv+lirc question? |
| [08:26:00] | xris: | rjune: see, that just doesn't sound appetizing to me. |
| [08:26:00] | twisted_one: | rayv3n: wtf do you think this is a myth chan? =p |
| [08:26:00] | Lews: | twisted_one: er, where would I get something like that? Is there a newegg for audio stuff? |
| [08:26:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: I even worked for them too! |
| [08:27:00] | twisted_one: | Lews: hrmm I would think you might want to look at car audio stuffs, not sure though |
| [08:27:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: bah, im sorry |
| [08:27:00] | rjune: | xris: to each his own. you decide you didn't like it before or after it was food? |
| [08:27:00] | rayv3n: | hi twisted_one yeah :) |
| [08:27:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
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| [08:27:00] | twisted_one: | rayv3n: sorry, dont use lirc otherwise I would be glad to help |
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| [08:28:00] | rayv3n: | Thanks twisted_one |
| [08:28:00] | xris: | rjune: mainly for the crap that they put into the animals that become meat. |
| [08:28:00] | twisted_one: | xris: im with you there |
| [08:28:00] | rayv3n: | Has anyone experienced the joys of lirc with mythtv or no good docs to look at ? |
| [08:28:00] | twisted_one: | rayv3n: im sure they are out there, its a very common setup |
| [08:28:00] | xris: | twisted_one: but the cute vegan I dated my freshman year in college didn't hurt, either. |
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| [08:28:00] | twisted_one: | hrmm |
| [08:29:00] | twisted_one: | vegan girls tend to be hot as well |
| [08:29:00] | twisted_one: | rayv3n: there is a decent one on the gentoo wiki, its just part of the mythsetup guide |
| [08:29:00] | rayv3n: | I've been working on this for days, I have a mythtv box up at home and it works perfectly. But I come out to visit a friend and tell him how wonder mythtv and this is what I get :/ |
| [08:29:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: Uhm, no |
| [08:29:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: ? |
| [08:29:00] | rjune: | vegan girls aren't any hotter then non vegans |
| [08:30:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: meh, its usually the dress / lack of makeup |
| [08:30:00] | rayv3n: | Thanks twiested_one I'll check it out |
| [08:30:00] | twisted_one: | I dont like makeup at all |
| [08:30:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: fair enough. |
| [08:30:00] | twisted_one: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV |
| [08:30:00] | xris: | rjune: but it's a scientific fact that they, um, taste better... (or so I've heard) |
| [08:30:00] | twisted_one: | rayv3n: theres the link |
| [08:30:00] | rayv3n: | thanks! |
| [08:30:00] | twisted_one: | xris: vegan girls? |
| [08:30:00] | SarahEmm: | xris: that's not just true for women... |
| [08:31:00] | SarahEmm: | (or so i've heard) |
| [08:31:00] | rjune: | xris: LOL |
| [08:31:00] | xris: | twisted_one: yes. |
| [08:31:00] | xris: | well, vegetarian/vegan. |
| [08:31:00] | rjune: | SarahEmm: which isn't true for women? |
| [08:31:00] | xris: | and pineapple-eaters (don't know why on that one) |
| [08:31:00] | twisted_one: | xris: I wouldnt know =\ |
| [08:31:00] | xris: | twisted_one: applies to men and women. |
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| [08:31:00] | rjune: | twisted_one: you know what kind of woman is the hottest? |
| [08:31:00] | twisted_one: | although... the girl Im kinda dating now is a vegetarian |
| [08:31:00] | xris: | rjune: my wife, of course. |
| [08:31:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: what kind? |
| [08:32:00] | rpete: | rjune, Salma Hayak |
| [08:32:00] | rpete: | or her sister |
| [08:32:00] | rjune: | the kind that'll fuck you silly, then wake you up in the morning and do it some more. |
| [08:32:00] | twisted_one: | meh |
| [08:32:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: meh, im actually more interested in a serious relationship than just the sex |
| [08:32:00] | rjune: | xris: I dunno, got pics of your wife? |
| [08:32:00] | xris: | rjune: I have a friend with a friend like that. he quickly tires of her stupidity. |
| [08:32:00] | xris: | rjune: that's a canned response.... |
| [08:33:00] | twisted_one: | rpete: meh, I prefer some others like Jewel Staites (i think thats how its spelled) |
| [08:33:00] | rjune: | xris, twisted_one : the smart ones'll do it to you so bad you can't walk. |
| [08:33:00] | rjune: | xris: I know. I'm married too. |
| [08:33:00] | rpete: | okay, fine, blonde is the hottest |
| [08:33:00] | Cardoe: | dumb girls... helping diversify the gene pool..... |
| [08:33:00] | rjune: | and my wife is like I just discribed. |
| [08:33:00] | xris: | rjune: the smart ones wouldn't date my friend — he's over 60, and unattractive (but with lots of $$) |
| [08:34:00] | xris: | rpete: not big on blondes (blonde + blonde is a little much)... though my wife is probably close enough to blonde for me to shut up. |
| [08:34:00] | rjune: | xris: uhm.... depends on what they're looking for |
| [08:34:00] | rjune: | is he smart too? |
| [08:34:00] | rjune: | redheads Mmmmm |
| [08:34:00] | twisted_one: | Meh, Im kidna stuck on a girl right now so I sabotage any relationship I get into anyways =\ |
| [08:34:00] | twisted_one: | rjune: redheads, definatly |
| [08:35:00] | xris: | rjune: he's an arrogant, chauvinis, actually. |
| [08:35:00] | xris: | chauvinist |
| [08:35:00] | ** rpete was just agreeing with twisted_one, redheads definitely ** | |
| [08:35:00] | twisted_one: | xris: do you know the meaning of the term chauvinist? |
| [08:35:00] | xris: | redhead, or latin.... |
| [08:35:00] | rpete: | they're all good |
| [08:35:00] | kormoc: | redheads rock |
| [08:35:00] | kormoc: | tho slightly crazy |
| [08:35:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [08:36:00] | twisted_one: | I prefer the pale skinned irish ones |
| [08:36:00] | kormoc: | for large values of slightly |
| [08:36:00] | twisted_one: | irish accent = hawt |
| [08:36:00] | xris: | twisted_one: looking on wikipedia, it sounds about right. |
| [08:36:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: definatly |
| [08:36:00] | xris: | poor kormoc with his crazy redhead roommate |
| [08:36:00] | twisted_one: | xris: try dictionary.com |
| [08:36:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [08:36:00] | kormoc: | yeah... |
| [08:36:00] | twisted_one: | oh yes, we've had that discussion |
| [08:36:00] | twisted_one: | i forgot about that. |
| [08:36:00] | xris: | twisted_one: #2 |
| [08:37:00] | twisted_one: | xris: meh, ok |
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| [08:37:00] | kormoc: | xris, tho brunettes are just as nutty at times... |
| [08:37:00] | ** kormoc has declaired all women crazy. ** | |
| [08:37:00] | twisted_one: | ok, no more talk of girls, im at a week long sausage fest |
| [08:37:00] | xris: | kormoc: most women are... (and men to them) |
| [08:38:00] | mchou: | twisted_one: haha!! |
| [08:38:00] | Cardoe: | you know what the problem is with arguing with a woman is. |
| [08:38:00] | Cardoe: | Men have the need to make sense. |
| [08:38:00] | kormoc: | All I want is a nice sane geek gal, is that too much to ask? :P |
| [08:38:00] | SarahEmm: | kormoc: i'm tempted to agree. |
| [08:38:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: dont forget straight geek gal =P |
| [08:38:00] | SarahEmm: | lol |
| [08:38:00] | twisted_one: | =) |
| [08:39:00] | xris: | kormoc: yeah, add a few more qualifications.. like < 30 (or < 25 for you)... |
| [08:39:00] | Cardoe: | I have enough stupid jokes to over flood here. |
| [08:39:00] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [08:41:00] | xris: | ok, I'm going to sleep... ttyl |
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| [08:41:00] | ** SarahEmm meows ** | |
| [08:41:00] | kormoc: | stright geek gal, less then 25ish, more then 20ish, cute n smart, too much to ask? it seem so... |
| [08:42:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: definatly |
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| [08:42:00] | twisted_one: | I miss my ex, too bad im stupid |
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| [08:44:00] | SarahEmm: | kormoc: what about bi geek gals? |
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| [08:44:00] | kormoc: | SarahEmm, as long as they are into just myself at the time, I'd be fine with it |
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| [08:45:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: exactly, Im more interested in finding someone to live with rather than a play toy |
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| [08:45:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, I'm looking for the same |
| [08:46:00] | kormoc: | but a person's sexuality doesn't bug me as long as they don't cheat on me and I don't cheat on them |
| [08:46:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: I feel that Im the only one around who is |
| [08:46:00] | kormoc: | nah, there's more then just you |
| [08:46:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: how old are you? |
| [08:46:00] | kormoc: | 23 |
| [08:46:00] | twisted_one: | ah |
| [08:46:00] | twisted_one: | yeah Im 20 |
| [08:46:00] | twisted_one: | I dont see too many of my peers who are |
| [08:46:00] | kormoc: | Date free for 23 years! |
| [08:46:00] | twisted_one: | then again I pretty mcuh cant stand my peers |
| [08:47:00] | kormoc: | and not cause I'm not tring |
| [08:47:00] | twisted_one: | oh, here is one that kills many potential girls |
| [08:47:00] | twisted_one: | they have to respect themselves... aka no drugs (including alcohol) |
| [08:47:00] | kormoc: | ahh, I'm fine with a little alcohol here and there and a random cigar or something |
| [08:47:00] | SarahEmm: | <-- no drugs or alcohol :P |
| [08:47:00] | kormoc: | cause I enjoy them myself. |
| [08:48:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: seriously, stop, you're making me sad. |
| [08:48:00] | kormoc: | every once in awhile, it's nice to kick back with a nice cigar and let it go |
| [08:48:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: meh, if its truly occasional its ok, but not to the point of losing ones sobriety |
| [08:48:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: heh, sowwy. i'm also poly and autistic which are probably negatives in your book |
| [08:48:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, I get tispy maybe every 2 months or so, nothing major at all. |
| [08:48:00] | Cardoe: | Alcohol... getting people laid for over a century. |
| [08:48:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: autistic... damn, such an intriging attribute |
| [08:49:00] | kormoc: | autistic? meh, that's not a negative |
| [08:49:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: that would be acceptable |
| [08:49:00] | twisted_one: | definatly not a negative |
| [08:49:00] | kormoc: | poly on the other hand, I can't really do, it's just not right for myself. |
| [08:49:00] | SarahEmm: | depends who you ask |
| [08:49:00] | SarahEmm: | i suppose |
| [08:49:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: why poly? |
| [08:49:00] | twisted_one: | if you dont mind me asking |
| [08:49:00] | SarahEmm: | err, why am i poly you mean? |
| [08:49:00] | SarahEmm: | (intriguing attribute? huh?) |
| [08:50:00] | twisted_one: | yes |
| [08:51:00] | twisted_one: | not quite, just wondering what makes one want to be with many |
| [08:51:00] | twisted_one: | curious perhaps, but not intriguing (spelling?) |
| [08:51:00] | SarahEmm: | err... it's just how i am, really. if i'm in a relationship and end up falling in love with someone else... i don't feel that hiding that or ignoring it is right for me, i suppose. |
| [08:51:00] | kormoc: | Well, honestly |
| [08:51:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: okay... i dunno. |
| [08:51:00] | kormoc: | I can understand the pysical want to be polly |
| [08:51:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: i don't see it like that i suppose |
| [08:51:00] | SarahEmm: | physical want? |
| [08:52:00] | kormoc: | but like, I just can't be emotionally attached to more then one person |
| [08:52:00] | kormoc: | sure, I like the female body a lot, two would be twice the pysical fun |
| [08:52:00] | kormoc: | but sex is also emotional to myself |
| [08:52:00] | kormoc: | and I only feel right emotionally attached to one person |
| [08:52:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: I guess if I had feelings for another I would question weather or not my current relationship was the right one then, but not enter into two simultaneously |
| [08:53:00] | SarahEmm: | okay... i feel differently *shrug* to each their own :) |
| [08:53:00] | gnarface: | yea. |
| [08:53:00] | gnarface: | me for example |
| [08:53:00] | gnarface: | i'm marrying my nintendo |
| [08:53:00] | ** gnarface high-5 SarahEmm ** | |
| [08:53:00] | kormoc: | gnarface, remember to practice safe sex, don't want to short it out! |
| [08:53:00] | gnarface: | hahaha |
| [08:54:00] | gnarface: | it would be like in cherry-2000 |
| [08:54:00] | Cardoe: | Imagine getting found like that. |
| [08:54:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [08:54:00] | gnarface: | i'd have to take up a bounty hunting again |
| [08:54:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: with your nintendo? |
| [08:54:00] | twisted_one: | yes |
| [08:54:00] | twisted_one: | Id be with my SNES though |
| [08:54:00] | gnarface: | now there was a sexy console |
| [08:54:00] | twisted_one: | and it had the best game evar! |
| [08:55:00] | gnarface: | secret of mana? |
| [08:55:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: i'm still curious.. how is it intriguing? |
| [08:55:00] | ** SarahEmm doesn't understand this isuppose ** | |
| [08:55:00] | twisted_one: | autism? |
| [08:55:00] | SarahEmm: | nod |
| [08:56:00] | twisted_one: | hrmm |
| [08:56:00] | twisted_one: | I dont know a whole lot about it |
| [08:56:00] | twisted_one: | but well |
| [08:56:00] | twisted_one: | from waht I do know the way the autistic mind works is on a different level |
| [08:57:00] | ** Cardoe ponders buying a cuecat to help catalog his DVDs. ** | |
| [08:57:00] | twisted_one: | or perhaps in a slightly differnt manner |
| [08:57:00] | twisted_one: | I guess its partially a hollywood influenced understanding |
| [08:57:00] | SarahEmm: | i'd say a different manner... |
| [08:57:00] | SarahEmm: | heh... |
| [08:58:00] | twisted_one: | but still |
| [08:58:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm not sure what hollywood influences are really... |
| [08:58:00] | SarahEmm: | *shruG* |
| [08:58:00] | SarahEmm: | i dunno, being inside it i guess i fail to see the intrigue :) |
| [08:58:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: never seen a movie? |
| [08:58:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: of course you would, its the everyday for you. |
| [08:58:00] | SarahEmm: | lol |
| [08:58:00] | SarahEmm: | yes, i've seen movies |
| [08:58:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: yep. |
| [08:58:00] | gnarface: | now imagine seeing a lot more of them |
| [08:58:00] | kormoc: | SarahEmm, I look at it this way, you're smart, carasmatic, witty, etc, even with a little bit (or more) of hardship, and that makes you more intresting cause you overcame some tough problems. |
| [08:58:00] | gnarface: | like, *alot* |
| [08:58:00] | gnarface: | that's what its like |
| [08:59:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: thats a very good way of putting it |
| [08:59:00] | twisted_one: | gnarface: exactly! |
| [08:59:00] | twisted_one: | =p |
| [09:00:00] | SarahEmm: | ahh.. :) |
| [09:00:00] | twisted_one: | Im addicted to movies |
| [09:00:00] | SarahEmm: | overcame? heh |
| [09:00:00] | twisted_one: | speaking of which, time to download |
| [09:00:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: learned to manage with =P |
| [09:00:00] | gnarface: | anime anime anime |
| [09:00:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah.. |
| [09:01:00] | twisted_one: | gnarface: lol, thats what I was speaking of |
| [09:01:00] | twisted_one: | gnarface: have you seen Miyazaki's new film, Howls Moving Castle? |
| [09:01:00] | SarahEmm: | most people don't seem to see it like that i suppose. |
| [09:02:00] | SarahEmm: | it's different irl too i guess. |
| [09:02:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: you like anime too? |
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| [09:03:00] | ** SarahEmm nodsnods ** | |
| [09:04:00] | twisted_one: | bAH! |
| [09:04:00] | twisted_one: | damn =\ |
| [09:04:00] | SarahEmm: | mew? |
| [09:04:00] | SarahEmm: | oh. |
| [09:04:00] | SarahEmm: | mew... |
| [09:04:00] | SarahEmm: | sorry :P |
| [09:04:00] | SarahEmm: | should i start answering the opposite of what i mean? |
| [09:04:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: you're a very nice girl =) |
| [09:04:00] | SarahEmm: | ;P |
| [09:04:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [09:04:00] | SarahEmm: | thankyou :) |
| [09:04:00] | twisted_one: | nah, honesty is more important than making me feel better =P |
| [09:05:00] | gnarface: | twisted_one: havn't seen it yet. i hear its yet another masterpiece |
| [09:06:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: heh, okay. |
| [09:06:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm... sorry i'm what a lot of geeks seem to like? |
| [09:06:00] | twisted_one: | gnarface: definatly is |
| [09:06:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: sure are =) |
| [09:07:00] | gnarface: | SarahEmm: i havn't been reading much of this, but he's probably right. |
| [09:08:00] | SarahEmm: | err, what? |
| [09:08:00] | SarahEmm: | right about what? |
| [09:08:00] | twisted_one: | about you being what geeks desire |
| [09:08:00] | gnarface: | yea. |
| [09:08:00] | SarahEmm: | oh. |
| [09:08:00] | SarahEmm: | mew.. |
| [09:08:00] | SarahEmm: | heh |
| [09:08:00] | SarahEmm: | not :P |
| [09:08:00] | gnarface: | please. you can't honestly be that suprised. how many chicks do you know who'd be here in IRC at this time of night? |
| [09:09:00] | gnarface: | you've gotta be a rare character. |
| [09:09:00] | gnarface: | rarity adds value. |
| [09:09:00] | gnarface: | duh. :P |
| [09:09:00] | twisted_one: | heh |
| [09:09:00] | twisted_one: | tr00 |
| [09:09:00] | SarahEmm: | heh |
| [09:09:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm going onto night shifts |
| [09:09:00] | SarahEmm: | hence me being up at this time of night :) |
| [09:10:00] | SarahEmm: | and i was coding, so i'm hanging around IRC :) |
| [09:10:00] | twisted_one: | I fail to see the logic =P |
| [09:12:00] | SarahEmm: | in what? |
| [09:12:00] | Cardoe: | so apparently it's hit on SarahEmm day |
| [09:13:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: I was joking |
| [09:13:00] | twisted_one: | I guess I suck at making that obvious |
| [09:13:00] | SarahEmm: | oh, okay. heh. |
| [09:13:00] | SarahEmm: | Cardoe: lol/ |
| [09:13:00] | twisted_one: | I wouldnt quite think Im hitting on her |
| [09:13:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [09:13:00] | ** SarahEmm would agree ** | |
| [09:13:00] | twisted_one: | and heck, not like the outcome would be succesful anyways =P |
| [09:14:00] | twisted_one: | I mean, shes not straight and I suck at girls =P |
| [09:15:00] | SarahEmm: | heh. mew. |
| [09:15:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: why not generalize and say you suck at life in general? |
| [09:16:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: you just love to kick em while they are down, eh? |
| [09:16:00] | Cardoe: | it is easier is it not? |
| [09:16:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: because I actually dont suck at life, thats why =p |
| [09:16:00] | Cardoe: | sure ya do |
| [09:16:00] | Cardoe: | since females are the source of life. |
| [09:16:00] | twisted_one: | I actually think Im pretty far ahead of the pack (at least in my age range) |
| [09:17:00] | Cardoe: | nope. |
| [09:17:00] | Cardoe: | failure. |
| [09:17:00] | Cardoe: | go in your corner and cry |
| [09:17:00] | gnarface: | hahaha |
| [09:17:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: life-wise? |
| [09:17:00] | ** twisted_one scampers off ** | |
| [09:17:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [09:17:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: yes |
| [09:17:00] | SarahEmm: | ahh. yay! |
| [09:17:00] | SarahEmm: | :o) |
| [09:18:00] | twisted_one: | indeed |
| [09:18:00] | twisted_one: | I know Im a great guy and any girl would be lucky to have me |
| [09:18:00] | twisted_one: | but alas they just dont see it that way =P |
| [09:18:00] | SarahEmm: | heh... |
| [09:18:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: Always the problem. |
| [09:18:00] | gnarface: | twisted_one: my gamecube tells me that too. |
| [09:18:00] | Cardoe: | like my ex-girlfriend doesn't deserve me. |
| [09:18:00] | Cardoe: | yet she doesn't know it. |
| [09:19:00] | twisted_one: | hrmm, I kinda want a gamecube |
| [09:19:00] | gnarface: | they're cheap |
| [09:19:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: meh, I miss my ex |
| [09:19:00] | Cardoe: | she's too shallow right now and if you're a gym guy.. |
| [09:19:00] | gnarface: | go get one right now |
| [09:19:00] | twisted_one: | gnarface: I should |
| [09:19:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: join that club. |
| [09:19:00] | twisted_one: | gnarface: I just want to play like one game though |
| [09:19:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: It's called I-miss-my-ex-but-hang-out-in-mythtv-users. |
| [09:19:00] | Cardoe: | or more like. |
| [09:19:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: meh, I could have her back if I wanted to, but I know I will just fuck it up again, so its rough. |
| [09:19:00] | Cardoe: | I miss my ex so I just screw with Gentoo. |
| [09:19:00] | Cardoe: | Even though I hate computers now. |
| [09:19:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: exactly |
| [09:19:00] | twisted_one: | ! |
| [09:19:00] | twisted_one: | lol, whys that? |
| [09:20:00] | ** Cardoe shrugs. ** | |
| [09:20:00] | twisted_one: | heh |
| [09:20:00] | Cardoe: | I just dislike my degree. |
| [09:20:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, just don't do what I do |
| [09:20:00] | twisted_one: | bah, that sucks |
| [09:20:00] | Cardoe: | I enjoy my stupid college job |
| [09:20:00] | kormoc: | *did/still do |
| [09:20:00] | Cardoe: | more then I enjoy my work |
| [09:20:00] | Cardoe: | that pays the bills. |
| [09:20:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: whatst aht? |
| [09:20:00] | gnarface: | 10 repress |
| [09:20:00] | gnarface: | 20 deny |
| [09:20:00] | gnarface: | 30 goto 10 |
| [09:20:00] | gnarface: | ? |
| [09:20:00] | kormoc: | Fall for a girl who can't make up her mind and leads you on for 3.5 fucking years |
| [09:20:00] | gnarface: | is that how it goes? |
| [09:20:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: funny you say that |
| [09:20:00] | Cardoe: | I do contract Gentoo work for several hundred dollars for a few hours of work. |
| [09:20:00] | kormoc: | just cause you beleive she's something special, more special then anyone else. |
| [09:21:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: im 20 and going on 6 years |
| [09:21:00] | twisted_one: | withher |
| [09:21:00] | twisted_one: | her* |
| [09:21:00] | fryfrog: | maybe it would make you all feel better to see me and my gf's new toy? :) |
| [09:21:00] | Cardoe: | And I'd rather just work at my management job at the freaking grocery store. |
| [09:21:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, I moved 3000 miles for her :P |
| [09:21:00] | fryfrog: | http://fryfrog.com/gallery/99Miata |
| [09:21:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: I'd do it in an instant |
| [09:21:00] | twisted_one: | its sad |
| [09:21:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, I did it, worst mistake ever. |
| [09:21:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: did you kick her in the head? |
| [09:21:00] | gnarface: | fryfrog: that didn't even help me a little bit. |
| [09:22:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, of course not, she's too damn wonderful. |
| [09:22:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: I drove 900 to spend the weekon the concrete floor while she chatted online with another guy |
| [09:22:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [09:22:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: yet her and I went out tonight and had a great time |
| [09:22:00] | Cardoe: | yeah... that's where you drop kick them. |
| [09:22:00] | Cardoe: | Seriously |
| [09:22:00] | kormoc: | I flew 3000 files, took two ferries and a 5 hour drive |
| [09:22:00] | Cardoe: | you gotta stop being the do-bitch. |
| [09:22:00] | kormoc: | and spent a week with ehr and we said 10 words the entire time |
| [09:22:00] | Cardoe: | make them appreciate. |
| [09:22:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: honestly, I owuld in an instant |
| [09:23:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: funny same thing here =P |
| [09:23:00] | kormoc: | flew back home, and she's played me the entire time. |
| [09:23:00] | Cardoe: | That's the problem with being the good guy. |
| [09:23:00] | kormoc: | indeed |
| [09:23:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: exactly |
| [09:23:00] | kormoc: | it's no wonder guys turn into jerks |
| [09:23:00] | twisted_one: | I refuse to give up |
| [09:23:00] | kormoc: | I claimed that once |
| [09:23:00] | twisted_one: | I dont know... |
| [09:23:00] | kormoc: | claimed it many a time |
| [09:23:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: you gave up? |
| [09:23:00] | twisted_one: | I cant give up, I kinda want to |
| [09:23:00] | kormoc: | it just will beat you down. |
| [09:23:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: going on six years, I know all about that |
| [09:23:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: you're 20... |
| [09:24:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, I'm getting a bunch of her friends together to go visit her, it's a 9 hour trip |
| [09:24:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, she told me she didn't want me to go alone with them after I arranged everything. |
| [09:24:00] | twisted_one: | hence my inability to get back with my ex, I know I'll just leave her again for this girl I cant get over who treats me like shit and then seduces me to break my heart again |
| [09:24:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: exactly |
| [09:24:00] | kormoc: | I'd say that's as close to a, 'it's time to give the fuck up' as anything will be |
| [09:24:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: its sad, I have given soo mcuh of my life to her and yet I still get shat upon |
| [09:25:00] | Cardoe: | I still kinda think somewhere that she'll come around. |
| [09:25:00] | Cardoe: | Her sister and I still talk regularly. |
| [09:25:00] | Cardoe: | her parents still ask about me. |
| [09:25:00] | Cardoe: | She's going through some odd moments. |
| [09:25:00] | Cardoe: | but... |
| [09:25:00] | Cardoe: | I'm not letting it hold me back. |
| [09:25:00] | twisted_one: | they always are |
| [09:25:00] | Cardoe: | I'm seeing someone else. |
| [09:25:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: I have done that many a time |
| [09:25:00] | Cardoe: | And I'll gladly rm -rf Jamie if I get with this new one. |
| [09:25:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [09:26:00] | Cardoe: | See |
| [09:26:00] | Cardoe: | the thing is... |
| [09:26:00] | Cardoe: | every girl like this... |
| [09:26:00] | Cardoe: | has ALL come around |
| [09:26:00] | Cardoe: | but too late. |
| [09:26:00] | twisted_one: | Im considering moving to Seattle and literally leaving my entire life behind so I can get past her |
| [09:26:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, funny |
| [09:26:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, I moved *to* seattle for her :P |
| [09:26:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: won't happen |
| [09:26:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: sad is more like it |
| [09:26:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: lol, ah |
| [09:26:00] | Cardoe: | you need to be happy with yourself. |
