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| [00:01:00] | nick125: | this sucks |
| [00:01:00] | nick125: | I cant remember the default password to my ap |
| [00:01:00] | kormoc: | linksys? |
| [00:01:00] | nick125: | hawkings |
| [00:03:00] | kormoc: | no idea |
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| [00:23:00] | hfb: | nick125: Which version of ivtv-dev are you using? |
| [00:23:00] | nick125: | 0.3.5r IIRC |
| [00:25:00] | hfb: | Thanks |
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| [00:37:00] | twisted_one: | ok |
| [00:37:00] | twisted_one: | what are some good initial params for ivtvctl |
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| [00:43:00] | nick125: | twisted_one: look at the gentoo-wiki |
| [00:45:00] | twisted_one: | nick125: sure thing, I should use that more often, eh? =) |
| [00:46:00] | nick125_myth: | po00000000000000000000-------jknderrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rr6y777777777777777, |
| [00:47:00] | nick125_myth: | |
| [00:47:00] | kormoc: | how nice of him |
| [00:48:00] | nick125: | bah |
| [00:48:00] | nick125: | stupid cats walking on my lappy keyboard |
| [00:49:00] | nick125: | twisted_one: the gentoo wiki helped me with my setup :) |
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| [00:49:00] | twisted_one: | well nick125 the composite input is working |
| [00:49:00] | twisted_one: | =) |
| [00:50:00] | twisted_one: | I can see my PS2 =) |
| [00:50:00] | twisted_one: | but I still cannot see the darn cable input |
| [00:50:00] | twisted_one: | well its nothing but static |
| [00:50:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: am I on the right track and/or does this sound familiair? |
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| [00:51:00] | kormoc: | donno :P |
| [00:51:00] | twisted_one: | alright =) |
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| [00:57:00] | twisted_one: | assuming that the driver is correctly installed now... |
| [00:58:00] | twisted_one: | what sort of options could I have wrong with the tuner itself and/or setup thereof? |
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| [00:58:00] | kormoc: | well, I know with certain models of the 150, you have to down grade drivers a few levels before certain cards will work, maybe yours is the same? |
| [00:59:00] | twisted_one: | hrmm |
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| [01:04:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: any suggestions as to which version to fall back to/ |
| [01:04:00] | twisted_one: | ? |
| [01:04:00] | kormoc: | nope, I don't have a card :/ |
| [01:04:00] | twisted_one: | bleh, ouch |
| [01:04:00] | twisted_one: | after a week of this I might just send you mine =P |
| [01:05:00] | kormoc: | hehe, I'd love it to death :P |
| [01:05:00] | twisted_one: | if it worked |
| [01:05:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [01:05:00] | kormoc: | ooh, I'd sit and play with it until it did, or until it crumbled into dust :P |
| [01:05:00] | twisted_one: | lol |
| [01:06:00] | twisted_one: | my problem is that I only have lke two days a week to do much and one of them is gone and I have not a lot to show for it... =\ |
| [01:06:00] | kormoc: | icky :/ |
| [01:06:00] | twisted_one: | oh well |
| [01:06:00] | twisted_one: | gonna keep at it |
| [01:06:00] | twisted_one: | gonna start with some older versions I think |
| [01:06:00] | twisted_one: | or maybe try the newest one first |
| [01:06:00] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [01:07:00] | twisted_one: | new or older? |
| [01:07:00] | kormoc: | ooh, always try the newest one first |
| [01:07:00] | twisted_one: | =) |
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| [01:08:00] | kormoc: | and if a old one works and the new one doesn't, report it ot the ivtv list :) |
| [01:08:00] | twisted_one: | will do |
| [01:12:00] | ** nick125 wonders how the commerical skip works :P ** | |
| [01:13:00] | kormoc: | it smokes some magic grass and is like man, I'm hungry, if only there was a burger king commerical on... ooh, there's one *munch munch* *burp* |
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| [01:15:00] | nick125: | ah |
| [01:15:00] | kormoc: | and with that, I'm gone for a few min to home sweet home |
| [01:15:00] | nick125: | k |
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| [01:39:00] | twisted_one: | hrmm |
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| [01:40:00] | twisted_one: | im using this file for the firmware, I think its wrong... |
| [01:40:00] | twisted_one: | ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_250-3 . . . .8.22037.exe |
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| [01:40:00] | twisted_one: | can you guys repost that link to the 500 stuffs =) |
| [01:40:00] | kormoc: | wintv-pvr_250–350 |
| [01:40:00] | kormoc: | wrong aye |
| [01:41:00] | twisted_one: | definatly |
| [01:41:00] | twisted_one: | I just realized that |
| [01:41:00] | twisted_one: | after trying 6 drivers |
| [01:41:00] | twisted_one: | made a script to help automte the process |
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| [01:43:00] | twisted_one: | nick125: I see your link but that was for the ROM file for the sound drivers |
| [01:44:00] | nick125: | download the MCE cd, its in one of the directories |
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| [01:44:00] | twisted_one: | ok, is that posted somewhere? |
| [01:45:00] | nick125: | at the hauppauge site |
| [01:45:00] | twisted_one: | ok, thank yo |
| [01:45:00] | twisted_one: | u |
| [01:48:00] | twisted_one: | ok, I ahve that but I still dont see the exe |
| [01:49:00] | twisted_one: | same problem I had with my cd |
| [01:49:00] | twisted_one: | here is hte file I grabbed... |
| [01:49:00] | twisted_one: | http://hauppauge.lightpath.net/software/mce/mce_cd_v25.zip |
| [01:49:00] | twisted_one: | am I missing something? |
| [01:50:00] | nick125: | hmm |
| [01:50:00] | nick125: | nope, thats it |
| [01:51:00] | twisted_one: | well what the heck |
| [01:51:00] | twisted_one: | where is the firmware file? |
| [01:51:00] | nick125: | the ROMs are firmware |
| [01:51:00] | nick125: | I dont think ivtvextract will work for this |
| [01:55:00] | twisted_one: | hrmm |
| [01:55:00] | twisted_one: | I understand that roms are firmware images |
| [01:56:00] | twisted_one: | but I dotn see any of them in the 500 dir either |
| [01:56:00] | twisted_one: | .ax files mainly |
| [01:56:00] | twisted_one: | oh wait.. |
| [01:56:00] | twisted_one: | is falcon a chipset? |
| [01:56:00] | twisted_one: | =) |
| [01:56:00] | twisted_one: | or somethign of the sort |
| [01:56:00] | twisted_one: | HcwFalcn.rom |
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| [02:02:00] | twisted_one: | opello: you got a moment? |
| [02:04:00] | opello: | sure |
| [02:06:00] | twisted_one: | awesome |
| [02:06:00] | twisted_one: | I cant find the firmware for the 500's |
| [02:07:00] | twisted_one: | I can only find them for the 250's |
| [02:07:00] | twisted_one: | its not on the driver cd, at least not in the same format. |
| [02:07:00] | Mrgoose: | how do you get mythv to play .avi , and .mpg and shit? |
| [02:07:00] | rpete: | mythvideo |
| [02:08:00] | opello: | twisted_one: really, hm ... it was on my cd |
| [02:08:00] | twisted_one: | opello: in .exe format? |
| [02:08:00] | Mrgoose: | rpete: what does the command line for that have to be |
| [02:08:00] | Mrgoose: | cause mythvideo is currently set to dvd://%s |
| [02:08:00] | opello: | er, wait — i extracted them from a file because i didn't have the 'recommended' ones |
| [02:08:00] | rpete: | Mrgoose, player can be Internal, or something like 'mplayer -fs %s' or similarly with xine |
| [02:09:00] | twisted_one: | I dont quite care about recommendations so much as what works =P |
| [02:09:00] | twisted_one: | because I recommend this card works or else... |
| [02:09:00] | ** twisted_one shakes his fist ** | |
| [02:10:00] | opello: | heh |
| [02:10:00] | opello: | brb, i'm going to eat dinner and i'll get to ya :) |
| [02:11:00] | twisted_one: | ok, ill check back in a bit |
| [02:11:00] | twisted_one: | thank you veyr much |
| [02:21:00] | opello: | yup |
| [02:21:00] | opello: | twisted_one: i got pvr48wdm_1.8.22037.exe |
| [02:22:00] | opello: | i think anyway |
| [02:23:00] | twisted_one: | is that the one from the 250–350 link? |
| [02:25:00] | twisted_one: | hrmm, it is |
| [02:25:00] | twisted_one: | crap... |
| [02:25:00] | twisted_one: | dont knwo whats wrong then |
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| [02:28:00] | opello: | hrm |
| [02:28:00] | opello: | and the firmware extract didn't work? |
| [02:31:00] | twisted_one: | it idd |
| [02:31:00] | twisted_one: | but the driver isnt, at least not 100% |
| [02:31:00] | opello: | hrm |
| [02:31:00] | twisted_one: | i can get video/sound from composite inputs, not cable |
| [02:31:00] | opello: | try using 0.3.2o :) |
| [02:31:00] | twisted_one: | ok |
| [02:35:00] | twisted_one: | hrmm, nothing |
| [02:35:00] | twisted_one: | what do you have in your /etc/modules.d/ivtv again? |
| [02:37:00] | opello: | /query |
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| [02:49:00] | rjune: | anybody do transcoding on a regular basis? |
| [02:51:00] | rtsai: | rjune: you mean DVD transcode or mythtranscode? |
| [02:51:00] | rjune: | ffmpeg actually |
| [02:52:00] | rtsai: | not me, sorry |
| [02:52:00] | rjune: | I try to write shows to VCD and get some nasty audio/video sync problems |
| [02:52:00] | rtsai: | don't know anything about that |
| [02:52:00] | rjune: | ok, thanks |
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| [03:32:00] | ChrisMacTire: | I've run into an odd bug. Despite being mapped to Up Jumpforeward also seems to be keyed to L. Is there some sort of default keymap I'm not aware of? |
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| [05:43:00] | Cardoe: | anyone even awake? |
| [05:44:00] | GotD0t: | sure am |
| [05:44:00] | Cardoe: | what distro do you use? |
| [05:45:00] | GotD0t: | debian |
| [05:46:00] | iggy: | Cardoe: you bastard |
| [05:47:00] | Cardoe: | iggy: what? |
| [05:47:00] | Cardoe: | what did I do now? |
| [05:48:00] | Cardoe: | most likely it's true |
| [05:48:00] | iggy: | your bug comments are.... shall we say.... borderline abrasive |
| [05:49:00] | Cardoe: | comments to who? |
| [05:49:00] | Cardoe: | I asked if anyone was awake |
| [05:49:00] | Cardoe: | oh |
| [05:50:00] | Cardoe: | iggy: when they start e-mailing you with "HAVE YOU SEEN BUG #######??!?!?!?!?!?!?! OMG!!!111111oneoneoneoneoneone" |
| [05:50:00] | Cardoe: | I tend to be pissy towards them. |
| [05:50:00] | Cardoe: | cause a man has to eat. |
| [05:50:00] | Cardoe: | so he has to go to work. |
| [05:50:00] | Cardoe: | and work kind of likes you to be productive |
| [05:50:00] | Cardoe: | and not sit on the computer and mess with Gentoo. |
| [05:51:00] | Cardoe: | So I apologize if I can't respond to a bug in less then an hour. |
| [05:51:00] | Cardoe: | And to top it off |
| [05:52:00] | Cardoe: | one of the bug reporters is one of the guys in #gentoo-amd64 that tested the build and said it worked 100% |
| [05:54:00] | Cardoe: | which is it? |
| [05:54:00] | GotD0t: | hehe |
| [05:55:00] | Cardoe: | </rant> |
| [05:56:00] | GotD0t: | so why did you ask what distro i use? |
| [05:56:00] | Cardoe: | because my next question was going to be x86 or amd64? |
| [05:56:00] | GotD0t: | x86 |
| [05:57:00] | GotD0t: | but i use gentoo on my desktop & laptop |
| [05:57:00] | GotD0t: | just debian for my dvr |
| [05:57:00] | ** Cardoe nods. ** | |
| [05:57:00] | Cardoe: | I was pretty sure you used Gentoo. |
| [05:57:00] | Cardoe: | but I wasn't sure if it was for Mythtv |
| [05:57:00] | iggy: | Cardoe: I'm not testing anything for you, you're mean |
| [05:57:00] | ** Cardoe gives iggy a hug. ** | |
| [05:58:00] | GotD0t: | funny thing is... i switched to gentoo because i started gathering parts for my mythbox |
| [05:58:00] | GotD0t: | and then i ended up just using deb for my mythbox |
| [05:58:00] | Cardoe: | iggy: will you at least give me some emerge info love? |
| [05:59:00] | iggy: | emerge info? where? why? |
| [05:59:00] | Cardoe: | I'm just frustrated that I was made to support arch/mcpu/mtune |
| [05:59:00] | iggy: | made to? |
| [05:59:00] | Cardoe: | and then people have crazy concoctions from gcc-4 |
| [05:59:00] | Cardoe: | that don't work |
| [06:00:00] | iggy: | who made you? |
| [06:00:00] | Cardoe: | I'd rm -rf gcc-4 sources anyday |
| [06:00:00] | Cardoe: | ciaranm and the jump on Cardoe's back gang in -dev |
| [06:00:00] | iggy: | ignore it |
| [06:00:00] | iggy: | they aren't supporting it, tell them to fuck off |
| [06:00:00] | iggy: | especially ciaranm |
| [06:00:00] | Cardoe: | heh |
| [06:01:00] | Cardoe: | Then I want to drop kick Herbs. |
| [06:01:00] | Cardoe: | Cause he constantly touches my ebuilds with amd64 crapola. |
| [06:01:00] | Cardoe: | And never does it correctly. |
| [06:01:00] | Cardoe: | This is the closest he's come so far. |
| [06:01:00] | iggy: | I'm all for making the ebuild do the right thing with regard to how someone has their env set up, but that only goes so far |
| [06:02:00] | iggy: | does he at least ask? |
| [06:02:00] | Cardoe: | Never |
| [06:02:00] | iggy: | report him to devrel |
| [06:02:00] | Cardoe: | And I always have it out with him about not touching my ebuilds. |
| [06:02:00] | Cardoe: | last time he complained to devrel I was "mean" |
| [06:02:00] | iggy: | tell devrel, and tell them about the numerous times prior he's done it |
| [06:03:00] | iggy: | even if nothing happens, it's documented |
| [06:03:00] | iggy: | that's the biggest problem we had with ciaranm, everybody hates how he treats people, but only like 3 people complained to us, and they were less than credible witnessess |
| [06:04:00] | Cardoe: | you just have to meet him with the same level |
| [06:04:00] | Cardoe: | He's very egotistical. |
| [06:04:00] | iggy: | this I know |
| [06:04:00] | Cardoe: | I also come from NY. |
| [06:04:00] | iggy: | I don't have a problem with him anymore, he just leaves me alone |
| [06:05:00] | Cardoe: | So I appear to some as abrasive |
| [06:05:00] | Cardoe: | But don't mean it. |
| [06:18:00] | rjune: | you guys in hear are all great |
| [06:21:00] | GotD0t: | yup... we all hear great |
| [06:21:00] | rjune: | 'cept for that Cardoe guy, he's really abrasive. :-D |
| [06:28:00] | GotD0t: | really? i thought he hears quite well |
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| [07:15:00] | arango: | Im thinking of buying the streamzap or the snapstream pc remote for lirc. Any suggestions ? |
