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Wednesday, May 18th, 2005, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:00] gnarface: i hear spicy food is supposed to fill you up more.
[00:00:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[00:00:00] kormoc: yeah, I love spicy foods
[00:00:00] gnarface: you could always try that.
[00:00:00] kormoc: xris thinks I'm mucho nutto
[00:00:00] gnarface: or, you could just keep the weight.
[00:00:00] gnarface: if there were famine you'd be a survivor :-p
[00:00:00] kormoc: I could, but I don't want it
[00:00:00] kormoc: meh
[00:01:00] kormoc: surviving is overrated :P
[00:01:00] gnarface: of course
[00:01:00] gnarface: your co-workers may decide to eat you
[00:01:00] gnarface: so that plan can backfire
[00:02:00] kormoc: I want to get down to 160 lbs.
[00:03:00] j-rod: 160... I think I weighed that much as a sophomore in high school...
[00:03:00] kormoc: Well, I'm only 6 foot, so my optimal body weight is something like 165 to 170
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[00:04:00] j-rod: hm...
[00:04:00] kormoc: so I figure drop below it a little, then I can eat a little bit more till I stablize at it
[00:04:00] gnarface: 2 solid hours of real exercise at least 4 days a week will do that for anyone
[00:04:00] j-rod: 165 to 170 seems a bit light to me
[00:04:00] gnarface: the problem is finding the time
[00:04:00] j-rod: I'm 6'3" 235lb
[00:04:00] j-rod: working out full-time as a college athlete, my playing weight was about 225
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[00:05:00] j-rod: and that's baseball, not football, so no bulking up
[00:05:00] kormoc: my doctor told me he would like to see me down at 140 to 150
[00:05:00] j-rod: though I do recall my wife reading some crap about optimal body weights and her saying that according to that, I was morbidly obese
[00:05:00] kormoc: and I think that's a bit low...
[00:06:00] gnarface: don't forget muscle weighs more than fat by a decent margin
[00:06:00] kormoc: Well...
[00:06:00] j-rod: my 34x36 Levis say otherwise...
[00:06:00] kormoc: I'd give up muscle for a decient looking body.
[00:07:00] gnarface: heh. you could just buy bigger jeans
[00:07:00] gnarface: its not a crime
[00:07:00] j-rod: I had more muscle when I weighed 225
[00:07:00] j-rod: jeans w/a bigger waist would fall off me
[00:07:00] gnarface: hmm.
[00:07:00] gnarface: duct tape?
[00:08:00] j-rod: (actually, 36in waist would be fine, but 38 would need the duct tape)
[00:08:00] kormoc: I just wonder at how I would look so light, I'm sorta broad framed, not a lot of fat on the upper body, just got a bit of a gut.
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[00:08:00] gnarface: ... there are always short cuts...
[00:08:00] j-rod: lipo!
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[00:08:00] kormoc: heh
[00:08:00] kormoc: it it didn't cost so much...
[00:09:00] kormoc: maybe I'll drop back to 500 calories.
[00:10:00] j-rod: I think I burn a few thousand calories a day chasing my 2 year old
[00:10:00] gnarface: 500 is scary
[00:10:00] gnarface: ramen and water diet?
[00:10:00] gnarface: speed?
[00:10:00] j-rod: yummy...
[00:10:00] kormoc: 500 is 1 can of apple juice, 1 peanut butter sandwhich, 1 can of diet soup and a banana
[00:10:00] gnarface: hey anyone seen Cardoe lately?
[00:11:00] kormoc: nopers
[00:12:00] kormoc: and as much celery as I can eat :P
[00:13:00] dhofstra: you're actually not morbidly obese unless you qualify for the 'dickydoo' award
[00:13:00] kormoc: hrm?
[00:14:00] dhofstra: its when your belly sticks out farther than your dickydoo
[00:14:00] kormoc: heh, not quite that bad...
[00:14:00] kormoc: but yeah, the idea is to make sure that never happens
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[00:15:00] j-rod: now, the dickydoo test isn't the best measuring stick, because what about a guy that's pretty fat, but has a really long doo? (paging Ron Jeremy?)
[00:16:00] dhofstra: LOL
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[00:16:00] j-rod: heh, measuring stick... no pun was intended
[00:17:00] dhofstra: ahh, just looked up the obesity chart... I have lots more burgers to eat apparently.. 5'11 is 215lbs
[00:17:00] ** j-rod is not morbidly obese, regardless of the length of the measuring stick **
[00:17:00] j-rod: mmm.... burgers....
[00:17:00] kormoc: dhofstra, what's it say for 6 foot?
[00:18:00] kormoc: 220?
[00:18:00] dhofstra: 221lbs
[00:18:00] j-rod: and 6'3"?
[00:18:00] j-rod: :)
[00:18:00] kormoc: yeah, I'm morbidly obese.
[00:18:00] opello: lol
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[00:20:00] dhofstra: I am not overweight, but I would have serious problems if I were, because I just HATE exercise.
[00:22:00] dhofstra: maybe I'd have to put a bicycle that would power my myth system, that'd keep me in shape.
[00:22:00] Bob-Laptop: lol
[00:22:00] bobc: I figure that if I could just hook an exercycle to a generator to power my computer, I'd have the motivation to exercise
[00:22:00] bobc: damn
[00:22:00] dhofstra: heh
[00:22:00] bobc: you beat me to it
[00:23:00] iggy: I switched to diet soda, and 1 meal a day, I'm down about 15 pounds without having to move a finger any further than necessary
[00:23:00] dhofstra: diet pop saved me about 20 lbs
[00:23:00] iggy: I find it very difficult to exercise
[00:23:00] kormoc: over how long of a period?
[00:24:00] Bob-Laptop: I cut way back on pop last year and lost 45Lbs
[00:24:00] Bob-Laptop: In 7 months
[00:24:00] dhofstra: did you ever try that 'splenda' diet coke? that stuff rocks!
[00:24:00] iggy: about a year ago, I switched to diet, about a month ago switched to 1 meal
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[00:24:00] kormoc: my problem with diet stuff is
[00:24:00] dhofstra: I lost ~25 lbs just by going diet pop, and making lunch a salad and soup
[00:24:00] iggy: trouble is, I started at 160
[00:24:00] bobc: you guys are making me hungry
[00:24:00] kormoc: I'm alergic to sweat n low and that other one...
[00:24:00] Bob-Laptop: My wife got pregnant and I gained 50Lbs in 9 months
[00:25:00] kormoc: I'm sorta scared to try the splenda stuff...
[00:25:00] iggy: Bob-Laptop: she probably lost it quicker too
[00:25:00] dhofstra: I hope they use splenda for all diet sodas soon
[00:25:00] Bob-Laptop: iggy: you got that right
[00:25:00] bobc: sweat n low, huh. I think that's my problem too. I'm allergic to anything that makes me sweat
[00:25:00] iggy: dhofstra: indeed
[00:25:00] kormoc: *Sweet
[00:25:00] kormoc: sorry...
[00:26:00] kormoc: sip of normal diet soda = hours of headaches
[00:26:00] kormoc: full glass = day or two suck in bed in massive pain
[00:26:00] dhofstra: kormoc, the splenda is one of the types of sugar that is found in natural sugar, only just the one kind
[00:27:00] kormoc: Yeah, I've been told that too, but like... I sorta don't want to test it, ya know?
[00:28:00] iggy: it's worth a sip just to find out
[00:29:00] kormoc: yeah
[00:29:00] kormoc: I just fear the day I become diabetic.
[00:30:00] iggy: do it at work at about 11, by lunch time, your boss will feel sorry for you, and send you home
[00:30:00] iggy: assuming it has a bad effect
[00:30:00] kormoc: yay, so then I have money issues too :P
[00:30:00] iggy: then you get out of a half day of work, and don't get charged for a sick day
[00:30:00] iggy: unless you have a really anal boss
[00:30:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[00:30:00] kormoc: I'm a hourly paid
[00:30:00] kormoc: nah, xris is my 'manager'
[00:30:00] iggy: ahh, I know how that is
[00:30:00] kormoc: but like, if I can't work, I don't get paid.
[00:31:00] iggy: blows
[00:31:00] kormoc: yeah
[00:31:00] kormoc: also no medical or anything of that sort
[00:31:00] iggy: definitely know how that is
[00:32:00] kormoc: just moved 3000 miles away from home 2 months ago... :P
[00:32:00] iggy: I need to go to a dentist, I think I'm going to break down and pay for it myself
[00:32:00] kormoc: yeah, I need my wisdom teeth cut out but can't afford it yet, it hurts :/
[00:32:00] iggy: damn, I've just got a cavity
[00:32:00] iggy: you're screwed
[00:32:00] kormoc: heh, yeah...
[00:33:00] kormoc: the story of my life :P
[00:33:00] kormoc: too bad it's the bad sorta screwed
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[00:36:00] gnarface: i want all my teeth replaced with titanium
[00:36:00] gnarface: that way i can use them as bottle openers
[00:37:00] sunilonln: does anyone run a mythfrontend on a mac mini?
[00:38:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: whats the command to bring up the setup screen for mythtv?
[00:38:00] sunilonln: mythtvsetup
[00:39:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: thanks
[00:39:00] bzcat_-|patch_p1: I was typing mythsetup
[00:39:00] sunilonln: no prob
[00:41:00] Mrgoose: I have all these .nuv's i need to cut the commercials from then save
[00:41:00] Mrgoose: anyway to keep the audio/video in sync
[00:42:00] iggy: Mrgoose: flag them, then use nuvexport
[00:42:00] Mrgoose: yea
[00:42:00] Mrgoose: they get out of sync when i use nuvexport
[00:42:00] fryfrog: what happens if you let myth cut them?
[00:42:00] fryfrog: then use nuv export?
[00:42:00] Mrgoose: out of sync
[00:43:00] fryfrog: what if you myth cuts them then you play in myth?
[00:43:00] fryfrog: same thing?
[00:43:00] Mrgoose: yes
[00:43:00] fryfrog: suke
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[00:44:00] SarahEmm: hihi
[00:45:00] kormoc: hihi
[00:45:00] Mrgoose: fryfrog: is that the method you use?
[00:45:00] fryfrog: i dont cut
[00:45:00] fryfrog: i just use the flag list to skip, then when i'm done watching i delete
[00:46:00] iggy: Mrgoose: sounds like you've got other issues, I used to have lots of trouble with transcodings getting out of sync due to shitty onboard sound having a cruddy time source
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[00:46:00] iggy: don't ask me how it did it, I just know putting another sound card in it fixed
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[00:52:00] jason_: mythfrontend complains that it can't find the visor theme. However, visor is installed in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/visor
[00:52:00] jason_: i rsync'd /usr/local/share/mythtv with my desktop where i can use visor
[00:53:00] SarahEmm: where is the mythfrontend binary installed?
[00:54:00] jason_: /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend
[00:54:00] jason_: just do which mythfrontend
[00:54:00] SarahEmm: hrm.
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[00:55:00] SarahEmm: personally i'd strace the process to see what file it was trying to open, but without that, i dunno =-/
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[01:35:00] ^|Genocide|^: anybody about
[01:35:00] ^|Genocide|^: i just have a question..is there a remote i can use w/ the mythtv software..
[01:35:00] GreyFoxx: Most any remote can be gotten to work with Myth
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[01:36:00] GreyFoxx: as long as you have have receiver that can read the signal you can likely pro
[01:36:00] GreyFoxx: gram lirc to deal with it
[01:36:00] ^|Genocide|^: cool...when i get some money i'm thinkin about setting up a pvr :D
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[01:36:00] GreyFoxx: cool :)
[01:36:00] ^|Genocide|^: mythtv seemed like a cool choice
[01:36:00] ^|Genocide|^: it's free and it looks good
[01:36:00] GreyFoxx: they are handy. Mine gets used all the time
[01:37:00] ^|Genocide|^: plus i like the rippin dvd's thing ;)
[01:37:00] GreyFoxx: I've never actually used that
[01:37:00] ^|Genocide|^: after that..the next thing on my list is to go work at movie gallery
[01:37:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol
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[01:38:00] GreyFoxx: I've never even checked out the ripping of CD's or DVD's in myth. Maybe one day I'll get around to it, but it's not that important for me
[01:39:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol ya
[01:39:00] ^|Genocide|^: i looked at some other software
[01:39:00] ^|Genocide|^: don't remember the name of it
[01:39:00] ^|Genocide|^: but didn't see that option
[01:39:00] ^|Genocide|^: so i was like..bleh, why use this and pay for it, when i can use something free and know i have that option
[01:39:00] j-rod: this makes me laugh: http://gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/131132
[01:40:00] ^|Genocide|^: dang..this is my first time on irc in like 6 months..lol
[01:40:00] ^|Genocide|^: multiplayer notepad is addictive...
[01:40:00] j-rod: Genocide, seeing as how you're a RH guy, you may want to check out http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php
[01:40:00] ** j-rod toots his own horn for a sec **
[01:41:00] ^|Genocide|^: hah
[01:41:00] ^|Genocide|^: the one thing i don't get about that post
[01:41:00] ^|Genocide|^: among other things
[01:41:00] GreyFoxx: j-rod: Yeah, that is pretty lame
[01:41:00] ^|Genocide|^: is the 'restart' thing
[01:42:00] ^|Genocide|^: umm..to my knowledge linux doesn't have to be rebooted much..short of a kernel upgrade everything else can be upgraded w/o a box reboot
[01:42:00] j-rod: the laughable part is "one of the hurdles to being a Gentoo user..."
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[01:43:00] j-rod: the restart isn't usually needed, but that's not the part that makes me laugh. :)
[01:43:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol..what's wrong w/ gentoo...
[01:43:00] ^|Genocide|^: i've never used it so i don't have an opinion either way
[01:43:00] SarahEmm: <-- gentoo grrl
[01:43:00] SarahEmm: backend and all frontends running it :)
[01:43:00] ** j-rod is Red Hat's bitch **
[01:44:00] ^|Genocide|^: that fedora link is goin into my 10 minute scrollable favorites list
[01:44:00] kormoc: gentoo gal, nice :P
[01:44:00] j-rod: but I've run Gentoo enough to know it fairly well
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[01:44:00] SarahEmm: gentoo runs nicely on the xbox, and mythfrontend runs nicely on that :)
[01:44:00] j-rod: RH/FC is my #1 (it pays all the bills), Debian/Ubuntu #2
[01:45:00] SarahEmm: heh, RH/win/IOS pays my bills, Gentoo is at home :)
[01:45:00] j-rod: eh, only if you don't care about HDTV. :)
[01:45:00] ^|Genocide|^: j-rod..me and a friend are going to open a comp repair biz
[01:45:00] ** SarahEmm does not. **
[01:45:00] SarahEmm: (care about HDTV)
[01:45:00] ^|Genocide|^: you think there would be any money in showin this sort of thing to ppl..and making them one for a fee
[01:45:00] j-rod: my first two capture devs are both HD, I care lots about it
[01:45:00] SarahEmm: ahh
[01:45:00] SarahEmm: i'm on analog cable here
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[01:46:00] j-rod: Genocide, there are a few folks selling Myth boxes, dunno
[01:46:00] pc_: Hello!
[01:46:00] SarahEmm: hi pc_
[01:46:00] ** GreyFoxx is a Slackware man when I have a choice for a linux box. otherwise OpenBSD or Solaris **
[01:46:00] j-rod: HD off cable w/my DCT-6200, HD OTA w/a HD2k
[01:46:00] ^|Genocide|^: me either..looks cool tho...i imagine ppl would pay for one
[01:46:00] pc_: I have a litle problem getting sound recorded from WinTV Pro 401 dbx card
[01:46:00] pc_: when using the snd_bt87x module.
[01:47:00] SarahEmm: you sure that card is bt87x, and has audio support?
[01:47:00] SarahEmm: many bt87x cards don't suppor taudio
[01:47:00] pc_: Yes, I can see the mixer
[01:47:00] j-rod: btw, Genocide, the fedora site is mine
[01:47:00] pc_: for that card (which is card 1, card 0 being primary)
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[01:47:00] ^|Genocide|^: sick, so you must be a mad guru
[01:47:00] pc_: I have also successfully recorded video clips from command line from that module.
[01:48:00] j-rod: something like that :)
[01:48:00] pc_: Using steps outlines in
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[01:48:00] ^|Genocide|^: awesome
[01:48:00] pc_: http://www.linux.com/howtos/BTTV/recording.shtml
[01:48:00] pc_: However, when I set /dev/dsp1 as audio source
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[01:48:00] pc_: I get "read audio: Input/output error" many times in mythbackend.log
[01:48:00] SarahEmm: what if you cat /dev/dsp1?
[01:49:00] egsavage: Jarod, thanks for your site – it's a great guide
[01:49:00] pc_: so somehow mythbackend is not able to to read /dev/dsp1
[01:49:00] NightStorm: wonder if somenoe could help me out...im using xine for video/dvd playback and im having problems with audio studdering... getting a lot of audio_decoder: unknown buffer errors during playback... i had similar problems with mplayer, but fixed it by telling mplayer to increase the size of the audio buffer... anyone know of such a command for xine?
[01:49:00] pc_: Hmm, I haven't tried "cat" int /dev/dsp1, let me try that...
[01:49:00] j-rod: badly in need of some loving care and updates right now, but seems to actually be holding up pretty well right now... :)
[01:49:00] pc_: Hmm, nothing....
[01:49:00] NightStorm: o sblive sound card btw running alsa 1.08
[01:50:00] ^|Genocide|^: are u using fbsd?
[01:50:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol n/m
[01:50:00] ^|Genocide|^: shows u how perceptive i am
[01:50:00] egsavage: a strange think happened with my ivtv drivers on the box i'm setting up (FC3). One day, it recognized my pvr-250 card fine. Next day/boot, it thought it was a pvr-150! Not sure what happened there.
[01:51:00] ^|Genocide|^: i zoned..was watchin tv
[01:51:00] egsavage: strange thing (not think) ;-)
[01:51:00] pc_: Yeah, cat /dev/dsp1 died printing "/dev/dsp1: input/Output error"
[01:51:00] SarahEmm: okay.. something's wrong with the drivers then
[01:51:00] SarahEmm: anything in dmesg?
[01:52:00] egsavage: yeah, something about wrong type or something... the thing is I didn't change anything from one day to the next!
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[01:52:00] pc_: Nope, I don't see anything in dmesg
[01:52:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol..maybe kudzu had somethin to do w/ it
[01:52:00] pc_: perhaps OSS emulation of alsa for this particular card is broken...
[01:52:00] egsavage: i'll have to play with that some more tonight. And get TV out going on the ATI (with Beirdo's xconfig file as a guide)
[01:52:00] SarahEmm: pc: not sure then...
[01:52:00] SarahEmm: pc: it could be...
[01:52:00] SarahEmm: pc: i have to use OSS for my ATI TV Wonder card
[01:53:00] pc_: I see...
[01:53:00] SarahEmm: using ALSA generates all kinds of weirdness
[01:53:00] pc_: I see...
[01:53:00] pc_: I would have to do kernel recompile
[01:53:00] SarahEmm: okay..
[01:53:00] SarahEmm: modules are your friend :)
[01:53:00] pc_: right..
[01:53:00] pc_: I compiled ALSA support in kernel, figuring I'm not gonhna move my cards around miuch
[01:53:00] pc_: BTW, is it possible to use ALSA for primary card, and OSS for the btaudio card?
[01:54:00] kormoc: sure is
[01:54:00] pc_: Or, I need to go all the way through to OSS?
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[01:54:00] ^|Genocide|^: man...i'll tell u this much..99% of this convo has gone beyond my knowledge level
[01:54:00] SarahEmm: heh
[01:54:00] SarahEmm: <-- professional geek
[01:54:00] pc_: :)
[01:54:00] eelriverlt: SarahEmm, If you don't use OSS do you get "sound until reboot" happening on that card?
[01:55:00] ** j-rod is also a professional geek, working almost exclusively on Linux systems **
[01:55:00] ^|Genocide|^: i'm a wannabe geek
[01:55:00] ^|Genocide|^: i'm learnin tho
[01:56:00] ^|Genocide|^: i like harry potter, star wars, and lotr..i play magic and d&d...i guess u could say i'm a geek
[01:56:00] SarahEmm: lol ^|Genocide|^
[01:57:00] gnarface: wow.
[01:57:00] gnarface: i miss d&d
[01:57:00] SarahEmm: eelriverlt: i don't remember. i set the box up ~2y ago and haven't touched the audio end since
[01:57:00] SarahEmm: it Just Works :)
[01:57:00] gnarface: nobody plays that in big cities
[01:57:00] pc_: SarahEmm: Thanks anyways. Gotta go now.
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[01:58:00] ^|Genocide|^: ya cause they all think u're a child sacrificing devil worshipper if u do..so most ppl don't play it
[02:00:00] ^|Genocide|^: that's way number 102 to kill a convo
[02:00:00] SarahEmm: lol
[02:00:00] ** SarahEmm twiddles thumbs while waiting for another nwe kernel compile.... **
[02:01:00] ** SarahEmm takes advantage of myth and puts on simpsons instead of thumb twiddling ;) **
[02:01:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol
[02:01:00] ^|Genocide|^: so do u have to have tv-out to play it on a tv?
[02:01:00] ^|Genocide|^: i mean, i would assume
[02:01:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[02:01:00] SarahEmm: yes...
[02:01:00] GreyFoxx: or a TV that has VGA/DVI in
[02:01:00] ^|Genocide|^: i guess you could get by w/ s-video out
[02:01:00] GreyFoxx: most do
[02:02:00] SarahEmm: *nods*
[02:02:00] ^|Genocide|^: this is kinda off topic
[02:02:00] SarahEmm: not really
[02:02:00] SarahEmm: err, up to now it hasn't been anyway
[02:02:00] ^|Genocide|^: but do you know of any way to offer cable tv over the net
[02:03:00] SarahEmm: heh
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[02:03:00] SarahEmm: well, myth can stream recordings.. you could start a recording of a channel then stream it
[02:03:00] kormoc: how ,uch bandwidth do ya got?
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[02:03:00] ^|Genocide|^: i'd like to expand my business into WISP and then expand that into iptv
[02:03:00] kormoc: you'd need to licence and all that...
[02:04:00] ^|Genocide|^: what wisp?
[02:04:00] SarahEmm: uhh
[02:04:00] SarahEmm: redistributing tv
[02:04:00] kormoc: the tv content you are distributing
[02:04:00] ^|Genocide|^: oh..ya i figured as much
[02:04:00] ^|Genocide|^: that's just a technicality
[02:04:00] sunilonln|away: and probably wisp too
[02:04:00] kormoc: and the bandwidth to do so?
[02:04:00] ^|Genocide|^: nah, not if u stayed within the 2.4 ghz range
[02:04:00] kormoc: really
[02:04:00] kormoc: if you're gonna do that
[02:04:00] kormoc: you'd want something better then myth...
[02:04:00] SarahEmm: ^|Genocide|^: okay, but you need to buy bandwidth that can be resold then :)
[02:04:00] sunilonln|away: i don't think a wisp in the 2.4 range would do very well
[02:05:00] SarahEmm: yeah, myth is the wrong tool for the job
[02:05:00] eelriverlt: SarahEmm, Thanks, setting this up right has been a pain, that's why I'm lurking and googling
[02:05:00] SarahEmm: sunilonln|away: sure it does, you just need lots of POPs :)
[02:05:00] SarahEmm: we have a few around here
[02:05:00] ^|Genocide|^: T3 backbone, but most of the bandwidth would be 'internal' bandwidth not inet b/w
[02:05:00] SarahEmm: eelriverlt: *nods* setting it up is a pain, but once it's up it's great :o)
[02:05:00] SarahEmm: ^|Genocide|^: uhh, how do you figure?
[02:05:00] SarahEmm: the i in wisp kind of implies that's not true ;)
[02:05:00] sunilonln|away: haha
[02:06:00] ^|Genocide|^: think of a proxied lan
[02:06:00] ^|Genocide|^: or natted
[02:06:00] kormoc: or a virutal private network?
[02:06:00] SarahEmm: huh?
[02:06:00] SarahEmm: okay, i can think of a NAT'd LAN...
[02:06:00] SarahEmm: how does that make it internal bandwidht?
[02:06:00] kormoc: but the thing is
[02:06:00] sunilonln|away: an ideal (except for the m$ part) would be a (w)isp that delivered content over wmvhd, or something like that
[02:06:00] ^|Genocide|^: if the broadcast server is internal, it's all internal bandwidth, not external
[02:06:00] GreyFoxx: You would still need netaccess/HW somewhere
[02:06:00] NightStorm: anyone know where the xine config file is stored on a fc3 rpm install
[02:06:00] sunilonln|away: there would be enough internal bandwidth to do it
[02:06:00] SarahEmm: ^|Genocide|^: right, but the ISP part isn't like that
[02:06:00] kormoc: if I'm on your 'virtual' lan, it's still going via the inet to get t ome
[02:07:00] ^|Genocide|^: how so?
[02:07:00] ^|Genocide|^: kormoc that how so was 2 u
[02:07:00] kormoc: how else will you get the data to me from there?
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[02:08:00] ^|Genocide|^: not necessarily
[02:08:00] sunilonln|away: kormoc: i think he only wants to distribute to his isp subscribers
[02:08:00] kormoc: so what? you don't send any data? :P
[02:08:00] kormoc: ahh
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[02:08:00] SarahEmm: then you're a WTVSP, not a WISP :P
[02:08:00] ^|Genocide|^: right on sarah
[02:08:00] SarahEmm: that's not a WISP then :)
[02:08:00] ^|Genocide|^: wth is a wtvsp
[02:08:00] SarahEmm: and good luck heh.
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[02:08:00] SarahEmm: wireless tv service provider
[02:09:00] SarahEmm: getting decent quality video to more than a couple people wirelessly is going to be a pain
[02:09:00] sunilonln|away: have fun getting licenses
[02:09:00] kormoc: yeah, licences are gonna be a bitch.
[02:09:00] ^|Genocide|^: for the tv re-distribution?
[02:09:00] sunilonln|away: they'd probably want encryption like nagra2 or something
[02:09:00] GreyFoxx: Actually that's not that hard
[02:09:00] sunilonln|away: which would require proprietary hardware
[02:10:00] GreyFoxx: get a c-band sat dish, and you can redistribute as you like.
[02:10:00] kormoc: my understanding was most networks are signed to certain providers
[02:10:00] SarahEmm: GreyFoxx: uhh, you can rebroadcast any tv shows with no issues?
[02:10:00] GreyFoxx: SarahEmm: Part of getting c-band service is the right to redistribute
[02:10:00] sunilonln|away: yeah right
[02:10:00] SarahEmm: ahh oaky
[02:10:00] SarahEmm: except you still need land and space on towers for your POPs :)
[02:10:00] GreyFoxx: it's how quite a few small cable ISPS get their feeds
[02:11:00] GreyFoxx: thats anbother matter :)
[02:11:00] ^|Genocide|^: so u think all this is just a pipe dream or u think it's possible?
[02:11:00] GreyFoxx: ^|Genocide|^: I think yuou have a lot more research ahead of you before you can truly decide if it's feasible/worth the time and money
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[02:12:00] SarahEmm: i think it's technically possible, but going to be a lot more work than you think
[02:12:00] SarahEmm: bandwidth alone will be an issue
[02:12:00] SarahEmm: and it'll be expensive to set up
[02:12:00] ^|Genocide|^: bleh..so much research, so little time
[02:13:00] SarahEmm: heh
[02:13:00] SarahEmm: do you work in the industry?
[02:13:00] ^|Genocide|^: not really..i live in a small town..not easy to get a tech job here
[02:13:00] SarahEmm: ahh okay.
[02:13:00] ^|Genocide|^: then u move into some other larger place and u can't get a job cause u don't have experience
[02:13:00] SarahEmm: then you get something entry level :)
[02:14:00] ^|Genocide|^: so u move back to ur little hometown and can't get a job to get the experience to get a better job in a bigger town
[02:14:00] SarahEmm: *shrug*
[02:14:00] ^|Genocide|^: it's a vicious cycle
[02:14:00] SarahEmm: okay
[02:14:00] ** SarahEmm meows **
[02:14:00] ^|Genocide|^: i probably could have had a job at the school i trained at
[02:14:00] ^|Genocide|^: but my attitude was $hitty
[02:14:00] ^|Genocide|^: and didn't get the job
[02:15:00] ^|Genocide|^: so i got mad and hacked the network
[02:15:00] ^|Genocide|^: that really screwed any possibility of getting a job
[02:15:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol
[02:15:00] ** SarahEmm started out coding in VB for minimum wage.. heh. **
[02:16:00] ^|Genocide|^: i don't like coding
[02:16:00] ^|Genocide|^: i coded a gt bot once
[02:16:00] ^|Genocide|^: rather good one at that
[02:16:00] ** SarahEmm doesn't like it either **
[02:16:00] SarahEmm: but it was experience and paid the bills
[02:16:00] ^|Genocide|^: but hated every minute of it
[02:16:00] iggy: anybody seen mythtv lockup and take X with it when exiting from watching a recording?
[02:16:00] SarahEmm: yep.
[02:16:00] SarahEmm: now it's 8y later and i'm doing what i like heh
[02:16:00] opello: iggy: i just had that happen actually
[02:16:00] SarahEmm: iggy: yikes. not i.
[02:16:00] SarahEmm: iggy: what version?
[02:16:00] opello: iggy: actually took the whole system
[02:16:00] iggy: opello: it happens everytime
[02:17:00] iggy: opello: if I press Alt+SysRq+K it'll kill X, I can then change to console 1, Ctrl+C what's left of X, then I have to run killall -9 X to finish it off
[02:18:00] iggy: SarahEmm: 0.18
[02:18:00] SarahEmm: hrm..
[02:18:00] SarahEmm: okay. i've not seen that
[02:18:00] opello: i don't have syskey magic built in, but next time, heh — 0.17 here
[02:18:00] ^|Genocide|^: don't get pissed and do rm -rf /
[02:18:00] opello: i'm updating after law & order :)
[02:18:00] SarahEmm: ^|Genocide|^: me?
[02:18:00] ^|Genocide|^: i did that once..that sucked
[02:18:00] ^|Genocide|^: nah, opello
[02:18:00] SarahEmm: oh.
[02:18:00] j-rod: later, boys and girls
[02:19:00] ^|Genocide|^: later j
[02:19:00] opello: ^|Genocide|^: hm?
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[02:19:00] ^|Genocide|^: opello: don't get pissed and do rm -rf /
[02:19:00] opello: ^|Genocide|^: oh, never ...
[02:19:00] ^|Genocide|^: i did that once
[02:20:00] ^|Genocide|^: when i was mad
[02:20:00] opello: heh
[02:20:00] ^|Genocide|^: ya, i had to reinstall
[02:20:00] opello: that's a bit too destructive for me
[02:20:00] ^|Genocide|^: well..guaranteed it'll stop that problem from happening
[02:20:00] opello: heh
[02:22:00] ^|Genocide|^: don't know about ur problem tho
[02:22:00] ^|Genocide|^: kick it and cuss at it in spanish
[02:23:00] opello: heh
[02:23:00] ^|Genocide|^: may not fix the problem, but it'll at least make u feel better
[02:23:00] opello: vete al infierno pvr!
[02:23:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol
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[02:23:00] opello: mi pvr es un carajo!
[02:24:00] SarahEmm: hmm, up here cussing at it in french would be more appropriate ;)
[02:24:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol
[02:24:00] opello: i got nothin there :)
[02:24:00] TBoomer2: Hey guys. Any means / script which can turn the filenames (.nuv files) into a friendly name? I was thinking something which could parse the database and just make symbolic links. would make my XBOXes much happier for TV show playback.