| [09:26:00] | Cardoe: | seriously. |
| [09:26:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: I am |
| [09:26:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, I'm happy with myself too |
| [09:27:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: we go through periods of not speaking (3 -6 months at a time) and Im fine |
| [09:27:00] | kormoc: | but I need to get the fuck away from her to get over her and to be ready to move on. |
| [09:27:00] | twisted_one: | but I just cant ignore her |
| [09:27:00] | twisted_one: | so I need to drop all lines of communication |
| [09:27:00] | twisted_one: | and she still lives like 3 blocks from me |
| [09:27:00] | Cardoe: | tough. |
| [09:27:00] | Cardoe: | Stop being all talk and do it. |
| [09:28:00] | Cardoe: | That's what I'm doing. |
| [09:28:00] | twisted_one: | I remember walking over there in the middle of the night to crawl into bed with her... ah the good ol' days |
| [09:28:00] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [09:28:00] | Cardoe: | See... don't do that. |
| [09:28:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [09:28:00] | kormoc: | I never even got that far |
| [09:28:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: meh, it was completely innocent, we were... 15 |
| [09:28:00] | kormoc: | meh |
| [09:28:00] | kormoc: | doesn't matter |
| [09:28:00] | twisted_one: | true |
| [09:28:00] | kormoc: | I got to hug her once |
| [09:28:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: you've never shared the same bed? |
| [09:28:00] | kormoc: | nope |
| [09:28:00] | twisted_one: | eek |
| [09:28:00] | Cardoe: | never kissed her? |
| [09:28:00] | kormoc: | on the cheek once |
| [09:28:00] | kormoc: | she flipped out |
| [09:29:00] | kormoc: | she can't make up her mind |
| [09:29:00] | kormoc: | cycles hot and cold |
| [09:29:00] | twisted_one: | wow |
| [09:29:00] | kormoc: | so damn fast |
| [09:29:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html |
| [09:29:00] | Cardoe: | You're SUPER high up on the friend ladder. |
| [09:29:00] | gnarface: | kormoc: eject! eject! eject! |
| [09:29:00] | Cardoe: | gnarface: exactly. |
| [09:29:00] | ** SarahEmm mews ** | |
| [09:29:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, ? |
| [09:29:00] | Cardoe: | read it. |
| [09:29:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html |
| [09:29:00] | Cardoe: | read it. |
| [09:29:00] | kormoc: | gnarface, meh, she's worth it if it ever happened |
| [09:29:00] | Cardoe: | in fact.. all... |
| [09:30:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: it won't |
| [09:30:00] | Cardoe: | it would have already |
| [09:30:00] | Cardoe: | seriously. |
| [09:30:00] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [09:30:00] | gnarface: | kormoc: you're so fucking doomed. |
| [09:30:00] | Cardoe: | I'm not trying to be an ass. |
| [09:30:00] | kormoc: | I've been accepting that face more and more each day |
| [09:30:00] | Cardoe: | I'm just trying to help. |
| [09:30:00] | twisted_one: | gnarface: you should have your own radio show |
| [09:30:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [09:31:00] | Cardoe: | I just had the crazy ass Baptist. |
| [09:31:00] | Cardoe: | who would blind fold me. |
| [09:31:00] | gnarface: | haha. i'll take that as a compliment even if its not. |
| [09:31:00] | Cardoe: | and make me lay on my hands. |
| [09:31:00] | Cardoe: | and then strip naked. |
| [09:31:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: thats kinda hot |
| [09:31:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [09:31:00] | Cardoe: | and make out with me. |
| [09:31:00] | Cardoe: | yeah but I got nothing |
| [09:31:00] | twisted_one: | gnarface: definatly is |
| [09:31:00] | tuxristo: | i was just reading the backlog ... i always wondered what whould happen if a girl ever showed up in here, ... now i know -> everyone ends up incredibly depressed |
| [09:31:00] | Cardoe: | I had to stay dressed. |
| [09:31:00] | twisted_one: | tuxristo: lol, ha |
| [09:31:00] | Cardoe: | tuxristo: heh |
| [09:31:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: she was naked? |
| [09:31:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: yes |
| [09:31:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: quite odd |
| [09:31:00] | Cardoe: | and she'd grind herself off on my leg |
| [09:31:00] | Cardoe: | crazy Baptist |
| [09:31:00] | SarahEmm: | tuxristo: gah. i'm sorry :P |
| [09:31:00] | Cardoe: | like I said. |
| [09:31:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: yes |
| [09:32:00] | Cardoe: | Southern Baptist. |
| [09:32:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: one second... |
| [09:32:00] | ** SarahEmm didn't intend to get everyone depressed ** | |
| [09:32:00] | Cardoe: | her dad nearly killed me when he found out she moved in with me. |
| [09:32:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: lol |
| [09:32:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: im not depressed, I dont think the others are either |
| [09:32:00] | Cardoe: | http://gallery.cardoe.com/photos/diningout/DSC00966.JPG |
| [09:32:00] | twisted_one: | its healty to talk about it |
| [09:33:00] | twisted_one: | thats her? |
| [09:33:00] | gnarface: | hahah. |
| [09:33:00] | Cardoe: | yep |
| [09:33:00] | twisted_one: | and you? |
| [09:33:00] | Cardoe: | yep; |
| [09:33:00] | twisted_one: | nice |
| [09:33:00] | kormoc: | SarahEmm, i's not you, it's how fucked up all our lives are |
| [09:33:00] | twisted_one: | I'd show you mine, but the webserver is kinda not working tonight. |
| [09:33:00] | SarahEmm: | hey, mine too :P |
| [09:34:00] | twisted_one: | just go to the LAN and the admin is bed so cant get an port open for it =\ |
| [09:34:00] | Cardoe: | she's a cutie. |
| [09:34:00] | twisted_one: | she is |
| [09:34:00] | kormoc: | SarahEmm, I dare say you likly have things better figured out then at least I do |
| [09:34:00] | SarahEmm: | kormoc: if you say so.. |
| [09:35:00] | kormoc: | SarahEmm, your not a 23 year old who hasn't even had a girl date him yet... |
| [09:35:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: allow me to smack you |
| [09:35:00] | Cardoe: | so you forget about her. |
| [09:35:00] | kormoc: | feel free |
| [09:36:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: keep it above the belt =P |
| [09:36:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: you in college? |
| [09:36:00] | kormoc: | nope |
| [09:36:00] | SarahEmm: | kormoc: i don't really consider that the benchmark of someone's life... |
| [09:36:00] | Cardoe: | exactly |
| [09:36:00] | kormoc: | SarahEmm, the point is, I never even got a chance, and it's not for lack of tring. |
| [09:36:00] | Cardoe: | thinking that's the benchmark of your achievements is wrong. |
| [09:36:00] | SarahEmm: | i don't know that i've ever been on a 'date' either :P |
| [09:36:00] | kormoc: | It's not that |
| [09:36:00] | kormoc: | it's just like |
| [09:36:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: everyone thinks they're trying. |
| [09:36:00] | Cardoe: | but really |
| [09:36:00] | kormoc: | it's a missing hole in my life |
| [09:36:00] | Cardoe: | they're doing a shitty job of it. |
| [09:36:00] | kormoc: | one I want to fill |
| [09:37:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: Jamie is a missing hole in my life. |
| [09:37:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, I asked a girl out, she ran away crying |
| [09:37:00] | kormoc: | this girl's the only one who hasn't rejected me outright |
| [09:37:00] | kormoc: | hence why I keep tring, I dare say |
| [09:37:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: Well you can't start if off with "hey... does this rag smell like chlorophorm to you?" |
| [09:37:00] | kormoc: | nah, the girl who ran away |
| [09:37:00] | kormoc: | I was friends with her for bout 5 years |
| [09:37:00] | twisted_one: | Oh my |
| [09:37:00] | Cardoe: | and that's your problem |
| [09:37:00] | kormoc: | but destroyed it cause I asked her out on a date |
| [09:38:00] | twisted_one: | reading crazy article now |
| [09:38:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: read that site. |
| [09:38:00] | twisted_one: | and the main chars name is Jaime |
| [09:38:00] | Cardoe: | http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html |
| [09:38:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, I sorta did, but can you condence down to what you mean? |
| [09:38:00] | kormoc: | I don't have money, or looks |
| [09:38:00] | kormoc: | so like, I'm doom according to the site |
| [09:38:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: confidence |
| [09:38:00] | Cardoe: | You can't let somethings stop you. |
| [09:39:00] | KarlosII: | charisma |
| [09:39:00] | KarlosII: | :) |
| [09:39:00] | kormoc: | I still keep asking girls out |
| [09:39:00] | kormoc: | and I still get nos |
| [09:39:00] | KarlosII: | you can not have looks and have chraisma |
| [09:39:00] | Cardoe: | read the site. |
| [09:39:00] | Cardoe: | seriously. |
| [09:39:00] | Cardoe: | KarlosII: http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html |
| [09:39:00] | kormoc: | it just seems to say about how I have no chance... |
| [09:39:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: I need to read that still |
| [09:39:00] | Cardoe: | no. |
| [09:39:00] | Cardoe: | It describes tact. |
| [09:39:00] | twisted_one: | bah, see this is what i hate about society, yet its hilaroius |
| [09:39:00] | twisted_one: | http://tuckermax.com/tuckertriesbuttsex.html |
| [09:39:00] | kormoc: | no problem with tact |
| [09:39:00] | Cardoe: | haha tucker max. |
| [09:40:00] | kormoc: | I ask at the best time to do so |
| [09:40:00] | Cardoe: | that stupid bastard. |
| [09:40:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [09:40:00] | kormoc: | it's not that |
| [09:40:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: or so you think. |
| [09:40:00] | kormoc: | it's just they arn't intrested in me like that. |
| [09:40:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: exactly. |
| [09:40:00] | Cardoe: | the point is asking the ones that are. |
| [09:40:00] | Cardoe: | ;) |
| [09:40:00] | gnarface: | kormoc: just be mean to them. chicks love that. |
| [09:40:00] | kormoc: | ahh, who are they, the ones that are, that is |
| [09:40:00] | kormoc: | other then my crazy redhead roommate? |
| [09:40:00] | Cardoe: | Oh.. disinterest is an awesome one. |
| [09:40:00] | Cardoe: | disinterest drives the attention whores crazy. |
| [09:40:00] | kormoc: | gnarface, I'm sorry, I'm too nice to do that. |
| [09:40:00] | kormoc: | I don't like attention whores |
| [09:41:00] | Cardoe: | just saying |
| [09:41:00] | kormoc: | I want a nice simple life with a nice simple girl |
| [09:41:00] | Cardoe: | ok. |
| [09:41:00] | gnarface: | kormoc: move to north dakota |
| [09:41:00] | Cardoe: | well guess what. |
| [09:41:00] | SarahEmm: | lol |
| [09:41:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, what? |
| [09:41:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: your pool of females hasn't reached the girls that want the same. |
| [09:41:00] | kormoc: | ahh, but it has |
| [09:41:00] | kormoc: | Karen sits there and bitches about how a. |
| [09:41:00] | kormoc: | none of her friends will date her |
| [09:42:00] | kormoc: | b. everyone wants so much from her |
| [09:42:00] | twisted_one: | brb |
| [09:42:00] | Cardoe: | that's the roommate? |
| [09:42:00] | kormoc: | and I'm like, I just want a date and that's it |
| [09:42:00] | kormoc: | no, that'ss the girl I moved out here for |
| [09:42:00] | gnarface: | fuuuuck |
| [09:42:00] | gnarface: | kormoc: |
| [09:42:00] | gnarface: | god damn you |
| [09:42:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: seriously. |
| [09:42:00] | Cardoe: | drop her |
| [09:42:00] | gnarface: | www.okcupid.com |
| [09:42:00] | Cardoe: | like it's hot. |
| [09:42:00] | Cardoe: | seriously |
| [09:42:00] | Cardoe: | never talk to her again. |
| [09:42:00] | kormoc: | my room mate is a semi crazy redhead who I can't just seem to click with, she's too wild. |
| [09:42:00] | gnarface: | stop whining, drop the crazy bitch, and use a dating service. |
| [09:42:00] | Cardoe: | She'll realize she's an idiot. |
| [09:43:00] | kormoc: | gnarface, already have a profile, no matches. |
| [09:43:00] | kormoc: | well, none in my area. |
| [09:43:00] | gnarface: | *blink* |
| [09:43:00] | gnarface: | what area is that again? |
| [09:43:00] | kormoc: | Seattle |
| [09:43:00] | fryfrog: | are you restricting your search from MS chicks? |
| [09:43:00] | kormoc: | nope |
| [09:43:00] | fryfrog: | er, restricting MS chicks from your search :) |
| [09:43:00] | Cardoe: | gnarface: Go there. Re-condition him. |
| [09:44:00] | SarahEmm: | MS? |
| [09:44:00] | Cardoe: | SarahEmm: Microsoft. |
| [09:44:00] | kormoc: | Microsoft I'd assume |
| [09:44:00] | kormoc: | joking bout how few linux chicks there are |
| [09:44:00] | SarahEmm: | ok |
| [09:44:00] | SarahEmm: | <-- linuxchick :P |
| [09:44:00] | kormoc: | SarahEmm <-- rare :P |
| [09:44:00] | SarahEmm: | lol |
| [09:44:00] | SarahEmm: | true. |
| [09:44:00] | Cardoe: | yeah but you aim for the same target as us. |
| [09:44:00] | Cardoe: | so you don't count |
| [09:44:00] | fryfrog: | and also that seatle is teh home of teh MS |
| [09:44:00] | Cardoe: | ;) |
| [09:45:00] | SarahEmm: | Cardoe: :P |
| [09:45:00] | gnarface: | kormoc: just go to the damn gym and fricking work out hard for a couple hours a day while you're thinking about how much you suck. in 2 months tops, you can pick up any chick at any bar in the city. |
| [09:45:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, so you think I should just not talk to her and she'll come around and seek me out eh? |
| [09:45:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: maybe |
| [09:45:00] | Cardoe: | and if she doesn't |
| [09:45:00] | Cardoe: | you'll be better off for it. |
| [09:46:00] | Cardoe: | but don't give up after a month like I did with Jamie. |
| [09:46:00] | Cardoe: | Stephanie took almost 3 years. |
| [09:46:00] | kormoc: | gnarface, I don't look that bad to be honest, I just don't look that good, and mussel mass won't change that. |
| [09:46:00] | fryfrog: | man, when i was unemployed i went and worked out and it made a big diff in my normal life |
| [09:46:00] | kormoc: | Cardoe, every time I break off contact, she gets in contact with me and sucks me back in tho. |
| [09:46:00] | fryfrog: | i really need to start going again :/ |
| [09:46:00] | gnarface: | kormoc: it will if you're below about 5% bodyfat, at least to the chicks it will. |
| [09:46:00] | twisted_one: | back |
| [09:46:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: Jamie does the same thing. |
| [09:47:00] | kormoc: | gnarface, ugly mug, not much can be done. |
| [09:47:00] | gnarface: | kormoc: chicks like ugly shit |
| [09:47:00] | twisted_one: | what did I miss? |
| [09:47:00] | kormoc: | gnarface, gee, thanks. |
| [09:47:00] | gnarface: | kormoc: get tattoos to look meaner. |
| [09:47:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [09:47:00] | twisted_one: | and then start drinking and beating themn |
| [09:47:00] | gnarface: | yea |
| [09:47:00] | twisted_one: | it become cool to be trash |
| [09:47:00] | twisted_one: | how I loathe society |
| [09:47:00] | Cardoe: | seriously |
| [09:47:00] | twisted_one: | at least american society |
| [09:48:00] | twisted_one: | AND THE WORST PART |
| [09:48:00] | Cardoe: | And then they'll find another "nice" guy to complain too. |
| [09:48:00] | Cardoe: | The thing is... |
| [09:48:00] | Cardoe: | these girls GROW up eventually |
| [09:48:00] | twisted_one: | OF ALL THE PLACE THE BLAME LIES ITS SOMEHOW THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111oneone |
| [09:48:00] | Cardoe: | and then seek out the nice guys. |
| [09:48:00] | Cardoe: | No |
| [09:48:00] | Cardoe: | It's Walt Disney |
| [09:48:00] | Cardoe: | he fucked up all girls |
| [09:48:00] | twisted_one: | I was referring ot the "cool to be trash" mentality |
| [09:48:00] | Cardoe: | but seriously. |
| [09:48:00] | Cardoe: | disinterest is the best tool of the nice guy. |
| [09:48:00] | twisted_one: | I hate disney |
| [09:49:00] | Cardoe: | because it allows you to be the nice guy. |
| [09:49:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: sure then I get sucked back into her game and trash whatever relationship im in =P |
| [09:49:00] | Cardoe: | Forget her. |
| [09:49:00] | Cardoe: | I'm talking about new girls that you want to get. |
| [09:49:00] | Cardoe: | And oddly enough it works wonders getting "her" back eventually. |
| [09:50:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: I know |
| [09:50:00] | Cardoe: | If only I had pictures of the two girls that I'm "disinteresting" right now. |
| [09:50:00] | twisted_one: | and then I get her back, and she fucks me over again |
| [09:50:00] | Cardoe: | well one of them is no longer being "disinterested" |
| [09:50:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: well then drop her. |
| [09:51:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: I wish it was that simple |
| [09:51:00] | Cardoe: | It really is though |
| [09:51:00] | Cardoe: | you can think about her |
| [09:51:00] | ** gnarface never looks back. ** | |
| [09:51:00] | Cardoe: | gnarface: there ya go. |
| [09:51:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: you though Jamie looked good? |
| [09:52:00] | Cardoe: | the current redhead I'm seeing makes Jamie look ugly. |
| [09:52:00] | twisted_one: | heh |
| [09:52:00] | twisted_one: | its not so much about looks for me |
| [09:52:00] | twisted_one: | dont get me wrong |
| [09:52:00] | Cardoe: | That was a disinterest tactic. |
| [09:52:00] | Cardoe: | It's not looks for me either. |
| [09:52:00] | Cardoe: | I geninely was not interested in this girl. |
| [09:52:00] | Cardoe: | Because she was too much of an attention whore. |
| [09:53:00] | Cardoe: | And just had a bunch of annoying qualities. |
| [09:53:00] | Cardoe: | I was trying to date her roommate. |
| [09:53:00] | Cardoe: | and hung out with her roommate. |
| [09:53:00] | Cardoe: | and really just wished she would go away as much as possible. |
| [09:53:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [09:53:00] | Cardoe: | I made that pretty clear. |
| [09:53:00] | twisted_one: | I know the type |
| [09:53:00] | Cardoe: | Seriously. |
| [09:53:00] | Cardoe: | But she was determined to prove me otherwise I guess. |
| [09:53:00] | Cardoe: | I relented |
| [09:53:00] | Cardoe: | and she's not as bad as I originally thought. |
| [09:54:00] | Cardoe: | She's trying so hard. |
| [09:54:00] | Cardoe: | It's cute. |
| [09:54:00] | twisted_one: | very nice |
| [09:54:00] | Cardoe: | And surprisingly, she's realized how much of a bitch and stupid girl she's been all these years. |
| [09:54:00] | Cardoe: | she's been apologizing to past guys. |
| [09:55:00] | Cardoe: | I feel like a freaking miracle worker. |
| [09:55:00] | twisted_one: | wow |
| [09:55:00] | gnarface: | perhaps you are |
| [09:55:00] | Cardoe: | I honestly have no plans on the relationship going farther. |
| [09:55:00] | gnarface: | just make sure you can trust her if she's smarter than you |
| [09:55:00] | Cardoe: | It's good for me right now. |
| [09:55:00] | Cardoe: | gnarface: she's not smarter then me. |
| [09:55:00] | Cardoe: | if she is and has been hiding it this long |
| [09:55:00] | Cardoe: | She's pretty damn smart. |
| [09:56:00] | Cardoe: | either way. |
| [09:56:00] | Cardoe: | dinner gets cooked and I just show up to eat. |
| [09:56:00] | Cardoe: | and leave without helping out with anything. |
| [09:56:00] | gnarface: | that reminds me |
| [09:56:00] | gnarface: | anyone know any investment capitalists? |
| [09:56:00] | Cardoe: | Since I work like 65 hrs a week over the summer. |
| [09:56:00] | Cardoe: | So I show up on my break. |
| [09:56:00] | gnarface: | i want to start a company manufacturing robots for kitchen work. |
| [09:57:00] | Cardoe: | gnarface: i'd buy one... |
| [09:57:00] | Cardoe: | if I had the money |
| [09:57:00] | Cardoe: | And... |
| [09:57:00] | Cardoe: | She comes to my apartment. |
| [09:57:00] | Cardoe: | well she did this once so far. |
| [09:57:00] | Cardoe: | came over while I was at work. |
| [09:57:00] | Cardoe: | got my roommate to let her in. |
| [09:57:00] | Cardoe: | and did my laundry for me. |
| [09:57:00] | Cardoe: | without asking. |
| [09:57:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: holy hell |
| [09:58:00] | gnarface: | that's fantastic dedication really. |
| [09:58:00] | Cardoe: | Every girlfriend I've had always picks up slack. |
| [09:58:00] | Cardoe: | well |
| [09:58:00] | twisted_one: | must be a florida thing |
| [09:58:00] | Cardoe: | every girlfriend I've had while in Florida |
| [09:58:00] | gnarface: | yea, that's where my robot plan comes it |
| [09:58:00] | Cardoe: | not in NY |
| [09:59:00] | twisted_one: | gnarface: Im all for it |
| [09:59:00] | gnarface: | robots: for those of us without girlfriends. |
| [09:59:00] | twisted_one: | gnarface: how much of an investment? =) |
| [09:59:00] | gnarface: | man, robotics research won't be cheap |
| [09:59:00] | SarahEmm: | lol gnarface |
| [09:59:00] | twisted_one: | gnarface: I'll give you my dads contact info |
| [09:59:00] | twisted_one: | he loves to blow his money on stupid shit |
| [09:59:00] | gnarface: | ahhaha. |
| [09:59:00] | gnarface: | hey |
| [09:59:00] | twisted_one: | stupid shit that isnt my education |
| [09:59:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [10:00:00] | twisted_one: | He just dropped 300k on a gambling boat dealy in florida |
| [10:00:00] | Cardoe: | want to get him to pay off my tuition? |
| [10:00:00] | gnarface: | a robot dish washer loader/cook/laundry folder would *not* be a stupid contribution to modern society. |
| [10:00:00] | Cardoe: | god forbid my parents contributed a fucking dime. |
| [10:00:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: He'll most likely do it before he pays for mine =\ |
| [10:00:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: I'm in the same boat. |
| [10:00:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: exactly! |
| [10:00:00] | Cardoe: | my parents are doing so good that the gov't and everyone tells me to fuck myself. |
| [10:00:00] | Cardoe: | god forbid they give me a dime |
| [10:01:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: and my mother isnt exactly financially savvy, but she blows her money on stupid shit as well, just has alot less to blow |
| [10:01:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: she spent 10g on PETS last year (2 birds, 2 dogs and 3 ferrets) |
| [10:01:00] | Cardoe: | I was told my the school that I'm wasting their time with my financial aid forms. |
| [10:01:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: exactly |
| [10:01:00] | Cardoe: | I said "THEY DON'T GIVE ME A CENT!" |
| [10:01:00] | twisted_one: | I hate it, I cant get aid because of my parents income |
| [10:01:00] | Cardoe: | and it doesn't matter |
| [10:02:00] | twisted_one: | My dad was giving me 5g's a year, which was nice |
| [10:02:00] | twisted_one: | but then I found out it was actually my money he was giving me |
| [10:02:00] | twisted_one: | =\ |
| [10:02:00] | Cardoe: | heh. |
| [10:02:00] | Cardoe: | my biological dad died when I was a kid |
| [10:02:00] | Cardoe: | so I got a Social Security check |
| [10:02:00] | Cardoe: | which my mom took and tossed in the bank. |
| [10:02:00] | Cardoe: | they gave me that money. |
| [10:02:00] | Cardoe: | well not really gave it.. |
| [10:02:00] | Cardoe: | more like I had to submit bills to them. |
| [10:03:00] | Cardoe: | and everything had to be itemized and argued over. |
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| [10:03:00] | Cardoe: | But the day they found out I was helping support Jamie too. |
| [10:03:00] | Cardoe: | that money apparent entirely dried up. |
| [10:03:00] | Cardoe: | But I know it's BS... but I don't see a dime of it anymore. |
| [10:03:00] | twisted_one: | Note that the following topics of disinterest have been field tested and shown conclusively not to work: Unix, |
| [10:04:00] | twisted_one: | LOL! |
| [10:04:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: lol |
| [10:04:00] | Cardoe: | yup |
| [10:05:00] | SarahEmm: | mrew? |
| [10:05:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: just go with the philosophy of life sucks then you die. |
| [10:06:00] | kormoc: | yeah... |
| [10:06:00] | Cardoe: | women are evil |
| [10:06:00] | Cardoe: | Jamie moved in with me. |
| [10:06:00] | Cardoe: | I supported her 100% |
| [10:06:00] | Cardoe: | she worked enough to pay her rent. |
| [10:06:00] | Cardoe: | just rent |
| [10:06:00] | Cardoe: | nothing else... not even utilities. |
| [10:06:00] | Cardoe: | I paid her roommates for utilities. |
| [10:06:00] | ** kormoc notes how current roommate is the same ** | |
| [10:06:00] | Cardoe: | sometimes she didn't even cover rent. |
| [10:07:00] | Cardoe: | I took out loans |
| [10:07:00] | Cardoe: | and worked |
| [10:07:00] | twisted_one: | bah |
| [10:07:00] | Cardoe: | we signed a lease together for an apartment |
| [10:07:00] | Cardoe: | 6 days before we were to move in together |
| [10:07:00] | Cardoe: | she had left the state for the first time in her life. |
| [10:07:00] | Cardoe: | was a camp counsler in Penn. |
| [10:07:00] | Cardoe: | we broke up. |
| [10:07:00] | Cardoe: | I had to cancel the lease.. find another place. |
| [10:08:00] | Cardoe: | lose the whole deposit. |
| [10:08:00] | Cardoe: | oh... and I drove up there. |
| [10:08:00] | twisted_one: | lovely |
| [10:08:00] | Cardoe: | picked her up. |
| [10:08:00] | Cardoe: | she got 1 day off. |
| [10:08:00] | Cardoe: | drove to NYC |
| [10:08:00] | Cardoe: | took her to see Rent on Broadway. |
| [10:08:00] | Cardoe: | Took her to a couple of other places. |
| [10:08:00] | Cardoe: | then drove back. |
| [10:08:00] | Cardoe: | Tried to prep everything for her coming back. |
| [10:09:00] | Cardoe: | Even got a slightly bigger and more expensive place then I needed |
| [10:09:00] | Cardoe: | cause I figured she'd end up moving back in with me. |
| [10:09:00] | Cardoe: | Ended up having to drop out of fall semester |
| [10:09:00] | Cardoe: | to work extra |
| [10:09:00] | Cardoe: | to keep up with bills |
| [10:09:00] | SarahEmm: | i didn't mean to start this, honestly.. sorry people :P |
| [10:09:00] | Cardoe: | from when I supported her. |
| [10:10:00] | Cardoe: | And then depression got me Spring semester. |
| [10:10:00] | Cardoe: | Because I got injured with AFROTC and lost my commission. |
| [10:10:00] | twisted_one: | lol, hes using neitzsche, awesome! |
| [10:10:00] | Cardoe: | and I failed spring semester. |
| [10:10:00] | Cardoe: | and here I am over the summer. |
| [10:10:00] | Cardoe: | When I had a wedding planned for this past december. |
| [10:11:00] | Cardoe: | I was suppose to be commissioned as a 2nd Lt. |
| [10:11:00] | Cardoe: | I was assigned to Goodfellow AFB in Texas. |
| [10:11:00] | twisted_one: | aww, Cardoe all goes back to my distrust of those who call themselves christians |
| [10:11:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [10:11:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: agreed, |
| [10:11:00] | Cardoe: | So right now I'm trying to finish my computer engineering degree |
| [10:11:00] | Cardoe: | which I've decided I hate. |
| [10:11:00] | Cardoe: | And strongly don't wanna do anything related to computers for my professional career. |
| [10:11:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: its ok, like we said, its healthy and you really are of no fault, a mere catalyst perhaps, but most definatly not at fault |
| [10:12:00] | Cardoe: | So I turn down good paying Gentoo jobs. |
| [10:12:00] | twisted_one: | =\ |
| [10:12:00] | Cardoe: | and continue to bust my ass at the stupid grocery store |
| [10:12:00] | twisted_one: | drobbins just started working at ms =\ |
| [10:12:00] | Cardoe: | where I've had a college job for a few years. |
| [10:12:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: heh, i do the same at Target =\ |
| [10:12:00] | Cardoe: | and am now probably the lowest paid manager. |
| [10:12:00] | fryfrog: | dood, you turn down computer jobs to work at a grocery store? |
| [10:12:00] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: yeah |
| [10:13:00] | Cardoe: | well contract jobs. |
| [10:13:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: and I just got promoted to manager, meaning I will be the lowest paid =\ |