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| [07:32:00] | abarbaccia: | hey all – question is why is my screen tilted when viewing on the TV – i have a SiS 650 graphics card from an asus pundit setup. I am using the correct drivers and all – but the screen is slanted |
| [07:33:00] | rpete: | put a bit of cardboard under one end of the tellie |
| [07:33:00] | ** joshebel laughs ** | |
| [07:33:00] | rpete: | strange problem, I've never heard of it before |
| [07:34:00] | abarbaccia: | hahaha – seriously i'm thinking about it |
| [07:34:00] | abarbaccia: | well, hopefully it'll go away when i have the time to get an SVIDEO cable |
| [07:35:00] | abarbaccia: | eventually i want to make a highdef setup for my apartment, but wanted to see if it was possible to easily setup a box with standard def |
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| [11:33:00] | gnarface: | hehe. anyone here? |
| [11:33:00] | gnarface: | i'm curious about xvmc and how to enable it. i just heard about it. |
| [11:33:00] | gnarface: | yes, i am dumb. please flame me. |
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| [12:58:00] | gnarface: | oh also, anyone else having a crapload of interference in their svideo output from their video card? |
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| [13:17:00] | truls: | gnarface: move it |
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| [13:57:00] | adante: | gnarface: to enable xvmc, the option should be in settings -> tv settings -> playback |
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| [13:57:00] | adante: | assuming it has been compiled with xvmc support |
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| [14:22:00] | Ricur: | Is there any key stroke that will jump to the most recent part when watching livetv ? So if I rewind a few seconds, can I press a key to jump back to the live stuff ? |
| [14:27:00] | brejc8: | just fast forward by several minutes |
| [14:27:00] | brejc8: | it will crimp to the current time |
| [14:29:00] | Ricur: | is there no single keystroke ? |
| [14:29:00] | brejc8: | prob not |
| [14:29:00] | Ricur: | ok. thanks. |
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| [14:40:00] | cygdev: | anyone using tv_grab_dvb? it seems not find all my channels .. |
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| [15:06:00] | gnarface: | does myth always have some volume control settings? |
| [15:06:00] | gnarface: | or only if you compile it that way? |
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| [15:12:00] | cyberknet: | [ and ] |
| [15:12:00] | cyberknet: | adjust volume up and down respectively |
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| [15:12:00] | cyberknet: | ermm... |
| [15:13:00] | cyberknet: | reversed |
| [15:13:00] | cyberknet: | ] is up, [ is down |
| [15:13:00] | epoch: | haha |
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| [15:13:00] | cyberknet: | F9 will mute |
| [15:13:00] | Beirdo: | cyberknet is a silly wanker |
| [15:13:00] | cyberknet: | CyberKnet is tired |
| [15:13:00] | Beirdo: | I think \ mutes too |
| [15:13:00] | Beirdo: | YOU are tired? |
| [15:13:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:13:00] | cyberknet: | CyberKnet was woken up at 3am again by the night processor |
| [15:13:00] | Beirdo: | I slept in this morning... to 7am |
| [15:13:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:14:00] | Beirdo: | the two days before were 3:30am and 5am |
| [15:14:00] | cyberknet: | I had to be up at 7 too. |
| [15:14:00] | Beirdo: | I didn't have to be up |
| [15:14:00] | Beirdo: | I just woke up |
| [15:14:00] | Beirdo: | and then the phone rang at 7:30 anyways |
| [15:14:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [15:14:00] | ** cyberknet notices a disturbing lack of program data on his digital / HD channels ** | |
| [15:15:00] | Beirdo: | my friend went right back to sleep, and I chatted on the phone for at least half an hour |
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| [15:16:00] | Beirdo: | today we head back to Memphis |
| [15:16:00] | cyberknet: | 78 |
| [15:16:00] | cyberknet: | ack |
| [15:16:00] | Beirdo: | then tomorrow I fly home... from Nashville |
| [15:17:00] | cyberknet: | sounds like fun |
| [15:17:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, and my accent changed |
| [15:17:00] | ** cyberknet wonders why KOEDX didn't pull any program data ** | |
| [15:17:00] | Beirdo: | I knew it would |
| [15:17:00] | Beirdo: | less than a week, and I already sound kinda like I'm from Tennessee |
| [15:17:00] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [15:18:00] | cyberknet: | yeah. I sound like I'm from Oklahoma. |
| [15:18:00] | cyberknet: | Get over it ;) |
| [15:18:00] | Beirdo: | but how long did that take? |
| [15:18:00] | cyberknet: | a few months, probably. |
| [15:18:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [15:18:00] | Beirdo: | 5 days |
| [15:18:00] | cyberknet: | for me to think it. a few years for others to think it. |
| [15:18:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [15:18:00] | cyberknet: | So you'll be back in NotAmerica soon, you'll lose it. |
| [15:18:00] | Beirdo: | hell, it ain't a perfect accent, but damn... |
| [15:19:00] | cyberknet: | Say this out loud: "Hey y'all, watch this!" |
| [15:19:00] | Beirdo: | if I go to Toledo, OH to visit, my accent changes in less than a day |
| [15:19:00] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [15:19:00] | cyberknet: | if people run, you'll know you're convincing. |
| [15:19:00] | Beirdo: | got a sleeping redneck in the next bed over |
| [15:19:00] | cyberknet: | and if someone says "Naw shucks, I can do that!" then start running. |
| [15:20:00] | Beirdo: | I think he's sleepin |
| [15:21:00] | Beirdo: | damn, it was nice going to the JD distillery |
| [15:21:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [15:21:00] | cyberknet: | just not on a dry day |
| [15:21:00] | Beirdo: | we were there Sunday |
| [15:21:00] | Beirdo: | a dry day |
| [15:21:00] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [15:21:00] | Beirdo: | but it's a dry county anyways, they are lucky to be allowed to sell at all |
| [15:22:00] | Beirdo: | it's also BFN, TN |
| [15:22:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [15:22:00] | Beirdo: | but it was cool |
| [15:22:00] | cyberknet: | yeah. |
| [15:23:00] | Beirdo: | damn did the aging warehouse smell good |
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| [15:23:00] | cyberknet: | heh |
| [15:23:00] | cyberknet: | I can imagine |
| [15:24:00] | cyberknet: | "Sooo.... much ..... bourbon...." |
| [15:24:00] | Beirdo: | it's not bourbon |
| [15:24:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [15:25:00] | Beirdo: | someone from Kentucky will kick your ass for that |
| [15:25:00] | Beirdo: | but yeah |
| [15:25:00] | Beirdo: | and the fermenting mash smells damn good to, but you need to be a brewing type to enjoy that smell |
| [15:25:00] | Beirdo: | or like vegemite, I guess |
| [15:26:00] | Beirdo: | mucho yeast, plus alcohol fumes |
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| [15:26:00] | ** cyberknet loves vegemite ** | |
| [15:26:00] | Beirdo: | silly Aussie :) |
| [15:26:00] | cyberknet: | it's not bourbon? hmmm. |
| [15:27:00] | Beirdo: | nope, it's similar but not the same |
| [15:27:00] | Beirdo: | bourbon is made in Kentucky |
| [15:27:00] | Beirdo: | and Tennessee whiskey is quite similar, but made differently |
| [15:27:00] | cyberknet: | oh. |
| [15:27:00] | cyberknet: | well how about that.. |
| [15:28:00] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [15:28:00] | Beirdo: | they both are tasty stuff though |
| [15:28:00] | cyberknet: | I did not know that they were not the same. |
| [15:28:00] | cyberknet: | I figured tennesee whiskey = kentucky whiskey. |
| [15:29:00] | cyberknet: | I mean, I knew that scotch was a completely different animal. |
| [15:29:00] | cyberknet: | totally different taste. |
| [15:29:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [15:30:00] | Beirdo: | scotch rules :) |
| [15:30:00] | Beirdo: | actually, single-barrel JD is very reminiscent of single-malt scotch |
| [15:30:00] | Beirdo: | JD's made with corn, malted barley, rye, water and yeast (kinda like a sourdough starter setup) |
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| [15:31:00] | Beirdo: | yummy booze |
| [15:35:00] | cyberknet: | a bad scotch is a lot smoother than a bad bourbon/tenessee whiskey, imho. |
| [15:36:00] | cyberknet: | However, I like a good bourbon/tennessee whiskey better than a good scotch. YMMV. |
| [15:38:00] | Beirdo: | I don't :) |
| [15:38:00] | Beirdo: | a good scotch trumps all |
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| [15:42:00] | cyberknet: | man but the 20 year olds are expensive. |
| [15:42:00] | cyberknet: | woo. you gotta REALLY appreciate a 20 year old for the price it costs. |
| [15:42:00] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [15:42:00] | Beirdo: | same goes for women :) |
| [15:46:00] | GotD0t: | :) |
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| [16:06:00] | cyberknet: | do de do de do |
| [16:06:00] | cyberknet: | waiting for mythfilldatabase |
| [16:06:00] | cyberknet: | man does it take a long time when you have more than one source |
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| [16:08:00] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [16:50:00] | maddhaggis: | hello |
| [16:52:00] | maddhaggis: | What command line should I use to extract my kernel source rpm? |
| [16:52:00] | maddhaggis: | rpm -ivh (kernel) ??? |
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| [16:56:00] | rjune_: | maddhaggis: that would do it |
| [16:56:00] | rjune_: | then look in /usr/src/SOMETHING/SPECS for the specfile |
| [16:56:00] | rjune_: | is Myth capable of using an arts or esd audio backend? |
| [16:57:00] | maddhaggis: | thanks |
| [16:58:00] | cygdev: | yeah myth supports arts |
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| [16:59:00] | MrSpiffy: | hola |
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| [17:06:00] | maddhaggis: | umm where did it go? |
| [17:08:00] | truls: | xris: keep getting tracebacks on your trac when posting comments |
| [17:09:00] | maddhaggis: | hmm from /usr/src I typed rpm -ivh kernel-2.6.11–1.27_FC3.src.rpm which looked like it extracted ok but i don't know where. |
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| [17:14:00] | johnp_: | guessing down /us/src somewhere ? |
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| [17:14:00] | xris: | truls: comments? |
| [17:17:00] | truls: | xris: adding stuff to tickets |
| [17:17:00] | xris: | truls: I'll upgrade trac in a bit. |
| [17:17:00] | cygdev: | anyone using tv:grab_dvb? it seems to grab from the "current" mux only ... |
| [17:18:00] | cygdev: | how to make it grab from all the muxes .. ? |
| [17:18:00] | truls: | ok |
| [17:18:00] | johnp_: | cygdev, script |
| [17:19:00] | johnp_: | cygdev, any particular reason you're not using the inbuilt stuff ? |
| [17:19:00] | cygdev: | uh, could you give some more details :-) |
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| [17:20:00] | johnp_: | I thnk the short answer to that is no, because I don't have the app to hand, but it shouldn't be too hard to do. |
| [17:21:00] | johnp_: | for i in 1,2,3; do ; dvbtune $i; tv_grab_dvb ; done |
| [17:21:00] | cygdev: | The code looks like spaghetti ... |
| [17:21:00] | johnp_: | which ? |
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| [17:28:00] | cygdev: | code of tv_grab_dvb |
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| [17:31:00] | johnp_: | oh right, not that I'm saying ours is any less obfuscated :) |
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| [17:35:00] | johnp_: | cygwin, is there a reason why you don't want to use the inbuilt stuff. I'm not saying you're wrong, but we'd like to improve it and get it working for people. |
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| [17:41:00] | cygdev: | I dislike the idea of grabbing the info from HTML- much too fragile I think |
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| [17:42:00] | cygdev: | Moreover, the xmltvid fields need to be set manually – too complex for the average user |
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| [17:43:00] | brejc8: | People have scripts to do that (depending on where you are) I wrote some for the UK |
| [17:43:00] | cygdev: | We are building mythtv boxes for users who are not Linux savvy at all |
| [17:44:00] | cygdev: | Scripts for doing what ? |
| [17:44:00] | brejc8: | There could be a script that runs and fills in all that info depending on where you are |
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| [17:44:00] | brejc8: | Like insering the xmltv ids |
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| [17:45:00] | brejc8: | http://brej.org/dvb/uk_rt.sql |
| [17:45:00] | johnp_: | cygwin, that's not what I'm talking about. You can grab data from within myth EIT data that is. |
| [17:45:00] | johnp_: | i.e the same data as tv_grab_dvb should be using. |
| [17:46:00] | brejc8: | You just have to remember to compile it in (I was confused for a while) |
| [17:46:00] | cygdev: | What is EIT data ? |
| [17:46:00] | brejc8: | I like it. It is automatic and only if you want a different guide do you need to change anything |
| [17:47:00] | brejc8: | It is the tv guide that gets broadcast with the tv signal |
| [17:47:00] | cygdev: | Sounds good. How does one compile that in ? |
| [17:47:00] | brejc8: | you are compiling your own mythtv? |
| [17:47:00] | johnp_: | configure --help is your friend |
| [17:48:00] | johnp_: | (and I can't remember) |
| [17:48:00] | brejc8: | ill take a look |
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| [17:48:00] | brejc8: | --enable-dvb-eit enable DVB EIT support (--enable-dvb is required) |
| [17:49:00] | cygdev: | I'll give that an immediate try, thanks guys ! |
| [17:49:00] | johnp_: | hey it might not work, but if it doesn't we'd kind of like to know. |
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| [17:52:00] | cygdev: | Let's see. Now compiling ... |
| [17:53:00] | brejc8: | you will need tomake sure you have the useonairguide=1 in your database |
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| [17:55:00] | cygdev: | it seems to be set to 1 for the channels that were scanned in |
| [17:56:00] | brejc8: | good |
| [17:56:00] | brejc8: | anyway going home now |