[02:24:00] ^|Genocide|^: su pvr es no trabajo
[02:24:00] dhofstra: mythlink.sh
[02:25:00] opello: si, es trabajando, pero trabajando malo
[02:25:00] GreyFoxx: TBoomer2: in the mythtv source, there is a contrib directory that has ascript called mythlink.sh which will make "pretty" readable name symlinks.
[02:25:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol
[02:25:00] TBoomer2: dhofstra: *nod* Thanks. If I had read the welcome topic, I would of seen that as well. Sorry for the repeat question.
[02:25:00] SarahEmm: TBoomer2: err.. what are you running on your xbox?
[02:25:00] TBoomer2: SarahEmm: It's chipped using XBMC.
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[02:25:00] TBoomer2: I know I can use MythTV on my XBOX, but I don't want to install a compressed Xnoppix image.
[02:25:00] SarahEmm: ahh okay :)
[02:26:00] ^|Genocide|^: i can't conjugate verbs in spanish
[02:26:00] ** SarahEmm is actually working on the finishing touches on her xbox setup heh **
[02:26:00] TBoomer2: GreyFoxx: Thanks Grey. I'll take a look at that script. Is it 'cron safe'?
[02:26:00] ^|Genocide|^: i'm sure u allready figured that out tho
[02:26:00] dhofstra: TBoomer2 : people read the topic? whats that
[02:26:00] TBoomer2: dhofstra: The welcome topic mentions a website which I searched, and in 2 seconds found the same answer you gave me.
[02:27:00] dhofstra: hehe
[02:27:00] TBoomer2: Evidently I'm my own worst enemy. the non-RTFM user.
[02:27:00] ** dhofstra was just kidding **
[02:27:00] dhofstra: sarcasm doesnt seem to work as well when you type
[02:27:00] GreyFoxx: TBoomer2: It deletes old symlinks before creating the links, so you might want to make sure it wont cause you issues if you are playing a file where the symlink goes away
[02:28:00] ^|Genocide|^: is there a dvd>dvd copier in myth
[02:28:00] TBoomer2: GreyFoxx: Shouldn't be a problem. I'll run it every night at 4am where no one is using either Myth or the XBOXes.
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[02:28:00] GreyFoxx: cool. I think I had to edit the source to add a .mpg to the resulting filenames, but that's simple enough
[02:28:00] ^|Genocide|^: like say u have 2 dvd burners..or a burner and a rom..can u drop a dvd in one and burn it directly to another
[02:29:00] SarahEmm: ^|Genocide|^: i doubt it
[02:29:00] GreyFoxx: No myth wont do that for you
[02:29:00] dhofstra: no, you can only copy a dvd to the harddrive and view it in mythvideo
[02:29:00] SarahEmm: first of all, a pressed DVD doesn't fit on a 4.5gb regular old DVD-R/+R without transcoding
[02:29:00] ** ^|Genocide|^ requests option **
[02:29:00] GreyFoxx: ^|Genocide|^: You will likely be told to code it yourself :)
[02:29:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol
[02:30:00] dhofstra: err, there are like a thousand tools to do that already
[02:30:00] SarahEmm: i was just going to say that! :o)
[02:30:00] ^|Genocide|^: damn, looks like i'm never gonna have that feature
[02:30:00] SarahEmm: write your own plugin to talk to a utility to do it :P
[02:30:00] dhofstra: I'm sure Isaac wouldnt want to pay the lawyers fees for having that 'feature' either
[02:30:00] TBoomer2: Wow. This contrib folder is just full of toys!
[02:30:00] TBoomer2: record setup via email.. Woooooooh.
[02:31:00] SarahEmm: really?
[02:31:00] dhofstra: TBoomer2 the real 'myth' is that you will ever get to watch your recordings ... there are so many other cool things to compile/add in.. hehe
[02:31:00] SarahEmm: that'd be extra-handy for those of us that carry blackberries :)
[02:32:00] TBoomer2: dhofstra: Indeed. I've just got to fix IVTV now. I'm getting a hardware *lock* for some reason which seems to only happen when IVTV is recording.
[02:32:00] ^|Genocide|^: i'm stoked about this pvr thing tho..i can't wait until i have the money to start building it
[02:32:00] dhofstra: TBoomer2 if you are using a 250, make sure to use 0.2x as it is Wayyy more stable than 0.3x
[02:33:00] ** dhofstra also notes 'locking in the middle of recording' smells alot like a via chipset **
[02:34:00] SarahEmm: anyone here running PVR-500s?
[02:35:00] dhofstra: nope, 2x250s and pchdtv here
[02:35:00] SarahEmm: okay
[02:35:00] TBoomer2: dhofstra: Yeah. I'm using 2.0rc-i I believe.
[02:35:00] ** SarahEmm only has one PCI slot, so the upgrade plan is to a PVR-500 from the software encoder card i'm using now **
[02:35:00] SarahEmm: (Bttv)
[02:35:00] SarahEmm: ... eventually, once i have time heh
[02:36:00] TBoomer2: Any way to statically note a password in a mysql command?
[02:36:00] TBoomer2: -p <password> still prompts.
[02:36:00] rtsai1111: Tboomer2: it is -p<password> (no space)
[02:36:00] TBoomer2: rtsai1111: Ah hah!
[02:36:00] TBoomer2: rtsai1111: Ata boy.
[02:37:00] TBoomer2: Thanks. That got it. And the script ran.
[02:37:00] SarahEmm: TBoomer2: rtfm? ;)
[02:37:00] TBoomer2: SarahEmm: *sigh* :P
[02:37:00] rtsai1111: Eh, I blame that on MySQL; they ought to not care about spaces like most every other UNIX command.
[02:37:00] ** SarahEmm nodnodnods **
[02:39:00] TBoomer2: There we go. Now to see if the XBOX likes it.
[02:39:00] TBoomer2: Don't know how well SMB will work with Symbolic links.
[02:39:00] SarahEmm: ahh
[02:39:00] ** SarahEmm trying to get her remote working in the xbox mythfrontend **
[02:40:00] dhofstra: SarahEmm you're not using xebian?
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[02:41:00] dhofstra: err, apparently the link is down anyway, sorry, but I got .18 working beautifully using the mythtv-xbox install script
[02:44:00] dhofstra: http://bit.blkbk.com/ would be the site for mythtv-xbox (if it were working) I believe the 0.45 beta is the one that installs 0.18
[02:45:00] SarahEmm: dhof: gentoox
[02:45:00] SarahEmm: dhofstra: why?
[02:45:00] SarahEmm: it's almost all good
[02:45:00] SarahEmm: myth runs great, only thing left to do is xir support
[02:45:00] SarahEmm: new kernel is built with xir.o, now just getting lirc built
[02:46:00] dhofstra: oh, ok. well, the bit.blkbk.com installs xebian for you, then installs and sets up myth ... all in one whack
[02:46:00] SarahEmm: ahh coolies
[02:46:00] jemarcks: Anybody try 0.18.1 yet?
[02:46:00] SarahEmm: i had some issues with stability on debian
[02:46:00] SarahEmm: jemarcks: been running it for a week or so
[02:46:00] SarahEmm: no issues so far
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[02:46:00] SarahEmm: one backend, a number of frontends, and dsmyth
[02:46:00] jemarcks: cool. I have 0.18 and was curious if it was worth upgrading
[02:47:00] SarahEmm: i don't see any huge reason to
[02:47:00] jemarcks: now if i could get nuvexport to run
[02:47:00] SarahEmm: getting mythfrontend installed on the xbox was a pain, and then i realized it was .18.1, so instead of messing with that again i upgraded the rest of the house around it heh :)
[02:47:00] TBoomer2: Ah. Sucess. I had to hack that script to get the .mpeg extention as well. But XBMC works just fine with that friendly name script.
[02:48:00] SarahEmm: cool! :)
[02:48:00] TBoomer2: GreyFoxx: You think I'd be able to run that script via cron every hour? What would happen if it ran during playback?
[02:48:00] TBoomer2: The filename *should* stay the same.
[02:48:00] dhofstra: TBoomer2 you are familiar with the XBMC-MythTV thingy that is out there
[02:49:00] SarahEmm: TBoomer2: stay the same yes, but be deleted and recreated
[02:49:00] fryfrog: XBMC-MythTV?
[02:49:00] TBoomer2: SarahEmm: That would be a problem on the file during playback, i'd be locked, but the others would be updated.
[02:49:00] TBoomer2: dhofstra: XMBC-MythTV thingy?
[02:49:00] TBoomer2: I'm afraid I'm not.
[02:49:00] SarahEmm: TBoomer2: *shrug* i dunno
[02:50:00] TBoomer2: I'm using stock XBMC which accesses the folder which stores all the .nuv files.
[02:50:00] dhofstra: TBoomer2: there is a xbmc script that attempts to be a mythfrontend (for the most part)
[02:50:00] dhofstra: I'll look it up for you
[02:50:00] TBoomer2: dhofstra: *boggle* That's new to me.
[02:50:00] dhofstra: heh
[02:50:00] SarahEmm: (but only works if your files are in MPEG2, right? of course, all of xbmc is that way)
[02:50:00] TBoomer2: *nod* I'm using a PVR250 so mine are all mpeg2.
[02:50:00] SarahEmm: i feel like the only person left on the planet still doing software encoding heh
[02:51:00] dhofstra: no, I think it is a plugin that makes it act like a frontend, but livetv appears as another video I think
[02:51:00] TBoomer2: SarahEmm: Hardware encoding is where it's at.
[02:51:00] TBoomer2: I'll never go back.
[02:51:00] SarahEmm: TBoomer2: *nods*
[02:51:00] SarahEmm: TBoomer2: show me a PVR-xxx card working with closed captioning and i'll switch ;)
[02:51:00] SarahEmm: until then, i'm using software. someday i'll have time to try to add it to ivtv....
[02:51:00] TBoomer2: SarahEmm: Eh. There is CC support with PVR cards.
[02:52:00] SarahEmm: yes, but not in ivtv
[02:52:00] SarahEmm: last i saw, anyway
[02:52:00] SarahEmm: if you wanna test, hit 't' while playing something back from the frontend..
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[02:52:00] TBoomer2: SarahEmm: Oh. I'm sure I dont' have CC enabled.
[02:53:00] TBoomer2: SarahEmm: You could very well be right about IVTV.
[02:53:00] SarahEmm: TBoomer2: myth always records it if it's available, you just normally don't play it back.
[02:53:00] SarahEmm: at any rate, ivtv doesn't (stabilly, reliably) support it
[02:53:00] SarahEmm: i don't have any real issue with software encoding other than that i'm limited to a single tuner tho.
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[02:55:00] dhofstra: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbmcmythtv <--- sadly this may be what I was talking about, you may find more info than this though
[02:56:00] dhofstra: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . xbmc;#130125
[02:57:00] jemarcks: http://pastebin.com/285910 ; I am having nuvexport problems. I seem to have HiRes.pm installed in the wrong place. Any ideas to get nuvexport running?
[02:57:00] jspotjj: hi – im having a problem using configuring lirc with a remote wonder – when I run irrecord im getting an "error could not reset hardware". Any ideas?
[02:57:00] TBoomer2: dhofstra: Thanks, I'll take a look at it.
[02:58:00] ^|Genocide|^: ok i'm gonna break the no dumbass rule in the topic
[02:58:00] ^|Genocide|^: but where's the contrib folder
[02:59:00] SarahEmm: in the source archive
[02:59:00] SarahEmm: under contrib/
[02:59:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol k
[02:59:00] ^|Genocide|^: thx
[03:02:00] dhofstra: I wish you could vote for american idol in mythtv :)
[03:02:00] rtsai1111: i wish mythtv could block american idle :)
[03:03:00] dhofstra: he he
[03:03:00] dhofstra: or do pitch correction during the show
[03:05:00] jams: nice dhofstra
[03:05:00] jams: that's called the studio
[03:06:00] dhofstra: there was actually an article on NPR about pitch correction in the studio on singers voices
[03:06:00] dhofstra: apparently they still use an algorithm to correct pitch that was developed by an oil engineer from sonic wave localization of oil
[03:12:00] GotD0t: haha
[03:12:00] SarahEmm: mew?
[03:12:00] dhofstra: yeah, I listen to NPR,... real funny eh? heh
[03:13:00] GotD0t: i listen to NPR as well
[03:13:00] rtsai1111: NPR rocks
[03:14:00] dhofstra: car-talk should win an emmy
[03:14:00] GotD0t: yea
[03:14:00] GotD0t: theres this funny piece of plastic or something thats hanging down from my car
[03:15:00] rtsai1111: I think it's your carberatuor. Use a paper clip to attach it to your gasket and you'll be back at 40mpg
[03:15:00] dhofstra: 'my muffler has HAIR coming out of it' should I do anything?
[03:15:00] GotD0t: haha
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[03:17:00] jason_: is there any reason mythfrontend would say it can't find a theme if it's been extracted to /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes?
[03:17:00] rtsai1111: permissions?
[03:17:00] jason_: mythfrontend continues to say the visor isn't there even though i copied the exact same files as are on my desktop where it works
[03:18:00] dhofstra: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4153600 by clicking 'listen' you can hear the article about pitch-correction. NPR rocks! (no soul-sucking registration required like NYT)
[03:19:00] GotD0t: haha
[03:21:00] jason_: it's chmod 755 and owned by root like all the other themes.
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[03:21:00] dhofstra: is visor compatible with 0.18? this may be an old theme with an old layout
[03:21:00] jason_: no, it works with .18 on my desktop
[03:21:00] jason_: i've been editing the theme where it needs to be changed
[03:21:00] dhofstra: because you've been editing
[03:22:00] gnarface: who's using nvidia cards to do all this in here?
[03:22:00] dhofstra: oh, this is you jasoncohen... hehe
[03:22:00] jason_: yes
[03:22:00] jason_: heh, sorry
[03:22:00] dhofstra: I was going to tell you to talk to jasoncohen cuz he got it working
[03:22:00] jemarcks: hi jason
[03:22:00] jason_: yeah, i just installed debian on my laptop
[03:22:00] jason_: hello
[03:23:00] jason_: and i installed mythtv on it but i can't get it to recognize the visor theme
[03:23:00] jemarcks: jason, any ideas on nuvexport?
[03:23:00] dhofstra: did you pet the monitor gently, and whisper in its speakers?
[03:24:00] jason_: heh, nope
[03:24:00] jason_: jemarcks, i don't use nuvexport
[03:25:00] jemarcks: jason_, do you burn your recording to dvd? i need to have a way to do that
[03:25:00] jason_: i have burned a few
[03:25:00] TBoomer2: dhofstra: Looks like the XBMC-MythTV plugin works with .18
[03:25:00] TBoomer2: Just have to figure out some file permissions.
[03:26:00] dhofstra: jemarcks do you use use a PVR card?
[03:26:00] dhofstra: TBoomer2 good , I bet that'll get you farther
[03:26:00] jason_: i used the script provided on mythtv.org to create the correct files and then burned them with k3b
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[03:26:00] ** dhofstra puts on his flame-retardant suit **
[03:26:00] jason_: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.19
[03:27:00] dhofstra: (i burn all my PVR recordings in window$ using nero vision express .. no transcoding, just drag.drop.burn
[03:27:00] ** dhofstra removes flame-retardant suit **
[03:27:00] jemarcks: dhofstra, i use a pvr150
[03:28:00] dhofstra: well, just saying, if you have window$ and nero vision express, that .nuv is simply an mpeg.. if you capture it at DVD resolution, it will burn just like a mpeg was dropped into the program
[03:30:00] jemarcks: jason_, thanks for the script link... ill check it out.
[03:30:00] jason_: np
[03:33:00] gnarface: hey, i've got a question about hardware
[03:34:00] gnarface: i'm curious about the delay on hardware encoding mpeg cards like the hauppage pvr250
[03:34:00] gnarface: if i wanted to use a pvr250 to play console video games off my gamecube, how much delay could i expect?
[03:35:00] gnarface: i've done this before with an analog bt848 based card and there's no noticable delay,
[03:35:00] GreyFoxx: it would be near unplayable
[03:35:00] gnarface: so the mpeg encoding process does add a significant delay compared to a direct analog-digital card?
[03:35:00] GreyFoxx: yes
[03:35:00] gnarface: damnit.
[03:35:00] gnarface: ok. good to know.
[03:36:00] GreyFoxx: not a problem with video since it's not "time sensitive"
[03:36:00] gnarface: right
[03:36:00] dhofstra: well, your fragging friends would finally have a handicap
[03:36:00] gnarface: is there any known exceptions? any mpeg encoding cards that are near-realtime in speed? or is such a thing still nonexistant?
[03:37:00] SarahEmm: why do you need to MPEG-encode your gameplay?
[03:37:00] GreyFoxx: you will see a delay with everything
[03:37:00] GreyFoxx: you COULD pull the raw YUV frames from the card and play those back with little to no delay
[03:37:00] dhofstra: I'm surprised the bttv was playable
[03:37:00] GreyFoxx: but if you grab it from the encoder there will be a much larger delay
[03:38:00] SarahEmm: bttv with xawtv or such is pretty much realtime
[03:38:00] SarahEmm: at least, there's no noticable delay for me
[03:38:00] gnarface: yea, the analog cards are totally realtime
[03:38:00] gnarface: i have some old generic pci bt848 card i stole outta a mac
[03:39:00] dhofstra: see SaraEmm ... we still need bttv gurus around.. maybe you should hold on to those cards! hehehe
[03:39:00] ** SarahEmm runs myth using a bt878 card :) **
[03:39:00] gnarface: i line-double the hell out of the signal with tvtime, and there's still no delay
[03:39:00] SarahEmm: dhofstra: hehe :) i'll hold onto them for other uses, but i'd much rather use a PVR-500 in my main backend :)
[03:39:00] dhofstra: LOL
[03:39:00] gnarface: its not that i need to mpeg encode my gameplay
[03:39:00] SarahEmm: someday soon (only been saying that since the -500 came out! hehee) i'll get around to trying to add support into ivtv :)
[03:39:00] gnarface: its more of a question of whether i should keep the analog cards around in case i want to line-double my gameplay
[03:40:00] SarahEmm: ahh.
[03:40:00] SarahEmm: yes :)
[03:40:00] gnarface: because there's a few rather nice ps2 and gamecube games that are older and don't support component out yet, and therefore look like ass on my projector
[03:40:00] dhofstra: eventually you could emulate it..in realtime.. heh
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[03:41:00] gnarface: GreyFoxx: is there an analog pre-encoded signal device on the pvr250's that one could use ?? i thought the only thing you could get from these cards was mpeg2
[03:41:00] GreyFoxx: yeah
[03:41:00] GreyFoxx: you can grab the raw yuv frames from it
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[03:42:00] gnarface: really?
[03:42:00] gnarface: oh
[03:42:00] gnarface: good to know
[03:42:00] GreyFoxx: /dev/video24 I think
[03:42:00] gnarface: cool.
[03:42:00] gnarface: thanks. i'll have to keep that in mind.
[03:42:00] gnarface: sometimes you know, there's a need to cut up zombies the old-skool way
[03:42:00] gnarface: and for that you need a line-doubled svideo signal
[03:43:00] SarahEmm: or you could get a composite->VGA adapter :)
[03:43:00] dhofstra: my wife is playing n64 as we speak; retro games are still kewl; she is addicted to tetrisphere
[03:44:00] SarahEmm: anyone here using lirc_xir on the xbox?
[03:44:00] dhofstra: alot of HDTV's introduce a line doubler on the svideo and composite ports.. mine upconverts everything to 540p
[03:45:00] gnarface: hmm. that's kinda handy
[03:45:00] gnarface: tvtime has a few different line doublers in it
[03:45:00] gnarface: the one that's wasteful of cpu actually looks pretty nice
[03:45:00] gnarface: you know, by comparison to the original
[03:46:00] gnarface: i highly recommend it
[03:46:00] gnarface: i had this crackbrained idea of trying to use multiple computers in a series to see what would happen running a single video stream through 4 or 5 line-doubling tvtime instances
[03:47:00] SarahEmm: lol
[03:47:00] gnarface: they stopped me though
[03:47:00] gnarface: made me seek therapy
[03:47:00] gnarface: i'm okay now.
[03:48:00] SarahEmm: hehee
[03:48:00] SarahEmm: yay!
[03:48:00] SarahEmm: =^.^=
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[03:54:00] gnarface: i found this website of benjaim franklin quotes once
[03:54:00] gnarface: it claims (amongst other things) that he said "Beer is the world's proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy."
[03:54:00] gnarface: can anyone else validate this claim for me?
[03:56:00] SarahEmm: rofl
[03:56:00] SarahEmm: i just spent 15 minutes debugging my lirc setup
[03:56:00] SarahEmm: the batteries were in my remote upside down :P
[03:56:00] SarahEmm: *fwaps self*
[03:56:00] gnarface: hahahha
[03:56:00] SarahEmm: it works now ;)
[03:57:00] SarahEmm: silly xbox remote has a picture of a battery that's just a rectangle, no bump showing :P
[03:57:00] SarahEmm: i figured it was showing the bottom of the battery.. it wasn't.
[03:57:00] gnarface: lol
[03:57:00] SarahEmm: now to get it workign with myth :)
[03:58:00] gnarface: never forget the P's
[03:58:00] fryfrog: anyone using teh gentoo and the new 0.18.1 ebuilds?
[03:58:00] gnarface: power, permissions
[03:58:00] SarahEmm: *nods*
[03:58:00] gnarface: there were 3 right?
[03:58:00] SarahEmm: fryfrog: yeppers.
[03:58:00] gnarface: i forget the other...
[03:58:00] SarahEmm: fryfrog: backend and a number of frontends
[03:58:00] SarahEmm: gnarface: poking things?
[03:58:00] fryfrog: does yours want to downgrade to 0.18-r2?
[03:59:00] gnarface: SarahEmm: hahah. probably.
[03:59:00] SarahEmm: fryfrog: uhh, -r2? i didn't know such a thing existed
[03:59:00] SarahEmm: i'm running 0.18-r1 which i thought was the latest
[03:59:00] fryfrog: me either
[03:59:00] fryfrog: wait, 0.18 or 0.18.1?
[03:59:00] SarahEmm: err, i thought the -r1 was .1 :)
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[04:00:00] fryfrog: i don't think so
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[04:01:00] fryfrog: i see 0.18-r1 and -r2 ebuilds, as well as 0.18.1 ebuild
[04:01:00] SarahEmm: *blinks*
[04:01:00] SarahEmm: okay, that's new then
[04:01:00] SarahEmm: i'm running 0.18-r1
[04:01:00] SarahEmm: and i'm *not touching myth* other than from a user's perspective for at LEAST another month after i get all this sorted out ;)
[04:01:00] SarahEmm: at least on the production system, the devel system i can touch.
[04:02:00] Beirdo: heheh
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[04:02:00] quink: yo
[04:02:00] Beirdo: that concert had a great quote
[04:02:00] SarahEmm: hihi Beirdo:)
[04:03:00] Beirdo: Sarah McLachlan, in case you were wondering...
[04:03:00] SarahEmm: *blinks* in toronto, tonite?
[04:03:00] quink: any of you guys see the previews of the new theme from that pay for tv listings company?
[04:03:00] Beirdo: "I always try to write happy love songs, but it seems I like the ones where I get screwed in the end... Oh, and that too... " :)
[04:03:00] Beirdo: yes
[04:03:00] Beirdo: tonight
[04:03:00] Beirdo: I just got home
[04:03:00] quink: ah
[04:04:00] SarahEmm: gah! :P
[04:04:00] quink: loooks slick
[04:04:00] ** SarahEmm needs to be more connected to what's going on in this city ;) **
[04:04:00] Beirdo: she REALLY put her foot in her mouth there
[04:04:00] Beirdo: it was funny
[04:04:00] SarahEmm: heh :)
[04:04:00] quink: have any clue as to how good that company would be?
[04:04:00] Beirdo: an excellent concert, too bad you missed it
[04:05:00] SarahEmm: *nods* too bad =-/
[04:05:00] Beirdo: my mom enjoyed it too :)
[04:05:00] SarahEmm: oh well. i'm still happy, i'm on vacation as of tonite :)
[04:06:00] Beirdo: and to think...
[04:06:00] Beirdo: one of my stupid friends thinks that Sarah's music ISN'T depressing or depressed
[04:06:00] Beirdo: don't know what planet he's on
[04:07:00] Beirdo: he actually thinks it's happy music
[04:07:00] Beirdo: someone doesn't listen to music very closely at ALL
[04:08:00] SarahEmm: heh
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[04:15:00] gnarface: man.
[04:15:00] gnarface: i got the munchies
[04:15:00] gnarface: my instincts tell me pizzahut.com
[04:16:00] gnarface: but logic tells me i'd better not.
[04:16:00] gnarface: 300 calories per slice?
[04:16:00] gnarface: nobody wants to live forever...
[04:16:00] gnarface: but at the same time...
[04:16:00] gnarface: mabye its better to at least try.
[04:17:00] Beirdo: order an extra-large and eat it all
[04:18:00] gnarface: hahaha.
[04:18:00] gnarface: i just might.
[04:18:00] gnarface: its very tempting you know
[04:18:00] gnarface: sometimes they have pepperoni trio
[04:18:00] gnarface: 3 different types of pepperoni
[04:18:00] gnarface: mmmmmmmm.
[04:19:00] gnarface: deep dish with extra cheese and please kill me sauce please.
[04:19:00] Beirdo: indigestion sauce
[04:19:00] Beirdo: but it's sooo good
[04:19:00] Beirdo: don't forget the olive oil in the pan :)
[04:19:00] gnarface: argh
[04:19:00] gnarface: i just drooled on my keyboard
[04:19:00] Beirdo: good thing I'm not hungry :)
[04:19:00] SarahEmm: hehe
[04:19:00] ** SarahEmm is getting hungry now :P **
[04:20:00] ** Beirdo wardials Pizza Slut for the channel **
[04:20:00] SarahEmm: lol
[04:21:00] gnarface: hahaha.
[04:21:00] Beirdo: an ex-girlfriend got REALLY pissed at me for calling it that :)
[04:21:00] Beirdo: she worked there
[04:21:00] gnarface: lol. sensitive about it much?
[04:22:00] Beirdo: she just wasn't terribly impressed
[04:22:00] gnarface: now that'd be a marketing plan
[04:22:00] gnarface: but i digress
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[04:23:00] gnarface: can anyone give me any warnings about nforce2 boards, or are they safe?
[04:23:00] Beirdo: mine works fine
[04:23:00] gnarface: alright.
[04:24:00] Beirdo: if you are using 2.4 kernel, be sure to grab the forcedeth driver BEFORE upgrading :)
[04:25:00] Beirdo: without that, you can't use the onboard NIC with 2.4 :)
[04:25:00] tcube: {/wave hand} Question about ota HD 1080i content. I cant get a smooth playback for livetv with my machine ( Intel dual core 3.8G, 1GB DDR2 memory, ATI x700 video) I dont know what went wrong :(
[04:25:00] SarahEmm: 'force deth' doesn't sound good
[04:25:00] Beirdo: hehe
[04:25:00] Beirdo: forced eth as in
[04:26:00] Beirdo: tcube: many people have issues with ATI and HD playback
[04:26:00] Beirdo: I haven't tried it much on my 9600 Pro yet
[04:26:00] fryfrog: tcube: holey cow, dual core or HT?
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[04:26:00] tcube: /nod
[04:26:00] fryfrog: i mean, is it really dual core? or is it just HT?
[04:27:00] tcube: I run DVI to a LCD TV at 1280x720 resolution
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[04:27:00] tcube: it is HT, fryfrog
[04:27:00] fryfrog: ah
[04:27:00] fryfrog: big diff between dual core and HT :)
[04:27:00] tcube: /nod. my bad
[04:28:00] fryfrog: using ati driver?
[04:28:00] tcube: yes
[04:28:00] fryfrog: no chance you have an nvidia card laying around to try?
[04:28:00] tcube: I think 480p works fine, but not 1080i
[04:28:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol if it was dual core 3.8 u could give it to me..i'm always accepting ware donations
[04:29:00] tcube: I have a lowend nvidia pcix card
[04:29:00] fryfrog: tcube: i'd try that, it'll at least rule the X700 as the cause / not cause
[04:29:00] tcube: I'll try that tomorrow.
[04:30:00] ^|Genocide|^: i'm tryin to figure out what i broke on apache
[04:30:00] SarahEmm: lol
[04:30:00] ^|Genocide|^: :(
[04:30:00] SarahEmm: 'lowend pciexpress'
[04:30:00] SarahEmm: i still think of 'lowend' as ISA :P
[04:30:00] SarahEmm: btw tcube, PCI-X is not the same as PCI-Express. they're different muchly :)
[04:30:00] fryfrog: pci-x or pci-e?
[04:30:00] fryfrog: bgah
[04:30:00] fryfrog: yeah, thats what i was...
[04:30:00] tcube: pci-express
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[04:32:00] SarahEmm: nice!
[04:32:00] tcube: fryfrog do you think nvidia 5300is enough ?
[04:32:00] SarahEmm: remote's working!! Yay! :o)
[04:32:00] fryfrog: i'd think so
[04:32:00] SarahEmm: nicely, too.
[04:32:00] fryfrog: at least, for a test
[04:33:00] gnarface: grats SarahEmm
[04:33:00] SarahEmm: now to just make lircd start at boot, and i think this frontend is (finally) done
[04:33:00] SarahEmm: :)
[04:33:00] SarahEmm: tankye
[04:33:00] opello: wow, mythweather shows the satellite picture now, and it's animated ... neato!
[04:34:00] ^|Genocide|^: i wonder if it's illegal to record news programs
[04:34:00] ^|Genocide|^: and then put them up on the web for streaming
[04:35:00] ^|Genocide|^: like..streaming news casts
[04:35:00] Beirdo: hehe
[04:35:00] ^|Genocide|^: wouldn't that be like so cool if it wasn't
[04:35:00] ^|Genocide|^: and like..a whole bunch of ppl all over the us put up local newscasts
[04:35:00] ^|Genocide|^: for other ppl to stream
[04:35:00] ^|Genocide|^: and find out what's happening in other states..in the local news
[04:36:00] ** rpete can barely stand watching his own local news **
[04:36:00] ^|Genocide|^: i'll cut in some naked chicks every now and again
[04:36:00] ^|Genocide|^: every 5 minutes, cut to naked chick dancing
[04:36:00] tcube: fryfrog, I'll give 5300 a try now. and thank you so much for the help ^^
[04:37:00] ^|Genocide|^: maybe that'll hold ur interest rpet
[04:37:00] ^|Genocide|^: repete* even
[04:37:00] ^|Genocide|^: bleh
[04:37:00] ^|Genocide|^: rpete
[04:37:00] rpete: I get full time nudity on naked news
[04:38:00] ^|Genocide|^: oh
[04:38:00] rpete: but your idea was a sound one
[04:39:00] ^|Genocide|^: ya, it was based on the fundamental princple of sex sells
[04:39:00] ^|Genocide|^: we hold these truths to be self-evident
[04:39:00] ^|Genocide|^: that in order to establish a more entertaining news cast
[04:40:00] Beirdo: and yes it would be illegal to rebroadcast
[04:40:00] ^|Genocide|^: we must have nudity
[04:40:00] ^|Genocide|^: bleh
[04:40:00] ^|Genocide|^: that's tarded
[04:40:00] SarahEmm: hmm.
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[04:40:00] SarahEmm: remote works, sound is now broken. lol
[04:41:00] ^|Genocide|^: hahah!! u're fired!