| [10:13:00] | fryfrog: | if you don't wanna work with computers, comp eng is gonna be a suck ass degree :) |
| [10:13:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: believe me. I win. |
| [10:13:00] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: It'll turn around. |
| [10:13:00] | gnarface: | Cardoe: heh. send them my way man. <-- keyboard for hire |
| [10:13:00] | fryfrog: | you mean YOU will turn around? |
| [10:13:00] | Cardoe: | I like doing my own thing with computers. |
| [10:13:00] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: eventually. |
| [10:13:00] | fryfrog: | ah, i see |
| [10:13:00] | Cardoe: | just need to get away from it a bit. |
| [10:14:00] | Cardoe: | oh |
| [10:14:00] | Cardoe: | and my parents are convinced I'm going to become a homeless bum. |
| [10:14:00] | Cardoe: | because I'm already a failure with my life. |
| [10:14:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: heh, okay. |
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| [10:14:00] | ** SarahEmm mostly thinking to herself not online heh ** | |
| [10:14:00] | Cardoe: | SarahEmm: lol |
| [10:14:00] | BMOC: | hi |
| [10:14:00] | gnarface: | get over that one Cardoe. they're from a different world. they can't know what its like living in this one, today. |
| [10:14:00] | BMOC: | anyone having livetv lockup problem? |
| [10:15:00] | Cardoe: | gnarface: I ignore them. |
| [10:15:00] | ** Cardoe shrugs. ** | |
| [10:15:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: ha, I do the same |
| [10:15:00] | Cardoe: | I don't take calls from them. |
| [10:15:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: but i live with them so it gets them pretty pissed off |
| [10:15:00] | ** gnarface ran away from home as soon as he was 18 ** | |
| [10:15:00] | Cardoe: | thank god for college |
| [10:15:00] | Cardoe: | I got away as fast as I could. |
| [10:16:00] | ** SarahEmm got kicked out of home as soon as she was 14 ** | |
| [10:16:00] | Cardoe: | but my mother now has cancer. |
| [10:16:00] | Cardoe: | So it's tough now. |
| [10:16:00] | BMOC: | 2005-06–14 04:16:06.575 prebuffering pause |
| [10:16:00] | BMOC: | 2005-06–14 04:16:06.575 waiting for prebuffer... |
| [10:16:00] | BMOC: | over and over and over on mythtv |
| [10:16:00] | Cardoe: | BMOC: DMA... |
| [10:16:00] | BMOC: | turned on |
| [10:16:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: why!? |
| [10:16:00] | BMOC: | i can record shows fine |
| [10:16:00] | BMOC: | it's just livetv |
| [10:16:00] | Cardoe: | BMOC: live TV reads and writes at the sametime. |
| [10:16:00] | BMOC: | it's just livetv |
| [10:17:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: erm... parents couldn't deal with me being around anymore, i was having some emotional issues at the time |
| [10:17:00] | Cardoe: | BMOC: recording just writes. |
| [10:17:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: Im sorry to hear that... =\ |
| [10:17:00] | BMOC: | Cardoe: yeah, regardless, it's deeper than DMA, as other people are having the same problem with this card |
| [10:17:00] | BMOC: | but no solution |
| [10:17:00] | Cardoe: | BMOC: oh |
| [10:17:00] | twisted_one: | Guess its something you deal with and become strongeg |
| [10:17:00] | twisted_one: | stronger* |
| [10:17:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted: *Shrug* in the end it worked out ok. i dropped out of school and started working fulltime in IT, so now i'm 23 and ahve 9 years of work experience |
| [10:17:00] | SarahEmm: | but it sucked at the time. |
| [10:17:00] | BMOC: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/archive/o_t/t . . . d_error.html |
| [10:17:00] | BMOC: | no solution |
| [10:17:00] | twisted_one: | BMOC: what card? |
| [10:18:00] | Cardoe: | kormoc: twisted_one: "This too shall pass." |
| [10:18:00] | Cardoe: | right SarahEmm ? |
| [10:18:00] | BMOC: | pvr-150mce |
| [10:18:00] | twisted_one: | BMOC: hrmm, my friend is having something quite similiar with his PVR-500 |
| [10:18:00] | BMOC: | on livetv? |
| [10:18:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: exactly |
| [10:18:00] | Cardoe: | sounds like the crap tastical drivers. |
| [10:18:00] | twisted_one: | BMOC: yes |
| [10:18:00] | BMOC: | yeah |
| [10:18:00] | BMOC: | every once in a while i can get it working |
| [10:18:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: meh, my 500 works wonderfully |
| [10:18:00] | BMOC: | but if i reboot, back to it again |
| [10:19:00] | Cardoe: | SarahEmm: just have to keep going and try to find happiness with what you've got. |
| [10:19:00] | Cardoe: | SarahEmm: then one day you realize things aren't as bad. |
| [10:19:00] | fryfrog: | damn, you guys are all crazies! |
| [10:19:00] | fryfrog: | well, not crazies but... i can't think of the words |
| [10:20:00] | Cardoe: | I just try to keep myself mildly happy with my little crazy redhead that everyone wants but who wants to do nothing but please me. |
| [10:20:00] | Cardoe: | and with my crappy underpaid job. |
| [10:20:00] | twisted_one: | heh |
| [10:20:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: sounds like a decent life |
| [10:20:00] | SarahEmm: | Cardoe: yeah... eventually |
| [10:21:00] | twisted_one: | Im working on getting the fuck outt my house |
| [10:21:00] | twisted_one: | want to go back to school |
| [10:21:00] | twisted_one: | I miss it |
| [10:21:00] | Cardoe: | twisted_one: good call |
| [10:21:00] | SarahEmm: | aww |
| [10:21:00] | SarahEmm: | .ckear= |
| [10:21:00] | twisted_one: | ? |
| [10:22:00] | BMOC: | 2005-06–14 04:22:25.905 prebuffer wait timed out.. |
| [10:22:00] | BMOC: | 2005-06–14 04:22:25.905 waiting for prebuffer... |
| [10:22:00] | BMOC: | and it never stops |
| [10:22:00] | Cardoe: | I just have to say that I love the smell of naplam in the morning |
| [10:22:00] | BMOC: | i'm not even doing anything |
| [10:22:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: indeed |
| [10:22:00] | twisted_one: | or ether =P |
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| [10:23:00] | Cardoe: | I gotta rent that movie. |
| [10:23:00] | twisted_one: | what movie? |
| [10:23:00] | Cardoe: | Apocolypse Now |
| [10:23:00] | twisted_one: | ah |
| [10:23:00] | twisted_one: | I need to see it |
| [10:23:00] | twisted_one: | =\ |
| [10:23:00] | twisted_one: | sadly I havent yet |
| [10:24:00] | Cardoe: | nor have I |
| [10:24:00] | ** SarahEmm meows ** | |
| [10:25:00] | twisted_one: | kawaii |
| [10:25:00] | twisted_one: | kawaii desu? (I think thats right) |
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| [10:26:00] | SarahEmm: | awww |
| [10:26:00] | twisted_one: | was that right? |
| [10:27:00] | SarahEmm: | not sure :) |
| [10:27:00] | ** SarahEmm is no good with japanese ** | |
| [10:27:00] | SarahEmm: | english and some ASL i'm okay with |
| [10:27:00] | SarahEmm: | nothing else :P |
| [10:27:00] | twisted_one: | ah |
| [10:27:00] | twisted_one: | do you know aht I said? |
| [10:27:00] | SarahEmm: | something about cuteness :) |
| [10:28:00] | twisted_one: | cute cat |
| [10:28:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [10:28:00] | SarahEmm: | hehe |
| [10:28:00] | ** Cardoe needs some hot investment tip. ** | |
| [10:28:00] | SarahEmm: | =^.^= |
| [10:28:00] | ** SarahEmm mews ** | |
| [10:28:00] | Cardoe: | Need to bribe someone for insider trading info |
| [10:28:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [10:28:00] | twisted_one: | Transmeta is a good investment right now |
| [10:29:00] | Cardoe: | thx twisted_one |
| [10:29:00] | twisted_one: | decently high risk though |
| [10:29:00] | twisted_one: | They just stopped with their main CPUs so that caused a big slump |
| [10:29:00] | twisted_one: | and have yet to announce any new source of revenue |
| [10:29:00] | twisted_one: | but they always have come up with something |
| [10:29:00] | twisted_one: | and shit, its like $.74 / share |
| [10:30:00] | twisted_one: | Buy a hundred sell at .50 |
| [10:30:00] | SarahEmm: | heh |
| [10:30:00] | twisted_one: | cant hurt too much |
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| [10:33:00] | Cardoe: | transmeta is gone. |
| [10:33:00] | Cardoe: | they don't have much umf left. |
| [10:33:00] | twisted_one: | umf? |
| [10:33:00] | twisted_one: | oh |
| [10:33:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [10:34:00] | twisted_one: | meh |
| [10:34:00] | twisted_one: | I think they will find a niche |
| [10:34:00] | twisted_one: | perhaps get bought out for hteir IP |
| [10:35:00] | Cardoe: | their only real IP is LongRun2 |
| [10:35:00] | twisted_one: | meh, true |
| [10:35:00] | SarahEmm: | umf? lol |
| [10:35:00] | SarahEmm: | i love technical terms |
| [10:35:00] | SarahEmm: | umf... |
| [10:36:00] | twisted_one: | some of the C3s design might prove itneresting, but meh prolly not |
| [10:38:00] | brejc8: | The problem with the C3s is they might have powered them selves down and out of the market |
| [10:38:00] | brejc8: | They are low power but very poor performance and now the Pentium M is etching on their ground with very good performance at passive heat sinking. |
| [10:39:00] | twisted_one: | yeah |
| [10:39:00] | twisted_one: | the c3 is dead |
| [10:39:00] | brejc8: | It has built up a fan base with the Mini ITX ppl |
| [10:40:00] | SarahEmm: | getting sleeepy. mew. |
| [10:41:00] | twisted_one: | same here =\ |
| [10:41:00] | twisted_one: | bah sleep |
| [10:41:00] | brejc8: | What time is it there? |
| [10:41:00] | twisted_one: | brings me back to the topic of being alone |
| [10:41:00] | SarahEmm: | 0540EDT |
| [10:41:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: me too :( |
| [10:41:00] | brejc8: | 10:40 here. Just got into work |
| [10:41:00] | twisted_one: | I loathe sleep while being single |
| [10:41:00] | SarahEmm: | been up for like 23h here now heh |
| [10:41:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: me too :( |
| [10:41:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: you are poly, not single =P |
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| [10:42:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: time for the pickup line.... =P |
| [10:42:00] | brejc8: | I dunno about that. The Mrs snores and I dont have the hart to wake her up to turn her over |
| [10:42:00] | twisted_one: | come sleep with me! |
| [10:42:00] | twisted_one: | (yeah, that was weak) |
| [10:42:00] | twisted_one: | brejc8: its alot better than not having the mrs |
| [10:42:00] | twisted_one: | =\ |
| [10:42:00] | brejc8: | Grass greener |
| [10:42:00] | twisted_one: | meh, |
| [10:43:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: me? :P |
| [10:43:00] | SarahEmm: | twisted_one: err, poly not single? *confused* |
| [10:44:00] | twisted_one: | SarahEmm: meh ignore my babble =P |
| [10:44:00] | tuxristo: | poly -> probably? |
| [10:44:00] | twisted_one: | but to answer your question, yes you |
| [10:44:00] | twisted_one: | tuxristo: no |
| [10:44:00] | tuxristo: | k |
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| [11:34:00] | the-FoX41: | hi ;) |
| [11:35:00] | SarahEmm: | hiya the-FoX41 |
| [11:35:00] | SarahEmm: | we have a lot of foxes here heh =^.^= |
| [11:37:00] | the-FoX41: | where ? |
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| [11:39:00] | twisted_one: | in their respective fox holes... silly |
| [11:39:00] | SarahEmm: | right now there the-FoX41 and GreyFoxx |
| [11:40:00] | the-FoX41: | is there a developer channel for myth? i want to know if there exists the possibility to osd the signal strength of dvb-signal while watching tv :) |
| [11:40:00] | the-FoX41 is now known as the-FoX | |
| [11:40:00] | brejc8: | The old code used to have that but on on OSD |
| [11:41:00] | brejc8: | it was in the system info menu |
| [11:41:00] | the-FoX: | on on OSD ? |
| [11:41:00] | SarahEmm: | i go sleepies |
| [11:41:00] | SarahEmm: | nini all |
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| [11:42:00] | SarahEmm: | the-FoX: #mythtv is the devel channel |
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| [11:47:00] | johnp_: | the-Fox41, I believe dtk is looking at this |
| [11:47:00] | lespiggot: | I'm going to build my mythtv box in the next couple of days but to save recorded shows on to dvd, are all dvd writers supported or is there a know list some where? |
| [11:48:00] | lespiggot: | was thinking about getting a pioneer 109 dual layer writer |
| [11:48:00] | brejc8: | All IDE dvd writers are supported in Linux |
| [11:48:00] | lespiggot: | :) |
| [11:48:00] | brejc8: | Some weird usb/Firewire ones might not be |
| [11:49:00] | lespiggot: | its an ide one :) |
| [11:49:00] | lespiggot: | though i should check before spending my hard earned cash lol |
| [11:49:00] | brejc8: | If it is internal that it would be |
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| [13:15:00] | VxJasonxV: | Anyone have any suggestions of ATI TV Tuner cards to stay away from for use with Myth? |
| [13:15:00] | VxJasonxV: | http://shop.ati.com/searchresults.asp?dept_id=27 <-- I'm looking at any one of those currently |
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| [13:24:00] | VxJasonxV: | how about the ATI TV Wonder Pro? http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2407447§ion_id=9 |
| [13:24:00] | ** VxJasonxV looks at woki ** | |
| [13:24:00] | VxJasonxV: | wiki* |
| [13:26:00] | lespiggot: | VxJasonxV: sorry can't answer that one (as I don't have ATI cards) but any reason why your going to ait? just curious. in the PVR hardware DB http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-pvrhwdb.php?fi . . . odified_desc the only ati cards mentioned are the Wonder VE |
| [13:26:00] | lespiggot: | ati even :) |
| [13:28:00] | VxJasonxV: | *shrugs* I like ATI is all I guess |
| [13:28:00] | VxJasonxV: | Hauppage is sitting in the back of my mind |
| [13:29:00] | VxJasonxV: | Hmmm |
| [13:29:00] | VxJasonxV: | People like Hauppauge? :P |
| [13:30:00] | VxJasonxV: | In all honestly, I just want something that will allow me to play my PS2, and occasionally use Myth |
| [13:30:00] | VxJasonxV: | (TV... that is) |
| [13:32:00] | VxJasonxV: | So the 350 adds on FM Radio support? |
| [13:33:00] | lespiggot: | ok, afaik, hauppauge have sort of been used for years and hence the drivers are all well documented and supported |
| [13:33:00] | VxJasonxV: | $200, ouch |
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| [13:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | The general favourite is the 250 followed by the 150, the 350 and finally the 500 |
| [13:34:00] | VxJasonxV: | now I rememeber why I put it on hiatus for now :-\ |
| [13:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | All of them incorporate hardware compression right on the card and myth supports the ivtv drivers for handling them |
| [13:34:00] | ** VxJasonxV checks the 150 ** | |
| [13:34:00] | lespiggot: | on my old mythbox, I used a $20 hauppauge TV-Go card and it worked ok, just picked up a 350 on ebay for 79 bucks so going to use that when it arrives |
| [13:36:00] | VxJasonxV: | bleh. I think I still need to put it on hold... because I do want to get a new hard drive too. |
| [13:37:00] | VxJasonxV: | Though I really want the ability to play my PS2 on my computer :-\ |
| [13:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | Well, the pvr cards are not really what you wanit in that case |
| [13:37:00] | VxJasonxV: | They are if I want to throw in MythTV functions too |
| [13:37:00] | GreyFoxx: | Cause they / myth all include a slight timedelay as the video is compressed and spooled to the drive. IT's a couple seconds behind what is coming in so it wuold make games unplayable |
| [13:38:00] | VxJasonxV: | really? |
| [13:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yes |
| [13:38:00] | VxJasonxV: | I thought there was a myth app that wouldn't buffer |
| [13:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | Not built into myth |
| [13:38:00] | VxJasonxV: | The last cheap USB thing I had had a max output of 320x240, and didn't sync at all, it wasn't a "PVR" per se, however |
| [13:38:00] | VxJasonxV: | hrm |
| [13:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | there are other tv apps that don't do the pvr type fuctions, but they use bttv style cards which don't include compression |
| [13:39:00] | lespiggot: | VxJasonV: why not go for a PS2 emulator? |
| [13:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | And you can use a bttv card with myth , it just takes more cpu to do it |
| [13:39:00] | VxJasonxV: | lespiggot, because I guarentee you the games I want to play on it won't run at full speed |
| [13:39:00] | VxJasonxV: | so what app/cards do I need for non-buffered use? |
| [13:39:00] | VxJasonxV: | if they even run |
| [13:39:00] | VxJasonxV: | that is |
| [13:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, xawtv and any supported bttv card (which are pretty cheap) |
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| [13:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | the bttv cards basically return a raw yuv frame from the incoming feed, and the app shunts it right to the video card, so you incur almost no delay |
| [13:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | And then when you use myth with that card then the compression would happen in software, but you could still use it |
| [13:41:00] | VxJasonxV: | Any recommendations for a specific card? |
| [13:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | Nope |
| [13:41:00] | VxJasonxV: | I did see that bttv term being thrown around |
| [13:41:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't use bttv cards anymore |
| [13:42:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have a couple laying around but they are a few years old |
| [13:42:00] | VxJasonxV: | I hadn't doven (<--?) into everything yet, so I was entirely unsure of it's meaning compared to other types |
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| [13:56:00] | laga: | VxJasonxV: 'dived' i guess |
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| [14:18:00] | mrproper_: | Can anyone tell me how to set auto transcoding after recording on 0.18 (mythtv.org says its under mythtv-setup under general, but i cant see it...am i blind?) |
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| [14:23:00] | CyberKnet: | *yawn* |
| [14:23:00] | laga: | *reyawn* |
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| [15:05:00] | dsegel: | I thought auto-transcoding was under the recording profiles section |
| [15:05:00] | dsegel: | in mythfrontend |
| [15:10:00] | reel: | you are correct |
| [15:10:00] | CyberKnet: | dsegel: Yeah, that would make sense to me |
| [15:10:00] | CyberKnet: | gah. did you ever have one of those nights where you slept so hard that you woke up tired? |
| [15:10:00] | laga: | i have them 5 times a week |
| [15:11:00] | laga: | the other 2 days, i'm just hung over :> |
| [15:11:00] | CyberKnet: | =) |
| [15:11:00] | CyberKnet: | I've had a mountain dew today *and* a coke, and I'm still really tired |
| [15:12:00] | laga: | i've had two coffee and 1l diet coke and it doesn't help *sigh* |
| [15:13:00] | rjune: | sex will help wake you in the morning |
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| [15:14:00] | CyberKnet: | rjune: wife was uncooperative :| |
| [15:15:00] | rjune: | mine's still sleeping from last night |
| [15:15:00] | reel: | CyberKnet: what about the girlfriend? |
| [15:15:00] | CyberKnet: | uhuh |
| [15:15:00] | CyberKnet: | reel: just a wife =) |
| [15:15:00] | laga: | sex helps against morning wood, too |
| [15:15:00] | reel: | ohhh, wink wink :P |
| [15:15:00] | rjune: | against morning wood? |
| [15:16:00] | reel: | just messing O:) |
| [15:16:00] | CyberKnet: | laga: only if you dont have to piss like a racehorse, at which point in time it becomes very uncomfortable =P" |
| [15:16:00] | CyberKnet: | reel: =) |
| [15:16:00] | laga: | rjune: heh. got that expression from beavis and butthead ;) |
| [15:16:00] | laga: | CyberKnet: heh |
| [15:16:00] | rjune: | I wish I had morning wood anymore. I wake up to my son screaming now |
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| [15:17:00] | CyberKnet: | rjune: ouch :| |
| [15:17:00] | ** laga is protecting the environment by not getting kids ** | |
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| [15:18:00] | rjune: | CyberKnet: indeed. another on the way too |
| [15:20:00] | ** CyberKnet needs another 3 hours of sleep ** | |
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| [15:24:00] | ** rjune needs another 3 hours of something, but sleep isn't it ** | |
| [15:25:00] | ** laga needs bigger and faster computers ** | |
| [15:25:00] | ** CyberKnet would like a gigabit ethernet switch ** | |
| [15:26:00] | ** laga would like to fiddle with his mythtv box instead of studying spanish ** | |
| [15:27:00] | CyberKnet: | Uno mas margarita, por favor |
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| [15:29:00] | laga: | we actually made a t-shirt which says 'una cerveza por favor' for our trip to spain, it was fun |
| [15:31:00] | sphing: | does any one know a timeserver that matches tv scheduling? |
| [15:32:00] | rjune: | heh, my boy likes bzflag |
| [15:32:00] | laga: | what's bzflag? |
| [15:32:00] | rjune: | ACK *COUGH* |
| [15:33:00] | rjune: | http://bzflag.sf.net |
| [15:34:00] | laga: | oh, nice |
| [15:34:00] | rjune: | oh yeah |
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| [15:42:00] | dagar: | I upgraded the motherboard in my file server p2 to athlon and now I'm having problems with the 2 promise ide controllers I use |
| [15:42:00] | dagar: | both controllers and all 4 drives show on boot up but I only get dev listings for drives on 1 controller |
| [15:44:00] | dsegel: | anything in dmesg about the missing drives? |
| [15:44:00] | dsegel: | or go into fdisk and make sure it recognizes the partitions and part. types |
| [15:45:00] | dagar: | no dmesg shows the missing drives just as the ones I have access to |
| [15:46:00] | dagar: | during an installation of sarge of FC I can see all drives for partitioning but it freezes when it goes to format |
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| [15:46:00] | dagar: | the only thing thats changed is the mobo |
| [15:46:00] | dagar: | I've tried to athlon mobos and have the same problem with both |
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| [15:50:00] | CyberKnet: | wb jonK |
| [15:51:00] | dagar: | does anyone here use 2 promise controllers in the same pc? |
| [15:51:00] | CyberKnet: | not I. |
| [15:51:00] | rjune: | I don't use any promise controllers. sorry |
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| [15:51:00] | CyberKnet: | I use nforce sata controller. |
| [15:51:00] | dagar: | the bloody things don't get along with each other when used in a relatively new system |
| [15:51:00] | dagar: | hmm |
| [15:51:00] | laga: | a friend has borrowed my promise controller |
| [15:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | dagar: I have a file server with two in it |
| [15:53:00] | dagar: | what is the system? |
| [15:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | Be a little more specific :) |
| [15:54:00] | dagar: | I had 2 working together perfectly in a p2, now that I upgraded the mobo, processor, etc they don't get along |
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| [15:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's in abox with a Athlon XP2500+(barton) and nforce2 motherboard |
| [15:54:00] | rjune: | I use 3ware controllers myself. |
| [15:55:00] | CyberKnet: | GreyFoxx: my pvr-500 should arrive today. I ordered it sunday night from buy.com with free 7–9 day shipping. how about that? |
| [15:55:00] | CyberKnet: | rjune: mmmmm.... 3ware. |
| [15:55:00] | dagar: | GreyFoxx: on system startup are your hard drives detected on each controller seperatly or do you get one screen with all drives showing? |
| [15:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | CyberKnet: Cool. Gotta love that |
| [15:55:00] | CyberKnet: | GreyFoxx: no kidding. since when does buy.com ever ship things *fast*? |
| [15:55:00] | CyberKnet: | =) |
| [15:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | dagar:seperate screen for each |
| [15:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | But that box is at a colo facility. It's a been awhile since I last watched it boot |
| [15:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was a seperate screen for each. I have 1 drive per chain. 2 on the motherboard, and 2 per promise card |
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| [15:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | for 6 drives in total |
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| [15:58:00] | CyberKnet: | I wonder what Bierdo is doing today that is keeping away from procrastinating. (intentionally misspelled so as not to raise his attention =P") |
| [15:58:00] | laga: | CyberKnet: this pirates games |
| [15:59:00] | CyberKnet: | laga: I tried that out last night. |
| [15:59:00] | laga: | and? still awake? |
| [15:59:00] | CyberKnet: | laga: It was okay, but I personally didn't find it captivating like others did. |
| [15:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: I searched and searched and never came up with a photo of that remote yesterday :) |
| [15:59:00] | laga: | yeah, i prefer crack myself, too |
| [15:59:00] | CyberKnet: | laga: My wife really liked it. |
| [16:00:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: wait a sec. |
| [16:00:00] | CyberKnet: | laga: I guess I'm too used to hack & slash games. |
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| [16:01:00] | dagar: | GreyFoxx: I have a very similar setup, I noticed when I had it on a Pentium 2 I had 2 seperate screens for detection but now I have 1 screen with 8 slots for drives and it detects all 4 |
| [16:01:00] | rjune: | puzzlepirates? |
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| [16:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | dagar: Nifty, maybe the first card is finding and communicating withj the other? *Shrug* |
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| [16:04:00] | dagar: | I don't know but I finally upgraded my server and can't get my raid array back up |
| [16:04:00] | dagar: | when I get home I'll try swapping the cards and maybe even calling promise support |
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| [16:07:00] | js2638: | exit |
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| [16:09:00] | CyberKnet: | rjune: yes |
| [16:09:00] | rjune: | wow, that was delayed |
| [16:10:00] | CyberKnet: | yeah |
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| [16:11:00] | CyberKnet: | filling out a web form |
| [16:11:00] | CyberKnet: | wow. using miranda for IRC. that plugin sucked. |
| [16:11:00] | CyberKnet: | (not me, the-FoX was) |
| [16:11:00] | ** rjune shrugs, if it works for him ** | |
| [16:11:00] | laga: | great, i'm trying to rip this DVD and it has like 6 english audio streams. |
| [16:12:00] | CyberKnet: | *shrug* |
| [16:13:00] | laga: | and 15 subtitles *snicker* |
| [16:15:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: http://www.pearl.de/pearl.jsp;jsessionid=hDqZ . . . ;screenY=768 |
| [16:16:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: click on 'weitere abbildungen' |
| [16:16:00] | rjune: | weiter? |
| [16:16:00] | rjune: | somethinb build right? |
| [16:17:00] | laga: | rjune: http://dict.leo.org/?lp=ende&lang=de& . . . earch=weiter |
| [16:17:00] | laga: | something like 'more' in this case |
| [16:17:00] | rjune: | not finding the weiter link, is it an image? |
| [16:18:00] | laga: | rjune: it's below the image of the remote |
| [16:18:00] | laga: | the little red arrows |
| [16:22:00] | rjune: | laga: not seeing it man, you mena the remote up at the top? |
| [16:22:00] | laga: | rjune: yep |
| [16:22:00] | laga: | above the '29,90 euro' ;) |
| [16:23:00] | rjune: | you mean the camera? |
| [16:23:00] | laga: | uh-oh. |
| [16:23:00] | laga: | loke like they dont like direct links. |
| [16:24:00] | laga: | looks* |
| [16:24:00] | laga: | well, just go to www.pearl.de and enter 'Q-Sonic Universal-Fernbedienung mit Infrarot-Tastatur' into the search mask |
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| [16:30:00] | rjune: | laga: ok. |
| [16:34:00] | CyberKnet: | rjune: ok. |
| [16:35:00] | laga: | ok @ all. |
| [16:37:00] | dagar: | if I have a hard drive that I can see in /proc, dmesg and everywhere but I don't have an entry in /dev, how do I create one? |
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| [16:39:00] | laga: | dagar: umm.../dev/MAKEDEV? |