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| [17:57:00] | johnp_: | I'm also on my way |
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| [18:12:00] | twisted_one: | morning everyone |
| [18:13:00] | gnarface: | good morning |
| [18:13:00] | gnarface: | anyone else up all night last night? |
| [18:13:00] | twisted_one: | yep |
| [18:14:00] | twisted_one: | FINALLY got my PVR-500 working |
| [18:14:00] | twisted_one: | now its time to setup Myth today. |
| [18:16:00] | twisted_one: | which I played with before and think installed wrong |
| [18:16:00] | twisted_one: | is there a good way to start over? |
| [18:16:00] | twisted_one: | I tried removing stuff last night and starting it over again but it definatly didn't completely uninstall |
| [18:17:00] | twisted_one: | I see alot of these messages when I run from the commmand line.... |
| [18:17:00] | twisted_one: | 2005-06–02 12:22:47.350 ReadStringList timeout (quick). |
| [18:17:00] | twisted_one: | 2005-06–02 12:22:47.350 Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION: |
| [18:17:00] | twisted_one: | 2005-06–02 12:22:47.428 Connecting to backend server: 90.0.0.202:6543 (try 1 of 3) |
| [18:18:00] | twisted_one: | Is this normal (I wouldnt think it is). |
| [18:22:00] | kormoc: | did you restart mythbackend? |
| [18:22:00] | kormoc: | cause there's a version mismatch between the frontend and the backend |
| [18:23:00] | laga: | re. |
| [18:23:00] | ** laga wonders if mythtv will like its new 300gb hdd. ** | |
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| [18:27:00] | rjune_: | laga: hopefully |
| [18:27:00] | laga: | :) |
| [18:27:00] | laga: | scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| [18:27:00] | kormoc: | laga, nah, it'll hate it, but you can mail it to me and I'll love and take grand care of it! :P |
| [18:27:00] | laga: | kormoc: shut it ;) |
| [18:28:00] | rjune_: | hahah |
| [18:28:00] | laga: | darn, the bastard is quite loud. stupid external drives. |
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| [18:29:00] | ** laga makes one big 300gb partition. ** | |
| [18:29:00] | laga: | no, bad idea. |
| [18:30:00] | laga: | ah, screw windows. |
| [18:30:00] | rjune_: | go go go go |
| [18:30:00] | rjune_: | external? what were you thinking ? |
| [18:30:00] | laga: | dude. |
| [18:30:00] | rjune_: | vfat drive for all your media? |
| [18:31:00] | laga: | it was almost cheaper than an internal drive, maybe 5euro difference. |
| [18:31:00] | laga: | vfat? |
| [18:31:00] | laga: | nope. ext3. |
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| [18:31:00] | rjune_: | yeah, old windows fs type |
| [18:31:00] | laga: | i know, jfs/xfs are better for mythtv, but ext2 is supported in windows (with third party tools, of course) |
| [18:32:00] | laga: | rjune_: and i can still rip the 300gb disk out of the case. |
| [18:34:00] | rjune_: | it is? when did windows get ext2 drivers? |
| [18:34:00] | laga: | 'with third party tools' |
| [18:34:00] | laga: | ;) |
| [18:35:00] | laga: | MiniMyth 0.18.1 is released <- in case anyone cares. |
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| [18:37:00] | cygdev: | The builtin EIT appears to work. Thanks for those who let me know it exists :-) |
| [18:37:00] | Cardoe: | mini myth? |
| [18:37:00] | laga: | Cardoe: a special distro for epia users. diskless boot and stuff. |
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| [18:37:00] | laga: | /dev/sda1 276G 33M 262G 1% /mnt/luv |
| [18:38:00] | laga: | \o/ |
| [18:38:00] | laga: | darn, with NTFS, i had 280gb free space. |
| [18:38:00] | Cardoe: | oh |
| [18:38:00] | Cardoe: | laga: what FS is it now? |
| [18:38:00] | laga: | ext3 |
| [18:38:00] | Cardoe: | could NTFS be more efficent in space usage then ext3!? |
| [18:38:00] | Cardoe: | God no... not a MS product possibly better. |
| [18:38:00] | Cardoe: | ;) |
| [18:38:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [18:39:00] | Cardoe: | Just had to |
| [18:39:00] | laga: | it's probably related to block size or some other techie stuff i don't understand |
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| [18:42:00] | rjune_: | laga: minimyth is kinda cool |
| [18:42:00] | rjune_: | looks to be related to your ltsp plans |
| [18:43:00] | Art_Bell: | I'm currently starting mythbackend as a one line command in my startup scripts (rc.local) and setup mythtv to auto run the commercial flagger after shows are recorded. in the status page in mythfrontend it says it cant find mythcommflag, but i can run it from the command line. what can i do to fix this? |
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| [18:44:00] | laga: | rjune_: except that it is optimized for epia stuf, and i dont feel like building another cross compiler setup ;) |
| [18:45:00] | rjune_: | heh |
| [18:46:00] | laga: | i wonder if it's possible to use PXE with a wlan card. |
| [18:46:00] | laga: | *that* would be cool. |
| [18:48:00] | iggy: | there are cards that support it |
| [18:48:00] | iggy: | but they aren't cheap |
| [18:48:00] | laga: | \o/ |
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| [18:48:00] | laga: | :/ |
| [18:48:00] | laga: | brb, bbq. |
| [18:49:00] | maddhaggis: | why is it that some places offer kernel source as a tar.b2z while others are src.rpm? I've extracted both kinds but their output directory tree's are totaly different. What's the difference? which should I use? |
| [18:49:00] | iggy: | src.rpm's are usually just the patches applied to the kernels |
| [18:50:00] | maddhaggis: | ahh |
| [18:51:00] | maddhaggis: | so more or less the rpm's are source updates |
| [18:51:00] | maddhaggis: | like cvs? |
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| [18:59:00] | xris: | iggy: not true |
| [19:00:00] | iggy: | the ones I downloaded when I was doing the kernels for Gentoo were just patches |
| [19:00:00] | xris: | src.rpms are the sourcecode used to build binary rpm's... packagers like redhat/fedora often include other patches to the source, but the src.rpm is certainly not JUST the patches.. it's the full source, the patches, and packaging instructions. |
| [19:01:00] | xris: | iggy: gentoo doesn't use rpm's |
| [19:01:00] | iggy: | yes, thanks for the info |
| [19:01:00] | iggy: | I meant the src.rpm's I downloaded from other distros |
| [19:01:00] | iggy: | when I was patch hunting |
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| [19:11:00] | cygdev: | Built myth with EIT, that seems to work |
| [19:12:00] | cygdev: | Nevertheless, now I lose sound after switching channels a couple of times |
| [19:14:00] | cygdev: | Sound is lost on most but not all channels |
| [19:14:00] | cygdev: | Please help, all suggestions warmly welcomed .. |
| [19:14:00] | Art_Bell: | whats eit? |
| [19:17:00] | cygdev: | Program Guide over the air, seems to be built in in 0.18.1 |
| [19:20:00] | gnarface: | EIT? |
| [19:23:00] | gnarface: | hey, i have a question about xvmc |
| [19:24:00] | gnarface: | if i've got a nvidia card and i used the nvidia use flag |
| [19:24:00] | gnarface: | and the xvmc option is visible in the frontend |
| [19:24:00] | gnarface: | does that mean its probably gonna work? |
| [19:24:00] | gnarface: | or should i add the xvmc use flag as well? |
| [19:25:00] | kormoc: | there isn't a xvmc use flag for myth... |
| [19:25:00] | kormoc: | emerge -pv mythtv to see the use flags the ebuild supports |
| [19:26:00] | gnarface: | oh. ok. thanks.... happen to know whether the nvidia driver's xorg.conf option for using the 3d engine to do xvmc instead of the overlay mode will bost performance any? |
| [19:26:00] | laga: | the pundit has a very shitty i/o performance. |
| [19:26:00] | gnarface: | pundit? |
| [19:26:00] | gnarface: | is that that asus thing? |
| [19:27:00] | laga: | yep |
| [19:27:00] | gnarface: | a shame it won't take a real board. |
| [19:27:00] | laga: | yeah |
| [19:28:00] | laga: | i'm moving some files to my external usb hdd and playback is stuttering. *sigh* |
| [19:29:00] | gnarface: | re-nice? |
| [19:29:00] | laga: | nice idea. |
| [19:29:00] | laga: | heh- |
| [19:29:00] | gnarface: | very punny. |
| [19:29:00] | gnarface: | i must find some lunch. |
| [19:29:00] | laga: | 28878: old priority 0, new priority -10 |
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| [19:35:00] | kormoc: | let's reprioritise sshd to 19 so it's always good! (said a sysadmin at a place I used to have a server)... |
| [19:36:00] | laga: | hehe |
| [19:38:00] | ** nick125 wonders why myth cancels his recordings on its own ** | |
| [19:40:00] | rjune_: | it hates you |
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| [19:47:00] | laga: | rjune_: btw, did you look at the pkg.def yet? |
| [19:52:00] | _johnp: | cygdev, still got sound problems ? Try hitting + and -, also try TS mode as well. |
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| [20:00:00] | xris: | truls: I upgraded trac. let me know if you still have issues. |
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| [20:03:00] | hadeees: | so anyone know how to figure out your bandwidth limits on a cable modem when you can't find any refrence to the actual speed you are supposed to be getting |
| [20:03:00] | hadeees: | i would just use a bandwidth tester page if i thought those results were really that reliable |
| [20:03:00] | rjune_: | laga: I wish |
| [20:04:00] | laga: | rjune_: heh. |
| [20:04:00] | laga: | rjune_: btw, i rebuild mythtv with QTDIR set, and it didn't compile libmyth and mythfrontend. :/ |
| [20:04:00] | laga: | could be a problem with my CVS checkout |
| [20:06:00] | rjune_: | bummer |
| [20:07:00] | laga: | yeah. soooo close to watching TV in my bedroom ;) |
| [20:07:00] | laga: | but yet so far away :/ |
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| [20:17:00] | rjune_: | in mythtvsetup, it asks for the IP of the master server, if this is the master server, make that blank or set it to 127.0.0.1? the HELP down at the bottom is cut off |
| [20:17:00] | Cardoe: | 127.0.0.1 |
| [20:19:00] | rjune_: | the mythbackend log says it's a slave server, is that proper? |
| [20:21:00] | laga: | i don't think so. |
| [20:21:00] | laga: | umm... |
| [20:21:00] | laga: | i guess there is a 'this is a slave backend setting' |
| [20:22:00] | laga: | or just leave the 'master backend ip adress' empty |
| [20:22:00] | truls: | xris: will do |
| [20:24:00] | rjune_: | laga: still no worky |
| [20:24:00] | laga: | rjune_: lemme check here, give me a second. |
| [20:24:00] | rjune_: | still says it's trying to connect to the master |
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| [20:26:00] | laga: | err, teh borkage. |
| [20:26:00] | laga: | 2005-06–02 21:25:14.701 This app was compiled against libmyth version: 0.18.20050523–1 |
| [20:26:00] | laga: | but the library is version: 0.18.20050504–1 |
| [20:26:00] | laga: | wait a sec. |
| [20:26:00] | Tommck: | anyone have a particular penchant for HDTV antennas? :) |
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| [20:28:00] | xris: | Tommck: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- . . . amp;v=glance |
| [20:28:00] | xris: | that's the one I have. very directional, supposedly the best style of the small unpowered ones. |
| [20:29:00] | Cardoe: | over the air HDTV |
| [20:29:00] | laga: | rjune_: sorry, it takes some time. this machine is overloaded. |
| [20:29:00] | Cardoe: | isn't that poor quality? |
| [20:29:00] | Tommck: | hmm... antennaweb tells me I need a medium range with a preamp, even though I'm 12 miles from the towers (all within 1 degree of each other) |
| [20:29:00] | Cardoe: | then cable? |
| [20:29:00] | xris: | Cardoe: hdtv is hdtv |
| [20:29:00] | Tommck: | Cardoe – I don't have cable |
| [20:29:00] | xris: | Tommck: "tall buildings or airport" ? |
| [20:29:00] | xris: | I've heard of people using that antenna with 30–40 mile range and doing well. |
| [20:30:00] | Tommck: | xris – some trees, but the antenna could go in the attic (prefer not an external one) |
| [20:30:00] | Tommck: | xris – interesting... I guess I could add a preamp if I wanted to anyway, right? |
| [20:30:00] | xris: | I have an airport nearby, and some hills, so I get interference.. would need a Yagi style one for better reception, and I'm only 6–8 miles from the towers. |
| [20:30:00] | Tommck: | I actually have a pre-amp for my omnidirectional (non-HDTV) antenna I'm using right now |
| [20:30:00] | xris: | Tommck: have you tried your omni one with hdtv? |
| [20:30:00] | xris: | it's really just uhf vs vhf |
| [20:31:00] | Tommck: | xris – yes, it works well in good weather for my TV, but my HD3000 cards are getting choppy video sometimes and I'm thinking it might be a borderline signal, since I'd heard that they don't do well with low signals) |
| [20:32:00] | rjune_: | Ahhh |
| [20:32:00] | rjune_: | figured it out |
| [20:32:00] | rjune_: | if you change the IP of the local server, you need to change the IP of the master server to match |
| [20:32:00] | xris: | Tommck: yeah, could be. anyway, I get about 5 channels with mine, out of the 8–9 I could get with a better antenna.. works well enough for testing, though. |
| [20:33:00] | xris: | rjune_: if you're doing master/slave, the master needs to be configured with a real IP, so it can tell slaves where it is. |
| [20:33:00] | Tommck: | xris – out of the 6 channels here, 5 of them are within 1 degree of each other and the other one I don't care about anyway |
| [20:33:00] | xris: | Tommck: that's nice. I'm too close, so it's like 3–4 degrees (except for fox, which is WAY off). I get them just fine except for one that's underpowered. an amp might help, but it's not that big of a deal. |
| [20:34:00] | rjune_: | xris: frontend/backend problem. I told the backend it was 172.16.0.1, and then that the master was 127.0.0.1, not thinking about it. doh! |
| [20:34:00] | Tommck: | xris – It might be worth buying that Terk antenna just to see if it works |
| [20:34:00] | rjune_: | though, have you noticed that the 'help' section doesn't always show up properly? |
| [20:34:00] | xris: | Tommck: that's what I figured. $25 isn't that big of a deal in the long run. |
| [20:34:00] | xris: | rjune_: help section? |
| [20:35:00] | Tommck: | xris – yeah... though I'm wondering if I could buy it somewhere locally with a return policy that is favorable in case it doesn't help |
| [20:35:00] | rjune_: | yeah the short explanation of the option at the bottom of the screen, it's usually very helpful, but sometimes it's too long for the space provided |
| [20:35:00] | xris: | Tommck: radio shack sells similar ones... they're all the "silver sensor" shape. $25–50 |
