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Tuesday, April 26th, 2005, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:00] dhofstra: MiX-Man can you use logrotate to handle the log files better?
[00:02:00] MiX-MaN: never heard of that
[00:02:00] MiX-MaN: let me check it out
[00:02:00] dhofstra: man logrotate if it is installed
[00:03:00] lucas is now known as lucas333
[00:04:00] Captain_Murdoch: Beirdo, RE: the earlier conversation about flagging while watching LiveTV, to doublecheck this all he'd have to do would be to run ps and look for mythcommflag. I'm pretty sure it can't happen though, it checks this ==> "if ((tmpInternalState != kState_WatchingLiveTV)" before it schedules the job to run flagging while the recording is in progress.
[00:05:00] MiX-MaN: good god
[00:05:00] MiX-MaN: root@mtv1:/var/log/mysql# du -h
[00:05:00] MiX-MaN: 155M .
[00:12:00] Beirdo: Captain_Murdoch: ahhh. OK, I wasn't sure
[00:12:00] Beirdo: best to wait for you rather than guess and be completely wrong :)
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[00:18:00] CygnusX1: Has anyone with an nvidia card ran into an issue where overscan is either off or on...no in between? I have tried 66.29 and 71.74 and something else in there on my 5900.
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[00:24:00] jemarcks: how do i reload ivtv after i make a change to modprobe.conf? reboot?
[00:25:00] jemarcks: cygnusX1, i have a fx5700LE that works great.
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[00:30:00] CygnusX1: jemarcks, I don't know where to look for a resolution. I had the same problem under knoppmyth. I am now running on Slack with a different kernel. It must be a hardware issue with my card.
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[00:36:00] jemarcks: cygnusX1, im betting its the card. did you get the lattest nvidia driver?
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[00:37:00] jemarcks: When i install FC3 for a frontend dedicated to a TV, should i set the resiloution to 800x600?
[00:38:00] mechtn_: ok this is wierd
[00:38:00] mechtn_: everything has been fine
[00:39:00] mechtn_: now my livetv is a green screen
[00:39:00] mechtn_: where do i mess with the livetv settings in the mythtvfrontend
[00:39:00] topping: what does it mean when trying to play tv and i get an error "sh: line 1: gggg: command not found"
[00:39:00] topping: ?
[00:39:00] topping: something must be unconfigured somewhere, because my other frontend doesn't do that
[00:40:00] topping: but where? ught
[00:43:00] mechtn_: xawtv doesnt work either now
[00:45:00] jemarcks: i wish the 150 driver would detect my card!
[00:46:00] mechtn_: i wish my livetv would work
[00:46:00] jemarcks: same here
[00:46:00] mechtn_: what can cause it to get static / green screen
[00:46:00] jemarcks: maybe i will do a fresh install tonite
[00:46:00] mechtn_: the cable works plugged directly into a tv
[00:47:00] four8: topping: that smells of an accidentally set up external channel change program named gggg...
[00:47:00] four8: jemarcks: which driver for which 150?
[00:48:00] jemarcks: yeah, i have ivtv 3.3g i think
[00:48:00] four8: and the 150?
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[00:49:00] jemarcks: i have a pvr150 model 1045
[00:50:00] four8: mce or retail, ntsc or pal?
[00:50:00] jemarcks: retail with remote, ntsc
[00:50:00] four8: tveeprom output?
[00:51:00] jemarcks: uhh... huh?
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[00:51:00] four8: look in /var/log/messages just after loading the module
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[00:52:00] jemarcks: Apr 24 16:38:17 htpc1 kernel: ivtv: i2c attach [client=tveeprom,ok]
[00:52:00] jemarcks: Apr 24 16:38:17 htpc1 kernel: tveeprom: Hauppauge: model = 26032, rev = C199, serial# = 7700495
[00:52:00] jemarcks: Apr 24 16:38:17 htpc1 kernel: tveeprom: tuner = <unknown> (idx = 99, type = 0)
[00:52:00] jemarcks: Apr 24 16:38:17 htpc1 kernel: tveeprom: tuner fmt = NTSC(M) (eeprom = 0x08, v4l2 = 0x00001000)
[00:52:00] jemarcks: Apr 24 16:38:17 htpc1 kernel: tveeprom: audio_processor = TDA9850 (type = 3)
[00:53:00] four8: modinfo tveeprom
[00:53:00] four8: You're probably loading an in-kernel tveeprom that doesn't know anything about the 150
[00:53:00] four8: idx 99 should be recognized as a type 50 tuner (IIRC)
[00:53:00] jemarcks: filename: /lib/modules/2.6.11–1.14_FC3/kernel/drivers/media/video/tveeprom.ko
[00:54:00] four8: add this to /etc/modprobe.conf:
[00:54:00] jemarcks: ok...
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[00:54:00] four8: alias tveeprom tveeprom-ivtv
[00:54:00] jemarcks: when i run livetv now i get a black screen and static... then i hange
[00:54:00] jemarcks: hangs
[00:55:00] four8: that'd be because you're not loading the right tuner type
[00:55:00] jemarcks: oh ok
[00:55:00] four8: (at least it accounts for the static)
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[00:55:00] jemarcks: i have had several people tell me different tunner types to try for a 150
[00:56:00] jemarcks: here is my modprobe.conf for the 150... is this what you think will work?
[00:56:00] jemarcks: alias char-major-81 videodev
[00:56:00] jemarcks: alias char-major-81–0 ivtv
[00:56:00] jemarcks: options cx25840 no_black_magic=1
[00:56:00] jemarcks: alias tveeprom tveeprom-ivtv
[00:56:00] four8: all 150s I know of should be auto-detected
[00:56:00] four8: yeah, that should be fine
[00:56:00] jemarcks: ok.. .leme try it out. brb
[00:57:00] four8: k
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[00:58:00] mechtn_: jez.. i've tried everything
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[00:58:00] mechtn_: this is killin me
[00:58:00] jemarcks: four8,i did /sbin/modprobe -r ivtv; /sbin/modprobe ivtv. I still get a black screen and static
[00:58:00] abarbaccia: anybody here have issues with knoppmyth setting up a PVR250 incorrectly?
[00:58:00] mechtn_: i can't get past a green screen
[00:58:00] four8: jemarcks: you also need to unload the tveeprom module
[00:58:00] mechtn_: i have a happague card running the bttv drivers
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[00:59:00] jemarcks: four8, /sbin/modprobe -r tveeprom?
[00:59:00] four8: should do the trick
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[01:00:00] jemarcks: four8 leme reboot first
[01:00:00] four8: k
[01:01:00] jemarcks: four8, another question, when i install FC3 and it asks me to set the screen reseloution, should i set it to 800x600 if its going to drive a TV?
[01:02:00] four8: what video output dev?
[01:02:00] jemarcks: a nvidia fx5700LE svideo output
[01:02:00] four8: I'm partial to 1024x768 myself, just for more working room if/when I need to drop to the desktop
[01:02:00] four8: but 800x600 works too
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[01:02:00] mechtn_: four8, everything has been running fine... i took out my ati wonder pro and put in a hapagague card thats an older model and it automatically detected it with the bt878 using bttv driver...
[01:03:00] jemarcks: 120x768 looks fuzzy on my old TV
[01:03:00] mechtn_: four8, no i just get half static, half green screen when i go to livetv
[01:03:00] four8: jemarcks: go with 800x600 then
[01:03:00] four8: mechtn_: did you say it works in xawtv?
[01:03:00] jemarcks: four 8 , ok.
[01:04:00] jemarcks: four8, ok reboot is finished. when i modprobe ivtv i still see tveeprom: in the output
[01:04:00] mechtn_: four8, no it dont work for xawtv either
[01:05:00] four8: jemarcks: but what does tveeprom say about the tuner now?
[01:06:00] jemarcks: [root@htpc1 mythtv]# /sbin/modinfo tveeprom
[01:06:00] jemarcks: filename: /lib/modules/2.6.11–1.14_FC3/kernel/drivers/media/video/tveeprom.ko
[01:06:00] four8: (you should still see tveeprom, it should just be reporting what's actually on the card now)
[01:06:00] jemarcks: tveeprom: Hauppauge: model = 26032, rev = C199, serial# = 7700495
[01:06:00] jemarcks: tveeprom: tuner = <unknown> (idx = 99, type = 4)
[01:06:00] jemarcks: tveeprom: tuner fmt = NTSC(M) (eeprom = 0x08, v4l2 = 0x00001000)
[01:06:00] jemarcks: tveeprom: audio_processor = TDA9850 (type = 3)
[01:06:00] four8: hm, still tanking...
[01:06:00] four8: one sec...
[01:07:00] four8: mechtn_: its been ages since I've touched a bttv card, not really sure where to look...
[01:07:00] jemarcks: ivtv: ==================== START INIT IVTV ====================
[01:07:00] jemarcks: ivtv: version 0.2.0 (rc3j) loading
[01:07:00] jemarcks: ivtvivtv: ==================== START INIT IVTV ====================
[01:07:00] jemarcks: ivtv: version 0.2.0 (rc3j) loading
[01:07:00] jemarcks: ivtv: Linux version: 2.6.11–1.14_FC3 686 REGPARM 4KSTACKS gcc-3.4
[01:07:00] jemarcks: : Linux version: 2.6.11–1.14_FC3 686 REGPARM 4KSTACKS gcc-3.4
[01:07:00] four8: hm rc3j...
[01:07:00] four8: 0.2.x branch...
[01:07:00] jemarcks: shouldnt that be like 0.3.3g?
[01:08:00] four8: if you were loading the 0.3.3g drivers, yeah
[01:08:00] jemarcks: well i think the 3.3 is what i need to get the 150 outa the ditch here, right?
[01:09:00] four8: the very latest 0.2 versions are supposed to have support for the 150 and 500, but not nearly as good as 0.3.x does
[01:09:00] jemarcks: [root@htpc1 mythtv]# rpm -q ivtv
[01:09:00] jemarcks: ivtv-0.3.3g-80.rhfc3.at
[01:09:00] four8: I dunno if the tveeprom changes were backported to 0.2.x or not
[01:09:00] four8: rpm -q ivtv-kmdl-`uname -r`
[01:09:00] jemarcks: me neither
[01:09:00] jemarcks: [root@htpc1 mythtv]# rpm -q ivtv-kmdl-`uname -r`
[01:09:00] jemarcks: ivtv-kmdl-2.6.11–1.14_FC3–0.2.0–67_rc3j.rhfc3.at
[01:10:00] four8: assuming you have at-testing enabled, apt-get install ivtv-kmdl-`uname -r`
[01:10:00] four8: I *know* that version works. :)
[01:10:00] jemarcks: i have testing enabled
[01:10:00] jemarcks: ok.. got it
[01:11:00] four8: cleanest to just bounce the box again
[01:11:00] mechtn_: hrmm
[01:11:00] jemarcks: [root@htpc1 mythtv]# rpm -q ivtv-kmdl-`uname -r`
[01:11:00] jemarcks: ivtv-kmdl-2.6.11–1.14_FC3–0.3.3k-81.rhfc3.at
[01:11:00] abarbaccia: hey guys is a celeron i586 or i686?