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| [17:00:00] | JohnnyQuest: | is http://atrpms.net/ down for anyone else? |
| [17:03:00] | Sake__: | yeah connection refused |
| [17:03:00] | JohnnyQuest: | that happened yesterday |
| [17:03:00] | JohnnyQuest: | but others could connet to it |
| [17:03:00] | JohnnyQuest: | and i couldnt until i reset my ip |
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| [17:04:00] | reel: | JohnnyQuest: there were some emails on the list about it |
| [17:04:00] | reel: | You can(I did) change your repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
| [17:04:00] | reel: | put a "# " in front of the repositories that are currently down, and add a line like so |
| [17:04:00] | reel: | rpm http://http://mirrors.ircam.fr pub/atrpms/fedora/3/en/i386 at-stable |
| [17:04:00] | reel: | This should be a near, to perfect mirror. At a glance, it looked good. |
| [17:04:00] | reel: | he put an extra http:// in there but that line should work once you remove it and they don't seem to be doing the mean throttling that atrpms is doing |
| [17:06:00] | hadeees: | hmm does anyone know if this serial->usb converter works under linux? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Ite . . . #DetailSpecs |
| [17:06:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ok |
| [17:06:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i changed it |
| [17:06:00] | JohnnyQuest: | got it to update |
| [17:06:00] | JohnnyQuest: | but it wasnt the same repository.. |
| [17:06:00] | reel: | i think it is supposed to be a mirror |
| [17:06:00] | JohnnyQuest: | but i was uisng a different one... |
| [17:07:00] | reel: | different than what |
| [17:07:00] | JohnnyQuest: | differnt than that mirror you gave me |
| [17:07:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i had a didfernt link to a repository tht was supposed to be the same and up to date... |
| [17:07:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i dont remember where i found it or anything |
| [17:08:00] | JohnnyQuest: | atrpms didnt do any of that throttling last night |
| [17:08:00] | JohnnyQuest: | at like 2 am |
| [17:08:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i did a bunch of updates |
| [17:08:00] | jonK: | you need to run apt-get update after changing your repository list |
| [17:08:00] | JohnnyQuest: | but i had class this morning at 8 so i didnt do all my updates |
| [17:08:00] | reel: | oh so use that. axel wrote something to the list about if you connect more than 12 times at once, you get throttled |
| [17:08:00] | reel: | apparently dist-upgrade is doing that or they are being too sensitive right now |
| [17:09:00] | JohnnyQuest: | im gonna go change the source list.. |
| [17:09:00] | JohnnyQuest: | hopefully it works |
| [17:09:00] | hadeees: | damn, how are you supposed to know if a serial->usb works under linux, the docs on this are so vauge, they say most work but i want to find one I know will |
| [17:10:00] | Riff-Raff: | general advice: search the relevant mailing lists for reports of working units |
| [17:10:00] | Sake__: | dist-upgrade in ubuntu or deb? |
| [17:10:00] | Sake__: | i |
| [17:10:00] | Sake__: | i've been going back and forth for the last 10 hours |
| [17:10:00] | Sake__: | lol |
| [17:11:00] | Sake__: | ubuntu breaks, sarge doesn't authenticate with the database |
| [17:11:00] | Sake__: | and i think right now i'm broken and need to go reconfigure a router for a happy auto mechanic down the street |
| [17:11:00] | Sake__: | yeah tendonitis |
| [17:11:00] | Sake__: | *wink* |
| [17:12:00] | Sake__: | hah, in deb, i startx – user not authorized to run xserver |
| [17:12:00] | Sake__: | and so i run xdm – can not access mysql, access denied – even as root – read something about some package making the passwords wrong, dunno if thats what i'm up against |
| [17:13:00] | Sake__: | lataz though =) |
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| [17:13:00] | rayv3n: | hello all! |
| [17:15:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, hello |
| [17:15:00] | rayv3n: | hi hadeees |
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| [17:16:00] | rayv3n: | I'm looking for some answer on Lirc+mythtv |
| [17:17:00] | rayv3n: | Actually mostly about lirc. I was hoping someone could point me to a good source since I've been google-ing since Sat and still haven't found any answers |
| [17:17:00] | rayv3n: | The second box I built with apt-get running fedora core 3 everything works accept sadly lirc |
| [17:17:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, whats your problems with lirc |
| [17:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Sweet, that's exactly what I'm looking for (that remote). I'm gonna look into ordering a couple. I'll hack up a driver if I need to |
| [17:18:00] | hadeees: | what remote? |
| [17:18:00] | hadeees: | GreyFoxx, don't you have a niveus? |
| [17:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | It's a remote with what appears to be a USB reciever that has a full flip open mini keyboard insite |
| [17:19:00] | rayv3n: | I followed the instruction on http://wilsonet.com/mythtv, when I get to running irw. irw starts up and stays running. I can see that lircd is happy but irw does not display events from the remote |
| [17:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | hadeees: Yup I do |
| [17:19:00] | rayv3n: | dmesg shows the following |
| [17:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | I had seen a link to this remote before but lost it |
| [17:19:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, have you run lircd in non spawn mode? |
| [17:19:00] | hadeees: | so it prints to the console? |
| [17:19:00] | rayv3n: | Hadees yes |
| [17:19:00] | hadeees: | and what happens when irw connects? |
| [17:20:00] | rayv3n: | nothing gets printed |
| [17:20:00] | rayv3n: | lirc_i2c: chip found @ 0x18 (Hauppauge IR) |
| [17:20:00] | rayv3n: | ivtv: i2c attach [client=Hauppauge IR,ok] |
| [17:20:00] | rayv3n: | lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 10 |
| [17:20:00] | hadeees: | i think you might be able to specify what irw connets to |
| [17:21:00] | hadeees: | try explicitly point it to your lircd |
| [17:21:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, ok let me try that |
| [17:21:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: are ya going to order them from germany? |
| [17:21:00] | hadeees: | GreyFoxx, whats the link? |
| [17:22:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, just did that and same results |
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| [17:23:00] | hadeees: | I think the future of MythTV remote is with MythWifi, if you guys know of the Pronto remotes that cost a huge amount of money, with a $100 crappy PDA with a wifi card you could have a remote that looks just like a Pronto that talks to mythtv over wifi |
| [17:23:00] | hadeees: | netremote.org does this for windows |
| [17:23:00] | hadeees: | well windows ce |
| [17:23:00] | hadeees: | it could do it for MythTV but the software costs $20 |
| [17:24:00] | hadeees: | i don't think it is much but i wonder if MythTV users would pay for it |
| [17:24:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, lircd -n |
| [17:24:00] | rayv3n: | lircd 0.7.1: lircd(hauppauge) ready |
| [17:24:00] | rayv3n: | lircd 0.7.1: accepted new client on /dev/lircd |
| [17:24:00] | laga: | i certainly wouldn't pay for that. |
| [17:24:00] | hadeees: | laga, have you looked at it? its a pronto replacement |
| [17:24:00] | hadeees: | i think it is pretty neat |
| [17:24:00] | laga: | especially because the magicitx.com guys already have mythwifi |
| [17:24:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, what else should I try? |
| [17:25:00] | laga: | hadeees: i don't feel like paying for software |
| [17:25:00] | hadeees: | laga, even to small software companies? |
| [17:25:00] | hadeees: | they are the heart of america |
| [17:25:00] | laga: | hadeees: i'd probably pay for good support |
| [17:25:00] | hadeees: | i wish i could start a small software company |
| [17:25:00] | laga: | hadeees: i don't give a filesystemcheck about the USA ;) |
| [17:25:00] | hadeees: | laga, you need support on a remote? |
| [17:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: I've never seen them anywhere else, so I will likely have too. Unfortunately I can't read it hehe |
| [17:26:00] | laga: | hadeees: it's a piece of software. |
| [17:26:00] | hadeees: | so whats the link to this remote |
| [17:26:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: there is a different seller. they're also located in germany, though :/ |
| [17:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | www.perl.de and do a search for Q-Sonic Universal-Fernbedienung mit Infrarot-Tastatur |
| [17:26:00] | GreyFoxx: | two results come back, and it's the 2 in 1 |
| [17:27:00] | hadeees: | laga, i don't like paying to heartless corps but keeping the little guy on their feet is something i feel we all should do |
| [17:27:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, sorry when you say link to the are you talking physical or software? |
| [17:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | I want one to play with |
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| [17:27:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, hehe sorry i wasn't talkt to you, i wanted to know about the remote |
| [17:27:00] | laga: | brb, i have thermal grease in my eye |
| [17:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | laga: I don't mind ordering from Germany, It's just harder with the language issue heh |
| [17:27:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, :/ heh |
| [17:27:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, i don't know whats going on, something is wrong because you should atleast see a client rejected or soemthing |
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| [17:28:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, something strange from my dmesg output |
| [17:28:00] | rayv3n: | bttv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_read |
| [17:28:00] | rayv3n: | bttv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog |
| [17:28:00] | rayv3n: | cx88xx: Unknown symbol tveeprom_read |
| [17:28:00] | rayv3n: | cx88xx: Unknown symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog |
| [17:28:00] | rayv3n: | cx8800: Unknown symbol cx88_reset |
| [17:28:00] | rayv3n: | cx8800: Unknown symbol cx88_call_i2c_clients |
| [17:28:00] | rayv3n: | cx8800: Unknown symbol cx88_wakeup |
| [17:28:00] | rayv3n: | cx8800: Unknown symbol cx88_risc_stopper |
| [17:28:00] | rayv3n: | cx8800: Unknown symbol cx88_print_irqbits |
| [17:28:00] | rayv3n: | I kept this brief but it goes on for a few more lines |
| [17:29:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, well first anything over 2 lines you should use a pastebin like pastebin.ca |
| [17:29:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: i guess you could just ask them via email, they should remember some of their school egnlish ;) |
| [17:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [17:29:00] | rayv3n: | sorry for the long paste, :) |
| [17:29:00] | hadeees: | laga or GreyFoxx whats the link? |
| [17:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | hadeees: I just told you |
| [17:29:00] | rayv3n: | modprobe bttv |
| [17:29:00] | rayv3n: | FATAL: Error inserting bttv (/lib/modules/2.6.10–1.770_14.rhfc3.at/kernel/drivers/media/video/bttv.ko) : Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| [17:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | go to that site and do the search |
| [17:29:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: it's www.pearl.de ;) |
| [17:30:00] | laga: | GreyFoxx: if you're having other issues language-wise, let me know |
| [17:30:00] | hadeees: | laga, you know the lang? you should order a bunch and have GreyFoxx come up with a driver and sell them on ebay |
| [17:30:00] | rjune: | hadeees: he's german |
| [17:31:00] | rayv3n: | hardeees, what else could I check,troubelshoot, etc? |
| [17:31:00] | laga: | d'oh! |
| [17:31:00] | laga: | http://www.pearl.de/pd-direct-link.jsp?pdid=P . . . tidfrom=1601 |
| [17:31:00] | laga: | this is the direct link. mea maxima culpa ;) |
| [17:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | Even better |
| [17:31:00] | hadeees: | laga, intresting, thats a really ugly remote though |
| [17:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | Doesn't have the multiple photos like the other link |
| [17:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | unless you click on the link under the remote picture |
| [17:32:00] | hadeees: | GreyFoxx, have you done anything new to the nevius remote driver? |
| [17:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | nothin cept fix the left/right mouse buttons |
| [17:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't use them , but someone pointed out they didn't work for them :) |
| [17:33:00] | laga: | hadeees: well, and the c't (german computer magazine) says that this remote is 'relatively large compared to other remotes and chiseled' |
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| [17:33:00] | hadeees: | GreyFoxx, why don't you use it anymore? |
| [17:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | , I meant I don't use the mouse buttons, I still use the remote |
| [17:34:00] | hadeees: | oh, can you give me the link to that patch again? |
| [17:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | I hadn't noticed that they were not working until someone pointed it out to me |
| [17:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | www.phaze.org/mythtv/ati_remote.c |
| [17:35:00] | hadeees: | thx |
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| [17:35:00] | hadeees: | So who wants to program a Pronto like remote for mythtv |
| [17:35:00] | jonK: | woot! ups tracking says my roomba has arrived |
| [17:35:00] | hadeees: | jonK, i have one, they are nice |
| [17:35:00] | hadeees: | you need to clean them all the time though... |
| [17:35:00] | rayv3n: | jonK, I love my roomba it rocks |
| [17:35:00] | laga: | i've got a lovely remote that came with my set top box, it has a lot of extra buttons. i'd like to use it with mythtv, but irrecord is such a pita *sigh* |
| [17:35:00] | johnp_: | GreyFoxx, as a matter of interest which version of the kernel do you run with that remote ? |
| [17:36:00] | rjune: | if I had all the shit picked up off my floor, I might consider a roomba |
| [17:36:00] | hadeees: | laga, i hate lirc |
| [17:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | johnp_: I have an old 2.4.x version I use to use, but that one I've been using since 2.6.8 or 2.6.9 |
| [17:36:00] | hadeees: | lirc has never worked as well as I had hoped |
| [17:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | currently 2.6.11.5 |
| [17:36:00] | hadeees: | and it is so damn slow |
| [17:36:00] | jonK: | i was concerned that it might not vacuum very well, but then thought, it couldn't possibly be worse than the current situation of vacuum never |
| [17:37:00] | laga: | hadeees: dito |
| [17:37:00] | hadeees: | jonK, the trick i use is run it every day |
| [17:37:00] | hadeees: | jonK, that way it can handle keeping the floor clean |
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| [17:37:00] | hadeees: | scares the shit out of my dog though |
| [17:37:00] | jonK: | i'm hoping it can be set to " |
| [17:37:00] | jonK: | "auto clean" |
| [17:37:00] | jonK: | every day at noon or somethign |
| [17:38:00] | hadeees: | jonk, nope |
| [17:38:00] | hadeees: | jonK, you could set it up though with an ir blaster |
| [17:38:00] | rayv3n: | jonK, my roomba works great and if you have dog or cat hair you will appreciate the roomba even more |
| [17:38:00] | jonK: | well — time to start the hacking then |
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| [17:38:00] | hadeees: | jonK, i have been looking into roomba hacking my self |
| [17:38:00] | jonK: | it's the roomba discovery that is supposed to automatically return to it's charger |
| [17:38:00] | johnp_: | GreyFoxx, I know this is really vague and woolly but has the module ever kicked out exceptions to the dmesg log ? (I see them, but I haven't got around to tracking them down) |
| [17:38:00] | jonK: | err its charger |
| [17:38:00] | hadeees: | the best solution i have seen is a pda to control the roomba |
| [17:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | rayv3n: How loud are those? I've though of getting one and letting it run after my kid goes to bed :) |
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| [17:39:00] | jonK: | i'll let you know tomorrow — just ask |
| [17:39:00] | rayv3n: | GreyFoxx, about half or less then a regular vaccuum |
| [17:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | johnp_: Nothing I can think of offhand :) |
| [17:39:00] | hadeees: | jonK, although this uses IR right now, there is a serial port on the roomba that some people hope will let you control it some day |
| [17:39:00] | jonK: | mine comes with a remote... still need pda? |
| [17:40:00] | hadeees: | jonK, no it was a mod, they are planing on using the pda like a computer to control the roomba |
| [17:40:00] | hadeees: | the pda would sit on the roomba's back |
| [17:40:00] | hadeees: | all the time |
| [17:40:00] | jonK: | i'd like a mod so my wireless xbox controllers with it |
| [17:40:00] | jonK: | add some sweet weaponry |
| [17:40:00] | hadeees: | jonK, i don't know about that |
| [17:40:00] | hadeees: | i wanted to do it so my roomba would know where in the house it was |
| [17:41:00] | hadeees: | come up with better cleaning |
| [17:41:00] | hadeees: | like following my dog around |
| [17:41:00] | jonK: | I'd like to just have a programmed path to follow |
| [17:41:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, can you make anymore suggestions? |
| [17:41:00] | jonK: | unless its internal algorithm is really good |
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| [17:41:00] | ** laga hides because someone let the geeks out ** | |
| [17:42:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, i don't know, i have never seen it before where irw won't even cause an error with lircd |
| [17:42:00] | jonK: | you're using IRC to connect to a room dedictaed to an opensource software project....wow |
| [17:42:00] | jonK: | kettle meet black |
| [17:42:00] | hadeees: | jonk, it was a joke son, a joke |
| [17:43:00] | jonK: | so was mine |
| [17:43:00] | hadeees: | less funny |
| [17:43:00] | jonK: | it would have to be |
| [17:43:00] | laga: | jonK: ha-ha! my joke was better than yours! |
| [17:43:00] | jonK: | stop... don't make me cry |
| [17:44:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, I'm compiling a debug version of the lirc_dev and i2c modules to see if there might be more |
| [17:44:00] | laga: | yeah, ok. |
| [17:44:00] | laga: | yay, i've just found a lircd.conf for my remote. cool stuff. |
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| [17:45:00] | hadeees: | anyone here know mythtv really well and watched the systm episode on it? |
| [17:45:00] | rjune: | systm? |
| [17:45:00] | hadeees: | www.systm.org |
| [17:45:00] | hadeees: | damn |
| [17:45:00] | laga: | i watched the episode, but it dont know mythtv really well |
| [17:46:00] | laga: | but the guys did a nice job |
| [17:46:00] | hadeees: | anyway i wrote this, http://www.scopetech.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3334 |
| [17:46:00] | hadeees: | it is basicly what they should have also told you about |
| [17:46:00] | hadeees: | kind of correcting where they got it wrong but i would like some other people who know mythtv really well to look it over |
| [17:46:00] | hadeees: | and give me corrections |
| [17:46:00] | rjune: | that's kinda cool |
| [17:47:00] | laga: | but almost 90% of mythtv users use hardware mpeg2. |
| [17:47:00] | laga: | could you show me your figures? |
| [17:47:00] | laga: | Fourth, Firewire on digital cable boxs are supposed to be enabled. |
| [17:47:00] | laga: | you forgot about the dboxII running tuxbox (in CVS) |
| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | it's tuner, not tunner :) |
| [17:48:00] | Beirdo: | BTW |
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| [17:48:00] | rayv3n: | Has anyone played with the Hauppauge 500 yet? |
| [17:48:00] | rayv3n: | Does it really have dual tuner ? |
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| [17:49:00] | jonK: | yes, but it seems to dislike to be in the box with a 350 |
| [17:50:00] | rayv3n: | jonK, what about playing nice with a 250? same problem? |
| [17:50:00] | jonK: | i don't know |
| [17:50:00] | jonK: | have not tried that setup |
| [17:50:00] | jonK: | but i have a 500 where both tuners will tune if in the box alone, only one will tune when i add the 350 |
| [17:50:00] | jonK: | when i add a second 500, both tuners of the second 500 will work |
| [17:51:00] | Beirdo: | so maybe don't add the 350 |
| [17:51:00] | jonK: | (by tune, i mean will modprobe ivtv will correctly configure) |
| [17:51:00] | hadeees: | jonK, wait so the 500 works if the pvr 350 isn't there |
| [17:51:00] | jonK: | yes |
| [17:51:00] | jonK: | beirdo, but i want the fine tvout of the 350! |
| [17:51:00] | hadeees: | jonK, that is really strange |
| [17:52:00] | hadeees: | jonK, you should post to the ivtv mailing list |
| [17:52:00] | jonK: | ok |
| [17:52:00] | Beirdo: | then you have a problem :) |
| [17:52:00] | jonK: | i have many, this is but one |
| [17:52:00] | Beirdo: | you could put the 500s in a different machine |
| [17:52:00] | hadeees: | Beirdo, okay mr. $$$ bags but most of use can't have a seprate machine for every tunner |
| [17:53:00] | jonK: | thought about putting the 350 in a different machine, but it seems pretty wasteful |
| [17:53:00] | hadeees: | seems like an over lap or something |
| [17:53:00] | hadeees: | jonK, well if you have a frontend and a backend then the 350 would have to be in the frontend to get tv-out |
| [17:53:00] | jonK: | god only knows what's going to happen whyn i try to add the hd3000 |
| [17:54:00] | rayv3n: | has anyone tried the HDTV card ATI puts out? |
| [17:54:00] | Beirdo: | hadeees: if he can afford to be buying 2 500s and a 350, I think he might have enough dough for another backend machine while he waits for the ivtv guys to fix the problem |
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| [17:56:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, got some new info, after compiling and inserting the debug version of lirc_dev and i2c, /dev/lirc is replaced by /dev/lirc0 and irw does not work |
| [17:57:00] | rayv3n: | lircd dies as well |
| [17:57:00] | Maybelline: | Anyone know if there's any workaround for the KM400 system freeze problem? |
| [17:58:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, is lircd pointing at /dev/lirc0? |
| [17:58:00] | jonK: | run lircd with lircd --device=/dev/lirc0 |
| [17:58:00] | hadeees: | Maybelline, bee stings |
| [17:59:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees it was pointing to /dev/lirc... changing that now |
| [17:59:00] | Maybelline: | ?? |
| [17:59:00] | Maybelline: | I'm a noob to MythTV and IRC, so I don't know which deficiency makes me not know what "bee stings" means! :) |
| [18:00:00] | hadeees: | Maybelline, it means you need to give more information before anyone can help you with your problems, i know about as much about KM400 as you do about what i said |
| [18:00:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, ok same problem lircd loads up find with the encantation you gave me. irw loads up find but no events are displayed same as before |
| [18:00:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, have you run irrecrod? |
| [18:00:00] | hadeees: | record |
| [18:01:00] | Maybelline: | Ahh. I've read in the gossamer threads about KM400 chipsets causing system locks when using the PVR500 (perhaps others) |
| [18:01:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, no I haven't |
| [18:01:00] | Maybelline: | if I cat /dev/video0, I get a complete system lock. |
| [18:01:00] | hadeees: | hadeees, i think your problem is there isn't any keys |
| [18:01:00] | hadeees: | hadeees, you need to record your keys first |
| [18:01:00] | hadeees: | irw will print out what key you are pressing |
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| [18:02:00] | hadeees: | but untill you make a lircrc file then i has no clue |
| [18:02:00] | LedHed: | hello |
| [18:02:00] | hadeees: | LedHed, hi |
| [18:02:00] | LedHed: | anyone here try Fedora Core 4 yet? |
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| [18:03:00] | hadeees: | LedHed, not me |
| [18:03:00] | Maybelline: | not here, either. |
| [18:03:00] | rjune: | LedHed: I have |
| [18:03:00] | rjune: | whatcha need? |
| [18:03:00] | LedHed: | wondering if its better than FC3. I had lots of issues with FC3 |
| [18:04:00] | rjune: | depends on what your issues were |
| [18:04:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, when you say keys what are you refering to? |
| [18:04:00] | rjune: | so far its ok. mostly just updated software. which means less problems |
| [18:04:00] | rayv3n: | .lircrc ? |
| [18:04:00] | rjune: | I don't see anything hugely different |
| [18:04:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, run irrecord and record your keys |
| [18:04:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, yeah |
| [18:04:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, the buttons on your remote |
| [18:05:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, even if you have one pre made from someone else |
| [18:05:00] | rjune: | LedHed: most of the repos haven't finished building for it yet, so don't expect all the software for a week or two |
| [18:05:00] | jonK: | hadees no, i think you only need the lircrc file to send keys to a given program. i think IRW sends text based on the lircd.conf file |
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| [18:05:00] | jonK: | at least, i've ran IRW without any lircrc existing on the system |
| [18:05:00] | hadeees: | jonK, hmm mabey your right |
| [18:06:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, I have the file corresponding to my remote and it still does not work |
| [18:06:00] | hadeees: | replace what ever irrecord makes |
| [18:06:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, i know make a new one |
| [18:06:00] | rayv3n: | ok |
| [18:06:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, first if you can record a new one then your stuff is working |
| [18:06:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, i have had strange problems some times where the codes don't match for the premade one |
| [18:06:00] | hadeees: | who knows hy |
| [18:06:00] | hadeees: | why |
| [18:07:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, I'm working on it now |
| [18:08:00] | hadeees: | rayv3n, but it is working, it is responding to your remote? |
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| [18:12:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, I'm running the irrecord now hang on |
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| [18:13:00] | jonK: | question: what is the proper setting for input connections and the pvr 500? |
| [18:13:00] | hadeees: | jonK, what do you mean? |
| [18:13:00] | CyberKnet: | jonK: I dont know right now, but I will before next weekend is out |
| [18:13:00] | jonK: | in mythtv-setup i've setup cards for /dev/video1, 3, and 4 |
| [18:14:00] | jonK: | what input should be used, as bewtten tuner 0 and tuner 1 |
| [18:14:00] | hadeees: | i know the pvr-500 has two tuners but does it have two hardware mpeg2 chips also? |
| [18:14:00] | jonK: | yes |
| [18:14:00] | jonK: | i think.... |
| [18:15:00] | jonK: | myth-setup gives a tuner 0 and tuner 1 option for the pvr500 /dev/videoX cards |
| [18:15:00] | jonK: | but does not for the pvr350 --only the tuner0 option |
| [18:15:00] | CyberKnet: | hadeees: afaik yes. It is two pvr-150's squished together. |
| [18:16:00] | CyberKnet: | jonK: ivtv should print what video devices are what tuners when it starts up, does it not? |
| [18:16:00] | jonK: | these are the right /dev/devices, im wondering about the other setting, tuner0 and tuner1 |
| [18:17:00] | jonK: | as the input connection assinged to the card in mythtv-setup |
| [18:17:00] | CyberKnet: | should only be two variations to try |
| [18:17:00] | jonK: | for four tuner's that's 8!! |
| [18:17:00] | jonK: | but since im using only three |
| [18:17:00] | CyberKnet: | you already know which card has which video devices, no? |
