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| [00:13:00] | Mrgoose: | how do you remove a symbolic link? |
| [00:13:00] | opello: | rm |
| [00:13:00] | Mrgoose: | i dont want to erase the directory |
| [00:13:00] | opello: | rm symlinkname will remove the symlink |
| [00:14:00] | opello: | it doesn't follow them to what they link to |
| [00:15:00] | opello: | if you're in doubt, make a dir, touch a file, make a symlink to that dir, and try it |
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| [01:01:00] | djpere_gentoo: | after I emerge ati-drivers |
| [01:02:00] | djpere_gentoo: | I have to rebuild the kernel right ? |
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| [01:06:00] | jasoncohen: | is there some option in xine to skip to the beginning of a movie without FBI warnings or other interruptions like mplayer can do? I want the menu support but most of the time I just want to watch the movie. |
| [01:07:00] | djpere_gentoo: | in mythgame how do you edit the tile of the game etc ? |
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| [01:15:00] | mchou: | hey dopester anything to report? :) |
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| [01:24:00] | mythuser: | lxgears |
| [01:24:00] | mythuser: | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| [01:24:00] | mythuser: | glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual. |
| [01:24:00] | mythuser: | still |
| [01:24:00] | twisted_one: | djpere, is that you? |
| [01:24:00] | twisted_one: | =) |
| [01:25:00] | mythuser: | :? |
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| [01:25:00] | djpere: | mybad |
| [01:25:00] | twisted_one: | there ya go |
| [01:25:00] | twisted_one: | hrmm |
| [01:25:00] | twisted_one: | opengl-update ati |
| [01:25:00] | djpere: | you emerge ati-drivers BEFORE everytime you comple right? |
| [01:25:00] | twisted_one: | no |
| [01:25:00] | twisted_one: | after =P |
| [01:25:00] | djpere: | Oh |
| [01:25:00] | twisted_one: | but thats ok |
| [01:26:00] | djpere: | oh |
| [01:26:00] | twisted_one: | emerge them now |
| [01:26:00] | twisted_one: | then run opengl-update ati |
| [01:26:00] | djpere: | yesa |
| [01:26:00] | twisted_one: | then restart X |
| [01:26:00] | twisted_one: | =) |
| [01:26:00] | djpere: | doesn't take long |
| [01:26:00] | twisted_one: | nope |
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| [01:28:00] | mythuser: | paste not disconnect :> |
| [01:28:00] | mythuser: | DOh |
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| [01:28:00] | djpere: | bash-2.05b# glxgears |
| [01:28:00] | djpere: | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| [01:28:00] | djpere: | glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual. |
| [01:29:00] | djpere: | :> |
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| [01:38:00] | mythuser: | gears work! |
| [01:38:00] | mythuser: | :D |
| [01:38:00] | mythuser: | in xorg.conf I had to load gfx |
| [01:39:00] | twisted_one: | ah, nice |
| [01:39:00] | twisted_one: | that should fix your issue |
| [01:39:00] | twisted_one: | well wait, what fps are you getting? |
| [01:40:00] | mythuser: | where deoes it say ? |
| [01:40:00] | mythuser: | oh |
| [01:40:00] | mythuser: | 216.000 FPS |
| [01:43:00] | mythuser: | Ok fullscreen works :D |
| [01:46:00] | mythuser: | Hrm |
| [01:46:00] | mythuser: | can you play flash movies in myth? |
| [01:46:00] | mythuser: | maybe via mythbrowser? |
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| [02:11:00] | aficionado: | Hi, I am trying to setup the music player on debian but when I install the mythmusic module it says that I have libfaad2–0 is missing and I can't find a package for it. Where can I find that? |
| [02:12:00] | djpere: | apt-get it ? |
| [02:12:00] | aficionado: | djpere, apt-get says it can't find libfaad |
| [02:14:00] | djpere: | its faad I think |
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| [02:15:00] | aficionado: | hmmm |
| [02:15:00] | aficionado: | djpere, can't find it :-/ |
| [02:15:00] | djpere: | :? |
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| [02:16:00] | aficionado: | hmm... looks like it's an mplayer thing :-/ |
| [02:16:00] | djpere: | isn't it part of w32codecs? |
| [02:17:00] | aficionado: | hmm.... |
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| [02:23:00] | ** djpere is writing a php script to open different media types in different players ** | |
| [02:23:00] | djpere: | well once I get swfdec working :P |
| [02:30:00] | aficionado: | so once I have everything setup, do I have to run mythfrontend in a window manager (xfce4, fvwm, etc.) or can I run it on its own |
| [02:30:00] | aficionado: | ? |
| [02:31:00] | Mrgoose: | ? |
| [02:31:00] | Mrgoose: | yes you gotta run mythfrontend in a windows manager |
| [02:31:00] | aficionado: | Mrgoose, ok, just checking :) thanks |
| [02:32:00] | LLyric: | I don't think you have to run mythfrontend in a windows manager |
| [02:32:00] | LLyric: | I wasn't |
| [02:32:00] | Mrgoose: | ha |
| [02:32:00] | Mrgoose: | umm yes you do |
| [02:32:00] | Mrgoose: | go to console |
| [02:32:00] | Mrgoose: | and type mythfrontend |
| [02:32:00] | LLyric: | X is not the same thing as a windows manager |
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| [02:32:00] | LLyric: | Sure, it has to be run in X |
| [02:32:00] | Mrgoose: | touche |
| [02:33:00] | LLyric: | But it doesn't have to have a WM |
| [02:33:00] | aficionado: | LLyric, oh, so you don't have to then? |
| [02:33:00] | LLyric: | Nope, you can set mythfrontend to *be* the WM |
| [02:33:00] | LLyric: | (which makes it unusable for anything but myth) |
| [02:33:00] | LLyric: | But that's fine for an appliance-type setup |
| [02:33:00] | LLyric: | And doesn't waste memory/resources on a WM |
| [02:33:00] | aficionado: | LLyric, I see... I am going to try that out |
| [02:33:00] | aficionado: | LLyric, yeah, thats why I was asking |
| [02:34:00] | LLyric: | I think it's covered in Jared's faq |
| [02:34:00] | aficionado: | hmm... |
| [02:35:00] | Mrgoose: | LLyric: so how do i run mythfrontend in just X? |
| [02:36:00] | aficionado: | Mrgoose, mythfrontend |
| [02:36:00] | aficionado: | ? :) |
| [02:37:00] | aficionado: | LLyric, where can I find the jared faq? |
| [02:37:00] | Mrgoose: | yes |
| [02:37:00] | Mrgoose: | if i run mythfrontend from console it says mythfrontend: Cannot connect to X server |
| [02:38:00] | LLyric: | google: jared mythtv howto |
| [02:38:00] | aficionado: | ok, thanks |
| [02:38:00] | LLyric: | Absolutely the guide to follow for myth-on-fedora http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ |
| [02:40:00] | Mrgoose: | so it cant be done |
| [02:40:00] | LLyric: | Mrgoose: you still need to start X, just not necessarily a WM |
| [02:40:00] | LLyric: | They're not the same thing |
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| [02:41:00] | Mrgoose: | hmm |
| [02:41:00] | Mrgoose: | so how do i start x without starting a wm? |
| [02:41:00] | LLyric: | Mrgoose: X is just a "program" that does video stuff like drawing boxes, and stuff; more of a library, if you want to think of it like that |
| [02:42:00] | LLyric: | The thing that draws window titles, and minimise buttons etc, is the window manager |
| [02:42:00] | Mrgoose: | i see |
| [02:42:00] | Mrgoose: | i get that part, so how would i start x without Starting a windows manager. When i type mythfrontend it says cannont connect to X server |
| [02:42:00] | LLyric: | So you need X, but not really a WM (since myth will be "full screen" and not need any of that) |
| [02:43:00] | LLyric: | Mrgoose: you configure your user X setup, instead of loading gnome or kde or something, to load mythfrontend *AS* the WM |
| [02:43:00] | Beirdo: | a windowmanager is still needed to manage the windows |
| [02:43:00] | Mrgoose: | LLyric: i see |
| [02:43:00] | Beirdo: | but not gnome/KDE which are session managers |
| [02:44:00] | LLyric: | iirc you don't even need a WM |
| [02:44:00] | Beirdo: | you do |
| [02:44:00] | Beirdo: | some shit won't work right without it |
| [02:44:00] | LLyric: | The desktop will be useless, sure, but myth doesn't need any of that |
| [02:44:00] | LLyric: | But it's easier to just use a lightweight WM (like icewm etc) |
| [02:44:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [02:44:00] | Beirdo: | which is still a windowmanager |
| [02:44:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [02:45:00] | LLyric: | I know, I said "easier" not required |
| [02:45:00] | Beirdo: | it is pretty much required |
| [02:45:00] | Beirdo: | if you ever use mythvideo, you need it |
| [02:45:00] | LLyric: | Not if you don't use your myth box for anything else. I never used mythvide (pvr 350 suxors for that, last time I tried) |
| [02:46:00] | LLyric: | My myth box is sitting my my desk in pieces, has been for six months, so I've no idea what I actually did to it |
| [02:46:00] | Beirdo: | blah blah blah :) |
| [02:46:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [02:46:00] | Beirdo: | to fully use mythtv, you need a window manager or you will almost certainly have window focus issues |
| [02:46:00] | LLyric: | Yeah, you could be right (it's been a while). A lightweight WM is no big deal anyway |
| [02:47:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [02:47:00] | Beirdo: | I use ratpoison |
| [02:47:00] | LLyric: | I use such a wm on my main workstation |
| [02:47:00] | Mrgoose: | raptpoison? |
| [02:47:00] | Mrgoose: | kde is lightweight |
| [02:47:00] | LLyric: | Mrgoose: hahahaha |
| [02:47:00] | Beirdo: | kde is NOT lightweight |
| [02:47:00] | ** LLyric uses xfce ** | |
| [02:47:00] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [02:48:00] | LLyric: | My machine boots up with it's full X running in about 120MB of ram |
| [02:48:00] | LLyric: | Which is good, because it only has 320MB :) |
| [02:49:00] | Mrgoose: | ratpoison looks pretty horrible |
| [02:49:00] | Beirdo: | how so? |
| [02:49:00] | LLyric: | I don't run anything except a autohide taskbar, and a desktop menu |
| [02:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | who cares what it looks like . All WM's are pretty much themeable, and if you are running myth you wont see it anyway |
| [02:49:00] | Beirdo: | it puts all windows fullscreen |
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| [02:49:00] | LLyric: | GreyFoxx: we were talking more generally :) |
| [02:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [02:49:00] | Beirdo: | you open a new window, it's fullscreen, with focus in the foreground |
| [02:49:00] | Beirdo: | perfect for mythtv |
| [02:50:00] | LLyric: | Well, I was |
| [02:50:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use IceWM, and it's base look is ugly, but I never run it in it's base look :) |
| [02:51:00] | twisted_one: | GreyFoxx: you got a ss of it themed well? |
| [02:51:00] | Mrgoose: | any idea why reds show up as green sometimes on my tvout? |
| [02:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | a ss? |
| [02:51:00] | Beirdo: | who needs it to look pretty to run mythtv? |
| [02:51:00] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [02:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | screenshot ? |
| [02:52:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.phaze.org/myicescreen.jpg |
| [02:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | Thats the look I usually use with it |
| [02:53:00] | Mrgoose: | xfce is nice |
| [02:53:00] | Mrgoose: | is it light weight? |
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| [02:54:00] | Beirdo: | how much memory does it use? |
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| [02:55:00] | Mrgoose: | i dunno |
| [02:55:00] | LLyric: | stuff all |
| [02:55:00] | LLyric: | I'm running it now |
| [02:55:00] | LLyric: | I used to run it on a 192MB machine, was fine |
| [02:55:00] | LLyric: | I like a minimal desktop however, maybe it's not your thing |
| [02:55:00] | LLyric: | It's rather nice |
| [02:55:00] | Mrgoose: | your running xfce? |
| [02:55:00] | LLyric: | Yup |
| [02:56:00] | Mrgoose: | cool |
| [02:56:00] | Mrgoose: | i like the looks of it |
| [02:56:00] | Beirdo: | you don't need a desktop to run myth |
| [02:56:00] | Beirdo: | myth takes the whole screen |
| [02:56:00] | LLyric: | "desktop" = the machine |
| [02:56:00] | LLyric: | workstation, if you like |
| [02:56:00] | ** LLyric ain't running myth on this machine, it's just my normal pc ** | |
| [02:56:00] | Beirdo: | then it's kinda irrelevant in this channel, no? :) |
| [02:57:00] | LLyric: | Maybe a bit – but lots of people seem to run other stuff on their myth boxes, than just appliance-stylin' |
| [02:57:00] | aficionado: | where does mythtv safe it's configuration... I have tried running mythtv-setup but it doesn't seem to be updating the user/password for mysql |
| [02:57:00] | LLyric: | aficionado: *that's* in a text file |
| [02:58:00] | LLyric: | /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [02:58:00] | LLyric: | I think |
| [02:58:00] | aficionado: | hmm.. |
| [02:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | aficionado: the myth config info is stored in the database. mysql.txt contains the database authentication info |
| [02:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | mysql.txt could be in one of main possible locations. packagers put it in various places |
| [02:59:00] | aficionado: | I see... I think I found it |
| [02:59:00] | aficionado: | thanks! |
| [03:00:00] | Mrgoose: | any idea why reds show up as green sometimes on my tvout? |
| [03:00:00] | Beirdo: | because you keep asking the same question? |
| [03:01:00] | aficionado: | lol |
| [03:02:00] | Beirdo: | maybe bad connection? xv settings? |
| [03:02:00] | Beirdo: | who knows? |
| [03:03:00] | Mrgoose: | bo knows |
| [03:05:00] | aficionado: | haha |
| [03:08:00] | aficionado: | alright, gotta go |
| [03:08:00] | aficionado: | thanks! |
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| [03:29:00] | djpere: | what would be the best way of viewing swf files? |
| [03:29:00] | twisted_one: | a web browser with the plugin for flash? |
| [03:30:00] | Quan: | in a web browser? |
| [03:30:00] | djpere: | Hrm |
| [03:30:00] | djpere: | fullscreen? |
| [03:30:00] | twisted_one: | sure |
| [03:30:00] | twisted_one: | just hit f11 |
| [03:30:00] | twisted_one: | with most browswer that is |
| [03:30:00] | djpere: | But what if i want it to be with only a remote |
| [03:30:00] | djpere: | that is the plan |
| [03:30:00] | twisted_one: | then map f11 to one of the remotes key? |
| [03:30:00] | twisted_one: | s |
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| [03:35:00] | djpere: | Do most poeple use a remote keyboard? |
| [03:35:00] | djpere: | and mouse? |
| [03:37:00] | Beirdo: | most people use what they use :) |
| [03:38:00] | Beirdo: | I doubt there's ever been a poll |
| [03:38:00] | twisted_one: | I use my ATI Remote Wonder |
| [03:38:00] | iggy: | I use Beirdo |
| [03:38:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [03:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | I use a remote, but I have a keyboard around should the need arise |
| [03:38:00] | twisted_one: | a nice wireless keyboard/mouse is nice htough. |
| [03:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | mostly for during system maintenance or rebuilds |
| [03:38:00] | Beirdo: | I use IR keyboard/mouse |
| [03:38:00] | Beirdo: | lirc can lick me |
| [03:39:00] | twisted_one: | Beirdo: you'd like that =P |
| [03:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | I agree :) |
| [03:39:00] | iggy: | the hauppauge remote can be used as a keyboard device |
| [03:39:00] | twisted_one: | Beirdo: and I dont use lirc |
| [03:39:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:39:00] | twisted_one: | I dont like lirc either |
| [03:39:00] | twisted_one: | so with a little help from GreyFoxx im using a custom kernel driver |
| [03:39:00] | iggy: | custom for what? |
| [03:39:00] | twisted_one: | GreyFoxx: speaking of which, that driver you had hosted, did you write the support for all of those other remotes? |
| [03:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | twisted_one: No |
| [03:40:00] | babyhuey: | damn it, it is still seg faulting iggy |
| [03:40:00] | twisted_one: | iggy: changed the events the kernel generates on the key pressings |
| [03:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | iggy: It was customized to add support for the niveus remote |
| [03:40:00] | iggy: | twisted_one: you can do that without hacking the module |
| [03:40:00] | GreyFoxx: | and a few other minor changes I did to it |
| [03:40:00] | twisted_one: | iggy: how? |
| [03:40:00] | iggy: | oh, that's different |
| [03:41:00] | iggy: | I thought you were using the hauppauge remote |
| [03:41:00] | twisted_one: | nope |
| [03:41:00] | iggy: | but it might still work |
| [03:41:00] | twisted_one: | how so? |
| [03:41:00] | iggy: | http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=Remotes |
| [03:42:00] | iggy: | that page tells how to setup custom mappings for the hauppauge remote |
| [03:42:00] | iggy: | so long as the input layer gives events for every button pressed on the remote, you may not have to hack the module itself |
| [03:42:00] | iggy: | which means less ongoing maintenance |
| [03:42:00] | twisted_one: | iggy: oh wel, the module is hacked and working quite well |
| [03:43:00] | twisted_one: | iggy: true |
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| [03:59:00] | twisted_one: | Does mythweb work well for everyone? |
| [04:03:00] | Beirdo: | who is "everyone"? |
| [04:04:00] | Beirdo: | ask a stupid question, you're going to get a stupid answer |
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| [04:05:00] | ChrisMacTire: | Can anyone point me to a guide on getting mythvideo to to work? |
| [04:05:00] | ananke: | ChrisMacTire : uhmm, what exactly is the issue? |
| [04:07:00] | ChrisMacTire: | Well, I go to the "Watch Videos" menu. I select a clip. Select again to start playing. It says "loading... <clip name>" then goes back to the clip page. That's it. |
| [04:07:00] | ananke: | ChrisMacTire : i usually would suggesting looking at the mythfrontend's output, and see what it was trying to execute. then try to execute that manually. see what fails |
| [04:08:00] | ananke: | most likely your external video player is not configured properly |
| [04:09:00] | ChrisMacTire: | Ananke: http://pastebin.ca/13473 That's the output. I'd like it to be more verbose but that's all I get. |
| [04:10:00] | ChrisMacTire: | ananke: We have a server with your nick at the office. <Random thought> |
| [04:10:00] | ananke: | uhmm, 'end of file' |
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| [04:11:00] | ChrisMacTire: | Happens much too quickly. The file is 3 minutes. That happens right away. No real pause. |
| [04:11:00] | ananke: | anyway, above that you should get a full command line that was used to execute it. |
| [04:11:00] | ChrisMacTire: | Nope. No command line. |
| [04:11:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: you around?? |
| [04:12:00] | ananke: | hmm, odd. let me check how mine does it |
| [04:12:00] | Beirdo: | maybe |
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| [04:12:00] | ananke: | ChrisMacTire : silly question, does mplayer work outside of myth? |
| [04:12:00] | mchou: | heh, Beirdo, cyberestore have a better eta on air2pc? |
| [04:13:00] | Beirdo: | haven't bothered to look |
| [04:13:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: delays and more delays. :( |
| [04:13:00] | Beirdo: | sure it's not cyberestore's fault |
| [04:13:00] | ChrisMacTire: | ananke: I have not tested that unfortunatly. I was hoping I could get the command line myth is using to test it outside myth. |
| [04:14:00] | mchou: | Beirdo: wasnt that thing supposed to be ready in late may? |
| [04:14:00] | Beirdo: | something like that |
| [04:14:00] | Beirdo: | whatever |
| [04:14:00] | ananke: | ChrisMacTire : on the mythvideo screen you should see file: <filename> and player: <your player and its options> |
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| [04:22:00] | ChrisMacTire: | Hold on. Is mplayer even compatible with ivtv-fb? |
| [04:22:00] | ananke: | dunno, i use x11 output |
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| [04:27:00] | ChrisMacTire: | ananke: Can you paste the command line your mythbox uses? Please. |
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| [04:29:00] | ananke: | mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet %s |
| [04:29:00] | ananke: | the rest i have set in my mplayer's config |
| [04:32:00] | blue: | When I'm trying to install, it says qmake command not found (linux noob here). |
| [04:34:00] | ananke: | blue : install qt or qt-devel, whatever is appropriate for your distro |
| [04:34:00] | ChrisMacTire: | blue: What distro? |
| [04:34:00] | ChrisMacTire: | blue: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.3 |
| [04:36:00] | blue: | Hmm, I thought I had QT installed |
| [04:36:00] | blue: | I have Suse 9.93 |
| [04:36:00] | ChrisMacTire: | blue: It's not just a question of installed. Is it in your path like they tell you in the link I posted? |
| [04:38:00] | blue: | I'll double check |
| [04:39:00] | djpere: | Do you know how to send fake keyboard inputs? |
| [04:39:00] | djpere: | via commandline |
| [04:40:00] | rtsai: | umm, if you're using the command-line won't those be real keyboard inputs? :) |
| [04:40:00] | rtsai: | maybe there is some kind of lirc program you can talk to to send stuff to another program? |
| [04:42:00] | djpere: | for scripts |
| [04:42:00] | djpere: | I want to only use the remote |