[01:11:00] mechtn_: i dont know what i'm going to do
[01:11:00] abarbaccia: celeronD
[01:11:00] four8: i686
[01:11:00] abarbaccia: i586 is like old school pentium right?
[01:11:00] four8: yup
[01:11:00] abarbaccia: thanks buddy
[01:11:00] four8: and some crippled C3 procs
[01:11:00] four8: np
[01:12:00] jemarcks: ivtv: ==================== START INIT IVTV ====================
[01:12:00] jemarcks: ivtv: version 0.3.3 (k) loading
[01:12:00] jemarcks: tveeprom: Hauppauge: model = 26032, rev = C199, serial# = 7700495
[01:12:00] jemarcks: tveeprom: tuner = <unknown> (idx = 99, type = 4)
[01:12:00] jemarcks: tveeprom: tuner fmt = NTSC(M) (eeprom = 0x08, v4l2 = 0x00001000)
[01:12:00] jemarcks: tveeprom: audio_processor = TDA9850 (type = 3)
[01:12:00] four8: hm...
[01:13:00] topping: four8: close, turns out it's the LED control for xbox i guess... don't know why it's giving errors in the console, but my main problem is no sound, so i guess i'll get back to that lol
[01:13:00] four8: heh
[01:14:00] jemarcks: four8, ivtv: Autodetected WinTV PVR 150 card
[01:14:00] jemarcks: im confused
[01:14:00] four8: still not loading the right tveeprom, I believe
[01:14:00] jemarcks: hmmm
[01:15:00] four8: ll /lib/modules/2.6.11–1.14_FC3/updates/drivers/media/video/tvee*
[01:15:00] CygnusX1: jemarcks, I am running K right now with the same card (same model and rev) and it is detecting it as tuner = 50
[01:15:00] jemarcks: [root@htpc1 mythtv]# ll /lib/modules/2.6.11–1.14_FC3/updates/drivers/media/video/tvee*
[01:15:00] jemarcks: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17776 Apr 25 08:50 /lib/modules/2.6.11–1.14_FC3/updates/drivers/media/video/tveeprom-ivtv.ko
[01:15:00] jemarcks: tuner 50? hmmm
[01:15:00] four8: that's the right one
[01:15:00] four8: TCL 2002-N, IIRC
[01:16:00] jemarcks: should i try options ivtv tuner=50
[01:16:00] CygnusX1: TCL 2002N 5H
[01:16:00] four8: that should work, but would be nice to get the right tveeprom auto-detecting and auto-configuring everything...
[01:17:00] jemarcks: yeah me too...
[01:17:00] CygnusX1: Would tveeprom autoload? I never added anything to call it...yet, it is loaded.
[01:17:00] four8: find /lib/modules/2.6.11–1.14_FC3/ -name "tveeprom*"
[01:18:00] jemarcks: [root@htpc1 mythtv]# find /lib/modules/2.6.11–1.14_FC3/ -name "tveeprom*"
[01:18:00] jemarcks: /lib/modules/2.6.11–1.14_FC3/updates/drivers/media/video/tveeprom-ivtv.ko
[01:18:00] jemarcks: /lib/modules/2.6.11–1.14_FC3/kernel/drivers/media/video/tveeprom.ko
[01:18:00] jemarcks: /lib/modules/2.6.11–1.14_FC3/build/include/config/video/tveeprom
[01:18:00] jemarcks: /lib/modules/2.6.11–1.14_FC3/build/include/media/tveeprom.h
[01:18:00] jemarcks: [root@htpc1 mythtv]#
[01:18:00] mechtn_: four8, guess what i just found
[01:18:00] mechtn_: channels 65–80 work in xawtv
[01:18:00] four8: a $2 bill
[01:18:00] four8: Am I close?
[01:18:00] four8: :)
[01:18:00] four8: hm...
[01:19:00] CygnusX1: Shhh!!! Don't mention those, BB security will beat you down.
[01:19:00] mechtn_: wierd huh
[01:19:00] four8: jemarcks: rename the one in kernel/drivers/... to tveeprom-orig.ko and the tveeprom-ivtv.ko one to tveeprom.ko
[01:19:00] four8: then comment out that alias tveeprom tveeprom-ivtv line in modprobe.conf
[01:19:00] four8: then depmod -ae
[01:19:00] four8: then rmmod ivtv tveeprom
[01:20:00] jemarcks: ok... hang on
[01:20:00] four8: then modprobe ivtv
[01:20:00] jemarcks: four8, how did this get so messed up?
[01:20:00] four8: and lets see what you get...
[01:20:00] four8: heh, not sure!
[01:21:00] four8: things are kind of a mess with three different sources for tveeprom, tuner and msp3400...
[01:21:00] four8: (kernel, v4l snaps, ivtv)
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[01:23:00] jemarcks: tveeprom: Hauppauge: model = 26032, rev = C199, serial# = 7700495
[01:23:00] jemarcks: tveeprom: tuner = TCL 2002N 5H (idx = 99, type = 50)
[01:23:00] jemarcks: tveeprom: tuner fmt = NTSC(M) (eeprom = 0x08, v4l2 = 0x00001000)
[01:23:00] jemarcks: tveeprom: audio_processor = TDA9850 (type = 3)
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[01:23:00] four8: mo betta
[01:23:00] mjc: http://www.pastebin.com/275984
[01:23:00] mjc: ideas anyone? =/
[01:23:00] mjc: 0.17
[01:23:00] jemarcks: tuner = TCL 2002N 5H right?
[01:23:00] mjc: strace output
[01:24:00] four8: jemarcks: yeah, the tuner info looks right
[01:24:00] four8: give it a shot, see if that static is gone...
[01:24:00] jemarcks: four8 cool. ok.. ill check in a min and let you know. i have to get the wife to let me try during a commercial haha
[01:24:00] four8: :)
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[01:25:00] mechtn_: umm
[01:25:00] mechtn_: cant you change channels with the keyboard
[01:26:00] mechtn_: in livetv it stays stuck on a single channel .. up and down arrows dont work
[01:27:00] mjc: mechtn, try pageup/pagedown?
[01:27:00] mechtn_: nope..
[01:27:00] mechtn_: no luck
[01:28:00] jemarcks: four8, still a black screen and static... then it quits and i cant alt-F4 out. i have to reboot
[01:28:00] mechtn_: only channels 63–84 work in xawtv
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[01:28:00] mechtn_: in mythtv its stuck on 66
[01:28:00] mechtn_: afk
[01:29:00] CygnusX1: jemarcks, did you by any chance change from MPEG-PS to MPEG-TS?
[01:29:00] four8: jemarcks: hm... Could be something stuck... When you reboot, actually shut it off, pull the plug and leave it off for a little bit
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[01:29:00] four8: (like a minute)
[01:29:00] jemarcks: cygnusx1, mpeg-ps? is this in mythsetup?
[01:30:00] ** four8 uses dvd-special2 **
[01:30:00] jemarcks: four8 ok... nothing to loose
[01:30:00] CygnusX1: No. It is in mythfrontend setup...if you haven't done it, don't do it.
[01:30:00] Cromz: evenininin ya'll
[01:31:00] CygnusX1: Hello Cromz
[01:31:00] jemarcks: cygnusx1, i dont remeber changing that... what is it and where and what should it be set to?
[01:31:00] mjc: mythfrontend's crashing on me. I already set up and ran the backend, it's still running, but I get segfaults frmo mythfronted
[01:31:00] mjc: end
[01:31:00] Beirdo: ahhh, that was fun
[01:32:00] Cromz: what was Beirdo? you kick a dog the size of a football?
[01:32:00] Cromz: lol
[01:32:00] Beirdo: hehe
[01:32:00] Beirdo: no
[01:32:00] ** four8 finally got around to upgrading all production boxes to 0.18 last night... **
[01:32:00] Beirdo: I used nickserv to force someone not to use the nick "mythtv"
[01:32:00] Beirdo: which is also banned in this channel
[01:32:00] four8: he
[01:32:00] jemarcks: is there an easy way to change the screen reseloution after you install ?
[01:32:00] Beirdo: I registered that nick months ago :)
[01:32:00] Beirdo: hehe
[01:33:00] four8: system-config-display
[01:33:00] ** Cromz is now known as not_mythtv **
[01:33:00] four8: kerberos and sasl auth is currently kicking my butt...
[01:33:00] Beirdo: ewww
[01:33:00] four8: ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Invalid credentials (49)
[01:34:00] four8: additional info: SASL(-13): authentication failure: GSSAPI Failure: gss_accept_sec_context
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[01:34:00] Beirdo: rpm -e kerberos
[01:34:00] Beirdo: :)
[01:34:00] four8: heh
[01:34:00] Beirdo: if only.
[01:34:00] four8: actually, the kerberos part works fine, its ldap that won't auth to kerb
[01:34:00] CygnusX1: jemarcks, it is in the configuration for recording profiles. Someone suggested making that change...I did and when I tried to watch TV, it hung. I changed it back and it still hung.
[01:35:00] jemarcks: cygnusx1, i havent touched it. good to know.
[01:35:00] jemarcks: cygnusx1, did you get it fixed?
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[01:36:00] CygnusX1: jemarcks, Yes. I wnet into the mySQL table and it was still saying MPEG-TS all over even though I had changed it back in the interface. Changed em all back to MPEG-PS and all is well again.
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[01:39:00] jemarcks: cygnusx1, sounds like a bug to report to me!
[01:40:00] CygnusX1: jemarcks, I am too new to this to lay blame! :-) Could be something goofy I did.
[01:41:00] jemarcks: cygnusx1, try it again and if you can repeat it, then its a bug.
[01:41:00] jemarcks: they should fix that kind of stuff. dang!
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[01:42:00] CygnusX1: heh heh. I am afraid to. I am lucky I didn't bust this thing up with all the crud I tried before I took a peek in the SQL tables.
[01:42:00] CygnusX1: Worked perfectly first try, then, I almost pooched it.
[01:42:00] jemarcks: haha
[01:43:00] stew: i'm running the autoscan on a dvb card and its finding channels, should it be also inserting into the dvb_channel and dvb_pids table? or am i missing something?
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[01:52:00] jemarcks: four8, it still displays a black screen with static audio and then it hangs.
[01:52:00] jemarcks: :?
[01:52:00] jemarcks: :/
[01:52:00] four8: whatcha got in /lib/modules/ ?
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[01:53:00] four8: seems reminiscent of a missing firmware file...
[01:53:00] jemarcks: [mythtv@htpc1 ~]$ ls /lib/modules/
[01:53:00] jemarcks: 2.6.10–1.770_14.rhfc3.at 2.6.11–1.14_FC3smp 2.6.9–1.667smp ivtv-fw-dec.bin
[01:53:00] jemarcks: 2.6.11–1.14_FC3 2.6.9–1.667 HcwMakoA.ROM ivtv-fw-enc.bin
[01:53:00] jemarcks: [mythtv@htpc1 ~]$
[01:53:00] four8: darn
[01:53:00] jemarcks: yeah.. i checked that with the ivtv docs
[01:53:00] jemarcks: looks ok
[01:54:00] jemarcks: maybe i should do a fresh install
[01:54:00] jemarcks: grrrrrrrrrrrrr
[01:54:00] four8: nah
[01:54:00] four8: grab a full log dump using the tac script on wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php and slap it on pastebin tho
[01:55:00] jemarcks: ok... ill send yo a link in a bit
[01:56:00] jemarcks: tac script? where?