| [18:17:00] | jonK: | yes |
| [18:17:00] | jonK: | 1,2,3,4 |
| [18:18:00] | jonK: | but 2 wont modprobe correctly |
| [18:18:00] | jonK: | so just using 1,3 and 4 |
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| [18:18:00] | CyberKnet: | so pvr-500 card1 has video devices 2 and 3? |
| [18:18:00] | jonK: | no 1 and 2 |
| [18:18:00] | CyberKnet: | okay. |
| [18:18:00] | jonK: | and card two has 3 and 4 |
| [18:19:00] | CyberKnet: | so on /dev/video1 try tuner0, if that doesn't work, try tuner1 |
| [18:19:00] | CyberKnet: | then add a new capture card as /dev/video3 and try tuner0 with it, see if it works, if not use tuner1 |
| [18:19:00] | CyberKnet: | each card has a tuner0 and a tuner1 |
| [18:20:00] | CyberKnet: | and since you already know the video devices for each card, it's just two combinations to try. |
| [18:20:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, I ran irrecord it ask me to hold down a key, it made progress dots then ask me to name a button then hit it. I did this until the last button then it ask me to press a button many times I did but it didn't return after that. |
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| [18:21:00] | CyberKnet: | jonK: does that make sense to you? |
| [18:22:00] | jonK: | yes -- |
| [18:22:00] | jonK: | but wanted to udnerstand not just mechanically find right settings |
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| [18:23:00] | CyberKnet: | jonK: two video devices, two tuners. there may be a logical way to deduce it, but I haven't looked into it. |
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| [18:33:00] | CyberKnet: | jonK_: came on without your xmission host? |
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| [18:35:00] | JohnnyQuest: | what is the command to see my ip adress on the network? |
| [18:35:00] | jonK_: | am connected from my mythtv box |
| [18:35:00] | jonK_: | ssh connection to it from my office |
| [18:36:00] | jonK_: | real quality techniqe for wasitng time |
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| [18:36:00] | jonK_: | sometimes i shut down the ssh server to it |
| [18:36:00] | jonK_: | xmission is a fantastic ISP in utah — offers shell only account for $10 month |
| [18:37:00] | jonK_: | johnny ifconfig should show the ip address, you're probably looking for the address assigned to eth0 |
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| [18:38:00] | Ray_: | Has anyone here used the SnapStream Firefly remote? |
| [18:38:00] | jonK_: | woot! |
| [18:38:00] | jonK_: | got it working last night |
| [18:38:00] | Ray_: | How hward was it to get working? |
| [18:39:00] | Ray_: | *hard |
| [18:39:00] | jonK_: | although, i'm going to redo the lircrc file to remap the keys in a way more intuitive to me |
| [18:39:00] | jonK_: | not to hard at all |
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| [18:39:00] | Ray_: | I thought since it had a USB receiver that it did not require lirc> |
| [18:39:00] | Ray_: | *? |
| [18:40:00] | jonK_: | you were incorrect |
| [18:40:00] | jonK_: | you should be happy that lirc supports usb devices, otherwise it'd be useless |
| [18:41:00] | jonK_: | do you have one? |
| [18:41:00] | Ray_: | I am at the checkout in amazon debating if I am going to get one |
| [18:41:00] | xris: | for those looking for more video storage: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144393 |
| [18:41:00] | jonK_: | i paid 50 at fry's what they want? |
| [18:41:00] | CyberKnet: | oooooh, has anyone seen the Hiper Media Center case? |
| [18:41:00] | Ray_: | Would you recommend it? Or are there better ones |
| [18:42:00] | Ray_: | amazon wants 43 plus a 10 dolalr mail in rebate |
| [18:42:00] | xris: | CyberKnet: link? |
| [18:42:00] | jonK_: | i've only had it working for one night, haven't reallyused it much, but it seems fine enough |
| [18:42:00] | jonK_: | so 33? bottom line |
| [18:42:00] | rayv3n: | can anyone shed some ligtht on why lircd runs, accepts client connections, irw starts and runs but no events are display. Oh and irrecord seems to respond when using the remote? |
| [18:42:00] | Ray_: | after the mail in rebate... yeah |
| [18:42:00] | jonK_: | lircd.conf does not have the right values |
| [18:42:00] | rayv3n: | I'm on my last couple of hairs |
| [18:42:00] | jonK_: | would be my guess |
| [18:43:00] | jonK_: | or is your system looking for /etc/lirc/lircd.conf? |
| [18:43:00] | jonK_: | and you're file is in the wrong place<-- saw this error in a post somewhere |
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| [18:43:00] | Ray_: | Would anyone recommend another remote over the Snapstream firefly remote? |
| [18:43:00] | jonK_: | tivo |
| [18:43:00] | jonK_: | s |
| [18:43:00] | jonK_: | if i could use it |
| [18:44:00] | Ray_: | What about the Remote Wonfer II? |
| [18:44:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/20050614/ho . . . _pcs-01.html |
| [18:44:00] | jonK_: | but for difficulty of configuration, i dont think you'll have any more/less trouble with the firefly |
| [18:44:00] | jonK_: | rayv3n try running lircd not as a daemon |
| [18:44:00] | jonK_: | kill it if running and try lircd -n |
| [18:45:00] | LedHed: | when upgrading to the latest Fedora release, is it better to do a clean unstall or is it ok to just upgrade? |
| [18:45:00] | xris: | CyberKnet: looks cheap. |
| [18:45:00] | jonK_: | then in another xterm run irw and see if it's being registered |
| [18:45:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: two pci risers on ribbons |
| [18:45:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: as well as an agp riser |
| [18:45:00] | CyberKnet: | the silver version looked better, imo |
| [18:45:00] | xris: | you do know that risers can cause all KINDS Of issues. |
| [18:45:00] | CyberKnet: | nope |
| [18:45:00] | CyberKnet: | didn't know that. |
| [18:46:00] | CyberKnet: | because of timings? |
| [18:46:00] | xris: | huge portion of our support issues are because manufacturers don't understand that, either. |
| [18:46:00] | rayv3n: | jonK, thats the way I'm running it right now |
| [18:46:00] | LedHed: | I've never had any issues with risers. but I've only used them in 2 systems |
| [18:46:00] | xris: | riser X will work with raid card Y, but nothing else... that kind of thing. |
| [18:46:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: hmmm |
| [18:47:00] | xris: | we're also dealing in high-end raid card stuff, too. |
| [18:47:00] | jonK_: | are you getting irw to register with lircd? |
| [18:47:00] | CyberKnet: | xris: I dont think I'd use this case for a backend anyways... but for a frontend (with no need for risers) it looks nice. |
| [18:47:00] | xris: | yeah, it's nice and slim |
| [18:47:00] | xris: | I still like the lc-11, though |
| [18:47:00] | LedHed: | CyberKnet, which case? |
| [18:48:00] | rayv3n: | jonK, yes irw loads and lircd say accepting client connection but not events get displayed. I also double checked my .lircrc |
| [18:48:00] | Beirdo: | I like the LC10 |
| [18:48:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: Hiper Media Center: http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/20050614/ho . . . _pcs-01.html |
| [18:48:00] | jonK_: | lircrc is not relevant here |
| [18:48:00] | Beirdo: | I don't remember why I liked it better than LC11, but there was something |
| [18:48:00] | jonK_: | do you have an lircd.conf? |
| [18:48:00] | LedHed: | WOW, thats a pretty case |
| [18:48:00] | rayv3n: | jonK_, yes I have it |
| [18:48:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: indeed. |
| [18:49:00] | LedHed: | how much? |
| [18:49:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: doesn't look like a pc case... which is my problem with most. |
| [18:49:00] | jonK_: | i can look at it this evening if you'd like, where are you getting values for lircd.conf? |
| [18:49:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: haven't found anyone selling it yet =) |
| [18:49:00] | LedHed: | bummer |
| [18:49:00] | CyberKnet: | http://www.hipergroup.com/products/media.html |
| [18:49:00] | jonK_: | and forgive my ignorance, what's a riser? |
| [18:49:00] | CyberKnet: | seems to be the manufacturers website. |
| [18:49:00] | LedHed: | I dont see an IR window |
| [18:50:00] | jonK_: | that's what drills are for! |
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| [18:50:00] | LedHed: | No, why pay for a case like that and have to drill.... |
| [18:50:00] | rayv3n: | jonK_, I have two mythtv boxen, both with the same hauppauge pvr 250 and same remote. I borrowed my working lircd.conf file |
| [18:51:00] | LedHed: | I wouldnt use it for a backend either, but would make a NICE frontend. |
| [18:51:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: that's what I was thinking. |
| [18:51:00] | jonK_: | stupid question: you've plugged in the cable for this machine? |
| [18:51:00] | rayv3n: | jonK_, not stupid that was the problem on Saturday, its plugged in now ;) |
| [18:52:00] | jonK_: | do you have permissions to write to lircd? |
| [18:52:00] | LedHed: | How could they come up with such a nice design and forget the VFD & IR window? |
| [18:52:00] | rayv3n: | jonK_, for trouble shooting purposes I have been setting them to 777 |
| [18:52:00] | jonK_: | can I scroll back up using bitchx? |
| [18:53:00] | jonK_: | batteries in this remote? good batteries? |
| [18:53:00] | rayv3n: | jonK_, changed those out with fresh ones last night |
| [18:53:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: it costs 57.85 pounds at a reseller I found in the UK. |
| [18:53:00] | jonK_: | damn you |
| [18:53:00] | jonK_: | stop shooting me down, im only trying to help |
| [18:53:00] | LedHed: | whats that in USD? $150 |
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| [18:54:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: in the vicinity of, try xe.com |
| [18:54:00] | Beirdo: | or ask google |
| [18:54:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:54:00] | LedHed: | I won't buy a HTPC case unless it has an IR window... |
| [18:54:00] | Beirdo: | it can do currency conversions too now |
| [18:54:00] | CyberKnet: | what's the syntax? |
| [18:55:00] | LedHed: | Google does e-mail, maps, stocks, etc. all since it went IPO |
| [18:55:00] | Beirdo: | gimme a sec, CyberKnet |
| [18:55:00] | CyberKnet: | googling for it now |
| [18:55:00] | rayv3n: | jonK_, I know and I appreciate it but I'm pulling my last hair out trying to convince a friend that mythtv rocks! |
| [18:55:00] | rayv3n: | :) |
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| [18:56:00] | jonK_: | maps.google.com is cool |
| [18:56:00] | Beirdo: | I've seen it do it, can't remember syntax |
| [18:56:00] | LedHed: | google also converts units. Feet to Miles or yards to Km etc |
| [18:56:00] | CyberKnet: | I know it converts units, I just haven't seen it convert currency |
| [18:56:00] | rayv3n: | could someone recommend a "known" working kernel +ivtv +lirc +mythtv-suite for my fedora-core 3 box? |
| [18:57:00] | jonK_: | are you running lircd against the correct device? |
| [18:57:00] | LedHed: | the units conversion syntax is 5280 ft in inches |
| [18:57:00] | LedHed: | currency is probably similar |
| [18:57:00] | CyberKnet: | 57.85 GBP = 104.581 USD |
| [18:57:00] | CyberKnet: | I tried "57.85 GBP in USD" with no luck |
| [18:58:00] | rayv3n: | jonK_, yes a funning thing is happen that is different when I replaced the debug versions of lirc_dev and lirc_i2c though |
| [18:58:00] | LedHed: | not to bad. But I want an IR window... :) |
| [18:58:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: dremel =P" |
| [18:58:00] | LedHed: | Oh no, I would destroy a perfectly good HTPC case |
| [18:58:00] | rayv3n: | jonK_, /etc/udev create /dev/lirc0 instead of what I use to have which was /dev/lirc I had to change my /etc/sysconfig/lircd to match |
| [18:58:00] | LedHed: | You should see the case I water cooled. It was frightful |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | at least LedHed knows his own incompetence... better than most |
| [18:59:00] | LedHed: | thanks |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | the first step is to know you have a problem... |
| [18:59:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [18:59:00] | rayv3n: | jonK_, I would be prefectly happy to blow away my box, err friend's box and laod something else if it worked fine after install :) |
| [19:00:00] | jonK_: | are you loading the atiusb module? and have the lirc_61xxx alias ? |
| [19:00:00] | jonK_: | err lirc_i2c module |
| [19:01:00] | rayv3n: | jonK_, this is what I have alias char-major-61 lirc_i2c |
| [19:01:00] | LedHed: | http://finance.yahoo.com/currency |
| [19:01:00] | jonK_: | and where are you loading the lirc_i2c module? |
| [19:01:00] | rayv3n: | jonK_, its in the /etc/modprobe.conf file, funny enough the problem that Wilson.net mentions about not loading ivtv on start seem to be true in my case though I think un-related to lircd |
| [19:02:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, http://www.xe.com/ucc |
| [19:02:00] | kormoc: | LedHed, a slightly better one imho |
| [19:02:00] | jonK_: | the alias line is in modprobe.conf, but wher are you loading lirc_i2c? |
| [19:02:00] | rayv3n: | jonK_, from /lib/modules/2.6.10–1.770_14.rhfc3.at/updates/drivers/lirc |
| [19:03:00] | jonK_: | dmesg have anything to say? |
| [19:03:00] | LedHed: | I never leave the us, so I rarely need to convers currency... |
| [19:03:00] | rayv3n: | yeah its long should I paste it somehwere else |
| [19:03:00] | LedHed: | Beirdo, I found another gripe about Canada |
| [19:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm constantly having to convert currency for expense reports. What a pain |
| [19:03:00] | ** CyberKnet is a fan of xe.com ** | |
| [19:04:00] | jonK_: | i have no idea |
| [19:04:00] | jonK_: | that's a problem... |
| [19:04:00] | Beirdo: | Canada is perfectly fine. don't you be spouting off about Canada :) |
| [19:04:00] | jonK_: | eh? |
| [19:04:00] | CyberKnet: | jonK_: Yes, he should |
| [19:04:00] | Beirdo: | that's right, eh! |
| [19:05:00] | CyberKnet: | jonK_: recommend pastebin.ca |
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| [19:05:00] | LedHed: | Canada has a no foot blocking rule in Ultimate frisbee. Very lame, as I use my feet all the time. |
| [19:05:00] | jonK_: | rayv3n stop-- |
| [19:05:00] | Beirdo: | speaking of lame.... |
| [19:05:00] | LedHed: | :) |
| [19:05:00] | Beirdo: | *cough( |
| [19:06:00] | LedHed: | Ever played? |
| [19:06:00] | Beirdo: | can I play it sitting on my ass? |
| [19:06:00] | CyberKnet: | HAH! |
| [19:06:00] | CyberKnet: | *cough* |
| [19:06:00] | kormoc: | Virtual Ultimate Frisbee! |
| [19:06:00] | Beirdo: | well there's your answer |
| [19:06:00] | LedHed: | I'm sure you doo lots of stuff with your ass. |
| [19:06:00] | jonK_: | Beirdo: how bout you come down from your curule chair and play some u-fris with kormoc |
| [19:06:00] | rjune: | Beirdo: canada is a bunch of tree hugging hippies. :-D |
| [19:06:00] | CyberKnet: | Now with the no foot block value add patch! |
| [19:06:00] | Beirdo: | I don't like running |
| [19:07:00] | LedHed: | rjune, Right On! |
| [19:07:00] | Beirdo: | I'll play hockey... or badminton |
| [19:07:00] | jonK_: | i played hockey in high school |
| [19:07:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: I take it that you mean ice hockey? |
| [19:07:00] | Beirdo: | but ultimate is for jocks and other silly people who enjoy running around |
| [19:07:00] | kormoc: | Ice Ufris! |
| [19:07:00] | LedHed: | I'll kick your ass at badmiton |
| [19:07:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: well DUH |
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| [19:07:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: Worst. Sport. Bastardization. Ever. |
| [19:07:00] | Beirdo: | LedHed: not when I was on my game you wouldn't |
| [19:08:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: HUH?! |
| [19:08:00] | jonK_: | i'd love to play some badmitton beirdo |
| [19:08:00] | CyberKnet: | worse than netball as to basketball. |
| [19:08:00] | Beirdo: | Ice Hockey rules |
| [19:08:00] | jonK_: | it's just not somethign that men do though |
| [19:08:00] | Beirdo: | it's the ONLY hockey |
| [19:08:00] | LedHed: | I've never really watched or played hockey. |
| [19:08:00] | Beirdo: | jonK_: only sensible men will play badminton :) |
| [19:08:00] | ** CyberKnet played field hockey for his school ** | |
| [19:08:00] | LedHed: | mostly because its canadian |
| [19:08:00] | jonK_: | it's like cricket — i understand the concept |
| [19:08:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: field hockey is for chicks, and it's the bastardization |
| [19:09:00] | LedHed: | I like almost any non-team sport. |
| [19:09:00] | rjune: | LedHed: no sex for you then eh? |
| [19:09:00] | jonK_: | so you like to do it alone? |
| [19:09:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: maybe up there in NotAmerica |
| [19:09:00] | jonK_: | bah beat me |
| [19:09:00] | Beirdo: | although watching teen girls whack each other with those little clubs... :) |
| [19:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | ALL sports suck ass unless you are actually playing, or a bare minimum watching them live |
| [19:09:00] | rjune: | jonK_: hahaha |
| [19:09:00] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: or used to play them |
| [19:09:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: hear hear |
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| [19:09:00] | LedHed: | rjune, well I have 4 kids so I must stray from individual sports now and then |
| [19:09:00] | Beirdo: | ice hockey just rules |
| [19:09:00] | GreyFoxx: | How the hell people can sit down and watching someone else play a game for hour on end I'll never understand |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | where else can you flatten your boss and get away with it |
| [19:10:00] | LedHed: | exactly |
| [19:10:00] | CyberKnet: | GreyFoxx: I concur |
| [19:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: Hehe |
| [19:10:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: how can people sit down and watch other people live their life(aka reality tv) |
| [19:10:00] | LedHed: | lol |
| [19:10:00] | CyberKnet: | rjune: I also concur |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx: and believe me, I flattened him a few times! :) |
| [19:10:00] | LedHed: | reality tv is an oxymoron |
| [19:10:00] | GreyFoxx: | rjune: for 99% of reality tv I agree. If I wanted to see real shit I would go outside and watch people |
| [19:10:00] | CyberKnet: | rjune: sports tv and reality tv should both disappear =) |
| [19:11:00] | Beirdo: | reality TV is useless.. build a porch on your house |
| [19:11:00] | Beirdo: | and then you can heckle too |
| [19:11:00] | LedHed: | I do watch Survivor. But its not reality |
| [19:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | There are a couple shows I get a kick out of, but mostly the back stabbing aspect |
| [19:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | but the majority of it I have no use for |
| [19:11:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: so what's it like being the puck on an ice hockey rink? |
| [19:11:00] | LedHed: | ever wonder why the women dont have hairy pits? |
| [19:11:00] | eelriverlt: | no |
| [19:12:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: cold and painful, I'd imagine |
| [19:12:00] | CyberKnet: | Didn't you say you used to 'play'? |
| [19:12:00] | CyberKnet: | ;) |
| [19:12:00] | LedHed: | There isnt much Ice in California |
| [19:12:00] | Beirdo: | LedHed: tell that to the Anaheim Ducks and LA Kings :) |
| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | and San Jose Sharks |
| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | am I missing any? |
| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:13:00] | LedHed: | I'm just saying that I may have been more inclined to play if there were more ice in Cali. |
| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | it would be hard to find a rink to play on |
| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | up here, in the winter, it's dead easy |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | every pissant town has at least one indoor rink, and often outdoor ones too |
| [19:14:00] | kormoc: | why not more outdoor ones? |
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| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | village of 500 people... hell yeah, they have a "town" rink |
| [19:14:00] | CyberKnet: | because a good ice rink is just a matter of pouring out a ton of water, right? |
| [19:14:00] | CyberKnet: | bah |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: because it depends on the weather too much |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | and it's a lot of shovelling to keep it clear |
| [19:15:00] | FITH: | well.... and getting a Zamboni to shave it |
| [19:15:00] | Beirdo: | but a good rink needs to be level, smooth, etc... it's hard to keep an outdoor rink right |
| [19:15:00] | kormoc: | fair nuff. |
| [19:15:00] | Beirdo: | you don't often use zambonis outdoors |
| [19:15:00] | CyberKnet: | it's hard enough to create a good rink indoors. |
| [19:15:00] | CyberKnet: | and really freaking slow. |
| [19:15:00] | Beirdo: | heh, true |
| [19:16:00] | Beirdo: | you'd be surprised |
| [19:16:00] | CyberKnet: | I don't think I would. |
| [19:16:00] | Beirdo: | they can lay down like 8 inches of good ice in a matter of a couple days |
| [19:16:00] | Beirdo: | something along those lines |
| [19:16:00] | CyberKnet: | that's really slow. My freezer makes ice in under an hour =P" |
| [19:16:00] | Beirdo: | and then it stays there all winter |
| [19:16:00] | CyberKnet: | *grin* |
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| [19:17:00] | Beirdo: | not 8 inches thick and the size of a hockey rink, it doesn't |
| [19:17:00] | CyberKnet: | details. |
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| [19:17:00] | jonK: | I've skated at a speed skating oval, much more fun than on the foul unevn surface of a pond |
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| [19:17:00] | ** kormoc 's never skated, so he wouldn't really know ** | |
| [19:17:00] | ** CyberKnet loves skating ** | |
| [19:17:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: fix that |
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| [19:18:00] | Beirdo: | I love playing hockey out on the lake |
| [19:18:00] | CyberKnet: | I love ice skating. I just think that ice hockey is the epitome of bastardized sports. that's all. =) |
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| [19:18:00] | Beirdo: | until the ice does its KABOOOM shit |
| [19:18:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: ice hockey rules |
| [19:18:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: I think ice hockey sucks. |
| [19:18:00] | Beirdo: | you come up here, strap on the skates and the gear, and see how much fun you can have |
| [19:19:00] | hasse: | I need help with a DVB card. I put it into my machine and did "echo dvb_bt8xx >> /etc/modules", and after that it started to load frontend drivers. After that I could create a video source and search for channels and so on. But I did that on my desk, where there is no antenna. Now I've lugged the computer to the antenna, and now I get "Device or resource busy" for the DVB card. What gives? |
| [19:19:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: I can't STOP. ergo I couldn't play ice hockey =P" |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | Oh, you'd learn to stop... :) |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:19:00] | reel` is now known as reel | |
| [19:19:00] | CyberKnet: | well, I take that ack |
| [19:19:00] | CyberKnet: | I can stop |
| [19:19:00] | CyberKnet: | it's just not pleasant |
| [19:19:00] | CyberKnet: | =) |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | turn feet sideways |
| [19:19:00] | kormoc: | turn into a human ball? |
| [19:20:00] | CyberKnet: | 1. turn feet sideways. 2. fall over |
| [19:20:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: exactly =) |
| [19:20:00] | FITH: | then listen to your ankles break, repeat until breaking sound stops |
| [19:20:00] | hasse: | 3. answer question ;) |
| [19:20:00] | FITH: | :) |
| [19:20:00] | Beirdo: | don't try it on rollerblades though, it can be hilarious to watch a slidestop on rollerblades |
| [19:20:00] | CyberKnet: | I've been sliced from cheek to ear because of that =) |
| [19:20:00] | Beirdo: | hasse: sorry, not a DVB user |
| [19:20:00] | CyberKnet: | actually, someone deliberately tapped my skate. |
| [19:20:00] | CyberKnet: | that was not fun. |
| [19:20:00] | hasse: | Im not sure it's really a DVB issue, actually. |
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| [19:21:00] | hasse: | Why is the card suddenly busy? |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: you need to lean.. |
| [19:21:00] | hasse: | I just took the machine down and up again. |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | hasse: something else might be accessing it |
| [19:21:00] | hasse: | But what? |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | how should we know? :) |
| [19:21:00] | CyberKnet: | Beirdo: I can lean to turn... =) |
| [19:21:00] | hasse: | I'm trying to set things up so that I *can* access it, so what would do that already? |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | Dunno, hasse, need to talk to someone with DVB, it's likely driver-related |
| [19:22:00] | CyberKnet: | hasse: try lsof or soemthing I dunno. |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | CyberKnet: it takes time to learn the slide stop and be confident with it. best done on an empty rink |
| [19:22:00] | CyberKnet: | not best done on an empty drink =) |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | the other method of stopping is running into me :) |
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| [19:23:00] | Beirdo: | as a couple of coworkers found out the fun way (well, fun for me) |
| [19:23:00] | CyberKnet: | run into sidewall, generally, or stop the same way you do with roller skates |
| [19:23:00] | rayv3n: | hadeees, I think I found the problem |
| [19:23:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, tight quick turn works |
| [19:23:00] | rayv3n: | jonK, I think I found the problem |
| [19:23:00] | Beirdo: | drag a skate... |
| [19:23:00] | CyberKnet: | I used to skate weekly at school. it was a lot of fun. |
| [19:24:00] | CyberKnet: | dragging a skate is how I would stop. |
| [19:24:00] | Beirdo: | on rollerblades, I took the heelstop off, cambered them like hockey skates, then used tight quick turning to slow down most of the time |
| [19:25:00] | Beirdo: | occasionally I'd forget and slidestop/wipe out |
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| [19:25:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:25:00] | CyberKnet: | never did find rollerblades that fit comfortably. |
| [19:25:00] | CyberKnet: | never were wide enough |
| [19:25:00] | Beirdo: | I had the gen 1 lightning (I think it was) |
| [19:25:00] | Beirdo: | black with flourescent yellow |
| [19:25:00] | Beirdo: | then my feet grew out of them |
| [19:25:00] | Beirdo: | those things were super-smooth |
| [19:26:00] | Beirdo: | skating rules |
| [19:26:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: you really should learn now that you are close to Canada :) |
| [19:27:00] | kormoc: | sure, I'm learning snowboarding and diving at the momenet, but I'll throw that in there too sometime :) |
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| [19:27:00] | Beirdo: | it's a whole lot cheaper |
| [19:27:00] | Beirdo: | once you own skates (of course) |
| [19:27:00] | jonK: | after skating on ice rollerblading never feels natural |
| [19:27:00] | jonK: | way too much friction |
| [19:27:00] | Beirdo: | jonK: get the right rollerblades, it gets really close though |
| [19:28:00] | Beirdo: | I like the 70s style rollerskates better though |
| [19:28:00] | Beirdo: | screwing around on those was always fun |
| [19:28:00] | jonK: | i love snowboarding — I dropped out of high school and spent the next two years working at a ski resort — skiied//boarded 5–6 days a week for two winters and worked during the evenings — it was fantastic |
| [19:29:00] | Beirdo: | ahhh, jonK is an ex-stoner... |
| [19:29:00] | ** Beirdo chuckles ** | |
| [19:29:00] | kormoc: | ex? |
| [19:29:00] | kormoc: | :P |
| [19:29:00] | jonK: | never really a stoner... |