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| [20:36:00] | Tommck: | xris -ahh. just found the same one at Best Buy |
| [20:36:00] | xris: | cool |
| [20:42:00] | Tommck: | $40 there though :) |
| [20:44:00] | brejc8: | Is anyone here from the USA here that can give me a hand with something? |
| [20:45:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – be more vague please |
| [20:45:00] | brejc8: | I am getting the todays TV picks from the site: http://tv.yahoo.com/picks/ |
| [20:45:00] | laga: | rjune_: still here? |
| [20:46:00] | rjune_: | yup |
| [20:46:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – and? |
| [20:46:00] | brejc8: | In the different regions and time zones the program is broadcast in local time (9pm everywhere) or at 9pm in the eastern and then an offset to everywhere else |
| [20:46:00] | laga: | rjune_: i set 'ip adress for $hostname' to the ip adress for the machine and 'ip adress for the master server' to the same one |
| [20:47:00] | Tommck: | yes... the times are listed as "ET" |
| [20:47:00] | rjune_: | laga: yeah, found that |
| [20:47:00] | laga: | rjune_: works for me :& |
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| [20:47:00] | brejc8: | Tommck: Right so you have some sort of paramiter to the tv grabbing software to tellit which time zome you are in? |
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| [20:48:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – I'm not sure... MythTV deals with all that for me, but I think the times are listed in UTC time in there.. not sure |
| [20:48:00] | brejc8: | Tommck: What is ET compatred to the UTC? |
| [20:49:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – they're just different time zones. UTC is Greenwich Mean Time (with no daylight savings) and ET is 5 hours behind that (but there's also daylight savings time there too) |
| [20:49:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – are you programming something? |
| [20:50:00] | brejc8: | yeah a tv picks grabber. |
| [20:50:00] | brejc8: | screen scrapes the website to get the recommendations |
| [20:51:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – well, there are time library methods for almost every language that deal with this. |
| [20:51:00] | Tommck: | if it's being broadcast at 9pm, regardless of location, then you could just use a local to UTC time conversion |
| [20:52:00] | brejc8: | Tommck: Yeah but which ones. I will just give it over to someone who is there. |
| [20:52:00] | Tommck: | which what? |
| [20:52:00] | brejc8: | Tommck: Also the channel names right? you have local channels which have different names than the national ones right? |
| [20:53:00] | brejc8: | Tommck: this grabber thing |
| [20:53:00] | Tommck: | yeah.. it says "ABC" and "NBC", so you could have a setup to ask for channel mappings |
| [20:53:00] | brejc8: | What is your local ABC called? |
| [20:53:00] | Tommck: | WMAR |
| [20:53:00] | brejc8: | something deterministic |
| [20:53:00] | brejc8: | oh crao |
| [20:53:00] | Tommck: | or you could map from ABC to "2" |
| [20:54:00] | brejc8: | OK so every region needs to have it's own mapping |
| [20:54:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – yes |
| [20:54:00] | Tommck: | upon installation of your code, i'd expect |
| [20:55:00] | brejc8: | Is the name ABC recorded anywhere in mythtv database? like the cal sign or anything? |
| [20:55:00] | Tommck: | don't know |
| [20:55:00] | Tommck: | you could just look around in your database. |
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| [20:56:00] | brejc8: | Yeah but I dont have a US one with auto generated channels. ANyway this is how the system looks so far here |
| [20:56:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – you're not in the US? |
| [20:56:00] | brejc8: | Tommck: UK |
| [20:57:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – writing this for someone in the states? |
| [20:57:00] | brejc8: | Tommck: Not enough testers if I just write it for the UK. I wrote three for the UK already. |
| [20:57:00] | Tommck: | ahh.. ok |
| [20:57:00] | brejc8: | Tommck: Still haven't finished the review browser |
| [20:57:00] | Tommck: | well, by the looks of their picks, I don't want it ;) |
| [20:58:00] | brejc8: | Tommck: Why not? |
| [20:58:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – "National Spelling Bee Finals" ??? |
| [20:58:00] | brejc8: | Tommck: oh yahoos picks |
| [20:58:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 - :) yeah... the picks are horrible :) |
| [20:58:00] | brejc8: | The idea is that you get several sources and give them weights |
| [20:58:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – ah.. that's cool |
| [20:59:00] | brejc8: | it will ignore the poor ones which no one else picked |
| [20:59:00] | brejc8: | Only reason I picked yahoo is because they have several days in advance |
| [20:59:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – yeah |
| [21:00:00] | brejc8: | Tommck: Sorry didnt send the link http://brej.org/mythtv/recommendations/guide1.png |
| [21:00:00] | Tommck: | is a heart a recommendation? |
| [21:00:00] | brejc8: | yeah for the time being |
| [21:00:00] | Chutt: | brejc8, why not just use cf? |
| [21:00:00] | brejc8: | I didnt make an icon yet |
| [21:00:00] | Tommck: | there's a TV show called "Chubby Chasers" there? |
| [21:01:00] | brejc8: | "cf"? |
| [21:01:00] | Chutt: | collaborative filtering |
| [21:01:00] | brejc8: | Tommck: Ill get the description for you |
| [21:01:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – I thought that was Cluster Fuck ? |
| [21:02:00] | brejc8: | Looking at a world where men adore big, beautiful women – a place where fat is not just acceptable, it is desirable. Many women's lives have been transformed, and men of all shapes and sizes have discovered that loving their ladies extra large is nothing to be ashamed of. |
| [21:02:00] | Chutt: | basing recommendations off of junk like the 'best picks' stuff seems really lame to me |
| [21:02:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – crazy bastards! ;) |
| [21:02:00] | brejc8: | CF would be just one of the sources. To getit off the gound just using the magazine ones |
| [21:03:00] | Chutt: | why even bother? |
| [21:03:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – with a good abstract framework in place, a better algo can just be plugged in |
| [21:03:00] | Chutt: | tommck, not really |
| [21:03:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – yeah, really |
| [21:03:00] | Chutt: | uh, no |
| [21:03:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – it's just software design |
| [21:03:00] | Chutt: | you don't have a clue what you're talking about |
| [21:03:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – you don't know me |
| [21:03:00] | Chutt: | but, that's pretty damn obvious |
| [21:03:00] | brejc8: | The picks are translated into an xml format which can be generated by any tool. |
| [21:04:00] | brejc8: | Esp a CF one |
| [21:04:00] | Chutt: | cf would require server software |
| [21:04:00] | Chutt: | the best picks stuff could be done all client side |
| [21:04:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – it's a basic implementation of a Strategy pattern... the implementing class can talk to a server |
| [21:04:00] | Chutt: | you don't just plug one in to each other |
| [21:04:00] | Chutt: | hah |
| [21:04:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – yes... all implemented by a single class implementation |
| [21:04:00] | Chutt: | whenever someone starts spouting off about design patterns, you know they don't know jack about what they're talking about |
| [21:04:00] | Tommck: | the whole UI and "get picks to record" interface can be implemented separately |
| [21:05:00] | brejc8: | that already has been done btw |
| [21:05:00] | Chutt: | the ui's the easiest part of the entire thing. |
| [21:05:00] | brejc8: | http://brej.org/mythtv/recommendations/rec_all1.png |
| [21:06:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – why do you feel it necessary to insult me? |
| [21:06:00] | cygdev: | does myth support scrambled DVB channels? |
| [21:06:00] | Tommck: | cygdev – you asked that yesterday.. |
| [21:06:00] | brejc8: | cygdev: no |
| [21:06:00] | Chutt: | because i think it's funny when people insist they know what they're talking about |
| [21:07:00] | Chutt: | and so obviously don't |
| [21:07:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – all you've said is "you don't know what you're talking about"... that's not very good proof that I don't know what I'm talking about |
| [21:07:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – actually, if you reverse your own logic, you are insisting that *I* don't know what I'm talking about without any proof, thus removing the impetus for you to actually have a real discussion on the issue |
| [21:08:00] | cygdev: | I did, but did not notice any answer...sorry to hear that the answer is "no" |
| [21:08:00] | Chutt: | wow, you're trying to make yourself sound smart now, too |
| [21:08:00] | Chutt: | heh |
| [21:08:00] | epoch: | hahahaha |
| [21:08:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – you're such a child |
| [21:08:00] | epoch: | hey Tommck, u r dumb! |
| [21:08:00] | brejc8: | cygdev: I think you can get a card creader to plug in to get terrestrial encripted chanels |
| [21:09:00] | Tommck: | epoch – blow me :) |
| [21:09:00] | brejc8: | What is you guys' problem? |
| [21:09:00] | epoch: | Tommck: not into that sort of thing, sorry |
| [21:09:00] | Chutt: | i dunno, i don't have a problem |
| [21:09:00] | Chutt: | tommck seems to think he's got one |
| [21:09:00] | epoch: | I have a problem |
| [21:09:00] | epoch: | chutt is ugly |
| [21:09:00] | epoch: | that's my problem |
| [21:09:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – no friggin idea... people who think their way is the only way... and don't like taking input from people with tons of experience in the real world :) |
| [21:10:00] | Chutt: | and epoch's a lameass canuk |
| [21:10:00] | Chutt: | tommck, wow, you've got tons of experience! |
| [21:10:00] | cygdev: | How does one tune to encrypted channels – scan channels seems to skip 'em |
| [21:10:00] | epoch: | Chutt *wishes* his ass was lame! |
| [21:10:00] | Chutt: | ever written a CF engine? |
| [21:10:00] | epoch: | whoa holy shit |
| [21:10:00] | epoch: | _tons_ |
| [21:10:00] | brejc8: | cygdev: The scanner won't skip them if you have a card reader (and a subscription) |
| [21:11:00] | brejc8: | cygdev: You in the UK? |
| [21:11:00] | cygdev: | No, in Finland |
| [21:11:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – no, but I've done phone switch software, automated weather observations systems, battle simulation software, fingerprint recognition, iris scanning, handwriting recognition (both biometric and alphametric), etc. |
| [21:11:00] | brejc8: | cygdev: You can get the card readers for the Happu.. cards |
| [21:11:00] | Chutt: | so nothing related |
| [21:12:00] | epoch: | I think Tommck is trying to compensate for something |
| [21:12:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – all of those things were related to software design. |
| [21:12:00] | cygdev: | I have a Technotrend Premium DVB-C 2300; there should be card readers for that one, too |
| [21:12:00] | Chutt: | haha |
| [21:13:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – the question at hand was whether or not a new algorithm could be dropped in to replace the cheesy one.. you said "not really". You were wrong |
| [21:13:00] | Chutt: | how am i wrong? |
| [21:13:00] | Chutt: | please explain |
| [21:13:00] | brejc8: | cygdev: prob |
| [21:13:00] | Tommck: | because all it takes is a basic abstraction for the algorithm... all the surrounding code (mapping channels to Myth's channels), configuring separate sources, the ratings of the sources could be done already... |
| [21:13:00] | Chutt: | to get recommendations for a 'best picks' type thing, you run a grabber like mythfilldb once a day |
| [21:14:00] | Tommck: | then a single interface to the Source gets the recommendations. |
| [21:14:00] | Tommck: | a simple implementation is done first... |
| [21:14:00] | cygdev: | Do card readers need any driver support? I.e, are they visible to device drivers? |
| [21:14:00] | Tommck: | then a new implementation based on CF can be written later |
| [21:14:00] | Tommck: | (if needed) |
| [21:14:00] | Chutt: | to get recommendations for a CF system, you need to figure out what the user recorded, what the user actually watched, some sort of decent rating system (thumbs up/thumbs down) |
| [21:14:00] | Chutt: | then notify a central server about that information |
| [21:14:00] | Chutt: | and get a list |
| [21:14:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – thus, the interface is designed with that in mind |
| [21:14:00] | Chutt: | it's not even close to similar |
| [21:15:00] | Chutt: | presenting the results to the user could be, sure, but who the fuck cares about the design of the ui when talking about 'dropping in algorithms'? |
| [21:15:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – this information will need to be gathered. It would be packed up into some sort of "context" object which could then be ignored by the simpler implementations |
| [21:15:00] | Chutt: | that's broken. |
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| [21:16:00] | brejc8: | Chutt: That is very simple with a perl script. The perl script sends off your current viewing patterns to the main server and retreaves a recommendation list which is then read into the mythfilldatabase |
| [21:16:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – I'm not talking about the design of the UI... I'm talking about the interaction of everything else |
| [21:16:00] | brejc8: | Chutt : just like TVWish |
| [21:16:00] | Chutt: | brejc8, yeah, but that doesn't get everything you'd want |
| [21:16:00] | Chutt: | that just gets what you recorded |
| [21:16:00] | Chutt: | not if you watched the first 5 minutes of something than stopped because it sucked :p |
| [21:17:00] | Chutt: | you'd want that sort of input |
| [21:17:00] | brejc8: | Sure you can have a user interface to rate the shows you watched too. Still the UI isjust the first step |
| [21:17:00] | Chutt: | tommck, that's my point – there _is no interaction_ for the simple case. it's just a data grabber, really. |
| [21:17:00] | Tommck: | this is like arguing the finer points of wine with someone with no sense of smell |