[04:41:00] SarahEmm: i can live without sound, but myth doesn't like doing so
[04:41:00] ** SarahEmm inspects the sound **
[04:41:00] ^|Genocide|^: what would be the point in watching tv w/o sound?
[04:42:00] gnarface: put your own soundtrack to it
[04:42:00] gnarface: change the tone
[04:42:00] ** SarahEmm points to the text that appears on the screen at the bottom **
[04:42:00] SarahEmm: see? :)
[04:42:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol
[04:42:00] ^|Genocide|^: i hate captions
[04:42:00] gnarface: you don't need to hear all the babble anyway. its just filler.
[04:42:00] fryfrog: if one were deaf, one would be perfectly happy with tv w/o sound :)
[04:42:00] SarahEmm: ^|Genocide|^: without them tv is much less nifty. :)
[04:43:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol
[04:43:00] ^|Genocide|^: if one were blind and deaf
[04:43:00] ^|Genocide|^: they wouldn't watch tv
[04:43:00] fryfrog: sure, they'd ahve to feel it though :)
[04:44:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol i don't think they have a caption > brail converter
[04:44:00] SarahEmm: no, but you could hack one together easilly enough
[04:44:00] fryfrog: "mmmm, that guys face feels real smoth"
[04:44:00] SarahEmm: given a high enough budget for the braille terminal.
[04:44:00] SarahEmm: i'm sure you could hack myth to output captions on the serial port
[04:44:00] SarahEmm: then hook a braille output device up to said port
[04:45:00] ^|Genocide|^: hmm
[04:45:00] SarahEmm: hmmm?
[04:45:00] ^|Genocide|^: it occurred to me if u was blind and deaf
[04:45:00] ^|Genocide|^: it'd be hard to learn anything
[04:47:00] ^|Genocide|^: to use braille someone has to teach it to u
[04:48:00] ^|Genocide|^: if u can't see or hear it'd be mighty difficult to figure out what braille means
[04:49:00] ^|Genocide|^: some words like tree might be easier than others to figure out
[04:49:00] ^|Genocide|^: abstract words like 'the' and stuff would be decidedly more difficult
[04:49:00] ^|Genocide|^: you can't touch 'the'
[04:50:00] ** Beirdo listens to the ONE song he didn't hear at the concert and definitely missed **
[04:50:00] SarahEmm: Beirdo: which one, if i may ask?
[04:50:00] SarahEmm: ^|Genocide|^: this is truel
[04:50:00] SarahEmm: true, rather.
[04:51:00] Beirdo: SarahEmm: Sarah McLachlan – I Love You
[04:51:00] Beirdo: my all time fave of hers
[04:51:00] SarahEmm: :)
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[04:51:00] ^|Genocide|^: i'm just glad i wasn't born blind, deaf or both
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[04:51:00] ^|Genocide|^: we have a lotr fan
[04:51:00] ^|Genocide|^: :D
[04:51:00] ^|Genocide|^: i'm more of a fan of gollum tho ;)
[04:51:00] Beirdo: tis the story of my life almost
[04:51:00] smeagel: yes — and fyi it was an intentional mispelling ;)
[04:51:00] SarahEmm: Beirdo: err.... what is?
[04:52:00] Beirdo: you read the lyrics to the song?
[04:52:00] SarahEmm: oh.
[04:52:00] smeagel: I got a pull-my-hair-out lirc problem
[04:52:00] SarahEmm: okay :)
[04:52:00] Beirdo: hehe
[04:52:00] SarahEmm: you said that after genocide said what zie did, and i got confused :P
[04:52:00] smeagel: new gentoo build, ati remote wonder I, model # supported, I have the corrected lirc.conf that corresponds to my model #
[04:52:00] Beirdo: hah
[04:52:00] Beirdo: sorry
[04:52:00] smeagel: I run lircd -n -d /dev/lirc
[04:52:00] smeagel: then run irw
[04:53:00] smeagel: and it can't find the /dev/lirc (even though it's there)
[04:53:00] ^|Genocide|^: sarah...lemme guess...u're blonde right
[04:53:00] SarahEmm: define 'can't find'
[04:53:00] smeagel: lsmod shows both appropriate modules loaded
[04:53:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol
[04:53:00] SarahEmm: ^|Genocide|^: err, what?
[04:53:00] smeagel: here i'll give you the exact text...
[04:53:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol nothin n/m
[04:53:00] SarahEmm: ^|Genocide|^: yes, but what's that got to do with aynthing? ;)
[04:53:00] SarahEmm: hey, it was an obvious connection :P
[04:53:00] ^|Genocide|^: ;)
[04:53:00] smeagel: lircd 0.7.1: accepted new client on /dev/lircd
[04:53:00] smeagel: lircd 0.7.1: could not open /dev/lirc
[04:53:00] smeagel: lircd 0.7.1: default_init(): No such device
[04:53:00] SarahEmm: okay..
[04:53:00] SarahEmm: your driver isn't loaded then
[04:53:00] SarahEmm: the one for whatever hardware
[04:54:00] smeagel: ~: lsmod
[04:54:00] smeagel: Module Size Used by
[04:54:00] smeagel: lirc_atiusb 17120 0
[04:54:00] smeagel: lirc_dev 13636 1 lirc_atiusb
[04:54:00] SarahEmm: okay... well, it's not seeing it loaded properly anyway
[04:54:00] SarahEmm: i dunno why.. no lirc expert here =-/
[04:54:00] Beirdo: well, time for me to take my cough medicine and get to bed
[04:54:00] SarahEmm: nini Beirdo!
[04:54:00] Beirdo: night
[04:54:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol nite
[04:54:00] Beirdo: damn, I love that song
[04:54:00] Beirdo: :)
[04:54:00] ^|Genocide|^: cough medicine = bottle of jack
[04:54:00] Beirdo: heh
[04:54:00] Beirdo: no, shot of vodka actually
[04:54:00] ^|Genocide|^: oh
[04:54:00] Beirdo: heh
[04:55:00] ^|Genocide|^: what proof?
[04:55:00] Beirdo: straight outta the freezer
[04:55:00] Beirdo: 80 proof
[04:55:00] ^|Genocide|^: heh
[04:55:00] Beirdo: I said vodka, silly
[04:55:00] ^|Genocide|^: alcohol doesn't freeze ;)
[04:55:00] Beirdo: yes it does
[04:55:00] smeagel: anybody else have any lirc idea's?
[04:55:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol well vodka comes in many proofs
[04:55:00] Beirdo: just at a much lower temperature than our freezers can do
[04:56:00] Beirdo: vodka comes in 80 proof, that is all.
[04:56:00] Beirdo: at least here
[04:56:00] ^|Genocide|^: oh
[04:56:00] ^|Genocide|^: no clues smeagel
[04:56:00] ^|Genocide|^: i've seen 60,80,100
[04:56:00] Beirdo: I could use the bacardi 151 though
[04:56:00] Beirdo: hehe
[04:56:00] ^|Genocide|^: tvarschki or however u spell it
[04:57:00] Beirdo: but I think the Skyy will suffice tonight
[04:57:00] ^|Genocide|^: too stout for my tastes
[04:57:00] Beirdo: night all
[04:57:00] ^|Genocide|^: nite
[04:57:00] ^|Genocide|^: smeagel did u have any compile errors?
[04:57:00] smeagel: nope compiled fine
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[04:57:00] ^|Genocide|^: have you tried sweet talking it?
[04:57:00] smeagel: I emerged .70 and it didn't work (similar runtime error), then unmerged it
[04:58:00] smeagel: and built the newest release .71 version
[04:58:00] fryfrog: you arn'et using myth then
[04:58:00] smeagel: trying to get this working first
[04:58:00] fryfrog: myth versions includ 0.16, 0.17, 0.18 and 0.18.1
[04:59:00] smeagel: hmmm
[04:59:00] fryfrog: i'm not sure, but could you have the version wrong or be using something else like freevo?
[04:59:00] SarahEmm: err
[04:59:00] SarahEmm: i think smeagel meant the lirc version, not the myth version
[04:59:00] fryfrog: oh, DUH
[05:00:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol smartypants
[05:00:00] SarahEmm: :)
[05:00:00] smeagel: freevo has been emerged, but i'm switching to myth due to its horrible handing of zsnes/xmame
[05:00:00] smeagel: yeah I meant the lirc version
[05:00:00] SarahEmm: myth is better anyway ;)
[05:00:00] SarahEmm: err
[05:00:00] SarahEmm: now i ahve audio
[05:00:00] SarahEmm: but it's ... robot-sounding. hrm.
[05:00:00] fryfrog: lirc + ivtv?
[05:00:00] ^|Genocide|^: wth is emerged
[05:01:00] smeagel: gentoo ;)
[05:01:00] fryfrog: gentoo's package system
[05:01:00] SarahEmm: ^|Genocide|^: 'emerge' is the gentoo way to install stuff
[05:01:00] fryfrog: well, tool
[05:01:00] smeagel: it's a source distribution system
[05:01:00] ^|Genocide|^: oh
[05:01:00] fryfrog: like "rpm" or "apt-get" :)
[05:01:00] SarahEmm: but better ;)
[05:01:00] ^|Genocide|^: if i used gentoo i'd prolly know that
[05:01:00] fryfrog: only, better than all of you! :)
[05:01:00] smeagel: emerge...is bliss
[05:02:00] ^|Genocide|^: you know what was cool
[05:02:00] ^|Genocide|^: the ports directory on fbsd
[05:02:00] ^|Genocide|^: now that was cool
[05:02:00] SarahEmm: portage on gentoo is much like that.
[05:02:00] smeagel: it's like a ripoff of that
[05:02:00] smeagel: except much better organized
[05:02:00] fryfrog: portage is based on ports idea ;)
[05:02:00] fryfrog: if you liked ports, you'd prolly LOVE portage (gentoo)
[05:02:00] ^|Genocide|^: ;) cool
[05:02:00] smeagel: I actually switched from fbsd to gentoo for SMP
[05:02:00] fryfrog: i have a few freebsd friends that converted to gentoo cause of portage :)
[05:02:00] SarahEmm: gah, it switched to OSS in the kernel upgrade.
[05:02:00] ** SarahEmm re-emerges alsa **
[05:02:00] cortezdapimp: Is there a way to use an ssh session as a remote for myth?
[05:03:00] ^|Genocide|^: i'm still runnin redhat 9
[05:03:00] smeagel: hah
[05:03:00] smeagel: you need to escape that
[05:03:00] ^|Genocide|^: i'm gonna have to upgrade to fc3
[05:03:00] ^|Genocide|^: ya well i had a decent uptime
[05:03:00] ^|Genocide|^: then i had to start flippin breakers to replace some ceiling fans
[05:03:00] ^|Genocide|^: flipped the wrong one..
[05:03:00] SarahEmm: heh
[05:03:00] smeagel: ouch
[05:04:00] SarahEmm: our circuit breaker box has a yellow and black striped label beside one breaker labelled SERVERS
[05:04:00] SarahEmm: :)
[05:04:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol
[05:04:00] ^|Genocide|^: that's sick
[05:04:00] SarahEmm: i put taht on after i flipped it by mistake ;)
[05:04:00] ^|Genocide|^: lol ya
[05:04:00] fryfrog: anyone watch that new L&O series "trial by jury"?
[05:04:00] ^|Genocide|^: i dropped server 2k3 and rh 9 on accident
[05:05:00] ^|Genocide|^: suppose that should have taught me to label the breakers...but, i'm too lazy to label 'em
[05:05:00] ^|Genocide|^: nope
[05:05:00] ^|Genocide|^: i don't watch l&o
[05:06:00] fryfrog: anyone wanna buy a pvr250 (mce if you want)
[05:06:00] ^|Genocide|^: that's something that 70 yr olds watch
[05:06:00] smeagel: how much?
[05:06:00] fryfrog: how bout $80?
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[05:07:00] rpete: that's what mine cost new
[05:07:00] smeagel: i take it it works well with mythtv/ivtv?
[05:07:00] ^|Genocide|^: lemme guess CanadaBoy..u're from canada
[05:07:00] fryfrog: yup, i record with 4 of em :)
[05:07:00] SarahEmm: mce if you want
[05:07:00] SarahEmm: ?
[05:07:00] fryfrog: but 4 is way to many
[05:07:00] fryfrog: i have 3x pvr 250 retails and 1x pvr 250 mce
[05:07:00] SarahEmm: ahh
[05:08:00] fryfrog: rpete: pvr 250 or pvr 150?
[05:08:00] rpete: pvr250 mce
[05:08:00] fryfrog: ah
[05:08:00] fryfrog: i see em on ebay for like 75–100
[05:09:00] fryfrog: though i didn't bother to see if it was the mce or retail
[05:09:00] rpete: I thought pvr150 could be had for $60
[05:09:00] fryfrog: i even have 1 remote + cable still in the plastic :)
[05:09:00] fryfrog: i wouldn't be surprised, they are way cheaper than the 250s were
[05:09:00] fryfrog: do they work well with myth now-a-days?
[05:09:00] rpete: that seems like a steal for hardware encoder
[05:10:00] smeagel: fryfrog — so remote+pvr250 for 80?
[05:10:00] fryfrog: yeah, nice price
[05:10:00] fryfrog: sure, assuming you don't want the MCE (doesn't have remote wire port)
[05:10:00] rpete: but mce has better inputs! :-)
[05:10:00] fryfrog: maybe like $3 for S&H?
[05:11:00] smeagel: yeah that's fair for S&H
[05:11:00] fryfrog: i don't have the original retail boxes though, i could PROBABLY find the cds
[05:11:00] smeagel: what's the difference in the inputs for MCE?
[05:11:00] fryfrog: rca audio
[05:11:00] fryfrog: instead of mini-plug input
[05:11:00] fryfrog: nothing special
[05:11:00] fryfrog: easier to hook up to vcr / crappy dvd / crappy cable
[05:11:00] smeagel: I already have this ati wonder remote, but I'm about to scrap it, driving me crazy
[05:11:00] smeagel: are those happaug remotes fairly easy to set up?
[05:12:00] fryfrog: hummm
[05:12:00] fryfrog: well, when i first setup myth i had it working
[05:12:00] smeagel: well...lirc ain't easy
[05:12:00] fryfrog: it stopped at some point, but i have it hooked to kb mouse so i didn't care enough to get it workign again
[05:12:00] smeagel: yeah
[05:12:00] fryfrog: it stopped working because i switched systems and rebuilt my myth system too
[05:12:00] smeagel: sure I'll take it
[05:12:00] fryfrog: it wasn't like it randomly stopped working, i probably just didn't set it up
[05:13:00] fryfrog: my email is fryfrog@gmail.com , send me a mail
[05:13:00] smeagel: paypal?
[05:13:00] smeagel: k
[05:13:00] fryfrog: i should have a chance to pull it out friday ish, i work 12 hour shifts and thats my first day off
[05:13:00] smeagel: that's fine
[05:13:00] smeagel: I wasn't going to buy one for another couple weeks anyhow
[05:13:00] fryfrog: paypal'd be okay :)
[05:14:00] smeagel: k i just dropped you an email about it
[05:15:00] fryfrog: has anyone used a digital cable box with firewire out to myth?
[05:15:00] smeagel: i'll take one with a remote, I have audio splitters so that's not a big deal
[05:15:00] fryfrog: k, sounds good :)
[05:15:00] fryfrog: got your email
[05:16:00] fryfrog: i'll need your shipping address of course :)
[05:16:00] smeagel: oh yeah
[05:16:00] smeagel: i'll email that...
[05:16:00] fryfrog: or does that come from paypal?
[05:16:00] smeagel: i think it comes from paypal
[05:16:00] fryfrog: i don't use paypal for selling very often :)
[05:16:00] smeagel: me either
[05:16:00] smeagel: it should though
[05:16:00] smeagel: because it gives the address and whether it's been confirmed or not
[05:16:00] fryfrog: we'll find out :)
[05:17:00] smeagel: where you shipping from?
[05:17:00] fryfrog: atlanta, where are you at?
[05:17:00] smeagel: indiana
[05:17:00] smeagel: should be a couple of days...
[05:17:00] fryfrog: insured postal service okay with you?
[05:17:00] smeagel: yep
[05:17:00] fryfrog: k :)
[05:19:00] ^|Genocide|^: mwhahaha
[05:19:00] fryfrog: you care what tuner type it has?
[05:19:00] fryfrog: i've got 1 or 2 with type 49+ that need a kernel from like 2.6.10 or greater (or modifications to tuner.h/tuner.c)
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[05:21:00] maddhaggis: I need some help with my PVR-500 card
[05:21:00] smeagel: i have the newest kernel
[05:21:00] fryfrog: sure, send it to me and i'd love to help!
[05:21:00] fryfrog: smeagel: good, cause i didn't really wanna figure out which of the 3 had which tuner :)
[05:23:00] maddhaggis: I am using the latest testing ivtv drivers, Myth sees both cards but I can only tune 1 of the 2 and even then I cannot change channels.
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[05:24:00] fryfrog: i've never had a pvr 500 (wish for it!) so i can't help ya :(
[05:24:00] smeagel: what are the advantages of the 500?
[05:24:00] maddhaggis: 2 tuners in 1 card
[05:24:00] smeagel: ah
[05:24:00] smeagel: nice
[05:24:00] maddhaggis: 2 PVR150's
[05:25:00] fryfrog: also only uses one RF input, afaik
[05:25:00] maddhaggis: yup
[05:25:00] fryfrog: (internal splitter)
[05:25:00] fryfrog: i'd give up 2 pvr 250's for one 500 if i knew it worked in myth :)
[05:25:00] smeagel: I hear that mythtv/ivtv dumps into a weird mpeg2 derived format, but not actually mpeg2
[05:25:00] smeagel: is that so?
[05:25:00] fryfrog: nope, its just mpeg2
[05:25:00] fryfrog: but named ".nuv"
[05:26:00] maddhaggis: shows up in mythtvsetup as card0 tuners 0 and 1 and card1 tuners 0 and 1
[05:26:00] smeagel: can you rename it and burn it onto a dvd?
[05:26:00] fryfrog: if you use a software card, it Is NOT mpeg2 (cand called .nuv)
[05:26:00] fryfrog: you can rename it to ".mpg" and its an mpeg
[05:26:00] maddhaggis: I assume the other tuner is radio
[05:26:00] fryfrog: i've never burned to dvd, but i assume it can
[05:26:00] fryfrog: other tuner?
[05:26:00] smeagel: ah I had heard .nuv != .mpg due to some weird header differences
[05:26:00] fryfrog: tuner0 would be
[05:27:00] fryfrog: tuner0 would be the first "card" and tuner1 would be the second
[05:27:00] GreyFoxx: smeagel: No. In the mythtv case with a pvrxxx card it is just a .mpg file with a .nuv filename
[05:27:00] smeagel: interesting
[05:27:00] maddhaggis: no it shows both tuners as inputs for both cards
[05:27:00] maddhaggis: along with 4 composite and 2 svideo each card
[05:27:00] fryfrog: what do you mean?
[05:28:00] fryfrog: ahhh
[05:28:00] fryfrog: heck if i know :/
[05:28:00] maddhaggis: thanks
[05:28:00] ** maddhaggis frowns **
[05:28:00] SarahEmm: smeagel: what you heard is true if you're doing software encoding
[05:28:00] SarahEmm: but not with the PVR-xxx cards
[05:28:00] smeagel: ahh
[05:28:00] SarahEmm: and evidently i'm the lats person on earth still using software encoding ;)
[05:28:00] smeagel: hah
[05:29:00] smeagel: with my AIW I just junked in (gulp) windows XP I used software encoding for single-pass xvid
[05:29:00] smeagel: it actually worked fairly nice when it didn't junk up the audio-sync
[05:29:00] maddhaggis: nope, I use a old ass bttv card as a framegrabber
[05:29:00] gnarface: SarahEmm: your analog mastery gives you power. don't turn your back on it entirely :-p
[05:30:00] GreyFoxx: I still have a couple bt cards around, just not in anything used with myth
[05:30:00] SarahEmm: gnarface: s'not like i have a choice anyway :)
[05:30:00] SarahEmm: maddhaggis: in myth, tho?
[05:30:00] maddhaggis: yes
[05:30:00] SarahEmm: yay!
[05:30:00] SarahEmm: i'm not the only one! ;)
[05:31:00] bobc: SarahEmm: The ivtv list is little more than work on getting vbi working lately. so you shouldn't have an excuse much longer.
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[05:31:00] SarahEmm: bobc: cool.
[05:31:00] defaultro: hi madhaggis
[05:31:00] SarahEmm: i'd much rather not have an excuse! the PVR-500 would let me have two tuners finally :)
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[05:32:00] maddhaggis: anyone know when 0.19 is to be released?
[05:32:00] bobc: at least I think that vbi is cc?? seems that way. I don't follow that too closely, although it is interesting
[05:32:00] maddhaggis: defaultro: hello old friend
[05:32:00] defaultro: hey, .18.1 just got released the other day :)
[05:32:00] GreyFoxx: maddhaggis: there is no plan for it yet
[05:32:00] SarahEmm: vbi is the vertical blanking interval, which does contain the captioning information yes :)
[05:32:00] SarahEmm: it'd be very cool if the PVR cards supported it :)
[05:32:00] defaultro: anyone applied the closed captioning patch?
[05:32:00] SarahEmm: defaultro: to ivtv you mean?
[05:33:00] defaultro: dunno if it's for ivtv
[05:33:00] SarahEmm: err..
[05:33:00] SarahEmm: url?
[05:33:00] defaultro: but saw it in thread
[05:33:00] defaultro: gossamer
[05:33:00] SarahEmm: which list?
[05:33:00] defaultro: mythtv'
[05:33:00] defaultro: gossamer
[05:33:00] SarahEmm: okay
[05:33:00] maddhaggis: I managed to get 0.18.1 just by doing a apt-get dist-upgrade...funny how that works
[05:33:00] SarahEmm: what does the patch do?
[05:33:00] defaultro: adds closed caption support
[05:33:00] SarahEmm: err
[05:33:00] defaultro: very early stage though
[05:33:00] SarahEmm: myth itself has cc support :)
[05:33:00] SarahEmm: works great
[05:33:00] SarahEmm: i think that must be to add it for PVR-xxx cards?
[05:34:00] defaultro: i want to know if it will work with my dvb driver
[05:34:00] SarahEmm: defaultro: i'm betting that patch is just for ivtv, because i know cc works fine with software encoders like bttv (i use it)
[05:34:00] SarahEmm: but it hasn't worked with ivtv
[05:34:00] maddhaggis: according to Mr Wilson's site there are quite a few changes
[05:34:00] defaultro: ok
[05:36:00] maddhaggis: defaultro: you will be pleased to know I finally got my HD3000 working
[05:36:00] defaultro: badabing
[05:36:00] defaultro: how did you get it to work? Did you take down notes?
[05:37:00] maddhaggis: I had to downgrade from x86_64 to i386....Just like you suggested.
[05:37:00] defaultro: :)
[05:37:00] maddhaggis: I was then able to install the dvb drivers
[05:37:00] smeagel: but you're losing a lot of the benefits of your 64bit chip :-/
[05:37:00] pookSter: maddhaggis, why did you downgrade?
[05:37:00] defaultro: cool, you're the man
[05:37:00] maddhaggis: I now have an $800 boat anchor though
[05:38:00] maddhaggis: stupid athlon64
[05:38:00] defaultro: smeagel, my cpu is 64bit. Even if I'm losing the benefits of it, I'm not loosing anything from mythtv :D
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[05:38:00] smeagel: I run dual opterons on my desktop
[05:38:00] pookSter: is it because you couldn't get apt-get to work?
[05:38:00] smeagel: but an Athlon XP for the media-computer
[05:39:00] smeagel: for 64bit I'd _highly_ recommend gentoo
[05:39:00] gnarface: fuck apt get
[05:39:00] maddhaggis: My buddy and I are competing to build a better mediaPC, he is using Windows Media Center
[05:39:00] gnarface: portege RULES
[05:39:00] gnarface: hahaha
[05:39:00] defaultro: i gave up on 64bit, i can't compile things, everything fails
[05:39:00] smeagel: but if you use gentoo
[05:39:00] smeagel: and emerge stuff
[05:39:00] smeagel: it will automatically apply patches to get it to compile 64bit
[05:39:00] pookSter: ah, looks like I am in for some fun then
[05:40:00] maddhaggis: it crashed 4 times at his house.
[05:40:00] smeagel: and if the program is beyond repair for 64bit in its current state, they mask it, so at least you know
[05:40:00] defaultro: i usually like tar.gz, compile from scratch. Don't like to get app that is already built
[05:40:00] gnarface: pookSter: have you used gentoo before?
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[05:40:00] pookSter: no
[05:40:00] smeagel: gentoo emerge builds from source fyi
[05:40:00] defaultro: what if I want to compile it myself
[05:40:00] smeagel: for?
[05:40:00] gnarface: yea, defaultro i used to be the same way
[05:40:00] defaultro: does it have the 64 bit libraries that i can use
[05:40:00] gnarface: but gentoo has changed my life :-D
[05:41:00] smeagel: well you build them all yourself
[05:41:00] warren: Hi, I upgraded my mythbackend from 0.16 to 0.18 today. I'm running into this problem where my remote mythfrontend (also 0.18) sees live TV for a second, then it stops and times out. I don't know if this is an issue with mythtv or ivtv. Anyone heard anything like this recently?
[05:41:00] smeagel: you compile your entire system completely from source
[05:41:00] defaultro: ok
[05:41:00] gnarface: i used to use redhat. not the rpms though. i just used it for the installer and did everything else manually, more or less my own way
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[05:41:00] gnarface: warren: post your specs
[05:42:00] warren: gnarface, which specs specifically?
[05:42:00] maddhaggis: defaultro: have you heard of anyone having success with the PVR500?
[05:42:00] gnarface: hardware, drivers?
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[05:42:00] defaultro: haven't heard anyone
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[05:42:00] smeagel: I used to use Slackware and compile everything myself, but for 64bit gentoo truly is a beautiful thing
[05:42:00] warren: PVR-250, kernel-2.6.11–1.27_FC3, tried both latest versions of 0.2 and 0.3 ivtv drivers.
[05:42:00] maddhaggis: shucks
[05:42:00] defaultro: i'm interested in that gentoo thing
[05:42:00] smeagel: it has improved greatly in the recent 2005.0 release as well
[05:43:00] riksta: gentoo thing?
[05:43:00] smeagel: the nice thing is, you edit a make.conf file
[05:43:00] warren: gnarface, I last had this working with mythtv-0.16 with an older version of ivtv-0.3.
[05:43:00] defaultro: are you saying that if I download the 64bit gentoo, it does have all the libraries for 32 and 64 bit?
[05:43:00] smeagel: and you tell it exactly what type of stuff you use (kde, gnome, vim, apache, etc) and it will build packages with only the dependencies you use
[05:43:00] riksta: smeagel: that isn't in make.conf
[05:43:00] smeagel: and you also define a USE variable so you can tell it to build things with sse, sse2, mmx etc
[05:43:00] gnarface: defaultro: just do this http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1
[05:44:00] gnarface: it won't fail you. it will teach you.
[05:44:00] smeagel: how is it not in make.conf?
[05:44:00] riksta: packages are in a world file
[05:44:00] defaultro: so like mythtv.tar.bz2, i will just have to do the similar I did when compiling right
[05:44:00] smeagel: USE="" in make.conf says dependencies and CFLAGS for gcc optimizations
[05:44:00] riksta: yeah
[05:44:00] defaultro: ./configure && make && make install
[05:44:00] riksta: defaultro: no gentoo does that for you, with portage, the package manager
[05:45:00] defaultro: wait
[05:45:00] riksta: if you do it manually then yes
[05:45:00] defaultro: this is why i want to do it manually
[05:45:00] defaultro: i do specify parameters
[05:45:00] smeagel: you can
[05:45:00] defaultro: like for lirc, i built it with transmitter support
[05:45:00] riksta: you must read the configure help to decide what you need to enable
[05:45:00] defaultro: those tings
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[05:45:00] smeagel: you can pass those things to emerge
[05:45:00] defaultro: coz in standard, we just do configure --help
[05:45:00] defaultro: ok
[05:45:00] gnarface: the system keeps a tree of static config files that cascade and add up
[05:46:00] SarahEmm: emerge -pv will show you what flags and such :)
[05:46:00] smeagel: and if you really want ot build it yourself, you of course can
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[05:46:00] defaultro: ok
[05:46:00] defaultro: im still concerned about the 64 bit
[05:46:00] dcfogg: I have trouble with sound I am unable to set capture on Line with an audigy and emu10k1 so I get no sound or sound with an echo.........can anyone help????
[05:46:00] defaultro: what's your guarantee? :)
[05:46:00] gnarface: hang on...
[05:46:00] defaultro: i was unsuccessful in x86_64 in FC3
[05:46:00] gnarface: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1
[05:46:00] smeagel: it does quite well
[05:46:00] gnarface: there
[05:46:00] riksta: defaultro: afaik 64 bit compiles fine now, i know a few people are using it, from the lists
[05:46:00] gnarface: damnit
[05:46:00] smeagel: there's still a lot of stuff it has to mask
[05:46:00] gnarface: amd right?
[05:46:00] defaultro: cool
[05:46:00] smeagel: simply because a lot of people didn't write their code easily patchable to 64bit
[05:47:00] defaultro: bookmarking
[05:47:00] gnarface: and there's a mythtv howto for fc3 that's supposed to work, right?
[05:47:00] ** j-rod runs myth on x86_64 no problem **
[05:47:00] defaultro: j-rod, cool
[05:47:00] j-rod: gnarface: wilsonet.com/mythtv/
[05:47:00] defaultro: you're using apt-get right
[05:47:00] j-rod: heh, hell no
[05:47:00] warren: I run mythtv frontend on x86_64, backend on i386
[05:47:00] defaultro: oh ok
[05:47:00] j-rod: apt-get doesn't work on multiarch systems
[05:47:00] defaultro: what did i miss then?
[05:47:00] dcfogg: I run myth on amd64 too but I have a sound problem
[05:47:00] j-rod: you have to use yum or smart instead
[05:48:00] maddhaggis: But does J-rod use a HD3000?
[05:48:00] gnarface: looks right...
[05:48:00] defaultro: what i was doing back in January is compiling those sources from scratch using the 64bit os
[05:48:00] defaultro: but kept failing on "make"
[05:48:00] smeagel: ALSA doesn't work on my amd64 system..no idea why...I use OSS and it works fine for what i need
[05:48:00] defaultro: so j-rod, you use yum to install mythtv?
[05:48:00] warren: ALSA works great for me
[05:49:00] j-rod: maddhaggis, how 'bout an HD3k, an HD2k, an Air2PC and a DCT-6200 cable box?
[05:49:00] warren: it depends on your sound card and driver
[05:49:00] smeagel: yeah
[05:49:00] dcfogg: ALSA works on mine but not with mythtv
[05:49:00] smeagel: i have a semi-popular nvidia board
[05:49:00] j-rod: defaultro, yeah, I use yum
[05:49:00] defaultro: oh ok
[05:49:00] riksta: defaultro: if you are not careful, you are going to get yourself confused
[05:49:00] smeagel: with an onboard soundcard that should be supported
[05:49:00] smeagel: so i have no idea why alsa won't work
[05:49:00] smeagel: i don't even bother messing with it...since oss works
[05:49:00] defaultro: i thought, you compiled the code from scratch in your 64bit amd
[05:49:00] warren: what distro?
[05:49:00] defaultro: riksta, careful in what?