| [19:29:00] | Beirdo: | wow, most boarders seem to be |
| [19:29:00] | jonK: | the sweet draw of lady alcohol has always been enough |
| [19:30:00] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [19:30:00] | jonK: | i figured out in high school that although beer hwas hard to come buy, hops, yeast, malt and water was not |
| [19:30:00] | Beirdo: | and caffeine |
| [19:30:00] | jonK: | so started brewing beer |
| [19:30:00] | jonK: | never stopped |
| [19:30:00] | Beirdo: | caffeine is a jealous bitch of a drug |
| [19:30:00] | Beirdo: | I prefer to make wine |
| [19:31:00] | jonK: | of course after a couple years and looked around and wondered whether this is what i wanted to do for 40 years... ran my ass right to college |
| [19:31:00] | Beirdo: | way less finnicky |
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| [19:31:00] | BMOC: | hi |
| [19:31:00] | Beirdo: | oh oh |
| [19:31:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:32:00] | Beirdo: | what's up, BMOC? |
| [19:32:00] | Beirdo: | I need a cigar |
| [19:32:00] | Beirdo: | hmph |
| [19:32:00] | BMOC: | i understand with ivtv you have to do something funny in the order you have the modules loaded, before having mythtvbackend start, to avoid channel problems, or something |
| [19:32:00] | BMOC: | i thought i fixed that, but apparently i didn't... |
| [19:32:00] | Beirdo: | never heard that before |
| [19:33:00] | reel: | start ivtv before backend but i'd think that is expected |
| [19:33:00] | BMOC: | wait, maybe it's that you have to start mythtvbackend first... |
| [19:33:00] | BMOC: | i'd read it on a post, and i noticed the problem |
| [19:33:00] | Beirdo: | if you have your modules setup right, starting the backend should modprobe the ivtv drivers for you |
| [19:34:00] | ** GreyFoxx blasts some Velvet Acid Christ out of his pc to annoy his coworkers ** | |
| [19:34:00] | BMOC: | Beirdo: it doesn't seem like the ivtv drivers load automatically for most people |
| [19:34:00] | Beirdo: | kernel module auto-loading |
| [19:34:00] | BMOC: | from what i've read |
| [19:34:00] | Beirdo: | it's always worked for me |
| [19:34:00] | reel: | i had to force my ivtv to load in startup |
| [19:34:00] | BMOC: | reel: before or after mythtvbackend? |
| [19:34:00] | sphing: | i force mine to load also.. never even tried without it |
| [19:34:00] | reel: | before they backend |
| [19:34:00] | BMOC: | sphing: you have 150? |
| [19:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | me too |
| [19:34:00] | sphing: | 250 |
| [19:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | I load msot modules manually |
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| [19:34:00] | reel: | i have 150mce |
| [19:34:00] | BMOC: | me too |
| [19:34:00] | BMOC: | 150mce |
| [19:35:00] | BMOC: | well, it keeps recording my programs on default channel, unless i fiddle with it after reboot |
| [19:35:00] | reel: | do you have the full channel list downloaded? |
| [19:35:00] | Beirdo: | you people must not have modules setup right, they should be able to autoload the first time something touches /dev/video0 |
| [19:35:00] | BMOC: | yeah, that's not the problem, i think it's with the order |
| [19:35:00] | BMOC: | alias char-major-81 videodev |
| [19:35:00] | BMOC: | alias char-major-81–0 ivtv |
| [19:35:00] | BMOC: | what else do you need beirdo? |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | think that's it |
| [19:36:00] | BMOC: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewforum.php . . . afb1310947ff |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | maybe an options ivtv line |
| [19:36:00] | BMOC: | see, other people have the problem too |
| [19:36:00] | BMOC: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1147 |
| [19:36:00] | BMOC: | a whole thread on it |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | good for it :) |
| [19:37:00] | Beirdo: | I don't read forums, I have enough other stuff to do with my time... |
| [19:37:00] | Beirdo: | like working :) |
| [19:37:00] | ** CyberKnet doesn't recall if he has to futz with ivtv before loading the backend ** | |
| [19:37:00] | reel: | BMOC: did you try using a simpler program to change channels? |
| [19:37:00] | Beirdo: | mindless chatter's one thing, reading pages and pages of forums... yikes |
| [19:37:00] | BMOC: | i can chang w/ptune-ui.pl |
| [19:38:00] | CyberKnet: | I dont think that I do. |
| [19:38:00] | sphing: | BMOC why dont you just load ivtv on startup? |
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| [19:38:00] | BMOC: | i have been doing that |
| [19:38:00] | jonK: | yeah, chatting about hockey; takin' no sass about canada... |
| [19:38:00] | BMOC: | but i'm having the channel problem |
| [19:38:00] | BMOC: | it's recording shows to channel 4, no matter what |
| [19:38:00] | Beirdo: | jonK: damn straight :) |
| [19:38:00] | reel: | i wonder if you set the default channel as if you had a cable box |
| [19:39:00] | reel: | i forget where that option is, perhaps capture card in setup |
| [19:39:00] | BMOC: | but if after i boot, i tinker with mplayer/ptune-ui |
| [19:39:00] | sphing: | BMOC... straight analog cable right.. .not box? |
| [19:39:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, check your startup channel |
| [19:39:00] | BMOC: | it works |
| [19:39:00] | BMOC: | sphing: yes |
| [19:39:00] | sphing: | can you manually change channels? |
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| [19:39:00] | BMOC: | through what? |
| [19:39:00] | sphing: | myth |
| [19:39:00] | sphing: | like watch live tv.. and hit up |
| [19:40:00] | BMOC: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=827 |
| [19:40:00] | BMOC: | i am having that same problem:) |
| [19:40:00] | BMOC: | so i don't know:) |
| [19:40:00] | Beirdo: | a simple yes or know would suffice |
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| [19:40:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:40:00] | BMOC: | reel, does livetv work for you? |
| [19:40:00] | reel: | yes |
| [19:40:00] | BMOC: | are you on fc3? |
| [19:40:00] | reel: | i think there was a prebuffering pause problem recently fixed in CVS |
| [19:40:00] | reel: | yes |
| [19:40:00] | sphing: | BMOC: you're having a choppy problem or a channel changing |
| [19:41:00] | BMOC: | sphing: i am having both, since moving to 150mce, but the choppy problem seems limited to fc3 |
| [19:41:00] | BMOC: | reel: oh, there was? |
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| [19:41:00] | reel: | i believe i read that somewhere |
| [19:41:00] | sphing: | no.. BMOC i had the problem on gentoo |
| [19:41:00] | jonK: | right now, live tv causes the backend to crash, which i find odd as it can record just ifne |
| [19:41:00] | BMOC: | oh |
| [19:41:00] | jonK: | on my system |
| [19:41:00] | BMOC: | sphing: and how did you fix it? |
| [19:41:00] | sphing: | BMOC: i'm using a m10k |
| [19:41:00] | sphing: | i had to enable hardware |
| [19:42:00] | BMOC: | "enable hardware"? |
| [19:42:00] | sphing: | the c3 just wasn't fast enough to process the stream through software |
| [19:42:00] | sphing: | hardware encoding my board... |
| [19:42:00] | sphing: | what board do you have? |
| [19:42:00] | BMOC: | 150mce |
| [19:42:00] | sphing: | *video |
| [19:42:00] | BMOC: | radeon 9600se |
| [19:43:00] | sphing: | you in x now? |
| [19:43:00] | BMOC: | yes |
| [19:43:00] | sphing: | Xorg or XFree? |
| [19:43:00] | BMOC: | xorg |
| [19:43:00] | sphing: | grep -i "xvmc" /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| [19:44:00] | BMOC: | nothing |
| [19:44:00] | rjune: | BMOC: ati drivers? or opensource? |
| [19:44:00] | sphing: | BMOC: post your Xorg.0.log on pastebin |
| [19:44:00] | BMOC: | rjune: opensource, cuz i need xinerama support(or merged fb) |
| [19:44:00] | BMOC: | sphing: nothing |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | there is no xvmc for ati |
| [19:44:00] | sphing: | yes there is |
| [19:44:00] | sphing: | cvs |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | cvs what? |
| [19:45:00] | BMOC: | libXvMCW-0.9.3–1.1.rhfc3.at |
| [19:45:00] | BMOC: | that's what the rpm is called on my machine |
| [19:45:00] | BMOC: | but Xorg log has no mention of what you asked |
| [19:45:00] | sphing: | Beirdo: I think you're right |
| [19:45:00] | Beirdo: | it supports nvidia |
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| [19:47:00] | BMOC: | ... |
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| [19:48:00] | BMOC: | reel: do you know where you read about the pre-buffer thing? |
| [19:48:00] | reel: | i think it was in here but i am not sure |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | if it was checked into CVS, look at the mythtv-commits mailing list archives |
| [19:49:00] | BMOC: | This describes how to build and use MythTv with the Unichome Projects viaXvMC interface library which provides a Hardware MPEG decoding implementation for the Via Unichrome (CLE266) chipset. Note that this relies on a few new Unichrome features which are under active development at the moment, so this could easily be out of date |
| [19:49:00] | BMOC: | hmm |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | that has all the checkin messages |
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| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | right |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | that's the other chipset that has xvmc support |
| [19:49:00] | Beirdo: | but no ATI |
| [19:50:00] | BMOC: | that via it's referring to is on motherboard, i thought? |
| [19:50:00] | BMOC: | isn't it a motherboard chipset? |
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| [19:51:00] | sphing: | no |
| [19:51:00] | sphing: | actually i should shutup i'm not sure |
| [19:52:00] | BMOC: | i' |
| [19:52:00] | BMOC: | am pretty sure that's motherboard related |
| [19:52:00] | sphing: | what mobo do you have |
| [19:52:00] | BMOC: | 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8375 [KM266/KL266] Host Bridge |
| [19:52:00] | BMOC: | 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] |
| [19:52:00] | Sake__: | wooh, getting my tranny serviced for reconfiguring someone's router |
| [19:52:00] | Sake__: | lol |
| [19:52:00] | sphing: | yea... i'm pretty sure you can use it then |
| [19:52:00] | Sake__: | wait, thats only like 80 bucks |
| [19:53:00] | BMOC: | sphing: and what would that do, make decoding better? |
| [19:53:00] | GeckoFiend: | sphing he said he was using an m10k that means it's an epia system |
| [19:53:00] | BMOC: | GeckoFiend: i didn't say that |
| [19:53:00] | BMOC: | someone else did |
| [19:53:00] | GeckoFiend: | alll |
| [19:53:00] | GeckoFiend: | ahhh misread it |
| [19:53:00] | BMOC: | :) |
| [19:53:00] | sphing: | BMOC: your on a mini-itx? |
| [19:53:00] | sphing: | o i see |
| [19:54:00] | sphing: | GeckoFiend: I'm on a M10k |
| [19:54:00] | BMOC: | sphing: you talking about my case? |
| [19:54:00] | GeckoFiend: | yeah I see that now. |
| [19:54:00] | sphing: | BMOC I think you can use unichrome.. i'm checking |
| [19:54:00] | BMOC: | it |
| [19:54:00] | BMOC: | is a compaq computer, because it was such an awesome deal:) |
| [19:54:00] | BMOC: | $400 a year or so ago for a fast machine and flat panel monitor |
| [19:54:00] | BMOC: | and then i stuck a radeon 9600 in there |
| [19:55:00] | GeckoFiend: | BMOC stick an nvidia card in it |
| [19:55:00] | sphing: | CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800 and PM800/CN400 |
| [19:55:00] | sphing: | is what is supported |
| [19:55:00] | BMOC: | i guess i have km266? |
| [19:55:00] | Sake__: | um, do i want to use basic sarge, or sarge with Xorg from sid? |
| [19:56:00] | Sake__: | (reinstalling one last time if i need to get rid of the sid packages) |
| [19:57:00] | sphing: | http://www.divx.com/hardware/detail.php?p=49& . . . ert=ev1700tv how awesome would that be? |
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| [20:01:00] | Sake__: | heh, guess i'll give her a try =) |
| [20:01:00] | BMOC: | On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 10:35:21PM -0500, David Engel wrote: > Recently, I've been having increasing problems with my main Myth box > due to the infamous IVTV DMA on VIA chipsets issue |
| [20:01:00] | BMOC: | what issue is that? |
| [20:02:00] | sphing: | BMOC is this front/back end |
| [20:02:00] | djperegrine: | Hey any one have any luck with any flash player? all the ones I tried , the sound lags |
| [20:02:00] | sphing: | or just back |
| [20:02:00] | djperegrine: | I got it working in mythtv even |
| [20:02:00] | djperegrine: | its pretty spiffy |
| [20:02:00] | BMOC: | sphing: is what? |
| [20:02:00] | BMOC: | http://www.poptix.net/ivtv/Sep-2003/msg00050.html |
| [20:02:00] | djperegrine: | but the sound lag sucks :( |
| [20:03:00] | sphing: | BMOC is this the frontend and backend |
| [20:03:00] | sphing: | or just backend? |
| [20:03:00] | BMOC: | is what frontend or backend? |
| [20:03:00] | sphing: | the machine |
| [20:03:00] | BMOC: | it's both |
| [20:03:00] | BMOC: | :) |
| [20:03:00] | sphing: | BMOC a quick fix would be to lower the bitrates |
| [20:03:00] | BMOC: | i don't think so |
| [20:04:00] | BMOC: | i think i tried that |
| [20:04:00] | sphing: | worked for me |
| [20:04:00] | BMOC: | the bitrates are pretty low now |
| [20:04:00] | BMOC: | what is this guy talking about here.. |
| [20:04:00] | BMOC: | My logs seemed to indicate the ivtv driver was not getting a DMA completion interrupt so I thought of enabling the interrupt-unmask option in hdparm |
| [20:04:00] | sphing: | is your ivtv working properly |
| [20:05:00] | sphing: | like through mplayer |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | ah dammit! dammit! I can't install puzzlepirates on my work box?! |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | bah! |
| [20:05:00] | BMOC: | mplayer /dev/video0 |
| [20:05:00] | BMOC: | that works |
| [20:05:00] | jonK: | ha! |
| [20:05:00] | sphing: | change channels |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | likely a good thing |
| [20:05:00] | sphing: | and see if everything is working |
| [20:05:00] | sphing: | puzzle pirates? |
| [20:06:00] | jonK: | i tried that lastnight, holy moly would that suck 90% of my time if i started using it |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | jonK: ain't it the truth |
| [20:06:00] | BMOC: | yeah, it works, like always:) |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | sphing: you can figure out the URL |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:06:00] | jonK: | (10% left for mandatory drinking and sleeping) |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | put www in front, com after |
| [20:07:00] | Beirdo: | gotta log in as admin, eh?! |
| [20:07:00] | Beirdo: | up yours, security policy! |
| [20:08:00] | jonK: | i put cyberpatrol on workbox — damnit WE WILL HAV PRODUCTIVITY! |
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| [20:08:00] | Beirdo: | Ubisoft just did a retail release |
| [20:08:00] | Beirdo: | oh GOD help us |
| [20:08:00] | jonK: | retail release of? |
| [20:08:00] | kormoc: | oh GOD help us |
| [20:08:00] | Beirdo: | puzzle pirates |
| [20:08:00] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [20:09:00] | jonK: | oh boy |
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| [20:09:00] | jonK: | so all i have to do is not buy it |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | dunno why I'd buy it though |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | muhahah |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | they let you CHEAT at hearts? |
| [20:10:00] | jonK: | it's why I have not bought world of warcarft |
| [20:10:00] | Beirdo: | now that's cool |
| [20:10:00] | Beirdo: | well, you can download it for free |
| [20:10:00] | Beirdo: | so why would I pay ubisoft for a CD? |
| [20:10:00] | Beirdo: | they likely include a discount on the first year subscription |
| [20:11:00] | Beirdo: | but I'm doing pay-as-you-go (kinda optional payments) |
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| [20:12:00] | BMOC: | man, what is this stuff i keep reading about pvr+ via conflicts |
| [20:12:00] | BMOC: | or ivtv +via conflicts |
| [20:13:00] | Beirdo: | old via mobos are shit, always were, always will be |
| [20:13:00] | Beirdo: | don't use em |
| [20:13:00] | Beirdo: | via chipset that is, not epia |
| [20:13:00] | BMOC: | mine's not old |
| [20:14:00] | Beirdo: | there are a pile of Via chipsets that are absolute shit |
| [20:14:00] | BMOC: | hmm |
| [20:14:00] | Beirdo: | if you are using one of them, I wish you lots of luck with ivtv |
| [20:15:00] | BMOC: | how do i figure out about mine? |
| [20:16:00] | BMOC: | hmm, this one person said to make it stable with mythtv do not let the bios control irq resources |
| [20:16:00] | BMOC: | that should be done if it's set to no pnp, right/ |
| [20:16:00] | BMOC: | ? |
| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | could be |
| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | I avoid Via chipsets completely, safest option |
| [20:17:00] | BMOC: | i've been playing the tv fine for 30 minutes on mplayer, it always works on that. |
| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | look up whether or not your chipset is on the shitlist |
| [20:17:00] | BMOC: | look up on what? that's what i was wondering |
| [20:17:00] | BMOC: | and is my chipset km266? |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | look up on the internet |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | duh |
| [20:18:00] | BMOC: | i have been, dude |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | that's likely old enough to be on the bad list |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | look for via DMA problems, etc |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | we went over all this before... |
| [20:18:00] | BMOC: | oh wait, it doesn't say specifically which one i have |
| [20:18:00] | BMOC: | Beirdo: i've done that... as i've said... |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | lspci should |
| [20:19:00] | BMOC: | 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8375 [KM266/KL266] Host Bridge |
| [20:19:00] | BMOC: | 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | specific enough |
| [20:19:00] | BMOC: | is it km266? kl266? pro266? |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | to google with ye |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | search for all of them |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | how would I know? |
| [20:21:00] | sphing: | anyone got myth to work on a tivo? |
| [20:21:00] | BMOC: | VIA ProSavageDDR KM266 |
| [20:21:00] | BMOC: | that's the chipset |
| [20:21:00] | sphing: | ok so google it |
| [20:21:00] | BMOC: | is that the MOTHERBOARD chipset, or the integrated video card chipset? |
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| [20:22:00] | BMOC: | yeah, i googled it a while back, as i said:) |
| [20:22:00] | BMOC: | didn't see anything indicating anything special |
| [20:22:00] | sphing: | BMOC: no one would know that unless they had your board |
| [20:22:00] | sphing: | find out what that chipset does |
| [20:23:00] | Beirdo: | ahhh, boxed set buyers get special sword/hat that you can't "normally" get |
| [20:23:00] | BMOC: | km266 mythtv doesn't really show anything, on google, that indicate any specific problem |
| [20:23:00] | Beirdo: | I said DMA, not MythTV |
| [20:24:00] | Beirdo: | the issue with those chipsets is with DMA sucking |
| [20:24:00] | BMOC: | yeah, which i tried a while back |
| [20:24:00] | reel: | the issue with via chipsets is not limited to linux |
| [20:24:00] | BMOC: | no real info saying any specific problems w/it |
| [20:24:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, the issue is the chipset sucks major ass |
| [20:24:00] | Beirdo: | whether BMOC's is a bad one or not, I dunno |
| [20:24:00] | reel: | i think i recall hearing that they improved over time but i have been avoiding them |
| [20:25:00] | BMOC: | well, i don't know if it matters, but the pvr works fine in windows |
| [20:25:00] | Beirdo: | the AMD64 ones are OK last I heard |
| [20:25:00] | Beirdo: | I'll still stick with nforce* |
| [20:25:00] | reel: | the early ones played poorly with many other devices. i remember having a sb live value in a via kt133 motherboard. it would have some issue on the bus causing it to pop every so often |
| [20:26:00] | BMOC: | dma for the hard drive is turned on, and seems to be working |
| [20:27:00] | BMOC: | sphing: where does the idea that i'm even having dma problems come from? i've been watching it on mplayer fine for quite some time |
| [20:28:00] | sphing: | no idea... i have no idea about this problem |
| [20:28:00] | BMOC: | i don't even know what problem we're talking about now:O |
| [20:29:00] | BMOC: | since i never even said i'm having a dma problem:) |
| [20:29:00] | sphing: | what is your problem |
| [20:29:00] | BMOC: | 2005-06–14 14:29:48.247 prebuffer wait timed out.. |
| [20:29:00] | BMOC: | 2005-06–14 14:29:48.247 waiting for prebuffer.. |
| [20:29:00] | BMOC: | on livetv |
| [20:30:00] | sphing: | have you lowered your bitrates? |
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| [20:30:00] | BMOC: | they are lowered |
| [20:30:00] | sphing: | what are they? |
| [20:30:00] | BMOC: | it works every once in a while |
| [20:30:00] | BMOC: | until i reboot, which seems to be the same for other people on the thread |
| [20:31:00] | sphing: | ... what are your bitrates |
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| [20:31:00] | BMOC: | yeah, i'm trying to see |
| [20:31:00] | BMOC: | 2200/3000 |
| [20:32:00] | BMOC: | watch, i'll change it to 1000, it will be the same |
| [20:32:00] | sphing: | does myth do closec captions? |
| [20:32:00] | BMOC: | as far as i know, yes |
| [20:32:00] | sphing: | how? |
| [20:32:00] | BMOC: | i think i've turned it on before |
| [20:32:00] | BMOC: | yeah, it does the same thing at 1000kb/s |
| [20:32:00] | sphing: | lower your max br |
| [20:32:00] | hadeees: | so besides the pvr350 what produces the best tv-out |
| [20:33:00] | BMOC: | 1000/1000 does the same thing |
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| [20:33:00] | BMOC: | it's something else, for sure |
| [20:33:00] | sphing: | show me the thread again |
| [20:34:00] | BMOC: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=827 |
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| [20:38:00] | sphing: | BMOC: are you using tv and monitor? |
| [20:38:00] | BMOC: | just 2 monitors |
| [20:39:00] | sphing: | does it do that with one monitor? |
| [20:39:00] | BMOC: | the livetv thing? |
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| [20:39:00] | sphing: | the pausin |
| [20:39:00] | sphing: | g |
| [20:39:00] | BMOC: | let me see |
| [20:39:00] | BMOC: | yup |
| [20:40:00] | BMOC: | both monitors |
| [20:40:00] | sphing: | you disable xinerama? |
| [20:40:00] | sphing: | in X |
| [20:40:00] | BMOC: | i think i'm using mergedfb no |
| [20:40:00] | BMOC: | w |
| [20:40:00] | BMOC: | i am not sure i'm even using xinerama |
| [20:40:00] | sphing: | find out |
| [20:41:00] | BMOC: | grep xinerama /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| [20:41:00] | BMOC: | nothing there |
| [20:41:00] | sphing: | grep -i xinerama |
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| [20:42:00] | BMOC: | wow it's johnnyquest! |
| [20:42:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ya |
| [20:43:00] | BMOC: | sphing: nothing so far |
| [20:43:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i feel dumb, i have mythtv installed and i ran the setup, i got the backend started but, i dont think i set the ip addresses up correctly |
| [20:43:00] | sphing: | what ar eyou trying to do.. have myth on one monitor.. ? |
| [20:44:00] | BMOC: | sphing: it does that, i'm not trying to do it:) |
| [20:44:00] | sphing: | disable 1 monitor |
| [20:44:00] | sphing: | make sure it works with just one monitor befor eyou try to doing funky stuff |
| [20:44:00] | BMOC: | sphing: that's not what the problem is, it started when i switched to pvr-150mce |
| [20:44:00] | BMOC: | on my old card, it never had that problem |
| [20:44:00] | BMOC: | of course, my old card had no hardware encoding:) |
| [20:45:00] | sphing: | is the harward encoding enable on the pvr? |
| [20:45:00] | BMOC: | yup |
| [20:45:00] | BMOC: | it works fine |
| [20:45:00] | sphing: | you're sure |
| [20:45:00] | BMOC: | well, aside from the channel thing sometimes. |
| [20:46:00] | sphing: | i'm out of ideas |
| [20:46:00] | JohnnyQuest: | how do i set up my ip in the setup if i only have one mythbox? |
| [20:46:00] | JohnnyQuest: | do i just set up both ips the same? |
| [20:46:00] | sphing: | you mean your backend/frontend are the same machine? |
| [20:47:00] | BMOC: | yes |
| [20:47:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ya |
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| [20:47:00] | sphing: | johnny it should work default |
| [20:47:00] | sphing: | but in the setup |
| [20:47:00] | sphing: | have the ip be 127.0.0.1 |
| [20:47:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ok |
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| [20:49:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ok, now how do i set my permissions on my /video/recordings directory so my mythtv user can write to it? |
| [20:50:00] | j-rod: | chown -R mythtv /video |
| [20:50:00] | JohnnyQuest: | thank you j-rod for your howto with fc3 |
| [20:51:00] | j-rod: | soon to be fc4... :) |
| [20:51:00] | JohnnyQuest: | chown: changing ownership of `/video': Operation not permitted |
| [20:51:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: gonna be FC4 before saturday? =) |
| [20:51:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i think my partitions may be messed up... |
| [20:53:00] | sphing: | JohnnyQuest: are you root? |
| [20:54:00] | JohnnyQuest: | (hangs head down) |
| [20:55:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i still think my partitions are messed up... |
| [20:56:00] | JohnnyQuest: | that did work(signing in as root) |
| [20:56:00] | j-rod: | CyberKnet, not likely before Saturday, but sometime soon... |
| [20:56:00] | j-rod: | really, its pretty much just s/FC3/FC4/g |
| [20:56:00] | CyberKnet: | yeah |
| [20:56:00] | j-rod: | but do need to test, and I may switch from apt to smart |
| [20:56:00] | j-rod: | (which would make everything work for i386 and x86_64 |
| [20:56:00] | j-rod: | ) |
| [20:57:00] | CyberKnet: | rather stupid question here WRT FC2 and atrpms. mind if I ask? |
| [20:57:00] | rjune: | ask away |
| [20:58:00] | JohnnyQuest: | when im in konqueror, if i click on my directorys, i get an error, 'mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda2 is already mounted on/ mount failed |
| [20:58:00] | CyberKnet: | I thought I could get the kernel source for my current kernel via "apt source kernel". upon discovering I couldn't, I promptly started wondering why, and noticed that there wasn't anything in the atrpms repository any more for kernel |
| [20:58:00] | CyberKnet: | for FC2 |
| [20:58:00] | CyberKnet: | do you have any insight into that? |
| [20:58:00] | sphing: | what kernel do you have? |
| [20:59:00] | CyberKnet: | right now I am running 2.6.10–1.771_FC2 |
| [21:00:00] | j-rod: | The kernel comes from Red Hat |
| [21:00:00] | j-rod: | not ATrpms |
| [21:00:00] | CyberKnet: | was it always such? |
| [21:01:00] | BMOC: | oooh, fc4 is available |
| [21:01:00] | j-rod: | in the FC1 days, ATrpms offered kernels with a lot more functionality |
| [21:01:00] | j-rod: | 99% of it is in the stock FC 2.6 kernels now |
| [21:01:00] | Beirdo: | the FC1 days ain't over |
| [21:01:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [21:01:00] | j-rod: | okay, when FC1 was the latest FC release then. :) |
| [21:02:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:02:00] | CyberKnet: | does atrpms ivtv rpm support the -500? |
| [21:02:00] | j-rod: | I *think* apt-get kernel-source still worked on FC2 |
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| [21:02:00] | j-rod: | for FC3 and later, apt-get source kernel |
| [21:02:00] | JohnnyQuest: | what does this mean? |
| [21:02:00] | j-rod: | or rather, apt-get source kernel=<kernel version> |
| [21:02:00] | JohnnyQuest: | Unable to open lockfile! |
| [21:02:00] | JohnnyQuest: | video/recordings/ /nfslockfile.lock: No such file or directory |
| [21:03:00] | j-rod: | seems whatever user you're running as still doesn't have r/w on /video/recordings/ |
| [21:03:00] | JohnnyQuest: | well, that would be root... |