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[01:57:00] jemarcks: four8,tac script? where?
[01:58:00] four8: in the ivtv part of section 10
[02:00:00] jemarcks: four8, so you want the ivtv conten in the dmesg output?
[02:00:00] four8: everything between START IVTV INIT and STOP IVTV INIT
[02:00:00] jemarcks: ok..
[02:01:00] jemarcks: four8 , http://www.pastebin.com/275989
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[02:04:00] four8: still nothing standing out, so far as I can tell, it should be working. :(
[02:07:00] jemarcks: hmmmmm
[02:07:00] jemarcks: fresh install?
[02:07:00] jemarcks: i installed on sunday and had problems doing a dist-update
[02:07:00] jemarcks: maybe now it will go smooth
[02:09:00] jemarcks: four8, i use jarods guide. has that worked for you?
[02:09:00] four8: lmao
[02:10:00] four8: I *am* Jarod.
[02:10:00] four8: :)
[02:10:00] jemarcks: ohhhhhhhhhhh
[02:10:00] jemarcks: lol
[02:10:00] jemarcks: nice to meet ya man
[02:10:00] jemarcks: i didnt know
[02:10:00] four8: I'm incognito. :)
[02:10:00] jemarcks: hehe
[02:11:00] jemarcks: i did get it to show me good svideo on saturday with no audio, then sombody told me to do somthing to fix the audio and the live tv broke. no body could help so i did a fresh install on sunday but there were problem with apt-get and stuff.
[02:11:00] MiX-MaN: anyone know if there is away to automate converting nuv's to divx? (im using a Bt card.. so no mpeg2 support :( )
[02:12:00] four8: jemarcks: wait, what input are you trying to use on that card?
[02:12:00] Agrajag-: MiX-MaN: nuvexport
[02:12:00] four8: MiX-MaN: nuvexport
[02:13:00] four8: he
[02:13:00] four8: heh
[02:13:00] MiX-MaN: err
[02:13:00] MiX-MaN: i want it to do it automagicly ;)
[02:13:00] four8: cron
[02:13:00] MiX-MaN: nuvexport works good but.. im tring to find something with no user input nessc
[02:14:00] Agrajag-: it doesn't require user input
[02:14:00] jemarcks: four8, i am hooked up to the svideo input
[02:14:00] MiX-MaN: ehh??
[02:14:00] MiX-MaN: the nuvexport i have does
[02:14:00] Agrajag-: use command line options
[02:14:00] jemarcks: i have a DTV receiver.. .old RCA box from 2 years ago
[02:14:00] Agrajag-: read the manpage
[02:14:00] four8: jemarcks: ahhh, that would probably be the problem right now then. :)
[02:14:00] four8: It defaults to -p 6
[02:15:00] four8: Unless of course you set it up for svid in myth and that's where you're debugging (I do my debugging w/cat and mplayer)
[02:15:00] jemarcks: four8, huh? how?
[02:16:00] four8: cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg to save an mpeg snippet you can play wherever
[02:16:00] four8: mplayer /dev/video0 to start reading off the mpeg2 encoder
[02:16:00] jemarcks: oh ok.. like you say to try in your guide in the 205/350 section
[02:17:00] four8: I'd assumed we were after the tuner because of the tveeprom stuff, which was actually neither here nor there if you're using svid. :)
[02:17:00] four8: yeah
[02:17:00] MiX-MaN: sweeettt
[02:17:00] MiX-MaN: Agrajag-: u are da shit man.. thanks
[02:17:00] jemarcks: four8, i set the input for svideo0 when i ran mythtvsetup
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[02:18:00] four8: you might re-run setup and reset it, just to be certain.
[02:18:00] four8: I'd also set it via cli and try some mplayer/cat tests
[02:18:00] jemarcks: four8, reset it to tuner 0 and preset it to channel 3?
[02:18:00] four8: narrow the problem down to a myth config issue or a ivtv issue
[02:18:00] jemarcks: ok.. gotcha
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[02:21:00] mechtn_: ok something was missing
[02:21:00] mechtn_: i just ran apt-get install on different things until i rebooted and it worked
[02:21:00] mechtn_: hehehe
[02:21:00] mechtn_: how do i take a screen shot when i have livetv going
[02:21:00] four8: crap, now I can't even contact the KDC, and its on the same box I'm working on... Ugh...
[02:21:00] mechtn_: so i can show you guys what is messed up as far as its kinda choppy etc..
[02:22:00] MiX-MaN: Agrajag-: one other question.. is there away to convert any shows found.. the only option i find is --title 'string'
[02:26:00] MiX-MaN: :( and it still requires user input
[02:27:00] four8: write a shell script that queries the db for new recordings, then calls nuvexport with the recording titles, one by one
[02:31:00] Beirdo: hmm?
[02:32:00] Beirdo: why would you do that, four8?
[02:32:00] jemarcks: four8, why wont the svideo input work now? why do i have to use tuner0. wont i have to use a coax to use tuner0?
[02:32:00] four8: MiX-MaN was after a way to automate running nuvexport for any new recordings without any user input and I pulled that out of my arse. :)
[02:32:00] Beirdo: ahh
[02:32:00] Beirdo: hehe
[02:33:00] four8: jemarcks: no, the svid input should work
[02:33:00] Beirdo: feeding it by file would be better
[02:33:00] four8: ah, so just feed it the *.nuv filename instead?
[02:33:00] four8: that'd certainly be easier than having to make sql queries
[02:33:00] Beirdo: I think so
[02:34:00] Beirdo: with --infile if I remember right
[02:34:00] four8: jemarcks: double-check what ivtvctl -a says the input is set to
[02:34:00] four8: I think I've only actually used nuvexport like 5 times
[02:34:00] four8: I transcode next to nothing
[02:34:00] four8: but dvds
[02:36:00] four8: wow, I've royally hosed over krb
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[02:36:00] jemarcks: four8, so if i switch to tuner0 and coax, will i see any difference?
[02:36:00] jemarcks: four8, http://www.pastebin.com/275998 for ivtvctl output
[02:36:00] MiX-MaN: :( --infile * and *.nuv did'nt work
[02:36:00] four8: jemarcks: according to that output, the card is set to tuner input right now
[02:36:00] Beirdo: one at a time
[02:37:00] jemarcks: four8 , this is my first myth box so im learning the system so to speak
[02:37:00] four8: so you can either connect coax to the tuner input, or switch the thing over to the svid input and see whatcha get...
[02:37:00] jemarcks: huh? how? i went to mythtvsetup and selected svideo0
[02:37:00] four8: ivtvctl -p 0
[02:37:00] jemarcks: four8, how do i tell its tuner 0?
[02:37:00] four8: not sure why it isn't flipped to svid atm
[02:38:00] four8: Input = 6 from your output
[02:38:00] jemarcks: ah.. i just saw it
[02:38:00] jemarcks: ok.. leme go change it. that would explain static
[02:38:00] Agrajag-: MiX-MaN: write a bash script that gets all your nuvs and does it. like foreach NUV in `ls /recording/directory/*.nuv` do; nuvexport --infile $NUV .....
[02:39:00] MiX-MaN: hmm i was about to start researching the database thing but that sounds much easier :)
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[02:41:00] four8: Well, I'm royally frustrated, kerberos worked great earlier today, now its hosed, and I need to go home...
[02:42:00] four8: later all, gotta run...
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[02:43:00] topping: hey, any xbox frontend users around? is lirc usable for the remote?
[02:43:00] Beirdo: so I think the guy at the music store thinks I'm really odd
[02:43:00] mechtn_: how do i take a screen shot when i have livetv going
[02:43:00] mechtn_: also how do i check the cpu load when livetv is going
[02:43:00] topping: Beirdo: why?
[02:44:00] Beirdo: bought: The KLF, Jamiroquai, Josh Groban, Metallica, The Tea Party :)
[02:44:00] Beirdo: hehe
[02:44:00] Beirdo: all over the frigging map :)
[02:44:00] topping: haha
[02:45:00] mechtn_: beirdo, how do you take a screen shot in mythtv?
[02:45:00] Beirdo: you have to run without XV
[02:46:00] Beirdo: and then use an X capture program
[02:46:00] mechtn_: i wanted to take a screen shot to show you guys what my livetv picture looks like
[02:46:00] mechtn_: its playing and the color is right now, however its kinda choppy ..
[02:46:00] mechtn_: i was looking for a guide for the software encoder settings
[02:47:00] rpete: topping, lirc is being used on lots of xbox frontends
[02:47:00] topping: rpete: which distro do most people use for it? gentoo should be okay, yah?
[02:47:00] topping: i was just worried because the lirc site says that usb isn't supported
[02:48:00] rpete: yeah, xebian and the mythtv script at http://bit.blkbk.com/
[02:48:00] rpete: very easy to set up
[02:49:00] topping: ugh, i hope gentoox wasn't a mistake now
[02:50:00] MiX-MaN: argg
[02:50:00] MiX-MaN: well it almost worked
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[02:51:00] MiX-MaN: keeps wanting me to push 'c' to continue
[02:51:00] mechtn_: hey beirdo..
[02:51:00] Beirdo: yes
[02:52:00] mechtn_: where is the information explaining each of the settings in the software encoder live tv
[02:52:00] Beirdo: I dunno
[02:53:00] rpete: topping, I would suggest scrapping gentoo right away unless you just have time to kill
[02:53:00] Beirdo: hehe
[02:53:00] topping: i have everything but lirc running at this point...
[02:54:00] topping: but yah, it was a royal pain
[02:54:00] CygnusX1: Am I missing something? Is there a way to just compile the mythfrontend for a system?
[02:55:00] topping: CygnusX1: you have to go in and compile it manually
[02:55:00] topping: it's using qmake, not automake
[02:56:00] CygnusX1: topping, know of any how-to's for that?
[02:56:00] topping: heh, i just gave it to you lol
[02:56:00] CygnusX1: rofl
[02:56:00] topping: what do you need to know?
[02:56:00] Agrajag-: what do you want to do that for?
[02:56:00] CygnusX1: okay :-)
[02:56:00] CygnusX1: on my desktop PC I just want the frontend so I can occasionally watch something while the wife watches her soaps.
[02:56:00] Agrajag-: just compile everything, even for a frontend only box
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[02:57:00] CygnusX1: topping, give me a few....I am going to go poke around the source directory and see if I am smart enough to put what you said to use.
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[02:58:00] Reepicheep: Do you have to mount the music folder on a frontend with NFS or the like?
[02:59:00] Agrajag-: yep
[02:59:00] Agrajag-: CygnusX1: it's going to be a lot easier to compile the lot
[02:59:00] Reepicheep: looking through the mailing list some people say you have to while some say you don't have to anymore?