| [04:42:00] | djpere: | and have something pop up fullscreen |
| [04:42:00] | djpere: | and I don't want to map to a remote button that would suck |
| [04:43:00] | blue: | alright, so when I type: which qmake nothing shows up |
| [04:44:00] | ananke: | blue : did you check if you have qt or qt-devel installed? |
| [04:44:00] | blue: | lemme check again. |
| [04:47:00] | ChrisMacTire: | ananke: Upside is I can get mplayer to play video outside myth. Audio seems to be lost though. |
| [04:47:00] | ananke: | ChrisMacTire : mplayer -ao help :) |
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| [04:49:00] | blue: | qt3 and qt3-devel are both installed |
| [04:52:00] | blue: | Also, when I do echo $PATH, QT doesnt show up |
| [04:54:00] | ChrisMacTire: | blue: when did you install them? |
| [04:55:00] | blue: | When I installed SuSe... |
| [04:55:00] | ChrisMacTire: | Right, well, I guess you need to manually add those items to your path and environment. |
| [04:57:00] | blue: | Ok, I guess I can google that.. |
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| [05:03:00] | blue: | Great, it worked. Thanks for the help. =] |
| [05:04:00] | ChrisMacTire: | blue: No problem |
| [05:09:00] | djpere: | yay |
| [05:09:00] | djpere: | xse |
| [05:09:00] | djpere: | :D |
| [05:09:00] | djpere: | what I needed |
| [05:13:00] | djpere: | Did it! |
| [05:13:00] | djpere: | yay! |
| [05:15:00] | ChrisMacTire: | hmmm, that's anoying |
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| [05:18:00] | T0mW: | I finally got an 18.1 box put together and have a question about nuvexport vs. the database. |
| [05:20:00] | T0mW: | is there any problem running nuvexport that worked with 0.16 against the 0.18.1 data? If I tell it to remove the nuv files exported, is it going to munge the mysql database? |
| [05:20:00] | Beirdo: | backup your database and try it |
| [05:21:00] | T0mW: | heh |
| [05:21:00] | Agrajag-: | im pretty sure you'll be right as im "sort of sure" that the related tables haven't changed since 0.16 |
| [05:21:00] | Agrajag-: | :P |
| [05:22:00] | T0mW: | that is what I wanted to know. If the database tables have increased between 0.16 vs. 0.18.1 |
| [05:22:00] | T0mW: | I have no clue as to where to get the most current nuvexport anyhow |
| [05:22:00] | Beirdo: | try it and find out |
| [05:22:00] | Agrajag-: | they have.. but i dont think the recorded related ones have. or even if they have, that it will matter |
| [05:23:00] | Agrajag-: | but do what Beirdo said |
| [05:23:00] | Beirdo: | the same places as always |
| [05:23:00] | T0mW: | mine is old |
| [05:23:00] | Agrajag-: | google search would do you good T0mW |
| [05:23:00] | T0mW: | k |
| [05:23:00] | T0mW: | thanks |
| [05:24:00] | ChrisMacTire: | Hmm, for some reason mplayer and the -geometry command arent' playing well. |
| [05:25:00] | blue: | Is GLame acceptable for the lame requirement? |
| [05:26:00] | T0mW: | thing is that the older version of nuvexport had a bug in it that it would create descending chain of dirs when you exported more than one file at a time. this was instead of placing each new subdir under the common export root. I sent a patch to the original author but he never included the fix. |
| [05:26:00] | T0mW: | I'll try the 0.2 |
| [05:26:00] | Beirdo: | T0mW: I'm sure it's been fixed, it's had a complete overhaul |
| [05:27:00] | T0mW: | ok |
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| [05:27:00] | T0mW: | You guys have any reservations about transcoding into mpeg4? Is that a good format to use? |
| [05:27:00] | ChrisMacTire: | T0mW: Depends on what you want to do with it and how powerful your cpu is. |
| [05:27:00] | T0mW: | or should I be using Xvid? |
| [05:28:00] | T0mW: | cpu is good |
| [05:28:00] | T0mW: | heh |
| [05:28:00] | Beirdo: | Xvid IS MPEG4 |
| [05:28:00] | T0mW: | ah |
| [05:28:00] | T0mW: | avidemux2 chokes on export to XVid with a missing library call. but if I spec lavmpeg4 it works fine |
| [05:29:00] | Beirdo: | avidemux2 is a POS for many reasond |
| [05:29:00] | T0mW: | lavmpeg4 compression is awesome! |
| [05:29:00] | T0mW: | I know |
| [05:29:00] | T0mW: | I'm not about to install a much higher end package though. Some of the stuff I've looked at is professional grade stuff, high learning curve. |
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| [05:30:00] | T0mW: | all I want to do is edit commercials out, manually as I don't trust mythtv commercial detection, and then transcode to a more economical format |
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| [05:31:00] | T0mW: | at least avidemux seems to be the least offensive to get running |
| [05:31:00] | Beirdo: | use mythtv to mark the commercials, then use nuvexport |
| [05:31:00] | T0mW: | although, I'd love to be able to cut & paste between recordings! |
| [05:32:00] | T0mW: | the problem is that the sound levels vary between recordings, noticably. AFAICT, I would need to go to some high-end studio type software to accomplish decent editing. |
| [05:33:00] | roz: | i'm having some mythtv issues --- recently upgraded both my boxes to xOrg and having problems getting myth working again. even before the upgrade on the myth box.. missing extention RANDR is the message i'm dealing with that I think is the culprit |
| [05:34:00] | T0mW: | Beirdo: mythtv editing is good for quickie stuff, but sometimes when the scene changes you get a sound burp. With avidemux I can play that edited segment to verify the scene transition is "clean". |
| [05:34:00] | roz: | xrandr delivers the same missing extension message |
| [05:34:00] | T0mW: | roz: did you do a full distro install, or just upped the XFree to Xorg |
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| [05:35:00] | Beirdo: | T0mW: just go in there and set the markers in the right spots |
| [05:35:00] | T0mW: | yeh |
| [05:35:00] | Beirdo: | use the editor in mythtv |
| [05:35:00] | roz: | 2 full new reinstalls-- 1 was hacked... the other had a hard drive fail back to back. |
| [05:36:00] | T0mW: | roz: hmm, my new box is a Mandriva 2005 distro, I've no Xorg probs. |
| [05:36:00] | roz: | its an ATI card |
| [05:36:00] | roz: | my nvidia seems to not be having these issues anymore.... |
| [05:36:00] | T0mW: | roz: ATI is a P*O*S!! |
| [05:37:00] | T0mW: | sorry |
| [05:37:00] | T0mW: | I never could get one of those things working "right". |
| [05:37:00] | Beirdo: | my ATI cards have always worked fine, you guys are incompetent |
| [05:37:00] | T0mW: | Beirdo: I know, I am |
| [05:38:00] | roz: | It may not be the issue at all..... my desktop is delivering me a black screen. |
| [05:38:00] | roz: | as well as the myth tv machine |
| [05:42:00] | Beirdo: | as a matter of fact, I'm watching the end of the CSI finale on my ATI 9600 Pro right now |
| [05:42:00] | T0mW: | well, the ATI card I had did have a nice heat sink on it, so I tore that off and stuck it on an NVIDIA card that the fan had seized |
| [05:43:00] | Beirdo: | dumb |
| [05:43:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [05:43:00] | roz: | whats this mean : Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION: |
| [05:43:00] | Beirdo: | it means that your backend likely ate it |
| [05:43:00] | Beirdo: | or that you have updated the backend and not the frontend |
| [05:43:00] | roz: | its still running, but not giving me any info on -v all |
| [05:44:00] | T0mW: | roz: you using apt-get, emerge, or urpmi to do proper resolution of libs, etc? |
| [05:44:00] | ChrisMacTire: | Anyone familiar with twm? |
| [05:44:00] | roz: | gentoo's emerge |
| [05:44:00] | T0mW: | k |
| [05:44:00] | roz: | on both machines |
| [05:45:00] | roz: | i need to test and verify my ivtv module is working |
| [05:45:00] | T0mW: | roz: ... and you are installing clean myth source / binaries, not re-using old binaries? |
| [05:46:00] | roz: | correct, both systems were rebuilt this last week |
| [05:46:00] | T0mW: | roz: cat /dev/video0 > foo.mpg |
| [05:46:00] | T0mW: | roz: after few seconds, CTRL-C, then mplayer foo.mpg |
| [05:46:00] | T0mW: | or you could simply "mplayer /dev/video0", that works too |
| [05:48:00] | roz: | verified working |
| [05:53:00] | roz: | OK.... XRandr problem fixed. ivtv is working, mythtv is bringing up a black screen on both frontends |
| [05:53:00] | roz: | no helpful errors, except Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION: |
| [05:55:00] | roz: | ideas? |
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| [06:00:00] | T0mW: | well, if it were me, I would get the mythtv sources, then "find /usr/src/mythtv-0.18.1/ -type f | xargs fgrep MYTH_PROTO_VERSION" and read the code to see why it fails with that message. |
| [06:00:00] | T0mW: | although my understanding of c++ is weak, I can puzzle some things out. |
| [06:01:00] | Agrajag-: | roz: is your backend and frontend running the same version? |
| [06:05:00] | roz: | yes they were/are |
| [06:05:00] | roz: | I reran setup..... and for some reason had to redo it all. its working now. |
| [06:06:00] | djpere: | Schaw I got a fullscreen flash player working in myth |
| [06:06:00] | djpere: | and you can just select it like any other video |
| [06:06:00] | djpere: | and it plays in fullscreen |
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| [06:30:00] | laga: | djpere: nice! |
| [06:30:00] | djpere: | well |
| [06:30:00] | djpere: | the sound is way off :> |
| [06:30:00] | djpere: | out of sync |
| [06:30:00] | laga: | djpere: would be cool if you shared your experience in the wiki/the ML |
| [06:30:00] | laga: | oh, that sucks |
| [06:30:00] | djpere: | Yea its not even worth it |
| [06:31:00] | djpere: | I wonder if gplflash works better |
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| [06:37:00] | blue: | How would I go about turning on mysql in SuSe? |
| [06:37:00] | djpere: | ? |
| [06:38:00] | djpere: | install it and run it like any other server? |
| [06:38:00] | djpere: | *service |
| [06:38:00] | djpere: | laga |
| [06:38:00] | djpere: | which one? |
| [06:39:00] | laga: | djpere: ? |
| [06:39:00] | djpere: | http://www.mythtv.info ? |
| [06:39:00] | laga: | yep :) |
| [06:39:00] | laga: | morning rjune |
| [06:40:00] | rjune: | laga: is bedtime for me |
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| [06:41:00] | laga: | rjune so is it for me, but the powerful people think differently ;) |
| [06:41:00] | mchou: | powerful ppl? who is that , your wife? |
| [06:42:00] | djpere: | slow site :> |
| [06:42:00] | mchou: | sleeping on the couch tonight? |
| [06:42:00] | laga: | no, the people who think that i should be going to school at 7:30am ;) |
| [06:42:00] | mchou: | haha, no doubt |
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| [06:42:00] | djpere: | well I just failed finals :D |
| [06:42:00] | JeepJerk: | hello |
| [06:42:00] | ** laga points to his noma'am t-shirt ** | |
| [06:43:00] | laga: | djpere: i'd blame mythtv ;) |
| [06:43:00] | ** xris points at the new nuvexport ** | |
| [06:43:00] | djpere: | yes |
| [06:43:00] | JeepJerk: | nvtv fixed it, thanks laga |
| [06:43:00] | ** laga slaps xris ** | |
| [06:43:00] | djpere: | I didn't study, do take home shit |
| [06:43:00] | laga: | JeepJerk: np ;) |
| [06:43:00] | djpere: | Oh well I don't give a shit I won't fail :P |
| [06:43:00] | ** xris slaps laga. with a trout. ** | |
| [06:43:00] | ** laga cries. ** | |
| [06:43:00] | xris: | anyway, nuvexport now has --name and --date format commands. |
| [06:44:00] | JeepJerk: | I get this trying to configure CVS cat: /etc//etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory |
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| [06:44:00] | ** xris goes to find food or something. ** | |
| [06:46:00] | laga: | xris: nice |
| [06:46:00] | JeepJerk: | not sure but I think its line 745 of configure |
| [06:46:00] | djpere: | page is really really slow |
| [06:47:00] | ** laga is having problems building bison ;) ** | |
| [06:47:00] | laga: | djpere: yep. |
| [06:47:00] | djpere: | I don't even understand how to add somethin |
| [06:47:00] | djpere: | g |
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| [06:50:00] | djpere: | how do I add |
| [06:50:00] | djpere: | a howto |
| [06:50:00] | JeepJerk: | to where? |
| [06:51:00] | djpere: | mythtv.info |
| [06:51:00] | Chris_McTire: | Does anyone know if mplayer actually respects the -geometry command? |
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| [06:54:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Anybody know firewire? |
| [06:54:00] | JeepJerk: | djpere I think you write the file and then aatach it in howto with the correct mime type |
| [06:54:00] | djpere: | ok |
| [06:54:00] | JeepJerk: | I use firewire, I don't know how well I know it |
| [06:54:00] | djpere: | just a text file? |
| [06:55:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Had FW working on my desktop machine, I broke it out into frontend/backend. My backend is making a very small amount of noise 'send oops' and not doing anything WRT the STB. I have no idea what to poke at next and Google was less than helpful. |
| [06:56:00] | JeepJerk: | djpere http://mythtv.info/moin.cgi/WikiCourse_2fBasi . . . e_2fSubPages |
| [06:57:00] | JeepJerk: | so the desktop is the backend? |
| [06:57:00] | T0mW: | something broken here... "Your ffmpeg installation doesn't support encoding to xvid. (It must be compiled with the --enable-xvid option)" |
| [06:57:00] | T0mW: | ffmpeg sources don't support xvid! |
| [06:57:00] | JeepJerk: | sure they do |
| [06:57:00] | T0mW: | there is no config option |
| [06:58:00] | T0mW: | not in ffmpeg source |
| [06:58:00] | Forge_Sleep: | My machine was be/fe, now it's frontend only. I can connect fine, the new be and the existing fe communicate fine. Trying anything WRT recording or watching TV fails. |
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| [06:58:00] | k-man: | hello |
| [06:58:00] | JeepJerk: | WRT? |
| [06:58:00] | Forge_Sleep: | With Regards To |
| [06:59:00] | JeepJerk: | Network speed is ok? |
| [06:59:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Yep. |
| [06:59:00] | JeepJerk: | what makes you think its the firewire? |
| [07:00:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Everything works just peachy so long as I stay away from TV. Watching DVDs is fine, but any work that involves the FW tuner times out. |
| [07:00:00] | k-man: | anyone tried running mythtv in 64 bit mode? |
| [07:00:00] | Forge_Sleep: | k-man: Doing it. |
| [07:00:00] | k-man: | ie, on a 64 bit cpu |
| [07:00:00] | k-man: | Forge_Sleep, yeah? good |
| [07:00:00] | k-man: | ? |
| [07:00:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Doing it on three AMD64 boxes ATM. |
| [07:00:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Works fine, no major speedup/down vs. 32bit. |
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| [07:01:00] | k-man: | oh, ok |
| [07:01:00] | k-man: | interesting |
| [07:01:00] | k-man: | and how do you find 64 bit in general? |
| [07:01:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Slightly faster/smoother, but only slightly. |
| [07:02:00] | laga: | gotta go, bye guys |
| [07:02:00] | k-man: | smoother? |
| [07:02:00] | Forge_Sleep: | I can run a 32bit VMware full tilt without bogging my box, though, which I couldn't do in 32bit. |
| [07:02:00] | k-man: | which distro? |
| [07:02:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Gentoo. |
| [07:02:00] | JeepJerk: | can you capture outside of myth? |
| [07:02:00] | Forge_Sleep: | JeepJerk: With what? |
| [07:03:00] | ** Forge_Sleep doesn't know any apps to cap off of firewire aside from myth. ** | |
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| [07:05:00] | Forge_Sleep: | I know the STB/cable are both OK, I was using them with Myth on this machine this morning. It's only on the new backend that I get this largely error-message-free unworking state. |
| [07:05:00] | JeepJerk: | Forge_sleep: trying to remember, there was a tool that came with one of the drivers, it was something like mpeg123test |
| [07:06:00] | Forge_Sleep: | What drivers? |
| [07:07:00] | JeepJerk: | it was either libiec61883 or libavc1394 |
| [07:08:00] | ** Forge_Sleep merges both and looks through the file lists. ** | |
| [07:08:00] | JeepJerk: | test-mpeg2 |
| [07:09:00] | JeepJerk: | libiec61883/examples |
| [07:09:00] | JeepJerk: | just pipe stdotu to a file when you run it |
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| [07:11:00] | JeepJerk: | what is dvdnav? |
| [07:11:00] | Forge_Sleep: | DVD navigation |
| [07:12:00] | JeepJerk: | well where do i find it? |
| [07:12:00] | JeepJerk: | what is it really called? |
| [07:12:00] | Forge_Sleep: | For? |
| [07:12:00] | JeepJerk: | "/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.4/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -ldvdnav" |
| [07:12:00] | JeepJerk: | linking in myth |
| [07:12:00] | Forge_Sleep: | -ldvdnav means it's most likely looking for the Xine dvdnav package, AFAIK. |
| [07:15:00] | Forge_Sleep: | JeepJerk: test-mpeg2 > test.mpg = test.mpg 0 bytes. I guess I've (sort of) found the problem. Thanks. |
| [07:15:00] | ** Jurian_Knight can't get his .htaccess file to work with mythwev... ** | |
| [07:15:00] | JeepJerk: | try changing the channel |
| [07:15:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Did that. |
| [07:15:00] | JeepJerk: | are you doing HD or SD? |
| [07:15:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Jurian_Knight: I'll be there tomorrow, I feel your pain. |
| [07:16:00] | Forge_Sleep: | JeepJerk: SD. |
| [07:17:00] | JeepJerk: | Forge_Sleep: same STB? |
| [07:17:00] | Jurian_Knight: | i ended up restarting httpd so much it crashed mythbackend :P |
| [07:17:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Yep. |
| [07:17:00] | JeepJerk: | Jurian_knight you know it comes with an .htaccess? |
| [07:17:00] | T0mW: | hmm, need Chinese version of ffmpeg to get xvid supported |
| [07:17:00] | JeepJerk: | ! |
| [07:18:00] | JeepJerk: | thats funny cause I didn't |
| [07:18:00] | T0mW: | I'm in USA |
| [07:18:00] | JeepJerk: | I think it just depends on what version of ffmpeg you're using |
| [07:18:00] | JeepJerk: | me too |
| [07:18:00] | Forge_Sleep: | As am I. |
| [07:18:00] | T0mW: | correct: ffmpeg vs. FFMpeg |
| [07:20:00] | Forge_Sleep: | JeepJerk: Could you give me an ls -la of your /dev/raw1394? |
| [07:21:00] | JeepJerk: | crw------- 1 root root 171, 0 2005-06–03 22:56 raw1394 |
| [07:21:00] | JeepJerk: | actually I might have installed mplayer first to get xvid |
| [07:22:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Depressingly similar. |
| [07:22:00] | JeepJerk: | it was a while ago |
| [07:24:00] | JeepJerk: | its using the correct node? |
| [07:24:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Yep. |
| [07:24:00] | ** Forge_Sleep just double checked. ** | |
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| [07:25:00] | Forge_Sleep: | frags examples # ./test-mpeg2 |
| [07:25:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Starting to receive |
| [07:25:00] | Forge_Sleep: | (insert ten seconds, then ctrl-c) |
| [07:25:00] | Forge_Sleep: | (done. |
| [07:25:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Nothing coming out. |
| [07:26:00] | ** Forge_Sleep is stumped. ** | |
| [07:26:00] | twisted_one: | anyone around who uses mythweb? |
| [07:26:00] | JeepJerk: | true |
| [07:26:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Define 'uses' |
| [07:27:00] | twisted_one: | makes use of |
| [07:27:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [07:27:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Cause I just edited my channel listing and added a scheduled recording, but I have no idea WTF I'm doing most times. |
| [07:27:00] | JeepJerk: | I'll trade info on dvdnav for mythweb :P |
| [07:27:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
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| [07:27:00] | twisted_one: | JeepJerk: I can pretend to know what I am talking about |
| [07:27:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [07:28:00] | JeepJerk: | and I'll do the same to you |
| [07:28:00] | JeepJerk: | whats the issue |
| [07:28:00] | twisted_one: | Well heres what I am trying to do, I want to run mythweb on this machine and the backend on another |
| [07:28:00] | twisted_one: | I have it working and connecting to the db |
| [07:28:00] | twisted_one: | but on many pages I am getting errors wtih the php |
| [07:28:00] | twisted_one: | I dont know if its caused by this, although I tend to think that it is not |
| [07:29:00] | JeepJerk: | whats your browser? |
| [07:29:00] | JeepJerk: | and whats the error? |
| [07:29:00] | twisted_one: | firefox |
| [07:29:00] | JeepJerk: | passed the first test |
| [07:30:00] | twisted_one: | Parse error: parse error, unexpected ';', expecting T_OLD_FUNCTION or T_FUNCTION or T_VAR or '}' in /web/mythtv/themes/Default/program_detail.php on line 373 |
| [07:30:00] | twisted_one: | thats one I get |
| [07:30:00] | twisted_one: | when I click on a tvshow listing in the main guide page |
| [07:30:00] | blue: | When I try to run mysql -u root <mc.sql it says Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO_ |
| [07:30:00] | blue: | Any ideas? |
| [07:30:00] | twisted_one: | blue try |
| [07:30:00] | twisted_one: | mysql -u root -p mythconverg |
| [07:30:00] | twisted_one: | http://malaeum.net/mythtv |
| [07:31:00] | twisted_one: | JeepJerk: you can chekc it out there |
| [07:31:00] | twisted_one: | its open right now so dont go and F me over please =P |
| [07:31:00] | twisted_one: | (sorry , but had to state it, already had one person try and be funny) |
| [07:31:00] | ** rpete schedules twisted_one to record oprah daily ** | |