| [21:03:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: I think it doesn't. I'll check again. |
| [21:03:00] | JohnnyQuest: | now |
| [21:03:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i had it on mythtv |
| [21:04:00] | JohnnyQuest: | neither are working.. |
| [21:04:00] | Beirdo: | JohnnyQuest: you using NFS? |
| [21:04:00] | JohnnyQuest: | no |
| [21:04:00] | Beirdo: | OK |
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| [21:04:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: I think I will have to apt-get install kernel-sourcecode |
| [21:04:00] | j-rod: | oh yeah |
| [21:04:00] | Beirdo: | if you were, you have to be careful with mapping root between the machines properly, that's all |
| [21:04:00] | j-rod: | that too |
| [21:04:00] | JohnnyQuest: | what is nfs? |
| [21:05:00] | Cardoe: | god I hate my web host. |
| [21:05:00] | JohnnyQuest: | just to be sure im not using it |
| [21:05:00] | sphing: | network filesystem |
| [21:05:00] | JohnnyQuest: | then no |
| [21:05:00] | JohnnyQuest: | this is all one mythbox, frontend and backend |
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| [21:05:00] | sphing: | are any of your directories actually stored on another computer |
| [21:05:00] | hadeees: | Cardoe, so switch |
| [21:05:00] | j-rod: | brute force method: chmod -R 777 /video/ |
| [21:05:00] | BMOC: | hmm, ivtv said something about "encoder firmware may be buggy, try a newer" |
| [21:05:00] | BMOC: | you can upgrade the firmware on 150mce? |
| [21:05:00] | j-rod: | ignore that firmware message |
| [21:05:00] | JohnnyQuest: | what does BMOC stand for? |
| [21:05:00] | BMOC: | big man on campus |
| [21:05:00] | BMOC: | haha |
| [21:06:00] | hadeees: | i always see that firmware thing |
| [21:06:00] | JohnnyQuest: | that was a show at my school |
| [21:06:00] | Cardoe: | hadeees: I plan on it |
| [21:06:00] | JohnnyQuest: | that was on tv.. |
| [21:06:00] | BMOC: | so there is not a newer firmware? |
| [21:06:00] | JohnnyQuest: | still get the error |
| [21:06:00] | j-rod: | there might be |
| [21:06:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i think i messed up my partitions... |
| [21:06:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: Is atrpms ivtv far behind in terms of releases that support the pvr-500, or will I want to be compiling ivtv from source? |
| [21:06:00] | JohnnyQuest: | when installing... |
| [21:06:00] | j-rod: | JohnnyQuest, does /video/recordings exist? |
| [21:07:00] | j-rod: | atrpms builds new ivtv versions fairly regularly |
| [21:07:00] | JohnnyQuest: | /video does, not sure about/recordings |
| [21:07:00] | j-rod: | just need at-testing enabled to get the latest ones |
| [21:07:00] | hadeees: | okay so on a frontend do I need a live tv buffer? |
| [21:07:00] | j-rod: | mkdir /video/recordings |
| [21:07:00] | hadeees: | i have a seprate backend |
| [21:07:00] | j-rod: | chown mythtv /video/recordings |
| [21:08:00] | sphing: | hadeees: all files are stored on the backend |
| [21:08:00] | reel: | has anyone in here used ndiswrapper to get wireless cards working? |
| [21:08:00] | j-rod: | fook, I can't even get to atrpms right now... |
| [21:09:00] | reel: | j-rod: there has been some odd IP blocking going on recently. we have been using a .fr mirror |
| [21:09:00] | j-rod: | at least, not from work |
| [21:09:00] | CyberKnet: | I was just browsing the website |
| [21:09:00] | j-rod: | yeah, I can get there from home |
| [21:09:00] | hadeees: | hmm so how should i partion my 40 Gig hard drive to be used on a frontend |
| [21:09:00] | CyberKnet: | so I'll want the 0.3.x series with the 500? |
| [21:09:00] | j-rod: | was doing a dist-upgrade yesterday, I think that got me blocked |
| [21:09:00] | j-rod: | CyberKnet, yeah |
| [21:09:00] | JohnnyQuest: | still get the error |
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| [21:10:00] | CyberKnet: | any issues running non (150|500) hardware alongside with them? |
| [21:10:00] | BMOC: | ok, livetv is working now |
| [21:10:00] | BMOC: | that's how insane this is |
| [21:10:00] | BMOC: | after my reboot |
| [21:10:00] | j-rod: | some issues w/the 350 running along side the others for some people |
| [21:10:00] | hadeees: | CyberKnet, someone said before that their second tuner in the pvr500 didn't work when their pvr350 was in |
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| [21:10:00] | ** j-rod points at jonK ** | |
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| [21:10:00] | ** CyberKnet pointsat jonK too ** | |
| [21:11:00] | CyberKnet: | I have a couple of m179's that I'd like to run alongside the 500 for a few days, but if I cant then it's no big deal. |
| [21:11:00] | JohnnyQuest: | how can i check if my partions are correct? |
| [21:11:00] | hadeees: | so anyway i got 40 gigs for my mythtv frontend and i can't think of how to partion it? seems like i only need a root |
| [21:11:00] | j-rod: | was actually in on jonK's box myself, can't figure out why the hell it isn't working. I had a 500 and a 350 in the same box and they worked fine. |
| [21:11:00] | j-rod: | hadeees, yeah, really doesn't matter a whole lot |
| [21:11:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, you were the one who asked me about buying those m179's no? |
| [21:11:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: wow. dodged a bullet there. I almost bought one of those cards from him. |
| [21:11:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: sure was. |
| [21:12:00] | j-rod: | m179s along side 500 might be an issue, mchou had some problems with that combo |
| [21:12:00] | hadeees: | j-rod, did jonk try diffrent pci slots? |
| [21:12:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, still planing on that? :P |
| [21:12:00] | j-rod: | that was my latest suggestion (different pci slots) |
| [21:12:00] | j-rod: | CyberKnet, I think the cards are just fine. |
| [21:12:00] | sphing: | that worked for me amazingly rnough |
| [21:12:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: well there's no way I'll need four tuners =) |
| [21:12:00] | j-rod: | if he pulls the 350, the 500 is fine |
| [21:12:00] | sphing: | for like 2 weeks my 250 would not work... |
| [21:12:00] | BMOC: | sphing: you see what i put? |
| [21:13:00] | JohnnyQuest: | is there a way to check if my partions are correct? |
| [21:13:00] | BMOC: | livetv is working now |
| [21:13:00] | BMOC: | after i rebooted with sticking ivtv stuff in mythtvbackend script |
| [21:13:00] | sphing: | BMOC: yea.. i'm just not sure thats a "fix" if it will happen again later |
| [21:13:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, when ya thinking you'd be ready to sell? |
| [21:13:00] | hadeees: | j-rod, i bet whats going on with jonks is two things going for the same resource, did he turn on ivtv debug to 255 |
| [21:13:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: only Beirdo needs four analog tuners... and Lord only knows why. |
| [21:13:00] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [21:13:00] | sphing: | BMOC: hmm you weren't loading ivtv before myth? |
| [21:13:00] | Beirdo: | hehhe |
| [21:13:00] | Beirdo: | eat me |
| [21:13:00] | BMOC: | i was |
| [21:13:00] | BMOC: | i have no idea, it's very sporadic |
| [21:14:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: I'm gonna try to get the 500 working this weekend. I'm not in a hurry to sell, but again I'm also not in a hurry to hold on to them once it is working. |
| [21:14:00] | BMOC: | Beirdo: do you know anything about the upgrade firmware message? |
| [21:14:00] | hadeees: | i have 3 and i would like more, its just so when you are recording like 3 shows at once you can watch one |
| [21:14:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: if that makes sense... |
| [21:14:00] | Beirdo: | I have no idea what you are talking about |
| [21:14:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, so likly in a week or so? |
| [21:14:00] | j-rod: | hadeees, it seems to be something with saa7127 trying to load on the 500's first tuner, despite being told not to |
| [21:14:00] | sphing: | CyberKnet: so you'd have 3 tuners o nthe same machine? |
| [21:14:00] | j-rod: | probably should crank up the debug level... |
| [21:14:00] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, and how much were they sgain? :P |
| [21:14:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: in all probability. But if you're not ready by then then I'm not worried. I'm not about to sell them out from under you. |
| [21:14:00] | BMOC: | it says "firmware may be buggy, upgrade to blah" |
| [21:15:00] | BMOC: | when ivtv is loaded |
| [21:15:00] | kormoc: | yay |
| [21:15:00] | reel: | hadeees: can't you just watch one on the tv or do you not have a tv? |
| [21:15:00] | CyberKnet: | sphing: four tuners. three cards. |
| [21:15:00] | sphing: | ugh... thats sick |
| [21:15:00] | SarahEmm: | BMOC: mine does too, but then works fine |
| [21:15:00] | sphing: | how many frontends? |
| [21:15:00] | hadeees: | reel, i have a TV but you can't do pausing and what not |
| [21:15:00] | j-rod: | hm, suggests upgrading now... that's new... |
| [21:15:00] | CyberKnet: | sphing: You know, I just got through saying that I'm not keeping two cards... |
| [21:15:00] | j-rod: | (maybe) |
| [21:16:00] | BMOC: | i didn't know if there's an upgrade available |
| [21:16:00] | reel: | ah, that stuff isn't as important for me. i'd rather be rid of commercials and watch late. the only thing i am worried about is two shows being on at once |
| [21:16:00] | sphing: | CyberKnet: ahh |
| [21:17:00] | reel: | i'll end up just watching one and suffering through commercials |
| [21:17:00] | hadeees: | reel, you save time if you wait for the commericals to be cut out, it only takes 20mins to watch a 30 min show |
| [21:18:00] | CyberKnet: | sphing: but Beirdo on the other hand has four tuners and has no intentions of letting any go. |
| [21:18:00] | reel: | yep. i love it. it is just so rare that there are 2 non-repeat shows on that i want to watch |
| [21:18:00] | Beirdo: | I have 3 |
| [21:18:00] | sphing: | Beirdo: how fast is your backend? |
| [21:18:00] | Beirdo: | put down the sheep :) |
| [21:18:00] | Beirdo: | it's also the frontend |
| [21:19:00] | Beirdo: | and it's Sempron 2800 |
| [21:19:00] | Beirdo: | not like you need that much power for hardware encoders |
| [21:19:00] | ** SarahEmm on a 1.7 celeron which is maxed out for live tv ** | |
| [21:20:00] | reel: | i'd worry about other limitations when recording on all 3 at once |
| [21:20:00] | JohnnyQuest: | im still getting that same error j-rod |
| [21:20:00] | reel: | like writing to storage |
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| [21:21:00] | j-rod: | ll -d /video |
| [21:21:00] | j-rod: | ll -d /video/recordings |
| [21:21:00] | j-rod: | df -h |
| [21:23:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ilesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| [21:23:00] | JohnnyQuest: | /dev/hda2 9.7G 5.2G 4.0G 57% / |
| [21:23:00] | JohnnyQuest: | /dev/hda1 99M 14M 80M 15% /boot |
| [21:23:00] | JohnnyQuest: | none 379M 0 379M 0% /dev/shm |
| [21:23:00] | JohnnyQuest: | /dev/hda5 28G 3.6M 28G 1% /video |
| [21:26:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i found another source for pvr-150/pvr-500 for drivers |
| [21:26:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i dont know anything about it tho... |
| [21:26:00] | j-rod: | JohnnyQuest, ll /video/ ? |
| [21:27:00] | JohnnyQuest: | total 0 |
| [21:27:00] | JohnnyQuest: | drwxrwxrwx 2 mythtv mythtv 1 Jun 14 16:08 recordings |
| [21:27:00] | j-rod: | hm |
| [21:27:00] | JohnnyQuest: | what does that mean? |
| [21:27:00] | j-rod: | means r/w access should be wide open |
| [21:28:00] | j-rod: | restart the backend, see if that helps |
| [21:28:00] | JohnnyQuest: | /video/recordings/ /nfslockfile.lock: No such file or directory |
| [21:28:00] | JohnnyQuest: | and that means? |
| [21:28:00] | JohnnyQuest: | that i cant write there? |
| [21:28:00] | j-rod: | you get that when restarting? |
| [21:28:00] | JohnnyQuest: | what is that file? |
| [21:28:00] | JohnnyQuest: | no |
| [21:28:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i get that now |
| [21:28:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ill restart |
| [21:28:00] | JohnnyQuest: | and see what happens |
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| [21:29:00] | j-rod: | bbl |
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| [21:34:00] | JohnnyQuest: | same error still |
| [21:35:00] | reel: | JohnnyQuest: after you left, j-rod said bbl |
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| [21:35:00] | JohnnyQuest: | aww |
| [21:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | :( |
| [21:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | o well |
| [21:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i finally got mythtv installed |
| [21:36:00] | twisted_one: | Johnny Quest Thinks We're Sellouts |
| [21:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i just cant get mythbackend running |
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| [21:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ya he does |
| [21:36:00] | JohnnyQuest: | someone who got it.. |
| [21:36:00] | sphing: | how do you enable commercial skipping? |
| [21:37:00] | JohnnyQuest: | does anyone else here use fc3? |
| [21:37:00] | xris: | JohnnyQuest: yes |
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| [21:38:00] | JohnnyQuest: | if you are in knoqueror, and click on your partions, do any of htem bring up errors? |
| [21:38:00] | JohnnyQuest: | or is that somethign wrong with how my drive is patitioned/mounted? |
| [21:38:00] | xris: | I don't use konqueror (or kde, for that matter) |
| [21:38:00] | Beirdo: | damn... |
| [21:39:00] | ** Beirdo is falling asleep ** | |
| [21:39:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ok... |
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| [21:39:00] | Beirdo: | screw this, I'm going home |
| [21:39:00] | xris: | didn't even know you could browse partitions with konq |
| [21:39:00] | JohnnyQuest: | what do you ues, that way i can use it to see if i get errors there |
| [21:39:00] | JohnnyQuest: | its the only way i have found to... |
| [21:39:00] | Beirdo: | everyone else left an hour ago for various lame reasons |
| [21:39:00] | JohnnyQuest: | is there another way? |
| [21:42:00] | sphing: | its scary how cheap you can get a celeron for |
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| [21:43:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i found k6's today for 10 bux |
| [21:43:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i got a dvd rom for 10 bux today |
| [21:44:00] | hadeees: | wow you got ripped off |
| [21:45:00] | JohnnyQuest: | naw |
| [21:45:00] | JohnnyQuest: | it was new |
| [21:45:00] | sphing: | drive? |
| [21:45:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ya |
| [21:45:00] | JohnnyQuest: | drive |
| [21:46:00] | sphing: | ... obviously ... |
| [21:46:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i didnt buy the k6s |
| [21:46:00] | sphing: | the proc or everything? |
| [21:46:00] | JohnnyQuest: | the proc and heatsink |
| [21:46:00] | sphing: | eh... |
| [21:46:00] | sphing: | finding a board would be a hassle |
| [21:46:00] | hadeees: | so i am thinking of writing something that will parse tv.com |
| [21:46:00] | hadeees: | used to be called tvtome |
| [21:46:00] | JohnnyQuest: | they had some boards there |
| [21:47:00] | JohnnyQuest: | they were for like 10 bux a peice also |
| [21:47:00] | JohnnyQuest: | those were used |
| [21:48:00] | sphing: | $35 for 3200 DDR |
| [21:48:00] | sphing: | 3200 512 DDR |
| [21:48:00] | JohnnyQuest: | wow |
| [21:48:00] | hadeees: | no name brand though right? |
| [21:48:00] | sphing: | off pricewatch |
| [21:48:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i spent 100 for a gig of dual channel corsair at 2.0 cas |
| [21:49:00] | JohnnyQuest: | my suggestion is dont buy cheap ram... |
| [21:49:00] | JohnnyQuest: | it goes bad.. |
| [21:49:00] | hadeees: | i think for memory you should go with name brand if you can because they won't replace it |
| [21:49:00] | JohnnyQuest: | and corrupts files |
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| [21:49:00] | hadeees: | otherwise |
| [21:49:00] | sphing: | i've never had a problem with cheap ram |
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| [21:49:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i have had corrupt kingston ram and no name brand |
| [21:49:00] | hadeees: | sphing, your lucky then |
| [21:49:00] | JohnnyQuest: | the kingston gave me free ram |
| [21:49:00] | hadeees: | i build alot of computers though |
| [21:49:00] | sphing: | l33t hax0r |
| [21:49:00] | JohnnyQuest: | the other one, no good |
| [21:49:00] | hadeees: | i have like 5 now |
| [21:50:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i have 4 |
| [21:50:00] | sphing: | 6 here ;) |
| [21:50:00] | j-rod: | about 20 here |
| [21:50:00] | JohnnyQuest: | im 18 |
| [21:50:00] | j-rod: | well, at home |
| [21:50:00] | j-rod: | 150 at work |
| [21:50:00] | hadeees: | j-rod, 20? |
| [21:50:00] | sphing: | i lie... i have fucked up ram |
| [21:50:00] | j-rod: | yup |
| [21:50:00] | hadeees: | why do you need that much |
| [21:50:00] | sphing: | jrod 150 at work... |
| [21:50:00] | sphing: | your a sysadmin.. |
| [21:50:00] | j-rod: | I don't |
| [21:50:00] | hadeees: | so what do they do |
| [21:50:00] | LedHed: | I have 10 |
| [21:50:00] | sphing: | those don't count |
| [21:50:00] | j-rod: | Only 12 are up and running in the house right now |
| [21:50:00] | j-rod: | two router/firewall machines |
| [21:50:00] | sphing: | seti? |
| [21:50:00] | j-rod: | file server |
| [21:50:00] | j-rod: | build server |
| [21:51:00] | j-rod: | myth mbe |
| [21:51:00] | hadeees: | i got like one file server, a web server, a router, a mythtv frontend, mythtv backend, and a laptop |
| [21:51:00] | j-rod: | three remote frontends |
| [21:51:00] | j-rod: | my linux workstation |
| [21:51:00] | j-rod: | my mac workstation |
| [21:51:00] | hadeees: | i guess that is 6 |
| [21:51:00] | j-rod: | my windows box |
| [21:51:00] | j-rod: | my laptop, my wife's laptop |
| [21:51:00] | j-rod: | and a few test machines |
| [21:51:00] | JohnnyQuest: | jrod, any ideas for my problem? |
| [21:51:00] | hadeees: | j-rod, get one really fast machine and use vmware server |
| [21:52:00] | j-rod: | nope |
| [21:52:00] | hadeees: | thats what i do for testing |
| [21:52:00] | j-rod: | I have vmware too |
| [21:52:00] | FITH: | 1 sun, 3 RS/6000's, 8 x86's, 1 AMD64.... jeez... I need a life :-/ |
| [21:52:00] | j-rod: | but vmware can't directly access hardware |
| [21:52:00] | ** sphing rubs his balls... i am man ** | |
| [21:52:00] | hadeees: | j-rod, i think it can if you set it up right and second how offten do you need that |
| [21:52:00] | j-rod: | often |
| [21:52:00] | j-rod: | and no it can't |
| [21:53:00] | j-rod: | (most hardware, anyhow — it can for crap like USB) |
| [21:53:00] | hadeees: | i think server does it |
| [21:53:00] | hadeees: | vmware server isn't like normal vmware |
| [21:53:00] | hadeees: | vmware server is the base os |
| [21:53:00] | hadeees: | in a way |
| [21:54:00] | j-rod: | ah, sorry, was thinking vmware workstation |
| [21:54:00] | LedHed: | 4 frontends, 1 backend, 1 Win Domain Controller, 1 Firewall (smoothwall), 3 Workstations. (I also have 4 others that only run when the renderfarm is in use) |
| [21:55:00] | hadeees: | LedHed, why in the world do you have a win domain controller |
| [21:55:00] | LedHed: | I use windows |
| [21:55:00] | hadeees: | yeah but there are other options then that even with windows |
| [21:56:00] | hadeees: | like linux |
| [21:56:00] | hadeees: | can't samba do that |
| [21:56:00] | LedHed: | Samba doesnt do Group Policy |
| [21:56:00] | j-rod: | its a pita to set up under linux |
| [21:56:00] | hadeees: | eh i run all linux all the time |
| [21:56:00] | LedHed: | also the renderfarm wouldnt run under linux till just rescently |
| [21:56:00] | j-rod: | Linux and Mac OS X here |
| [21:57:00] | LedHed: | I have some appz that are Win Only |
| [21:57:00] | LedHed: | 3dsMax & Autocad |
| [21:57:00] | hadeees: | j-rod, i hope to be liux and Mac OSx |
| [21:57:00] | hadeees: | LedHed, what version of autocad? |
| [21:57:00] | LedHed: | In the process of re-training myself for Maya |
| [21:57:00] | hadeees: | there is limited support under Crossover office |
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| [21:57:00] | LedHed: | hadeees, 2006 |
| [21:57:00] | hadeees: | LedHed, ouch why do you use that, use like 200 |
| [21:57:00] | hadeees: | 0 |
| [21:58:00] | LedHed: | I beta test for Autodesk |
| [21:58:00] | hadeees: | hasn't changed that much |
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| [21:58:00] | CyberKnet: | hadeees: presumably because he has a license for 2006 =) |
| [21:58:00] | LedHed: | yup |
| [21:58:00] | LedHed: | subscription |
| [21:58:00] | hadeees: | LedHed, well autocad 2000 is almost ready to run under crossover office |
| [21:58:00] | hadeees: | i miss autocad |
| [21:58:00] | hadeees: | i used it all the time in high school |
| [21:58:00] | ** CyberKnet used to hate administering the computer labs at the university because of the damn autocat dongles ** | |
| [21:59:00] | CyberKnet: | s/cat/cad/ |
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| [21:59:00] | j-rod: | and sphing, yeah, I'm a sysadmin |
| [21:59:00] | LedHed: | no more dongles. Macrovision or FlexLM now |
| [21:59:00] | j-rod: | soon to have something like 1000 machines under my purview... :) |
| [21:59:00] | CyberKnet: | those dongles were a PITA |
| [21:59:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i use autocad all the time |
| [21:59:00] | hadeees: | j-rod, have fun |
| [21:59:00] | hadeees: | thats why i am a dev |
| [21:59:00] | j-rod: | (including 5x 128-node clusters) |
| [22:00:00] | JohnnyQuest: | u want a copy of it hadees? |
| [22:00:00] | LedHed: | LOL |
| [22:00:00] | hadeees: | JohnnyQuest, no thanks |
| [22:00:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ok |
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| [22:00:00] | hadeees: | couldn't run it anyway |
| [22:00:00] | hadeees: | and i could get it in like 2 hours anyway |
| [22:00:00] | JohnnyQuest: | ok |
| [22:00:00] | CyberKnet: | JohnnyQuest: I'm sure you didn't just offer ti pirate software in here, did you? |
| [22:00:00] | LedHed: | I wish there was a good CAD package for Linux |
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| [22:00:00] | JohnnyQuest: | no |
| [22:00:00] | JohnnyQuest: | not at all |
| [22:00:00] | LedHed: | Autocad use to run on Unix |
| [22:00:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: yeah :| |
| [22:00:00] | hadeees: | LedHed, really? i didn't know that |
| [22:01:00] | LedHed: | r12 |
| [22:01:00] | CyberKnet: | JohnnyQuest: Make sure you keep not offering to. It's hard enough to ensure nobody thinks Myth is doing something illegal without having to fight piracy as well. |
| [22:01:00] | LedHed: | Autodesk climbed in bed with Microsoft about 1996 and dumped the Unix suport |
| [22:01:00] | ** j-rod loves clusters! ** | |
| [22:01:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: I wish I knew how to use CAD period. =) |
| [22:02:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: go you =) |
| [22:02:00] | LedHed: | Its easy, If you can use Linux you can do CAD! |
| [22:02:00] | ** CyberKnet imagines clustered OC48's plugged into his box ** | |
| [22:02:00] | j-rod: | heh |
| [22:02:00] | hadeees: | CyberKnet, bah you worry to much plus there is little diffrence in the end result between what MythTV does and what TV piracey is. |
| [22:02:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: maybe. I had a crappy windows CAD program. maybe TurboCad 8 I think. |
| [22:02:00] | j-rod: | myrinet and inifiniband between the cluster nodes, but not sure what the incoming pipe is... |
| [22:03:00] | CyberKnet: | hadeees: My myth box is *just* a vcr. that's it. |
| [22:03:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: myrinet is a wonder =) |
| [22:03:00] | LedHed: | If you apply your self for a day or so, you can learn 75% of Autocad. |
| [22:03:00] | j-rod: | infiniband is even better |
| [22:03:00] | hadeees: | CyberKnet, yeah but what i am saying is like say i Record the O.C. and someone downloads a copy of the O.C. we both end up with the same show with out commericals |
| [22:03:00] | CyberKnet: | j-rod: and used in so many places for so many things. it's as versatile as hypertransport. |
| [22:04:00] | CyberKnet: | hadeees: yes, but you did it legally. |
| [22:04:00] | j-rod: | http://linuxnetworx.com/evolocity/ |
| [22:04:00] | CyberKnet: | hadeees: they took programming from a source tehy had no right to. |
| [22:04:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: You'll have to write a tutorial on it some time for me =) |
| [22:05:00] | hadeees: | CyberKnet, i am not saying you are incorrect but i think that there is a case that there is really no diffrence between recording a show and downloading one |
| [22:05:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: I tried to render a boring old cog in TurboCad... it looked like ass =) |
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| [22:06:00] | JohnnyQuest: | im having trouble, my mythfrontend cant connect to the mythbackend server (they are the same machine) |
| [22:06:00] | hadeees: | CyberKnet, so then the question is could you replace a show you recorded with a show you downloaded |
| [22:06:00] | ** j-rod can't wait to start his new job... ** | |
| [22:06:00] | rtsai: | hadeees: the difference is that most broadcasts say that "this broadcast may not be distributed ... blah blah". In both cases you have a copy of the show, but in the myth case, you haven't done any distribution |
| [22:06:00] | CyberKnet: | hadeees: the answer to that is categorically no. |
| [22:06:00] | ** j-rod has to mention it to someone at least once every hour ** | |
| [22:06:00] | LedHed: | I have a very off topic question. I'm having a house built and I have all the Networking, CATV, Telephone run to my Office Closet. WHere I plan to run my Servers, Backend, Firewall, Renderfarm. Its a 9'x2.5' closet. Should I put in a bathroom exhaust fan, or go with a portable AC? |
| [22:07:00] | CyberKnet: | hadeees: it's not even a grey area. |
| [22:07:00] | rtsai: | j-rod: that you like your new job, or that downloading is illegal? :) |
| [22:07:00] | j-rod: | 13 days and closing |
| [22:07:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: I'd go with the AC. |
| [22:07:00] | j-rod: | heh. new job. ;) |
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| [22:08:00] | j-rod: | so has the fact that Daniel Robbins (Gentoo founder) took a job at Microsoft already been discussed to death here? |
| [22:08:00] | rtsai: | meh |
| [22:08:00] | hadeees: | CyberKnet, it is all sort of moot anyway because once MythTV can always record at a level equal to that or above that of the shows that can be downloaded then everyone will just use mythtv |
| [22:08:00] | rtsai: | one less gentoo ricer |
| [22:08:00] | CyberKnet: | hadeees: it comes down to "does the person who gaev this to me have the right to givei t to me?" of the answer is "no" then the answer to "can I have this?" is also "no". |
| [22:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | j-rod: I haven't seen it mentioned here yet :) |
| [22:08:00] | j-rod: | he's the HEAD ricer! |
| [22:08:00] | rtsai: | d00d! |
| [22:08:00] | CyberKnet: | wow. that's some BAD typing =) |
| [22:09:00] | hadeees: | CyberKnet, but what if you already had it |
| [22:09:00] | LedHed: | I cant fond an In-Wall AC small enough, but there is a portable at Costco for $530. Anyone know if the Portable AC units are Noisy? |
| [22:09:00] | rtsai: | He must have mAd USE_FLAGS!!!!!! |
| [22:09:00] | CyberKnet: | hadeees: "Does the person who gave this to me have the right to give it to me?" |
| [22:09:00] | hadeees: | CyberKnet, those are kind of things that can get laws struct down in cort |
| [22:09:00] | CyberKnet: | hadeees: No, ergo No. |
| [22:09:00] | j-rod: | He describes his new job as "helping Microsoft to understand Open Source and community-based projects". |
| [22:09:00] | JohnnyQuest: | they are noisy |
| [22:09:00] | rtsai: | hadeees: that's like a murderer saying "he was going to die someday anyway, so if I killed him, the end result is the same". |
| [22:10:00] | JohnnyQuest: | but they work well |
| [22:10:00] | JohnnyQuest: | but they have to blow the hot air out the window |