[02:59:00] Reepicheep: I am using version 0.18 on the frontend and the backend and mythmusic
[03:00:00] Agrajag-: im 99% sure you have to
[03:01:00] Agrajag-: where do people say you dont?
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[03:01:00] Reepicheep: I have seen on the list archive a couple different places..
[03:02:00] CygnusX1: Agrajag-, I fret over having all of that lying around though--90% that will never be used on this box.
[03:02:00] topping: CygnusX1: you basically have to start at the top directory and do a 'qmake *.pro'
[03:03:00] topping: then go down the directory tree to the directory you want, doing the same thing at every stop
[03:03:00] topping: when you get to where you want to be (say programs/mythtvfrontend), type 'make install'
[03:04:00] topping: it will compile, then complain something is missing
[03:04:00] topping: 'pushd' to that directory, do the same thing, until you get a clean install, then 'popd'
[03:04:00] topping: and 'make install' as you 'popd' your way back out
[03:04:00] topping: that's how i did it
[03:06:00] mechtn_: does mythtvfrontend have to be running to record a show?
[03:06:00] Agrajag-: no
[03:07:00] CygnusX1: topping, Okay...I am doing the make install part now. pushd and popd make me feel like popcorn though :-)
[03:07:00] Reepicheep: Here is an example of a post that i interpreted as not needing NFS to use MythMusic on a remote frontend:
[03:07:00] Reepicheep: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . ntend;#63300
[03:07:00] mechtn_: hehe mythtvbackend is using 98.5% cpu
[03:07:00] mechtn_: recording tv show
[03:07:00] Reepicheep: the third post on that page
[03:07:00] habakuk: hi can anyone confirm if a Hauppauge Wintv 401 DBX will work? something like : http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116606
[03:08:00] Beirdo: tweak your settings, mechtn
[03:08:00] CygnusX1: AndyCap, as I did that configure, I realize I didn't turn lirc support on on my backend...no wonder I can't get my remote to work.
[03:08:00] Agrajag-: Reepicheep: that's saying it doesn't need to be mounted in the same *place*
[03:08:00] Agrajag-: not not mounted at all :
[03:08:00] Agrajag-: :)
[03:08:00] Reepicheep: yeah.. I c that now
[03:09:00] CygnusX1: No rule to make target `../../libs/libmyth/libmyth-0.18.so
[03:09:00] Reepicheep: k.. well i'm an idiot sometimes
[03:11:00] CygnusX1: uhoh man popd and man pushd are failing me
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[03:19:00] mechtn_: beirdo, there isnt any settings to tweak...
[03:19:00] Beirdo: of course there are
[03:19:00] mechtn_: beirdo, i cant find squat on how to configure settings for better pictures etc
[03:19:00] Beirdo: the recording profile settings
[03:19:00] mechtn_: thats what i was asking you wallago
[03:19:00] Beirdo: just go play with them
[03:21:00] mechtn_: hehe its kinda hard to play with them and acctually see a differenc
[03:23:00] dhofstra: you can also play with the livetv settings (after writing down the defaults) so you can see the differences without having to schedule recordings (but you knew that right?)
[03:24:00] Cromz: you can? OMG!
[03:24:00] Cromz: :)
[03:24:00] dhofstra: heh, believe it or not, there was a guy in here last month screwing around with the recording profiles
[03:25:00] dhofstra: he hadn't thought about livetv as a recording profile
[03:25:00] dhofstra: plus, I like to dumb-up the conversation every once in a while =)
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[03:29:00] Moc: Hi all
[03:29:00] Moc: Ive being trying to find some info about the WinTV PVR 350. Can I use the Output capability of this card with MythTV ?
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[03:31:00] Cromz: oh you gotta be kidding me.. all this time I've been trying to figure out the issue with lirc typing the number ont he remote liek 45 and it changing to 4 then 5. was the osd style. I thought what the hell and changed it now it does the browse mode and goes to 45 not 4 then 5 :O
[03:33:00] kormoc: uhh
[03:33:00] kormoc: question
[03:33:00] kormoc: is it normal for mythtv to start up in live tv mode only?
[03:34:00] MiX-MaN: i recall seeing an option to turn that off and on... if u find it let me know..:)
[03:34:00] kormoc: well, it's on on my box and it's annoying :P
[03:34:00] dhofstra: some distros put a shortcut to mythtv in the start-menu
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[03:35:00] kormoc: running it via the command line, mythtv
[03:35:00] dhofstra: their start-menu mythtv is a livetv version.. make your own that launches mythfrontend
[03:35:00] kormoc: starts up in livetv mode, shows the program guide, I hit escape and it quits
[03:35:00] dhofstra: kormok, try mythfrontend
[03:35:00] dhofstra: not mythtv
[03:36:00] kormoc: okay... oddish, I thought mythtv was a synlink to mythfrontend, my mistake :)
[03:36:00] dhofstra: I am compiling mythplugins, part of the way through the make, I realize that fftw is not going to work. can i ./configure --disable fftw and continue the make somehow without starting over?
[03:39:00] kormoc: dhofstra, sure, if it doesn't change the .o file, it won't rebuild
[03:40:00] dhofstra: I have both fftw 2 and fftw 3 and I wonder if removing 3 would cause things to work, but removing fftw3 would remove a bunch of other programs.. think these 2 will not function side by side?
[03:43:00] jemarcks: four8, hey, i found good input on svideo using cat /dev/video0
[03:45:00] jemarcks: i can see good video when i set the input to svideo0 using ivtvctl -p 0, and cat /dev/video0 to /tmp/test.mpg. then use mplayer to play it back.
[03:45:00] jemarcks: when i fire up mythfrontend, and select livetv i get a black screen and no audio. i set the input in mythsetup to svideo.
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[03:58:00] ** topping starts downloading xebian **
[03:59:00] MiX-MaN: err.. is there anyway to get nuvexport to contuine w/o prompting.. when using command line options
[03:59:00] Igg-man: topping: have you used it yet?
[03:59:00] MiX-MaN: i tired --confirm.. did'nt work
[04:00:00] topping: Igg-man: no, but it seems that after all the work to set up gentoox, i can't find a way to make lirc work with it
[04:00:00] topping: "the agony of defeat"
[04:00:00] Igg-man: lirc?
[04:00:00] Igg-man: is that an IRC client?
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[04:00:00] topping: the linux IR code
[04:01:00] topping: infrared
[04:01:00] Igg-man: oh
[04:01:00] topping: gotta have a remote!! :-)
[04:01:00] Igg-man: Yep, that would be an improvement over not having one
[04:01:00] topping: hehe
[04:01:00] Cromz: specially when the enter / space keys dont' select :/ heh
[04:02:00] Igg-man: I was thinking a numberpad might be a good way to go, if you didn't mind the cable
[04:03:00] Cromz: eww no way Igg-man
[04:03:00] Cromz: ;)
[04:04:00] Igg-man: I'm cheap, sorry
[04:04:00] Igg-man: Better yet, I'll just watch it right on the computer, that way I don't have to buy a TV
[04:04:00] Cromz: that's what I do.. but I got a remote :)
[04:04:00] Igg-man: Your monitor must be big
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[04:05:00] Cromz: naw. dual monitors.. 17" both.
[04:05:00] Igg-man: flat panel?
[04:05:00] Cromz: one lcd for myth and the crt for normal computer shyte
[04:05:00] rpete: topping, get xebian 1.1.2, not the older version
[04:06:00] Igg-man: Huh... I would have put them the other way around
[04:06:00] topping: rpete: just in time thanks... any source for that?
[04:06:00] Igg-man: I never thought motion looked the same on an LCD monitor, but they've improved over time
[04:06:00] topping: i found 1.1.0...
[04:06:00] rpete: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/xbox-linux . . . -xbox.tar.gz
[04:06:00] Cromz: Igg-man: naw.. my lcd is a cheapo.. :> text looks liek crap on it.
[04:07:00] Igg-man: Well, okay then, I guess that makes sense
[04:07:00] rpete: topping, and use the mythtv-xbox.0.4.5-beta release
[04:07:00] topping: ah they just didn't update the wiki i guess
[04:07:00] topping: roger that
[04:07:00] rpete: difference with newer xebian is that your xbox will have ip address 192.168.0.10 initially
[04:07:00] Igg-man: rpete: do you need to mod your xbox to install linux?
[04:07:00] Cromz: Igg-man: you live close enough you'll have to see it sometime :P if you ever up in friendly fridley
[04:08:00] Igg-man: I could arrange that sometime
[04:08:00] rpete: Igg-man, no, I let xebian deal with it
[04:08:00] Igg-man: I work in St. Louis Park
[04:08:00] topping: rpete: i just need to be in a dashboard and drop the cd in? my box is hardmodded
[04:08:00] rpete: yeah topping
[04:08:00] topping: awesome... thanks a bunch for your help!
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[04:09:00] rpete: topping, you'll have to modify the xbox-mythtv install.pl script slightly
[04:09:00] topping: for 0.18?
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[04:09:00] Igg-man: cromz: do you have a ham license?
[04:09:00] rpete: for 0.18 there need to be debian packages available, I'm not sure that's the case yet
[04:09:00] Cromz: Igg-man: nope
[04:09:00] Igg-man: ok
[04:09:00] rpete: topping, I suspect it's going to install 0.17
[04:10:00] topping: that might be okay just to get the deps in place
[04:10:00] rpete: yeah
[04:10:00] topping: are there other changes tho?
[04:10:00] topping: (if you remember them right off...)
[04:11:00] rpete: before running install -b, you comment out the use Storable line, and change the $compatible='1.1.0-xbox' to $compatible='1.1.2-xbox'
[04:11:00] rpete: then for install -c, you just have to change the compatible line
[04:12:00] topping: cool. do you just know this from experience or is it documented somewhere?
[04:12:00] rpete: experience :-)
[04:12:00] topping: :-)
[04:12:00] topping: just figured i'd study if there were a trove of good doco somewhere
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[04:14:00] rpete: I could never get install -t (test stage to work) I don't configure nfs mounts like it expects or something
[04:14:00] rpete: so I just edit fstab and go
[04:14:00] rpete: never get install -t to work, that is
[04:15:00] MiX-MaN: anyone here running knoppmyth?
[04:16:00] rpete: topping, also newer xebian has root password 'xebian'
[04:16:00] ** rpete hopes that's all the caveats **
[04:16:00] topping: cool thanks
[04:17:00] topping: !!
[04:17:00] rpete: you seem to know your way around though, you'll have no problems
[04:17:00] topping: i've learned a lot this weekend
[04:17:00] topping: lol
[04:17:00] topping: my first box last week was a 1.6b — trial by fire
[04:21:00] MiX-MaN: man this sux.. what can i delete outta / to get more space.. what about games? would if foobar anything if i just rm them?
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[04:23:00] rpete: /dev/kmem!
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[04:25:00] Uberbot: What does it mean to add a program to a playlist?