| [07:31:00] | twisted_one: | already done =P |
| [07:31:00] | rpete: | what'd they do? |
| [07:31:00] | twisted_one: | changed key bindings a bit |
| [07:32:00] | twisted_one: | you cant schedule anything through there right now |
| [07:32:00] | twisted_one: | OH! |
| [07:32:00] | twisted_one: | I'll bet this a PHP5 issue |
| [07:32:00] | blue: | Hmm.. its saying Unkown database... |
| [07:32:00] | twisted_one: | bah |
| [07:32:00] | twisted_one: | oh, really... |
| [07:32:00] | twisted_one: | then hows it getting the guide info and whatnot. |
| [07:32:00] | twisted_one: | ? |
| [07:32:00] | Chris_McTire: | g'night people |
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| [07:32:00] | blue: | night. |
| [07:33:00] | twisted_one: | any ideas? php5 possibly |
| [07:33:00] | twisted_one: | ? |
| [07:33:00] | twisted_one: | I guess can anyone confirm that this works with php5 |
| [07:33:00] | twisted_one: | ? |
| [07:34:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Parse error: parse error, unexpected ';', expecting T_OLD_FUNCTION or T_FUNCTION or T_VAR or '}' in /web/mythtv/themes/Default/program_detail.php on line 373 |
| [07:34:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Works with PHP5 here. |
| [07:34:00] | twisted_one: | ok |
| [07:34:00] | twisted_one: | odd |
| [07:34:00] | twisted_one: | yeah I see that |
| [07:34:00] | twisted_one: | its like the code is borked |
| [07:34:00] | twisted_one: | but I have no idea what is happening |
| [07:34:00] | JeepJerk: | hmm, I don't have a line 373 in my program detail |
| [07:35:00] | twisted_one: | neitehr do I |
| [07:35:00] | twisted_one: | 149 |
| [07:35:00] | twisted_one: | quite odd |
| [07:36:00] | twisted_one: | what the heck is doing this? |
| [07:36:00] | JeepJerk: | any hints in the error logs? |
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| [07:36:00] | twisted_one: | hrmm |
| [07:36:00] | JeepJerk: | it'd be the apache logs |
| [07:37:00] | twisted_one: | yeah |
| [07:37:00] | twisted_one: | same error basicaly |
| [07:37:00] | twisted_one: | parse erorr on 373... |
| [07:38:00] | twisted_one: | PHP Parse error: parse error, unexpected ';', expecting T_OLD_FUNCTION or T_FUNCTION or T_VAR or '}' in /web/mythtv/themes/Default/program_detail.php on line 373, referer: http://malaeum.net/mythtv/program_listing.php |
| [07:38:00] | Forge_Sleep: | File corruption! |
| [07:38:00] | twisted_one: | oh thats in themes... let me check that program_detail |
| [07:38:00] | twisted_one: | hrmm |
| [07:38:00] | twisted_one: | I have reinstalled |
| [07:38:00] | twisted_one: | =\ |
| [07:38:00] | twisted_one: | well |
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| [07:38:00] | twisted_one: | hrmm |
| [07:38:00] | twisted_one: | it installs to a different folder and i move it |
| [07:38:00] | twisted_one: | dont know it somehow uses some crazy style of linking |
| [07:39:00] | twisted_one: | let me reinstlal and symlink to the location |
| [07:39:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Bloody lovely. One Audigy makes the system oops/hang, the other just shows up with no 1394. |
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| [07:39:00] | twisted_one: | not the safest, but might help figure this out |
| [07:39:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Fookin harl. |
| [07:39:00] | ** Forge_Sleep will have to locate a proper IEEE1394 card tomorrow, it's late now. ** | |
| [07:39:00] | Forge_Sleep: | Thanks all. |
| [07:39:00] | JeepJerk: | should be able to move it |
| [07:40:00] | JeepJerk: | good luck man |
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| [07:45:00] | twisted_one: | ha |
| [07:45:00] | twisted_one: | that seems to have fixed some of it |
| [07:45:00] | twisted_one: | =) |
| [07:45:00] | twisted_one: | only other issue I see |
| [07:45:00] | twisted_one: | http://malaeum.net/mythtv/video.php |
| [07:45:00] | twisted_one: | when I click on the video files they are missing, but I think that link is to transfer them, in which case i dont really want to have that anyways |
| [07:46:00] | JeepJerk: | right |
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| [07:47:00] | JeepJerk: | you need to make a symlink to them |
| [07:47:00] | twisted_one: | is there a way to have myth auto lookup all of my movies on imdb |
| [07:47:00] | JeepJerk: | called video_url |
| [07:47:00] | twisted_one: | i dont lik doing it by hand |
| [07:47:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [07:47:00] | JeepJerk: | I wish |
| [07:47:00] | JeepJerk: | but no I don't think so |
| [07:47:00] | twisted_one: | yeah, I could, but I really dont want to post such things right now |
| [07:47:00] | twisted_one: | JeepJerk: ah, ok |
| [07:49:00] | twisted_one: | last but not least |
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| [07:49:00] | twisted_one: | I've never setup a .htaccess before |
| [07:49:00] | twisted_one: | I dont want this publically accessable |
| [07:49:00] | twisted_one: | for obvious reasons |
| [07:49:00] | blue: | mythfilldatabase |
| [07:49:00] | blue: | oops |
| [07:49:00] | blue: | wrong window (must bee getting late) |
| [07:49:00] | twisted_one: | blue, that doesnt work in ehre =P |
| [07:49:00] | twisted_one: | here* |
| [07:50:00] | blue: | ;-P |
| [07:54:00] | JeepJerk: | http://austin.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/60286784.html |
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| [07:58:00] | twisted_one: | LoL |
| [07:58:00] | twisted_one: | nice |
| [07:58:00] | banyan: | i've just finished reinstalling my rh9 with fc3. in order to avoid the same pain in the future, should I stick with yum or is it all right to use apt4rpm like the old rh9 setup recommended? |
| [07:58:00] | JeepJerk: | yeah, thats the way to do it |
| [07:59:00] | JeepJerk: | oh, I wasn't answering you banyan, sorry |
| [07:59:00] | JeepJerk: | I'm heading out, later |
| [07:59:00] | twisted_one: | bah |
| [07:59:00] | twisted_one: | dont know about .htaccess? |
| [07:59:00] | JeepJerk: | sure I do |
| [07:59:00] | JeepJerk: | mine works fine :) |
| [07:59:00] | banyan: | i mean, I liked apt but i suspect it got me into trouble with the upgrade process. |
| [08:00:00] | JeepJerk: | you want security? |
| [08:01:00] | JeepJerk: | <Directory /srv/www/htdocs/mythweb> |
| [08:01:00] | JeepJerk: | AuthType Digest |
| [08:01:00] | JeepJerk: | AuthName "MythTV" |
| [08:01:00] | JeepJerk: | AuthDigestFile /srv/www/digest |
| [08:01:00] | JeepJerk: | require user mythtv |
| [08:01:00] | JeepJerk: | satisfy all |
| [08:01:00] | JeepJerk: | AllowOverride All |
| [08:01:00] | JeepJerk: | </Directory> |
| [08:01:00] | JeepJerk: | put that in your httpd.conf |
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| [08:01:00] | JeepJerk: | then make the digest file and restart apache |
| [08:02:00] | JeepJerk: | later |
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| [08:12:00] | banyan: | is it possible to install mythtv from packages without using apt? |
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| [08:13:00] | fryfrog: | sure, use rpm or emerge! |
| [08:14:00] | fryfrog: | (redhat or gentoo) |
| [08:15:00] | banyan: | ur yum? |
| [08:15:00] | banyan: | oops, or yum? |
| [08:15:00] | mitcheloc: | fry, can you help me? |
| [08:16:00] | fryfrog: | i spose you can use what ever you want, do you have some aversion to apt? |
| [08:16:00] | banyan: | only if it gives me trouble upgrading to future versions of fedora. |
| [08:17:00] | k-man: | banyan, why don't you want to use apt? |
| [08:17:00] | k-man: | apt is goo |
| [08:17:00] | k-man: | d |
| [08:18:00] | banyan: | I loved apt, but I just finished doing an install from scratch of fc3. what I really wanted to do was do an upgrade from red hat 9. |
| [08:19:00] | banyan: | couldn't make a go of it tho. too many problems with the yum upgrade re: package dependencies, etc. |
| [08:21:00] | banyan: | I have a hunch the troubles stemmed from my use of apt4rpm... |
| [08:21:00] | fryfrog: | i have a feeling going from rh9 -> fc is not easy? |
| [08:22:00] | fryfrog: | but i bet going from like, fc2->3 would work |
| [08:22:00] | scuzzy: | apt is good, if left using dpkg |
| [08:22:00] | fryfrog: | or fc3->4? |
| [08:22:00] | banyan: | I tried to sneak up from rh9 to fc1 but got a headache there too. |
| [08:22:00] | twisted_one: | oh |
| [08:22:00] | twisted_one: | I get this error still |
| [08:22:00] | twisted_one: | Warning at /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/weather.php, line 104: |
| [08:22:00] | twisted_one: | file(): URL file-access is disabled in the server configuration |
| [08:23:00] | twisted_one: | hrmm |
| [08:23:00] | twisted_one: | wonder how I enable that and the security implications thereof |
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| [08:27:00] | banyan: | so the general concensus is that apt4rpm will not cause problems in future upgrades...? |
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| [08:50:00] | Bogus8: | is there a way to find out if a process has released the audio card before running a command? |
| [08:51:00] | Bogus8: | like in a script |
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| [08:53:00] | fryfrog: | you could run a short test use of it and see if it errors out? |
| [08:54:00] | fryfrog: | if you use something like mpg123 to play a half second mp3 and look for it to return an error code that is NOT 0 (successful) maybe? |
| [08:58:00] | twisted_one: | bah |
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| [09:02:00] | Bogus8: | fryfrog: I need this to be unattended |
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| [09:07:00] | fryfrog: | i don't see why that wouldn't be unattended? |
| [09:07:00] | fryfrog: | "if (mpg123 test.mp3) { do this shit } |
| [09:07:00] | fryfrog: | of course, thats just pseudo code :) |
| [09:08:00] | Bogus8: | hmm yeah mp3blaster spits out entire display vs something more command line looking |
| [09:08:00] | lespiggot: | hi everyone :) I played about with mythtv (0.15)about a year ago with my old wintv pci card, and it worked well. I'm looking to start trying mythtv again but this time purchasing the PVR cards and am wonder if its worth purchasing a Hauppage PVR 350 or just go with the 150's?? (I can get 2 for the price of a 350) Any toughs/comments? thx |
| [09:08:00] | fryfrog: | mpg123 can be run in quite mode |
| [09:08:00] | fryfrog: | what you are looking at is the fact that if it FAILS to run, it retuns a value of 1 |
| [09:08:00] | fryfrog: | if it runs fine, it returns 0 |
| [09:09:00] | Bogus8: | hmm I'll have to look at that |
| [09:09:00] | fryfrog: | false in the first case, true in the first |
| [09:09:00] | fryfrog: | its probably not the *best* way, but its the only one i can think of |
| [09:09:00] | Bogus8: | anyway is better than nothing right now ;) |
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| [09:09:00] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [09:09:00] | fryfrog: | lespiggot: the 350 has tv output, the 150s don't |
| [09:10:00] | fryfrog: | so if you are picking the 350 for the tv out, its your best choice |
| [09:10:00] | fryfrog: | the 150s require "alpha" drivers that are still being activly developed... so you can use em, and lots of people here have... but it may require more work *and* there is no garentee it'll work :/ |
| [09:10:00] | lespiggot: | fryfrog: ah didn't realise that :) hence the cheep price of the 150 then |
| [09:11:00] | fryfrog: | and the pvr250 |
| [09:11:00] | Bogus8: | I have a 150 |
| [09:11:00] | Bogus8: | I think about 95% of everyone gets it working in one way or another |
| [09:11:00] | fryfrog: | if it were *me* i'd go for 2x pvr150s and an nvidia video card for tv out :) |
| [09:11:00] | Bogus8: | like I don't have s-video so I use composite till s-video gets fixed |
| [09:11:00] | lespiggot: | :) |
| [09:12:00] | fryfrog: | i may even pick the pvr500 (2x pvr150s on one card), but i've not heard many speaking of that card in here |
| [09:12:00] | Bogus8: | I have one 150 and an nvidia fx 5200 |
| [09:12:00] | Bogus8: | I think it works as well as the 150 from what i've been seeing |
| [09:12:00] | lespiggot: | unfortunately my m/b doesn't have a AGP slot for the graphics card :( |
| [09:12:00] | fryfrog: | built in video card? |
| [09:13:00] | lespiggot: | the 150 seemed to be a cheeper 250 |
| [09:13:00] | Bogus8: | less supported also |
| [09:13:00] | fryfrog: | yes, the 150 is the 250's replacement |
| [09:13:00] | lespiggot: | 3dfx PCI card Voodo 3 |
| [09:13:00] | Bogus8: | as of now |
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| [09:13:00] | fryfrog: | its cheaper and *slightly* better, specs wise |
| [09:13:00] | fryfrog: | oh, what cpu? |
| [09:13:00] | fryfrog: | those voodoo3's had tv out too... but they are kinda old |
| [09:14:00] | lespiggot: | P3 1 Mhz, 512Mb ram, its my old linux box |
| [09:14:00] | fryfrog: | you might be able to find a pci GF2 or GF4 on ebay or something |
| [09:14:00] | fryfrog: | OH SHIT! |
| [09:14:00] | fryfrog: | 1 mhz? :) |
| [09:14:00] | lespiggot: | lol |
| [09:14:00] | fryfrog: | dude, you should upgrade! |
| [09:14:00] | lespiggot: | need to pedel faster to get more cycles ;) |
| [09:15:00] | fryfrog: | i have an amd 1600+ w/ 512mb of ram and i'd say thats probably the slowest i would want to go to use with myth |
| [09:15:00] | fryfrog: | but i do have 3x pvr250s (used to be 4x) and it works pretty well |
| [09:15:00] | Bogus8: | fryfrog: is there a way to check for that 0/1 flag via an echo on the command line or do I need it to be scripted? |
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| [09:16:00] | fryfrog: | Bogus8: that is what i'm not sure about :/ |
| [09:16:00] | fryfrog: | if you know how to do bash script, just do like ./.. |
| [09:16:00] | fryfrog: | hummm |
| [09:16:00] | Bogus8: | lespiggot: I have basically the same system... mine barely uses any resources |
| [09:16:00] | fryfrog: | there is some way to reference the return value of a prog, like $return or something |
| [09:16:00] | fryfrog: | p3 1ghz bogus? |
| [09:16:00] | Bogus8: | fryfrog: yep |
| [09:17:00] | fryfrog: | for recording, it'd be basically nill |
| [09:17:00] | Bogus8: | I have 640mb ram |
| [09:17:00] | Bogus8: | but I barely touch ram nearly 500mb free |
| [09:17:00] | fryfrog: | for playback though... you gotta be using 60% or more cpu |
| [09:17:00] | Bogus8: | umm let me check |
| [09:17:00] | fryfrog: | i'd ditch the pci v3 and find a pci nvidia card, gf2 prolly |
| [09:17:00] | fryfrog: | and go with 1x pvr150 until you got it working |
| [09:18:00] | fryfrog: | then decide if you want a 2nd :) |
| [09:18:00] | Bogus8: | fryfrog: I have at least 60% IDLE while watching live |
| [09:18:00] | fryfrog: | really? |
| [09:18:00] | fryfrog: | i'll have to peak at my numbers then, but i'm kinda surprised |
| [09:19:00] | Bogus8: | as long as you have an mpeg encoding card it's nothing |
| [09:19:00] | Bogus8: | I have a 4x agp fx5200 card running dual tv and vga out |
| [09:20:00] | fryfrog: | what distro do you use? |
| [09:20:00] | Bogus8: | fc3 |
| [09:20:00] | lespiggot: | fryfrog: thx, depending on how weel it worked I then though I might upgrade the box also ;) there seems to be some good deals to be had (here in Glasgow, UK) on P4, 2600 minitowers, the 150 doesn't have encoding does it? on the the 350 |
| [09:20:00] | fryfrog: | i've got an gf4 ti 4200 in mine |
| [09:20:00] | Bogus8: | frontend is using maybe 25% |
| [09:20:00] | Bogus8: | and 16mb ram |
| [09:20:00] | fryfrog: | the 150/250/350/500 all encode to mpeg2, hardware |
| [09:20:00] | fryfrog: | what about X? |
| [09:20:00] | Bogus8: | right |
| [09:20:00] | fryfrog: | only the 350 has a hardware mpeg2 DECODER |
| [09:21:00] | Bogus8: | 3.5% and 5.5% |
| [09:21:00] | Bogus8: | sorry that was 16% memory not mb |
| [09:21:00] | fryfrog: | nice |
| [09:22:00] | fryfrog: | i'm gonna have to go back and review my shit :/ |
| [09:22:00] | fryfrog: | you use nvidia drivers? |
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| [09:23:00] | Bogus8: | fryfrog: yeah |
| [09:23:00] | Bogus8: | yum installed |
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| [09:41:00] | lespiggot: | guys, given my limited cpu at the moment, and looking at ebay I can get a GFX5200 + PVR 150 for the cost of a PVR 350. should I get a reasonible result with that? |
| [09:42:00] | fryfrog: | i think you'd be happier |
| [09:42:00] | fryfrog: | the 350's tv out is a little limited and from what i've read, quite a bit harder to setup |
| [09:42:00] | Bogus8: | I have heard the same |
| [09:43:00] | fryfrog: | it *only* accelerates mpeg2, which isn't a *huge* problem... but someone was in here yesterday complaining about slow choppy video on his 350s tv out |
| [09:43:00] | Bogus8: | can't go wrong with nvidia ;) |
| [09:43:00] | fryfrog: | turns out he had transcoded from mpeg2->mpeg4 |
| [09:43:00] | fryfrog: | sure ya could, you could get a TNT or TNT2 card :p |
| [09:43:00] | Bogus8: | lots of peeps would differ with that opinion |
| [09:43:00] | fryfrog: | TNT/2 for myth? |
| [09:43:00] | fryfrog: | it'd suke |
| [09:44:00] | fryfrog: | nothing wrong with em, they are just to old and slow for a "decent" system |
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| [09:45:00] | Bogus8: | well, night fellas |
| [09:45:00] | lespiggot: | Bogus8: never actually had an nvidea card, always seemed to be ATI :( in the past until the 3dfx card which was much better than ATI |
| [09:45:00] | Bogus8: | good luck lespiggot and thanks fryfrog |
| [09:45:00] | lespiggot: | :) |
| [09:46:00] | Bogus8: | lespiggot: in linux |
| [09:46:00] | fryfrog: | is that voodoo3 the last "nice" video card you got? |
| [09:46:00] | Bogus8: | haha |
| [09:46:00] | fryfrog: | cause if so... DAAAAMN! |
| [09:47:00] | lespiggot: | fryfrog: nope but others running in windows :( or in boxes where there are not guis :( |
| [09:47:00] | fryfrog: | ahhh |
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| [09:49:00] | lespiggot: | the voodoo has run faithfully for over 5 years now with X :) |
| [09:49:00] | fryfrog: | i'm impressed, i had one or two V3s but gave em up due to poor driver support from a bankrupt company ;) |
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| [09:49:00] | Cardoe: | any Gentoo users use MythBrowser? |
| [09:49:00] | fryfrog: | no :( |
| [09:50:00] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: do you use any ebuilds? |
| [09:50:00] | fryfrog: | i use all ebuilds :) |
| [09:50:00] | fryfrog: | for myth |
| [09:50:00] | Cardoe: | what do you have installed? |
| [09:50:00] | fryfrog: | mythdvd, mythweather, mythvideo i think? |
| [09:50:00] | Cardoe: | stable? |
| [09:50:00] | nixbased: | fryfrog everytime I look in here your on bro where u from? |
| [09:50:00] | Cardoe: | 0.18.1-r1? |
| [09:51:00] | fryfrog: | unstable |
| [09:51:00] | Cardoe: | it's not stable for you? |
| [09:51:00] | fryfrog: | yeah |
| [09:51:00] | fryfrog: | oh, no |
| [09:51:00] | fryfrog: | i thought you meant "stable" x86 |
| [09:51:00] | Cardoe: | oh |
| [09:51:00] | Cardoe: | heh |
| [09:51:00] | fryfrog: | i use "unstable" ~x86 |
| [09:51:00] | Cardoe: | so all is well? |
| [09:51:00] | lespiggot: | the box thats its in is a crappy compaq small form factor, with no agp slot and only 3 pci slots so it was beter than the built in 64Mb (shared) AGP card lol, dirver support as always been ok in X I foung |
| [09:51:00] | fryfrog: | asside from myth sucking sometimes |
| [09:51:00] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: yeah well that's a fact of life. |
| [09:51:00] | fryfrog: | ah, i may drag one out |
| [09:52:00] | fryfrog: | as long as i don't use the web interface to delete stuff :) |
| [09:52:00] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: bad code leads to bad program |
| [09:52:00] | fryfrog: | hahah |
| [09:52:00] | Cardoe: | seriously. |
| [09:52:00] | Cardoe: | read the code. |
| [09:52:00] | fryfrog: | want me to esync and try mythbrowser? |
| [09:52:00] | lespiggot: | actually never used stable gentoo, all the best packages were masked ;) |
| [09:52:00] | fryfrog: | i don't even have to read the code to know that it isn't the best :/ |
| [09:52:00] | fryfrog: | yeah, they are all masked :) |
| [09:52:00] | Cardoe: | Bjanre or whatever the guy's name is that designed C++ reads Myth's code and would slash his wrists. |
| [09:52:00] | fryfrog: | i have to unmaks the good shit |
| [09:53:00] | lespiggot: | fryfrog: yup, thats the one |
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| [10:27:00] | T0mW: | krap |
| [10:27:00] | T0mW: | nuvexport still has the same copy bug in it |
| [10:28:00] | T0mW: | instead of copying to: export/48hours, export/conspiracyTheory |
| [10:28:00] | T0mW: | it does export/48hours/conspiracyTheory |
| [10:28:00] | T0mW: | it keeps descending directories for each nuv it exports |
| [10:29:00] | T0mW: | pita |
| [10:29:00] | T0mW: | I've got a patch to fix this, who gets it? |
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| [10:35:00] | fryfrog: | hummm |
| [10:36:00] | fryfrog: | the dude that does nuv is in here, i think you could probably get with Beirdo but... |
| [10:36:00] | fryfrog: | who was the original guy? |
| [10:36:00] | fryfrog: | my memory sucks |
| [10:42:00] | T0mW: | Chris Peterson or something like that. I sent him a patch last October |
| [10:43:00] | T0mW: | it is a simple error with a simple fix |
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| [10:46:00] | T0mW: | Of course, there is the "Official nuvexport" site, then there is the other "Official site". heh |
| [10:47:00] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: nuvexport is xris and Beirdo |