[05:49:00] riksta: smeagel: did you follow the digital sound howto on the myth wiki, and when you say it doesn't work...what exactly happens
[05:49:00] j-rod: maddhaggis, what I mean to say is I've successfully used every HD card that works w/Myth right now. :)
[05:50:00] j-rod: hi there, Mr. Togami
[05:50:00] warren: hi?
[05:50:00] smeagel: no ALSA devices are found on boot
[05:50:00] riksta: j-rod: is the Air2PC best?
[05:50:00] maddhaggis: j-rod how did you manage to get the HD3k to work I could never get the DVB drivers to make right?
[05:50:00] warren: smeagel, what distro?
[05:50:00] smeagel: i'm not using this box for mythtv
[05:50:00] smeagel: gentoo
[05:50:00] smeagel: 2005.0
[05:50:00] riksta: smeagel: then you didn't set it up right, did you compile the modules, and rc-update add alsasound default ?
[05:50:00] defaultro: riksta, i don't know if it's the best. BUT I LOVE MY AIR2PC :)
[05:50:00] SarahEmm: alright, i think i'll quit for tonite and fix osund tomorrow
[05:50:00] SarahEmm: nite nite all :)
[05:50:00] smeagel: MSI NVidia Master-FAR2 dual opteron
[05:50:00] j-rod: riksta, not my Air2PC, since it no workie w/QAM
[05:51:00] defaultro: oh, for OTA btw
[05:51:00] j-rod: but I do like that card the best, outside of that
[05:51:00] warren: I'm kicking myself for spending so much money on PVR-250. It really sucks, and the driver is difficult to get working.
[05:51:00] riksta: we have no HD here in the UK :(
[05:51:00] smeagel: i didn't rc-update alsasound
[05:51:00] j-rod: maddhaggis, I just compiled and installed 'em.... :)
[05:51:00] smeagel: but that won't matter if it doesn't find a device on boot
[05:51:00] riksta: smeagel: it does, if its build modules
[05:51:00] smeagel: and I have the necessary sound devices built into the kernel
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[05:51:00] defaultro: riksta, I was 3 hours old with mythtv, I got air2pc working without very minimal issues
[05:51:00] smeagel: not modules, built in
[05:51:00] maddhaggis: Grrr I tried it for 2 months...
[05:52:00] riksta: smeagel: what soundcard
[05:52:00] j-rod: warren, I find the PVR-250 to be just about the easiest card to get working...
[05:52:00] defaultro: s/without/with/ :)
[05:52:00] warren: each time I need to get ivtv working, it takes me like 50 reboots and different tuner combinations. as soon as I get working I DON'T REBOOT FOR MONTHS because it wont work again.
[05:52:00] smeagel: it's on the card...1 sec
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[05:52:00] gnarface: isn't everyone else doing this? http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV#Getting_Started
[05:52:00] riksta: smeagel: nforce2 ?
[05:52:00] defaultro: one of this days, I'll try gentoo
[05:52:00] smeagel: one sec..
[05:52:00] ** j-rod can get ivtv working the first time every time with a PVR-250, 350, 150MCE, 500MCE... **
[05:53:00] riksta: smeagel: lspci
[05:53:00] warren: then you're lucky
[05:53:00] warren: or my card just sucks
[05:53:00] smeagel: i've tried most distro's defaultro, and I like gentoo by far the best
[05:53:00] defaultro: we'll see :)
[05:53:00] j-rod: recent tveeprom stuff should be allowing for auto-detection of everything
[05:53:00] smeagel: hah lspci doesn't work
[05:53:00] riksta: smeagel: you haven't got the package
[05:53:00] riksta: emerge it
[05:53:00] defaultro: I like FreeBSD/OpenBSD though for unix variant
[05:53:00] gnarface: warren: which hardware are you using?
[05:53:00] smeagel: what package is it?
[05:53:00] warren: tveeprom detects tuner 50, but only tuner 39 works for me.
[05:53:00] smeagel: i tried lspci
[05:53:00] riksta: pciutils
[05:53:00] defaultro: but very little support in myth
[05:53:00] smeagel: k
[05:54:00] j-rod: tuner 50 does seem to be somewhat sucky
[05:54:00] warren: gnarface, Athlon 2200+ on some VIA motherboard, PVR-250, FC3
[05:54:00] j-rod: my 250 and 350 are type 2
[05:54:00] smeagel: I run freebsd on my laptop
[05:54:00] smeagel: it's stable as a rock
[05:54:00] defaultro: cool
[05:54:00] dcfogg: can anyone give me an idea on how to set up the ALSA configuration with an audigy and emu10k1
[05:54:00] riksta: i was gonna try x86 solaris soon
[05:54:00] defaultro: my gateway has been running for 4 years now
[05:54:00] riksta: it's free now
[05:54:00] smeagel: but its support is...mediocre at best
[05:54:00] Mrgoose: defaultro: i have a tandy
[05:54:00] j-rod: my 150 is 47, my 500 is 57 (and I wrote the tveeprom support for 'em) :)
[05:54:00] Mrgoose: tahts been running since 91
[05:54:00] gnarface: warren: which firmware, and which via? not that fucking kt133 is it?
[05:54:00] riksta: dcfogg: digital sound howto on myth wiki
[05:54:00] defaultro: w/c runs apache, ipfilter, postfix+qmail combo
[05:54:00] warren: gnarface, no much newer than vt133.
[05:54:00] defaultro: MrGoose, tandy?
[05:54:00] maddhaggis: Is it possible to control myth with HEX code through a 232 port?
[05:55:00] warren: gnarface, the recommended firmware on ivtv's site, the exact md5sums
[05:55:00] Mrgoose: tandy computer
[05:55:00] maddhaggis: IR is lame
[05:55:00] riksta: postfix AND qmail ?!?
[05:55:00] defaultro: yup riksta
[05:55:00] smeagel: i tried solaris 10 for this dual opteron systems
[05:55:00] smeagel: kernel paniced on the boot CD
[05:55:00] riksta: defaultro: wtf?
[05:55:00] smeagel: took that as a warning sign ;)
[05:55:00] gnarface: warren: try an experiment for me. try the firmware off the cd.
[05:55:00] riksta: smeagel: no that just means you whimped out
[05:55:00] warren: gnarface, I don't have the CD anymore.
[05:55:00] gnarface: warren: make sure you do a cold reboot.
[05:55:00] smeagel: 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[05:55:00] defaultro: riksta, let me find the architecture i did
[05:55:00] warren: gnarface, yeah, I always do cold.
[05:56:00] riksta: smeagel: so make the module
[05:56:00] smeagel: rikstra — well the problem is...it kernel paniced every time..before there was any user input
[05:56:00] defaultro: risksta, http://restricted.dyndns.org/sketch.txt
[05:56:00] riksta: defaultro: i just wonder why on earth you would want postfix ...postfix should suffice on it's own
[05:56:00] riksta: defaultro: i do ALL that in postfix
[05:56:00] warren: 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[05:56:00] defaultro: oh, i had qmail installed back in 2001
[05:57:00] smeagel: riksta: I _have_ built it into the kernel
[05:57:00] smeagel: still doesn't pick it up
[05:57:00] j-rod: this firmware works nice for me: 6e2012d919fa48811c27e25e54a0a5dc
[05:57:00] smeagel: hence my original complaint ;)
[05:57:00] riksta: defaultro: check out the high5.net howto sometime...it's sweet
[05:57:00] defaultro: then i love the setup of my freebsd qmail toaster
[05:57:00] smeagel: I select the exact same driver for OSS and it picks it up
[05:57:00] riksta: smeagel: what does dmesg mention
[05:57:00] defaultro: however, i love Postfix regex
[05:57:00] defaultro: the rbls
[05:57:00] warren: smeagel, I have the same sound as you.
[05:57:00] j-rod: I won't even get started on what I do with postfix
[05:57:00] warren: smeagel, using ALSA snd_via82xx it works fine.
[05:57:00] defaultro: and other antispams
[05:57:00] defaultro: so i kept qmail
[05:57:00] defaultro: cause setup was already complicated and running very well
[05:57:00] gnarface: hmm.
[05:57:00] smeagel: i suppose this boards online sound could be fried
[05:58:00] smeagel: the online gigabit was DOA
[05:58:00] smeagel: *onboard sound
[05:58:00] riksta: defaultro: you can do it all in either software, i think the need for two is quite rediculous tbh :)
[05:58:00] defaultro: and I can't delete it coz i have 70 mailing list running on it
[05:58:00] gnarface: everyone should try gentoo.
[05:58:00] riksta: how can it be fried if it works in OSS smeagel
[05:58:00] smeagel: hah
[05:58:00] smeagel: i'm dumb
[05:58:00] smeagel: yeah
[05:58:00] defaultro: riksta, it works fine and didnt give me any problem
[05:58:00] defaultro: that's why it stayed that way
[05:58:00] smeagel: i don't know...what I do know is that I have it built into the kernel for both OSS and ALSA
[05:58:00] smeagel: and ALSA doesn't recognize it
[05:58:00] riksta: defaultro: what ever works for ya :) just means more packages to maintain tho
[05:58:00] warren: j-rod, last time I tried that version it didn't work at all for me
[05:58:00] warren: j-rod, i'll try it again tonight...
[05:58:00] defaultro: qmail is powered by ezmlm
[05:58:00] ** maddhaggis rips PVR500 out, stomps and then urinates on it then kicks it across the room **
[05:59:00] defaultro: that's another reason
[05:59:00] maddhaggis: stupid
[05:59:00] smeagel: i suppose i could try it as a module
[05:59:00] defaultro: riksta, i hear you
[05:59:00] riksta: smeagel: i wouldn't be so sure, i bet you just forgot to unmute the mixer, like 99% of people
[05:59:00] smeagel: I've heard that sometimes module's work where build-ins fail
[05:59:00] defaultro: your approach is correct
[05:59:00] warren: many drivers don't work properly when built in
[05:59:00] smeagel: riksta for like the 20th time hah
[05:59:00] smeagel: it says
[05:59:00] fryfrog: maddhaggis: what ivtv version did you use? and what kernel?
[05:59:00] j-rod: maddhaggis, I also have two PVR-500 cards working. :)
[05:59:00] smeagel: ALSA: no devices found
[05:59:00] smeagel: upon boot
[05:59:00] defaultro: but good thing with this setup, postfix gets hacked, my mail is still intact
[05:59:00] smeagel: then if i play anything using alsa
[05:59:00] smeagel: it doesn't play silently
[05:59:00] warren: smeagel, that's because OSS took control of the device before it tried to init alsa
[05:59:00] smeagel: it throws an error
[05:59:00] j-rod: qmail can bite me
[05:59:00] defaultro: :)
[05:59:00] riksta: ok, i missed that typing to others....maybe you should try all modules then and use the alsasound init script :)
[05:59:00] warren: smeagel, try building it completely without OSS
[06:00:00] riksta: worth a try
[06:00:00] smeagel: k
[06:00:00] j-rod: recovers really poorly (or rather, not at all) with big mail queues after a crash
[06:00:00] defaultro: Postfix is really cool
[06:00:00] riksta: yes you MUST remove the oss
[06:00:00] warren: smeagel, and use kernel modules instead, it just works better
[06:00:00] smeagel: so what's the advantage of ALSA anyhow? out of curiosity
[06:00:00] cortezdapimp: does anyone have a good script that monitors the size of log files?
[06:00:00] riksta: otherwise it wont work
[06:00:00] j-rod: postfix can handle an amazing load
[06:00:00] defaultro: oh yeah
[06:00:00] riksta: j-rod: i agree 100%
[06:00:00] fryfrog: OSS is being phased out, ALSA phased in
[06:00:00] riksta: j-rod: exim is pretty sweet too
[06:00:00] fryfrog: thats the main advantage, though i think alsa supports more and newer hardware?
[06:00:00] ** j-rod maintains servers at work responsible for sending about 15mm emails a day **
[06:00:00] defaultro: and i love the integration of antivirus
[06:00:00] riksta: fryfrog: and DMIX¬!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:00:00] j-rod: exim isn't very high performance
[06:01:00] defaultro: :(
[06:01:00] fryfrog: dmix?
[06:01:00] defaultro: I started with sendmail back in 1995, :(
[06:01:00] riksta: j-rod: it is, we use it on a cluster that handles a few million a day
[06:01:00] smeagel: kernel is building now
[06:01:00] j-rod: very flexible, but not high performance
[06:01:00] j-rod: hm...
[06:01:00] smeagel: but i'm ripping a dvd so it'll be 45 min before i can reboot
[06:01:00] fryfrog: i'd also suggest comping alsa and drivers as modules
[06:01:00] smeagel: yeah i did that
[06:01:00] fryfrog: then you'll never have to reboot for that kind of stuff
[06:01:00] fryfrog: then you shouldn't need to reboot?
[06:01:00] j-rod: my postfix cluster will stomp on an exim cluster. :)
[06:01:00] defaultro: :)
[06:02:00] fryfrog: unless it WAS built into kernel (alnong with oss)?
[06:02:00] smeagel: i'm a FBSD guy
[06:02:00] smeagel: I fear modules
[06:02:00] smeagel: give me a mammoth kernel ;)
[06:02:00] j-rod: unless exim has improved a fair amount
[06:02:00] smeagel: or i learned on fbsd at least...
[06:02:00] smeagel: i'm not too concerned about uptime...I get a SMP kernel panic every other week
[06:02:00] riksta: j-rod: do you use hashes for the directories
[06:02:00] maddhaggis: I am using the latest testing ivtv drivers as suggested in jarod's guide. and kernel 2.6.11–1.14_FC3
[06:02:00] gnarface: j-rod: i once heard that qmail was the way, the truth, and the light
[06:03:00] defaultro: qmail is fine but postfix is way better to configure
[06:03:00] riksta: qmail is the sux
[06:03:00] riksta: qmail's code is a disgrace
[06:03:00] j-rod: riksta, yeah
[06:03:00] defaultro: why do you hate qmail
[06:03:00] j-rod: qmail has its disciples
[06:03:00] defaultro: you dont like djb right :)
[06:03:00] riksta: have you ever looked at the code
[06:03:00] defaultro: a lot of people don't like him
[06:03:00] j-rod: I hate qmail because it performs like shit in the case I mentioned above
[06:03:00] j-rod: we used to run it
[06:03:00] j-rod: replaced every single qmail instance with postfix
[06:04:00] defaultro: :)
[06:04:00] j-rod: MUCH less problemas
[06:04:00] riksta: it has a very odd, non intuitive setup too
[06:04:00] defaultro: true
[06:04:00] j-rod: as with all djb software
[06:04:00] defaultro: postfix is like configuring apache's httpd.conf :)
[06:04:00] j-rod: (though I do still use daemontools, ucspi and djbdns)
[06:04:00] riksta: i use none of the above ;)
[06:04:00] defaultro: one thing though i like in his apps is the daemontools
[06:05:00] defaultro: oh ok :)
[06:05:00] defaultro: im using mythbackend with daemontools
[06:05:00] riksta: i lost my sysadmin job, the isp i worked for, sold out to another bigger provider
[06:05:00] riksta: the bastards
[06:05:00] defaultro: but can't get it working with mythfrontebnd
[06:05:00] defaultro: i lost my cisco and checkpoint certs :(
[06:05:00] defaultro: what i just do now is sql :(
[06:06:00] riksta: how boring
[06:06:00] defaultro: totally differnt from what i do before
[06:06:00] defaultro: i was in the verge of taking cissp
[06:06:00] riksta: so you're a DBA?
[06:06:00] j-rod: my RHCE cert is expired, probably going to do the RHCA next
[06:06:00] ** warren tries the firmware j-rod suggested... **
[06:06:00] defaultro: no, not dba
[06:06:00] defaultro: just a person who knows sql
[06:06:00] riksta: so what do you do....like a real life example...?
[06:06:00] defaultro: oh expired bummer
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[06:06:00] ** j-rod needs some of the problematic cards in his own hands to see if maybe there's something he can do to help them work better... **
[06:06:00] riksta: design databases?
[06:07:00] warren: j-rod, you are a developer?
[06:07:00] defaultro: create reports, creates sql task
[06:07:00] j-rod: kinda
[06:07:00] riksta: boring!
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[06:07:00] defaultro: but sometimes, i let people do the packet trace and i decipher it for them
[06:07:00] defaultro: app troubleshooting
[06:07:00] defaultro: which is fun
[06:07:00] j-rod: I added code to both ivtv and v4l for some of the tuners on ivtv cards, as well as get them recognized by tveeprom
[06:07:00] ** maddhaggis hands j-rod an ATI HDwonder card **
[06:07:00] j-rod: not in the guts of the driver, just at the fringes
[06:08:00] defaultro: i want to learn what j-rod does too :)
[06:08:00] riksta: j-rod: i've yet to do anything like that, i woulnd't know where to start i think
[06:08:00] ** j-rod wants to know what the hell he does too... **
[06:08:00] j-rod: :)
[06:08:00] riksta: hehe
[06:08:00] defaultro: lol
[06:08:00] warren: j-rod, same problem with that firmware version
[06:08:00] j-rod: bummer
[06:08:00] ** defaultro drinks his redwine **
[06:09:00] warren: j-rod, works for a second, then stops. I don't know if this problem is ivtv or mythtv...
[06:09:00] ** warren tries the old kernel again... **
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[06:09:00] LedHed: hello
[06:09:00] warren: old kernel was running for months without rebooting...
[06:09:00] defaultro: riksta, look at my homepage, http://restricted.dyndns.org, I used to do security stuff too :) but not anymore :(
[06:09:00] j-rod: warren, can you grab a dump from dmesg?
[06:09:00] j-rod: curious to look at the stuff between the IVTV start and stop markers...
[06:10:00] warren: j-rod, ok
[06:10:00] riksta: defaultro: ill have a look
[06:10:00] warren: I have 50 minutes to fix this to record House
[06:10:00] j-rod: I'm wondering if maybe you got a kernel that had the bum defs for the type 50 tuner
[06:10:00] defaultro: :)
[06:10:00] warren: season finale!
[06:10:00] j-rod: or are you using the one from ivtv?
[06:11:00] warren: j-rod, using the one from ivtv
[06:11:00] rpete: warren, I'll send it to you, I recorded it four hours ago
[06:11:00] LedHed: Is there a way to map a remote button to open the Watch Recordings menu
[06:11:00] defaultro: oh, just an fyi, I dropped by BestBuy today. They're selling DirectTV HD DVR for $700, 4 tuners
[06:11:00] warren: rpete, nah, I have a time warner DVR upstreams recording it too
[06:11:00] warren: ivtv has been so unreliable for me that I didn't cancel my cable company DVR
[06:11:00] fryfrog: FOUR tuners???
[06:11:00] defaultro: yup
[06:11:00] fryfrog: wow
[06:11:00] j-rod: feh, I have 10 tuners... :)
[06:12:00] defaultro: lol
[06:12:00] fryfrog: and directv!
[06:12:00] j-rod: (though only 4 in production use)
[06:12:00] fryfrog: and hd
[06:12:00] defaultro: directv
[06:12:00] defaultro: yup
[06:12:00] defaultro: hd, yup
[06:12:00] j-rod: (and only three are HD)
[06:12:00] fryfrog: how much disk space?
[06:12:00] defaultro: 250gb
[06:12:00] defaultro: not enough
[06:12:00] warren: 1TB =)
[06:12:00] fryfrog: hehe
[06:12:00] j-rod: yeah, 250 sucks for HD
[06:13:00] defaultro: i'm only at 200gb now and wanting more :(
[06:13:00] ** j-rod pets his 1.2TB of storage... **
[06:13:00] defaultro: i would like to upgrade my speakers first before HD :)
[06:13:00] j-rod: already got that taken care of too
[06:13:00] defaultro: cool
[06:13:00] ** j-rod pets his yamaha amp and speakers **
[06:14:00] j-rod: and while I'm at it...
[06:14:00] ** j-rod pets his HDTV **
[06:14:00] defaultro: I have yamaha rxv1400 receiver, svs subwoofer and paradigm speakers
[06:14:00] j-rod: I love my toys
[06:14:00] defaultro: :)
[06:14:00] warren: j-rod, http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/ivtv-init.txt
[06:14:00] ** maddhaggis crushes j-rod's 1.2TB with his 5.5PB monster.........just kiding **
[06:14:00] j-rod: all digital audio connections too!
[06:14:00] defaultro: you will love my subwoofer j-rod
[06:14:00] maddhaggis: yamaha sucks
[06:14:00] defaultro: huh
[06:14:00] defaultro: you've got Rotel?
[06:15:00] defaultro: or Denon?
[06:15:00] defaultro: Integra?
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[06:15:00] maddhaggis: I have Denon and integra
[06:15:00] defaultro: I don't like integra
[06:15:00] defaultro: it's too bright
[06:15:00] defaultro: I like warm sound
[06:15:00] maddhaggis: Denon in my theater, integra in my bedroom
[06:15:00] defaultro: cool
[06:15:00] ** rpete has superiour bose system **
[06:16:00] defaultro: did you audition yamaha
[06:16:00] maddhaggis: RBH speakers too
[06:16:00] warren: j-rod, I told Chris Kennedy that he was violating the FHS spec for location of loadable firmwares. I got some hostile responses on ivtv list. =)
[06:16:00] maddhaggis: Bose sucks
[06:16:00] defaultro: rpete, im sorry but don't get offended. Look at forums regarding bose
[06:16:00] maddhaggis: rip off
[06:16:00] rpete: well that joke went over well
[06:16:00] defaultro: :)
[06:16:00] maddhaggis: he he
[06:16:00] defaultro: madhaggis, i also love my radioshack spl meter
[06:16:00] rpete: actually a budget nad integrated amp and b&w speakers, just stereo
[06:16:00] j-rod: warren, I hate that it isn't in /lib/firmware too...
[06:16:00] maddhaggis: me too
[06:16:00] defaultro: that one is a must have
[06:16:00] maddhaggis: yup
[06:16:00] defaultro: i also have avia disc
[06:17:00] maddhaggis: yup
[06:17:00] defaultro: that's when i started loving HT
[06:17:00] warren: j-rod, people on list got all emotional when I brought it up
[06:17:00] defaultro: madhaggis, have you heard Rockets speakers?
[06:17:00] maddhaggis: nope
[06:17:00] defaultro: that's what am planning to buy
[06:17:00] defaultro: ok
[06:17:00] maddhaggis: I like silliloqui...or somthing
[06:17:00] j-rod: I've been away from the ivtv list for a spell, but I do recall some stink about it a while back...
[06:17:00] defaultro: a lot of people are telling in forums that they're better than paradigms
[06:18:00] defaultro: even in avsforum.com
[06:18:00] j-rod: I like my yamaha stuff.
[06:18:00] defaultro: yamaha is good
[06:18:00] defaultro: j-rod, i'll show you my sub
[06:18:00] defaultro: here, http://restricted.dyndns.org/svsfull2.jpg
[06:18:00] LedHed: anyone here use MythWeb to alter their Key Binds?
[06:18:00] warren: j-rod, this could very well be a mythtv problem and not ivtv. Any idea how to do a raw capture of bits so I can test it that way?
[06:19:00] j-rod: warren, crap, everything looks perfect in your log dump... :(
[06:19:00] warren: (without mythtv)
[06:19:00] j-rod: cat /dev/video0 > testfile.mpg
[06:19:00] defaultro: j-rod, that sub is very tight, very low at 18hz and shakes my basement
[06:19:00] warren: wow, ok
[06:19:00] j-rod: that's beefy!
[06:19:00] defaultro: yup
[06:19:00] defaultro: the sound is awesome
[06:19:00] defaultro: it was featured in techtv
[06:19:00] defaultro: i love it
[06:20:00] Bob-Laptop: I live in an apartment....the building would fall down
[06:20:00] defaultro: it destroyed my 2 windows in first floor :(
[06:20:00] Bob-Laptop: Not to mention the neighbors would shoot me
[06:20:00] j-rod: warren, you can also simply "mplayer /dev/video0"
[06:20:00] LedHed: I have a question about MythWeb, any takers?
[06:20:00] defaultro: i like the movement of the air in the basement everytime a lfe is played :)
[06:21:00] warren: j-rod, my backend has no monitor/keyboard/mouse/sound
[06:21:00] j-rod: heh
[06:21:00] defaultro: glad i saw mythweb
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[06:21:00] j-rod: cat & scp, I guess then :)
[06:21:00] defaultro: we can play the nuv using dsmyth right?
[06:21:00] warren: j-rod, crap! ivtv is fine.
[06:21:00] ** warren kicks mythtv **
[06:21:00] j-rod: :\
[06:21:00] j-rod: heh
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[06:21:00] j-rod: what myth version?
[06:22:00] warren: 0.18 on both sides
[06:22:00] warren: 0.18 i386 backend, 0.18 x86_64 frontend
[06:22:00] j-rod: huh
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[06:22:00] warren: playback of previously recorded stuff works
[06:23:00] j-rod: I've heard of a few folks that had good success with dumping their cards and reconfiguring them
[06:23:00] j-rod: mythtv-setup, select yes to 'clear all cards' or whatever it is
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[06:24:00] Bob-Laptop: warren: what FC version are you using for mythtv?
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[06:25:00] ** j-rod wonders if 1.27_FC3 kernel is release or in testing... **
[06:25:00] warren: j-rod, dumping?
[06:25:00] warren: Bob-Laptop, FC3 backend, FC4 frontend
[06:25:00] warren: 27 might be testing
[06:25:00] warren: oh, dumping
[06:25:00] warren: i'll try that
[06:25:00] j-rod: if you run mythtv-setup from the back...
[06:25:00] j-rod: nm
[06:26:00] j-rod: :)
[06:26:00] defaultro: j-rod, anything you notice in FC4 that you like as compared to FC3?
[06:26:00] j-rod: everything. :)
[06:26:00] defaultro: oh ok :)
[06:26:00] fryfrog: bah, netflix max queue size is 500 movies!
[06:26:00] warren: mythtv doesn't build in FC4 =)
[06:26:00] defaultro: doesn't build?
[06:26:00] j-rod: heh, mostly, its just a natural progression
[06:26:00] warren: I couldn't figure out the compile error so I just use gcc32
[06:27:00] j-rod: hm, I just set up an FC4 box last night, was planning to do some builds tonight...
[06:27:00] warren: j-rod, for Default Tuner do I use "Tuner 0"?
[06:27:00] j-rod: yeah
[06:28:00] j-rod: my other FC4 box is an upgraded FC3 box, still has gcc34-built Myth on it
[06:28:00] defaultro: cool
[06:28:00] j-rod: clearlooks for gnome looks damned slick too
[06:28:00] warren: gcc4 forces lots of upstream projects to fix their source
[06:28:00] maddhaggis: yummy
[06:29:00] pookSter: Night everyone
[06:29:00] j-rod: yeah, no kiddin', lots of stuff isn't so gcc4 clean...
[06:29:00] warren: j-rod, no luck, same problem
[06:29:00] j-rod: pooh
[06:29:00] warren: backend log says 2005-05–17 19:30:07.883 Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None
[06:29:00] warren: 2005-05–17 19:30:07.888 Changing from None to None
[06:30:00] warren: oh wait, that's frontend
[06:30:00] j-rod: did you bounce mythbackend after that change?
[06:30:00] warren: 2005-05–17 19:29:48.346 prebuffering pause
[06:30:00] warren: 2005-05–17 19:30:07.687 ReadStringList timeout (quick).
[06:30:00] warren: Remote encoder not responding.
[06:30:00] warren: oh no I didn't
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[06:31:00] defaultro: 1 more day, and the force will be with us
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[06:31:00] sidd: hey!
[06:31:00] maddhaggis: what is the site for ivtv?
[06:31:00] warren: j-rod, dude, you are a freaking genius.
[06:31:00] j-rod: :)
[06:31:00] warren: j-rod, now I get to fight the tuner again!
[06:32:00] warren: tunes to channel 4, and wont let me change it...
[06:32:00] j-rod: hm...
[06:32:00] j-rod: after you reset the card setup, did you also reassign a channel lineup to it?
[06:32:00] warren: good question
[06:33:00] sidd: can someone tell me where to find a working driver for kernel 2.4.8–20? the one i have does not compile – ivtv-0.2.0-rc3
[06:33:00] warren: why such an old kernel?
[06:34:00] j-rod: 2.4.8???
[06:34:00] sidd: oops, 2.4.20–8.
[06:34:00] j-rod: RH9, by chance?
[06:34:00] ** warren quints **
[06:35:00] j-rod: you may need to look at ivtv 0.1.9 from ivtv.sourceforge.net
[06:35:00] j-rod: dunno if any of the newer stuff works on anything that old now
[06:35:00] sidd: and when i tried in 2.6.9–1, i have no tuner sound except when i am using composite 3 with wm8775 mixer=1
[06:35:00] sidd: yes rh9
[06:35:00] warren: why rh9?
[06:35:00] sidd: the 2.6 kernel is on another machine with fc3
[06:35:00] defaultro: j-rod, what should i verify. Recorded programs doesn't get commflagged anymore
[06:36:00] j-rod: you probably had a tuner module that didn't have support for your card
[06:36:00] sidd: want it for production – rh9 to fc3
[06:36:00] j-rod: defaultro, not a clue...
[06:36:00] defaultro: ok
[06:36:00] sidd: is rh9 unsuitable for ivtv?
[06:37:00] j-rod: only thing that comes to mind is to look at your commflag settings on the backend to make sure they didn't get turned off
[06:37:00] warren: ack... now I'm stuck on Gilmore Girls and I can't change it, help!!
[06:37:00] j-rod: RH9 is... a bit long in the tooth for multimedia
[06:37:00] j-rod: warren, RUN!
[06:37:00] sidd: :)
[06:37:00] j-rod: RH9 doesn't have a lot of the newer v4l stuff that ivtv needs
[06:37:00] sidd: j-rod, i have it on fc3 also, but here i do not have sound with tuner
[06:38:00] j-rod: you probably just need an updated tuner module
[06:38:00] ^|Genocide|^: bleh
[06:38:00] sidd: j-rod, will fc2 work? or fc1?
[06:38:00] ^|Genocide|^: i think i finally got all my apache permissions worked out
[06:38:00] warren: sidd, what's wrong with FC3?
[06:38:00] j-rod: 1 2 and 3 all work for me
[06:38:00] sidd: j-rod, for the tuner i have 0.3.3k
[06:38:00] warren: wait don't answer that question
[06:38:00] j-rod: did you compile ivtv yourself?
[06:38:00] sidd: warren, i have av (composite3) and svideo working perfectly, but no audio on tuner.
[06:38:00] sidd: it is detected as type 38
[06:39:00] warren: I am NOT being sucked back into Gilmore Girls again.
[06:39:00] sidd: j-rod, yes.
[06:39:00] j-rod: grab a log dump, post it up somewhere, lemme take a look at it
[06:40:00] j-rod: pastebin.ca works quite well for log dumps
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[06:41:00] smeagel: ok...
[06:41:00] smeagel: so still no ALSA
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[06:41:00] smeagel: ALSA device list:
[06:41:00] smeagel: No soundcards found.
[06:42:00] sidd: j-rod, can i just dump it to #dump?
[06:42:00] smeagel: I didn't rc-update alsa...i forget exactly what I was supposed to do
[06:42:00] warren: j-rod, when I watch pre-recorded shows or live TV now, it occasionally has pauses for prebuffering. but I have 100mbit between these two computers. any ideas?
[06:42:00] ** warren tests cold power on... **
[06:42:00] warren: smeagel, can you upload your kernel config file to some URL for us to read?
[06:42:00] j-rod: sidd, pastebin.ca would be preferred...