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[04:48:00] Beirdo: HMV is full of dumbasses
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[04:48:00] Beirdo: OK, anyone care to guess what section of the record store I finally found Jamiroquai in?
[04:49:00] topping: religious?
[04:49:00] Beirdo: heh, no, but good guess
[04:49:00] slePP: uhm
[04:49:00] slePP: lemme guess
[04:49:00] slePP: Horror?
[04:49:00] Beirdo: heh
[04:49:00] Beirdo: no
[04:49:00] Cromz: hmmmmm cut list?
[04:49:00] Cromz: lol
[04:49:00] Cromz: I know that's not in the record
[04:49:00] slePP: Thriller?
[04:49:00] ** Beirdo slaps Cromz with a trout **
[04:50:00] Beirdo: it was in Electronica
[04:50:00] slePP: Beirdo: http://pastebin.ca/polls.php — my productive day ;>
[04:50:00] topping: that is pretty funny
[04:50:00] slePP: electronica? wtf..?
[04:50:00] topping: / sad
[04:50:00] slePP: oooh. jamiroquai.. not jumangi or whatever
[04:50:00] Beirdo: now tell me... how is Funky Rock (practically disco) Electronica?
[04:50:00] slePP: i wondered why you were buying that movie..
[04:50:00] Beirdo: heheh
[04:51:00] jemarcks: i can see good video when i set the input to svideo0 using ivtvctl -p 0, and cat /dev/video0 to /tmp/test.mpg. then use mplayer to play it back.
[04:51:00] jemarcks: when i fire up mythfrontend, and select livetv i get a black screen and no audio. i set the input in mythsetup to svideo.
[04:52:00] slePP: i bet you were the one that said it's not ugly... awwww..
[04:52:00] Beirdo: ripping Jamiroquai – Synkronized to ogg
[04:53:00] Beirdo: yeah, it's not ugly, it's functional
[04:53:00] slePP: :>
[04:53:00] slePP: i wrote those little bar graph image generator functions about 6years ago.. i never run out of uses for them :>
[04:53:00] Beirdo: hehe
[04:54:00] slePP: for info, the next draw (starting in about a week or so) is for a Polycom IP300
[04:54:00] Beirdo: you'd better give that to me :)
[04:54:00] Beirdo: hehe
[04:54:00] slePP: :>
[04:54:00] ** slePP rigs the votes **
[04:54:00] slePP: er.. entries
[04:54:00] Beirdo: this is good music
[04:54:00] slePP: 'We had only one entrant, Beirdo. He wins... Bastard.'
[04:54:00] Beirdo: hehe
[04:55:00] Beirdo: yeah, let me enter, then connect the entries to /dev/null
[04:55:00] ** slePP grins **
[04:55:00] slePP: 'we received 1,093 entries... somehow, they were piped elsewhere, so we lost them. only one survived.. we believe foul play is involved.'
[04:55:00] Beirdo: we demand a recount
[04:56:00] slePP: and with that, i return to my living room for some television :>
[04:56:00] slePP: bbl
[04:56:00] Beirdo: we got 1025 entries, but the index wrapped
[04:58:00] jemarcks: tarting up as the master server.
[04:58:00] jemarcks: 2005-04–25 21:45:40.421 New DB connection, total: 2
[04:58:00] jemarcks: 2005-04–25 21:45:40.490 Channel(/dev/video0)::Open(): Can't open video device, error "No such file or directory"
[04:58:00] jemarcks: 2005-04–25 21:45:40.504 Channel(/dev/video0)::Open(): Can't open video device, error "No such file or directory"
[04:58:00] jemarcks: 2005-04–25 21:45:40.506 ChannelBase: Could not find input: S-Video 0 on card when setting channel 3
[04:59:00] jemarcks: why doesnt the backend load ivtv?
[05:02:00] CygnusX1: jemarcks, what user did you cat /dev/video0 as?
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[05:11:00] Karleigh: does dual monitor work well with mythtv?
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[05:30:00] mechtn_: i'm definately going to have to come up with a guide for newbies after i figure this out
[05:30:00] mechtn_: for getting all the settings correct for decent recording without all the lag and skipping
[05:30:00] mechtn_: i got my nvidia card working great tho now
[05:30:00] Beirdo: it's completely dependant on your setup
[05:30:00] mechtn_: twinview for dual screens and tv out ..
[05:31:00] Beirdo: you just tweak until it's acceptable
[05:31:00] MiX-MaN: hmm
[05:31:00] MiX-MaN: hardcore PIP
[05:31:00] mechtn_: software encode settings for livetv should be about the same for anyone shouldnt it if they are running p4+ or high end athlon?
[05:32:00] Beirdo: not necessarily
[05:32:00] mechtn_: i got a skipping recording of fresh prince of bel airrra
[05:33:00] Karleigh: how does dual monitoir work with mythtv? can I have dvd on one screen and weather from tv or some other source on other?
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[05:57:00] Cromz: jams you here?
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[06:46:00] phillip37: hi everybody i hope someone can help me in mythtv when i hit the watchtv button the screen goes blank for about 20 seconds then returns to the menu i am running a visionplus high deffinition tv card any suggestions at all
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[06:51:00] Agrajag-: phillip37: what does the backend say?
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[06:53:00] phillip37: i don't know how to look at the backend
[06:54:00] phillip37: but i do have 2 monitors now and 2 mouses and no more switching monitors at all
[06:55:00] Agrajag-: haha ok
[06:55:00] Agrajag-: well stop the backend and run it from a terminal
[06:55:00] phillip37: run what from a terminal
[06:55:00] Agrajag-: it'll print debug stuff which'll give you more of an idea of what's going on
[06:55:00] Agrajag-: mythbackend
[06:55:00] phillip37: ahh ok
[06:56:00] phillip37: so go to a xterm box and type in mythbackend right
[06:56:00] Agrajag-: first killall mythbackend
[06:56:00] Agrajag-: or stop it if knoppmyth
[06:56:00] Agrajag-: provides a way of stopping it
[06:56:00] Agrajag-: perhaps /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop
[06:56:00] Agrajag-: or something
[06:56:00] phillip37: ok
[06:56:00] phillip37: just a second
[06:58:00] phillip37: no such file name or directory
[06:58:00] Agrajag-: hmm well im sure knoppmyth must provide a way of stopping/starting it
[06:58:00] Agrajag-: but you could try just killall mythbackend
[06:58:00] Agrajag-: then do a ps -A and see if it's restarted
[06:59:00] phillip37: how do i know if its restarted
[07:00:00] Agrajag-: ps -A | grep mythbackend
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[07:01:00] phillip37: ok it has thrown down a menu type thing with a whole lot of commands
[07:01:00] Uberbot: Is there any way to save power searches?
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[07:03:00] Agrajag-: phillip37: that's not what that command is supposed to do so make sure you typed it right
[07:04:00] Agrajag-: it's either meant to list a mythbackend process or not print anything
[07:04:00] phillip37: is that letter just after the dash a is it an i or is it an l
[07:04:00] Agrajag-: it's a pipe
[07:05:00] phillip37: what button on the keyboard is that
[07:05:00] Agrajag-: normally shift + backslash
[07:06:00] phillip37: ok done that i typed it in and it just went to the next line nothing else happened is that right
[07:07:00] Agrajag-: yep
[07:07:00] Agrajag-: now just type mythbackend
[07:07:00] phillip37: yep done that
[07:08:00] Agrajag-: now start the front end and watch live tv lik eyou did before
[07:08:00] Agrajag-: then look at what the backend was spitting out in that 20 seconds where you see nothing
[07:08:00] phillip37: how do i start the front end
[07:08:00] Agrajag-: mythfrontend
[07:08:00] phillip37: in the same window
[07:09:00] phillip37: or a different window
[07:09:00] Agrajag-: different
[07:09:00] phillip37: ok now i get a message asking if the backend is running
[07:10:00] Agrajag-: ... well is it?
[07:10:00] Agrajag-: what happened when you typed mythbackend?
[07:10:00] phillip37: i don't know
[07:10:00] Agrajag-: well what does it say
[07:10:00] Agrajag-: dude use some common sense
[07:11:00] Agrajag-: if a message says the backend isn't running, check if it is running.
[07:12:00] phillip37: im looking but i can't see anything saying that it is running and i can't see anything saying its not running ok
[07:13:00] Agrajag-: you typed the commmand mythbackend in a terminal right?
[07:13:00] Agrajag-: what happened when you typed that?
[07:13:00] phillip37: yes i did
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[07:14:00] phillip37: i did it again and it looks like its doing something this time
[07:14:00] phillip37: its running mythfilldatabase now ok
[07:16:00] phillip37: got it going now
[07:16:00] phillip37: and the tv thing went blank again i will look at the window in a second ok
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[07:18:00] phillip37: this time it has frozen can't do anything ok
[07:18:00] phillip37: not a thing
[07:19:00] Agrajag-: just wait, it might time out
[07:19:00] phillip37: not even the mouse is moving at all
[07:20:00] phillip37: its dead as a doornail ok
[07:21:00] phillip37: should i restart and try again
[07:24:00] phillip37: well its not actually dead i just can't get out of it ok but i can do a ctrl alt f2
[07:25:00] phillip37: thats what i can do ok
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[07:26:00] Agrajag-: do that
[07:26:00] Agrajag-: and killall mythfrontend
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[07:27:00] Agrajag-: then go back to X
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[07:28:00] phillip37: how do i get back to x
[07:28:00] phillip37: frontend killed
[07:28:00] Agrajag-: probably ctrl-alt-f7
[07:29:00] phillip37: thank you it worked
[07:31:00] phillip37: main message at the bottom says devb #() error – opening dvb frontend device failed (16) device or resource busy
[07:31:00] phillip37: then tuning error aborting recording
[07:32:00] phillip37: then ttvrec recording prematurely stopped
[07:32:00] phillip37: thats the main messaage that i can read ok
[07:32:00] phillip37: any thoughts at all
[07:37:00] phillip37: are you still their agrajag-
[07:37:00] Agrajag-: yeah back now
[07:38:00] phillip37: ok any thoughts on what might be wrong at all
[07:38:00] Agrajag-: device or resource busy means soething else has the dvb card open
[07:38:00] phillip37: but their is nothing else is their
[07:38:00] Agrajag-: no..
[07:39:00] phillip37: any ideas what might be wrong at all
[07:40:00] Agrajag-: you already have a mythbackend process running when you tried starting that one
[07:40:00] phillip37: yeah well i think so
[07:40:00] phillip37: should i try restarting the computer
[07:40:00] Agrajag-: no..
[07:40:00] phillip37: ok
[07:41:00] Agrajag-: you have to stop mythbackend from wherever it's running from
[07:41:00] Agrajag-: killall mythbackend
[07:41:00] Agrajag-: should do it
[07:41:00] Agrajag-: do a ps -A | grep mythbackend to make sure
[07:41:00] Agrajag-: then do
[07:41:00] Agrajag-: sudo lsof /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0
[07:41:00] Agrajag-: that'll tell you if anything is already using the dvb card
[07:43:00] phillip37: done that should it have said something at all
[07:44:00] Agrajag-: if something was using the dvb card, then yeah, it would've shown the process
[07:44:00] Agrajag-: if nothing came up, start the backend from a terminal again
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[07:44:00] phillip37: ok well nothing came up at all
[07:44:00] phillip37: what next
[07:46:00] Agrajag-: start the backend/frontend and watch live tv..