| [10:47:00] | T0mW: | k |
| [10:48:00] | T0mW: | I'll repair this version "nuvexport-lastest.bz2", whatever "latest" is, heh |
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| [10:48:00] | T0mW: | s/lastest/latest/ |
| [10:48:00] | Cardoe: | if ! built_with_use x11-base/xorg-x11 xv; then |
| [10:48:00] | Cardoe: | that can just be... |
| [10:48:00] | Cardoe: | built_with_use x11-base/xorg-x11 xv || { BLAH } |
| [10:48:00] | Cardoe: | ? |
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| [11:22:00] | XAD|onoff: | Cardoe, the first is always correct... the second depends on language as some do have evaluate all expressions and some also work different if you use "||" or "or"... |
| [11:22:00] | Cardoe: | hrm. Asked that here by accident. |
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| [12:05:00] | radon: | does anyone no if there is a rpm for the dvico tuner card, i have tryed searching the net but have had no luck |
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| [12:16:00] | radon: | ? or does anyone no of the best way to install it |
| [12:16:00] | radon: | the is simple and easy to understand |
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| [12:28:00] | T0mW: | radon: is that like a bttv card? |
| [12:29:00] | T0mW: | radon: chip on the card is either a BT848 or BT878 number on it? it would be a large IC about 1" (25mm) square |
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| [12:34:00] | radon: | um i dont no its in my computer now which im using, its a DVICO fusion HDTV dvb-t plus |
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| [12:34:00] | radon: | and i would like to no the easy way to install the drivers as im not good with linux, just starting to learn |
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| [12:53:00] | XAD|onoff: | radon, have you tried google??? (I got 503 hits and the first ones was about installing it on MythTV...) |
| [12:58:00] | XAD|onoff: | the first couple of links indicate that you need to do som dirty compile work though... |
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| [13:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | "Dirty" compile work? |
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| [13:28:00] | XAD|onoff: | well, radon wrote he wanted an "rpm" and "just starting to learn" linux... |
| [13:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | i c :) |
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| [14:03:00] | lotia: | folks anyone using pvr 150 and pvr 500 in the same machine. i'm interested in the 150 for the remote. |
| [14:06:00] | T0mW: | I'd like to know how the 150 + 500 stuff is working out too |
| [14:07:00] | lotia: | or perhaps, i should just get an ir receiver |
| [14:08:00] | T0mW: | lotia: Ok, you meant the remote control |
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| [14:09:00] | lotia: | well i'm still buying parts for the machine and want a remote, have a pvr 500 card, was wondering if it made better sense to get a pvr 150 and another tuner or leave that slot open for an hd card further down the line |
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| [14:14:00] | T0mW: | lotia: personally, I went with lirc_serial, the homebrew circuit. I needed to use a Radio Shack 8-in-1 remote + a WebPal IR keyboard. The PVR250 would only see the Radio Shack remote. It wouldn't decode the keyboard. |
| [14:15:00] | T0mW: | more of a PITA to setup than just running ./setup of lirc package, but it was a good learning experience. BTW, lirc docs sux |
| [14:15:00] | lotia: | T0mW: so in your remote config, can you use the same key for a function in myth and another function in xine/mplayer |
| [14:16:00] | T0mW: | yeah |
| [14:16:00] | T0mW: | .lircrc .mythtv/lircrc |
| [14:16:00] | T0mW: | one for mplayer control (~/.lircrc) and the other for myth (~/.mythtv/lircrc) |
| [14:17:00] | lotia: | so you can use the play/ff/rew keys to do the same thing in the two different progs |
| [14:17:00] | T0mW: | both remote control configs are placed into /etc/lircd.conf |
| [14:17:00] | T0mW: | not really |
| [14:19:00] | T0mW: | the 8-in-1 remote control is programmable. You can go from: VCR, TV, AUX, etc. and take the same key & reprogram a different code into that key, depending on which unit you select it will send a unique code |
| [14:19:00] | T0mW: | then, the .lircrc would interpret that code and invoke your irxevent for you |
| [14:19:00] | lotia: | so lirc doesn't interepret the key differently depending on what program is currently in the foreground |
| [14:19:00] | T0mW: | the remote itself is very flexible, very programmable |
| [14:20:00] | T0mW: | no |
| [14:20:00] | T0mW: | it doesn't care what is running, only interprets the keycode and takes the listed action |
| [14:20:00] | iggy: | Cardoe: I replied to the bug, let me know in here whether you want a patch, it'll be quicker |
| [14:20:00] | T0mW: | for example: |
| [14:21:00] | T0mW: | # Channel Up |
| [14:21:00] | T0mW: | begin |
| [14:21:00] | T0mW: | prog = mythtv |
| [14:21:00] | T0mW: | button = CH+ |
| [14:21:00] | T0mW: | repeat = 4 |
| [14:21:00] | T0mW: | config = Up |
| [14:21:00] | T0mW: | end |
| [14:22:00] | T0mW: | the button on the keycode decoded from the remote via lircd (based on /etc/lircd.conf) is translated into "CH+". lircd looks for $HOME/.lircrc and looks into that file to see what action to take. |
| [14:23:00] | T0mW: | in that case, it passes the "Up" code to mythtv |
| [14:23:00] | T0mW: | in other cases: |
| [14:24:00] | T0mW: | begin |
| [14:24:00] | T0mW: | prog = mplayer |
| [14:24:00] | T0mW: | button = PLAY |
| [14:24:00] | T0mW: | repeat = 4 |
| [14:24:00] | T0mW: | config = seek +1 |
| [14:24:00] | T0mW: | end |
| [14:24:00] | T0mW: | mplayer would get the code passed to it's lirc input logic via, IIRC, /dev/lircd socket |
| [14:25:00] | lotia: | T0mW you running 2.4 or 2.6? some docs say that lirc works only on 2.4, are they outdated |
| [14:25:00] | T0mW: | 2.6 |
| [14:25:00] | T0mW: | lirc-0.71 |
| [14:26:00] | T0mW: | Mandriva 2005 (2.6.11 kernel) |
| [14:27:00] | T0mW: | IR goes: RxLED --> lirc_serial --> lirc_dev --> lircd --> app via .lircrc statements |
| [14:28:00] | T0mW: | lirc_serial, lirc_i2c, etc are the hardware "sensors", they sense transtions on the IR receive diode. |
| [14:28:00] | T0mW: | lirc_dev is an interface (api) for /dev/lirc0 |
| [14:28:00] | T0mW: | lircd does the grunt work of the decode and dispatch of the decoded key |
| [14:30:00] | T0mW: | all of it is Black Magic (tm) |
| [14:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | Hehe |
| [14:31:00] | T0mW: | sure gives one the opportunity to bang your head against the wall while working with lirc |
| [14:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | lirc is definately one of the top 3 problems/complaints people seem to have |
| [14:31:00] | T0mW: | the docs are the problem |
| [14:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | and is to be avoided at all costs hehe. |
| [14:32:00] | GreyFoxx: | No doubt |
| [14:32:00] | T0mW: | I'm an experienced systems programmer and I couldn't figure out what they were trying to sya |
| [14:32:00] | T0mW: | s/sya/say/ |
| [14:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | I set it up once for someone when I installed their myth box. But that's only one of 18 or so installs I've done. Just seeing all the complainst about configuration issues and stability weirdness made me avoid it |
| [14:34:00] | T0mW: | only way I found out that I could combine both ir receiver configs into one file was to stumble upon some configs that did so. the way I was reading the docs, it sounded like I needed several hardware drivers below the lirc_dev layer |
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| [14:34:00] | T0mW: | GreyFoxx: "if it was easy, anyone could do it" |
| [14:34:00] | lotia: | T0mW was it a pita to build the receiver? |
| [14:35:00] | ** GreyFoxx sighs as he gets yet another email to shave more time off the dhcpd load time grarrrr ** | |
| [14:35:00] | T0mW: | lotia: naw, simple simple circuit |
| [14:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | some people expect too much |
| [14:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've already taken it from 1minute 25 seconds to 19secs. And now they want lower |
| [14:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [14:35:00] | T0mW: | lotia: http://www.openhardware.net/?title=Construct% . . . terface.html |
| [14:36:00] | T0mW: | lotia: the same circuit, effectively, as on the LIRC site. |
| [14:37:00] | T0mW: | I prefer to use the 2N7000 FET as opposed to a bipolar transistor, less resistors needed. |
| [14:39:00] | ** lotia wondering if he should just buy one. ** | |
| [14:40:00] | T0mW: | you could, I don't see the reason for some of the microprocessor based ones. There are a bunch of those lirc_serial homebrew thingys around the net. |
| [14:41:00] | T0mW: | I had purchased one unit from the Nederlands, IIRC, it was around US$40, it works fine, but now I know it is overkill |
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| [14:42:00] | lotia: | http://www.home-electro.com/ira3.php |
| [14:42:00] | lotia: | seems like a pleasant enough device. |
| [14:46:00] | T0mW: | that looks about right, it has an IR receiver diode, looks like it also has the 38.4KHz bandpass filter + transistor to drive the DCD line. Hard to tell without a schematic on their site (must be a "secret" circuit? ;). |
| [14:46:00] | T0mW: | heh |
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| [14:55:00] | RetroMan: | hey everyone |
| [15:01:00] | T0mW: | eh? |
| [15:01:00] | RetroMan: | i have a question – is a hardware decoder very important? |
| [15:02:00] | ananke: | RetroMan : depends on your priorities in life. |
| [15:02:00] | RetroMan: | would it be better to have a hardware decoder or a high speed processor? or, are the two at least equivalent? |
| [15:02:00] | T0mW: | depends on whether you like purchasing a 2.4GHz box + lots of RAM??? |
| [15:02:00] | RetroMan: | ya, true |
| [15:02:00] | ananke: | i use an athlon 900mhz for both frontend/backend. hardware encoder is important, decoder not as much. |
| [15:03:00] | T0mW: | yeah! |
| [15:03:00] | T0mW: | heh |
| [15:03:00] | T0mW: | I tried it once to use an EPIA VIA-800MHz with a BTTV card, didn't work very well.. |
| [15:03:00] | RetroMan: | well im thinking about either putting a nice pci card in an ugly box, or getting a nice looking box without a nice card (like the digimatrix) |
| [15:03:00] | ananke: | RetroMan : that athlon900mhz with a cheap nvidia card with tv-out does the decoding just fine. |
| [15:06:00] | RetroMan: | cool |
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| [15:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, I think I might have found my new case for my new frontend |
| [15:12:00] | GreyFoxx: | case shopping is so bloody hard. too much to choose from |
| [15:15:00] | rjune: | heh |
| [15:15:00] | rjune: | so let's see this new case? |
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| [15:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.thermaltake.com/xaserCase/tenor/black/black.htm |
| [15:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | with the vfd |
| [15:19:00] | RetroMan: | sorry, but what exactly is meant by a frontend and a backend? |
| [15:19:00] | RetroMan: | you can separate these two functions to two separate machines? |
| [15:19:00] | ananke: | RetroMan : correct. |
| [15:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [15:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | and you can have multiple frontends reading from one backend |
| [15:20:00] | RetroMan: | they both run Myth TV? |
| [15:20:00] | RetroMan: | hm, is there documentation on this somewhere? |
| [15:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [15:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | www.mythtv.org likely |
| [15:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | myth is designed as two processes. most people run them all on one box |
| [15:20:00] | ananke: | RetroMan : mythtv consists of two main components: backend, which takes care of recording and managing the data, and the frontend, which connects to the backend. and yes, all of it is explained in the documentation |
| [15:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | but some seperate them |
| [15:21:00] | XAD|onoff: | well, actually multiple backend to mutliple frontends... |
| [15:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | I have for instance 1 backend doing all recording and storage(plus a frontend for the tv connected to it) plus 2 diskless frontend only machines, and 1 MediaMVP that reads from my backend as well |
| [15:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah, you can have slave backends as well |
| [15:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | But you don't "Require" multiple backends |
| [15:22:00] | RetroMan: | what can the backend send to frontends? anything? |
| [15:22:00] | GreyFoxx: | LiveTV, and or prerecorded stuff |
| [15:22:00] | RetroMan: | so I could watch TV from my desktop PC in another room if I had a backend hooked up to the tv |
| [15:23:00] | ananke: | RetroMan : correct. |
| [15:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [15:23:00] | RetroMan: | but in order for two frontends to both be watching at the same time on different channels, youd need two backends, right? |
| [15:23:00] | RetroMan: | or two TV cards? |
| [15:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | RetroMan: two cards if they are watching livetv |
| [15:24:00] | ananke: | RetroMan : you can use one backend, with two capture cards |
| [15:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | But they could both watch the same inprogress recording or prerecorded item at the same time |
| [15:25:00] | RetroMan: | so a frontend doesnt need much disk space or processor speed or ram, right? |
| [15:25:00] | ananke: | hmm, 0.18.1 is behaving strangely on imdb searches, while everything worked fine in 0.18. has anybody else experience the same issue? |
| [15:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | well of course it needs some processor or ram. :) |
| [15:25:00] | ananke: | RetroMan : it needs enough for it to be able to decode and play things. |
| [15:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | Disk space is not required if you netboot it, or a small minimal disk is fine |
| [15:26:00] | XAD|onoff: | frontend need power to mpeg decode.... |
| [15:26:00] | XAD|onoff: | unless you have hardware decoder... |
| [15:26:00] | RetroMan: | how much power is needed to software decode? |
| [15:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | I wouldn't use anything less than an 800MHZ personally, unless you use XvMC to help offload the decoding work to the video card |
| [15:27:00] | ananke: | RetroMan : like i said, i use an athlon900mhz for decoding. |
| [15:28:00] | RetroMan: | ah |
| [15:28:00] | RetroMan: | and how much power is needed to encode if you have a hardware encoder like Hauppage 350? |
| [15:28:00] | RetroMan: | the docs say a tivo can run on a 54MHZ machine ?!? |
| [15:29:00] | ananke: | RetroMan : the encoding then is done by the hardware, so very little. enough to be able to save the encoded stream. |
| [15:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | retro the hardware enoder does all encoding, almost no CPU needed at all |
| [15:30:00] | RetroMan: | sweet |
| [15:30:00] | XAD|onoff: | using pvr350 you have both encode and decode... there is also possible to feed encoder directly to decoder to even reduce CPU/DMA overhead even further... |
| [15:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | Though if you are not using the decoding of the 350 you would save a lot of $$ sticking to a 250, 150 or possibly 500 |
| [15:32:00] | XAD|onoff: | well a 500 is the same price as a 350?? (I have a 500 but that's because I want a clean backend only machine)... |
| [15:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | same price, but at least you get two "tuners" :) |
| [15:33:00] | XAD|onoff: | yepp.... thats nice... to bad you still need time to watch the recorded stuff too... ;-) |
| [15:36:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: nice case |
| [15:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, I'm just trying to find info about that optional vfd kit |
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| [15:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | but so far nothin :) |
| [15:38:00] | RetroMan: | anyone use an xbox as a frontend? |
| [15:51:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: you setup anything with 5.1 audio out? |
| [15:55:00] | GreyFoxx: | Nope |
| [15:56:00] | GreyFoxx: | I will in a few weeks, but so far no |
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| [16:04:00] | hass1: | I'm planning a Myth box to handle the normal Myth stuff, but also to handle the transition to digital broadcasting. Thus, I need a TV card that handles DVB-T. Does anyone have recommendations for such a card that is well-supported in Linux? |
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| [16:54:00] | babyhuey: | anyone know how i can get the blue theme back? i deleted it somehow and i cant get it back, and mythtv wont load without that. i tried emerging mythtv-themes, but its not in that |
| [16:58:00] | BlueCamel: | try mythtv-themes |
| [16:58:00] | BlueCamel: | qpkg says blue is part of mythtv though |
| [16:58:00] | BlueCamel: | *shrug* |
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| [16:59:00] | babyhuey: | i just emerge mythtv. hmm that is weird |
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| [17:26:00] | ** Beirdo curses ** | |
| [17:26:00] | Beirdo: | I need GNR at work |
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| [17:31:00] | MrSpiffy: | Beirdo – Beirdo – Beirdo |
| [17:31:00] | MrSpiffy: | (hoo-hoo) |
| [17:31:00] | Beirdo: | what? |
| [17:31:00] | MrSpiffy: | hehe |
| [17:31:00] | MrSpiffy: | just a chan tin your honor |
| [17:32:00] | MrSpiffy: | thanks to you I'm addicted to mythtv |
| [17:32:00] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [17:32:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [17:32:00] | ** Beirdo still needs GNR. Aerosmith just ain't filling the need ** | |
| [17:32:00] | MrSpiffy: | blasted yum problem tih the at-rpms repository thogh is preventing me from updateing it |
| [17:33:00] | Renfield: | Hello. |
| [17:34:00] | MrSpiffy: | running version 0.18.1.20050523–1 |
| [17:34:00] | MrSpiffy: | hola Renfield |
| [17:34:00] | Renfield: | Is there any tuner card that can take Cable or Digital Sattelite input and record that? |
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| [17:35:00] | kgbudz: | i justed used nuvexport and encoded a show to xvid |
| [17:35:00] | Renfield: | Well maybe not record it, but convert it into mpeg2 or something? |
| [17:35:00] | kgbudz: | how do i play it back on windows |
| [17:35:00] | kgbudz: | i tried wmp and powerdvd |
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| [17:35:00] | kgbudz: | what drivers/codecs are needed? |
| [17:37:00] | Renfield: | I'm looking at the pchdtv HD-3000 and it says it is only for terrestrial broadcasts, and I ask what's the point in that? |
| [17:37:00] | MrSpiffy: | kgbudz, I went though this exercise looking for a quick way to export the video |
| [17:37:00] | MrSpiffy: | kgbudz, I failed |
| [17:38:00] | MrSpiffy: | kgbudz, the format isn;t really straight nupple video. the only way to get it right is to transcode it |
| [17:39:00] | kgbudz: | like i have xvid drivers installed for windows... |
| [17:39:00] | kgbudz: | should i export to divx? |
| [17:39:00] | stoffel: | kgbudz: vlc works fine for me |
| [17:39:00] | MrSpiffy: | divx5 is a good choice (depending on what you want to do with the video) |
| [17:40:00] | BlueCamel: | Renfield: I'm looking at it as well and for me that's all I plan to use it for |
| [17:40:00] | BlueCamel: | I have D* but never bought in to the HDTV channel due to lack of content |
| [17:40:00] | Renfield: | BlueCamel, You get terrestrial HDTV reception? |
| [17:41:00] | kgbudz: | stoffel, vlc? |
| [17:41:00] | BlueCamel: | However pulling in the locals for HDTV is good for the seasonal shows |
| [17:41:00] | BlueCamel: | yes. |
| [17:41:00] | ** BlueCamel is lucky to live in the Raleigh NC area which was one of the first places in the US to start transmiting HDTV ** | |
| [17:41:00] | Renfield: | The problem with terrestrial TV is that there just aren't very many channels. I get like 5. As opposed to hundreds via cable or satteliate. |
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| [17:41:00] | BlueCamel: | sure |
| [17:41:00] | BlueCamel: | but even with the D* HDTV package I think it's like 12 HD channels |
| [17:42:00] | BlueCamel: | and not all content is always HD |
| [17:42:00] | BlueCamel: | they upconvert a lot from 480i to 720p or some such |
| [17:42:00] | Beirdo: | still better than analog |
| [17:42:00] | Renfield: | Well, I just want a tuner that can tune ALL channels, and if they are HD, grab them in HD, if they are not, then grab them in whatever format they are in. |
| [17:42:00] | BlueCamel: | eh, maybe. 480i is 480i no matter if it's displayed at 480p, 720p or 1080i :) |
| [17:43:00] | Beirdo: | it has nothing to do with that, BlueCamel |
| [17:43:00] | BlueCamel: | I've heard the HD3000 does standard NTSC too |
| [17:43:00] | Beirdo: | there's nearly 0 loss in transmission when in HDTV unlike in analog |
| [17:43:00] | BlueCamel: | so you could attach it to your set top box too I suppose |
| [17:43:00] | Renfield: | Oh. |