| [21:18:00] | Chutt: | a cf system requires much more integration into other parts of myth |
| [21:18:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – I understand, but it can still be implemented and used... then it gets refactored for anything that was missed in the first iterations |
| [21:18:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – it should require integration... it would require data retrieval. Maybe an additional handler for a keystroke to rate things |
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| [21:19:00] | Tommck: | but the ratings and things should be done with the simple implementations too. That way, you capture your reactions to the things that were suggested |
| [21:19:00] | Chutt: | brejc8, well, if you watch a small percentage of a program, then stop + delete it, that should count as an automatic minus |
| [21:19:00] | brejc8: | The difficult bit is the CF on the main server (esp with the many countries involved) |
| [21:19:00] | brejc8: | Additionally there will probably want several sources of recommendations. I wouldn't trust one system to not turn commercial |
| [21:19:00] | Tommck: | later, that can be fed back into whatever ranking algorithms need it |
| [21:19:00] | spiderworm: | hey all is it possible to get linux/mythtv to run on an actual tivo box? |
| [21:19:00] | laga: | spiderworm: no. |
| [21:20:00] | Chutt: | tommck, urhm, with a 'best picks', all you get is a few things (as in that yahoo page) per day. |
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| [21:20:00] | Chutt: | you're not going to be able to 'rate' those, unless as a whole |
| [21:20:00] | ** Tommck still uses Tivo as a backup to his Myth box ** | |
| [21:20:00] | brejc8: | In the UK I found 10 pages with TV picks. |
| [21:20:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – you can rate the shows, why couldn't you? |
| [21:20:00] | Chutt: | brejc8, that's why i've said that anything implementing cf that goes into myth has to run on mythtv.org, be gpl, data under a free license, etc |
| [21:21:00] | scotepi: | if a card says it only supports windows xp media center will it work in linux? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815100135 |
| [21:21:00] | Chutt: | tommck, yeah, but how's that relevant? |
| [21:21:00] | Chutt: | tommck, since the shows are just recommended out of context |
| [21:21:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – you could rate the sources based on how many of the things it recommended that you like |
| [21:21:00] | Chutt: | right, but if it's a crappy source, why bother including its recommendations in the first place? |
| [21:22:00] | brejc8: | Because it is difficult to recommend things before they happened |
| [21:22:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – yes, but you could start out with _only_ your reactions to things... later, when you want to add CF to the mix, you could add a second level of rate modification based on "everyone's" ratings too |
| [21:23:00] | Chutt: | brejc8, right, but you can't treat a 'best picks' recommendation as anything but as a whole set |
| [21:23:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – if the same show is recommended by 3 different sources, all 3 of those sources should get kudos for the recommendation... that is why individual show ratings are important |
| [21:24:00] | Chutt: | anyway |
| [21:24:00] | Chutt: | still doesn't get around the fact that it'd be two completely different implementations |
| [21:25:00] | Chutt: | considering one requires writing a server, and all |
| [21:25:00] | brejc8: | two different implementations of the grabber only. |
| [21:25:00] | Tommck: | chutt – I've written abstractions like this before. It might seem weird that one implementation is client-server and the other one is standalone, but it is doable |
| [21:26:00] | brejc8: | I think the grabber should prob star separate. |
| [21:26:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – kinda like the current listing grabbers |
| [21:26:00] | Chutt: | i don't think there should _be_ a separate grabber in the cf case |
| [21:26:00] | Chutt: | no reason that that wouldn't be built in |
| [21:27:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – what if someone doesn't want to use it? |
| [21:27:00] | Chutt: | then they don't turn it on? |
| [21:27:00] | Chutt: | i would think that would be obvious. |
| [21:27:00] | brejc8: | How would you be able to have the different countries with their different schedules |
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| [21:27:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – so it wouldn't be a plug-in? |
| [21:27:00] | Chutt: | of course not |
| [21:28:00] | Chutt: | brejc8, why would that matter? |
| [21:28:00] | _johnp: | cygdev, You need to de-select FTA only on input connections. That'll get you the crypto'd ones. |
| [21:28:00] | brejc8: | Just because everyone likes the current episode of scrubs in the US why should that be recommended for a repeat in Holland |
| [21:29:00] | Chutt: | why wouldn't it be recommended in that case? |
| [21:29:00] | brejc8: | Old episode |
| [21:29:00] | brejc8: | repeat |
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| [21:29:00] | Chutt: | so? |
| [21:29:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – the back-end would have to be partitioned by country (and possible more) |
| [21:29:00] | Chutt: | people liked it |
| [21:29:00] | Tommck: | different tastes in different countries? |
| [21:29:00] | brejc8: | How do you find the same episede in the other country? |
| [21:29:00] | Chutt: | then they'd not be matched up in the first place |
| [21:29:00] | scotepi: | if a card says it only supports windows xp media center will it work in linux? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815100135 |
| [21:29:00] | brejc8: | different name/subtitle |
| [21:30:00] | Chutt: | and wouldn't have been recommended the show |
| [21:30:00] | Tommck: | scotepi – it's called google |
| [21:30:00] | Chutt: | brejc8, then it couldn't be matched, and wouldn't be recommended |
| [21:30:00] | Chutt: | can't have it translate for you, obviously =) |
| [21:30:00] | brejc8: | difficult/impossible to match the names |
| [21:31:00] | Tommck: | Chutt – we could have it pull the VBI info and run it through Babelfish and auto-translate :) |
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| [21:31:00] | Tommck: | <-- being goofy |
| [21:31:00] | Chutt: | right, so there's obviously no need to partition the backend |
| [21:31:00] | scotepi: | Tommck, google doesnt work for that card |
| [21:33:00] | Tommck: | scotepi – then when they say " it only supports windows xp media center ", maybe they're not lying? |
| [21:33:00] | brejc8: | Im still not sure how a system such as this would recognise that people liked a series of shows would also like a show which hasn't happened yet and there are no reviews of it yet |
| [21:33:00] | Tommck: | I'm geting back to work... I will talk to you all later.. |
| [21:33:00] | Tommck: | brejc8 – good luck |
| [21:33:00] | ** Tommck is out of here ** | |
| [21:34:00] | brejc8: | Tommic: thanks |
| [21:34:00] | scotepi: | better yet, whats a good cheep($60–700 M150 carD? |
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| [21:34:00] | Chutt: | brejc8, works for repeats, works for recording new series, etc |
| [21:34:00] | laga: | heh. i bought a new hard drive today, in the afternoon. 5 hours later, i find out that the hdd in my mythtv system is failing. |
| [21:34:00] | laga: | just in time |
| [21:34:00] | laga: | great. |
| [21:34:00] | brejc8: | What about one offs |
| [21:34:00] | ** laga is pissed off as hell ** | |
| [21:34:00] | Chutt: | brejc8, can always use other people's schedules |
| [21:35:00] | scotepi: | so does no one here use a m150 card? |
| [21:35:00] | Chutt: | if A aligns with B, and B has X scheduled to record, A might want to, too. |
| [21:36:00] | Chutt: | it's not all that complicated :p |
| [21:36:00] | brejc8: | Right. So an SQL server matching the people into groups with simmilar preferences through their opinions about shows, a communication with it (sending current opinions about past shows/recieving recommendations) and a UI to show the recommendations |
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| [21:37:00] | brejc8: | Oh and also sending the current scheduals |
| [21:37:00] | Chutt: | can't be a sql server, really |
| [21:37:00] | brejc8: | With an AI program on top of it |
| [21:37:00] | Chutt: | it's a bit more complex than what it could be, and you really don't want a sql server open to randomass users on the net |
| [21:38:00] | Chutt: | brejc8, and some logic in the frontend for like/dislike, and automatic versions of it |
| [21:38:00] | brejc8: | Yeah an AI 2d mapping of peoples preferences grouping people every day |
| [21:38:00] | scotepi: | out of these cards, whats a good one for linux? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . mit=Property |
| [21:38:00] | Chutt: | brejc8, should (eventually) get much better recommendations than a best picks type thing =) |
| [21:39:00] | brejc8: | Oh yeah ofcause. But needs many people to train the thing |
| [21:39:00] | Chutt: | it doesn't really need _that_ many people |
| [21:39:00] | Chutt: | but, the more the better |
| [21:39:00] | kormoc: | Scorpi, Hauppauge |
| [21:39:00] | brejc8: | It will take more than a week to implement |
| [21:39:00] | Chutt: | 2 weeks? |
| [21:39:00] | kormoc: | erm, scotepi that was for you |
| [21:39:00] | scotepi: | kormoc, lol, k |
| [21:40:00] | Chutt: | there's a guy at work who says '2 weeks' to everything |
| [21:40:00] | kormoc: | scotepi, 250/350s are way more supported then 150/500's |
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| [21:40:00] | brejc8: | maybe for a first version that interacts correctly |
| [21:40:00] | Chutt: | then he qualifies it by saying later 'i didn't say from when' |
| [21:40:00] | scotepi: | kormoc, dont realy want to spend more then $80 though |
| [21:40:00] | kormoc: | scotepi, you could get a bttv software card, it will suck cpu cycles and look like shit, but your call. |
| [21:41:00] | brejc8: | Or someone who says "this is just the sort of thing we should be doing" when presented with an idea. Ofcause that actually means "NO!" |
| [21:41:00] | brejc8: | My bos started doing that |
| [21:41:00] | scotepi: | kormoc, i have a Hauppauge bt878 card, and some reson it sucks with mythtv, runs at 100%cpu and is about 2fps on a 2800+ |
| [21:41:00] | Chutt: | heh |
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| [21:42:00] | Art_Bell: | then get a card with a hardware encoder |
| [21:42:00] | kormoc: | scotepi, yup, hence why you eather pay the little extra for a hardware mpeg2 card or deal with it :P |
| [21:42:00] | mchou: | vote no and vote often :) |
| [21:42:00] | scotepi: | the 150 is hardware isnt it |
| [21:42:00] | kormoc: | it is |
| [21:43:00] | xris: | woah, Chutt in the users channel... |
| [21:43:00] | Chutt: | xris, i joined to find you last week or whatnot |
| [21:43:00] | xris: | oh, heh. |
| [21:43:00] | mchou: | yeah, what happened? #mythtv channel broke? :) |
| [21:43:00] | xris: | yeah, I need more screen space so I can keep more channels open without confusing myself. |
| [21:43:00] | Chutt: | then i've just been idling |
| [21:43:00] | Chutt: | today i was just laughing at tommck |
| [21:44:00] | xris: | lol |
| [21:44:00] | brejc8: | Seemed a bit cruel. Is he a regular? |
| [21:45:00] | rjune_: | if I have two independant backends, is there a way to (from within myth) transfer media from one to the other? |
| [21:45:00] | Chutt: | he was a regular idiot in the dev channel, honestly |
| [21:45:00] | brejc8: | Right |
| [21:46:00] | rjune_: | aka, I've got a backend in my house, and I would like to put one in my car, and occasionally just copy data over. |
| [21:46:00] | laga: | rjune_: i wonder if cyberknet was doing something like that. |
| [21:46:00] | rjune_: | I dunno |
| [21:46:00] | laga: | (hint: ask him) |
| [21:46:00] | laga: | or was it greyfoxx? |
| [21:46:00] | laga: | bloody brain :> |
| [21:47:00] | rjune_: | heh |
| [21:47:00] | Chutt: | how much does anyone want to bet that the current idiot on the -dev list didn't restart his backend? |
| [21:47:00] | Chutt: | (channel ordering thing) |
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| [21:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [21:51:00] | hadeees: | can anyone here recommend a good ps2 controller or xbox controller to usb that works well under linux |
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| [21:52:00] | laga: | hadeees: i have a saitek one. it works, but i dunno if the quality will match your criteria |
| [21:52:00] | Art_Bell: | you can make your own for xbox |
| [21:52:00] | Art_Bell: | its easy |
| [21:53:00] | Art_Bell: | just need duct tape and a knife |
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| [21:53:00] | Art_Bell: | and xbox controller and half a usb cord |
| [21:53:00] | hadeees: | Art_Bell, yeah i know but i kind of wanted to buy one, since i seee them for like $10 |
| [21:53:00] | twisted_one: | Hello everyone... |
| [21:53:00] | twisted_one: | =) |
| [21:54:00] | hadeees: | also i wonder how well like the logitech xbox wireless controller would work if i had two of them with the recivers inside my htpc case |
| [21:54:00] | twisted_one: | Im having some issues getting myth to work with my PVR-500, anyone around who has such a setup? |
| [21:54:00] | mchou: | hadeees: rat shack used to have ps2 to usb converters for $0. |
| [21:54:00] | mchou: | $10* |
| [21:54:00] | Art_Bell: | can't beat $0 :) |
| [21:54:00] | twisted_one: | sure you can |
| [21:54:00] | twisted_one: | -$50 is nice |
| [21:55:00] | twisted_one: | I've gotten that before |
| [21:55:00] | mchou: | hadeees: it works ok. |
| [21:55:00] | hadeees: | mchou, you tried it? |
| [21:55:00] | mchou: | yup. |
| [21:55:00] | hadeees: | neat, do you have multiple of them? |
| [21:55:00] | mchou: | nope, just one. |
| [21:55:00] | hadeees: | i also was thinking of taking the cases off the xbox recivers since they are bulky |
| [21:55:00] | hadeees: | mchou, is the reciver in your case? |
| [21:56:00] | mchou: | hadeees: huh??? receiver for what? |
| [21:56:00] | hadeees: | mchou, i was talking about the logictech wireless xbox controller |
| [21:56:00] | Art_Bell: | you look at the ati controller ? its usb and is rf |
| [21:57:00] | mchou: | hadeees: nope. dont have that one |
| [21:57:00] | hadeees: | Art_Bell, so is the Niveus |
| [21:58:00] | mchou: | I dont grok the point of have an RF remote when all media devices are IR :) |