[06:43:00] j-rod: warren, not sure on the prebuffering
[06:43:00] j-rod: I get that once in a while with HD stuff when I'm also recording two or three HD programs at once, which I attribute to how much I'm beating on the HDs
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[06:44:00] warren: crap.... after cold boot, it went back to getting stuck again
[06:44:00] ** warren kicks mythtv **
[06:44:00] warren: j-rod, this is why I don't like rebooting after I finally get it working again =)
[06:45:00] j-rod: heh :)
[06:45:00] j-rod: my mbe doesn't reboot too often, but at least it always works on restart
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[06:48:00] warren: maybe I just got really unlucky when I bought this card
[06:48:00] sidd: j-rod, done
[06:49:00] sidd: http://pastebin.ca/12034
[06:51:00] sidd: or http://pastebin.ca/12035 – with a name to the post
[06:52:00] Bogus8: Is there a button that "goes live" if you have rewound your live program a bit?
[06:52:00] warren: j-rod, oh man, this makes no sense, but all I did was cat /dev/video0, then subsequently mythtv began working
[06:52:00] warren: j-rod, maybe it is an ivtv problem after all. It just is in some bad state until I use cat on it.
[06:52:00] j-rod: sidd, not sure what's up there... output does look good, ought to be working
[06:53:00] maddhaggis: Goodnight folks
[06:53:00] j-rod: warren, what user are you running the backend as?
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[06:53:00] sidd: j-rod, the best part is that it works- video from composite3 and audio from tuner – wierd.
[06:53:00] j-rod: heh
[06:53:00] warren: j-rod, shouldn't matter,
[06:53:00] warren: j-rod, it wouldn't get the one second and die if it didn't have access to it
[06:54:00] j-rod: oh duh
[06:55:00] sidd: j-rod, are there any more mythtv channels where i can ask someone?
[06:56:00] j-rod: nope
[06:56:00] j-rod: there's an ivtv channel tho
[06:56:00] sidd: thnx.
[06:57:00] j-rod: one other thing you might try is a newer firmware
[06:57:00] j-rod: for gits and shiggles, since I got nothin' else atm
[06:57:00] sidd: j-rod, but that will need a windows access?
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[06:57:00] sidd: j-rod, can you guide me in that?
[06:57:00] j-rod: and maybe a newer ivtv build, there were some issues in a few builds in there
[06:57:00] j-rod: don't need windows access
[06:57:00] j-rod: I can try
[06:57:00] sidd: j-rod, i have the latest, from ivtv.sf.net
[06:58:00] sidd: so where do i get the latest firmware?
[06:58:00] j-rod: ivtv.sf.net is poorly maintained, the latest stuff is at ivtv.info
[06:58:00] sidd: ok, will check there.
[06:58:00] j-rod: the ivtv wiki points to firmware locations
[06:59:00] j-rod: they come from either hauppauge's servers or ftp.shspvr.com
[06:59:00] sidd: ivtv.info points back to ivtv.sourceforge.net
[07:00:00] j-rod: hm...
[07:00:00] j-rod: shit, I *am* out of the loop w/ivtv...
[07:00:00] j-rod: but 0.3.4something is the newest
[07:01:00] j-rod: oh, not ivtv.info, ivtv.tv
[07:01:00] j-rod: ivtv.tv/releases/
[07:01:00] sidd: ok, wait.
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[07:04:00] dcfogg: ok I followed the wiki and I still have sound problems
[07:06:00] dcfogg: I can not get sound at all with the Line input muted
[07:06:00] warren: j-rod, http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=FirmwareVersions
[07:07:00] fryfrog: does anyone have comcast hd digital cable ?
[07:07:00] dcfogg: I do
[07:07:00] Bogus8: Is there a command that "goes live" if you have rewound your live program a bit vs fastforwarding to the present... which doesn't seem like it really gets there anyway?
[07:08:00] dcfogg: oh it isnt HD
[07:08:00] fryfrog: ah
[07:08:00] fryfrog: they are installing it wed, and i wondered what kind of box i was likely to get
[07:08:00] ** j-rod has Comcast HD cable **
[07:08:00] fryfrog: the only hd inputs left to use on my tv are HDMI
[07:08:00] fryfrog: and i hope it has DVI/HDMI output
[07:08:00] fryfrog: also, i wonder if it'll have firewire output which might make me use that with myth :)
[07:09:00] j-rod: warren, what about the ivtv firmwares?
[07:09:00] warren: someone was looking for URL?
[07:09:00] sidd: j-rod, where do i find the firmware? the site suggested by warren just has 250 and 350 versions. mine is 150
[07:09:00] j-rod: same firmware
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[07:10:00] j-rod: oh, yeah, thank you warren (too many conversations at once....)
[07:10:00] sidd: ok.
[07:10:00] dcfogg: does anyone know how to configure an audigy with the emu10k1 drivers ????
[07:11:00] dcfogg: I can't get it to work right
[07:11:00] sidd: brb. machine needs a reboot
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[07:11:00] j-rod: dcfogg, what exactly doesn't work?
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[07:13:00] dcfogg: well if I mute the Line input like the docs say I get no sound but the capture source can't be enabled
[07:13:00] dcfogg: if I unmute the Line input I get sound that doesn't shut down when I close mythtv
[07:14:00] j-rod: ah, that little problem...
[07:14:00] j-rod: one sec
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[07:15:00] MiX-MaN: anyone have any knowledge in battery backup systems?
[07:15:00] j-rod: dammit, I can't wait to replace this ancient iBook...
[07:15:00] dcfogg: I copied the .asooundrc file from the fedora howto because he uses an audigy
[07:16:00] j-rod: dcfogg, see if the info about goofy mixer settings here works: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=emu10k1
[07:16:00] j-rod: and fyi, "he" of the fedora howto is me
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[07:18:00] dcfogg: ok I copied the new one that goes off the digital sound howto
[07:19:00] gnarface: hey, sorry for the gentoo question, but, i should be using: mythtv-0.18-r2 right?
[07:20:00] fryfrog: i think there is a 0.18.1 ebuild
[07:21:00] fryfrog: but there aren't updates for the plugins
[07:21:00] fryfrog: i copied the mythmusic and mythvideo to 0.18.1.ebuild and put em in /usr/local/portage and they seem to work fine
[07:21:00] fryfrog: (and compiled em)
[07:21:00] sidd: warren: can you please give me the url for the latest firmware for 150 again?
[07:22:00] fryfrog: but if you have any 0.18 plugins and install 0.18.1 it will prolly do a silly upgrade/downgrade loop :)
[07:22:00] Bogus8: hey j-rod any clue why i'm getting this error when trying to apt-get upgrade " myththemes >= 0.18 is needed by (installed) mythtv-suite-0.18–52.at.i386"
[07:23:00] j-rod: repo might not be fully updated, Axel has a bit of a scalability problem atm
[07:24:00] Bogus8: ok no prob... just wondering if there was something I was missing
[07:24:00] j-rod: prolly not
[07:25:00] fryfrog: hey, what is this theme that is created by a paid listings company people are talking about?
[07:25:00] fryfrog: anyone have a link handy?
[07:25:00] j-rod: lxmsuite.com
[07:26:00] fryfrog: thanks
[07:26:00] Bob-Laptop: sidd: http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=FirmwareVersions this one?
[07:26:00] j-rod: http://lxmsuite.com/themes.htm
[07:26:00] j-rod: and they're already starting on some more
[07:27:00] sidd: Bob-Laptop, yes, thnx
[07:28:00] j-rod: I've got an LxM account and a pre-release version of that Syth theme
[07:28:00] j-rod: pretty damned cool stuff
[07:28:00] j-rod: haven't got around to playing with mythmovietimes yet
[07:29:00] fryfrog: so are these people for real?
[07:29:00] j-rod: definitely
[07:30:00] fryfrog: sounds like a nice thing for myth, anyone gotten the $30 for 6mo thing yet?
[07:30:00] j-rod: yes
[07:30:00] gnarface: ?
[07:30:00] mchou: $30 for 6 mo?? What a rip! :)
[07:30:00] fryfrog: yes means you have?
[07:30:00] fryfrog: or just "yes people have"?
[07:31:00] j-rod: both
[07:31:00] fryfrog: recommend it?
[07:31:00] j-rod: sure
[07:31:00] sidd: j-rod, the Firmware are in .exe format there. should i download that? am downloading pvr-2.0.30.23123.prerelease.zip from ftp. will that work?
[07:31:00] mchou: quite frankly I'm not sure I grok lxm business plan.
[07:31:00] j-rod: haven't really tried everything yet
[07:31:00] fryfrog: i'm not quite straight on how it works
[07:32:00] dcfogg: gonna give it a try :-)
[07:32:00] fryfrog: do they pay devs to do work on mythtv?
[07:32:00] j-rod: sidd, yeah, then use ivtvfwextract.pl to get the files you need out
[07:32:00] fryfrog: and the features are GPL and incorportead into myth?
[07:32:00] mchou: I'm does lxm really have a turnkey mythtv "solution?"
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[07:32:00] mchou: I mean* does lxm really have a turnkey mythtv "solution?"
[07:33:00] j-rod: there's a bounty system, where yeah, they'll pay a dev to work on some functionality
[07:33:00] j-rod: there's no turnkey solution
[07:33:00] j-rod: just "value-add" services at the moment
[07:33:00] sidd: j-rod i have the hcw* files. do i still need to get the exe?
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[07:33:00] MiX-MaN: man that looks nice
[07:33:00] fryfrog: okay, and the things the devs work on ARE released GPL and (possibly) become part of myth for EVERYONE to use, right?
[07:33:00] mchou: j-rod: so you understand their business model? :)
[07:34:00] MiX-MaN: whats a good place to find some other themes ? :)
[07:34:00] MiX-MaN: free
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[07:34:00] fryfrog: mchou: seems like a pretty simple buisness model
[07:34:00] j-rod: fryfrog, yeah, first example is mythmovietimes, done entirely by their funding, source is in myth's cvs
[07:34:00] fryfrog: mchou: they offer listings service cheap ($5/mo) as well as basically paying devs to do what USERS want instead of what the devs want
[07:35:00] mchou: fryfrog: so share it with me....like how they get a revenue stream and deal with support costrs.....
[07:35:00] j-rod: at the moment, you need their data services for it to be useful, but someone could set up another way to get the data
[07:35:00] fryfrog: at least, thats my take on a quick read of their site
[07:35:00] j-rod: mchou, I'm not businessman, I wouldn't know a business model if it walked up to me and smacked me
[07:35:00] j-rod: :)
[07:35:00] fryfrog: as long as the code is GPL and given freely to myth project, thats all that would matter to me
[07:35:00] mchou: fryfrog: what's lxm's value-add over datadirect?
[07:36:00] j-rod: they provide more than just tv listings
[07:36:00] fryfrog: movies, code
[07:36:00] fryfrog: movie listings i mean
[07:36:00] mchou: (aside from themes and maybe mythmovietimes.
[07:36:00] fryfrog: themes
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[07:36:00] mchou: lol, I wouldnt pays $5/month for that.
[07:36:00] fryfrog: i don't think there is anything more YET, it seems like their goal is to get myth worked on
[07:36:00] j-rod: well, that's just the beginning...
[07:36:00] fryfrog: any idea what the return to devs is?
[07:37:00] j-rod: I've heard numbers tossed around
[07:37:00] fryfrog: i mean, is the $5/mo only like $1/mo to devs and $4/mo to them?
[07:37:00] j-rod: but I don't know anything solid
[07:37:00] sidd: j-rod, i have the hcw files – the firmware for hte encoder as well as the audio. now what do i do?
[07:37:00] mchou: fryfrog: lol, at this point I'd just be concerned about lxm's viability, never mind "return" to devs :)
[07:38:00] j-rod: sidd, ivtvfwextract.pl on the exe, and it'll name them and put them in the right place
[07:38:00] sidd: ok.
[07:38:00] fryfrog: mchou: if they hire NEW devs to do the work and it gets done because some people put in $30 for 6 months...
[07:38:00] fryfrog: even if they go tits-up.com, it would still be worth it
[07:39:00] mchou: Like my investment advisor says "just be glad you get your pricipal back, never mind interest" :)
[07:39:00] fryfrog: but i don't know if they have their own set of devs, artists, ui people or if they just use current myth people
[07:39:00] j-rod: they've picked up at least one core myth dev as a full-time employee already
[07:39:00] j-rod: so he works on nothing but myth now
[07:40:00] mchou: heh, well, that's nice.
[07:40:00] fryfrog: i don't mind dropping a measly $30 on myth if it means new features or improvements that help everyone :)
[07:40:00] fryfrog: especially nice to get to actually vote on what gets worked on
[07:40:00] fryfrog: i'd LOVE to donate access to my stupid unstable mythbox and see if they can fix myth (if its a myth bug)
[07:41:00] mchou: lol, they arent being too specific about new features. I dont pay unless I know someting
[07:41:00] mchou: something*
[07:41:00] fryfrog: i think the point is you pay, then vote on the features
[07:41:00] fryfrog: but yeah, a list of features you are voting on would be nice
[07:41:00] fryfrog: also, i suspec they'll take feature suggestions to be voted on
[07:41:00] mchou: lol, that's no business model.
[07:41:00] fryfrog: how isn't it?
[07:42:00] j-rod: http://gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?post=129232;list=mythtv
[07:42:00] fryfrog: if people will pay for tv / movie listings, then anything on top of that is gravey
[07:42:00] sidd: j-rod. where do i get the .pl file?
[07:42:00] sidd: got it
[07:43:00] mchou: fryfrog: put yourself as ceo of a company. You want other ppl (like shareholders) to determine how you run your business???
[07:43:00] mchou: cause that's exactly the crappy model they are espousing.
[07:44:00] mchou: smells like a pyramid scheme to me :)
[07:45:00] j-rod: I wish GeckoFiend was around, he'd have a bit more to say about everything...
[07:45:00] sidd: j-rod, did it, but there is no change in the size for what i had and what i have now. also the HcwMackoA.ROM was not replaced.
[07:46:00] Bob-Laptop: sidd: I have not been following your issue, I also have 150 cards, can you fill me in?
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[07:47:00] sidd: Bob-Laptop, ok, the dmesg dump is at http://pastebin.ca/12035
[07:47:00] sidd: Bob-Laptop, i have fc3 but no tuner sound
[07:48:00] sidd: i get the tuner sound only when i unload wm8775 and reload it with modprobe wm8775 mixer=1. but then the tuner audio gets attached to composite 3
[07:48:00] sidd: Bob-Laptop, so i lose the composite audio
[07:49:00] sidd: only when i unload and load modprobe wm8775 mixer=2, do i get the composite audio back. now i get tuner video but no audio
[07:49:00] sidd: am using driver 0.3.3k
[07:50:00] sidd: so j-rod suggested i upgrade fw for the card.
[07:50:00] Bob-Laptop: IC
[07:50:00] sidd: have downloaded the fw. what next?
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[07:51:00] Bob-Laptop: sidd: My 150s just worked on FC3...Sorry
[07:51:00] j-rod: sidd, file size may not have changed, but check the md5sum on ivtv-fw-enc.bin
[07:51:00] sidd: Bob-Laptop, which driver version?
[07:51:00] j-rod: you may also need to move the in-kernel tveeprom, msp3400 and tuner out of the way
[07:51:00] sidd: j-rod, ok.
[07:51:00] j-rod: then depmod -ae
[07:51:00] sidd: j-rod, had done that.
[07:51:00] j-rod: and/or just reboot to use the new stuff
[07:51:00] j-rod: ah
[07:52:00] fryfrog: mchou: how are they letting others determine how they run their buisness?
[07:52:00] j-rod: you could also just install the latest FC3 kernel and ivtv rpms from atrpms.net
[07:52:00] sidd: j-rod, infact removed all those .ko files from media/video that existed in /lib/modules/<kver>/extra
[07:52:00] Bob-Laptop: sidd: I am not totally sure, I followed j-rod's guide other than I use yum and not apt-get
[07:53:00] j-rod: sidd, those aren't the in-kernel ones
[07:53:00] sidd: j-rod, that will be the last resort as i have a pretty slow connection.
[07:53:00] j-rod: ah
[07:53:00] j-rod: in-kernel bits are /lib/modules/kernel/drivers/media/video/
[07:53:00] j-rod: (iirc)
[07:54:00] MiX-MaN: how do i get myth to register new themes?
[07:54:00] sidd: j-rod, the same. by media/video i meand /lib/modules/<kver>/kernel/drivers/media/video
[07:54:00] fryfrog: simply put them in the right place MiX-MaN
[07:54:00] sidd: Bob-Laptop, so you used yum to upgrade the kernel and fetch the ivtv rpms right?
[07:55:00] j-rod: d'oh, sorry sidd, misread
[07:55:00] Bob-Laptop: sidd: correct
[07:55:00] sidd: Bob-Laptop, can you give me the config of your yum.conf file?
[07:55:00] j-rod: thought you said you pulled the ones from /extra/
[07:55:00] sidd: dont have the lines fo atrpm.
[07:55:00] Bob-Laptop: sidd: I use the one from the fedorafaq.org
[07:55:00] j-rod: atrpms.net/install.html
[07:56:00] sidd: j-rod, i removed from media/video and used those in extra
[07:56:00] j-rod: ok
[07:56:00] sidd: ok.
[07:56:00] j-rod: should be working then... :(
[07:56:00] MiX-MaN: fryfrog: hmm i put em in /usr/share/mythtv/themes ... how can i find out if thats the right place ;)
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[07:56:00] Bob-Laptop: I only enable atrpms when installing/upgrading mythtv packages
[07:56:00] j-rod: but a newer ivtv might be worth a try too
[07:56:00] fryfrog: are the other themes there?
[07:57:00] MiX-MaN: ya..
[07:57:00] MiX-MaN: but
[07:57:00] sidd: j-rod – have just downloaded the 0.3.4 drivers. am trying those now.
[07:57:00] j-rod: cool
[07:57:00] fweeee: Hiya – I'm having some problems playing some videos with mythvideo. Windows media play (when looking at the files in windows) says they are encoded with Nero Encoder. Is this going to be a problem for mythvideo?
[07:57:00] MiX-MaN: alot of them arnt registering either... im guessing it was from an old install
[07:57:00] j-rod: MiX-MaN, did you install from source after running binary builds?
[07:57:00] MiX-MaN: ya
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[07:58:00] j-rod: what dist?
[07:58:00] fryfrog: its prolly in another location then
[07:58:00] fryfrog: maybe like /usr/local/share/mythtv
[07:58:00] MiX-MaN: mdk 10
[07:58:00] j-rod: using thac's packages?
[07:58:00] MiX-MaN: i used his packs
[07:58:00] MiX-MaN: then upgraded to .18
[07:58:00] j-rod: you should rpm -e all myth packages
[07:58:00] MiX-MaN: then deleted his crap
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[07:58:00] j-rod: you didn't delete everything, it would seem :)
[07:59:00] MiX-MaN: heh
[07:59:00] MiX-MaN: good point :)
[07:59:00] sidd: Bob-Laptop, what all packages do i need for ivtv?
[07:59:00] gnarface: anyone use distcc?
[07:59:00] MiX-MaN: im waiting on the next release them im gonna work on getting it running in slackware
[07:59:00] j-rod: rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep myth` would ensure all the myth binary packages are gone
[07:59:00] MiX-MaN: fryfrog: thx they were there
[08:00:00] MiX-MaN: j-rod: heh will that mess with anything dealing with .18?
[08:00:00] MiX-MaN: dont wanna screw it up
[08:00:00] j-rod: shouldn't
[08:00:00] Bob-Laptop: sidd: I did the myth-suite IIRC
[08:00:00] j-rod: it should actually be cleaner
[08:00:00] MiX-MaN: hmm
[08:00:00] sidd: Bob-Laptop, ok.
[08:00:00] j-rod: no chance of mixed stuff from both binary and source installs
[08:00:00] MiX-MaN: j-rod: might give that a shot.. thx
[08:00:00] sidd: j-rod, if i just want the ivtv, what all should i get. i don't need mythtv yet.
[08:00:00] j-rod: though if you're using an initscript from thac's packages modified to use your source build, it might remove that
[08:01:00] Bob-Laptop: sidd: I am pulling my cluster off my bench now, so I can set up my MythTV stuff
[08:01:00] MiX-MaN: j-rod: heh it already removed that :(
[08:01:00] j-rod: sidd, you mean the ivtv rpms from atrpms.net?
[08:01:00] MiX-MaN: gotta start everthing man.. cause im to lazy to rewrite it
[08:01:00] sidd: j-rod, yes. do i just do the yum -y install ivtv\* ?
[08:02:00] j-rod: first up, you'll have to get the latest kernel, atrpms can't maintain kernel modules for every kernel
[08:02:00] j-rod: then with that kernel booted, 'yum install ivtv ivtv-kmdl-`uname -r`'
[08:02:00] sidd: j-rod, ok. thanks.
[08:02:00] j-rod: or just 'yum install ivtv ivtv-kmdl-2.6.11–1.14_FC3'
[08:03:00] j-rod: and that may pull in the kernel too...
[08:03:00] j-rod: I'm more familiar with apt
[08:03:00] sidd: will reboot with the new driver and if it still doesnt work, will go the j-rod way. will first upgrade the kernel separately and then go in for ivtv.
[08:03:00] sidd: gotta reboot now.
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[08:04:00] j-rod: and on that note, time for me to get some sleep or something
[08:04:00] j-rod: later all
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[08:07:00] fryfrog: is mythmovietime in the myth-plugins?
[08:08:00] fryfrog: ah, i see not
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[08:25:00] MiX-MaN: anyone know where i can find the news scroller for mythtv?
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[08:37:00] gnarface: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.5–20050130/include/g++-v3/bits/loca le_facets.h:155: internal compiler error: Segmentation
[08:37:00] gnarface: fault
[08:37:00] gnarface: ??
[08:40:00] warren: you hit a gcc bug
[08:42:00] warren: MiX-MaN, look at the bottom of the screen on any 24 hour news station, news scroller =)
[08:44:00] MiX-MaN: warren: bah.. not what im looking for ;)
[08:46:00] MiX-MaN: warren: http://www.aldorf.no/mythtv/news_scroller.jpg
[08:48:00] warren: gnarface, you should report that to your distribution's bug tracker, however you need to collect data to easily reproduce it
[08:49:00] warren: collecting data is the hard part if your gcc doesn't save temporary data into /tmp in the event of an ICE like Red Hat's compiler.
[08:51:00] gnarface: its gentoo
[08:52:00] warren: Then report it.
[08:52:00] warren: ask them for help on collecting the preprocessed source necessary to reproduce it
[08:53:00] Bogus8: Is there a command that "goes live" if you have rewound your live program a bit vs fastforwarding to the present... which doesn't seem like it really gets there anyway?
[08:54:00] linagee: gnarface: "You can't use that here."
[08:55:00] gnarface: i'll report it
[08:56:00] linagee: it's a classic thing to say in old RPG games when you try to do something they didn't program. :-)
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[09:00:00] obe1: so no more free zap2it...
[09:04:00] gnarface: what's up with that anyway?
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[09:14:00] smoke_: anyone using mythtv with gentoo?
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[09:29:00] NightMonkey: obe1: Is that true? I thought it was still available...
[09:30:00] obe1: isnt there some /. article about the future of zap2it and mythtv?
[09:31:00] NightMonkey: obe1: Hmm... guess you didn't read it...
[09:32:00] obe1: does it say $5/per month
[09:33:00] obe1: LxMSuite will be giving their subscribers new themes and even additional features and functionality each month. And they are promising that the net proceeds from each $5/month subscription will go to sponsor Open Source Development (presumably MythTV)
[09:34:00] smoke_: any of u guys using gentoo?
[09:34:00] obe1: smoke_ yes me
[09:34:00] smoke_: when u emerged
[09:34:00] smoke_: ok wait, u using ivtv?
[09:35:00] obe1: yea, i have a pvr250
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[09:35:00] smoke_: obe1, oh sweeet, what cpu u sing?
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[09:35:00] obe1: dual amd mp's
[09:36:00] smoke_: mp?
[09:36:00] smoke_: so ur pretty fast then
[09:36:00] obe1: i guess
[09:36:00] smoke_: ok, well .. i just set up mythtv last week, and i accidentally nuked my box
[09:37:00] smoke_: i was having these wierd issues with it, but im reinstalling it now, .. did u have any problems with mythtv, and it displaying cable fromt eh tuner card?
[09:37:00] smoke_: or everything was pretty painless?
[09:37:00] smoke_: cuz i kept getting this lame error that would happen constantly, and it just keep repeating error reading: /dev/v4l/video0
[09:37:00] smoke_: dunno tho
[09:37:00] obe1: everything was painless, i did not encounter problems
[09:38:00] obe1: i am not using ivtv from portage
[09:38:00] smoke_: you compiled it yourself?
[09:38:00] obe1: i made an ebuild for the 0.3.x series
[09:38:00] smoke_: ah
[09:38:00] smoke_: did you have problems with the portage ivtv?
[09:38:00] obe1: 0.2.x i would receive DMA errors after long recordings
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[09:43:00] gnarface: anyone using 0.18.1
[09:43:00] gnarface: ?
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[09:48:00] NightMonkey: obe1: Yeah, but it said nothing about you having to use it – I think zap2it will still be around, at least for a while.
[09:48:00] argon_: any one other the problem that a IVTV card FREEZES the LIVE TV of mythtv? dont know, had tried a LOT :\
[09:48:00] Stonekeeper: Hi. I live in the UK and am after a capture device for scart for capturing satellite and a DVB card. Can anyone recommend anything? I've googled 'till me eyes popped....
[09:48:00] obe1: NightMonkey: hopefully that is the case...
[09:48:00] NightMonkey: Just signed up for LxM, and installing 0.18.1 – we'll see how that goes.
[09:49:00] NightMonkey: obe1: Nobody said that it would last forever, anyway. They just did it to stop scrapers from brining their web servers to their knees.
[09:51:00] NightMonkey: I wonder if any devs were actually approached about it. Like, did any of them agree "yes, if I get some cash for that project, I'll do it"?
[09:51:00] obe1: The service is available free of charge by periodically filling in surveys similar to the one presented during registration, and the data provider has no intention of charging for it in the future.
[09:51:00] obe1: right out-of-the-faq
[09:52:00] NightMonkey: obe1: Yep.
[09:52:00] obe1: well it says the proceeds of the $5/mth which could also be $0.10
[09:53:00] NightMonkey: obe1: You mean the LXM FAQ?
[09:53:00] obe1: and it says to fund open source software (presumably MythTV)... why presumably, wouldnt be MythTV or nothing...
[09:54:00] obe1: no that is from the MythTV faq
[09:54:00] NightMonkey: obel: Ah.
[09:54:00] obe1: about zap2it service
[09:57:00] NightMonkey: obe1: Hmm... I'm trying to find the section you're quoting from on the official FAQ, no luck :(.
[09:57:00] NightMonkey: obe1: Link, please?
[09:57:00] obe1: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.3 <= err it was the howto
[10:03:00] NightMonkey: Well, on second thought, since only the core mythtv ebuild has been updated, I'm gonna wait... there's a reason it's hard masked.
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[10:29:00] fryfrog: NightMonkey: you talking about the upgrade/downgrade in gentoo with 0.18.1?
[10:30:00] fryfrog: NightMonkey: for mythvideo and mythmusic, just copying the ebuild to "0.18.1.ebuild" was enough to get those two plugins working, nothing major seems to have changed
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[11:46:00] cwynn_wk: anyone one lurking?
[11:48:00] cwynn_wk: just got a hold of a dell poweredge 1750 and 4GB of RAM but my tuner cards run on another sytem.
[11:49:00] cwynn_wk: Is it possible to have my video output be processed on the 1750 for transcoding?
[11:49:00] cwynn_wk: has onyone seen/done this b4?
[11:49:00] fryfrog: it'd be...
[11:49:00] fryfrog: akward i think?
[11:50:00] cwynn_wk: yeah i thought so
[11:50:00] fryfrog: you'd prolly have to make it have all the space and perhaps 1 tuner card
[11:50:00] fryfrog: then make it a master backend
[11:50:00] fryfrog: and tell the slave backends to NOT run transcode/commflag locally
[11:50:00] fryfrog: you CAN put the tuner cards in the 1750 (if it isn't a 1U with only 1 or 2 slots?)
[11:50:00] fryfrog: and use your other system as a plain jane front end w/o a tuner card
[11:51:00] cwynn_wk: unfortunately they are 64 bit pci slots!  :(
[11:51:00] fryfrog: a 32bit card will work in a 64bit pci-x slot
[11:51:00] fryfrog: is that a 1U job though?
[11:51:00] cwynn_wk: that was my thought as well but my slots dont fit.
[11:52:00] cwynn_wk: it shuts system down when inserted
[11:52:00] cwynn_wk: iu yes
[11:52:00] fryfrog: ah, thats odd
[11:52:00] cwynn_wk: 1u yes
[11:52:00] fryfrog: i think i have a 1450 :)
[11:52:00] fryfrog: P3 866 with 1G ram
[11:52:00] fryfrog: whats the cpu in a 1750?
[11:53:00] fryfrog: but i have 2 64bit raid cards in the pci-x slots, so i've never tried a tuner card
[11:53:00] cwynn_wk: Xeon something gotta db check later
[11:53:00] fryfrog: maybe you can run a master backend w/o any tuner cards in it
[11:53:00] fryfrog: and setup the others as slaves
[11:54:00] cwynn_wk: so set up mythtv on both systems?
[11:54:00] fryfrog: there'd be no way of doing it w/o mythtv on the 1750
[11:55:00] fryfrog: unless you do some scripts or symlinks or something that makes the other server do the work
[11:55:00] fryfrog: or something
[11:55:00] fryfrog: THOUGH
[11:55:00] fryfrog: if you don't mind just using nuvexport
[11:55:00] fryfrog: you could mount the recordings dir over NFS on the 1750 and just use "nuvexport" on it
[11:56:00] fryfrog: you'd need to point nuvexport to your myth's db i think, but that'd prolly work and be pretty easy
[11:56:00] cwynn_wk: ok
[11:56:00] cwynn_wk: how is your setup configured?
[11:56:00] cwynn_wk: 1450 good for you?
[11:57:00] fryfrog: oh, thats not related to myth
[11:57:00] fryfrog: my myth is a crappy amd 1600+ w/ 200G hd
[11:57:00] fryfrog: and 4x pvr 250s
[11:57:00] fryfrog: the 1450 is my web/file server
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[11:58:00] cwynn_wk: ahh i see
[11:59:00] fryfrog: it does have a nice hefty 800G array attached to it :)
[11:59:00] fryfrog: but thats unimpressive now-a-days
[11:59:00] cwynn_wk: WOW!
[11:59:00] cwynn_wk: hell it aint
[11:59:00] fryfrog: 2x 400G drives could replace it :)
[11:59:00] fryfrog: and NOT sound like a jet airplane taking off
[12:00:00] cwynn_wk: yeah i know
[12:00:00] cwynn_wk: that thing is LOUD
[12:00:00] fryfrog: well, 3 if i wanted raid 5 :)
[12:00:00] fryfrog: 4 if i wanted raid 5 + hotspare like i have now
[12:00:00] fryfrog: man, you should hear the 14 drive array if you think that 1U is loud
[12:01:00] fryfrog: makes yours look like a silent system :)
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[12:02:00] fryfrog: wow
[12:02:00] fryfrog: google maps sat images of florida, i can see boats going along!
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[12:07:00] Stonekeeper: what's better for mythtv: pvr350 or plextor convertX? They're both the same price
[12:07:00] cwynn_wk: fryfrog: you got any docs of your curent install? Im going to attempt to document this up and submit to Jarod for maybe integrating and adding to online stuff.