| [17:44:00] | Renfield: | I'd like to not use a set top box. Have the cable go right into the PC. |
| [17:44:00] | BlueCamel: | would be nice. |
| [17:44:00] | Renfield: | So there isn't anything that can do that? |
| [17:44:00] | BlueCamel: | afaik if your cable operator requires a settop box then you'll require one with any capture card as well |
| [17:44:00] | BlueCamel: | depends on if the channels you want are encrypted or not |
| [17:45:00] | BlueCamel: | Simple way to tell is to plug your cable directly into the TV |
| [17:45:00] | Renfield: | What does the set top box do? |
| [17:45:00] | BlueCamel: | and tell your TV to scan the channels |
| [17:45:00] | Renfield: | Oh. |
| [17:45:00] | BlueCamel: | anything you get on your tv would be the same as what you get on the adapter |
| [17:45:00] | Renfield: | Ok. |
| [17:46:00] | Renfield: | Is there software decryption? |
| [17:46:00] | Renfield: | Maybe now I'm getting into the realm of illegal activity. |
| [17:47:00] | Beirdo: | no "maybe" about it |
| [17:47:00] | Renfield: | I just don't want to have to find the remote for the cable box to change the channel, then go back to the remote for the TV, then to the remote for the Media PC etc. |
| [17:47:00] | BlueCamel: | no software decryption for us cable |
| [17:47:00] | BlueCamel: | as I understand it there is no standard in the US for cable |
| [17:47:00] | Cardoe: | Beirdo: yo |
| [17:47:00] | BlueCamel: | and there for each provider does their own thing |
| [17:47:00] | Renfield: | I want all inputs into the PC, and all outputs to their respective devices, controlled via the PC. |
| [17:47:00] | Beirdo: | heya, Cardoe |
| [17:47:00] | Renfield: | Oh. |
| [17:48:00] | Renfield: | Ok, another question. |
| [17:49:00] | Renfield: | Say I have a Set top box, and can receive HDTV. |
| [17:49:00] | Renfield: | What format will the output from that STB be in to get from it to the HDTV TV? |
| [17:49:00] | BlueCamel: | you receive hdtv via the settop box? |
| [17:49:00] | Renfield: | Just as an example. |
| [17:49:00] | Renfield: | I don't have cable. |
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| [17:50:00] | BlueCamel: | the cable connecting your HD-STB to your TV would be either HDMI (very new), DVI, or Component. |
| [17:50:00] | kgbudz: | i just rebooted and tried like 3 different xvid drivers |
| [17:50:00] | kgbudz: | no go on playback of xvid nuvexport files |
| [17:50:00] | kgbudz: | on windows |
| [17:50:00] | kgbudz: | 2000 |
| [17:50:00] | BlueCamel: | for HDTV transmision anyway. |
| [17:50:00] | Renfield: | Oh, DVI, just like the Flatpanel displays for computers? |
| [17:50:00] | BlueCamel: | yes. |
| [17:51:00] | BlueCamel: | if your STB supports it as an output. |
| [17:51:00] | Renfield: | Ok, is there a video capture card that can capture DVI? |
| [17:51:00] | BlueCamel: | heh. I've asked the same question |
| [17:51:00] | BlueCamel: | couldn't find one. |
| [17:51:00] | Renfield: | Oh. |
| [17:51:00] | BlueCamel: | I thought about doing STB -> Component Video -> Capture Card (720p / 1080i) |
| [17:51:00] | BlueCamel: | but it doesnt' seem to exist |
| [17:51:00] | Renfield: | When the PS3 comes out it will be HDTV capable, and I want that to go through the PC before hitting the TV. |
| [17:52:00] | rjune: | anybody change the keybindings in mplayer? |
| [17:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | I altered mine to match myth |
| [17:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | certainly not all but the basics |
| [17:55:00] | RetroMan: | Renfield – or install myth on the PS3? |
| [17:55:00] | RetroMan: | it will be a very powerful machine |
| [17:58:00] | BlueCamel: | I'm currently trying to figure out the best way to do HDTV in myth |
| [17:58:00] | BlueCamel: | I only want HDTV broadcast, I don't have to worry about STBs and channel changes. |
| [17:58:00] | BlueCamel: | so the HD3000 card is a no brainer |
| [17:59:00] | BlueCamel: | but decoding those mpeg2 streams appears to be a small challange |
| [17:59:00] | BlueCamel: | 1) use xvmc + nvidia |
| [17:59:00] | Renfield: | Really? |
| [17:59:00] | BlueCamel: | 2) use xmvc + via |
| [17:59:00] | BlueCamel: | 3) use large pentium cpu 3.0GHz+ with HT |
| [17:59:00] | BlueCamel: | option 1 looks painful. |
| [18:00:00] | BlueCamel: | everywhere you look there's lots of shit about the nvidia drivers being crap |
| [18:00:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: can I get a copy of your input.conf file? |
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| [18:00:00] | BlueCamel: | option 2 is nice but only if you're going to FE/BE config it seems |
| [18:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | www.phaze.org/mythtv/input.conf |
| [18:00:00] | BlueCamel: | and option 3 could have noise / heat issues |
| [18:00:00] | Renfield: | The HD3000 doesn't decode? |
| [18:01:00] | BlueCamel: | according to the web pages the hd3000 simply takes the mepg2 stream and dumps it to your hdd |
| [18:01:00] | Renfield: | What is FE/BE? |
| [18:01:00] | BlueCamel: | front end / back end |
| [18:01:00] | Renfield: | Oh, so HDTV comes in as an mpeg2 stream? |
| [18:01:00] | BlueCamel: | from over the air (OTA) yes |
| [18:02:00] | Renfield: | Oh. |
| [18:03:00] | Renfield: | Man there is so much to learn. |
| [18:03:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: thanks |
| [18:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | Renfield: It never ends :) |
| [18:03:00] | BlueCamel: | getting an idea of the pros/cons of each setup seems to be the hard part |
| [18:03:00] | Renfield: | Maybe I just wont do HD. I'll wait till the hardware support is better. |
| [18:03:00] | Renfield: | Yea. |
| [18:04:00] | BlueCamel: | I'd like to know how well people are doing with decoding of 720p and 1080i streams and output to 720p devices |
| [18:04:00] | BlueCamel: | using nothing but software and a P4 2.8GHz w/o HT |
| [18:04:00] | BlueCamel: | I'm not sure anyone has that config though |
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| [18:21:00] | beastmcbeast: | I can't seem to tab to the "Scan for Channels" button on mythtv-setup, version 0.18.1, tab just skips right over it |
| [18:21:00] | beastmcbeast: | anyone know why this is? |
| [18:21:00] | xris: | probably because the type of card you have doesn't support that. |
| [18:21:00] | xris: | only works for dvb/atsc stuff, afaik. |
| [18:21:00] | beastmcbeast: | it isnt grayed out though |
| [18:21:00] | beastmcbeast: | oh ok |
| [18:22:00] | beastmcbeast: | it's a shame it cant scan the frequencies like xawtv's scantv |
| [18:22:00] | xris: | those should come from xmltv |
| [18:22:00] | beastmcbeast: | the frequencies?? |
| [18:22:00] | xris: | you pick your country code, etc and it should grab them. |
| [18:22:00] | beastmcbeast: | interesting |
| [18:22:00] | beastmcbeast: | ok |
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| [18:22:00] | xris: | not exactly sure how it works in the UK. |
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| [18:25:00] | blue: | I've got a problem with Zap2It... I signed up with the authorization code and everything, and I got an email confirmation, but when I try to log in it says Username not found. Unable to validate credentials. |
| [18:25:00] | blue: | Any ideas? |
| [18:29:00] | babyhuey: | are you using the right username? |
| [18:30:00] | Beirdo: | let me guess |
| [18:30:00] | Beirdo: | you went to www.zap2it.com, not labs.zap2it.com |
| [18:30:00] | babyhuey: | or that could be it |
| [18:31:00] | blue: | It's a good thing you've delt like idiots like me before. :X |
| [18:31:00] | blue: | Thanks |
| [18:32:00] | Beirdo: | hehe, not a problem :) |
| [18:38:00] | BlueCamel: | crips |
| [18:38:00] | BlueCamel: | he's doing the keynote on a 3.6P4 |
| [18:38:00] | BlueCamel: | I would be more impressed if it was a 2.x GHz chip |
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| [18:45:00] | rjune: | BlueCamel: Jobs? |
| [18:47:00] | BlueCamel: | yeah |
| [18:47:00] | BlueCamel: | mischan |
| [18:48:00] | rjune: | so Apple really is moving to Pentium chips? |
| [18:48:00] | ** Beirdo shrugs ** | |
| [18:49:00] | BlueCamel: | jobs is doing the keynote running Mac OS X on a P4 3.6GHz right now |
| [18:50:00] | kormoc: | indeed he is |
| [18:52:00] | RetroMan: | are ypu watching / listening somehow? |
| [18:52:00] | epoch: | rjune: yep |
| [18:52:00] | epoch: | http://www.apple-x.net/ |
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| [18:52:00] | rjune: | something tells me that they won't drop the prices though |
| [18:53:00] | epoch: | are you kidding? |
| [18:53:00] | epoch: | of course they will |
| [18:53:00] | epoch: | you'll be able to run osx on any intel box, afaict |
| [18:55:00] | RetroMan: | so are they confirming theyre moving to Intel *x86*? |
| [18:55:00] | RetroMan: | or is intel making a PPC chip? |
| [18:56:00] | xris: | p4 |
| [18:57:00] | xris: | just a matter of wondering if it'll still require apple ROM's, or if it'll work on whitebox hardware, too |
| [18:57:00] | RetroMan: | ya |
| [18:57:00] | epoch: | http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.html |
| [18:57:00] | epoch: | the press release |
| [18:57:00] | RetroMan: | think we'll be able to multiboot windows, linux, and macosx in the future? |
| [18:57:00] | RetroMan: | thatd be incredible |
| [19:07:00] | twisted_one: | RetroMan: yes |
| [19:07:00] | twisted_one: | =) |
| [19:07:00] | twisted_one: | but what the hell do you want windows for? |
| [19:07:00] | Beirdo: | games |
| [19:07:00] | Beirdo: | dumb question |
| [19:08:00] | brejc8: | xris: Problem is I think it will probably be white box hardware but it will use for form of DRM so you cannot install it on just any system. |
| [19:08:00] | twisted_one: | Beirdo: meh, cedega works well enough for me |
| [19:09:00] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [19:09:00] | Beirdo: | cedega is the devil |
| [19:09:00] | xris: | brejc8: that's what the apple ROM is all about. that's why you've never been able to make a mac clone. |
| [19:09:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [19:09:00] | Beirdo: | legally... |
| [19:10:00] | twisted_one: | xris: hes right, the main issue in the past has been the CPU arch |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | there have been people who've done it |
| [19:10:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, cedega is grand, not the devil! :P |
| [19:10:00] | brejc8: | Well the ROM (Bios) would be easy to crack but the DRM would be more difficult |
| [19:10:00] | xris: | the legal clones were still partly manufactured by apple... |
| [19:10:00] | Beirdo: | cedega took GPL software and obliterated the GPL licencing. they are the devil. |
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| [19:11:00] | xris: | brejc8: the ROM is protected by copyright and trademark. cracking it would be easy, but implementing it in a new system for sale would land you in jail. |
| [19:11:00] | xris: | I know, I have a friend who did it. |
| [19:11:00] | blue: | ALright, I finally got everything up and "running". However when I go to watch regular live tv its extremely slow and looks horrible. Im not realy sure whre to go from here. |
| [19:11:00] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [19:11:00] | Beirdo: | in jail my ass :) |
| [19:11:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:12:00] | xris: | Beirdo: took him two years to get acquitted. |
| [19:12:00] | Beirdo: | you can't go to jail (officially) for copyright and trademark violations |
| [19:12:00] | Beirdo: | just hugeass fines |
| [19:12:00] | Beirdo: | until recently |
| [19:12:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, http://transgaming.org/cvs/ |
| [19:12:00] | xris: | Beirdo: no, there used to be fine and/or jail time on criminal copyright infringement. they got him on counterfeiting chips, though (which he wasn't doing) |
| [19:13:00] | blue: | jail for copyright infringment i ridiculous |
| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [19:13:00] | kormoc: | there are three areas not in cvs, licenced copy protection code they legally can't release, as well as certian dx9 calls they licenced from MS they can't release. |
| [19:13:00] | kormoc: | and the third is point2play, their frontend which is given away as a subscriber perk |
| [19:13:00] | kormoc: | so how is that breaking the gpl any more then nvidia? |
| [19:13:00] | Beirdo: | which as I said... breaks GPL |
| [19:13:00] | twisted_one: | its not |
| [19:13:00] | twisted_one: | at all |
| [19:14:00] | twisted_one: | the cedega code is all there |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | they are linking non-GPL code to GPL code |
| [19:14:00] | kormoc: | as is the nvidia driver! |
| [19:14:00] | kormoc: | you can run time link non gpl code to gpl code legally! |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | the GPL code nvidia uses THEY wrote, and put in specific permission to do it |
| [19:14:00] | twisted_one: | Beirdo: same for cedega |
| [19:14:00] | Beirdo: | cedega has or at least HAD code that others wrote |
| [19:15:00] | Beirdo: | and thus had no right to make such an exception |
| [19:15:00] | twisted_one: | the only source they dont release is Point2Play and the aformentioned licensed code |
| [19:15:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, nvidia's driver runtime links to the linux kernel, and nvidia did not write that. |
| [19:15:00] | twisted_one: | Beirdo: what code? |
| [19:15:00] | xris: | any code contributed to the project before they went commercial? |
| [19:15:00] | twisted_one: | Beirdo: you can legally get all of the code for cedega |
| [19:15:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: there's always been an exception in the kernel for binary modules |
| [19:15:00] | twisted_one: | just not for Point2Play |
| [19:15:00] | Beirdo: | always |
| [19:15:00] | xris: | same reason I can't suddenly decide that nuvexport is no longer GPL |
| [19:16:00] | Beirdo: | ever since the kernel went modular |
| [19:16:00] | twisted_one: | xris: sure you can, but no one would listen =P |
| [19:16:00] | Beirdo: | xris: you could if everyone who contributed agreed |
| [19:16:00] | xris: | twisted_one: legally, I can't. I don't own all of the code. |
| [19:16:00] | Beirdo: | which ain't likely |
| [19:16:00] | twisted_one: | xris: oh, yeah legally |
| [19:16:00] | xris: | Beirdo: exactly. and I don't have a record of that, either. |
| [19:16:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, wine is the same, hence how you can plugin a binary win32 lib and use it |
| [19:16:00] | twisted_one: | I do lots of illegal things though =P |
| [19:16:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: I'm sure |
| [19:17:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, there is no issues with cedega, nor crossover office nor the other dozen or so wine binary packages out there |
| [19:17:00] | Beirdo: | sure there are |
| [19:18:00] | Beirdo: | just everyone seems to want to ignore it |
| [19:18:00] | Beirdo: | so whatever |
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| [19:18:00] | Beirdo: | I'll just use winblows for my gaming, it works better |
| [19:18:00] | twisted_one: | windows works |
| [19:18:00] | twisted_one: | HA! |
| [19:18:00] | twisted_one: | good one =P |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | it does |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | for gaming |
| [19:19:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, again, please point out the section in the Alandan Public Licence that doesn't allow this to happen. |
| [19:19:00] | twisted_one: | but yeah, i knwo what you mean |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | that's what it's for |
| [19:19:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [19:19:00] | twisted_one: | anyways, back to cleaning |
| [19:19:00] | twisted_one: | bbl |
| [19:19:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: please point out where they say in the GPL that you can relicense GPL code under that license and toss the GPL. |
| [19:20:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, At the time, wine was dual licenced as Alandain and GPL |
| [19:20:00] | Beirdo: | which means it is ALWAYS GPL |
| [19:20:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, TG forked the Alandain code base, which was allowed. |
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| [19:20:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, codeweavers forked the Alandain code base and droped the gpl code and is now on their own licence. |
| [19:20:00] | Beirdo: | good for them, doesn't make it legal |
| [19:21:00] | kormoc: | wine isn't gpl anymore, except as a project known as rewind, which kept the origional gpl. |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | then they broke the license too |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | so what? |
| [19:21:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, if I licence you some code under kormoc's licence and xris it as gpl, that doesn't mean you're now restricted by the gpl. |
| [19:21:00] | kormoc: | hence dual licencing. |
| [19:21:00] | Beirdo: | no, but if I get a copy from xris, it's GPL |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | and will be forever |
| [19:22:00] | kormoc: | indeed, but they didn't |
| [19:22:00] | kormoc: | they forked the alandain code base |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:22:00] | kormoc: | again, so no, they didn't break the gpl. |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | if it ever went to court, they'd have to prove no GPL-licensed code is in there |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | that's the problem with dual licensing |
| [19:22:00] | kormoc: | they even put their changes into gpl, into the rewind project. |
| [19:22:00] | Beirdo: | you can't easily prove it |
| [19:22:00] | kormoc: | no, one can't, but I know these guys, and they are good guys |
| [19:23:00] | kormoc: | they had a issue where someone sent them a patch to fix a issue from wine, not legal, and they removed it, and licenced it from codeweavers to make it all legit. |
| [19:23:00] | Beirdo: | that's why I will never dual-license my code |
| [19:24:00] | Beirdo: | pick ONE license and stick with it |
| [19:24:00] | nixbased: | why ever go commercial when you can make a ton by giving paid access to dev builds and support? |
| [19:25:00] | nixbased: | I mean I've worked on both and find things like the biz model Sveasoft uses can make just as much or more as commercial |
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| [19:26:00] | kormoc: | nixbased, that's what transgaming does, you subsribe for support and get their builds and extra little helping programs |
| [19:26:00] | Beirdo: | you pay them to uncripple software, effectively :) |
| [19:26:00] | ** Beirdo is being an ass, but you see the point ** | |
| [19:26:00] | kormoc: | well, they can't just give away licenced code now can they? :P |
| [19:27:00] | Beirdo: | sure they can |
| [19:27:00] | kormoc: | each copy downloaded costs them money |
| [19:27:00] | nixbased: | ya its a good biz model its also the 1 were going to release our stuff under for myth its legal under GPL and everyones happy |
| [19:27:00] | kormoc: | so if it was totaolly free, it would bankrupt them in a few hours |
| [19:27:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: yeah, doesn't make it any less disgusting to us purists :) |
| [19:28:00] | nixbased: | Beirdo the method I mentioned is pure |
| [19:28:00] | nixbased: | it was actually Richard Stallmans idea |
| [19:28:00] | kormoc: | Beirdo, well, I rather enjoy my games in linux with a little bit 'less pure' code then on windows with a 'hell of a lot less pure' code :P |
| [19:28:00] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [19:29:00] | Beirdo: | over half the games I play will never be in Linux |
| [19:29:00] | nixbased: | why not? |
| [19:29:00] | Beirdo: | because there's no financial purpose to port them |
| [19:29:00] | kormoc: | sure, but do they run on cedega? 50/50 shot likly |
| [19:29:00] | nixbased: | theres not always financial purpose to make an emulator work with em |
| [19:30:00] | Beirdo: | who cares if cedega will work on them or not, I'll use Windows and not have to fight them |
| [19:30:00] | nixbased: | not everything ive coded makes me $$ i do it for a challenge |
| [19:30:00] | Beirdo: | if it doesn't work, I can call up and say "your game fucking sucks and won't work" |
| [19:33:00] | nixbased: | "yeah, doesn't make it any less disgusting to us purists :)" ", I'll use Windows" |
| [19:33:00] | nixbased: | I am now confused lol |
| [19:33:00] | Beirdo: | if I use Windows, I'm not breaking GPL with some half-assed emulator |
| [19:33:00] | Beirdo: | ;) |
| [19:34:00] | Beirdo: | the games were designed for Windows, using Windows is the most foolproof way to play them |
| [19:34:00] | nixbased: | no but your using code you can not view which a purest doesnt do....stallman is #1 purest lol |
| [19:34:00] | Beirdo: | Stallman's a fucking dork |
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| [19:34:00] | nixbased: | i agree but a smart 1 none the less |
| [19:34:00] | Beirdo: | I don't care what code runs the games, I just want to play them |
| [19:35:00] | Beirdo: | without fucking around to get them to play |
| [19:35:00] | Beirdo: | hence, use Windoes |
| [19:35:00] | Beirdo: | and when they don't work, I can throw a hissy fit at the retards that wrote it :) |
| [19:35:00] | nixbased: | I'm not gonna play religion wars but ill just say we have different views on that |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | it's not a view |