[07:46:00] phillip37: so do i type mythbackend then mythfrontend right
[07:47:00] Agrajag-: mythbackend.. in a terminal
[07:47:00] phillip37: ok
[07:47:00] Agrajag-: then open a new terminal, and mythfrontend
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[07:49:00] phillip37: nope it says error opening dvb frontend device failed (16) device or resource busy
[07:50:00] phillip37: tuning error aborting recording
[07:50:00] phillip37: no idea what that means at all
[07:50:00] Agrajag-: it means something is already using the tuner
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[07:51:00] phillip37: but their can't be anything else can their
[07:51:00] Agrajag-: do sudo lsof /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0
[07:51:00] Agrajag-: it'll tell you what's using it
[07:52:00] phillip37: is the letter after sudo is it an L or is it an i or is it a pipe
[07:53:00] Agrajag-: it's an l
[07:53:00] Agrajag-: ell
[07:54:00] phillip37: ok
[07:56:00] phillip37: well when i type in that command it says lsof command not found
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[07:57:00] Agrajag-: when you did sudo – did it ask for a password?
[07:58:00] phillip37: yes
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[07:58:00] phillip37: is the sudo one command
[07:58:00] phillip37: then the other is another command after i have done sudo
[07:58:00] Agrajag-: no
[07:58:00] Agrajag-: sudo makes the command run as root
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[07:58:00] MiX-MaN: basicly sudo <command> runs a command as root
[07:59:00] phillip37: ok
[08:00:00] phillip37: its not excepting my password
[08:00:00] phillip37: what do i do now
[08:00:00] MiX-MaN: you typed the password you used to setup the system?
[08:00:00] Agrajag-: type your password in properly
[08:01:00] phillip37: i have
[08:01:00] phillip37: how hard can be to type in a 6 letter password
[08:01:00] Agrajag-: well if it's telling you your password is incorrect, believe me, it's incorrect.
[08:01:00] MiX-MaN: heh
[08:02:00] Agrajag-: are you typing the users password or roots password?
[08:02:00] phillip37: is their a difference
[08:02:00] MiX-MaN: huge difference
[08:02:00] Agrajag-: yes, "there" is
[08:02:00] MiX-MaN: phillip37: have you ever logged in as 'root' ?
[08:02:00] phillip37: when i set it up i used the same password for user and admistrator
[08:03:00] Agrajag-: that wasn't very smart but ok
[08:03:00] Agrajag-: type su
[08:03:00] phillip37: how do i login as root
[08:03:00] Agrajag-: then the password
[08:03:00] MiX-MaN: do what Agrajag- just said
[08:03:00] Agrajag-: then do cat /etc/sudoers
[08:03:00] Agrajag-: see if it lists your normal users name there
[08:04:00] phillip37: no such file or directory
[08:04:00] Agrajag-: ok well just run that command directly
[08:04:00] phillip37: ok give me a minute
[08:04:00] Agrajag-: lsof /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0
[08:09:00] phillip37: it says unknown command
[08:10:00] Agrajag-: ok dunno then
[08:10:00] Agrajag-: i think you need to get yourself a intro book on linux or something
[08:10:00] Agrajag-: or read some docs on how to use linux
[08:13:00] phillip37: are you sure of that command
[08:14:00] Agrajag-: yes. the problem is you don't have it installed.
[08:14:00] Agrajag-: (the package that provides that particular command)
[08:14:00] phillip37: oh ok
[08:14:00] phillip37: how does one install it then
[08:15:00] Agrajag-: with knoppmyth, no idea
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[08:19:00] Agrajag-: poor guy
[08:20:00] Agrajag-: no clue :P
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[08:33:00] phillip37: hi im back
[08:33:00] phillip37: is their a way to change passwords in knoppmyth at all
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[10:22:00] NightMonkey: Howdy. So, I'm running 0.18, and it seems that commercial detection has gotten worse since 0.17 (hey, even worse than 0.16). 0.17 seemed almost perfect to me. Is it just me?
[10:23:00] sarahemm{SA}: i'd noticed that too, actually.
[10:23:00] sarahemm{SA}: i didn't know if it was tv stations trying to make it harder on purpose, or the upgrade
[10:23:00] NightMonkey: Huh. Well, I have shows recorded right up until the upgrade, and it's almost like night and day, the difference in "hits" and "misses".
[10:24:00] sarahemm{SA}: ahh.. i hadn't noticed it 100% other than 'around that time'
[10:24:00] sarahemm{SA}: weiird
[10:26:00] NightMonkey: Trouble is, I don't really know how to report such a "bug", since there's really no way to show the devs "so, here's a part that's the show, and look, that commercial got missed, and, hey, that's not a commercial, and..."
[10:27:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: But, I'd hope that the devs watch TV, too ;).
[10:27:00] sarahemm{SA}: hehee :)
[10:27:00] ** sarahemm{SA} nods, hard bug to reproduce and prove heh **
[10:28:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: And that would be just noise on the mythtv-dev list...
[10:28:00] sarahemm{SA}: yeah..
[10:29:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Well, I'm glad it's not just me and my system. Thanks.
[10:29:00] sarahemm{SA}: nope, seems to be here too.
[10:29:00] sarahemm{SA}: still pretty happy with .18 tho.
[10:32:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Yeah, I'm mixed. FF/Rewing is faster, things definitely seem a bit snappier, but I've had some crashes, and that's not happend to me much at all past .15, But, hey, it's still great.
[10:33:00] sarahemm{SA}: hmm, we've had zero backend crashes with it, ff/rewind is good, the interface itself seems a lot snappier, and captioning is fixed
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[10:34:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: What's your capture card?
[10:34:00] sarahemm{SA}: bttv
[10:34:00] sarahemm{SA}: tv wonder
[10:34:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: I hear more and more good things about that card.
[10:34:00] sarahemm{SA}: we're going to pick up a PVR-500 as soon as i have enough spare time to sort out how captioning works and add it to the drivers
[10:34:00] sarahemm{SA}: NightMonkey: it works well, but software encoding eats CPU and it's hard to find now (ooold)
[10:34:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: I have a PVR-350, and VBI is still a work in progress.
[10:34:00] sarahemm{SA}: yeah, i know.
[10:35:00] sarahemm{SA}: which is the main reason we still run a bttv card :)
[10:36:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Gotcha. What's weird is that I'm able to see the data in the VBI stream when playing live TV, but something with the drivers I have (which is old, 0.2x branch, fwiw), but not from recorded shows.
[10:36:00] sarahemm{SA}: ahh... very weird then.
[10:36:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: I see that Chris K. has been focusing on VBI lately.
[10:36:00] sarahemm{SA}: oh? i'm not on the -dev list, suppose i should be :)
[10:36:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Maybe it's that box of black tape (for his skateboard) I sent him ;).
[10:37:00] sarahemm{SA}: i know .18 fixed it nicely, even with bttv there was some corruption before, but it was still usable. it'd been there since pre-.12 even
[10:37:00] NightMonkey: I haven't tried Live TV yet with 0.18, so maybe it's there.
[10:38:00] sarahemm{SA}: i know ivtv doesn't have stable vbi suppor tyet..
[10:38:00] sarahemm{SA}: bttv drivers themself do
[10:40:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Are you going for the PVR-500 just to offload CPU usage, or for picture quality, or ?
[10:41:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Oh, and FYI: ivtv-dev is archived at Gossamer.
[10:41:00] sarahemm{SA}: we'd like to have more than one tuner
[10:41:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Gotcha.
[10:41:00] sarahemm{SA}: the box won't have enough CPU for two if they're not hardware encoders, and also it only has one PCI slot :)
[10:42:00] sarahemm{SA}: picture quality with this is fine, but a second tuner would be really nice :)
[10:42:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: A Shuttle?
[10:42:00] sarahemm{SA}: yeah.
[10:42:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: I heart my Shuttle.
[10:42:00] sarahemm{SA}: hehe, us too.
[10:42:00] NightMonkey: Shuttle(s)
[10:42:00] sarahemm{SA}: the bright blue light in the front lights up the entire hallway upstairs too, it's handy ;)
[10:43:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Hah! Yeah, it's a nightlight for us, too.
[10:44:00] NightMonkey: I finally tried running Mythfrontend from my desktop PC, and I'm amazed at how well it works. Now, just got to get WinMyth working on my girlfriend's Shuttle.
[10:44:00] ** sarahemm{SA} nods **
[10:45:00] NightMonkey: She's on 802.11b, tho, so it won't be quite so nice.
[10:45:00] sarahemm{SA}: me and my partner both have it on our laptops for random use, and we have a dedicated frontend on the xbox here
[10:45:00] ** sarahemm{SA} is on 802.11b also, works fine **
[10:45:00] sarahemm{SA}: we're mostly linux in this house tho so :)
[10:46:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Yeah, I tried. She needs MS Access for work, so that's not gonna work. But she's not opposed to it if a good F/OSS replacement comes along.
[10:46:00] sarahemm{SA}: *nods* i dualboot my laptop because i need visio and such for work, but she's all-linux
[10:47:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Ah, Visio. Dia just isn't quite there, yet.
[10:47:00] sarahemm{SA}: heh, that's an understatement ;)
[10:47:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Funny, considering how many network folks use Linux.
[10:48:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Well, I guess there's Wine.
[10:48:00] ** sarahemm{SA} nods, i'm a network grrl :) **
[10:48:00] sarahemm{SA}: true.. i just dualboot *shrug*
[10:48:00] sarahemm{SA}: games don't like linux either, so that's another reason.
[10:49:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Well, there's principle, and then there's getting work done. Wine is great, but when it crashes just at the wrong time... Or a dialog gets frozen...
[10:50:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: I'm not too hard to please with games, these days. ut2004/ET/Doom3 run great on Linux, but, yeah, they get boring.
[10:50:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: But, no doubt, Windows is where it's at, right now, for games.
[10:50:00] ** sarahemm{SA} nods :) **
[10:50:00] sarahemm{SA}: bootig back and forth doesn't take long, doesn't bother me that much.
[10:50:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: I've been toying with getting VMware.
[10:51:00] sarahemm{SA}: winmyth isn't quite there yet tho (again, understatement) so linux is better for that..
[10:51:00] sarahemm{SA}: i have an icon on my windows desktop here that boots up linux in vmware.. works great :)
[10:51:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Ach. I was hoping WinMyth wasn't too buggy ... :9
[10:51:00] NightMonkey: :(
[10:52:00] NightMonkey: Well, mythstreamTV works, too.
[10:53:00] sarahemm{SA}: i've never gotten winmyth to actually work on any box so far =-/
[10:53:00] sarahemm{SA}: dsmyth directshow plugin works tho, but the interface sucks
[10:53:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Have you tried mythstream?