[12:07:00] cwynn_wk: think it might be helpful
[12:07:00] cwynn_wk: maybe
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[12:13:00] smoke_: is anyone around?
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[12:31:00] ethichs: hello all anyone got a few moments to help me out ?
[12:32:00] Agrajag-: how do we know if we can help you unless we know your problem
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[12:35:00] ethichs: what do i lose loading nvidia driver over vesa?
[12:35:00] Agrajag-: hmm only think i can think of is that the nvidia driver isn't free
[12:36:00] ethichs: i keep getting : Xlib: extension "XVideo" missing on display ":0.0"......
[12:36:00] ethichs: when trying to run tv apps
[12:37:00] ethichs: is this something ive just got to configure
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[12:37:00] Agrajag-: hmm not sure sorry
[12:38:00] ethichs: well anyways the main problem i have (i got mythtv workign) is how to setup my channels....im in australia and tvgrab doesnt work for me
[12:38:00] karim: hi
[12:38:00] karim: is it possible to stream video from backend to front end ?
[12:38:00] karim: for exemple if backend is on a different computer than front end ?
[12:39:00] Agrajag-: ethichs: here's my tv_grab_au script: http://home.whatsbeef.net:1339/~filip/tv_grab_au
[12:40:00] Agrajag-: karim: err that's the whole point
[12:40:00] Agrajag-: oh wait you're talking video
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[12:40:00] Agrajag-: just mount the drive
[12:40:00] argon_: ethichs, look at the page of your provider
[12:40:00] argon_: for the freqs of the channels
[12:40:00] ethichs: Agrajag-, just replace the existing?
[12:40:00] Agrajag-: ethichs: no
[12:40:00] Agrajag-: where in .au are you?
[12:41:00] ethichs: im just normal tv
[12:41:00] Agrajag-: yeah.. where in australia are you?
[12:41:00] ethichs: melb
[12:41:00] Agrajag-: k.. edit the top of that file and put in your correct location and stuff
[12:41:00] Agrajag-: and the directories to temp data
[12:41:00] ethichs: melbourne
[12:42:00] Agrajag-: it's not a standard tv_grab_* script so you can't do --configure
[12:42:00] Agrajag-: and you should run it from cron, like:
[12:42:00] Agrajag-: 30 06 * * * /home/filip/tv_grab_au --output=/home/filip/tv_grab_au_cache/guide.xml && /usr/local/bin/mythfilldatabase --file 1 -1 /home/filip/tv_grab_au_cache/guide.xml
[12:43:00] adante: wahey aussies unite
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[12:48:00] ethichs: Agrajag-, will this make my initial channel listing?
[12:49:00] Agrajag-: eh?
[12:49:00] ethichs: i need to tune them in etc
[12:49:00] Agrajag-: you need to run mythtv-setup
[12:49:00] ethichs: and xawtv wont run for me
[12:49:00] Agrajag-: and setup the source, using the australian freq list
[12:49:00] ethichs: yeah i have ive set up the tuner but channels wont scan for me...its greyed out
[12:50:00] ethichs: i did but it doesnt list any in channels
[12:50:00] Agrajag-: what's greyed out?
[12:51:00] Agrajag-: are you sure your card is even setup properly?
[12:51:00] ethichs: the scan for channels button
[12:52:00] ethichs: Agrajag-, no im not sure...i think it is as ivtv fids it in modprobe but i cant test the use of it as xawtv keeps saying xlib XViideo not loaded
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[12:53:00] Agrajag-: hmm i dunno i dont use ivtv
[12:53:00] ethichs: im just changing kernels for a sound driver so i was hoping it may resove my issues
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[12:54:00] ethichs: well it works like bttv in creating video0–4 etc
[12:54:00] ethichs: from there it should be software
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[12:54:00] mirak: Agrajag-: I don't think mounting the drive would work
[12:54:00] Agrajag-: why not?
[12:54:00] Agrajag-: works for me
[12:55:00] mirak: Agrajag-:hem that's not the answer to my question
[12:55:00] mirak: mmm how to say that :)
[12:55:00] Agrajag-: what?
[12:55:00] mirak: well so you are saying that if I have a video card on A , I can watch on the screen of B ?
[12:55:00] mirak: but how will the video stream will transit ?
[12:56:00] mirak: will it be brut mpeg2, or X remote connection ?
[12:56:00] mirak: I am not sure to know what can be done with mythtv
[12:56:00] Agrajag-: are you talking about watching live tv, watching recordings, or videos?
[12:56:00] mirak: live tv
[12:56:00] Agrajag-: with recordings and live tv it streams it
[12:57:00] groepaz: ethichs: try cat /dev/video0 | mplayer -
[12:57:00] mirak: the stream is recompressed by mthtv ?
[12:57:00] Agrajag-: mirak: depends on the card you're using
[12:57:00] mirak: Agrajag-: yes but what can be done ?
[12:57:00] groepaz: ethichs: xawtv for some reason doesnt work here at all (dies with a simelar error)
[12:58:00] Agrajag-: mirak: i dunno what you'er talking about
[12:58:00] mirak: Agrajag-: ok, so a card that output a mpeg2 stream
[12:58:00] Agrajag-: if you have a hardware encoder (or dvb)
[12:58:00] Agrajag-: then you can use that stream
[12:58:00] mirak: Agrajag-: the backend can grab the stream as it, and stream it back to the front end ?
[12:58:00] Agrajag-: yes
[12:58:00] mirak: cool
[12:59:00] mirak: mythtv can compress the stream in the case of a non mpeg2 card, and stream it to the front end also I guess
[13:00:00] mirak: ?
[13:00:00] Agrajag-: yep
[13:02:00] ethichs: caache isnt filling
[13:03:00] ethichs: ill be rebooting in a sec with a enw kernel so ill se what happens then
[13:03:00] ethichs: new kernel rather
[13:04:00] groepaz: ethichs: just do modprobe -r ivtv && modprobe ivtv ... sometimes the driver gets "stuck"
[13:05:00] ethichs: cache filled up
[13:05:00] ethichs: oh my sound driver isnt working how do i tel mplayer to play without sound?
[13:06:00] ethichs: ok i got a display in mplayer...static
[13:06:00] Agrajag-: well that's probably a good thing
[13:07:00] groepaz: ethichs: sound should just work....nothing special required
[13:08:00] groepaz: ethichs: you can use the ptune-ui.pl (which comes with ivtv) to tune in a channel
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[13:08:00] ethichs: my sound isnt working due to driver issue which i why im updating kernels
[13:09:00] groepaz: mplayer -nosound ? something like that
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[13:13:00] ethichs: and if it says it's tunign btu i cant find a signal?
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[13:14:00] Agrajag-: then you need to fix your antenna?
[13:14:00] groepaz: hehe
[13:14:00] groepaz: :=P
[13:15:00] opello: so what's this about the new pay-for-guide stuff and no more zap2it?
[13:15:00] opello: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/0 . . . amp;from=rss
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[13:19:00] ethichs: hmm having issues brb reboot with new kernel
[13:21:00] gecko: mchou The entire purpose of the LxmSuite data serivces is to fund Myth development. Don't look at the data services project and think that's all the is to Technovera. That's just a piece of the puzzle.
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[13:37:00] mirak: are ADS Tech Instant TV DVB-T supported on linux ?
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[13:50:00] Stonekeeper: anyone from the UK here?
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[13:57:00] ethics: Agrajag-, ok back still sound issues still problems with thv hehe
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[14:19:00] mirak: can wintv pvr 150 record in mpeg2 ?
[14:19:00] Muxen: I believe so
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[14:20:00] maddhaggis: Morning all
[14:20:00] mirak: ok I was comparing it to pbr 350 and trying to find what justified the price of the 350
[14:20:00] mirak: wich is the double
[14:20:00] mirak: pvr
[14:21:00] maddhaggis: Is it possible to use both an IR receiver and an IR blaster on the same serial port?
[14:22:00] sphing: i'd imagine no
[14:22:00] sphing: unless they were designed for it
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[14:35:00] Muxen: anyone seen this error? IVTV_IOC_G_CODEC:: Bad address
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[14:35:00] Muxen: Reported by myth backend when your try to switch to watching live tv
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[14:51:00] mirak: what horse power is needed to record live in mpeg2 ?
[14:51:00] mirak: with the cpu
[14:52:00] laga: pvr x50?
[14:52:00] mirak: no
[14:53:00] mirak: for exemple 320*240
[14:53:00] mirak: from a pctv rave
[14:53:00] laga: dunno. it's covered in the docs.
[14:53:00] mirak: I guess with pvr it's zero cpu
[14:53:00] laga: almost zero, yep
[14:53:00] mirak: ok I wil check that
[14:54:00] riksta: 80bhp will do fine
[14:54:00] laga: bhp? bit horse power?
[14:54:00] riksta: nah brake :)
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[14:55:00] mirak: http://www.adstech.fr/products/PTV-334/productspecs.asp
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[14:55:00] riksta: hows you laga
[14:55:00] mirak: I am interested with this card, but I don't know if works on linux
[14:55:00] mirak: or if analogic output is mpeg2
[14:55:00] laga: riksta: fine, but tired. and you? ;)
[14:55:00] riksta: same
[14:55:00] mirak: I mean hertzian opposite to TNT
[14:56:00] riksta: woke up at like 4:30am for some reason
[14:56:00] laga: riksta: that blows.
[14:56:00] riksta: well...it's cuz i fell asleep yesterday at like 5pm tbh
[14:56:00] riksta: :)
[14:57:00] laga: :/
[14:57:00] laga: i only got 5 hours of sleep, as usual. thank god for coffee and energy drinks ;)
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[15:02:00] ethics: ok i got sound working np so now its down to ivtv
[15:03:00] CyberKnet: *yawn*
[15:03:00] ethics: anyone got a PVR-150 ?
[15:03:00] riksta: laga, that stuff fucks you up tho
[15:03:00] riksta: bad for your body all that caffine
[15:03:00] CyberKnet: I need some caffeine
[15:04:00] CyberKnet: Caffeine stunts your growth. When I was 16, and 6'2", I decided I didn't *care* if it stunted my growth. =)
[15:04:00] reel: ethics: yes
[15:04:00] laga: heh.
[15:04:00] laga: CyberKnet: i grew although i smoked. propaganda, hehe.
[15:04:00] CyberKnet: I mean, when you're 6'2" long already... =P"
[15:05:00] ethics: reel what tuner tupe is it?
[15:05:00] reel: how do i look it up
[15:05:00] ethics: reel, mines not working autoconfiged it seems
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[15:05:00] reel: oh i ran through jarod's setup and it worked
[15:06:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: heh, I decided the same thing when I hit 6 feet
[15:06:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: *grin*
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[15:06:00] Beirdo: although I had already been stunting my growth for about 4.5 years at that point
[15:06:00] riksta: fags?
[15:06:00] Beirdo: and you missed a good concert
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[15:06:00] Beirdo: riksta: no, not smokes... caffeine
[15:06:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: gah. don't tell me how good she was last night =)
[15:07:00] Beirdo: heh
[15:07:00] CyberKnet: I'd really like to go see nat merch at a concert some time. I bet she's great live.
[15:07:00] riksta: ahh i shud read more
[15:08:00] Beirdo: She did every song on Afterglow, and almost all of the older "famous" songe
[15:08:00] Beirdo: songs rather
[15:08:00] Beirdo: all but "I Love You" :)
[15:08:00] CyberKnet: aaah, still havent won the newegg weekly sweepstakes. :|
[15:08:00] Beirdo: was an excellent concert. so there
[15:08:00] CyberKnet: haven't heard "I Love You"
[15:08:00] Beirdo: really?
[15:08:00] CyberKnet: just after glow, Angel and I Will Rem...
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[15:09:00] CyberKnet: my wife went to a funeral and they played Angel
[15:09:00] CyberKnet: Doesn't angel seem like a really inappropriate song for a funeral?
[15:09:00] Beirdo: it's on "Surfacing"
[15:09:00] Beirdo: anyways
[15:10:00] Beirdo: yeah.
[15:10:00] Beirdo: she has lots of lovesongs where someone gets screwed over in the end
[15:10:00] CyberKnet: I guess they just were focusing on the chorus, and not the verses.
[15:10:00] ethics: reel ??
[15:11:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: definitely worth the $60 * 2 :)
[15:11:00] Beirdo: and mom enjoyed it too
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[15:13:00] mirak: what good dvb-t would you advise to buy ?
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[15:29:00] CyberKnet: wow. 1GB (2x512) DDR 400 dual channel kit for $74.99 from newegg
[15:29:00] CyberKnet: that's a really good deal.
[15:29:00] Beirdo: heh
[15:30:00] CyberKnet: I mean, I dont need any ram, but if I did... I'd be all over that.
[15:30:00] laga: nice price.
[15:33:00] Beirdo: you're more into the sheep, not the ram :)
[15:33:00] Beirdo: heh
[15:34:00] ** Beirdo runs **
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[15:44:00] brandon_: Just wondering, I haven't seen anything from Issac for many weeks on any maillist, does anyone know why? Sick, injured, busy, gave up?
[15:44:00] Beirdo: busy, likely
[15:44:00] jcohen: yeseterday I couldn't get visor to load. Now even GANT isn't working propperly
[15:45:00] Beirdo: just be thankful he's not flaming your ass
[15:45:00] jcohen: QFile::open: No file name specified
[15:45:00] jcohen: 2005-05–18 10:44:04.189 ThemedMenuPrivate: Couldn't read menu file mainmenu.xml
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[15:45:00] GreyFoxx: brandon_: Ummmmm how about yesterday ?
[15:45:00] GreyFoxx: 2HDate: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:08:57 -0400
[15:45:00] GreyFoxx: tomimo_: mythtv-dev@mythtv.org
[15:45:00] GreyFoxx: From: Isaac Richards <ijr@case.edu >
[15:45:00] jcohen: however /usr/local/share/mythtv/mainmenu.xml is readable
[15:46:00] jcohen: any idea what's going on?
[15:46:00] GreyFoxx: jcohen: strace the process and ensure that /usr/local/share/mythtv/mainmenu.xml is the file it's trying to load
[15:46:00] jcohen: how do i strace the process?
[15:47:00] GreyFoxx: man strace
[15:49:00] jcohen: ahh, access("/usr/share/mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T.//mainmenu.xml
[15:49:00] jcohen: that explains why it can't find visor
[15:49:00] jcohen: which is in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes
[15:50:00] jcohen: i thought mythtv used /usr/local/share. When did it start using /usr/share?
[15:51:00] GreyFoxx: jcohen: a lot of packagers put it in /usr/share
[15:51:00] jcohen: a make install of mythtvthemes copies to /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes
[15:51:00] jcohen: GreyFoxx, i always use source
[15:51:00] GreyFoxx: check the ./configure script
[15:51:00] GreyFoxx: on all my systems it went to the proper location
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[15:52:00] jcohen: the Myththemes makefile (no configure) shows /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes
[15:53:00] jcohen: are you using .18 or .18.1?
[15:53:00] GreyFoxx: .18
[15:53:00] jcohen: me too
[15:53:00] GreyFoxx: .18.1 has nothing for me
[15:53:00] jcohen: strangely i only seem to have this problem in debian
[15:53:00] GreyFoxx: well, since it'
[15:53:00] jcohen: but all my themes are in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes in mandrake too
[15:53:00] GreyFoxx: s mythfrontend that's look, that is where you should concentrate your search
[15:53:00] GreyFoxx: or just symlink the spots and carry on :)
[15:54:00] jcohen: default paramaters for .18 is prefix=/usr/local
[15:55:00] GreyFoxx: type this " which mythfrontend"
[15:55:00] GreyFoxx: what does it report ?
[15:55:00] jcohen: /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend
[15:55:00] GreyFoxx: maybe something in the database? Otherwise, no idea :)
[15:55:00] Beirdo: strace is your friend
[15:56:00] Beirdo: I bet you messed something up
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[15:58:00] jcohen: Beirdo, like what. I downloaded the mythtv, mythplugins and myththemes source package, compilied mythtv, installed it, compiled mythplugins, installed it, installed mythtmes, then tried running mythfrontend
[15:58:00] jcohen: i then made a duplicate of my /usr/local/share/mythtv dir on my desktop on my laptop with rsync and i still got the same error
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[15:58:00] Beirdo: I dunno, but it sounds like a pebcak issue when everyone else has no problems, you gotta admit
[15:59:00] jcohen: and there is no /usr/share/mythtv on my desktop
[15:59:00] jcohen: i previously installed using the deb packages. perhaps one of it's config files is laying around
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[16:01:00] jcohen: well, visor is working fine now so i'm not complaining
[16:02:00] jcohen: GreyFoxx, what kind of range do you get on your Niveus remote? I'm planning a setup where it'll need to send the signals through a floor to the backend on the basement (one floor)
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[16:05:00] Tommck: what causes a recording to come out with a Zero size?
[16:05:00] laga: Tommck: bad drivers....
[16:06:00] Tommck: laga – hmm... but the drivers seem to work most of the time (pcHDTV 1.6 – with two HD3000s)
[16:07:00] jcohen: lol, i had that once. my bttv and ivtv card mysteriously switched names (/dev/video0 and /dev/video1) and all my shows for two days were 0 bytes
[16:07:00] jcohen: i had to manually delete them from the db as i couldn't delete them from the frontend
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[16:08:00] laga: jcohen: that sucks. happened to me with my webcam and my pvr 250.
[16:08:00] Tommck: jcohen – this is a single recording
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[16:09:00] jcohen: laga, did you ever figure out why the dev locations switched? for me it occured after a loss of power
[16:10:00] mirak: anyone have Ads tech instant tv dvb-t pci, or Pinnacle Systems PCTV MediaCenter 200i ?
[16:10:00] laga: jcohen: the drivers for the cam get loaded before ivtv. i usually dont have the cam plugged in when i boot up.
[16:10:00] mirak: I am not sure if they are supported on linux
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[16:10:00] Beirdo: mirak: then go to the DVB drivers site and find out
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[16:10:00] Tommck: laga – so you think bad drivers is the only possibility?
[16:11:00] laga: Tommck: nope. bad epg-data? dunno.
[16:11:00] laga: Tommck: check the logs and dmesg
[16:11:00] Tommck: laga – have been ... don't see anything in there
[16:11:00] johnp_: mirak, http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Supported_DVB_cards
[16:11:00] jcohen: laga, i believe that happened to me with my logitech quickcam
[16:11:00] laga: jcohen: this is a logitech quickcam.
[16:11:00] jcohen: but i noticed it as soon as i tried to watch tv
[16:12:00] Beirdo: thank you, johnp_. I knew it was there somewhere
[16:12:00] laga: jcohen: hey! have you tried it with mythphone? do you get a bluish picture?
[16:12:00] Tommck: it would be nice if the dmesg output had timestamps
[16:12:00] jcohen: laga, nope, picture was fine
[16:13:00] mirak: johnp_: they are not in it
[16:13:00] laga: jcohen: are you still using it? probably with apost 2.6.9 kernel?
[16:13:00] mirak: johnp_: they are not refered as unsuported either :)
[16:13:00] ** CyberKnet has an old parallel port quickcam that he'll trade for a usb quickcam if anyone needs it **
[16:14:00] jcohen: laga, i only used it with 2.6.8
[16:14:00] laga: jcohen: ok. because somewhere around 2.6.9. or 2.6.10, they disabled the colorspace conversion in the kernel by default, and i guess that's the reason why faces etc are blue.
[16:14:00] laga: i can't enable it :/
[16:15:00] Tommck: laga – my dmesg has "cx88atsc: buffer overrun" messages in it... but I think they're old
[16:15:00] laga: dunno, sorry. i don't do HDTV :/
[16:15:00] jcohen: laga, why would they do that?
[16:15:00] Tommck: anyone know why trying to delete a show would cause the front end to lockup? :)
[16:16:00] Beirdo: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Wh . . . _in_Linux.3F
[16:16:00] Beirdo: there
[16:16:00] Tommck: Beirdo – who's that for?
[16:16:00] Beirdo: mirak.
[16:16:00] laga: jcohen: dunno. probably some stupid decision.
[16:16:00] Tommck: cool
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[16:17:00] Manolis: Hello
[16:17:00] laga: jcohen: fun stuff, though. when i load it, it tells me that i need to use the colorspace_conv option for some older apps. when i try that option, dmesg/cpia says that this option is not supported. *sigh*
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[16:20:00] Manolis: I see a lot of posts regarding the Nvidia blue line problem
[16:20:00] Manolis: but has anyone every had a problem with blue noise – looks like a scratched movie or small amounts of static in blue?
[16:20:00] Manolis: I've fiddled with xvattr and can't seem to get rid of it
[16:22:00] Beirdo: I'm gonna bitch-slap zap2it soon
[16:22:00] Tommck: Beirdo – why?
[16:22:00] Beirdo: STOP auto-adding channels to my lineup, dammit
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[16:22:00] laga: Beirdo: heh.
[16:22:00] Tommck: Beirdo – oh yeah.. that's irritating
[16:23:00] tcube: talking about epg, I have a problem of channel information mismatch between dvb-scan (in mythtv) and the data from zap2it.
[16:24:00] tcube: should I not doing dvb channel scan and just use zap2it?
[16:26:00] ** Beirdo goes and purges the extra channels and all program info for them **
[16:27:00] tcube: just purge it?
[16:27:00] Beirdo: tcube: I have no idea for you
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[16:28:00] tcube: Beirdo: understood. thanks
[16:32:00] johnp_: tcube, is this not the problem where you need to go and edit the xmltv id by hand into the channel lists  ?
[16:32:00] johnp_: (painful I know)
[16:33:00] Beirdo: johnp_: If you wish to add this to the Channel FAQ, you are most welcome to :)
[16:33:00] johnp_: Berido, well I would but I'm not entirely sure about it
[16:33:00] Beirdo: heh :)
[16:33:00] Beirdo: OK
[16:34:00] johnp_: dopester was muttering about it before he went to az.
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[16:35:00] Beirdo: gonna have to kick him around and get him to update the FAQ :)
[16:35:00] tcube: oops, a little late to response and thank johnp_
[16:36:00] johnp_: don't thank me unless it works :)
[16:36:00] Beirdo: it's likely the issue though
[16:36:00] Beirdo: I hear mumblings about that a fair amount, but have no clue
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[16:39:00] tcube: gonna try that later after I get this new mythtv installation up. this is my 8+ installations during the last 2 weeks :(
[16:40:00] johnp_: practise makes perfect.
[16:40:00] Beirdo: practise makes tired
[16:40:00] tcube: /nod /nod
[16:40:00] CyberKnet: tired tired
[16:40:00] CyberKnet: 4:30am wakeup calls makes tired too
[16:41:00] tcube: hi cyberKnet
[16:41:00] CyberKnet: sup tcube
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[16:42:00] tcube: last night I change the card and my system screw up , so I am doing a new install. but the playback using nvidia seems a lot smother than ati
[16:42:00] raju: So I used to have a mythtv system using a PVR-250. Thinking about building an HD system, any suggestions? :)
[16:42:00] laga: raju: fast processor, hdtv card, HDTV. ;)
[16:43:00] CyberKnet: raju: Yes. Offload that pvr-250 once you get an air2pc cause you wont want to watch SDTV any more =)
[16:43:00] CyberKnet: tcube: good for you =)
[16:44:00] raju: I was reading up on some of this stuff, everyone is mentioning over the air HD
[16:44:00] raju: Does the pchdtv card not work with cable?
[16:44:00] CyberKnet: raju: I read something about supporting HD over cable, but only if it was not encrypted.
[16:44:00] CyberKnet: raju: but I'm not certain how far along that support was.
[16:44:00] CyberKnet: raju: I think they referred to it as QAM support
[16:45:00] raju: How many stations are actually broadcasting over the air tho?
[16:45:00] raju: Not many, right?
[16:45:00] CyberKnet: www.antennaweb.org
[16:45:00] CyberKnet: will tell you what stations you can pick up in your area with which antennas
[16:45:00] CyberKnet: ;)
[16:45:00] CyberKnet: better than me saying "Maybe yes, maybe no"
[16:46:00] raju: Oh ok
[16:46:00] raju: Thanks
[16:46:00] Beirdo: heh
[16:46:00] raju: So basically ABC, NBC, PBS, and FOX :)
[16:46:00] Beirdo: and even then it's not 100% accurate
[16:47:00] Beirdo: the only way to know for sure is to set it up
[16:47:00] raju: so I'm sorry if I ask a lot of questions, just trying to clear things up before I start ordering parts
[16:47:00] raju: But what if I want to watch HBO in HD
[16:47:00] raju: Can't be done?
[16:48:00] Beirdo: not over-the-air, I'd bet
[16:48:00] raju: Well, yeah :)
[16:48:00] raju: But these cards supposedly don't work with cable or satellite
[16:48:00] CyberKnet: raju: get a set top box with your cable provider that has firewire output. =)
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[16:50:00] raju: Then what's air2pc?
[16:50:00] CyberKnet: air2pc is for receiving over the air digital tv
[16:50:00] EmergeTW: So what the hell is the deal with TechnoVera and MythTV?
[16:50:00] raju: same as pchdtv 3000 or 2000?
[16:50:00] Beirdo: I refuse to answer what is covered in the channed faq
[16:50:00] CyberKnet: and might have some support for over the cable digital tv as long as it is not encrypted
[16:50:00] Beirdo: channel rather
[16:50:00] EmergeTW: tell me that we can still use zap2it for free
[16:51:00] CyberKnet: EmergeTW: stop reading slashdot, okay?
[16:51:00] EmergeTW: CyberKnet: hehe, you got me
[16:51:00] Beirdo: EmergeTW: I'll tell you to go to zap2it and ask them
[16:51:00] raju: Sorry
[16:51:00] raju: Gonna go read the channel faq
[16:51:00] CyberKnet: EmergeTW: If you're not smart enough to be able to read through slashdot hype and idiocy, then you shouldn't be reading it.
[16:52:00] EmergeTW: CyberKnet: well, I just woke up to get my morning dose of slashdot hillarity, and I see essientially "mythtv users will have to pay for program information"
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[16:52:00] EmergeTW: my mind is still fragile at the moment
[16:53:00] GeckoFiend: EmergeTW nope that's not the case at all. You can still use Zap2it's free service.
[16:53:00] Beirdo: then like most slashdot reading tards... instead of verifying the details, you believed it as is
[16:53:00] Beirdo: heh.
[16:53:00] raju: So if I use air2pc, I'd still have to have a PVR-x50 card to be able to watch SDTV, which might come in thru cable or satellite, correct?
[16:53:00] Beirdo: slashdot is Crrrrrap
[16:53:00] GeckoFiend: I liked the guy who claimed this was a fork and got modded +5
[16:53:00] Beirdo: correct, raju
[16:54:00] raju: So how will mythtv know to switch between the hd signal or the sd?
[16:54:00] EmergeTW: Beirdo: that is why I asked if it was true, and didnt go into #mythtv and start telling all the project dev guys that they betrayed us
[16:54:00] GeckoFiend: raju I have a 250 attached to my DTV box via svideo and a HDTV tiner connected to my antenna
[16:54:00] CyberKnet: GeckoFiend: Yeah. I tried to correct him, but .... idiocy on slashdot is what it is
[16:55:00] EmergeTW: Beirdo: how can you say that finding out that Octopi can walk on two legs is crap ?!?!?
[16:55:00] Beirdo: EmergeTW: we aren't the source, that's like asking people on slashdot to verify it
[16:55:00] Beirdo: silly
[16:55:00] GeckoFiend: raju it's simple... if ask for a channel that's high def it'll tune to it, if you ask for a stdef channel it'll tune to that
[16:55:00] Beirdo: if you want to ask the zap2it people something, go ask them
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[16:56:00] CyberKnet: hah! what a moron. has a PVR-250 and an audigy card and can't get myth working, and supposedly "tried the mailing lists". http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=149878&cid=12566296
[16:56:00] EmergeTW: Beirdo: ok, ok, but as far as I am concerned the issue is now closed, not worth wasting channel time on
[16:56:00] GeckoFiend: I can say the following with some confidence since I've talked to the TMS/zap2it folks quite a bit. There are NO plans to end the free DataDirect offering however it will not be ehnacnced beyond wht it currently offers
[16:57:00] Beirdo: it would be nice if they'd FIX it
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[16:57:00] Beirdo: auto-adding new channels is shit
[16:57:00] GeckoFiend: Beirdo yeah I agreee
[16:57:00] Beirdo: they kinda promised to allow us to disable that... like months ago
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[16:58:00] GeckoFiend: though it'll not be as big of a deal when you can manage your lineup from inside myth (for the LxMSuite folks at least).
[16:58:00] Beirdo: other than that, I like it fine the way it is
[16:58:00] Tommck: Beirdo – you could write a filter to check to see if the channels are new and ignore them... filter the DataDirect XML
[16:58:00] raju: What is DVB? I see that term thrown around a lot, I know it stands for Digital Video Broadcast
[16:58:00] GeckoFiend: hell if myth just added new channels as non-visible then gave some sort of notice...
[16:58:00] Beirdo: it will still be a big issue if you have to clean up after an auto-add
[16:58:00] Tommck: Beirdo – I mean filter the data before it gets into Mythfilldatabase
[16:58:00] Beirdo: GeckoFiend: ooh, that's a good idea
[16:59:00] Beirdo: hmm
[16:59:00] Beirdo: kinda like a news reader that will let you subscribe to new newsgroups :)
[16:59:00] Tommck: Beirdo – yeah.. wouldn't be too bad..
[17:01:00] raju: So if you take the signal from your cable box, and send it to an HD receiver, and that signal to your air2pc card, isn't it unencrypted at that point?
[17:01:00] CyberKnet: That does sound like a good idea. Some sort of indicator whether you have acknowledged the channel and want it visible.
[17:02:00] raju: Or am I sounding stupid right now? :)
[17:02:00] CyberKnet: and give you the option to delete all listings for that channel.
[17:02:00] Beirdo: if you can find a HD receiver that will transmit unencrypted HDTV out of the box, then yes, raju
[17:02:00] Beirdo: but they don't do that
[17:02:00] CyberKnet: listings and scheduled recordings.
[17:03:00] raju: So where does it get "decrypted?"
[17:03:00] raju: In the TV?
[17:03:00] Beirdo: in the HDTV box, but then you connect it to the TV with a totally different protocol
[17:03:00] Beirdo: like component out, HDMI, whatever
[17:03:00] raju: Ahhh, and that protocol, the air2pc card wouldn't recognize?
[17:03:00] Beirdo: correct
[17:03:00] raju: Makes sense
[17:03:00] CyberKnet: that protocol you cant get a capture card for.
[17:04:00] Beirdo: the air2pc is designed to demodulate over the air ATSC
[17:04:00] CyberKnet: mmmm... component in capture card
[17:04:00] Beirdo: it *might* work (with the new cards) with QAM as well
[17:04:00] Beirdo: but that's not really confirmed yet as the new cards aren't really shipping
[17:04:00] CyberKnet: but QAM will only allow you to record unencrypted channels.
[17:04:00] Beirdo: bastards
[17:04:00] CyberKnet: and HBO would almost certainly be encrypted.
[17:04:00] Beirdo: correct, and even then, it's only unencrypted QAM
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[17:05:00] ** CyberKnet lobbies air2pc for a cablecard compatible version **
[17:05:00] Beirdo: or encrypted stuff, you will need to use an HD settop box, and capture the analog output
[17:05:00] Beirdo: for rather
[17:05:00] raju: But if you capture analog output, you don't have HD anymore, right?