| [19:36:00] | kormoc: | it is indeed |
| [19:36:00] | nixbased: | yes it is its a view on what a purest is |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | I'm not gonna fight with an emulator when I have what you are trying to emulate |
| [19:36:00] | Beirdo: | I think it's silly to do |
| [19:36:00] | kormoc: | you're still stuck on cedega breaking the gpl when you can't even point out a single line of code that really will |
| [19:37:00] | Beirdo: | even if they are pure code, etc... it's still better to run Winblows games in Winblows |
| [19:37:00] | nixbased: | its like SCO trying to pinpoint a line in Linux that violates their licensing lol |
| [19:38:00] | nixbased: | it doesnt seem smart for me to install bloatware just to play a game or 2 |
| [19:38:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:38:00] | Beirdo: | whatever. |
| [19:38:00] | Beirdo: | or 30 or 40 |
| [19:38:00] | RetroMan: | are we bashing windows? |
| [19:38:00] | Beirdo: | plus my film scanner is Winblows only |
| [19:38:00] | RetroMan: | windows is necessary for more than just games |
| [19:38:00] | RetroMan: | Adobe anyone? |
| [19:38:00] | nixbased: | no were just saying purest is someone who preaches FOSS only |
| [19:39:00] | Beirdo: | and KDE is bloatware too, an I bet you use that, nixbased |
| [19:39:00] | nixbased: | I use fluxbox |
| [19:39:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:39:00] | nixbased: | and command line |
| [19:39:00] | twisted_one: | command line is bloatware =P |
| [19:39:00] | nixbased: | lol |
| [19:39:00] | twisted_one: | full of extra commands you will never use |
| [19:39:00] | twisted_one: | ^_^ |
| [19:39:00] | Beirdo: | Windows has its uses, and those who can't see that are just being ornery |
| [19:40:00] | twisted_one: | it does |
| [19:40:00] | twisted_one: | it keeps stupid people happy, which I like |
| [19:40:00] | twisted_one: | =) |
| [19:40:00] | nixbased: | depends on the user i agree to some ppl it has uses to me it doesnt |
| [19:40:00] | Beirdo: | one of which is to be the object of ridicule |
| [19:40:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:40:00] | Beirdo: | another is to play games |
| [19:40:00] | Beirdo: | and another to use devices that aren't supported at all in Linux and never will be |
| [19:40:00] | RetroMan: | windows itself is terrible, but a lot of great software unfortunately only runs in windows |
| [19:40:00] | twisted_one: | and another is to create an entire industry around virus / spyware removal/prevention |
| [19:41:00] | nixbased: | my father in law is a windows dev so i know a lil about windows i also have a friend that works for gates |
| [19:41:00] | Beirdo: | oh, but of course :) |
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| [19:41:00] | twisted_one: | freaking great |
| [19:42:00] | twisted_one: | appears that my ivtv driver is borked, no idea how that happened |
| [19:42:00] | twisted_one: | root@mythril downloads # modprobe ivtv |
| [19:42:00] | twisted_one: | FATAL: Error inserting ivtv (/lib/modules/2.6.11-gentoo-r9/ivtv/ivtv.ko): Invalid module format |
| [19:42:00] | twisted_one: | any idea what would cause that? |
| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | gentoo, of course |
| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:42:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [19:42:00] | twisted_one: | seriously though |
| [19:42:00] | twisted_one: | I upgraded gcc to 3.4.4 and some c++ libs as well |
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| [19:42:00] | Beirdo: | meh, you overwrote it with some shit? |
| [19:43:00] | twisted_one: | and new kernel, hrmm prolly |
| [19:43:00] | Beirdo: | oh duh |
| [19:43:00] | Beirdo: | that was smart |
| [19:43:00] | twisted_one: | meh, easy enough to reinstall |
| [19:43:00] | twisted_one: | I think |
| [19:43:00] | Beirdo: | have fun re-emerging world |
| [19:43:00] | twisted_one: | lol, no |
| [19:43:00] | twisted_one: | everythings fine |
| [19:43:00] | twisted_one: | just the driver |
| [19:43:00] | twisted_one: | I didnt overwrite anything |
| [19:43:00] | twisted_one: | you're one hateful man =P |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | if you change GCC versions, you often will have to recompile tons of shit |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | especially kernel-related |
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| [19:44:00] | twisted_one: | it was 3.4.x to 3.4.4 |
| [19:44:00] | twisted_one: | so its not a major change |
| [19:44:00] | Beirdo: | you hope |
| [19:45:00] | Beirdo: | reemerge ivtv, see if it gets fixed |
| [19:45:00] | twisted_one: | meh, Im not using portage for it |
| [19:45:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, you don't need to reemerge world for that jump. |
| [19:45:00] | twisted_one: | I wrote my own install script |
| [19:45:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: I know =) |
| [19:45:00] | kormoc: | why not write your own ebuild? :P |
| [19:45:00] | Beirdo: | OK, try recompiling and reinstalling ivtv |
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| [19:46:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: never learned now, at least not yet =P |
| [19:46:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: plus the script is quite simple enough |
| [19:46:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, ebuilds are quite simple too |
| [19:46:00] | twisted_one: | then again, Im sure the ebuild would be as well |
| [19:46:00] | twisted_one: | so I have seen |
| [19:46:00] | Beirdo: | if there's something wrong with the file, regenerate it |
| [19:46:00] | Beirdo: | not that hard a concept |
| [19:46:00] | Cardoe: | hmm |
| [19:46:00] | Cardoe: | I totally passed out here |
| [19:46:00] | Cardoe: | :-D |
| [19:46:00] | twisted_one: | Beirdo: yeah, doing that now |
| [19:46:00] | Cardoe: | at my desk |
| [19:46:00] | Cardoe: | that sucked |
| [19:46:00] | twisted_one: | Cardoe: it happens |
| [19:46:00] | Beirdo: | way to go, Cardoe :) |
| [19:46:00] | twisted_one: | do you have keys imprinted on your face? |
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| [19:47:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [19:47:00] | twisted_one: | wow |
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| [19:47:00] | Beirdo: | you got to miss me dissing gentoo needlessly :) |
| [19:47:00] | twisted_one: | I have the script automaticaly modprobe the driver |
| [19:47:00] | Cardoe: | thx Beirdo |
| [19:47:00] | twisted_one: | and I left myth waiting for it (viewing a blank screen and the TV just kicked in, thats nice) |
| [19:47:00] | kormoc: | don't forget the unfounded dissing of cedega/wine/rewind/crossover/etc |
| [19:47:00] | twisted_one: | yeah |
| [19:47:00] | twisted_one: | that went on forever |
| [19:47:00] | Beirdo: | bah |
| [19:47:00] | twisted_one: | i ate and cleaned |
| [19:47:00] | Beirdo: | you all suck |
| [19:47:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:47:00] | twisted_one: | came back and you were still at it |
| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | I let it go, you guys just kept going |
| [19:48:00] | twisted_one: | not ot mention I argued it for 20 mins before i left |
| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [19:48:00] | twisted_one: | im not done yet =P |
| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | sure you are |
| [19:48:00] | kormoc: | tis what one gets when one argues about a project one cars about :P |
| [19:48:00] | twisted_one: | only because im lazy |
| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | kormoc: you're just trolling :) or being trolled :) |
| [19:48:00] | twisted_one: | cares cars, same thing =P |
| [19:48:00] | Beirdo: | cedega is the devil |
| [19:48:00] | ** Beirdo runs ** | |
| [19:48:00] | kormoc: | gah |
| [19:49:00] | ** twisted_one likes the devil ** | |
| [19:49:00] | ** Beirdo hands twisted_one a goat ** | |
| [19:49:00] | kormoc: | I've written code in the devil! |
| [19:49:00] | ** twisted_one pets the goat ** | |
| [19:49:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: wow, thats a unique claim. |
| [19:50:00] | twisted_one: | bah |
| [19:50:00] | twisted_one: | i hate going to show off something and it breaks |
| [19:50:00] | twisted_one: | aka what just happened |
| [19:50:00] | twisted_one: | hey chekc out I can wathc two channels at once |
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| [19:50:00] | twisted_one: | and I got two blank screens |
| [19:50:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [19:50:00] | twisted_one: | oh well |
| [19:51:00] | twisted_one: | not as bad as Bill Gates showing us USB ebfore a large live audience and gets a BSOD =P |
| [19:51:00] | blue: | For some reason I'm not getting any sound.. The sound works if I use Tvtime.. But when I run mythtv I get nothing. |
| [19:51:00] | ** Beirdo points at the docs ** | |
| [19:52:00] | mirak: | does somebody have a Lian Li V1000 PC0 case ? |
| [19:52:00] | twisted_one: | anyways, more cleaning or somethign |
| [19:52:00] | kormoc: | I have a lian li pc-61 case :) |
| [19:52:00] | twisted_one: | mirak: is that an htpc case? |
| [19:52:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: me too, well a 60 |
| [19:52:00] | mirak: | htpc ? |
| [19:52:00] | twisted_one: | I love LianLi cases |
| [19:52:00] | twisted_one: | Hometheatre pc |
| [19:52:00] | mirak: | does somebody have a Lian Li V1000 case ? |
| [19:52:00] | mirak: | remove PC0 |
| [19:52:00] | mirak: | !=) |
| [19:53:00] | JonK: | I have the shuttle soldham designed case — very pretty but about as noisy as garbage disposal |
| [19:53:00] | twisted_one: | ah, yeah, the clone of the g5 case |
| [19:53:00] | twisted_one: | looks very nice |
| [19:53:00] | mirak: | yes |
| [19:53:00] | twisted_one: | and LianLi has always made QUALITY products |
| [19:53:00] | cyberknet: | aaah. |
| [19:53:00] | mirak: | the I am only afraid about noise |
| [19:53:00] | cyberknet: | Nice to have ssh back. |
| [19:53:00] | mirak: | -the |
| [19:53:00] | twisted_one: | some thought I was crazy when I dropped 250 for my PC60 years ago |
| [19:54:00] | mirak: | 250 potatoes ? |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | you were :) |
| [19:54:00] | twisted_one: | mirak: I think you can just run some 120mm fans on low speeds and get massive airflow with that one |
| [19:54:00] | JonK: | big sack |
| [19:54:00] | JonK: | made thud |
| [19:54:00] | kormoc: | mirak, you could always replace/remove some fans/switch to water cooling if it's loud. |
| [19:54:00] | mirak: | twisted_one: I am afraid about noise, because the box have lot of little holes |
| [19:54:00] | Beirdo: | then you can be worried about leaks |
| [19:54:00] | mirak: | I am afraid of hard drive noise |
| [19:54:00] | twisted_one: | mirak: ah, yeah |
| [19:54:00] | mirak: | or cpu fan |
| [19:55:00] | twisted_one: | meh, if your drives are loud then yeah |
| [19:55:00] | twisted_one: | my CPU fan is not loud at all |
| [19:55:00] | ** cyberknet preaches sonata without checking what the topic is ** | |
| [19:55:00] | twisted_one: | LOL |
| [19:55:00] | mirak: | however my neigbourg have a G5 |
| [19:55:00] | Beirdo: | Sonata rules |
| [19:55:00] | mirak: | with little holes in the box |
| [19:55:00] | twisted_one: | I just read the topic for the first time... |
| [19:55:00] | mirak: | but it doesn't makes any noise |
| [19:55:00] | twisted_one: | Please don't be a dumbass! Dammit! |
| [19:55:00] | twisted_one: | I like that rule |
| [19:55:00] | JonK: | i should check if the fan, drive, or video card fan |
| [19:55:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:55:00] | JonK: | is making all the noise |
| [19:55:00] | mirak: | twisted_one: drives are not loud, but I dislike bright noise |
| [19:56:00] | Beirdo: | we get enough dumbasses around here, that's for sure |
| [19:56:00] | mirak: | aigus ? |
| [19:56:00] | twisted_one: | bright noise? |
| [19:56:00] | blue: | I have checked the docs.. I tried setting up thought the command line.. however |
| [19:56:00] | blue: | amixer set Capture,0 100%,100% captur |
| [19:56:00] | twisted_one: | I was one at first, but meh, in two days I ahve learned alot and think I am no longer |
| [19:56:00] | blue: | didnt work |
| [19:56:00] | kormoc: | mirak, the g5 is watercooled, hence the quietness |
| [19:56:00] | mirak: | in fact I already have a simple anti noise solution. I use 5 meter cables for vga and USB |
| [19:56:00] | Beirdo: | go into alsamixer (or whatever it's called) and tweak by hand, blue |
| [19:57:00] | mirak: | so I can put the box even in an other room |
| [19:57:00] | JonK: | what do i need to do to install mythfrontend after compiling from source? |
| [19:57:00] | mirak: | kormoc: it's not watercooled |
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| [19:57:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: its not |
| [19:57:00] | twisted_one: | silly boy |
| [19:57:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [19:57:00] | mirak: | lol |
| [19:57:00] | kormoc: | no? I really recall that the g5's are |
| [19:57:00] | twisted_one: | nope |
| [19:57:00] | twisted_one: | that would be ncie though, but no |
| [19:57:00] | twisted_one: | then again |
| [19:57:00] | twisted_one: | watercooling is virtually obsolete |
| [19:58:00] | twisted_one: | or soon will be |
| [19:58:00] | JonK: | immersion in mineral oil? |
| [19:58:00] | kormoc: | packs so much power into tight quarters that Apple designed a liquid cooling system for it, |
| [19:58:00] | twisted_one: | thats nice, but no |
| [19:58:00] | kormoc: | http://www.apple.com/powermac/ |
| [19:58:00] | twisted_one: | the new liquid metal heat pipes are freakin nice |
| [19:58:00] | Beirdo: | I'd hate to see the failure mode on that |
| [19:59:00] | ** kormoc points out to twisted_one and mirak that apple claims it's watercooled :P ** | |
| [19:59:00] | Beirdo: | spew liquid hot metal everywhere |
| [19:59:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: thats for the extreme high ends and im pretty sure thats just a heatpipe |
| [19:59:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: liquid, not water, im pretty sure its just a heatpipe |
| [19:59:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, it's not, and it's for every g5 I've seen. |
| [19:59:00] | twisted_one: | oh |
| [19:59:00] | twisted_one: | meh, nice |
| [19:59:00] | twisted_one: | =) |
| [19:59:00] | mirak: | it's not water cooling, I think it's called caloduc |
| [19:59:00] | mirak: | caleoduc or something |
| [19:59:00] | twisted_one: | Im a fan of apple they make quality products and a good OS |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | their industrial design is sweet |
| [20:00:00] | twisted_one: | I just dont have the money for it |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | so stop buying crack :) |
| [20:00:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:00:00] | blue: | Beirdo: there is no "Capture" setting in alsmixer |
| [20:00:00] | kormoc: | blue, hit f3 |
| [20:01:00] | Beirdo: | blue: then there has to be another way. I don't use ALSA, so someone else will need to help |
| [20:01:00] | mirak: | kormoc: ok you were right :D |
| [20:01:00] | kormoc: | :) |
| [20:02:00] | blue: | Hmmm.. ok so I went into QAMix and it had a Capture section.. only it was completly blank... |
| [20:02:00] | mirak: | only weakness is that it's only PCI express |
| [20:03:00] | rjune: | what's wrong with pci express? |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | PCI express is a *weakness* now?! |
| [20:03:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [20:03:00] | twisted_one: | no |
| [20:03:00] | twisted_one: | thats its ONLY PCI express |
| [20:03:00] | kormoc: | it is when you want to reuse a video card |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | oh! |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | so you can't put say PVR250 in there |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | gotcha |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | that's a weakness |
| [20:03:00] | twisted_one: | yeah |
| [20:03:00] | twisted_one: | but most still have PCI |
| [20:03:00] | Beirdo: | for now |
| [20:03:00] | twisted_one: | thinking more of AGP being replaced |
| [20:04:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, PCI express is nice, but you do need legacy PCI slots :) |
| [20:05:00] | twisted_one: | yeah, for now |
| [20:05:00] | twisted_one: | itd be nice if they could somehow create a bridge adapter sort of thing which would be cheap to produce |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [20:05:00] | twisted_one: | but that'd most likley throw off the backplate connector |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | heh. |
| [20:05:00] | Beirdo: | true |
| [20:06:00] | kormoc: | http://www.plxtech.com/products/pci_express/PEX8111/default.asp |
| [20:06:00] | kormoc: | there ya go, just a 'little' work and you got your wish |
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| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | that's a chip only, smartass :) |
| [20:06:00] | kormoc: | hence needing just a 'little' work :P |
| [20:06:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:06:00] | kernoman: | anyone have any tips on how to improve the TV out from my nvidia card? im finding that it looks like soft focus and colours are washed out |
| [20:07:00] | Beirdo: | buy a better card? |
| [20:07:00] | JonK: | what would you suggest? |
| [20:07:00] | cyberknet: | kormoc: How about we get into business and make that converter? =P" |
| [20:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | kernoman: I had that problem on my onboard GF4 MX440, so I went out an bought a different one and it looks perfect |
| [20:07:00] | Beirdo: | I think that's a common problem with lower-end video out |
| [20:07:00] | cyberknet: | kormoc: I'll do the management, you write the driver. |
| [20:07:00] | laga: | kernoman: try nvidia-settomgs |
| [20:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | some of the cards use cheaper componets |
| [20:07:00] | kernoman: | its an fx5200 |
| [20:07:00] | laga: | kernoman: sorry. nvidia-settings |
| [20:07:00] | kormoc: | kernoman, DigitalVibrance may help the colors |
| [20:08:00] | kormoc: | cyberknet, nah, it's a dead end buisness :P |
| [20:08:00] | kernoman: | is the tvout on a fx5200 better or worse than a geforce 3 ti ? |
| [20:08:00] | Beirdo: | it may just be crappy components on the board |
| [20:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | kernoman: It varies based on who made the card. Not all fx5200's are identical |
| [20:08:00] | kernoman: | tried nvidia settings, still looked soft focus, how do you restore or even save the settigns in that program? |
| [20:08:00] | kormoc: | kernoman, overall, likly better, but no garentee |
| [20:08:00] | cyberknet: | kormoc: well, it was a good offer =P" |
| [20:09:00] | kormoc: | hehe, for you :P |
| [20:09:00] | kernoman: | nads I really was hoping to use my nvidia card rather tan tv out from the 350 as that is so buggy |
| [20:09:00] | Beirdo: | you can |
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| [20:10:00] | Beirdo: | but it might suck quality-wise |
| [20:10:00] | cyberknet: | kormoc: Well... he who speaks first... =P" |
| [20:10:00] | JonK: | I'm using the 350 out — once it works, the picture is quite nice — but I do have the server overscan |
| [20:10:00] | Beirdo: | on many of those boards, TV-out is an afterthought |
| [20:10:00] | JonK: | er... severe |
| [20:11:00] | cyberknet: | You know who is making some nice KVM switches these days? Aten. |
| [20:11:00] | kernoman: | i have it looking perfect using the 350 but i get blank screens when going from the EPG to live TV etc and I cant play Divx or DVDs so i thought I would give the nvidia card a tonk |
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| [20:11:00] | JonK: | compiling question: after building the whole thing, how to install? "make install" appeared to not be enough |
| [20:11:00] | cyberknet: | a usable VGA, and DVI port for each pc, and full USB with a switched USB hub too. |
| [20:12:00] | cyberknet: | now there is a nice kvm. |
| [20:12:00] | ** Beirdo KVMs cyberknet ** | |
| [20:13:00] | ** cyberknet LARTs Beirdo ** | |
| [20:14:00] | kernoman: | JonK: do you get a black screenw hen going from the EPG back to live tv? |
| [20:14:00] | ** laga DOES homework+ ** | |
| [20:14:00] | cyberknet: | that clubie becomes you, you know =) |
| [20:14:00] | JonK: | EPG? |
| [20:14:00] | kernoman: | the tv guide |
| [20:14:00] | cyberknet: | electronic program guide |
| [20:14:00] | JonK: | ah... |
| [20:14:00] | kernoman: | thats the boy |
| [20:15:00] | kernoman: | ....??? |
| [20:15:00] | JonK: | have not really used the on screen guide (at least the transparent overlay) |
| [20:15:00] | JonK: | so I don't know right off -- |
| [20:15:00] | JonK: | I've played DVD's |
| [20:15:00] | kernoman: | are you near your box :) |
| [20:15:00] | cyberknet: | I prefer IOPGIEF though. |
| [20:15:00] | JonK: | define "near" |
| [20:15:00] | blue: | Ok, so when I unmute Line I get sound, however its a second or so off. If I also hit record then its right on.. unfortunalty I still hear the other sound which is a second off as well. If I then try to mute the Line then I get no sound again. |
| [20:15:00] | kernoman: | as in can you test it for me now please :) |
| [20:15:00] | JonK: | I can see the building it's in from my office window\ |
| [20:16:00] | kernoman: | hehe i take that as a no then :) |
| [20:16:00] | ** Beirdo slaps cyberknet with a salmon ** | |