| [22:10:00] | j-rod: | opensolaris.org open for business... |
| [22:10:00] | hadeees: | rtsai, no it would be more like i already killed him so i kill him the result is the same |
| [22:11:00] | JohnnyQuest: | anyone know the fix for this? i have a high pitched sound from live tv on my pvr-150 |
| [22:11:00] | hadeees: | listen i have a degree in Criminal Justice and I know the law states that it is illegal but what i am saying is the law might not hold up under all possible circumstances |
| [22:11:00] | CyberKnet: | hadeees: That is true. The law is only there at the whim of the people. |
| [22:12:00] | hadeees: | CyberKnet, well alot of the law is based on intent |
| [22:12:00] | CyberKnet: | hadeees: if the people decide the law is bunk, then the law will not be law for long. |
| [22:12:00] | JohnnyQuest: | whim of the coorporations.. |
| [22:12:00] | hadeees: | CyberKnet, thats why untill recently it wasn't a crime if you didn't make money off it |
| [22:12:00] | CyberKnet: | hadeees: yes, but that would be going into matters far too deep for this channel =) |
| [22:13:00] | CyberKnet: | JohnnyQuest: The corporations cannot vote. |
| [22:13:00] | rtsai: | I don't believe strongly enough in my supposed right to distribute my MythTV recordings to waste time in court when I could be watching my MythTV recordings. |
| [22:13:00] | CyberKnet: | JohnnyQuest: It is the whim of the people. |
| [22:13:00] | hadeees: | CyberKnet, well i think it does have to do with MythTV some what because sharing shows with friends should be okay |
| [22:13:00] | JohnnyQuest: | no but they can fund who you vote for... |
| [22:13:00] | CyberKnet: | JohnnyQuest: who *you* vote for. |
| [22:13:00] | rtsai: | If you believe so, then go for it. |
| [22:13:00] | JohnnyQuest: | and fund commercials and propaganda |
| [22:13:00] | CyberKnet: | if you dont vote for them, they can't be elected. |
| [22:13:00] | CyberKnet: | it is at the whim of the people. |
| [22:13:00] | hadeees: | CyberKnet, except they give money to both sides |
| [22:14:00] | JohnnyQuest: | some people dont have enough of a brain to make that descision but they can still vote.. |
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| [22:15:00] | hadeees: | CyberKnet, what i think the law should be is you can give away unmodified TV shows, so they would still have commericals, then i could just use mythtv to cut them out ; ) |
| [22:16:00] | JohnnyQuest: | lol |
| [22:16:00] | JohnnyQuest: | i think it doesnt matter, you dont get much of a say in it |
| [22:16:00] | hadeees: | hey it is fair |
| [22:16:00] | hadeees: | JohnnyQuest, says you |
| [22:16:00] | hadeees: | i am not to lie and cheat my way into the head of the FCC |
| [22:16:00] | hadeees: | then make it a free for all |
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| [22:17:00] | JohnnyQuest: | anyone here use a pvr-150? |
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| [22:17:00] | kormoc: | nope, not a single person, totally a flop card, not a single one sold. |
| [22:18:00] | JohnnyQuest: | lol |
| [22:18:00] | JohnnyQuest: | anyone having a high pitched hum come from it? |
| [22:19:00] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: isn't it fun? =) |
| [22:19:00] | kormoc: | indeed |
| [22:20:00] | SarahEmm: | i'm using a pvr-500 |
| [22:20:00] | CyberKnet: | people ask the darnedest things. |
| [22:20:00] | SarahEmm: | it's just two -150s mainly |
| [22:21:00] | SarahEmm: | what's the issue JohnnyQuest? |
| [22:21:00] | CyberKnet: | SarahEmm: He has a high pitched hum coming from it |
| [22:21:00] | SarahEmm: | oh. |
| [22:21:00] | SarahEmm: | okay |
| [22:21:00] | SarahEmm: | can't help much w/ that |
| [22:21:00] | JohnnyQuest: | u get that to? |
| [22:21:00] | CyberKnet: | =) |
| [22:21:00] | SarahEmm: | like, audible from the card? |
| [22:21:00] | JohnnyQuest: | no |
| [22:21:00] | JohnnyQuest: | lke speakers |
| [22:21:00] | SarahEmm: | i or in the sound output? |
| [22:21:00] | SarahEmm: | oh |
| [22:21:00] | SarahEmm: | i have no idea |
| [22:21:00] | ** CyberKnet imagines his AthlonXP whistling away ** | |
| [22:21:00] | JohnnyQuest: | what drivers do you have? |
| [22:21:00] | kormoc: | could be bad power |
| [22:21:00] | SarahEmm: | me? |
| [22:22:00] | SarahEmm: | ivtv 0.3.6g |
| [22:22:00] | kormoc: | could be interference from something else |
| [22:22:00] | JohnnyQuest: | well dvds and cds sound fine |
| [22:22:00] | SarahEmm: | it could be a driver or card issue too i suppose |
| [22:22:00] | JohnnyQuest: | so it would have to be on the way to here.. |
| [22:22:00] | kormoc: | could be your ears going bad at exactly the wrong times. |
| [22:22:00] | SarahEmm: | JohnnyQuest: hrm. and that's just digital.. |
| [22:22:00] | SarahEmm: | anyone else running -150s? |
| [22:22:00] | SarahEmm: | or -500s? |
| [22:22:00] | LedHed: | I get a low buzz from mine when its run thru a KVM with Audio |
| [22:23:00] | JohnnyQuest: | kvm? |
| [22:23:00] | SarahEmm: | any of that would affect all audio tho |
| [22:23:00] | SarahEmm: | not just PVR-xxx audio |
| [22:23:00] | LedHed: | Keyboard Video Mouse |
| [22:23:00] | LedHed: | Switch |
| [22:23:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: that may be power related. getting some interference. |
| [22:23:00] | CyberKnet: | at the .... 50hz? ... band... |
| [22:23:00] | JohnnyQuest: | how do i see which drivers i installed? |
| [22:23:00] | LedHed: | I chalk it up to being a shitty switch |
| [22:23:00] | SarahEmm: | JohnnyQuest: what distro? |
| [22:23:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: essentially the same thing, yes =) |
| [22:24:00] | SarahEmm: | JohnnyQuest: or did you buidl from source? |
| [22:24:00] | LedHed: | too bar really, it cost me $140 |
| [22:24:00] | LedHed: | bad |
| [22:24:00] | j-rod: | modinfo ivtv |
| [22:24:00] | CyberKnet: | LedHed: ouch. |
| [22:24:00] | LedHed: | I think its made by Avocent |
| [22:25:00] | j-rod: | (might give ver, can't recall) |
| [22:25:00] | LedHed: | or something like that |
| [22:25:00] | j-rod: | Avocent AV200R KVM switches are NICE |
| [22:25:00] | j-rod: | but a wee bit more than $140 |
| [22:25:00] | LedHed: | mine is a Avocent 4 port USB KVM with Audio |
| [22:25:00] | LedHed: | all is good except Audio |
| [22:26:00] | j-rod: | AV200R is a 16-port IP-enabled KVM |
| [22:26:00] | LedHed: | now you are talkin real $$$$ |
| [22:26:00] | j-rod: | can cascade them together, get console access remotely, etc |
| [22:26:00] | ** Beirdo adds to the heat load for the AC in the apartment ** | |
| [22:26:00] | j-rod: | client even works under Linux |
| [22:26:00] | j-rod: | yeah, a few grand per switch and all the dongles |
| [22:27:00] | LedHed: | overkill for my 10 computers |
| [22:27:00] | j-rod: | much nicer than having to go down 29 floors and back up 4 to get a console here. :) |
| [22:27:00] | LedHed: | I bet |
| [22:27:00] | j-rod: | (also great for late-night stuff) |
| [22:27:00] | j-rod: | (from home) |
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| [22:28:00] | LedHed: | I just use SSH and Remote Desktop |
| [22:28:00] | j-rod: | that doesn't exactly work if you need to get into the machine's bios. :) |
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| [22:29:00] | LedHed: | true |
| [22:30:00] | LedHed: | except in windows you can use can make bios changes while in the GUI |
| [22:30:00] | j-rod: | also doesn't work if the machine isn't on the network for some reason |
| [22:30:00] | LedHed: | true again |
| [22:30:00] | j-rod: | hanging on boot, etc |
| [22:30:00] | LedHed: | but why have a computer not on the network? |
| [22:30:00] | LedHed: | ah |
| [22:31:00] | j-rod: | they should be on the network, but sometimes things go wrong. :) |
| [22:31:00] | LedHed: | thats really a cool switch |
| [22:31:00] | j-rod: | indeed |
| [22:31:00] | SarahEmm: | or if you have eighteen firewalls between you and it |
| [22:31:00] | LedHed: | no doubt there |
| [22:31:00] | LedHed: | though 18 firewalls is a bit extreme |
| [22:31:00] | SarahEmm: | it was an exageration :) |
| [22:32:00] | LedHed: | Even when I was in the AirForce I never saw more than 3 firewalls between networks |
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| [22:33:00] | j-rod: | I believe we have 4 layers from the outside world to our prod machines |
| [22:33:00] | XAD|off: | ehh... serial consoles to one machine and remote controlled power.. works fine even with the boot menu if you get bad kernel compiles... |
| [22:33:00] | j-rod: | we have serial consoles for our Sun and Cisco gear |
| [22:34:00] | CyberKnet: | later. |
| [22:34:00] | ** SarahEmm has seen 4 or 5 layers in some stuff at work.. ** | |
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| [22:34:00] | Johnny_Quest: | the system froze up :( |
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| [22:34:00] | SarahEmm: | Johnny_Quest: have you tried moving it to another PCI slot? |
| [22:34:00] | Johnny_Quest: | no |
| [22:34:00] | Johnny_Quest: | ill try that |
| [22:34:00] | SarahEmm: | anyone else here have hum issues with -150s or -500s? |
| [22:34:00] | SarahEmm: | that'd be what i'd try |
| [22:35:00] | Johnny_Quest: | ok |
| [22:35:00] | SarahEmm: | it could well be a driver thing too |
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| [22:35:00] | SarahEmm: | i dunno |
| [22:35:00] | Cardoe: | SarahEmm: do you hum to yours? |
| [22:35:00] | Johnny_Quest: | how do i check which driver i have? |
| [22:35:00] | j-rod: | I believe its a driver thing, I've heard it mentioned |
| [22:35:00] | j-rod: | on the ivtv list |
| [22:35:00] | j-rod: | haven't been paying attention to that list (or mythtv-users for that matter) for a while though |
| [22:35:00] | Johnny_Quest: | that problem i was having before, i had a space in mysetup.. |
| [22:35:00] | j-rod: | 3000+ unread in mythtv-users 1500 unread in ivtv-dev... |
| [22:36:00] | abarbaccia: | anybody know much about lircd and irblasters? |
| [22:36:00] | j-rod: | time to go get some actual work done... |
| [22:36:00] | j-rod: | bbl |
| [22:36:00] | Johnny_Quest: | well, im out for a bit |
| [22:36:00] | SarahEmm: | Cardoe: what? |
| [22:36:00] | SarahEmm: | i don't hum at the card.... |
| [22:36:00] | Johnny_Quest: | ill bbl, thank you for your suggestion for the pci slot sarah |
| [22:36:00] | SarahEmm: | ok, np :) |
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| [22:38:00] | Cardoe: | SarahEmm: your 150/500 |
| [22:38:00] | SarahEmm: | thanks for the help via lisa cardoe ;) |
| [22:38:00] | SarahEmm: | Cardoe: do i hum at it? huh? |
| [22:38:00] | Cardoe: | SarahEmm: no problem |
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| [22:39:00] | Kronuz: | hello |
| [22:39:00] | Cardoe: | SarahEmm: didn't know you ran Gentoo. |
| [22:39:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah, all my boxes are gentoo |
| [22:39:00] | SarahEmm: | :) |
| [22:39:00] | Cardoe: | get the full reason? |
| [22:39:00] | SarahEmm: | Cardoe: i don't hum at the card, and i have no idea if it makes a humming sound |
| [22:39:00] | SarahEmm: | yeah, i do. i'd noticed that on another machine come to think of it |
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| [22:40:00] | Cardoe: | I was just being an idiot when I asked if you hummed at it. |
| [22:40:00] | Cardoe: | since it hummed at you. |
| [22:40:00] | SarahEmm: | oh |
| [22:40:00] | SarahEmm: | i dunno if it hums at me :) |
| [22:40:00] | SarahEmm: | it hums at johnnyquest |
| [22:40:00] | SarahEmm: | it doesn't caption <HUMMING SOUND DUE TO CARD DEFECT> at any rate ;) |
| [22:41:00] | Kronuz: | GreyFoxx: have you seen those fade in/out menues in mythuitest... you know how to make the menues fade in/out in the frontend? |
| [22:41:00] | Cardoe: | hmm |
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| [22:42:00] | zacs: | is there a way to delete a commflag if it got it wrong? |
| [22:42:00] | Cardoe: | hit e |
| [22:42:00] | reel: | zacs: manually edit it |
| [22:42:00] | Cardoe: | to edit |
| [22:43:00] | ** Cardoe has to run ** | |
| [22:43:00] | zacs: | reel: awesome, thanks |
| [22:43:00] | reel: | push e then z to see the flagging, then use the arrows to move around and hit enter to set a cut point or to change a cut point when at it |
| [22:44:00] | zacs: | nice, i guess i need to get a keyboard hooked up then |
| [22:44:00] | zacs: | thanks for the help |
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| [22:45:00] | Kronuz: | are you there, GeckoFiend? |
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| [22:46:00] | GeckoFiend: | Kronuz yepper |
| [22:46:00] | Kronuz: | :) |
| [22:46:00] | Kronuz: | GeckoFiend: how do you make fading menues work in the frontend? I've been looking at the sourcecode, but I couldn't find how... |
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| [22:47:00] | GeckoFiend: | that stuff only works with the new gui stuff in libmythui. I've not really looked at it |
| [22:47:00] | GeckoFiend: | waiting on chutt to give us all marching orders |
| [22:47:00] | rjune: | who do I talk to about sending patches in? |
| [22:48:00] | GeckoFiend: | rjune send them to the dev list |
| [22:48:00] | rjune: | crud, I |
| [22:48:00] | rjune: | I have to join the list after all. |
| [22:49:00] | reel: | how do i enter into a repair mode? i fubared my startup with a bad script |
| [22:49:00] | SarahEmm: | pass "1 init=/bin/sh" |
| [22:50:00] | SarahEmm: | to the kernel |
| [22:50:00] | Kronuz: | GeckoFiend: :( ...I was trying to trace the differences, but somewhere in the middle I missed the point where the default argument (fade stuff in/out) gets overruled (I guess the frontend is using the same library as the mythuitest (the new one) |
| [22:50:00] | SarahEmm: | that'll start runlevel1 and use /bin/sh as your init |
| [22:50:00] | SarahEmm: | should let you fix stuff |
| [22:50:00] | reel: | ok thanks |
| [22:50:00] | Kronuz: | that fade in/out looks really cool :) |
| [22:51:00] | GeckoFiend: | Kronuz no the frontend doesn't us libmythui yet and hence can't fade menus |
| [22:51:00] | Kronuz: | oh |
| [22:52:00] | rjune: | KDE 3.5s new block drop in is pretty cool |
| [22:52:00] | zacs: | SarahEmm: that will mount / ro, might be better to pass in "single" |
| [22:53:00] | zacs: | of course you can always mount -oremount,rw / |
| [22:53:00] | reel: | yeah i was just about to ask about that |
| [22:53:00] | reel: | i need to delete the script |
| [22:53:00] | abarbaccia: | Okay – heres my issue – i have a serial IR blaster + hauppauge card for remote – i complied lirc and have /dev/lirc0 and /dev/ledxmit0 – i cannot get lircd working though |
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| [22:55:00] | SarahEmm: | zacs: i always just remount it heh |
| [22:55:00] | zacs: | SarahEmm: yeah, lots of people don't know how to do that though :) |
| [22:57:00] | SarahEmm: | true, sowwy :) |
| [22:58:00] | reel: | i am starting to hate this ndiswrapper software |
| [22:58:00] | reel: | i am about ready to give up trying to set up a wireless card and run a really long cable upstairs |
| [23:00:00] | Johnny_Quest: | i hum back at my card incase he wanted to know |
| [23:00:00] | SarahEmm: | lol |
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| [23:01:00] | Kronuz: | hey, GeckoFiend, who's working in the libMythUI? |
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| [23:02:00] | SarahEmm: | lol |
| [23:02:00] | SarahEmm: | oops |
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| [23:06:00] | Kronuz: | GeckoFiend: is there an architecture document about mythtv? |
| [23:07:00] | kormoc: | sure, also known as source. it's a bit technical. |
| [23:08:00] | rjune: | kormoc: slightly |
| [23:08:00] | rjune: | actually its not that bad. |
| [23:08:00] | rjune: | I've already been putzing through it |
| [23:08:00] | Kronuz: | well, source code is not bad, but I was wondering if there was an overview of the whole architecture |
| [23:09:00] | Kronuz: | like what modules there are and what files are part of what modules |
| [23:09:00] | Kronuz: | and how modules interact |
| [23:11:00] | Kronuz: | for instance, is LiveTV handled in a module or plugin-like fashion? or is it just integrated in the main code |
| [23:11:00] | XAD|off: | Kronuz, there is an overview but not that detailed... (I have been looking for one too)... http://wiki.cs.uiuc.edu/cs427/MythTV+Architecture+Overview |
| [23:12:00] | Kronuz: | XAD: thanks, I'll have a look :) |
| [23:12:00] | abarbaccia: | okay – why is it that when i go to use lirc, it dies right when i go to use it – i've had this error before and just forgot why it does this |
| [23:14:00] | GeckoFiend: | Kronuz there's a make target for docs.... |
| [23:14:00] | Kronuz: | GeckoFiend: make target? |
| [23:15:00] | Kronuz: | GeckoFiend: what do you mean? |
| [23:16:00] | GeckoFiend: | Kronuz I assumed you wanted developer documentation based on how you phrased things. |
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| [23:16:00] | Kronuz: | GeckoFiend: that's right, but what do you mean by make target for docs? |
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| [23:17:00] | GeckoFiend: | heh |
| [23:17:00] | Kronuz: | GeckoFiend: the doxygen stuff? |
| [23:17:00] | GeckoFiend: | yeah |
| [23:17:00] | Kronuz: | oh :) |
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| [23:19:00] | XAD|off: | Well, it would be nice with a an overview of the mythbackend and frontend "internal" architecture, incl. info such as how the cache file is used, buffers, ... |
| [23:20:00] | Kronuz: | yep :) |
| [23:20:00] | XAD|off: | how the plugins are connected to the rest and how they use the "display"... |
| [23:22:00] | Kronuz: | exactly, I belive not only it would make it easier for new developers to understand mythtv internals, but it would alow better understanding of the system as a whole for current developers and easier detection of bugs/improvement points |
| [23:22:00] | XAD|off: | I have a problem with buffers on my frontend and would need this type of info to debug (what is the protocol for the frontend to request data from the backend, how much data, how is forward and rewind communicated, ...) |
| [23:23:00] | XAD|off: | is the data transfered using a standard streaming protocol and if not, why?? |
| [23:24:00] | XAD|off: | so many questions, so little time... ;-) |
| [23:24:00] | SarahEmm: | Kronuz: except that it's probably constantly changing ;) |
| [23:24:00] | XAD|off: | + how is the scheduling handled... in context with the other modules... |
| [23:24:00] | XAD|off: | Sarah, the core is not changing that often, is it?? |
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| [23:25:00] | Kronuz: | I've been digging the code myself... I've spend many hours reading code to understand things that could have otherwise been understood in minutes having a document explaining stuff |
| [23:26:00] | XAD|on: | Kronuz, why don't you write it down... even if it's in note form... maybee we can start to structure it?? |
| [23:26:00] | Kronuz: | that would be good |
| [23:26:00] | XAD|on: | starting with the core stuff... |
| [23:27:00] | Kronuz: | XAD, you and I can start making a document for MythTV architecture and on the way we can begin to fully understand everything |
| [23:27:00] | Kronuz: | :) |
| [23:27:00] | XAD|on: | Kronuz, did you read the link?? |
| [23:27:00] | Kronuz: | yep |
| [23:27:00] | XAD|on: | it's sort of a starting point.. or what do you think?? |
| [23:27:00] | Kronuz: | it's more of an overview of the networking architecture of MythTV |
| [23:28:00] | Kronuz: | but yes, I guess we can start from there |
| [23:28:00] | Kronuz: | tho' I would suggest developers to consider splitting the frontend and the backend in two directories :P |
| [23:28:00] | Kronuz: | (or three if they use common stuff) |
| [23:29:00] | Chutt: | um, they are |
| [23:29:00] | rtsai: | they *are* split in two directories (actually, many directories) |
| [23:29:00] | ** rtsai defers to Chutt ** | |
| [23:29:00] | Chutt: | libmyth for the common stuff, libmythtv for the common tv related stuff, mythfrontend for, uh. the frontend |
| [23:29:00] | Kronuz: | yeah, that's the problem I saw... too many directories (and I got lost) :P |
| [23:29:00] | Chutt: | and mythbackend for the backend |
| [23:29:00] | Chutt: | how? |
| [23:29:00] | Chutt: | they're all rather simply named |
| [23:30:00] | XAD|on: | yepp but "we" (n00bs) need to know the relationship between them... |
| [23:30:00] | Chutt: | erm, just look at how they're linked |
| [23:30:00] | Kronuz: | yeah, it's not a big problem, but I mean, it could be easier so we can figure out how things are structured |
| [23:30:00] | Kronuz: | like having just mythfrontend and mythbackend directories |
| [23:31:00] | Chutt: | programs/mythfrontend |
| [23:31:00] | Chutt: | programs/mythbackend |
| [23:31:00] | XAD|on: | also you have a lot of stuff in the libs... and a map of what "programs" are using what libs would also help.. |
| [23:31:00] | Chutt: | how much simpler could it fucking be? |
| [23:31:00] | XAD|on: | Chutt... sorry but the doc we talk about is not for you... ;-) |
| [23:32:00] | Chutt: | apparently it's for people that aren't going to be contributing anything |
| [23:32:00] | rjune: | Chutt: well, you could come over to my place and explain it all over a case of beer |
| [23:32:00] | Chutt: | because if they can't figure out that the 'programs' subdirectory is for programs, well... |
| [23:32:00] | XAD|on: | Chutt you miss the point... |
| [23:32:00] | Chutt: | no, i don't |
| [23:33:00] | rjune: | Chutt: can i tell frontend to start up in the media library? |
| [23:33:00] | Kronuz: | but I mean having mythfrontend and mythbackend and inside those everything to build the backend and the frontend independtly |
| [23:33:00] | Chutt: | i don't see how the directory layout is confusing |
| [23:33:00] | Chutt: | kronuz, that would defeat the point of sharing code |
| [23:33:00] | Chutt: | rjune, nope |
| [23:33:00] | Kronuz: | not really, if you need to share common stuff, you then need a third "common" directory |
| [23:33:00] | Chutt: | kronuz, there is one |
| [23:33:00] | Chutt: | it's called 'libs' |
| [23:34:00] | XAD|on: | Kronuz, lets take the discussion of line... this discussion is useless as apparently everything is chrystal clear... |
| [23:34:00] | rjune: | Chutt: crap. that would be a good thing |
| [23:34:00] | Chutt: | rjune, why? :p |
| [23:34:00] | Kronuz: | exactly, but are things inside libs part of both the backend and the front end? |
| [23:34:00] | Chutt: | kronuz, yes, else they wouldn't be in libs |
| [23:35:00] | GeckoFiend: | Kronuz frontend code in the frontend backend code in the backend and common code in the libs |
| [23:35:00] | Chutt: | there wouldn't be a point in making something common if it weren't going to be shared, now, would there? |
| [23:35:00] | Kronuz: | I see... It's nota big deal, and I'm only suggesting what I felt is missing... but if we get a good document started then probably changing the directories won't be needed |
| [23:35:00] | Chutt: | right, but 'what you felt is missing' is entirely a problem on your end |
| [23:35:00] | XAD|on: | Well Chutt's point is if you don't know it then you aren't suppose to... ;-) |
| [23:36:00] | Chutt: | you said it should have a directory for the frontend |
| [23:36:00] | Chutt: | <gasp> there is one |
| [23:36:00] | Chutt: | you said there should be a common directory for shared code |
| [23:36:00] | Chutt: | there is one of those, too |
| [23:36:00] | rjune: | Chutt: because I could have a frontend that could only do media library stuff. aka, it doesn't need anything else |
| [23:36:00] | Kronuz: | right, 'cause as you've said so, Chutt, probably we already have a good directory structure, its just that it's unknown and a bit hard to get to new developers :) |
| [23:36:00] | Chutt: | rjune, ah, well, you could just not restart it :p |
| [23:36:00] | XAD|on: | so progfind is not in backend nor frontend... nice... |
| [23:36:00] | rjune: | ? |
| [23:36:00] | Chutt: | xad|on, no, it's not |
| [23:37:00] | Chutt: | that's a separate test program |
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| [23:37:00] | Chutt: | which you'd see if you ran it |
| [23:37:00] | XAD|on: | mythtv is also somewhere else?? |
| [23:37:00] | Chutt: | also a separate test program |
| [23:37:00] | Chutt: | which is why it's a separate directory |
| [23:37:00] | XAD|on: | OK, so these all could be in a "test" map?? |
| [23:38:00] | Chutt: | no, they couldn't |
| [23:38:00] | Chutt: | then people like you wouldn't be able to find them |
| [23:38:00] | XAD|on: | as they aren't normally needed?? |
| [23:38:00] | Chutt: | rjune, if you don't restart the frontend, it doesn't matter where it starts at :p |
| [23:38:00] | XAD|on: | but why would I need it if I only run frontend and backend?? |
| [23:38:00] | Chutt: | xad|on, why do you need the backend if all you run is the frontend? |
| [23:39:00] | rjune: | Chutt: I'm missing something. I want to start the frontend in the media library menu, you're saying it doesnt' matter, just don't restart the frontend? |
| [23:39:00] | Chutt: | rjune, oh, you want it to start in the menu? |
| [23:39:00] | Chutt: | just edit the xml files |
| [23:40:00] | Chutt: | you just can't have it start somewhere other than a menu |
| [23:40:00] | rjune: | Chutt: Ahhh, gotcha, |
| [23:41:00] | rjune: | the xml files describe the menu then, so I can recreate them at will, great |
| [23:41:00] | Chutt: | yup |
| [23:41:00] | rjune: | and I assume I can tell the frontend which xml file to use for it's main menu, ya? |
| [23:42:00] | Chutt: | the filename's fixed |
| [23:42:00] | Chutt: | mainmenu.xml |
| [23:42:00] | Chutt: | but, doesn't matter what's in that |
| [23:42:00] | rjune: | in what dir? |
| [23:42:00] | Chutt: | locate mainmenu.xml |
| [23:42:00] | Chutt: | :p |
| [23:43:00] | zacs: | i really wish lircd didn't suck ass and could just talk to the standard serial driver |
| [23:43:00] | abarbaccia: | zacs, are you trying to use an irblaster? |
| [23:44:00] | zacs: | abarbaccia: yeah, i've got one working, i'm trying to get it going on a lava pci card to control another receiver |
| [23:44:00] | zacs: | but either it doesn't like sharing irqs or it just doesnt like me |
| [23:44:00] | rjune: | Chutt: the full path is fiexed then. |
| [23:45:00] | Chutt: | no, just the filename |
| [23:45:00] | Chutt: | depending on the menu theme, it may load an alternate one |
| [23:45:00] | abarbaccia: | zacs, can you help me getting mine working – i'm having some trouble – i've gotten pretty far |
| [23:45:00] | zacs: | abarbaccia: is it just a homebrew adapter? |
| [23:45:00] | abarbaccia: | zacs, its one i bought from that site online forl ike 12 bucks |
| [23:46:00] | zacs: | ok, that's exactly what i'm using they work very well, what problem are you having? |
| [23:46:00] | abarbaccia: | well, its like this – i have lircd running, and lirc0 shows up, and everything seems fine (modules loaded and all) but its not transmitting the signal |
| [23:46:00] | abarbaccia: | i only have one serial port so i believe its com1 |
| [23:47:00] | zacs: | you have exactly the same setup as me... are you using fedora? |
| [23:48:00] | abarbaccia: | ubuntu |
| [23:48:00] | rjune: | !YAY! peace and quiet |
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| [23:50:00] | zacs: | abarbaccia: look at the links to the files i sent you |
| [23:50:00] | zacs: | those are my configs |
| [23:51:00] | abarbaccia: | zacs i think i found what the problem might be – i had the serial port wrong in my options line – i had for com2 when i was doing some testing |
| [23:51:00] | abarbaccia: | now i got it almost working and hopefully that was the only error |
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| [23:52:00] | zacs: | abarbaccia: cool |
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| [23:55:00] | abarbaccia: | zacs spoke too soon, now its not even loading the modules |
| [23:56:00] | Muxen: | How do I know if my issue is a mythtv issue or a ivtv issue? |
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| [23:56:00] | abarbaccia: | zacs options remote_serial irq=3 io=0xb000 <-- how do you know its this io address |
| [23:56:00] | zacs: | abarbaccia: that's the wrong one |
| [23:56:00] | zacs: | use the com1 one |
| [23:56:00] | zacs: | setserial /dev/ttyS0 will tell you |
| [23:57:00] | zacs: | as will dmesg | grep ttyS |
| [23:58:00] | abarbaccia: | alright just making sure – if i could get this working today that would be so awesome |
| [23:59:00] | zacs: | abarbaccia: should be able to |
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