[10:53:00] sarahemm{SA}: ooh, no! that looks cool!
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[10:53:00] sarahemm{SA}: how is it?
[10:53:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Works with Windows Media Player, and Quicktime.
[10:54:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: I really like it. It works well even over a 768kbs upload DSL line.
[10:54:00] sarahemm{SA}: i wonder if i could set up streaming to work... night shifts i take stuff in on DVD usually for when it's quiet
[10:54:00] sarahemm{SA}: cool :)
[10:54:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: (with tuning)
[10:54:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: It does eat some CPU on the backend box, tho.
[10:54:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: (since it has to re-encode on the fly)
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[10:55:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: I suppose you could re-nice Apache, to lower the impact.
[10:56:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: I'm working on a PVR-350-centric DVD burning howto. Mostly based on David Greave's posts to mythtv-users (avidmux2, dvd-styler, burn).
[10:57:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: It assumes that the stream is MPEG2/MP2 stream, so its pretty easy. How do you burn DVDs?
[10:57:00] sarahemm{SA}: oh, just nuvexport to divx and burn onto dvd-rs
[10:58:00] sarahemm{SA}: not actually burning a video dvd
[10:58:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Ah. That's cool.
[10:58:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: I'm burning for archival purposes, to play on DVD players, so it's a bit more complex. Plus, I didn't want to get DB connections all set up with nuvexport to use it on a non-myth box.
[10:58:00] sarahemm{SA}: *nods* it works. streaming would be easier tho :)
[10:59:00] sarahemm{SA}: clear
[10:59:00] sarahemm{SA}: err, ignore that clear
[10:59:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: And the mythstream scripts set up a VLC "controler" server, so you can skip around in the video, too.
[11:00:00] sarahemm{SA}: nifty :)
[11:00:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Can't tell it to "skip commercials", tho.
[11:00:00] sarahemm{SA}: true.
[11:00:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: You'll have to do some port forwarding for the controller http page, tho.
[11:01:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: A really neat thing is that you can have multiple PCs watching the streams at the same time (depending on bandwidth constraints, of course).
[11:02:00] sarahemm{SA}: port forwarding shouldn't be an issue heh
[11:02:00] sarahemm{SA}: *nods*
[11:03:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: It also might be helped by doing ssh proxying w/compression, too.
[11:03:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Not sure how well that compression works on MPEG2 (or divx).
[11:05:00] sarahemm{SA}: probably not great.
[11:05:00] sarahemm{SA}: 800k upstream DSL should work okay.
[11:05:00] NightMonkey: Indeed, it does.
[11:05:00] sarahemm{SA}: we're QOS'ed too so i can make sure it gets enough bandwidth
[11:05:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: Fancy.
[11:06:00] sarahemm{SA}: hehe
[11:07:00] NightMonkey: Gotta replace that BEFSR11 I've got sometime. So I can get some network traffic shaping features.
[11:07:00] ** sarahemm{SA} shrugs, i dunno how it works, my partner set that up and manages it.. it just seems to work most of the time :) **
[11:07:00] sarahemm{SA}: we're running a linux box.. i handle most of it, but she runs the QoS part, linux-based-qos isn't something i've done..
[11:08:00] NightMonkey: sarahemm{SA}: OK, gotta hit the hay. Nice chatting with you.
[11:08:00] sarahemm{SA}: nite nite :)
[11:09:00] NightMonkey: Ciao.
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[11:26:00] Agrajag-: anyone happen to know speed/quality differences between ffmpeg and transcode for xvid?
[11:26:00] Agrajag-: xris isn't about :/
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[11:47:00] veritanuda: Morning All :)
[11:48:00] veritanuda: Got a curious kind of question about mythtranscode... anyone feel like enlightening me?
[11:52:00] sarahemm{SA}: we can try :)
[11:52:00] ** sarahemm{SA} not that familiar with it, though.. **
[11:53:00] veritanuda: Well just a simple question as to what format is it actually ending up as... cause for the life of me I cannot get mplayer to make proper sense of it..
[11:56:00] sarahemm{SA}: hrm, what format are you trying to generate?
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[11:58:00] veritanuda: mpeg4
[11:58:00] veritanuda: Setting all all correct...
[11:59:00] veritanuda: and I let it trundle along doing it's thing.. but in the end I end up with something that is named .nuv but ceases to be playable by mplayer..
[11:59:00] veritanuda: yet mythtv plays it back ok.. which I find curious..
[12:01:00] veritanuda: I can playback the normal recordings before they are transcoded fine.. so nupple codec is recognised..
[12:01:00] sarahemm{SA}: err, it's probably in nuppelvideo-mpeg4 format then
[12:01:00] sarahemm{SA}: oh.. hrm.
[12:01:00] sarahemm{SA}: i dunno then.. i use nuvexport, seems to work best for me
[12:02:00] veritanuda: nuvexport? I can run that over the nuv files after they are transcoded is that it?
[12:03:00] sarahemm{SA}: no, it handles running mythtranscode and everything for you
[12:03:00] sarahemm{SA}: you run it, it displays a list of shows, you say what you want to export, and to what format, what bitrate,etc, and it does it
[12:03:00] Agrajag-: sarahemm{SA}: do you export to xvid?
[12:04:00] sarahemm{SA}: i use divx
[12:04:00] sarahemm{SA}: why do you ask?
[12:04:00] Agrajag-: ah k. do you use ffmpeg or transcode?
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[12:04:00] sarahemm{SA}: transcode
[12:04:00] Agrajag-: im just trying to figure out if one has any benefits over the other
[12:05:00] veritanuda: trancode I beleive..
[12:05:00] Agrajag-: veritanuda: eh? nuvexport can use either ffmpeg or transcode
[12:05:00] veritanuda: I know ffmpegis faster but I was told the quality is better with transcode.. though dunno why given they share the same libs?
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[12:05:00] sarahemm{SA}: i dunno. i've used nuvexport since transcode was the only option, so i just stick with that
[12:06:00] Agrajag-: fair enough
[12:06:00] veritanuda: Where is that set up then for nuvexport?
[12:06:00] Agrajag-: i remember xris making some comments about the two and which was better for xvid, but can't remember
[12:06:00] sarahemm{SA}: it's in the format to export menu
[12:06:00] Agrajag-: veritanuda: --transcode or --ffmpeg
[12:06:00] sarahemm{SA}: there's options for divx, xvid, etc, under both transcode and ffmpeg
[12:06:00] sarahemm{SA}: hrm. there's menu options too aren't there Agrajag- ?
[12:06:00] veritanuda: Ahhh I see..
[12:06:00] Agrajag-: hmm not in the version i have
[12:07:00] sarahemm{SA}: hrm okay
[12:07:00] veritanuda: Guess been going about this the wrong way, I thought the transcoding bit would be exporting it as well Doh! live n learn huh?
[12:07:00] sarahemm{SA}: hrm, me either. i dunno what i was thinking of :)
[12:08:00] sarahemm{SA}: veritanuda: heh :) nuvexport is nifty.
[12:08:00] ** sarahemm{SA} still needs to submit that patch to export captions with it.. i should do that this week. **
[12:08:00] veritanuda: Yeah I can tell, nifty and not so well talked about ;)
[12:09:00] sarahemm{SA}: heh, it gets talked about a fair amount here..
[12:09:00] veritanuda: I feel thoroughly enlightened guys.. cheers..
[12:09:00] veritanuda: Well quite.. good thing I turned up huh ? ;)
[12:09:00] sarahemm{SA}: heh :)
[12:10:00] veritanuda: okie doke.. guess I have some batch exporting to do.. Thanks for the help peeps.. catch you if I have any other head scratchers..
[12:10:00] veritanuda: Y'all have fun.. :)
[12:11:00] veritanuda: *waves merrily and is gone* *POP*
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[12:48:00] kaaspad: hey anyone here ?
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[13:05:00] Ivan_A: does anyone here know if its possible to get transcoding jobs to run on a slave backend?
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[13:46:00] jemarcks: help. mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0 works with input into svideo0. When i start mythfrontend and select livetv, i get a black screen and no audio.
[13:46:00] jemarcks: i think ivtv is working but myth isnt.
[13:50:00] Agrajag-: i think you probably haven't set up myth right
[13:53:00] jemarcks: yeah... i think so to but i dont know where to look. i set the input to svideo for the capture card. then setup a input connection for it.
[13:53:00] Agrajag-: hmm not sure i dont use ivtv
[13:53:00] jemarcks: i ran alsamixer and un-muted the master volume :)
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[13:56:00] veritanuda: Lo all, how's it hanging :)
[13:57:00] veritanuda: Anyone recognise this?
[13:57:00] veritanuda: Enable deinterlacing? [Yes]
[13:57:00] veritanuda: Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/export_Trans_XviD.pm line 107.
[13:57:00] veritanuda: transcode v0.6.10 (C) 2001–2003 Thomas Oestreich
[13:57:00] veritanuda: [transcode] auto-probing source /var/lib/mythtv//1000_20050329210000_20050329220000.nuv (failed)
[13:57:00] veritanuda: [transcode] V: import format | unknown (V=mpeg2|A=(null))
[13:57:00] veritanuda: [transcode] V: import frame | 720x576 1.25:1
[13:57:00] veritanuda: [transcode] V: zoom | 640x480 1.33:1 (Lanczos3)
[13:57:00] veritanuda: [transcode] V: bits/pixel | 0.067 (low)
[13:57:00] veritanuda: [transcode] V: decoding fps,frc | 25.000,0
[13:57:00] veritanuda: [transcode] V: Y'CbCr | YV12/I420
[13:57:00] veritanuda: [transcode] A: import format | 0x2001 AC3/A52 [48000,16,2]
[13:57:00] veritanuda: [transcode] A: export format | 0x55 MPEG layer-3 [48000,16,2] 64 kbps
[13:57:00] veritanuda: [transcode] V: encoding fps,frc | 25.000,3
[13:57:00] veritanuda: [transcode] A: bytes per frame | 7680 (7680.000000)
[13:57:00] veritanuda: [transcode] A: adjustment | 0@1000
[13:57:00] veritanuda: [transcode] V: IA32 accel mode | 3dnow (3dnow mmxext mmx asm)
[13:57:00] veritanuda: [transcode] V: video buffer | 10 @ 720x576
[13:57:00] veritanuda: [import_mpeg2.so] v0.3.0 (2002-12–05) (video) MPEG2
[13:57:00] veritanuda: (decoder.c) audio codec not supported by import module
[13:58:00] veritanuda: [transcode] failed to init import modules
[13:58:00] veritanuda: [transcode] critical: plug-in initialization failed
[13:58:00] veritanuda: Should I worry about " Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/local/share/nuvexport/export_Trans_XviD.pm line 107"
[13:59:00] GreyFoxx: Dude, learn how to use pastebin.com
[13:59:00] veritanuda: Ahhh righty-ho.. sorry.
[13:59:00] GreyFoxx: The uninitialized variable is not necessarily a problem. IT's just a warning
[14:00:00] GreyFoxx: It depends on what's being done with it :)
[14:01:00] veritanuda: Is it utilised in this case is what I want to know.. I can see it is complaining about not having a valid import audio lib to play with but would that be related I wonder?