| [20:16:00] | kernoman: | can you play doivx or xvids through it without it being jerky |
| [20:16:00] | cyberknet: | interactive online program guide in electronic format. |
| [20:17:00] | cyberknet: | the iOPGIeF |
| [20:17:00] | JonK: | also still have not really tried, I'm still trying to get other things fully configured |
| [20:17:00] | ** cyberknet eats the salmon on some saltines ** | |
| [20:17:00] | JonK: | hell, getting the X server to output to the 350 was pain enough for a while |
| [20:17:00] | Beirdo: | mmm, smoked salmon |
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| [20:17:00] | kernoman: | true |
| [20:18:00] | kormoc: | Mmm... Saltines... |
| [20:18:00] | maniacxs: | does somebody knows if mytht's "use on air guide" works? |
| [20:18:00] | kormoc: | Mmm... Salmon Sushi... |
| [20:18:00] | BlueCamel: | anyone here streaming HDTV (720p/1080i) across a 10/100 lan from the backend to the front end? |
| [20:18:00] | cyberknet: | Beirdo: gack. having trouble finding a website that explains the bad karma involved with daisychaining UPS :| |
| [20:18:00] | Beirdo: | I can't remember where I read it anymore |
| [20:19:00] | Beirdo: | but it's not smart. just the conversion loss alone should be enough reason |
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| [20:20:00] | cyberknet: | aha. found a link on the ups maker APC website. |
| [20:20:00] | blue: | Why wont it let me "record" on Line when its muted? |
| [20:21:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:21:00] | flithm: | hey everyone... just want to let everyone know that I've released a program called Gizmo Daemon which may be of interest to anyone here with an RF remote (specifically the ATI X10). It fixes the super touchiness of it, gives full remapping of all the keys, allows per application mapping (ie mythfrontend can have a map, so can mplayer, etc). Check it out: http://gizmod.sourceforge.net |
| [20:21:00] | Beirdo: | that's likely where I saw it |
| [20:21:00] | Beirdo: | he |
| [20:21:00] | Beirdo: | flithm: we're happy for you :) |
| [20:22:00] | Beirdo: | hopefully people find it useful :) |
| [20:22:00] | flithm: | Beirdo, thanks :) I just wanted to let people know. thought if anyone could use it, people in here would be good candidates |
| [20:23:00] | cyberknet: | Beirdo: something about step increasing sine waves put out by the first UPS indicating bad power to the second UPS and them both discharging together. |
| [20:23:00] | Beirdo: | that could be it too :) |
| [20:23:00] | Beirdo: | it's bad, mmkay? |
| [20:23:00] | cyberknet: | Beirdo: alone with "no increased wattage" but that wouldn't matter for me as I wouldn't be increasing my wattage. But number 1 would be the reason why I would not do that then. |
| [20:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | flithm: Cool. I modified the ati_remote.c module to support my niveus and mapp all of the keys, and of course deal with the touchiness of the keys |
| [20:25:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'll have to take a look at what you have there |
| [20:26:00] | blue: | Why wont it let me "record" on Line when its muted? |
| [20:27:00] | flithm: | GreyFoxx, nice that's awesome. I guess which ever way works :o). Gizmo Daemon does a bunch of stuff so it's probably a little more complex than simply patching a kernel module. It support a bunch of other devices, like USB Dial's and stuff. Also can use it to allow the remote to directly control system volume, has XOSD support and more. definitely check it out, I'd love to hear feedback and comments and stuff. |
| [20:27:00] | kernoman: | anyone know how i can create modeline for my 100hz tv ? |
| [20:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | Nifty. I use this to only simulate key/mouse events from that remote. the driver handles several of the ATI X10 based remotes. |
| [20:28:00] | twisted_one: | kernoman: use gok? |
| [20:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | I don't personally bother with varied actions based on application, though I can see how that would be handy |
| [20:28:00] | kernoman: | never heard of it |
| [20:29:00] | JonK: | is the snapstream firefly an ATI x10 remote? |
| [20:29:00] | twisted_one: | kernoman: sorry my bad |
| [20:29:00] | twisted_one: | kernoman: bah, im looking for the command |
| [20:29:00] | kernoman: | twisted_one: what use is gok – Gnome onscreen Keyboard – whats that got to do with modelines? |
| [20:30:00] | twisted_one: | its something like that |
| [20:30:00] | twisted_one: | one second |
| [20:30:00] | kernoman: | k |
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| [20:30:00] | GreyFoxx: | Woo, time to go home |
| [20:30:00] | twisted_one: | kernoman: gtf |
| [20:31:00] | twisted_one: | =) |
| [20:31:00] | kernoman: | ok having a look now thanks |
| [20:31:00] | flithm: | GreyFoxx, yeah i don't actually use it all that much for the remotes, comes in real handy for the Dial though. I can scroll firefox with it if firefox is active, or use it to control the volume if other stuff is open. |
| [20:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've been thinking of picking up a griffin for volumem, or a VFD/volume bay insert |
| [20:32:00] | blue: | Why wont it let me "record" on Line when its muted? |
| [20:32:00] | kernoman: | twisted_one: whats its full name cant find it under gtf |
| [20:32:00] | flithm: | GreyFoxx, they're very cool. I even got Gizmo Daemon worked out so that it can visualize stuff on the Griffin's LED like XMMS sound output, cpu usage, and stuff like that :) |
| [20:32:00] | kernoman: | ignore me i found it :) |
| [20:34:00] | GreyFoxx: | flithm: I've been thinking of picking up one of these cases, and am curious about the optional VFD/media kit they mention. But so far I can't find any info on it http://www.thermaltake.com/xaserCase/tenor/black/black.htm |
| [20:35:00] | GreyFoxx: | oh well, time to go home, later :) |
| [20:35:00] | flithm: | GreyFoxx, Nice... that's pretty click. I did the soft blue glow :) |
| [20:35:00] | flithm: | click = slick |
| [20:35:00] | flithm: | did = dig |
| [20:35:00] | flithm: | damn |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | home? |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | someone's slacking :) |
| [20:36:00] | maniacxs: | mythbackend with debug all on, saying: "SIParser: ... eit_present=1 ..." and "SIScan#0: Updating Services" does this mean, it tries to get epg over air ? |
| [20:39:00] | flithm: | programming guide info over the air? is that what it's doing? |
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| [20:45:00] | yakman: | aye |
| [20:45:00] | Beirdo: | carumba |
| [20:45:00] | ** Beirdo wishes he didn't have to work for a living ** | |
| [20:46:00] | laga: | you tell me |
| [20:46:00] | T0mW: | Beirdo: would you know who I could send a patch to for nuvexport? |
| [20:46:00] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [20:46:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:47:00] | ** Beirdo points at xris ** | |
| [20:47:00] | T0mW: | cool, how can I submit it? |
| [20:47:00] | T0mW: | ok, then I'll contact xris when he is around |
| [20:47:00] | T0mW: | oh |
| [20:47:00] | T0mW: | xris: ping |
| [20:47:00] | Beirdo: | use https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/ |
| [20:48:00] | Beirdo: | was just doublechecking the URL before hitting enter |
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| [20:51:00] | RetroMan: | anybody here use the haup250? |
| [20:52:00] | Beirdo: | nope, just the Hauppauge PVR250 |
| [20:52:00] | RetroMan: | good enough ;) |
| [20:52:00] | RetroMan: | do you like the remote that it comes with? |
| [20:53:00] | Beirdo: | I don't use it |
| [20:53:00] | RetroMan: | you bought another one? or you have a wireless keyboard? |
| [20:54:00] | Beirdo: | I have 3 PVR-250s... and I use an IR keyboard |
| [20:54:00] | RetroMan: | wow :) cool |
| [20:55:00] | ananke: | i'm looking through the mailing lists, etc, and i can't seem to find a similar problem to the one i experience. 0.18 worked fine with imdb searches, 0.18.1 causes x to freeze and cpu usage is spiked. |
| [20:56:00] | ananke: | i'm wondering what this can be attributed to |
| [20:56:00] | j-rod: | something else you changed, because there were absolutely zero changes to that part of the code in the 0.18.1 release. :) |
| [20:56:00] | ananke: | j-rod : that's what i'm thinking :) |
| [20:57:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:57:00] | j-rod: | the actual lookup is done via perl, so maybe a changed perl module? |
| [20:57:00] | ananke: | what stomps me is that everything else is working fine, i can even see in the logs that it returns multiple results for a search, but there is never a new window drawn |
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| [20:57:00] | j-rod: | huh |
| [20:58:00] | ananke: | nope, perl hasn't changed. what has changed was x, kernel, glibc, and mythtv :) |
| [20:58:00] | maniacxs: | ananke: x config? |
| [20:58:00] | ananke: | and the video driver too, i dumped the latest nvidia one on it |
| [20:58:00] | ananke: | maniacxs : that hasn't changed. |
| [20:58:00] | blue: | How do I find out what version of ALSA im using? |
| [20:58:00] | ananke: | so now i'm trying to figure out how to trace this problem |
| [20:59:00] | ananke: | blue, drivers or tools? |
| [20:59:00] | blue: | drivers |
| [20:59:00] | blue: | I think |
| [20:59:00] | rtsai: | why do people always change like 50 things at once and then wonder why it's so hard to figure out what caused the breakage? |
| [20:59:00] | ananke: | blue, rpm -qa | grep -i alsa |
| [20:59:00] | rjune: | rtsai: scientific method |
| [20:59:00] | ananke: | rtsai : because it's hard to update only one thing at the same time. |
| [21:00:00] | maniacxs: | ananke:i had a problem with x (high cpu usage) sometimes it happened. (while tv, music, menus) tried http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/XF86Config-4.3-Nvidia and it worked fine. think it was something in config |
| [21:00:00] | T0mW: | Beirdo, xris : ticket entered with patch code |
| [21:00:00] | Beirdo: | thanks |
| [21:01:00] | T0mW: | np |
| [21:01:00] | ananke: | maniacxs : i've seen somet option causing some probloems for people. by the way, what driver are you using? |
| [21:02:00] | blue: | This is driving me insane!! Why won't this thing let me set capture on line if its muted? |
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| [21:02:00] | maniacxs: | ananke: 1.0.7174 |
| [21:03:00] | ananke: | hmm, that's what i'm also using. i'll try to drop to the previous driver and see if that helps |
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| [21:03:00] | maniacxs: | ananke: it is working fine for me. have you tried the config at phaze.org? |
| [21:03:00] | maniacxs: | ananke: or try the new driver :) |
| [21:03:00] | ananke: | maniacxs : i'm comparing it with mine right now |
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| [21:08:00] | blue: | Can anyone tell me why I cant both mute and record the Line? |
| [21:09:00] | kormoc: | you can mute in playback (f2) but not in capture(f3) |
| [21:09:00] | ananke: | maniacxs : nope, it wasn't the config |
| [21:10:00] | blue: | kormoc: What mixer is that in? |
| [21:11:00] | blue: | alsamixer? |
| [21:11:00] | blue: | Becasue f2 doesn't work for me... |
| [21:12:00] | maniacxs: | ananke:it's a pity |
| [21:12:00] | ananke: | maniacxs : i'll find it, eventually :) |
| [21:15:00] | kormoc: | blue, yeah, alsamixer, f2 is the playback controls, which it defaults to when you start it up, f3 switches to the capture controls |
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| [21:16:00] | blue: | Ok. For me f3 is Playback (f2 is just information), and f4 is capture..only in capture everything is just blank... |
| [21:16:00] | blue: | Is this a big problem? |
| [21:18:00] | kormoc: | well |
| [21:18:00] | kormoc: | one will say line in |
| [21:18:00] | kormoc: | you need to have it be the capture device |
| [21:18:00] | kormoc: | I beleive you select it with space |
| [21:18:00] | blue: | Right, I do that.. then I try to mute it and I dont get any sound.. |
| [21:18:00] | kormoc: | and then set the capture volume up a bit and make sure it's unmuted |
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| [21:19:00] | blue: | wait.. are we in playback or capture? |
| [21:19:00] | kormoc: | there's a capture volume bar in there, make sure it's set to capture too. |
| [21:19:00] | kormoc: | capture |
| [21:21:00] | blue: | Ok, so im in playback and I have line set to capture and I have it unmuted. I hear the audio in sync, but I also hear the regular audio thats a few second ahead. I try to mute line and I get no audio. When I go into capture it wont let me turn anything up |
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| [21:28:00] | Ryushin: | Anyone have a few minutes to talk about mythtv's capabilities and hardware that can be used with it. I've been planning on building a serious enterainment device, and nows the time to figure out which path I want to take. I do NOT want to use windows if I can help it. I've been using linux since '93 and I don't plan to switch. |
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| [21:31:00] | maniacxs: | how does epg over air work? does myth fetch it on its own? |
| [21:31:00] | cygdev: | yeah it works and myth fetches it on its own |
| [21:32:00] | maniacxs: | cygdev: here it does not :( |
| [21:33:00] | maniacxs: | i have no idea how to get it to work. i used some time tv_grab_dvb. but i wanted to switch to myth's ability |
| [21:34:00] | maniacxs: | in database i have useonairgude=1 and xmltvid=SERVICEID.dvb.guide is this everything i need? |
| [21:35:00] | T0mW: | hmm, looks like imdb.com changed their page format, imdb.pl won't find posters |
| [21:37:00] | BlueCamel: | I think I saw someone on the list mention a patch for imdb.pl in the last 2wks |
| [21:37:00] | BlueCamel: | or at least an update |
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| [21:39:00] | Tommck: | any HD3000 users in here? |
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| [21:41:00] | kormoc: | blue, that's just odd... |
| [21:41:00] | kormoc: | blue, I'm not sure what to tell you bout that one |
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| [21:42:00] | abarbaccia: | hey all – how much does it cost to build a simple IR blaster? |
| [21:42:00] | blue: | Hm, could it be the way I have my cap card feeding into my sound card? |
| [21:43:00] | Tommck: | abarbaccia – I can't imagine it being too much... but this _screams_ "google search" to me |
| [21:45:00] | blue: | Ive got a cable going from my cap card's line out to my computers line in, then my speakers are plugged into my sound cards line out. |
| [21:45:00] | blue: | Is that the proper configuration? |
| [21:46:00] | abarbaccia: | blue, can't you just go from the cap card to the speakers? |
| [21:47:00] | blue: | But then all the sounds (playing videos, music, ect.) can't be heard |
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| [21:48:00] | GeckoFiend: | Ryushin what do you want to know? |
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| [22:02:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck I have a 3k |
| [22:02:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – which drivers are you running? |
| [22:04:00] | Tommck: | pcHDTV 1.6? 2.0? DVB? |
| [22:05:00] | BlueCamel: | is DVB drivers on the HD3000 cards a non-US thing? |
| [22:05:00] | BlueCamel: | or do they work for US ATSC HDTV signals? |
| [22:05:00] | Tommck: | BlueCamel – not as far as I know... I thought they worked in the US... I am not running them, so I don't know |
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| [22:06:00] | BlueCamel: | all right, thanks |
| [22:06:00] | Kronuz: | hello |
| [22:06:00] | Kronuz: | hey, is lirc absolutely needed to get something out of the IR in a pvr350? |
| [22:07:00] | Kronuz: | is there no way of getting input from i2c? |
| [22:07:00] | Tommck: | brb |
| [22:07:00] | Kronuz: | (directly from i2c) |
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| [22:08:00] | jasoncohen: | i have a question for debian users running mythtv. I installed my mythtv backend/frontend on testing but now that sarge is installed I want to switch to stable for the security updates and ease of maintenance. is there any reason sarge wont' be good enough for future mythtv releases? i compile mythtv so i don't care about the binary packages. |
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| [22:11:00] | kormoc: | why wouldn't it be? |
| [22:11:00] | Kronuz: | I'm just wondering if it could be possible to get stuff out from the IR without using lirc |
| [22:12:00] | T0mW: | no |
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| [22:12:00] | T0mW: | lirc decodes the bit-toggles being sensed by the IR diode |
| [22:13:00] | T0mW: | Kronuz: you could purchase some PIC based device that gives you a serial data stream, look around, there are some. |
| [22:13:00] | ** T0mW wonders why not use lirc ** | |
| [22:15:00] | kormoc: | T0mW, well, he could write his own to do the same thing, no? |
| [22:15:00] | jasoncohen: | kormoc, it's possible mythtv might require packages in the future newer than what's in sarge. you can't install mythtv on woody for example |
| [22:15:00] | T0mW: | kormoc: this is true |
| [22:16:00] | kormoc: | jasoncohen, but you can update those packages by hand yourself... |
| [22:19:00] | RetroMan: | hey guys, what do you think of this setup: pundit-r / 2.4GHz celeron / 512RAM / haup250 |
| [22:19:00] | RetroMan: | as a frontend&&backend |
| [22:21:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan – only doing one card? |
| [22:21:00] | RetroMan: | whats the benefit of two cards? record two shows at once? |
| [22:21:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan – yeah :) |
| [22:21:00] | RetroMan: | can you play one channel and record another with one card? |
| [22:22:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan yes |
| [22:22:00] | Tommck: | or play recorded shows and record two |
| [22:22:00] | Tommck: | I have 4 cards :) |
| [22:22:00] | ** Tommck has a TV addiction problem :) ** | |
| [22:22:00] | RetroMan: | goodness :P |
| [22:22:00] | RetroMan: | haha, i dont watch much TV |
| [22:22:00] | RetroMan: | i want this mainly as a way of playing media from over the network on the main tv |
| [22:22:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan – you're single? |
| [22:22:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan – ahh |
| [22:23:00] | RetroMan: | im a college kid |
| [22:23:00] | RetroMan: | i have a girlfriend... :P |
| [22:23:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan – ahh.. I see |
| [22:23:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan - :) Well, if you're only using one low-def card like that, you'll be fine |
| [22:23:00] | Tommck: | I _might_ recommend a PVR 150 if you like tinkering :) |
| [22:23:00] | RetroMan: | is 100MBps connection good for playing across a network? |
| [22:23:00] | Tommck: | It's cheaper |
| [22:24:00] | Tommck: | definitely |
| [22:24:00] | kormoc: | lodef, it's fine |
| [22:24:00] | kormoc: | hidef not really |
| [22:24:00] | Tommck: | you can play HDTV over 100MBps |
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| [22:24:00] | RetroMan: | hidef as in HDTV? |
| [22:24:00] | Tommck: | kormoc – exactly |
| [22:24:00] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [22:24:00] | RetroMan: | oh, well we dont have HDTV anyway |
| [22:24:00] | Tommck: | right... one of my front ends is a 3.2GHz |
| [22:24:00] | ** Tommck doesn't miss the days of the "college budget" ** | |
| [22:25:00] | RetroMan: | ya, im on a college budget here ;) |
| [22:25:00] | RetroMan: | so you recommend the 150? |
| [22:25:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan – 60% beer... 30% girls... 10% food... everything else on credit cards? :) |
| [22:25:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan – it seems to be pretty well supported now and it's cheaper... but you could run into some snags, since its support is still new |
| [22:26:00] | RetroMan: | is it a hardware encoder? |
| [22:26:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan – yeah |
| [22:26:00] | Tommck: | just newer... some redesign |
| [22:26:00] | Tommck: | There's also the PVR-500, which is one card, but it's basically 2 150s |
| [22:27:00] | blue: | Could someone take a few minutes and help me through my audio problems? I think I'm pretty close. |
| [22:27:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck running the 1.6 drivers I think let me look |
| [22:28:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – me too... do you ever have issues with channels being unrecordable due to what looks like interference, but your TV can play it fine? |
| [22:28:00] | RetroMan: | so what does the 250 have that the 150 doesnt? |
| [22:28:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan – nothing |
| [22:29:00] | Tommck: | it's chips are just separate... apparently there's more chip integration on the 150 which makes it cheaper... |
| [22:29:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck I've never hooked the antenna up to the TV but I've had issues recording that appear to be signal related now and then |
| [22:29:00] | Tommck: | some different versions of stuff, but as far as I know, they are functionally equivalent |
| [22:29:00] | GeckoFiend: | it's a pretty crappy card actually |
| [22:29:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – hmm... |
| [22:30:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – I am having issues recording occasionally when there doesn't seem to be a reason for the issue. |