[17:05:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: know of any good component in capture cards with hardware encoding supported by mythtv and linux? =P"
[17:06:00] Beirdo: or you can use the firewire out of the HD settop box, which would be HD still, I think
[17:06:00] Beirdo: CyberKnet: nope
[17:06:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: isn't the firewire stream encrypted if the channel is encrypted?
[17:06:00] Beirdo: could be, not sure
[17:06:00] Beirdo: likely
[17:06:00] Beirdo: they aren't in the business of making our lives simpler
[17:07:00] raju: Ha
[17:07:00] raju: Well said
[17:07:00] Beirdo: anyways, I need to go get some lunch
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[17:07:00] Beirdo: BRB
[17:08:00] raju: I wanna help with coding for MythTV, any way that I can?
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[17:10:00] laga: raju: of course :). i'd like to have a real plugin that lets me burn my recordings to cd/dvd.
[17:10:00] raju: Hahaha
[17:11:00] raju: I've never worked on a project of this scope, but I'd like to get started
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[17:11:00] laga: raju: check the page UserWishList on mythtv.info
[17:12:00] laga: raju: i guess they have some docs about the code, too.
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[17:18:00] CyberKnet: raju: well, there are some programmers right now working on doxygen documentation in mythtv source. perhaps the doxygen documentation can help you start to understand the source.
[17:19:00] laga: CyberKnet: i'm sorry, but what's doxygen?
[17:19:00] raju: Automated documenting system, i believe
[17:19:00] raju: It goes thru the comments and generates documentation
[17:19:00] raju: If I remember correctly
[17:20:00] laga: nice.
[17:20:00] johnp_: huh, only if you don't have to put retrospective comments in :(
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[17:24:00] tcube: CyberKnet, to help on documentation project, does one has to apply somewhere?
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[17:27:00] GeckoFiend: CyberKnet I went looking for ANY card that could capture HD via component regardless of price and couldn't find one
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[17:31:00] CyberKnet: tcube: No, not at all
[17:32:00] tcube: so , how to control the quality of the document?
[17:32:00] kormoc: http://www.christide.com/~p4l/RoughGo.wmv
[17:33:00] CyberKnet: tcube: http://gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/ . . . ygen;#130460
[17:33:00] tcube: thanks ^^
[17:33:00] CyberKnet: tcube: no problem.
[17:33:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: see, that just looks NSFW =)
[17:34:00] CyberKnet: anything ending in wmv or mpg is suspicious, but RoughGo ... that just adds to it =)
[17:34:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, it's a world of warcraft video clip that's funny as hell :)
[17:35:00] kormoc: it's safe for work :)
[17:36:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: heh. I've heard that one before. then heard "Woah... what the hell... two women and a ... coke bottle??? hot damn I'm gonna be fired!"
[17:36:00] ** kormoc laughs **
[17:36:00] kormoc: nah, it's nothing like that, it just has a stupid player in it :)
[17:36:00] CyberKnet: =)
[17:36:00] kormoc: tho if you have the url of that video...
[17:36:00] ** kormoc nudges CyberKnet :P **
[17:37:00] CyberKnet: 16Mb
[17:37:00] CyberKnet: hahahahah
[17:37:00] kormoc: (joking of course :P)
[17:37:00] CyberKnet: I had one from slashdot metamod yesterday
[17:37:00] CyberKnet: I threw it out though =)
[17:37:00] CyberKnet: one comment with six links to mpeg files of ... quesitonable .. material involving multiple girls and no guys
[17:37:00] CyberKnet: moderated as "Informative"
[17:37:00] CyberKnet: heh
[17:37:00] laga: CyberKnet: it sure as hell was.
[17:38:00] CyberKnet: This post is [X] Uninformative [ ] Informative
[17:38:00] CyberKnet: laga: "Educational" would have been a better mod on that one =)
[17:38:00] laga: this post makes me [x] horny [ ] yell at my husband
[17:38:00] laga: CyberKnet: heh
[17:38:00] CyberKnet: laga: hah
[17:39:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, I bet slashdot just had a surge of metamodders :P
[17:39:00] CyberKnet: hahahahah
[17:41:00] CyberKnet: why did they follow Leeroy in there?
[17:42:00] CyberKnet: that seems rather ... stupid
[17:42:00] CyberKnet: let him die, then do the organized attack
[17:43:00] GeckoFiend: is that vid from warcraft or WoW?
[17:43:00] kormoc: WoW is World of Warcraft
[17:43:00] kormoc: so both :P
[17:44:00] GeckoFiend: heh yeah. but there are lots of folks for whom "warcraft" doens't refer to WoW so that's why I asked :-p
[17:44:00] kormoc: hehe, fair nuff :)
[17:44:00] GeckoFiend: waht sever ya'll on? I've not played in a while myself
[17:44:00] kormoc: I don't play, still stuck on muds :)
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[17:50:00] Beirdo: mmmm. mud
[17:54:00] dcfogg: hi I still have a problem with my sound :-(
[17:57:00] dcfogg: I am not able to set Capture for the Line input and if I unmute Line I have sound that wont shut down when I close Myth
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[17:59:00] dcfogg: the sound card is an audigy gamer using ALSA emu10k1
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[18:03:00] Beirdo: I think you have to do it differently for those cards, but I don't remember how
[18:03:00] Beirdo: I remember Eszenia being a dick about it, and eventually he figured it out, maybe he posted the solution onto the mailing list
[18:04:00] Beirdo: I still stand behind my advice to him though... if you can't get the card to behave, try a different card :)
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[18:08:00] dcfogg: I'll look again but I didn't find anything in a search
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[18:11:00] ** GreyFoxx needs to find a copy of SoftICE **
[18:11:00] ** Beirdo needs to find how to make PowerPoint not suck **
[18:11:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[18:12:00] ** kormoc thinks Beirdo is gonna have to work for ms for that one... **
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[18:17:00] dcfogg: well I found a few postings about the problem with the only solutions being dump the audigy or dump ALSA :-(
[18:18:00] kormoc: ooh?
[18:18:00] ** kormoc raises a eyebrow, given he's thinking of buying a audigy **
[18:19:00] Beirdo: dcfogg: there is a mixer solution
[18:19:00] Beirdo: I think
[18:20:00] Beirdo: but I don't know what it is
[18:20:00] Beirdo: it does its mixing differently than most cards apparently
[18:20:00] Beirdo: might be easiest to just not use the Audigy though
[18:20:00] dcfogg: j-rod pointed me to a page that has some options for emu10k1 but none of them enabled capture on line
[18:21:00] Beirdo: I think you have to tell it to capture further down the input mixer chain or something
[18:22:00] Beirdo: of course, I refuse to use ALSA, so I can't be terribly useful on specifics :)
[18:22:00] dcfogg: I have caputre set on Analog Mix
[18:23:00] Beirdo: sounds right. maybe
[18:23:00] Beirdo: then mute the analog mix
[18:23:00] dcfogg: still nada
[18:23:00] ** Beirdo shrugs **
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[18:24:00] Beirdo: I hope this coughing fit ends before the training I have to do
[18:24:00] kormoc: this is *cough cough* how you *cough cough* do bleh *wipe flem off the faces of the people in fromt*
[18:25:00] Beirdo: more like.. excuse me for a sec. *HACK COUGH HACX*
[18:25:00] Beirdo: OK, that's better, carrying on
[18:26:00] Beirdo: Ricola!
[18:27:00] Beirdo: Echinacea Honey-Lemon... to the rescue
[18:27:00] ** Beirdo SO hates colds **
[18:27:00] kormoc: so, recommendations on hardware mixing cards?
[18:28:00] kormoc: hardware sound mixing cards?
[18:28:00] Beirdo: not really. I use the onboard on my machines with great success
[18:28:00] Beirdo: and with OSS :)
[18:28:00] Beirdo: Hmmm
[18:28:00] Beirdo: Def Leppard w/ The Tea Party. Aug 15
[18:28:00] Beirdo: I might just have to buy a ticket for that
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[18:29:00] kormoc: I use onboard as well, but I wish I could use more the one program with sound at a time
[18:29:00] Beirdo: ahh
[18:29:00] brandon_: Am I the only one who can't get fast forward to work in mythmusic? doing so always restarts the current song, not fast forward in it..
[18:29:00] Beirdo: I use an SB Live as my second card in my fileserver
[18:29:00] Beirdo: it seems to work fine
[18:31:00] ** kormoc nods n ponders **
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[18:43:00] linagee: my m0n0wall locked up. grrr. crummy hardware
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[18:46:00] Beirdo: crummy m0nowall you mean? :)
[18:46:00] Beirdo: heh
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[18:47:00] Beirdo: gotta blame something :)
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[19:03:00] dcfogg: hello j-rod
[19:03:00] dcfogg: still haven't worked out that problem with sound from last night :-(
[19:10:00] hadees: so wait is this new http://www.lxmsuite.com thing owned by the same people that own zap2it?
[19:11:00] j-rod: dcfogg, I don't actually have a card that requires that sort of setup, so I'm afraid I can't really help
[19:11:00] j-rod: that link I gave was sent to me by someone else who said it helped them
[19:11:00] j-rod: audigy cards are notorious for having issues w/capture, it would seem
[19:11:00] j-rod: hadees, no
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[19:12:00] j-rod: the lxmsuite folks license services from zap2it's parent company, tribune media services
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[19:19:00] jason__: i'm getting this erorr- mythfrontend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.18.so.0: cannotopen shared object file: No such file or directory. The only problem is that libmythtv-0.18.so.0 exists in /usr/local/lib
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[19:20:00] smeagel: jason permissions?
[19:20:00] laga: jason__: did you run ldconfig? is /usr/local/bin/ in /etc/ld.so.conf?
[19:20:00] smeagel: run "ls -la /usr/local/lib | grep libmythtv"
[19:21:00] ** jason__ cowers in shame. I forgot to edit /etc/ld.so.conf **
[19:22:00] smeagel: hah
[19:22:00] laga: hehe
[19:22:00] jason__: thanks
[19:23:00] groepaz: mmmh can anyone tell me where scantv gets his input from? i always get "invalid value for input: television" (it should be Tuner 1)
[19:25:00] kormoc: tuner 1 television input, no?
[19:25:00] kormoc: or you perfer composite or svideo?
[19:25:00] Beirdo: well, I gotta setup for training
[19:25:00] groepaz: i want television
[19:26:00] groepaz: invalid value for input: television
[19:26:00] groepaz: valid choices for "input": "S-Video 0", "S-Video 1", "Composite 0", "Composite 1", "Composite 2", "Composite 3", "Tuner 0", "Tuner 1"
[19:26:00] groepaz: thats the full error
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[19:26:00] kormoc: you don't have it setup in mythsetup correctly then
[19:26:00] Esotericisms: hey j-rod, I am about to take out my nvidia agp card and put in a radeon with s-video out ... anything I need to do to make it work pretty?
[19:26:00] ** kormoc waves to Beirdo **
[19:26:00] kormoc: gluck
[19:26:00] groepaz: kormoc: what does scantv have to do with mythsetup ?
[19:27:00] kormoc: ooh, I thought you were talking bout myth's setup
[19:27:00] kormoc: sorry
[19:28:00] groepaz: mythtv is a totally different weirdness here....but i think those two are related somehow :)
[19:28:00] groepaz: i had a picture and sound right after installing....then after i initialized and configured the database everything works fine, except for picture and sound :=P
[19:30:00] groepaz: 2005-05–18 20:03:31.974 NVR: Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back
[19:30:00] groepaz:
[19:30:00] groepaz:
[19:30:00] groepaz: thats what mythbackend tells me
[19:31:00] groepaz: its not a driver problem, since a) it worked before and b) i can still watch tv by cat /dev/video | mplayer -
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[19:31:00] ** groepaz is so confused :/ **
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[19:33:00] j-rod: Eso, why on earth would you pull an nVidia card in favor of a Radeon?!?...
[19:36:00] dcfogg: j-rod, I still can't get capture to work on the Line input :-(
[19:40:00] GeckoFiend: Esotericisms baaaaaaaaaad idea
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[19:41:00] dcfogg: that page you sent me to last nignt says I don't have to set capture but it still doesn't work
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[19:53:00] laga: Democritus2: why is your part message 'fucking wank'? ;)
[19:53:00] Democritus2: laga you were in #mythtv ?
[19:54:00] Democritus2: sounded good at the time
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[19:54:00] laga: Democritus2: ;)
[19:54:00] Democritus2: i guess i should edit it, i am used to going into channels were cursing is not an issue
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[19:55:00] laga: dunno if its an issue, i was just wondering ;)
[19:55:00] Democritus2: sigh, well wish me luck I am off to delve into mythtv- i had set it up years ago, and i remember having similar problems, I am going to go through howto in a minute. typical stuff- crappy picture, no sound, etc
[19:55:00] laga: hehe
[19:55:00] laga: hf
[19:56:00] Esotericisms: hey everyone ... I have a Sapphire Radeon 7000 64MB DDR with s-video out .. but it isn't working ... can somone help
[19:56:00] laga: buy nvidia
[19:56:00] ** laga hides **
[19:56:00] Democritus2: nvidia owns your socks
[19:56:00] Esotericisms: couldn't afford it ..
[19:57:00] Esotericisms: nvidia rocks
[19:57:00] Esotericisms: I will admit
[19:57:00] laga: well, you get what you pay for. i dont use ati, so i cant give any help.
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[19:57:00] Esotericisms: I couldn't pass up $30 for this card ... when all the nvidia's were $80 plus
[19:57:00] laga: $80? wtf do you live?
[19:59:00] Esotericisms: in th us :)
[19:59:00] Esotericisms: that was online ... I looked everywhere, maybe I didn't look hard enough
[19:59:00] laga: bestbuy?
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[20:00:00] Ashlar: look for nvidia clones / rebrands.. pny geforce4 $40 last week
[20:00:00] Esotericisms: ok that is beside the point ... I have a ati at this point ... can anyone help?
[20:01:00] laga: Ashlar: nvidia makes/sells the chipsets. it's very unlikely that you'll find a card in the market that was actually manufactured by nvidia.
[20:02:00] Ashlar: eh, true enough, but my nvidia card and my pny card are exactly the same except for fcc id, color of card, and one connector missing on pny card
[20:03:00] dcfogg: Esotericisms, did you try the gatos drivers????
[20:03:00] Esotericisms: no ... I was trying to find a howto or faq for ati on fedora
[20:03:00] Esotericisms: gatos drivers you say ... going to look
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[20:04:00] laga: Ashlar: nvidia has a reference design.
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[20:04:00] Esotericisms: Ashlar, where do I get good
[20:06:00] Ashlar: Esotericisms: I saw the card on sale at Fry's (outpost.com is their online store)
[20:06:00] dcfogg: does anyone know how I can set the sound on an audigy with ALSA emu10k1 for MythTV????
[20:07:00] Esotericisms: great cool ... thanks ... but I have an ATI ... I need help getting the s-video out ...
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[20:12:00] Esotericisms: please .. can anyone help
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[20:14:00] kormoc: Esotericisms, did you look at what the drivers documentation says?
[20:15:00] Esotericisms: what driver documentation ... ati doesn't make linux drivers that I know of ... do they?
[20:16:00] GreyFoxx: ugh
[20:16:00] Esotericisms: I take the back ... maybe they do
[20:16:00] kormoc: yes, they do
[20:16:00] dcfogg: Esotericisms, yes they do
[20:16:00] laga: they do, but probably not for 7000, dunno
[20:16:00] kormoc: well, you'd have to read the documentation for whatever driver you are using.
[20:17:00] Esotericisms: yeah I am going to download the drivers from ATI right now ... how do I find out what xfree86 version I am running>
[20:17:00] dcfogg: the gatos drivers have TV out
[20:18:00] kormoc: startx — -version
[20:18:00] Esotericisms: dcfogg, where can I get those?
[20:18:00] dcfogg: source forge
[20:18:00] Esotericisms: k
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[20:21:00] dcfogg: unfortunatly the gatos drivers for AIW are not compatable with MythTV
[20:24:00] Esotericisms: AIW??
[20:24:00] dcfogg: the All in Wonder Tv cards
[20:25:00] Esotericisms: ok ... well I am not using a AIW
[20:26:00] dcfogg: now about sound with an audigy and ALSA emu10k1 ........Can anyone help???
[20:28:00] Esotericisms: so you are suggestion I install gatos over the ati drivers?
[20:28:00] dcfogg: what kind of ATI is it???
[20:28:00] Esotericisms: 7000
[20:29:00] Esotericisms: ATI Radeon 7000
[20:29:00] dcfogg: there should be some info on the home page of the drivers about TV out
[20:29:00] Esotericisms: ok
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[20:44:00] GeckoFiend: dcfogg what exactly is your problem with the emu10k1? Just turn on oss emulation and go
[20:45:00] dcfogg: oss emulation is on and I can't set the Line input for capture
[20:45:00] dcfogg: the oss emulation drivers are loaded
[20:45:00] GeckoFiend: ahhhh cpature. that I have no idea about. I don't use frmaegrabbers
[20:46:00] GeckoFiend: tried a different card?
[20:46:00] dcfogg: not in the budget
[20:47:00] dcfogg: different sound card or capture card????
[20:48:00] dcfogg: because those PVR cards are pricey at CompUSA
[20:54:00] BobJensen: dcfogg: Pricey? I thought the PVR-150 cards for $60 were pritty cheap
[20:54:00] dcfogg: if I have it set up to use ALSA should I turn off oss???
[20:54:00] BobJensen: pretty
[20:54:00] dcfogg: they were more than that here in Jersey
[20:55:00] BobJensen: dcfogg: yeah I forgot I am waiting on rebate money
[20:56:00] dcfogg: BobJensen, lol I always am terrible at rebates anyway
[20:56:00] BobJensen: dcfogg: same here, My wife deals with them
[20:57:00] dcfogg: I am using a winTV go with an audigy
[20:57:00] m1ke: 100gb laptop drive for $250
[20:57:00] dcfogg: it doesn't seem like a good combo
[20:58:00] m1ke: hmm wrong window
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[20:58:00] Esotericisms: damn ... dcfogg, I have to remove my current Xorg to get it working gatos installed with xorg
[20:58:00] Esotericisms: :/
[20:59:00] BobJensen: dcfogg: I have three PVR150 cards and a TVwonder
[21:01:00] dcfogg: I have a TV wonder but I couldn't get it to work
[21:02:00] Esotericisms: damn ..
[21:02:00] Esotericisms: maybe I will try ati's drivers first
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[21:06:00] Esotericisms: j-rod, you around?
[21:08:00] CyberKnet: *buhrp*
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[21:16:00] dcfogg: so almost all the Star Wars for tonight are already sold out
[21:17:00] dcfogg: finally found some available tickets for 12:30
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[21:32:00] mirak_: hi
[21:32:00] mirak_: what player does mythtv uses ?
[21:34:00] Beirdo: it uses mythtv
[21:34:00] Beirdo: OK, training session #1 complete
[21:35:00] Beirdo: public speaking when you have a bad cough is annoying
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[21:37:00] Esotericisms: what files does the initrd kernel line exist in?
[21:38:00] Beirdo: huh?
[21:38:00] Esotericisms: maybe I am thinking debian ...
[21:38:00] Esotericisms: I am just trying to get my ATI s-video out working
[21:39:00] Esotericisms: everyone on the fedora channel is saying that the latest drivers only work with 2.6.10
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[21:39:00] Esotericisms: andI have 2.6.11–1.14_FC3
[21:40:00] Beirdo: sounds like yer being an idiot then
[21:40:00] Esotericisms: Beirdo, could you help me get it installed?
[21:40:00] Esotericisms: why?
[21:40:00] Beirdo: if everyone tells you it works with 2.6.10 ONLY, why the hell do you think you can get it working with 2.6.11?
[21:40:00] Esotericisms: exactly ... I am trying to revert back to 2.6.10
[21:40:00] Esotericisms: I am using an initrd kernel right now ...
[21:41:00] BobJensen: Esotericisms: I will help in about 10 minutes
[21:41:00] Esotericisms: I should be able to remove the line in "unamed file" to stop using the initrd kernel
[21:41:00] Esotericisms: k
[21:41:00] Beirdo: and I can't really help you with that right now. There's this little thing called "work"
[21:41:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:41:00] Esotericisms: yeah I know that to
[21:42:00] kormoc: it seems like very few people understand work in here :P
[21:42:00] Beirdo: either /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/grub.conf, likley
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[21:42:00] BobJensen: Work is over rated
[21:42:00] Esotericisms: oh yeah .. it looks like I have three kernels right now ...
[21:43:00] Esotericisms: by second kernel is 2.6.10–1.770_14.rhfc3.at
[21:43:00] BobJensen: Esotericisms: you are going to hate me...
[21:43:00] kormoc: but?
[21:44:00] Esotericisms: why?
[21:44:00] BobJensen: 2.6.10–1.770_14.rhfc3.at <-- Why on earth?
[21:44:00] Esotericisms: idk it is what came with fedora core 3 when I installed
[21:44:00] BobJensen: BS
[21:44:00] Esotericisms: I didn't install it
[21:44:00] Esotericisms: manually or anything ...
[21:44:00] Beirdo: sure you did
[21:44:00] BobJensen: it came from ATrpms
[21:45:00] kormoc: hence the .at on the end...
[21:45:00] Beirdo: if you followd Jarod's guid, you likely did it then
[21:45:00] Esotericisms: ok then I did it
[21:45:00] BobJensen: Esotericisms: My suggestion to you at this point is to track down Axel or reinstall
[21:46:00] Esotericisms: how do I track down Axel?
[21:46:00] j-rod: why do people suggest reinstalling?!?
[21:46:00] j-rod: assinine
[21:46:00] Esotericisms: j-rod, HELP!
[21:46:00] kormoc: yeah...
[21:46:00] Esotericisms: please
[21:46:00] BobJensen: I can/will not help you
[21:46:00] j-rod: you NEVER need to reinstall
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[21:46:00] j-rod: :)
[21:46:00] kormoc: j-rod, well, the thing is
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[21:46:00] Beirdo: BobJensen: then gettest thou bent :)
[21:46:00] j-rod: unless you're changing from one distro to another
[21:46:00] BobJensen: To clean up Axel's mess that is one of the only solutions at times
[21:46:00] kormoc: there is a point in where the system is so screwed up that it's easier for a newbie to just reinstall
[21:46:00] j-rod: horse shit
[21:46:00] Beirdo: bah
[21:47:00] dcfogg: yes j-rod help
[21:47:00] j-rod: :)
[21:47:00] kormoc: nah, it's true
[21:47:00] j-rod: sorry, kormoc, was saying horse shit to reinstall being the only solution
[21:47:00] BobJensen: He is all your's j-rod
[21:47:00] j-rod: true, sometimes its easier to reinstall
[21:47:00] kormoc: like when my one friend, he tried to install every single rpm on rpmfinder, for every arch
[21:47:00] j-rod: :)
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[21:47:00] Beirdo: kormoc: well that's just stoooopid :)(
[21:48:00] dcfogg: still having trouble with sound :-(
[21:48:00] Esotericisms: alright ... j-rod, here is my problem ... I have an ATI Radeon 7000 with s-video out (for my tv) ...
[21:48:00] kormoc: Beirdo, yeah, I bitched him out a lot for that :)
[21:48:00] Esotericisms: I need to get the s-video out working
[21:48:00] j-rod: Eso, just edit /etc/grub.conf, change default=0 to default=1, you'll be booting the 2.6.10 kernel
[21:48:00] Esotericisms: ok
[21:48:00] j-rod: Axel's kernel will work just as well as FC's 2.6.10 kernel
[21:48:00] BobJensen: Esotericisms: what do you get when you '$ cat /etc/fedora-release'
[21:49:00] Esotericisms: j-rod, already changed my default
[21:49:00] j-rod: if I had the time, I would just shell into every system people claimed was broken and fix it...
[21:49:00] Beirdo: and then charge em $500 apiece
[21:50:00] j-rod: sounds reasonable to me!
[21:50:00] Esotericisms: BobJensen, Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg)
[21:50:00] kormoc: booya!
[21:50:00] kormoc: I'd do that too!
[21:51:00] Esotericisms: damn j-rod, I am getting dependency issue when I try and install fglrz
[21:51:00] Esotericisms: fglrx*
[21:51:00] kormoc: yay for rpms...
[21:51:00] ** kormoc gags **
[21:51:00] j-rod: dependencies are a GOOD THING
[21:51:00] Esotericisms: failed: libstdc++, libstdc++(CXXABI_1.2), libstdc++(GLIBCPP_3.2)
[21:51:00] j-rod: prevents you from installing something without putting in things it needs
[21:51:00] kormoc: yeah, but I'd perfer it to be smarter about it :P
[21:51:00] Esotericisms: but when I do 'apt-get install libstdc++', it says it is already installed
[21:52:00] j-rod: well, thats what apt and yum are fo
[21:52:00] Beirdo: so install libstdc++
[21:52:00] Beirdo: move along...
[21:52:00] kormoc: apt hasn't impressed myself too much yet.
[21:52:00] j-rod: might need apt-get install compat-libstdc++
[21:52:00] Esotericisms: let me try
[21:52:00] mirak_: Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[21:52:00] mirak_: I get this error
[21:52:00] kormoc: does it work?
[21:52:00] mirak_: I guess it comes from a bad mysql auth
[21:52:00] j-rod: conversely, portage never excited me much. :)
[21:53:00] mirak_: ?
[21:53:00] kormoc: mirak, does the backend work?
[21:53:00] kormoc: j-rod, fair nuff :)
[21:53:00] mirak_: kormoc: no it says me this when I try to start it
[21:53:00] kormoc: j-rod, it's just odd how many issues I have with apt over a single update
[21:53:00] mirak_: I do that /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start and get the above error
[21:53:00] j-rod: actually, I think portage is pretty cool
[21:53:00] kormoc: mirak_, yeah, mine says the same thing, and it works fine, so I just ignore it
[21:53:00] j-rod: just being an ass
[21:53:00] j-rod: :)
[21:54:00] Esotericisms: file /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 from install of fglrx_6_8_0–8.12.10–1 conflicts with file from package xorg-x11-Mesa-libGL-6.8.2–1.FC3.13_2.rhfc3.at
[21:54:00] mirak_: kormoc: mine doesn't start aat all
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[21:54:00] j-rod: portage and apt both do the dep res thing fine for me
[21:54:00] mirak_: I am on ubuntu
[21:54:00] BobJensen: heh
[21:54:00] kormoc: j-rod, I had a issue with rsnapshot's rpm being dead, so it installed the new broken one, and stoped halfway, breaking the currently installed one and didn't remove the old rpm so then it complained bout it every time I use apt.
[21:54:00] j-rod: Eso, rpm -e xorg-x11-Mesa-libGL
[21:54:00] kormoc: mirak_, what's the mythbackend logs say?
[21:54:00] j-rod: ATI replaces the mesa opengl stuff with their own
[21:55:00] Esotericisms: j-rod, K
[21:55:00] Esotericisms: sweet ... now to restart xorg right?
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[21:55:00] j-rod: no
[21:55:00] Esotericisms: k
[21:55:00] j-rod: you still need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:56:00] Esotericisms: hold on ... just got an error
[21:56:00] j-rod: however, I have no idea what edits to make
[21:56:00] Esotericisms: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.10–1.770_14.rhfc3.at/kernel/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): No such device
[21:56:00] Beirdo: run their config program
[21:57:00] ** j-rod bitch-slaps ATI **
[21:58:00] j-rod: kormoc, that's not so good... I've seen an occasional rpm db wedging that apt doesn't handle well, but that's a new one to me
[21:58:00] ** Beirdo is pretty sure it's pebcak **
[21:58:00] Beirdo: how people can not read documentation I dunno :)
[21:58:00] ** j-rod always considers that as a distinct possibility **
[21:58:00] dcfogg: j-rod, I looked at that page you refered me to last night and got nowhere
[21:59:00] dcfogg: any other suggestions???
[21:59:00] j-rod: like I said, I have no clue, I don't use such a setup myself
[21:59:00] mirak_: kormoc: this get better, I fixed the rights
[21:59:00] mirak_: now I have a login problem
[21:59:00] Esotericisms: I wonder what their config program is
[21:59:00] mirak_: QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[21:59:00] mirak_: Database error was:
[21:59:00] mirak_: Acc
[21:59:00] mirak_: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[21:59:00] Beirdo: fgrlxconfig
[21:59:00] Beirdo: or whatever
[21:59:00] j-rod: Eso, read their does
[21:59:00] Beirdo: I'm sure I typoed that
[21:59:00] Beirdo: RTFM
[21:59:00] mirak_: ATI is a pain on linux
[21:59:00] j-rod: and I was just gonna say fglrxconfig
[21:59:00] kormoc: mirak, edit the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt for the user that mythbackend is being run as
[22:00:00] j-rod: meeting time, folks, bbiaw
[22:00:00] ** kormoc waves **
[22:00:00] ** j-rod strolls off into the sunset... **
[22:00:00] mirak_: kormoc: the file is in /etc/mythtv/
[22:01:00] mirak_: so what must I do ?
[22:01:00] kormoc: edit it and set the user and password?
[22:01:00] mirak_: it's a pain
[22:01:00] Esotericisms: NTSC-N or NTSC-M
[22:02:00] kormoc: and I was sure that .18 checks the user's home dir for mysql.txt before the global one, no?
[22:02:00] Beirdo: -M I think
[22:02:00] Beirdo: Paper or plastic?
[22:03:00] mirak_: kormoc: they are good !
[22:03:00] Esotericisms: lol
[22:03:00] mirak_: DBHostName=localhost
[22:03:00] mirak_: DBUserName=mythtv
[22:03:00] mirak_: DBName=mythconverg
[22:03:00] mirak_: DBPassword=KXh4afui
[22:03:00] kormoc: mirak, check /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt?
[22:03:00] mirak_: kormoc: it doesn't exist
[22:04:00] mirak_: it's debian/ubuntu
[22:04:00] mirak_: hum
[22:04:00] mirak_: no it doesn't
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[22:05:00] kormoc: oddness
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[22:07:00] Esotericisms: ok ... ran their config ... time to restart xorg
[22:07:00] Beirdo: not so fast
[22:08:00] Esotericisms: alright
[22:08:00] Esotericisms: what did I forget now
[22:08:00] Beirdo: did you have your svideo plugged in when you turned the computer on?
[22:08:00] Esotericisms: yes
[22:08:00] Beirdo: OK, you should be good to go then
[22:08:00] Beirdo: the card detects that
[22:08:00] Esotericisms: ok
[22:08:00] Beirdo: to do Xv output onto the svideo, you need to edit the config
[22:09:00] Esotericisms: ?
[22:09:00] Beirdo: and make STV the primary display rather than AUTO or CRT
[22:09:00] Esotericisms: Xv output?
[22:09:00] Esotericisms: in the config file?
[22:09:00] Beirdo: yes
[22:09:00] kormoc: shocking I know
[22:09:00] Esotericisms: alright ... let me open xorg.conf really quick
[22:10:00] Esotericisms: see if I can find those options
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[22:10:00] Esotericisms: alright, I have no idea what I am doign with the xorg.conf ...
[22:12:00] Beirdo: find the Option "MonitorLayout" line
[22:12:00] Esotericisms: Beiok
[22:12:00] Esotericisms: doh!
[22:12:00] Esotericisms: ok
[22:12:00] Esotericisms: found it
[22:12:00] Esotericisms: it says AUTO, AUTO
[22:12:00] Beirdo: change it to STV, CRT
[22:12:00] mirak_: what is the default password for mythtv mysql ?