| [21:59:00] | mchou: | like why go throug an extra translation later that's worse than ir?? |
| [21:59:00] | mchou: | layer* |
| [21:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | 1 guess, no need to be in line of sight for one |
| [21:59:00] | GreyFoxx: | my GF routinely plays mp3's and pauses them fromthe kitchen even though they are playing in the living room |
| [22:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | lots of people run a long set of cables or a wireless video transmitter to a TV in a different room than the pc and use the remote to pause video |
| [22:00:00] | GreyFoxx: | But of course you would have to ask the people who make it for the real reasons. |
| [22:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | And in the niveus case it's both universal learning ir plug rf to the usb module, best of both worlds |
| [22:02:00] | mchou: | lol, so far the only real usage case of rf is "pause." Maybe ff/rw/stop. Any other use cases? |
| [22:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | and remote control of a pc that is in another room wyet the display is happenning in a different location. they are mice also, not just play,pause, etc |
| [22:03:00] | GreyFoxx: | But again, those are just the quick off the top of my head ones. |
| [22:04:00] | rjune_: | mchou: isn't that the reason for an IR remote? |
| [22:04:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: wireless video transmitter? you have an example? |
| [22:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou, uhh, there are tons of them |
| [22:04:00] | rjune_: | radioshack used to sell them, neat little gadgets |
| [22:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | walk into radioshack |
| [22:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | or x10 |
| [22:05:00] | rjune_: | they sold audio transmitters too |
| [22:05:00] | mchou: | lol, x10 is spam crap :) |
| [22:05:00] | rjune_: | the protocol, not the company |
| [22:05:00] | GreyFoxx: | I know a few people who just use them to transmit stuff to their TV in another room rather than have a pc in the living room or who didn't want to run cables |
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| [22:10:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: wow. just checked out rat shack wireless video is steep. much rather have a Hauppauge MVP :) |
| [22:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: Not everyone wants to run an ethernet cable through their house to their TV |
| [22:11:00] | Chutt: | everyone doesn't have their entire house wired? |
| [22:11:00] | mchou: | exactly. Structured wiring here :) |
| [22:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | I do now. Didn't when I moved in :() |
| [22:12:00] | ** laga doesnt have wiring. ** | |
| [22:12:00] | mchou: | plus get a wireless USB/eth dongle if you have to :) |
| [22:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | Not everyone wants to buy an access point nor any ethernet -> wireless bridge |
| [22:13:00] | mchou: | lol :) |
| [22:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | if all you want is simple video playback from another room, wireless transmitting is relatively cheap and dead simple to setup |
| [22:13:00] | GreyFoxx: | problem is that anyone with a receiever locally can also watch :) |
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| [22:16:00] | cygdev: | can someone explain what is a Common Interface card and a CAM module ? |
| [22:16:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: well, the part I disagree on is the "relatively cheap." I think there are better solutions for "not much more." A Xbox (for me) would have more utility than wireless video rx/tx. |
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| [22:17:00] | GreyFoxx: | better solutions FOR YOU. You gotta remember not everyone wants what you want. why buy an xbox if you never play games? Why buy an wireless usb module to connect to that xbox (which will require an ap to be purchased too) otherwise why run an ethernet cable upstairs and around a corner if you don't want to have cables through your house or dril holes? |
| [22:18:00] | GreyFoxx: | For someone who wants simple video from their pc in another part of the house, who don;'t want a pvr, don't want to spend a ton of money or have complicated setups, it's a simple plug it in solution |
| [22:18:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: which is why I qualified the statement. I think anyone who has a laptop in the house would already have an AP/router.... |
| [22:19:00] | GreyFoxx: | who said anything about a laptop? the majority of computer owners don't have laptops |
| [22:19:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: OK, you win :) |
| [22:20:00] | mchou: | haha |
| [22:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | wooo |
| [22:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [22:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | I wasn't looking to win. Just point out that there are different reasons for this stuff, not just reasons for you to use it :) |
| [22:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | man it is way too nice outside to be staying in . |
| [22:21:00] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: no doubt. My objection to wireless video is it's too steep compared to other solutions out there. |
| [22:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | uhhh $100CDN is not steep compared to the price of everything you just mentioned :) |
| [22:22:00] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [22:22:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | xbox,laptop =P |
| [22:22:00] | mchou: | MVP is street $80. AP + eth dongle is street $50 |
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| [22:23:00] | mchou: | of course that's USD, though. |
| [22:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | Dude, I don't know where you shop, but an ap, plus a ethernet to wireless bridge is much more than $50 |
| [22:23:00] | mchou: | Frys :) |
| [22:24:00] | GreyFoxx: | 100CDN = $80 US |
| [22:24:00] | mchou: | I bough 802.11g router for <$20. |
| [22:24:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | Frys is cheap. |
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| [22:24:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | And they have evrything. |
| [22:24:00] | mchou: | bzcat_-|patch_p1: they dont have everyting :) |
| [22:25:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | mchou: everything ive looked for they had. |
| [22:25:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | But Im just a simple desktop user. |
| [22:25:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | Im pretty much buy standard pc parts |
| [22:26:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | video cards, memory, dvd player, tv tuner , hardrive, monitor , useb ide cables ect ect |
| [22:26:00] | mchou: | rat shack web site says video rx/tx is U$$99 |
| [22:26:00] | mchou: | US$99 |
| [22:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: I see then on sale for $100 CDN every other week |
| [22:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | or get them from x10 for less during sales |
| [22:27:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | whats video rx/tx? |
| [22:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | wow, outpost/frys ships to Canada again. |
| [22:28:00] | mchou: | http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog . . . ;site=search |
| [22:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | bzcat_-|patch_p1: wireless transmission |
| [22:28:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | Oh I have a small transmitter reciever I bought long ago from X10 |
| [22:28:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | its old |
| [22:28:00] | twisted_one: | I love having a frys store nearby =) |
| [22:29:00] | GreyFoxx: | twisted_one: For a long long time they wouldn't ship to Canada. Nice to see they do now |
| [22:29:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | Mine aint waliking distance , but like a 10 min driver. |
| [22:29:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | s/driver/drive |
| [22:29:00] | mchou: | bzcat_-|patch_p1: lol. that'd be too much temptation :) |
| [22:29:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | mchou: rofl , yes. |
| [22:30:00] | mchou: | bzcat_-|patch_p1: you have pvr150 from frys? |
| [22:30:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | pvr150? |
| [22:30:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | That some kind of tv tuner? |
| [22:30:00] | mchou: | heh, guess not then :) |
| [22:30:00] | mchou: | yup. |
| [22:30:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | If so no...... |
| [22:30:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | I have some cheap bttv compatible card |
| [22:31:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | ati wonder pro thing |
| [22:31:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | it was cheap |
| [22:31:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | like 70 bucks at frys |
| [22:31:00] | mchou: | bzcat_-|patch_p1: lol, what you waiting for?? go to frys man now :) |
| [22:31:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | It does the job tho. |
| [22:31:00] | mchou: | pvr150 is $60 & HW encode. |
| [22:32:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | Nah I go to buy one thing and I come out with 10 things. |
| [22:32:00] | mchou: | hahah |
| [22:32:00] | twisted_one: | what is bttv/ |
| [22:32:00] | twisted_one: | ? |
| [22:32:00] | twisted_one: | <--- n00b |
| [22:32:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | its a driver |
| [22:32:00] | kormoc: | it's a old chipset that is software tv |
| [22:32:00] | kormoc: | it's a chipset... |
| [22:32:00] | twisted_one: | ah ok. =) |
| [22:32:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: I got it working last night =) |
| [22:33:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | for brooktree compatible cards |
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| [22:33:00] | kormoc: | bzcat_-|patch_p1, which have a bttv chip on them... :P |
| [22:33:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) |
| [22:33:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | obviously. |
| [22:34:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | mchou: I need more ram tho Im only running 128 ddr which is really bad. |
| [22:34:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | Ill probably go this weekend if I dont gamble my money at the local casino. |
| [22:34:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | Texas hold em is so addictive. |
| [22:35:00] | mchou: | ram is cheap now. 1GB for $80 |
| [22:35:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | mem[Physical: 122MB Total, 28MB Free | Swap: 258MB Total, 213MB Free] |
| [22:35:00] | twisted_one: | anyone know how to completely wipe myth off of a gentoo system, I think I set it up wrong and want to start from scratch, btu I cant seem to dump all of it. |
| [22:35:00] | kormoc: | mchou, only 150 outpost.com has is $99.99 |
| [22:35:00] | mchou: | kormoc: that's outpost, not frys :) |
| [22:35:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | mchou: ddr ram and at frys? |
| [22:35:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, unmerge mythtv, mysql -u root -p, drop the table |
| [22:35:00] | kormoc: | mchou, that's fry's online store. |
| [22:35:00] | mchou: | bzcat_-|patch_p1: yup. 2 sticks |
| [22:36:00] | mchou: | kormoc: like I said, outpost is not frys. |
| [22:36:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | ok kewl. |
| [22:36:00] | kormoc: | mchou, hence the Fry's Electonic's thing in the top courner. |
| [22:36:00] | twisted_one: | I picked up 512mb for $18 after rebates at frys a week ago |
| [22:36:00] | mchou: | kormoc: lol. Try returning stuff you got at outpost to frys or vice versa :) |
| [22:37:00] | twisted_one: | mchou: they are two seperate operations |
| [22:37:00] | mchou: | twisted_one: my point exactly :) |
| [22:37:00] | kormoc: | mchou, well duh, but they have the same stuff. Hell you can't return things to different staples, it has to be the same store you got it from |
| [22:37:00] | twisted_one: | I got pissed when I went to frys and found the shit that was on sale at outpost was full price at frys and they refused to do anything about it. =\ |
| [22:37:00] | kormoc: | mchou, but that doesn't make each staples a different company... |
| [22:37:00] | mchou: | kormoc: see??? :) |
| [22:37:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: sure you can. |
| [22:37:00] | rjune_: | don't they have a price match thing? |
| [22:37:00] | twisted_one: | nope |
| [22:37:00] | kormoc: | mchou, so each and every staples is a different company? wow... |
| [22:38:00] | mchou: | they do pricematch, but only to local B&M :) |
| [22:38:00] | mchou: | they dont pricematch to other frys even :) |
| [22:38:00] | rjune_: | nice. |
| [22:39:00] | rjune_: | and you want to shop there why? |
| [22:39:00] | rjune_: | I'm not cool enough to have a fry's nearby |
| [22:39:00] | mchou: | because of the liberal return policies and insane low prices. |
| [22:39:00] | rjune_: | ah |
| [22:39:00] | eelriverlt: | rjune, You lucky not to have a fry's near by |
| [22:39:00] | kormoc: | mchou, so insane they can't even tell you what they sell? |
| [22:39:00] | rjune_: | eelriverlt: I was thinking that might be the case, but hey |
| [22:39:00] | kormoc: | sounds like a rip |
| [22:40:00] | mchou: | kormoc: huh?? what you babbling on about? |
| [22:40:00] | kormoc: | if they can't even put on the website what they sell, how are you to buy it? |
| [22:40:00] | mchou: | kormoc: huh?? Frys is B&M |
| [22:41:00] | kormoc: | or should I go drive a few hundred miles and see if they have it in stock? |
| [22:41:00] | kormoc: | B&M? |
| [22:41:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [22:41:00] | mchou: | brick and mortar. |
| [22:41:00] | kormoc: | Barns and Mobils? |
| [22:41:00] | kormoc: | so how am I to buy these great deals from frys if I don't even know what they have nor get to one without 5 hours of driving? |
| [22:41:00] | eelriverlt: | rjune, I was 0/2 last week at Fry's One bad stick of memory out of a matched set (Gave up the ghost 1 hour into a Gentoo bootstrap), and this was after I returned a 6800 oc video card that wouldn't work. |
| [22:42:00] | mchou: | kormoc: lol, iirc, there is a frys in SEATAC :) |
| [22:42:00] | kormoc: | google maps said otherwise when he last checked. |