| [22:30:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – yeah... and I have 2 of em :) |
| [22:30:00] | GeckoFiend: | I've not tried later drivers or anything. Been planning on turning my antenna and buying one of the 5th gen air2pc cards when it comes out |
| [22:31:00] | blue: | Anyone? bueller... |
| [22:31:00] | GeckoFiend: | for the most part the card does work though |
| [22:31:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – is there something that is a lot better that's supported in Myth? |
| [22:31:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – what's that got going for it? |
| [22:31:00] | Tommck: | blue – what prob? |
| [22:31:00] | GeckoFiend: | that's why I'm afraid to screw with it |
| [22:31:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – yeah, it does... |
| [22:31:00] | Tommck: | If I get anything new, I would probably build it into a separate "testing" box to start... then integrate it |
| [22:31:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck it's got better tuners, supposedly deals with multipath better |
| [22:31:00] | Tommck: | but, now I have 2 HD3000s and a PVR-500, so I don't really need more inputs :) |
| [22:32:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – ahh... someone suggested that I might be having multipath issues |
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| [22:33:00] | GeckoFiend: | dopster is working on a comparison chart of the various HD cards |
| [22:33:00] | Tommck: | that'd be cool to see |
| [22:33:00] | Dibblah_: | Well, this should stir up some fun in the UK. Sky Digital now has a CAM available. |
| [22:34:00] | Dibblah_: | (NDS) |
| [22:35:00] | Tommck: | Dibblah_ – a camera? |
| [22:36:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – I was thinking about checking out the 2.0 drivers to see if they're better |
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| [22:39:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck I'd just use the DVB drivers if you're going to change drivers |
| [22:40:00] | squitta: | hey, can somebody help me to get my dvb device up and running? |
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| [22:40:00] | squitta: | the kernel module is allready loaded |
| [22:40:00] | squitta: | i have created the dev filesystem |
| [22:40:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – do you know that they work well? |
| [22:41:00] | squitta: | and made a symlink from /dev/dvb/adapter0 to /dev/video0 |
| [22:43:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck I've not used em, but they're all Myth is going to support for HD soon. |
| [22:43:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – why? there's a lot of custom coding to support them? |
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| [22:45:00] | RetroMan: | how much RAM should I get for a frontend/backend using a hardware encoder? |
| [22:45:00] | GeckoFiend: | RetroMan 512M |
| [22:45:00] | RetroMan: | I have a 128 stick lying around |
| [22:45:00] | RetroMan: | ok |
| [22:45:00] | RetroMan: | (damn) :) |
| [22:45:00] | Dibblah_: | No, a CAM – Allows something with a CI slot to read the viewing card. Decrypt the programming that the viewing card is allowed. |
| [22:46:00] | GeckoFiend: | Tommck pretty much, it's just a pita to maintain two codebases to do the same thing and hstoricly the drivers from pchdtv have been rather sucky |
| [22:46:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – yeah.. interesting |
| [22:46:00] | GeckoFiend: | RetroMan actually, 384 is the magic number I think in order to not swap |
| [22:47:00] | rjune: | GeckoFiend: depends on what you're doing |
| [22:47:00] | Tommck: | wow.. my front/backend has 1GB... |
| [22:47:00] | rjune: | there isn't really a "Magic Number" |
| [22:47:00] | Tommck: | and if I run KDE, it uses it :) |
| [22:47:00] | RetroMan: | but 512 is nice and safe right? |
| [22:47:00] | RetroMan: | i dont mind, its only 40 bucks.. |
| [22:47:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan – unless you run KDE :) |
| [22:48:00] | RetroMan: | no, this will just be a mythtv box |
| [22:48:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan – When I run KDE and mythfrontend and mythbackend on my one machine, it uses 800MB |
| [22:48:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan – this is just a MythBox Too... I just haven't gotten around to cleaning it out and making it simpler |
| [22:48:00] | RetroMan: | do you need to run KDE to run mythfrontend and mythbackend ? |
| [22:49:00] | rjune: | Tommck: this is just a mythbox? nothing else? |
| [22:49:00] | Tommck: | rjune – yep |
| [22:49:00] | Tommck: | crazy |
| [22:49:00] | rjune: | http://www.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/Xclients.txt |
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| [22:49:00] | Tommck: | running SUSE 9.1 |
| [22:49:00] | rjune: | Tommck: put that in $HOME/.Xclients of the user that logs in |
| [22:50:00] | rjune: | Tommck: before you do though, set it to one desktop, and disable the sound system |
| [22:50:00] | Tommck: | rjune – disable sound? |
| [22:50:00] | mirak: | Tommck: XFCE could be enough |
| [22:50:00] | rjune: | Tommck: sound server |
| [22:50:00] | mirak: | instead of KDE |
| [22:50:00] | Tommck: | XFCE? |
| [22:50:00] | rjune: | Tommck: different environment |
| [22:50:00] | mirak: | it's similar to gnome |
| [22:50:00] | Tommck: | rjune – what's "sound server" ? |
| [22:50:00] | mirak: | but lighter |
| [22:50:00] | rjune: | Tommck: arts |
| [22:50:00] | Tommck: | mirak – ahh. ok |
| [22:50:00] | Tommck: | oh.. artsd |
| [22:51:00] | rjune: | mirak: why run a full DE though, why not just use a wm, ala kwin(like the script I posted for him |
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| [22:51:00] | GeckoFiend: | RetroMan run something light like ratpoison |
| [22:51:00] | RetroMan: | ya |
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| [22:52:00] | RetroMan: | i think 512 will be plenty ;) |
| [22:52:00] | ananke: | or don't run any wm |
| [22:52:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan – me too |
| [22:52:00] | RetroMan: | I think I might hit the button for: Pundit -R / 512 RAM / 2.4GHz Celeron / Haup250 |
| [22:52:00] | GeckoFiend: | rjune obviously if you're running bloated desktop on your TV you'll need more ram :-p |
| [22:52:00] | RetroMan: | should I do it? ...aaaagh! |
| [22:52:00] | rjune: | GeckoFiend: indeed, that's why I just use a wm |
| [22:52:00] | Tommck: | RetroMan – it'll work. |
| [22:53:00] | Tommck: | I wouldn't buy a 250, but that's me.... |
| [22:53:00] | RetroMan: | oops, I meant a 150 |
| [22:53:00] | mirak: | I have problems configuring sound for live TV |
| [22:53:00] | mirak: | I am on gnome with alsa, and a sblive 5.1 digital |
| [22:54:00] | RetroMan: | I hate buttons that take hundreds of dollars away from me |
| [22:54:00] | xris: | holy crap. debian 3.1 has been released.... |
| [22:54:00] | rjune: | finally! |
| [22:54:00] | ** xris pulls out his binoculars to scan the sky for pigs. ** | |
| [22:54:00] | mirak: | help |
| [22:54:00] | rjune: | xris: I thought that was when Apple went to intell for procs... |
| [22:54:00] | mirak: | I have troubles getting only the live sound |
| [22:54:00] | mirak: | I got both sounds |
| [22:54:00] | xris: | rjune: all the more reason |
| [22:55:00] | mirak: | but delayed |
| [22:55:00] | xris: | mirak: not delayed. ahead. mute your line-in passthrough. |
| [22:59:00] | mirak: | xris: sure it's muted |
| [22:59:00] | xris: | then you shouldn't hear two. |
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| [22:59:00] | tfh: | hello, is playing mkv with switching through audio-tracks / subtitles with the remote supported in myth-tv ? |
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| [22:59:00] | mirak: | xris: I can mute it |
| [23:00:00] | mirak: | If I mute line in |
| [23:00:00] | mirak: | however |
| [23:00:00] | mirak: | if I unmute capture I got both sounds |
| [23:00:00] | mirak: | I don't know whu |
| [23:00:00] | mirak: | why |
| [23:01:00] | Tommck: | hey xris... remember recommending an antenna to me? |
| [23:01:00] | Tommck: | was only a couple of days back |
| [23:01:00] | xris: | mirak: line in == capture. |
| [23:01:00] | xris: | Tommck: yes. |
| [23:02:00] | mirak: | no here |
| [23:02:00] | Tommck: | xris – that antenna gets less of a signal than what I already have ;) |
| [23:02:00] | xris: | mirak: you need to MUTE your capture (line in), but set it for recording. |
| [23:02:00] | xris: | Tommck: that sucks. |
| [23:02:00] | xris: | make sure you plugged the antenna all the way into the base. |
| [23:02:00] | xris: | I really had to force mine. |
| [23:02:00] | mirak: | it doesn't work |
| [23:02:00] | Tommck: | xris – hehe.. no big deal.. I'm going to double check though... |
| [23:03:00] | Tommck: | xris – yeah... I will.. |
| [23:03:00] | mirak: | this is the weirdest controls ever |
| [23:03:00] | mirak: | it's totaly irrational |
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| [23:03:00] | Tommck: | I also want to get a compass to make sure I'm pointing in the absolute right direction.... |
| [23:03:00] | mirak: | ask anyone with a sblive 5.1 lol |
| [23:03:00] | Tommck: | I just kept turning it and watching the signal strength |
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| [23:03:00] | xris: | mirak: there are two options for each interface.. one for mute, and one for record... you need to turn ON record, but make sure it's muted. |
| [23:03:00] | Tommck: | I need to find 195 degrees and I don't own a compass |
| [23:04:00] | mirak: | I have both LINE IN and CAPTURE |
| [23:04:00] | mirak: | with each two controls |
| [23:04:00] | mirak: | record or mute/unmute |
| [23:04:00] | xris: | mirak: ignore capture. |
| [23:08:00] | Kronuz: | what's the best filesystem to put the ringbuffer into? |
| [23:08:00] | Tommck: | 16-bit FAT on a USB drive |
| [23:08:00] | Tommck: | :) |
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| [23:08:00] | Kronuz: | 12-bit FAT on a floppy? |
| [23:09:00] | Kronuz: | :P |
| [23:09:00] | Kronuz: | no, really |
| [23:09:00] | Tommck: | 8 track reel to reel? |
| [23:09:00] | Tommck: | Kronuz – no idea |
| [23:09:00] | GeckoFiend: | Kronuz xfs & reiser are good choices |
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| [23:09:00] | Kronuz: | which one is better? |
| [23:09:00] | GeckoFiend: | ext2 and ext3 are not |
| [23:10:00] | Kronuz: | and why ext2 ext3 are so bad? |
| [23:10:00] | Tommck: | I think I went with xfs because people said something about reiserfs not handling large files well |
| [23:10:00] | Tommck: | and, since I'm using HD, the files can get big |
| [23:10:00] | GeckoFiend: | Kronuz I don't really notice a difference between my old xfs and my new reiser setups |
| [23:10:00] | mirak: | xris: that's really unbelievable |
| [23:10:00] | GeckoFiend: | I've not had any issues with large files under reiser myself |
| [23:11:00] | Kronuz: | but theoreticaly, which one is supposed to be better? |
| [23:11:00] | Tommck: | GeckoFiend – I never have either |
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| [23:11:00] | mirak: | I use ext3 and have 10,7Giga for 3h30 |
| [23:11:00] | mirak: | of video |
| [23:11:00] | Kronuz: | ext2/3 are slow, right? |
| [23:11:00] | Tommck: | Kronuz – that's what I was told |
| [23:11:00] | xris: | mirak: I use an SBLive card.. I only bother with line in for recording. |
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| [23:12:00] | Tommck: | I use a $26 7.1 card with an optical s/pdif out... no screwing with it |
| [23:12:00] | JonK: | Tommy, does that work well? |
| [23:13:00] | Tommck: | yeah |
| [23:13:00] | JonK: | err... Tommck |
| [23:13:00] | Tommck: | works like a champ |
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| [23:13:00] | Tommck: | it's cool.. get 5.1 surround off of my HD broadcasts... |
| [23:13:00] | JonK: | does it do the sound processing even if I'm using a pvr350 for an output |
| [23:13:00] | rjune: | Tommck: very cool |
| [23:13:00] | Tommck: | JonK – it's a passthrough... it doesn't touch the sound |
| [23:13:00] | JonK: | it being? |
| [23:13:00] | Tommck: | rjune – yeah... for $26 it's great :) |
| [23:14:00] | Tommck: | JonK – the sound card |
| [23:14:00] | JonK: | that's what i thought |
| [23:14:00] | JonK: | the pvr350 works fine, but the pvr500 gives real tinny awful sound |
| [23:14:00] | rjune: | Tommck: which sound card is that? |
| [23:14:00] | JonK: | for the one tuner that works |
| [23:14:00] | Tommck: | rjune – lemme look it up |
| [23:14:00] | Tommck: | JonK – I have no probs with my 500's sound |
| [23:15:00] | JonK: | I'm jealous |
| [23:15:00] | JonK: | which ivtv driver are you running? |
| [23:15:00] | Tommck: | I'm using ivtv 03.2z :) |
| [23:15:00] | rjune: | JonK: don't feel bad, I'm not cool enough to have a working tuner |
| [23:15:00] | JonK: | well i have 2, so I do feel better, |
| [23:16:00] | JonK: | once I get the 500 working, im adding an hd3000 card |
| [23:16:00] | Tommck: | I don't use the tuner though..> I use svideo |
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| [23:16:00] | JonK: | errr... I have 1 tuner |
| [23:16:00] | Tommck: | JonK – I have 2 of those too :) |
| [23:16:00] | mirak: | xris: do you have 5.1 ? |
| [23:16:00] | JonK: | how do they work? |
| [23:16:00] | Tommck: | rjune – Chaintech AV-710 |
| [23:16:00] | Tommck: | JonK – they work... they're not great... |
| [23:16:00] | Tommck: | apparently the forthcoming new Air2PC cards are supposed to be better |
| [23:17:00] | Tommck: | the drivers are kinda crappy |
| [23:17:00] | rjune: | Tommck: the 5.1 surround works with linux? |
| [23:17:00] | Tommck: | rjune – yea |
| [23:17:00] | JonK: | think i should wait? the hd3000 carrds built for linux |
| [23:17:00] | Kronuz: | hmm.. supposedly XFS is faster |
| [23:17:00] | Tommck: | Kronuz – that's what someone told me |
| [23:17:00] | Kronuz: | http://bulma.net/body.phtml?nIdNoticia=626 |
| [23:17:00] | xris: | mirak: 5.1 is output, not input. |
| [23:17:00] | Kronuz: | (for the ones who can read Spanish) |
| [23:17:00] | mirak: | xris: yes but check the output screenshot |
| [23:18:00] | mirak: | it's totaly irational to control |
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| [23:18:00] | mirak: | why the hell do I have a surround capture anyway ? |
| [23:18:00] | xris: | mirak: yes. no doubt that the interface sucks. |
| [23:18:00] | mirak: | lol |
| [23:18:00] | JonK: | after compiling mythtv, what do i need to do to install/upgrade? |
| [23:18:00] | mirak: | most of controls are in dupes |
| [23:18:00] | xris: | the interface is there because the card supports it. |
| [23:18:00] | mirak: | I never find out exactly what they do and why |
| [23:18:00] | Tommck: | JonK – good idea to backup the database |
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| [23:18:00] | xris: | SB Live had all kinds of add-on boards to do that kind of stuff. |
| [23:19:00] | mirak: | yes, but this have nothing to do with windows controls |
| [23:19:00] | xris: | it has nothing to do with windows. |
| [23:19:00] | mirak: | I mean in windows it's simple |
| [23:19:00] | xris: | in windows, Creative writes the driver. |
| [23:19:00] | mirak: | the ship is better handled |
| [23:19:00] | mirak: | yes |
| [23:19:00] | mirak: | they don't even give the fucking specs |
| [23:19:00] | xris: | linux sound support has always sucked. no point in complaining about it here. |
| [23:19:00] | mirak: | pfff |
| [23:19:00] | mirak: | yeah |
| [23:20:00] | mirak: | ok good night |
| [23:20:00] | JonK: | I thought alsa was supposed to be a big improvement over the older OSS modules thoguh |
| [23:20:00] | xris: | JonK: feature-wise, not usage-wise. |
| [23:21:00] | rjune: | GreyFoxx: thanks again for that input.conf, I've changed it to be mroe like the rest of myth, you want it? |
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| [23:23:00] | JonK: | tommck, ok, after backing up DB what next? (although if I hose the DB and have to start over, it would not be the worst thing that's happened) |
| [23:23:00] | mirak: | alsa have 5.1 |
| [23:23:00] | mirak: | not oss |
| [23:24:00] | Tommck: | Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but.... umm "make install" ? :) |
| [23:24:00] | JonK: | did that |
| [23:24:00] | JonK: | that's standard, it installed the backend, but not the frontent |
| [23:24:00] | Tommck: | then run it |
| [23:24:00] | Tommck: | it should install both |
| [23:24:00] | JonK: | am upgrading .17 to .18 |
| [23:24:00] | JonK: | it didnt |
| [23:24:00] | Tommck: | did you have the front end running ? |
| [23:24:00] | JonK: | no |
| [23:24:00] | Tommck: | I know... I've upgraded before. |
| [23:24:00] | Tommck: | that's strange |
| [23:24:00] | Tommck: | anyone else have any idea why? |
| [23:25:00] | JonK: | process (1) stop mythtv (2) make install (3) reboot |
| [23:25:00] | Tommck: | :) |
| [23:25:00] | JonK: | now if i run the frontend it gives me a network protocol version error |
| [23:25:00] | Tommck: | ooh.. |
| [23:25:00] | Tommck: | I bet they installed into different places... |
| [23:25:00] | Tommck: | was your old one from packages? |
| [23:25:00] | JonK: | yes |
| [23:26:00] | Tommck: | ahh.. |
| [23:26:00] | Tommck: | probably went into a different place.. |
| [23:26:00] | rjune: | I have a question regarding exporting/importing shows and videos |
| [23:26:00] | Tommck: | is the new stuff packages? |
| [23:26:00] | JonK: | no, source from cvs |
| [23:26:00] | Tommck: | I'd probably uninstall the old packages and then make install again |
| [23:26:00] | rjune: | is there a way w/in the GUI to export a video or recording to CD or DVD, then import it at another machine? |
| [23:26:00] | JonK: | i'll bet the bins are in /usr/local/bin |
| [23:26:00] | JonK: | and i need to link/copy into /bin |
| [23:26:00] | Kronuz: | does the ringbuffer grows until there's no more space in the disk or it already is the disk size in the beginning? |
| [23:26:00] | rjune: | AKA I record House, my in-laws don't have a tuner card and would like to have it, |
| [23:27:00] | JonK: | but then why does the backend do the same |
| [23:27:00] | Tommck: | Kronuz – with HD, there's a configurable limit |
| [23:27:00] | Kronuz: | oh |
| [23:27:00] | JonK: | errr... not do the same |
| [23:27:00] | JonK: | it's running the newer backend |
| [23:27:00] | Tommck: | rjune – nuvexport? |
| [23:27:00] | Kronuz: | if there's no limit set, then it grows to fill the entire disk? |
| [23:27:00] | Tommck: | rjune – I'm interested in the answer, but don't know |
| [23:28:00] | JonK: | and then tries to keep going, trashing data |
| [23:28:00] | rjune: | Tommck: that's not within the GUI |
| [23:28:00] | Tommck: | rjune – the setting is in my UI. |
| [23:28:00] | Tommck: | I'm running old code tho |
| [23:28:00] | rjune: | Tommck: I'm thinking I'll be writing a script that I can use to generate the .sql file and export it manually, then import it manually |
| [23:28:00] | rjune: | should still be there then |
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| [23:29:00] | rjune: | I'm interested in this for a couple of reasons, one for shows, and two for audio. I want to be able to syncronize two independant mythbackends |
| [23:29:00] | xris: | rjune: nuvexport |
| [23:29:00] | rjune: | xris: then nuvimport? |
| [23:29:00] | xris: | no |
| [23:30:00] | xris: | but it'll export nuv and sql |
| [23:30:00] | rjune: | so how do I import it back then? |
| [23:30:00] | xris: | cp file.nuv ... && mysql < file.sql |
| [23:30:00] | rjune: | manually, gotcha. |
| [23:30:00] | rjune: | will nuvexport work with videos? |
| [23:30:00] | xris: | but at least the rest of it is automated. |
| [23:30:00] | rjune: | aka I have a video rather than a recording? |
| [23:30:00] | xris: | no, only with recordings. |
| [23:30:00] | xris: | that's what nfs is for |
| [23:31:00] | xris: | or rsync |
| [23:31:00] | rjune: | not when you have two independant backends with no network connect |
| [23:31:00] | rjune: | and NFS and rsync won't handle the db |
| [23:31:00] | kormoc: | how are you gonna send the video files? |
| [23:31:00] | kormoc: | rsync can... |
| [23:31:00] | xris: | for videos, the db updates automatically |
| [23:31:00] | xris: | it's only the recordings that should matter |
| [23:31:00] | rjune: | xris: that it exists |
| [23:31:00] | kormoc: | rsync the entire db over! |
| [23:32:00] | rjune: | xris: doesn't do anything for plot |
| [23:32:00] | Kronuz: | hey, the ringbuffer gets erased every time mythtv is started? |
| [23:32:00] | rjune: | kormoc: for 10 files? Uhm no |
| [23:32:00] | Kronuz: | or when? |
| [23:32:00] | xris: | Kronuz: I think also when you change channels |
| [23:32:00] | Kronuz: | oh, I see |
| [23:32:00] | kormoc: | KraMer, change channels/leave livetv |
| [23:33:00] | Kronuz: | why? |
| [23:33:00] | Kronuz: | wouldn't it be better to keep it? |
| [23:33:00] | kormoc: | cause it's only a temp buffer |
| [23:33:00] | kormoc: | not really, given it's only a buffer, not a recording |
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| [23:46:00] | johnl: | anyone home? |
| [23:47:00] | johnl: | i need some help |
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| [23:49:00] | Kronuz: | how big is a 10 min rec? |
| [23:51:00] | kormoc: | depends on your bitrate and quality settings |
| [23:55:00] | Kronuz: | but normally, in a medium quality? |
| [23:56:00] | Kronuz: | (default config) |
| [23:59:00] | kormoc: | 800 megs a hour, so 10 would be a bit over 100 megs? |
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