[22:12:00] Esotericisms: ok
[22:13:00] Esotericisms: there isn't one ... mirak, you have to create a user
[22:13:00] Beirdo: sure there is
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[22:13:00] Beirdo: it's mythtv
[22:13:00] Beirdo: and the config file you run creates it
[22:13:00] mirak_: Esotericisms: there is already a user
[22:13:00] mirak_: Beirdo: first time yes, but now not
[22:13:00] Esotericisms: didn't know that
[22:14:00] mirak_: I apt-get remove --purge mythtv
[22:14:00] Esotericisms: I thought I had to create mine ... :/
[22:14:00] mirak_: and mysql
[22:14:00] mirak_: because the install failed the first time
[22:14:00] Esotericisms: so Beirdo, is that the only line I needed to change?
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[22:14:00] Beirdo: Esotericisms: I think so
[22:14:00] mirak_: I think I just need to reset a password
[22:14:00] Esotericisms: ok
[22:14:00] Esotericisms: how do I restart xorg?
[22:14:00] Beirdo: kill it
[22:14:00] Beirdo: and restart it
[22:14:00] Esotericisms: without doing <CTRL><ALT><BACKSPACE>
[22:14:00] Beirdo: duh
[22:14:00] Esotericisms: alright
[22:15:00] mirak_: Beirdo: do you know how to change the password ?
[22:15:00] kormoc: exit out of your wm?
[22:15:00] mirak_: for a user
[22:15:00] mirak_: of mysql
[22:15:00] Beirdo: yeah, you go read the documentation for mysql :)
[22:15:00] mirak_: arghhh
[22:15:00] mirak_: no I don't want :)
[22:15:00] Esotericisms: all I get is wavy lines on my tv
[22:15:00] Esotericisms: dark wavy-jittry lines
[22:16:00] dcfogg: look at the xorg log file
[22:16:00] Bob-Laptop: mirak_: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/passwords.html
[22:17:00] Esotericisms: http://pastebin.ca/12100
[22:17:00] Beirdo: so fix the line it bitches about
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[22:18:00] Beirdo: you probably left off the "" on the line you changed or something
[22:19:00] Esotericisms: probably .. if can get my box to let me shell back in I will fix it
[22:20:00] ** Beirdo reaches for the trout **
[22:20:00] Beirdo: first thing to do...
[22:20:00] Beirdo: STOP booting into X
[22:20:00] Beirdo: CTRL-ALT-F1
[22:20:00] Beirdo: login to the console
[22:21:00] Beirdo: then go change your default run level until you have X working right :)
[22:21:00] Esotericisms: hold on ...
[22:21:00] Esotericisms: will f1 terminal not work through svideo?
[22:21:00] Beirdo: it should, I think
[22:22:00] Esotericisms: cause the text is racing
[22:22:00] Beirdo: so ssh to it from elsewhere
[22:23:00] Esotericisms: nope the " " are there on that line ... the error is somewhere else
[22:23:00] mirak_: the password that is in mysql.txt
[22:23:00] mirak_: is it plain or crypted ?
[22:24:00] Esotericisms: Beirdo, line 488 is the last line in the file
[22:24:00] ** Beirdo shrugs **
[22:24:00] Beirdo: I dunno
[22:24:00] mirak_: damn it's already the good password
[22:24:00] Beirdo: your file is bad somehow
[22:25:00] Esotericisms: damnit
[22:25:00] dcfogg: drop the database and redo it
[22:25:00] Esotericisms: shit
[22:25:00] Beirdo: Esotericisms: what?
[22:25:00] dcfogg: doenst take a long time
[22:26:00] Esotericisms: I am trying to make it work ... just can't get it ... frustrating
[22:27:00] Esotericisms: I am not sure my tv likes my video card ... everything just keeps on scolling horizontally
[22:27:00] Esotericisms: er..vertically
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[22:28:00] Beirdo: what resolution?
[22:28:00] kormoc: what res are you tring to output to the tv?
[22:28:00] Esotericisms: 800x600
[22:28:00] kormoc: try 640x480
[22:28:00] Esotericisms: ok
[22:28:00] Beirdo: nah
[22:28:00] kormoc: nah?
[22:28:00] Beirdo: make sure that the timings are OK first
[22:29:00] kormoc: I know my tv couldn't do 800x600 at all, had to drop it down, but it was a old one
[22:29:00] Esotericisms: timings?
[22:29:00] Beirdo: my TV likes 1024x768 just fine
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[22:30:00] Esotericisms: well everything just scrolls vertically even in <CTRL><ALT><F1>
[22:30:00] Beirdo: http://www2.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/files/XF86Config-4
[22:30:00] Beirdo: that's what I use on my PVR with XFree86
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[22:31:00] Esotericisms: hrm ..
[22:31:00] mirak_: Database error was:
[22:31:00] mirak_: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[22:31:00] Esotericisms: ok
[22:31:00] mirak_: I do't undersatnd
[22:31:00] mirak_: understand
[22:31:00] mirak_: password is good
[22:31:00] Esotericisms: Beirdo, how do I know the horizontal, vertical rates of my tv?
[22:31:00] mirak_: I can log to the database
[22:32:00] Beirdo: ummm, NTSC specs?
[22:32:00] kormoc: mirak_, with mythsql -u mythtv -p?
[22:32:00] Esotericisms: which are?
[22:32:00] Esotericisms: what you have in yours?
[22:32:00] Beirdo: findable by google :)
[22:32:00] Beirdo: I run mine with a margin around the specs
[22:32:00] [Klatuu]: grrr
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[22:32:00] ** [Klatuu] gets mad **
[22:33:00] mirak_: kormoc: yes, this works
[22:33:00] Beirdo: nominally, somewhere around 32kHz horizontal, 60Hz vertical, I think
[22:33:00] [Klatuu]: I found a PVR-500 for $139 locally
[22:33:00] Bob-Laptop: [Klatuu]: why mad? buy it?
[22:34:00] [Klatuu]: because I paid $155 for the one I have now
[22:34:00] Beirdo: bitch bitch bitch
[22:34:00] kormoc: you know
[22:34:00] Bob-Laptop: [Klatuu]: and you can't use 2?
[22:34:00] kormoc: I bought a monitor for $200 like 5 years ago
[22:34:00] Esotericisms: how do I start xorg?
[22:34:00] kormoc: and now they are like $25
[22:34:00] [Klatuu]: that would take up like 4 slots
[22:34:00] kormoc: gah, I got jyped!
[22:34:00] Beirdo: huh?
[22:35:00] Beirdo: how would it take up 4 slots?
[22:35:00] [Klatuu]: I need the extra breakout cables for S-video
[22:35:00] [Klatuu]: 2 PVR-500's
[22:35:00] [Klatuu]: 2 breakout cables
[22:35:00] [Klatuu]: 4 slot
[22:35:00] [Klatuu]: s
[22:35:00] Esotericisms: how do I start xorg?
[22:35:00] Bob-Laptop: Esotericisms: startx
[22:35:00] [Klatuu]: I don't use the RF tuners
[22:35:00] Beirdo: keep on asking, Esotericisms... I'm sure someone will answer
[22:36:00] Esotericisms: damn ... the file is still bad
[22:36:00] Esotericisms: shit
[22:36:00] ** Beirdo slaps Esotericisms with the trout **
[22:36:00] Esotericisms: I am screwed
[22:36:00] Beirdo: you are likely missing a " somewhere or something
[22:36:00] Esotericisms: except I have no idea where
[22:37:00] Beirdo: somewhere in the Section "Device"
[22:37:00] Beirdo: read yer error messages.
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[22:38:00] Beirdo: after the Section "Device" line, there is an error somewhere that causes the EndSection line not to be parsed
[22:38:00] Beirdo: likely a missing quote
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[22:38:00] mirak_: help
[22:39:00] [Klatuu]: help?
[22:39:00] kormoc: he's drowning!
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[22:41:00] Esotericisms: http://pastebin.ca/12103
[22:41:00] Esotericisms: nah it didn't have "EndSection"
[22:41:00] Esotericisms: I fixed that ... another error now
[22:41:00] Bob-Laptop: Oh goody
[22:42:00] Esotericisms: Bob-Laptop, j-rod, Beirdo, any thoughts?
[22:42:00] Beirdo: looks like either fgrlxconfig created a crap file, or you butchered it
[22:42:00] mirak_: show tables; says me the table is created
[22:42:00] Beirdo: anyways, I gotta go
[22:42:00] Bob-Laptop: Beirdo: or both?
[22:42:00] Esotericisms: damnit!
[22:42:00] Esotericisms: I just want this pos to work :/
[22:42:00] Esotericisms: :(
[22:43:00] Esotericisms: why do things have to be so difficult for me ...
[22:43:00] Bob-Laptop: Esotericisms: can you paste your xorg.conf to http://rafb.net/paste/
[22:43:00] Beirdo: or to pastebin.ca which is much more civilized :)
[22:43:00] Beirdo: anyways, I gotta go
[22:43:00] Bob-Laptop: Later Beirdo
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[22:44:00] Esotericisms: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rnUbh291.html
[22:44:00] Bob-Laptop: Esotericisms: I will take a look
[22:45:00] Esotericisms: ok
[22:45:00] dcfogg: later Beirdo
[22:45:00] mirak_: Database error was:
[22:45:00] mirak_: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[22:45:00] mirak_: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[22:45:00] mirak_: Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
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[22:45:00] mirak_: hemm so what protocol shuld I use ???
[22:45:00] Bob-Laptop: Esotericisms: BTW what is the current error?
[22:47:00] Esotericisms: http://pastebin.ca/12103
[22:48:00] Bob-Laptop: Well it is a valid error, You do not have a "screen" section that I can find
[22:49:00] Esotericisms: alright ... so what can I do to correct the error so that I can use s-video out?
[22:50:00] Bob-Laptop: Esotericisms: I have not encountered such a situation before
[22:50:00] Bob-Laptop: Esotericisms: I would look at the ATi documentation
[22:51:00] Bob-Laptop: and see if it offers any help
[22:52:00] Esotericisms: can I just use xorg's config tool to set it all up?
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[22:52:00] Bob-Laptop: perhaps, or you could try the redhat tool, back up what you have first
[22:52:00] SarahEmm: hihihihi
[22:53:00] Esotericisms: how do I run it?
[22:53:00] Bob-Laptop: Esotericisms: have you backed up?
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[22:53:00] Bob-Laptop: Esotericisms: system-config-display
[22:54:00] Esotericisms: yes
[22:54:00] Esotericisms: damnit ... I always looks connection to the box
[22:54:00] kormoc: http://forums.etfgame.com/showthread.php?t=1625
[22:54:00] Flimzy: Is the GeForce FX 5700 "Personal Cinema" card worth a hoot?
[22:55:00] Flimzy: Is it generally better to get a stand-alone tuner card?
[22:56:00] Bob-Laptop: Flimzy: My opinions are not popular but I would go with a stand-alone
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[22:56:00] kormoc: I don't think it works under linux yet, does it?
[22:56:00] kormoc: (the tuner part that is)
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[22:58:00] Flimzy: kormoc: I have no idea.
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[22:59:00] Esotericisms: I don't know what to do ...
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[22:59:00] Bob-Laptop: Esotericisms: I never install ANYTHING from ATrpms other than mythTV stuff
[23:00:00] Esotericisms: alright , but what does that have to do with me?
[23:00:00] Esotericisms: I downloaded that rpm install file from ATI
[23:01:00] Bob-Laptop: Esotericisms: You are using an at kernel, and who knows what else
[23:01:00] mirak_: helppppppppppppppp
[23:01:00] mirak_: I am dyinggggggggg
[23:01:00] mirak_: lol
[23:02:00] Bob-Laptop: Esotericisms: Axel Thimm has a habit, from what I have seen, of replacing base Core packages with his own that may cause all kinds of incompatibilities
[23:02:00] mirak_: can I talk to a dev or something ?
[23:03:00] SarahEmm: a dev?
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[23:03:00] mirak_: developper
[23:03:00] SarahEmm: what's the issue mirak?
[23:03:00] SarahEmm: i know :P
[23:03:00] mirak_: in a developper channel
[23:03:00] SarahEmm: just wondering why a dev
[23:04:00] SarahEmm: this isn't the developer channel...
[23:04:00] mirak_: I know
[23:04:00] mirak_: the issue is I can't run the backend
[23:04:00] SarahEmm: okay...
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[23:04:00] SarahEmm: what's the error?
[23:04:00] mirak_: Couldn't open database
[23:04:00] mirak_: 2005-05–18 23:48:30.581 Unable to connect to database!
[23:04:00] mirak_: 2005-05–18 23:48:30.641 Driver error was [1/1045]:
[23:04:00] mirak_: QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[23:04:00] mirak_: Database error was:
[23:04:00] mirak_: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[23:04:00] mirak_: Couldn't open database
[23:05:00] iggy: seems pretty easy to me
[23:05:00] iggy: your mythtv user can't connect to mysql
[23:05:00] SarahEmm: okay..
[23:05:00] SarahEmm: that's not a developer issue
[23:05:00] iggy: fix that and it'll all fall into place
[23:05:00] Esotericisms: I am so frustrated right now ..
[23:05:00] Esotericisms: wish j-rod was around
[23:05:00] SarahEmm: you need to grant access for mythtv@localhost to access the mythconverg database
[23:06:00] mirak_: iggy: I fixed it !
[23:06:00] mirak_: iggy: I can logon manually to mysql
[23:06:00] SarahEmm: what command line are you using to log in manually?
[23:06:00] mirak_: with mythtv user and password found in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[23:07:00] SarahEmm: mirak: what command line are you using?
[23:07:00] mirak_: mysql -b mythconverg -u mythtv --password=KXh4afui
[23:07:00] SarahEmm: -b ?
[23:08:00] iggy: I'd say something doesn't match between that and your mysql.txt
[23:08:00] SarahEmm: i don't have that option in my mysql..
[23:08:00] SarahEmm: what is -b?
[23:08:00] SarahEmm: n/m i see it
[23:08:00] SarahEmm: 'don't beep' heh
[23:08:00] kormoc: doo-wah ditty ditty dum ditty doo
[23:08:00] SarahEmm: once you've done that, mirak, type this:
[23:08:00] SarahEmm: \u mythconverg
[23:08:00] SarahEmm: err, n/m
[23:09:00] Bob-Laptop: Esotericisms: I am working an alternate FC Howto that uses yum and does not rely so much on ATrpms
[23:09:00] SarahEmm: *thinks*
[23:09:00] SarahEmm: mirak: what GRANT line did you use?
[23:09:00] mirak_: SarahEmm: I didn't not use a grant line
[23:09:00] mirak_: did not
[23:09:00] ** kormoc smacks his head, doh **
[23:09:00] Esotericisms: ok
[23:10:00] Esotericisms: Bob-Laptop, I got the config file working ... but my tv is all wavy and messed up
[23:10:00] Bob-Laptop: Esotericisms: I had a few issues with my installs so I "AM" starting over
[23:10:00] SarahEmm: mirak: try adding -h <ip of machine>
[23:10:00] SarahEmm: to make it connect via tcp instead of unix sockets
[23:10:00] kormoc: mirak_, so let me get this stright, you didn't give the use any rights, like the install docs said to, and you wonder why it's not allowing access?
[23:10:00] iggy: SarahEmm: ooh, good call
[23:10:00] SarahEmm: because it may be accepting via sockets but not TCP
[23:10:00] SarahEmm: iggy: heh :)
[23:11:00] kormoc: SarahEmm, yeah, that is a grand call.
[23:11:00] Bob-Laptop: Esotericisms: I do not own any more ATi cards, so I can't help you much there
[23:11:00] mirak_: kormoc: isn't it supposed to work out of the box after an apt-get ?
[23:11:00] kormoc: you a smart one, you are.
[23:11:00] kormoc: mirak_, no.
[23:11:00] SarahEmm: lol
[23:11:00] Esotericisms: nm .. not working
[23:11:00] SarahEmm: <-- professional geek
[23:12:00] SarahEmm: heh.. i'm on vacation, and i come here and support IT instead of.. bieng at work supporting IT :P
[23:12:00] mirak_: so you are saying me anybody installing mythtv must allow grants in mysql ?
[23:12:00] mirak_: ahah
[23:12:00] kormoc: yes
[23:12:00] SarahEmm: mirak: yes, because apt can't know your setup
[23:12:00] ** kormoc nods **
[23:12:00] SarahEmm: you could have eight frontends that need access, or just the local one.
[23:12:00] SarahEmm: they can't know
[23:12:00] mirak_: what is the difference ?
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[23:13:00] kormoc: a lot
[23:13:00] mirak_: the grant aren't given only to mythtv ?
[23:13:00] kormoc: the grant limits it to certain host masks and permissions and all that
[23:13:00] SarahEmm: mirak_: you may want to limit access to only certain boxes that have frontends on them, but not other ones
[23:13:00] SarahEmm: or you may just want it wide open.
[23:13:00] SarahEmm: they odn't know, so they leave it up to you
[23:13:00] Esotericisms: help help help help
[23:13:00] mirak_: yes, but that's not at mysql level
[23:13:00] kormoc: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2
[23:13:00] kormoc: yes, it is
[23:14:00] SarahEmm: mirak: yes it is at the mysql level.
[23:14:00] SarahEmm: each frontend needs to talk to mysql
[23:14:00] Esotericisms: off to #fedora for help
[23:14:00] SarahEmm: Esotericisms: what's the issue?
[23:14:00] SarahEmm: alrightie.
[23:14:00] kormoc: mysql limits what hosts
[23:14:00] mirak_: what is the interst since, external hosts connect to the backend first ?
[23:14:00] SarahEmm: mirak: they also have to connect to mysql
[23:14:00] mirak_: the backend connect to mysql
[23:14:00] mirak_: ?
[23:14:00] kormoc: yes
[23:15:00] kormoc: and the frontends connect to mysql
[23:15:00] kormoc: the front ends do not directly connect to the backends for a lot of the stuff
[23:15:00] mirak_: huh
[23:15:00] kormoc: they jsut pull from the db
[23:15:00] Esotericisms: SarahEmm, my s-video out is not working on my ati card ... when I use ATI's configuration tool it creates an jacked xorg.conf file
[23:15:00] SarahEmm: every myth-related box connects to mysql.
[23:15:00] kormoc: it's a lot faster that way
[23:15:00] SarahEmm: Esotericisms: ahh. can't help much with that, all mine use VGA-out except the xbox...
[23:15:00] SarahEmm: sowwy
[23:15:00] mirak_: well this grant could be allowed from apt setup
[23:15:00] kormoc: how?
[23:15:00] Esotericisms: how do you do vga out?
[23:15:00] mirak_: or at least for localhost
[23:16:00] kormoc: but would you like it if it overwrote your settings each time you updated?
[23:16:00] mirak_: kormoc: you can't pass a command to mysql from shell ?
[23:16:00] kormoc: if apt had your mysql root pass, sure
[23:16:00] kormoc: but your mysql root pass is not known to apt
[23:16:00] mirak_: kormoc: apt have it
[23:16:00] mirak_: yes it is
[23:16:00] ** kormoc raises a eyebrow. **
[23:16:00] mirak_: in /etc/mysql/debian.my
[23:17:00] Esotericisms: SarahEmm, how do you do VGA out?
[23:17:00] mirak_: it's explainted that it's the password for apt config
[23:17:00] kormoc: well, think of it this way
[23:17:00] kormoc: I have mine granted a certain way
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[23:17:00] kormoc: if every time I updated, it overwrote my grants, I'd be pissed
[23:17:00] SarahEmm: Esotericisms: err... plug a monitor into the video card?
[23:17:00] SarahEmm: as would i
[23:17:00] kormoc: but how does it know if mine is defaulted or not?
[23:18:00] Esotericisms: SarahEmm, oh I thought you were going to a TV
[23:18:00] kormoc: some tv's take dvi or vga too
[23:18:00] mirak_: kormoc: don't know, some complex script might know it
[23:18:00] mirak_: :)
[23:19:00] SarahEmm: Esotericisms: a lot of new bigger TVs have DVI inputs :) But i don't.
[23:19:00] kormoc: mirak, well, feel free to write one, but until then... :P
[23:19:00] CygnusX1_: When Myth auto-transcodes my recordings, the sound is "squeaky." I have 'increased' sound quality from7 (default I think) to 2 with no effect. What do I need to do?
[23:19:00] CygnusX1_: And either no one else is having this problem, or, everyone is using something besides squeaky or screechy to describe the effect.
[23:22:00] mirak_: kormoc: this don't work
[23:22:00] mirak_: mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"localhost" identified by "mythtv";
[23:22:00] mirak_: Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.03 sec)
[23:22:00] kormoc: ooh?
[23:23:00] mirak_: why 0 rows affected ? kormoc
[23:23:00] kormoc: and then the flush command?
[23:23:00] kormoc: that's fine
[23:23:00] mirak_: mysql> flush privileges;
[23:23:00] mirak_: Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.01 sec)
[23:23:00] kormoc: cause it's how grant works, it doesn't motify any rows.
[23:23:00] mirak_: root@mirak:/etc# /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[23:23:00] mirak_: Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[23:23:00] SarahEmm: CygnusX1_: i don't transcode :)
[23:24:00] SarahEmm: mirak: you just set the password to 'mythtv' by the way
[23:24:00] SarahEmm: make sure your mysql.txt file matches that
[23:24:00] iggy: mirak_: that's okay, mine says that too, and it works fine
[23:24:00] kormoc: mirak, try this
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[23:24:00] kormoc: grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";
[23:24:00] kormoc: flush privileges;
[23:24:00] mirak_: iggy: backend doesn't start
[23:25:00] SarahEmm: what other messages do you get?
[23:25:00] SarahEmm: also check /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[23:25:00] iggy: mirak_: well, it's probably another problem
[23:25:00] mirak_: root@mirak:/var/lib# ll /var/lib/mythtv/
[23:25:00] mirak_: total 0
[23:26:00] mirak_: no log file
[23:26:00] iggy: /var/log
[23:26:00] iggy: not /var/lib
[23:26:00] mirak_: lol
[23:26:00] mirak_: sorry
[23:26:00] mirak_: No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.
[23:26:00] mirak_: Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page
[23:26:00] mirak_: of the general settings.
[23:26:00] SarahEmm: run mythsetup
[23:27:00] SarahEmm: an RTFM ;)
[23:27:00] SarahEmm: s/an/and/
[23:27:00] kormoc: yeah... I thought you said you did all that?
[23:27:00] SarahEmm: mythsetup wouldn't have worked either, as it has to write/read to/from the db
[23:27:00] dcfogg: SarahEmm, do you have any idea how to configure ALSA emu10k1 for capture on the input Line in????
[23:27:00] mirak_: sh-3.00$ mythtv-setup
[23:27:00] mirak_: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[23:27:00] mirak_: 2005-05–19 00:28:20.019 Unable to connect to database!
[23:27:00] mirak_: 2005-05–19 00:28:20.020 Driver error was [1/1045]:
[23:27:00] mirak_: QMYSQL3: Unable to connect
[23:28:00] mirak_: Database error was:
[23:28:00] SarahEmm: dcfogg: 'capture'?
[23:28:00] mirak_: Access denied for user: 'mythtv@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[23:28:00] mirak_: couldn't open db
[23:28:00] mirak_: 2005-05–19 00:28:20.020 Switching to square mode (blue)
[23:28:00] mirak_: Segmentation fault
[23:28:00] SarahEmm: mirak: did you read what i saiD?
[23:28:00] mirak_: sorry for the flood
[23:28:00] iggy: SarahEmm: hah, you've shown yourself to be useful, now they ask for you by name
[23:28:00] SarahEmm: your password is 'mysql' in the db, but your mysql.txt has another one
[23:28:00] Esotericisms: I think I am going to install GATOs drivers
[23:28:00] SarahEmm: make sure they match
[23:28:00] SarahEmm: err, not 'mysql', 'mythtv'
[23:28:00] SarahEmm: iggy: story of my life :P
[23:28:00] iggy: Esotericisms: they won't work with myth
[23:28:00] mirak_: SarahEmm: wgere do you see that ?
[23:28:00] mirak_: ok
[23:28:00] SarahEmm: mirak: IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv'
[23:28:00] SarahEmm: that's the password
[23:28:00] iggy: mirak_: are you using Gentoo?
[23:28:00] kormoc: iggy, debian he is
[23:29:00] iggy: okay, carry on then
[23:29:00] SarahEmm: actually dcfogg, i can't help with that right now, sowwy
[23:29:00] ** SarahEmm helping people in 2 or 3 channels with different apps and also trying to get help on an app herself :) **
[23:29:00] SarahEmm: and i just called asterisk 'myth' :P too many different apps.
[23:29:00] kormoc: SarahEmm, be careful, I think you're at the point where if you post a picture, you'd get a cult following :P
[23:29:00] dcfogg: ok :-(
[23:29:00] SarahEmm: lol!
[23:30:00] iggy: kormoc: hah
[23:30:00] iggy: it's funny because it's true
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[23:32:00] SarahEmm: =^.^=
[23:32:00] SarahEmm: any luck mirak?
[23:32:00] mirak_: iggy: no ubuntu,
[23:33:00] mirak_: the password was mythtv
[23:33:00] mirak_: BUT
[23:33:00] mirak_: it's not that one that is in the database
[23:33:00] mirak_: I mean the hash doesn't match
[23:33:00] SarahEmm: err
[23:33:00] SarahEmm: what?
[23:33:00] SarahEmm: don't worry about hashs
[23:33:00] mirak_: ok
[23:33:00] SarahEmm: just make sure the IDENTIFIED BY word matches what's in mysql.txt
[23:35:00] mirak_: YEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsss
[23:35:00] mirak_: suuuuuuuuuuuuuuceeeeeeeeeessssssssssssss
[23:35:00] mirak_: youpiiii
[23:35:00] mirak_: I love you alllllllll!
[23:35:00] mirak_: world is beautifulllllllll
[23:35:00] mirak_: hem
[23:35:00] Bob-Laptop: wow
[23:36:00] Bob-Laptop: take a pill
[23:36:00] kormoc: can you make it 5 oclock now? :P
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[23:36:00] mirak_: damn
[23:37:00] mirak_: this lags to death
[23:37:00] mirak_: Your system is not capable of displaying the
[23:37:00] mirak_: * full framerate at 1280x1024 resolution.
[23:37:00] mirak_: ahah
[23:37:00] mirak_: no kidding
[23:38:00] SarahEmm: uhh, that's probably a little high :P
[23:38:00] SarahEmm: kormoc: it's already 1838 silly! ;)
[23:38:00] kormoc: ya east coasters :)
[23:39:00] kormoc: at least, eastern time zone :P
[23:39:00] kormoc: Yeah boss, I'm going home, it's 5:30 on the east, so I figure I'm done for the day, *waves*
[23:39:00] kormoc: that'd go over well :P
[23:39:00] SarahEmm: in the east coast it's 2020 already! ;)
[23:39:00] SarahEmm: (1.5h ahead of me)
[23:40:00] ** kormoc raises a eyebrow **
[23:40:00] ** SarahEmm lives in the great white north. **
[23:40:00] SarahEmm: the east cost of canadia is 1.5h ahead of the east coast of hte US
[23:40:00] dcfogg: no it is 22:36
[23:40:00] kormoc: it's 15:30 here, 18:30 there, that's 3 hours, it's 18:30 in pa too,
[23:40:00] ** kormoc wonders how this is working out **
[23:40:00] kormoc: ooh
[23:40:00] Agrajag-: yaeh well in sydney it's coming up to 9am so get ready fora full days work
[23:40:00] ** kormoc rereads **
[23:40:00] kormoc: gah
[23:41:00] SarahEmm: kormoc: *nods* and it's 1930 further east of here, and 2000 further east of that
[23:41:00] kormoc: I need a nap :P
[23:41:00] SarahEmm: hehee
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[23:41:00] kormoc: I was up all night last night, so from 8 am yesterday and can't hit the hay till at least 3 am tomorrow...
[23:41:00] kormoc: so I got another 12 hours.
[23:42:00] kormoc: 12 hours till I get to sleep for 5 then another day at work :P
[23:42:00] mchou: ok, is there a way to lock a specif channel to a specific tuner in myth?
[23:42:00] mirak_: SarahEmm: where do I set capture resolution etectera ?
[23:42:00] mchou: specific*
[23:43:00] kormoc: mchou, set the lineup for that tuner to only have one channel?
[23:43:00] mchou: kormoc: lol, I mean a more elegant way than that.
[23:43:00] SarahEmm: mirak: in the frontend, under setup iirc
[23:44:00] SarahEmm: i haven't touched that in years tho, so i could be wrong
[23:44:00] kormoc: heh, I don't think there are any other ways at the moment.
[23:44:00] mchou: kormoc: your suggestion basicall also says that tuner cant record other channels.....
[23:44:00] mchou: basically*
[23:44:00] kormoc: yeah
[23:44:00] kormoc: hence being locked to a specific channel
[23:44:00] mchou: kormoc: which clearly is not desired :)
[23:45:00] kormoc: ooh, basically you want tuner0 to be able to record say, 42, and tuner's 1 and 2 can't?
[23:45:00] mchou: kormoc: no, I mean whenever there is a show on chan x use tuner y first as the "prefeered" tuner.
[23:45:00] mchou: preferred*
[23:45:00] kormoc: ahh, that's not in myth at the moment
[23:46:00] mchou: kormoc: you sure about that? not even in "priorities?"
[23:46:00] kormoc: well, I'll word it this way, the last time I looked into it (.17) it wasn't supported
[23:47:00] iggy: if a particular recording has a high prio, and a tuner has a high prio, I think they will end up together
[23:47:00] Agrajag-: mchou: i reckon you might be able to
[23:47:00] mchou: see, iggy knows what I'm taking about :)
[23:47:00] Agrajag-: if you create another source
[23:47:00] Agrajag-: and make that channel have a higher priority for that source
[23:48:00] Agrajag-: and set that tuner to use that source
[23:48:00] Agrajag-: but what iggy said should work too
[23:48:00] mchou: yeah, that might work.
[23:49:00] mchou: cause my pvr 150 channel 2 is unwatchable (all other channels are great)
[23:49:00] mirak_: it seems it's not in the front end
[23:50:00] [Klatuu]: awww
[23:51:00] Agrajag-: mirak_: yes it is
[23:51:00] mirak_: hum I meant in the back end
[23:51:00] mirak_: in fact I don't find where it is in the front end Agrajag-
[23:52:00] Agrajag-: setup -> tv settings -> recording profiles
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[23:57:00] mirak_: Agrajag-: ok I have fund it
[23:58:00] mirak_: but it's lagging
[23:58:00] SarahEmm: lagging?
[23:58:00] SarahEmm: bad framerate you mean?
[23:58:00] mirak_: yes
[23:58:00] SarahEmm: okay..
[23:58:00] SarahEmm: how fast is your box?
[23:58:00] SarahEmm: and what video input device?
[23:58:00] mirak_: XP1800+
[23:58:00] bobc: mchou: do you just want to set priorities for your tuners? card 1 over card 2 etc?
[23:58:00] mirak_: I have read the docs
[23:59:00] mirak_: what ?
[23:59:00] SarahEmm: mirak: what card are you using to input tv?
[23:59:00] SarahEmm: PVR-xxx, bttv, cx88..
[23:59:00] mirak_: a pctv rave ...
[23:59:00] mirak_: bttv
[23:59:00] mchou: bobc: ah, It's a bit more compicated than that......
[23:59:00] mchou: nah*
[23:59:00] SarahEmm: mirak: okay... 1800+ *should* be enough for live tv...
[23:59:00] bobc: mchou: just for channel 2? I'm coming into the conversation late, I'll read back
[23:59:00] SarahEmm: what resolution?

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