| [22:42:00] | mchou: | huh???? |
| [22:42:00] | kormoc: | found a bunch of fast food places but no electronic stores. |
| [22:43:00] | mchou: | haha! |
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| [22:43:00] | mchou: | kormoc: http://frys.com/ |
| [22:43:00] | mchou: | there is one in Renton. |
| [22:43:00] | kormoc: | yay for frys internet |
| [22:44:00] | kormoc: | notice the shop online at fry's outpost.com? |
| [22:44:00] | mchou: | kormoc: you need to learn how to goggle, grasshopper. |
| [22:44:00] | ** kormoc googled for frys ** | |
| [22:45:00] | kormoc: | renton != seatac |
| [22:45:00] | mchou: | kormoc: that's like sayinge netfix buy dvds at walmart. |
| [22:45:00] | mchou: | doesnt make them the same store. |
| [22:46:00] | kormoc: | netflix doesn't say to shop online to go to walmart |
| [22:46:00] | kormoc: | Domain Name: OUTPOST.COM |
| [22:47:00] | kormoc: | Registrant: |
| [22:47:00] | kormoc: | Fry's Electronics, Inc. |
| [22:47:00] | kormoc: | Domain servers in listed order: |
| [22:47:00] | kormoc: | NS1.FRYS.COM |
| [22:47:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: whats the name of the table in mysql? |
| [22:47:00] | kormoc: | it seems rather much like outpost is run by frys. |
| [22:48:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, mythconverg |
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| [22:48:00] | mchou: | kormoc: hehe, it does seem that way, but I can assure you, they have different stuff, prices, and different policies |
| [22:49:00] | mchou: | and just because a domain is registered to the another owner doesnt make them the same entity. |
| [22:50:00] | kormoc: | with the same buisness name? I don't see how they are seperate. |
| [22:50:00] | mchou: | anyone who has shopped at frys and outpost knows they are very different. |
| [22:50:00] | mchou: | kormoc: lol. which part of "different operations" dont you grok? |
| [22:51:00] | kormoc: | Fry's Electronic's Outpost.com |
| [22:51:00] | kormoc: | show me on the site where they say they arn't a part of fry's |
| [22:51:00] | kormoc: | their title says they are... |
| [22:51:00] | mchou: | Berkeshire's Hathaways AIG? |
| [22:51:00] | mchou: | lol. |
| [22:51:00] | iggy: | bestbuy and bestbuy.com are the same way |
| [22:52:00] | iggy: | go to bestbuy and try to get them to match prices to stuff on the website |
| [22:52:00] | mchou: | iggy: lol, get bust buy to try pricematch, period :) |
| [22:52:00] | mchou: | iggy: they dont even do that. They weasel |
| [22:53:00] | iggy: | quiet, you're ruining my point |
| [22:53:00] | mchou: | haha :) |
| [22:53:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: what the heck is the command delete it then, I dont see it in \? |
| [22:53:00] | twisted_one: | worstbuy sucks, they shouldn't even be mentioned along side fry's |
| [22:54:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, DROP mythconverg; |
| [22:54:00] | kormoc: | never went to a bestbuy |
| [22:54:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: its just giving me a prompt below it... |
| [22:54:00] | iggy: | unfortunately, fry's isn't everywhere |
| [22:54:00] | twisted_one: | mysql> DROP mythconverg |
| [22:54:00] | twisted_one: | -> |
| [22:54:00] | twisted_one: | iggy: true |
| [22:54:00] | iggy: | ; |
| [22:54:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: is that the expected behavior? |
| [22:54:00] | iggy: | SQL commands end with ; |
| [22:54:00] | twisted_one: | oh, thanks =) |
| [22:55:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | If I didnt have a frys nearby id probably do alot more online shopping. |
| [22:55:00] | twisted_one: | now it tells me there is a syntax error.. hrmm |
| [22:55:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | Pricewatch or something. |
| [22:55:00] | iggy: | me humps newegg |
| [22:55:00] | iggy: | my damn slash is broken |
| [22:55:00] | twisted_one: | mysql> DROP mythconverg; |
| [22:55:00] | twisted_one: | ERROR 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'mythconverg' at line 1 |
| [22:56:00] | twisted_one: | iggy, see what I am doing wrong? =\ |
| [22:56:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | Yeah bought a video card from newegg. |
| [22:56:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | video[nVidia Corporation NV35 [GeForce FX 5900XT] (rev a1)] |
| [22:56:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | that one |
| [22:56:00] | twisted_one: | I like newegg, buy alot from there. |
| [22:57:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | Standard shipping didnt take so long either. |
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| [22:57:00] | twisted_one: | nope, they are good about it. |
| [22:57:00] | VaderDarth: | hi |
| [22:58:00] | twisted_one: | I like fedex, they always get my standard (5–7 day) here in 2 |
| [22:58:00] | VaderDarth: | can one run mythtv on a p3 600MhZ |
| [22:58:00] | VaderDarth: | with 128 ram |
| [22:58:00] | iggy: | it may run, but that's about it |
| [22:58:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | I think 256 is whats posted but i run 128. |
| [22:59:00] | VaderDarth: | iggy: is it worth getting a dvd drive for the p3 |
| [22:59:00] | twisted_one: | iggy: can you see what i am doing worng with my drop command? |
| [22:59:00] | brejc8: | If you want to compile then 256 is the min. CPP sucks a lot of ram |
| [22:59:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | But im soon going for 1 gig of kingston ram. |
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| [22:59:00] | VaderDarth: | brejc8: i may upgrade to 256 |
| [22:59:00] | iggy: | twisted_one: not really, did you try mysqladmin? |
| [22:59:00] | VaderDarth: | is cpu fast enough? |
| [23:00:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | brejc8: yeah Im using gentoo so I compiled 128 ram was enough. |
| [23:00:00] | twisted_one: | iggy: nope, never knew about it. |
| [23:00:00] | brejc8: | VaderDarth: RAM is silly prices now |
| [23:00:00] | VaderDarth: | what about knoopymyth |
| [23:00:00] | VaderDarth: | how much for such an old machine? |
| [23:00:00] | iggy: | twisted_one: mysqladmin $mysql_opts drop mythconverg |
| [23:00:00] | VaderDarth: | i am in uk? |
| [23:01:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | VaderDarth: your propably talking about sdram? |
| [23:01:00] | VaderDarth: | i think it is 100Mhz |
| [23:01:00] | VaderDarth: | sdram |
| [23:01:00] | twisted_one: | iggy: thanks, that worked =) |
| [23:01:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | That would be cheap here in the US |
| [23:01:00] | VaderDarth: | ebay?? |
| [23:01:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | but im not sure on the exact price |
| [23:01:00] | brejc8: | buy a new board and cpu in that case. CPU=30 quid, Board = 20. Ram 512 =20 quid |
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| [23:02:00] | VaderDarth: | can i use the same case ? |
| [23:02:00] | brejc8: | probably |
| [23:02:00] | VaderDarth: | it is an old dell |
| [23:02:00] | brejc8: | Yeah they use pretty standard parts |
| [23:03:00] | brejc8: | A new case would be another 20 |
| [23:03:00] | VaderDarth: | is it worth buying a dvd drive and using it as a glorifed dvd palyer |
| [23:03:00] | brejc8: | Sod that. get a DVDRW. (30 quid) |
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| [23:03:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | I have a dvdplayer that burns cds and dvds that I got at frys for like 60 bucks. |
| [23:03:00] | VaderDarth: | it is not 30 quid here in the uk |
| [23:03:00] | brejc8: | Play divx movies recorded onto dvds |
| [23:04:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | whats quid? |
| [23:04:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [23:04:00] | mchou: | pounds |
| [23:04:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | oh |
| [23:04:00] | brejc8: | ex vat |
| [23:04:00] | brejc8: | let me find one |
| [23:04:00] | VaderDarth: | it is like $50 |
| [23:05:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | any ideas on where I can get a fast athlon cpu motherboard combo online for cheap ? |
| [23:05:00] | VaderDarth: | http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/DVD_RW_Drives.html |
| [23:05:00] | brejc8: | http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=165473 |
| [23:05:00] | VaderDarth: | http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Sempron_Bundles.html |
| [23:05:00] | brejc8: | 31.37 |
| [23:05:00] | VaderDarth: | is cheaper |
| [23:05:00] | mchou: | bzcat_-|patch_p1: why not frys |
| [23:05:00] | mchou: | hehe :) |
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| [23:06:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | mchou: well If I can find it cheaper than frys than id buy there. |
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| [23:06:00] | mchou: | bzcat_-|patch_p1: forget it. It wont be cheaper than frys. |
| [23:06:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | mchou: Maybe I can get the at warehouse pricing. |
| [23:07:00] | mchou: | frys basically gives you mobo for free. |
| [23:07:00] | VaderDarth: | guys do you think the p3 can play dvds |
| [23:07:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | hehe |
| [23:07:00] | kormoc: | frys sucks. |
| [23:07:00] | mchou: | bzcat_-|patch_p1: even if the mobo may be "crappy" |
| [23:07:00] | brejc8: | VaderDarth: With a decent video card sure |
| [23:07:00] | VaderDarth: | like an old nvidia one? |
| [23:08:00] | kormoc: | depends on how old |
| [23:08:00] | mchou: | bzcat_-|patch_p1: you can always ebay the mobo :) |
| [23:08:00] | VaderDarth: | tnt2 |
| [23:08:00] | Roots^: | http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/kc.asp?bn=10293 |
| [23:08:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | wow tnt2 |
| [23:08:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | I had that before i got the 5900 |
| [23:08:00] | mchou: | VaderDarth: should work OK. |
| [23:08:00] | kormoc: | it should work, but it depends. |
| [23:08:00] | VaderDarth: | with drivers? |
| [23:08:00] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [23:09:00] | nick125: | wee! im gonna get a 2.1 speaker set....40w per speaker, plus 80w for the sub |
| [23:09:00] | kormoc: | one does need drivers |
| [23:09:00] | VaderDarth: | nvidia binary? |
| [23:09:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | yeah |
| [23:09:00] | VaderDarth: | what distro u will suggest pls |
| [23:09:00] | kormoc: | that's where it depends on if the nvidia driver supports the tnt2 or not |
| [23:09:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | I couldnt use mm-sources with the tnt2 so I upgraded. |
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| [23:09:00] | brejc8: | VaderDarth: I go for FC3 because it is very easy with apt-get |
| [23:10:00] | mchou: | bah, even free nv driver should work just fine with playing dvds. |
| [23:10:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | I had to use the newer drivers than I was using and they were not compaible with tnt2s. |
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| [23:10:00] | VaderDarth: | brejc8: thanks, what wm should i use kde |
| [23:10:00] | VaderDarth: | gnome xfce ?? |
| [23:10:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | VaderDarth: id say fluxbox |
| [23:10:00] | kormoc: | which ever one you perfer? |
| [23:10:00] | kormoc: | blackbox! greybox! blackbeard! |
| [23:10:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | but kde is so bloat for a machine like that |
| [23:10:00] | brejc8: | VaderDarth: KDE is quite heavy. but it doesnt relly matter. You can run without one |
| [23:10:00] | VaderDarth: | i don't think there is fluxbox on FC3 |
| [23:11:00] | mchou: | VaderDarth: better yet dont use WM at all. console all the way! |
| [23:11:00] | kormoc: | brejc8, not really... |
| [23:11:00] | ethics: | morning all....whats a |
| [23:11:00] | ethics: | bah |
| [23:11:00] | VaderDarth: | how?? |
| [23:11:00] | kormoc: | brejc8, at least, not if you don't want to deal with major focus issues |
| [23:11:00] | VaderDarth: | mchou: how from console |
| [23:11:00] | ethics: | whats the better gui for memcoder?...kde pref...im looking to move from mpeg2 to mpeg4 but i would like to play with numbers etc |
| [23:11:00] | mchou: | VaderDarth: as backend only :) |
| [23:11:00] | brejc8: | kormoc:Oh yeah I forgot about mplayer |
| [23:12:00] | kormoc: | brejc8, even just myth has focus issues without a wm |
| [23:12:00] | VaderDarth: | ok I have a large DVD collection |
| [23:12:00] | mchou: | VaderDarth: I'm using P2 450 as backend w/1TB storage |
| [23:12:00] | VaderDarth: | can i rip them to hdd and set this machine as a dvd jukebox |
| [23:12:00] | brejc8: | kormoc:I just assumed it would center it self and work. I jusy run with gnome or fvwm2. |
| [23:12:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | VaderDarth: how big is the hardrive? |
| [23:12:00] | VaderDarth: | well i will get a new one |
| [23:13:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | ah |
| [23:13:00] | VaderDarth: | the one is 6gb |
| [23:13:00] | mchou: | lol |
| [23:13:00] | VaderDarth: | perhaps 200GB |
| [23:13:00] | mchou: | that's puny |
| [23:13:00] | ethics: | VaderDarth, yup |
| [23:13:00] | kormoc: | brejc8, yeah, it doesn't tho |
| [23:13:00] | brejc8: | 1 hour of tv = 2GB |
| [23:13:00] | VaderDarth: | it is enough for the OS? |
| [23:13:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | yeah |
| [23:13:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | sure |
| [23:13:00] | brejc8: | OS is around 6–10 GB |
| [23:13:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | FC#? |
| [23:13:00] | kormoc: | brejc8, depends on the rip quality :P Mine is 400 megs a hour. |
| [23:13:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | FC3 |
| [23:13:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | wow |
| [23:13:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | glad Im using gentoo. |
| [23:14:00] | VaderDarth: | but i will not install all the crap |
| [23:14:00] | brejc8: | If you want to compile/mail/whatever |
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| [23:14:00] | ethics: | VaderDarth, viewing from the 450 will be somewhat jumpy without tweaking |
| [23:14:00] | kormoc: | shit, I guess my 1.5 gig full os is just a kiddy os. |
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| [23:14:00] | VaderDarth: | like recompiling? |
| [23:14:00] | brejc8: | VaderDarth: then you can get it down to 1–2 (I did for my laptop) |
| [23:14:00] | VaderDarth: | what should i select to install? |
| [23:15:00] | VaderDarth: | minimal? |
| [23:15:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | VaderDarth: whatever you think your gonna be using |
| [23:15:00] | VaderDarth: | Mysql |
| [23:15:00] | brejc8: | VaderDarth: you gonna compile your own mythtv or just use precompiled? |
| [23:15:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | Xorg for sure |
| [23:15:00] | ** kormoc ponders removing doom3 and ut2004 and getting his os down to 600 megs level ** | |
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| [23:15:00] | VaderDarth: | use precompiled or whichever is easy |
| [23:15:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | precompiled is probably easier |
| [23:15:00] | brejc8: | VaderDarth: then you dont need the dev stuff |
| [23:16:00] | brejc8: | you can install the dependencies with apt |
| [23:16:00] | VaderDarth: | so can i rip my dvds to it as a library |
| [23:16:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | mythtv can do that right |
| [23:16:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | ? |
| [23:16:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | I use k3b for that myself |
| [23:16:00] | kormoc: | mythdvd can if it works |
| [23:17:00] | VaderDarth: | like u know mp3 jukebox |
| [23:17:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | But I think myth can dot that. |
| [23:17:00] | VaderDarth: | like i have 150DVDs |
| [23:17:00] | VaderDarth: | most of them region 2 |
| [23:17:00] | VaderDarth: | so changing is a pain |
| [23:17:00] | VaderDarth: | i want to have them all in one place |
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| [23:18:00] | VaderDarth: | and select say into action, comedy etc |
| [23:18:00] | kormoc: | 150 dvd's at say 4 gig's each is 600 gigs of data at least |
| [23:18:00] | VaderDarth: | can i not like compress it? |
| [23:18:00] | kormoc: | mythvideo won't orginize like that... |
| [23:18:00] | kormoc: | sure, it'll take a long time |
| [23:19:00] | VaderDarth: | like how long? |
| [23:19:00] | kormoc: | say 2 hours per dvd, or 300 hours if you have a fast box |
| [23:19:00] | VaderDarth: | per dvd? |
| [23:19:00] | kormoc: | my 2.4 compresses a dvd in 2 hours |
| [23:19:00] | VaderDarth: | 2.4 what amd? |
| [23:19:00] | kormoc: | p4 |
| [23:19:00] | VaderDarth: | or p4 |
| [23:19:00] | VaderDarth: | he eh |
| [23:19:00] | kormoc: | what speed proc are you using? |
| [23:19:00] | VaderDarth: | 600 |
| [23:19:00] | VaderDarth: | MHz ;-) |
| [23:19:00] | bzcat_-|patch_p1: | hmm |
| [23:19:00] | VaderDarth: | p3 |
| [23:19:00] | kormoc: | more like say, 6 to 8 hours per dvd |
| [23:20:00] | VaderDarth: | compress into what format pls |
| [23:20:00] | kormoc: | maybe more |
| [23:20:00] | kormoc: | that would be just into mpeg4 |
| [23:20:00] | kormoc: | xvid would take say 12 to 16 hours |
| [23:20:00] | VaderDarth: | how big is it in mpeg4? |
| [23:20:00] | kormoc: | 1 gig or so |
| [23:21:00] | VaderDarth: | so like 180GB for 150 DVDz |
| [23:21:00] | kormoc: | at 1 gig mpeg4 will show artifacts tho |
| [23:21:00] | kormoc: | water will look blocky and stuff |
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| [23:21:00] | GeckoFiend: | 2.2g is tolerable for me |
| [23:22:00] | VaderDarth: | 2.2 * 150 is like 330 |
| [23:22:00] | VaderDarth: | so maybe i get 2* 200G drives |
| [23:22:00] | kormoc: | yet alone the months to rip it all. |
| [23:23:00] | brejc8: | Probably easier to run MLDonkey and steal it all ready compressed |
| [23:23:00] | GeckoFiend: | VaderDarth you can configure the disks using LVM and then expand space onto additional disks as needed. |
| [23:23:00] | brejc8: | ;) |
| [23:23:00] | VaderDarth: | GeckoFiend: cool |
| [23:23:00] | GeckoFiend: | brejc8 cept most people rip with really crappy quality |
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| [23:23:00] | GeckoFiend: | "ohhhhhh let's put a DVD on a CD" no effing thank you |
| [23:24:00] | brejc8: | GeckoFiend: That is true. Very annoying to find someone has dropped the resolution to something stupid |
| [23:24:00] | VaderDarth: | but i want all my dvds in one place so that it is aeasy to change? |
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| [23:24:00] | brejc8: | Make a CD changer. I saw one made from wood parts and stuff years ago |
| [23:25:00] | kormoc: | VaderDarth, figure it'll take 75 days if you manage 2 dvd's a day every day. |
| [23:25:00] | brejc8: | http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/tech/changer.html |
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| [23:25:00] | VaderDarth: | when i go out for work I put 1 in |
| [23:25:00] | VaderDarth: | and when I come back another in |
| [23:25:00] | brejc8: | Half a year later..... |
| [23:25:00] | VaderDarth: | I ahve all on disk ;-) |
| [23:25:00] | brejc8: | oh sorry 3 months |
| [23:25:00] | lunasun: | Does anybody know HOWto crop 2% broadcasting overscum with TRANSCODE???? |
| [23:26:00] | xris: | lunasun: look at the nuvexport code |
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| [23:27:00] | VaderDarth: | do i need extra stuff for playing dvds on myth? |
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| [23:27:00] | brejc8: | mplayer or the other one.... someone tell em |
| [23:27:00] | kormoc: | xine |
| [23:28:00] | kormoc: | and mythdvd and mythvideo |
| [23:28:00] | twisted_one: | I am setting up myth again.... I have a question |
| [23:28:00] | brejc8: | no there is one specially made for dvd playback |
| [23:28:00] | kormoc: | ogre? |
| [23:28:00] | brejc8: | thats the one |
| [23:28:00] | brejc8: | works great |
| [23:28:00] | twisted_one: | I want to start commercial flaggin as soon as it starts recording, any suggestions on how powerful my machine should be for this? |
| [23:28:00] | kormoc: | meh, I perfer xine to ogre. |
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| [23:29:00] | twisted_one: | xine is better IMHO =) |
| [23:29:00] | brejc8: | I poss didnt give xine a chance |
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| [23:29:00] | VaderDarth: | so in final analysis should i use mythtv? |
| [23:29:00] | twisted_one: | Sempron 2200, 512 MB, good enough to start commercial flaggin when recording starts? |
| [23:29:00] | VaderDarth: | or use medi porta with win ;-) |
| [23:30:00] | brejc8: | VaderDarth: If you dont mind spending a little time and money over it then it works great. |
| [23:30:00] | brejc8: | VaderDarth:The wife likes it too. |
| [23:30:00] | VaderDarth: | well i am a bit broke now |
| [23:30:00] | VaderDarth: | and i dont have a wife |
| [23:30:00] | VaderDarth: | :-( |
| [23:31:00] | brejc8: | VaderDarth:Chicks love the software. You will be able to get one for sure that way ;) |
| [23:31:00] | twisted_one: | heh, I know both of those =P |
| [23:31:00] | twisted_one: | brejc8: that is the exact reason im doing this =P |
| [23:31:00] | VaderDarth: | i don't think so |
| [23:31:00] | twisted_one: | for the women that will throng ot me afterwards =P |
| [23:32:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, perpair to be disappointed. |
| [23:32:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: dont you destroy my hopes you bastard! |
| [23:32:00] | twisted_one: | =P |
| [23:32:00] | VaderDarth: | how do u make dvd region free? |
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| [23:33:00] | twisted_one: | Hrmm, I have two options with my video input... |
| [23:34:00] | twisted_one: | the video device and the defualt input.... |
| [23:34:00] | twisted_one: | they 500 shows up as two seperate devices (video0 and video1) |
| [23:34:00] | twisted_one: | do I also want to use tuner0 wiht video0 and tuner1 with video1? |
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| [23:35:00] | kormoc: | likly |
| [23:36:00] | twisted_one: | ok, I would think that if I used tuner0 on both I would get two streams of the same data. |
| [23:36:00] | kormoc: | yup |
| [23:36:00] | kormoc: | well, actually |
| [23:36:00] | kormoc: | tuner 0 would be busy, so the second one couldn't get anything |
| [23:37:00] | twisted_one: | oh ok. |
| [23:37:00] | twisted_one: | hrmm my subscirption to zap2it exires soon, is there a way to renew, I didnt see on on their site yesterday. |
| [23:38:00] | kormoc: | you get a link to a survey, fill that out and it's renewed |
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| [23:39:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: is sent via email near the expiration date? |
| [23:40:00] | emes: | how do you manually install a theme in the .mythtv dir? |
| [23:40:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, ya |
| [23:40:00] | dhofstra: | emes just untar it and drop it in your theme location |
| [23:40:00] | twisted_one: | kormoc: thank you sir. |
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| [23:40:00] | emes: | dhofstra: theme location? |
| [23:40:00] | dhofstra: | which is usually /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes if you compiled yourself or... |
| [23:40:00] | twisted_one: | Hrmm, why is it soo hard on the CPU to parse the tv listings? |
| [23:41:00] | dhofstra: | it is in /usr/share/mythtv/themes if you used an rpm |
| [23:41:00] | LiquidSlumber: | can anyone help me install nuv2avi? |
| [23:42:00] | emes: | dhofstra: and apparently at /Applications/MythFrontend.app/Contents/Resources/share/mythtv/themes on os x :) |
| [23:42:00] | LiquidSlumber: | the genric install commands don't seem to work |
| [23:42:00] | dhofstra: | LOL |
| [23:43:00] | LiquidSlumber: | anybody? |
| [23:44:00] | LiquidSlumber: | come on ... just a little help would be greatly appreciated |
| [23:44:00] | dhofstra: | wish I knew, but I have never even tried nuv2avi sorry... |
| [23:45:00] | LiquidSlumber: | wanta to try it? |
| [23:45:00] | LiquidSlumber: | it looks like it should be easy to install, just a make, make install |
| [23:45:00] | LiquidSlumber: | command line program |
| [23:45:00] | twisted_one: | what is it? |
| [23:45:00] | twisted_one: | oh, nevermind |
| [23:45:00] | twisted_one: | nuv is myth's format correct? |
| [23:45:00] | LiquidSlumber: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/nuvtools/nuv2avi.php |
| [23:46:00] | twisted_one: | (sorry, havent quite even got my myth working yet, just started today) =) |
| [23:46:00] | VaderDarth: | can i use the myth tv as a backend and stream videos via wirless?? |
| [23:46:00] | LiquidSlumber: | oh well good luck, are you using the knoppmyth cd thing? |
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| [23:48:00] | twisted_one: | hrmm, looks interesting |
| [23:48:00] | twisted_one: | how do the files get from the mpeg2 to mpeg4 though? |
| [23:48:00] | VaderDarth: | !bye |
| [23:48:00] | LiquidSlumber: | i don't know, either it doesn't work, or it reencodes it i guess |
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| [23:49:00] | LiquidSlumber: | the .nuv to mpeg4 is done by simply resynchronizing the video / audio |
| [23:51:00] | LiquidSlumber: | the site says :MPEG2 files are not .NUV and will never<font size="3"> be supported</font> |
| [23:52:00] | LiquidSlumber: | i think i also remember something about renaming the .nuv file to .avi |
| [23:52:00] | LiquidSlumber: | on another site |
| [23:52:00] | LiquidSlumber: | it maybe the .nuv mpeg 2 files are actually .avi files in dissues |
| [23:52:00] | LiquidSlumber: | probably not, but it's worth a try |
| [23:52:00] | kormoc: | myth's nuv isn't true nuv.... |
| [23:53:00] | LiquidSlumber: | i know |
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| [23:53:00] | kormoc: | they are nupple container with issac improvements containing mpeg2/4/rtjpeg with mp3/wav audio. |
| [23:54:00] | LiquidSlumber: | yeah i heard that they used .nuv because it has a lot of sync options |
| [23:54:00] | kormoc: | per frame audio sync |
| [23:54:00] | LiquidSlumber: | that was a big problem for me in windows |
| [23:54:00] | LiquidSlumber: | i was using virtual vcr |
| [23:54:00] | LiquidSlumber: | before i switched to linux |
| [23:55:00] | LiquidSlumber: | it got it to work pretty well, but it didn't have commercial skipping and what not |
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| [23:55:00] | LiquidSlumber: | i did it for my senior thesis, so if any body wants to check out how to record tv in windows |
| [23:55:00] | LiquidSlumber: | http://www.geocities.com/black_ultimate/DVR.htm |
| [23:56:00] | twisted_one: | yay, tv is workign in myth... well barely |
| [23:57:00] | LiquidSlumber: | can you change channels? |
| [23:57:00] | twisted_one: | when I cahnge channles the picture freezes and it takes like 3 seconds to change.. any ideas on that? |
| [23:57:00] | twisted_one: | barely =) |
| [23:57:00] | LiquidSlumber: | i never had a slow channel chaning problem, but i did have a problem where i couldn't change channels |
| [23:57:00] | kormoc: | that's fast! |
| [23:58:00] | twisted_one: | fast? |
| [23:58:00] | kormoc: | twisted_one, some pvr 150's take 5 to 15 seconds to change the channel |
| [23:58:00] | twisted_one: | bleh |
| [23:58:00] | twisted_one: | ouch |
| [23:58:00] | kormoc: | basically you have to remember what it's doing |
| [23:58:00] | twisted_one: | so its a driver issue for now/ |
| [23:58:00] | kormoc: | nope |
| [23:58:00] | kormoc: | hardware |
| [23:58:00] | twisted_one: | ok... |
| [23:58:00] | twisted_one: | well kormoc when I use ptune-ui to change its instant |
| [23:58:00] | kormoc: | you change the channel, the tuner tunes it in, makes it's nice and steady |
| [23:58:00] | twisted_one: | so I can only assume this is a myth thing.... =\ |
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| [23:58:00] | dhofstra: | the 3 seconds thing is likely the buffer. Myth has live video about 2–3 seconds behind real live tv |
| [23:58:00] | kormoc: | then it passes it to the mpeg encoder, which waits till it gets a bunch of frames |
| [23:58:00] | twisted_one: | dhofstra: any way to fix this? |
| [23:59:00] | kormoc: | then it passes it onto myth, which then buffers a few seconds. |
| [23:59:00] | twisted_one: | well its mighty annoying when I want to "surf" |
| [23:59:00] | kormoc: | no, there isn't :P |
| [23:59:00] | twisted_one: | bleh |
| [23:59:00] | kormoc: | surf with a pvr? |
| [23:59:00] | LiquidSlumber: | yeah, just use a tv for that |
| [23:59:00] | kormoc: | just select which shows you want and let it record them all nice? |
| [23:59:00] | LiquidSlumber: | myth is much better for recording tv than watching |
| [23:59:00] | LiquidSlumber: | except that is, for the epg |
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