[14:02:00] veritanuda: I thought AC3 -> MP3 was ok myself?
[14:03:00] GreyFoxx: Being that I don't use nuvexport I can't truly say, however you have the code and can easily take a look :)
[14:04:00] veritanuda: Sure .. anyone can easily take a look .. it actually the understanding that takes some effort ;)
[14:05:00] veritanuda: Nah it looks like that is just to do with cut lists and the like.. so.. no dice there.
[14:06:00] veritanuda: Must be this import_mpeg2 lib.. hmmm why did it pick that one I wonder..
[14:07:00] GreyFoxx: I'll have to try out nuvexport agian one of these days. last time I looked at it was well over a year ago
[14:07:00] GreyFoxx: and I know it's very different now
[14:07:00] veritanuda: Well how do you export your vid normally then?
[14:07:00] GreyFoxx: I don't
[14:08:00] veritanuda: Ahh hah.. a cunning plan ;)
[14:08:00] GreyFoxx: Or I should say it's exceedly rare that I do
[14:08:00] GreyFoxx: and when I do I do it manually
[14:08:00] veritanuda: Fairy Nuff..
[14:09:00] GreyFoxx: though just to save myself from remembering the options evvery time I put them in a script and just type ./xvidgen.sh source.mpg output.avi
[14:09:00] GreyFoxx: heh
[14:11:00] veritanuda: Yup.. I had one of those for downcoding dvbd progs.. obviously if I was gonna use Myth figured I would see what they did to make it easier :)
[14:12:00] GreyFoxx: heh
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[14:14:00] veritanuda: hmm interesting.. just download the latest tarball of nuvexport has a nifty little util called nuvinfo.. but look what I get when I use it :) (pastebin this time)
[14:15:00] veritanuda: again false apart identifying the audio codec... curious no?
[14:15:00] veritanuda: falls
[14:16:00] veritanuda: what has Mythtv been doing to my nuv's ;)
[14:16:00] GreyFoxx: The problem is more likely a missing library that the transcode stuiff needs for handling mpeg2 audio
[14:17:00] GreyFoxx: I seem to remember having to install something (mjpeg maybe?) last time I compiled transcode to get mpeg2 import to work. But that could have been for export.
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[14:19:00] veritanuda: hmm could be.. trouble is I am using Debian and sorta cobbling things together by hand to make it work smooth.. I could well have missed a dependancy somewhere.
[14:19:00] GreyFoxx: Well, if you are compiling I believe there is a README or INSTALL file in the transcode source that tells yoiu what you need for various plugins
[14:21:00] veritanuda: Not compiling from scratch no.. just pulling down what I need someone else has made.. but I will double check I think.
[14:24:00] veritanuda: ahhh hah..
[14:24:00] veritanuda: look like the new version of nuvexport has better detection.. :)
[14:25:00] veritanuda: Gives the option to specify the transcode codecs and thus actually picks the right one.. I am pleased :)
[14:25:00] veritanuda: Sorry to fill the channel with chatter but well.. looks so dull otherwise right ;)
[14:26:00] veritanuda: Later peeps.. onward and upward.. :)
[14:26:00] ikaro: anyone else getting flooded with messages like this in the syslog:
[14:26:00] ikaro: ivtv: ENC IRQ OVERFLOW: #60 Stealing a Buffer, 2 currently allocated
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[15:09:00] Ivan_A: anyone know if distributed transcoding is on the plan for being implemented?
[15:11:00] Riff-Raff: what do you exactly mean?
[15:16:00] lucas333: I thought it was already implemented.
[15:17:00] Ivan_A: well I dont seem to be able to transcode files on anything but the master backend
[15:17:00] lucas333: IIRC the new jobqueue stuff should allow slave backends to execute jobs as well.
[15:17:00] Ivan_A: I'd like to be able to do it on the frontend, but the logs just say
[15:17:00] lucas333: going from memory though..
[15:18:00] lucas333: do you run a slave backend on your frontend machine?
[15:18:00] Ivan_A: Attempted to transcode myth://192.168.1.64:6543/1028_20050425090000_20050425093000.nuv. Mythtranscode is currently unable to transcode remote files.
[15:18:00] Ivan_A: yes I do
[15:19:00] Ivan_A: that's from the log on my frontend machine (running a slave backend)
[15:19:00] lucas333: hmm.. how do initiate that transcode?
[15:19:00] Ivan_A: from the main GUI on the frontend
[15:19:00] Ivan_A: in 'manage recordings'
[15:19:00] lucas333: hmm.. well then it looks like my memory is lacking.
[15:20:00] Ivan_A: commflagging seems to work fine on both backends
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[15:21:00] lucas333: strange... I haven't looked much at the transcoding code, but it should be similar to the commflagging.
[15:22:00] lucas333: Time to start picking up myth development I guess :p
[15:23:00] Ivan_A: this is in 0.18
[15:24:00] Ivan_A: on the status page for either backend I just get 'errored' in red
[15:24:00] Ivan_A: for the transcoding jobs
[15:42:00] laga: great. ffmpeg CVS is broken.
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[15:45:00] phon: hello
[15:45:00] phon: anyone following the ivtv driver development progress ?
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[16:30:00] cslinuxboy: Hello all... Does anyone know how to speed up the changing of channels using ivtv/pvr150? Thanks in advance.
[16:40:00] Beirdo: no. and you're welcome
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[16:48:00] lucas333: cslinuxboy: nah.. you can buy two more and have them always tuned into the channel you're watching now +1, and the other -1..
[16:48:00] lucas333: :)
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[17:38:00] laga: xris: hi. i've just noticed the new nuvexportrc stuff (well, probably old news..) but it's just great. nuvexport now has everything i have ever wanted :)
[17:38:00] Beirdo: heh. Click on some of his ads :)
[17:38:00] Beirdo: and feel free to click on mine too :)
[17:38:00] Beirdo: heh
[17:39:00] xris: laga: :)
[17:39:00] xris: or buy me a giant yeast.  :)
[17:40:00] xris: need to get my family to get me those... too bad my birthday came and went already.
[17:41:00] Beirdo: express your enthusiasm and gratitude by clicking on ads :)
[17:41:00] Beirdo: hehe
[17:42:00] laga: brb, gotta click some ads
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[17:51:00] xris: w00t
[17:52:00] Beirdo: hmph ;)
[17:52:00] Beirdo: nobody clicks my ads anymore :(
[17:53:00] laga: i did.
[17:53:00] Beirdo: well, it's not reporting it yet. :)
[17:53:00] Beirdo: Thanks, dude
[17:53:00] laga: no problem
[17:53:00] Beirdo: Totals 40,960 292 0.7% $0.94 $38.44
[17:54:00] Beirdo: I get a decent number of impressions, few clicks
[17:55:00] laga: hehe
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[18:00:00] xris: Beirdo: me, too
[18:00:00] xris: Totals 39,491 326 0.8% $1.50 $59.16
[18:01:00] xris: more than you, though
[18:03:00] stoffel: xris: mythweb feature request: allow editinf of the xmltv id's in the channel editor
[18:05:00] Beirdo: I got more hits, yours were more profitable :)
[18:05:00] Beirdo: and you got more clicks
[18:05:00] stoffel: so not all clicks are equal?
[18:05:00] xris: stoffel: awaiting patch.  :)
[18:05:00] Beirdo: you should be getting a check any time
[18:06:00] stoffel: xris: hehe, that's just fair
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[18:38:00] ARCh1V1st: can MythTV display InternetTV listings, without creating them manually??
[18:39:00] ARCh1V1st: any plugins/easy way to add them into MythTV's interface?
[18:39:00] A`: internet tv listings? as in listings of broadcast tv from the internet?
[18:40:00] A`: or some sort of video over ip thing?
[18:40:00] ARCh1V1st: no, as in InternetTV  :)
[18:40:00] ARCh1V1st: check out WebTVlist.com
[18:40:00] ARCh1V1st: very cool :)
[18:41:00] ARCh1V1st: There are applications, on Windoz that i've seen, which display just the stream, stripping away all website advertisements
[18:41:00] ARCh1V1st: i'd like to have this in MythTV, prefereably with the ability to record :)
[18:42:00] GreyFoxx: Then it's time to crack out the old editor and get coding :) I'm sure others would find it useful :)
[18:43:00] ARCh1V1st: exactly what im thinking!!!
[18:45:00] ARCh1V1st: does anyone know of any InternetTV text listings, which are plaintext (and point directly to the stream)?
[18:54:00] Beirdo: nope
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[19:10:00] CyberKnet: gmail space increasing again
[19:12:00] kormoc: it always has
[19:12:00] kormoc: they are moving towards infinanty +1
[19:13:00] CyberKnet: I never realized it kept moving
[19:14:00] laga: i wonder if they're buying hdds like mad
[19:14:00] kormoc: http://www.ifelse.co.uk/images/gmail_bday1.png
[19:14:00] kormoc: laga, my understanding is they never stoped buying hard drives like mad :)
[19:15:00] laga: hehe ;)
[19:15:00] kormoc: that's a screen shot of gmail on april fools, the graph amuses me ever so
[19:16:00] CyberKnet: I saw april fools
[19:16:00] CyberKnet: it was counting up to 2GB, and reached it at midnight
[19:17:00] kormoc: yeah, I get a few extra megs a day
[19:19:00] CyberKnet: I guess their point is "No matter how many GB we give you, you'll never fill it all"
[19:19:00] ** CyberKnet only uses several hundred MB **
[19:20:00] laga: they actually hope that you'll never use it ;)
[19:20:00] laga: i think.
[19:20:00] kormoc: I use 3 megs :)
[19:20:00] laga: i use a few kb..let me log in ;)
[19:21:00] ** slePP waves at laga. how's the translation? **
[19:21:00] laga: slePP: well ;). but it takes some time, translating isnt always easy ;)
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[19:23:00] CyberKnet: today it is counting up to 2,150
[19:24:00] CyberKnet: as witnessed by javascript:alert(CP[CP.length – 1][1]);
[19:24:00] slePP: laga: understood :> are you working on it right now? if not, i'll take what you have, merge it together, and send you back the updated de.po
[19:26:00] CyberKnet: (relevant code is in javascript function updateQuota() for those interested)
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[19:27:00] mchou: Beirdo: you around?
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[19:31:00] CyberKnet: Nope, he's with the goat out back
[19:31:00] CyberKnet: your turn will be soon. be patient.
[19:32:00] laga: slePP: expect a mail in a minute or two.
[19:36:00] slePP: laga: got it
[19:36:00] laga: :)
[19:38:00] slePP: nice.. very nice
[19:38:00] ** slePP merges **
[19:39:00] laga: slePP: most translations aren't perfect at the moment. i'll improve them ;)
[19:40:00] slePP: did you set any of your translations to be 'fuzzy'?
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[19:42:00] slePP: laga: interested in getting pastebin.de for me? i don't think i can buy it
[19:42:00] laga: slePP: yep. many of them :)
[19:42:00] laga: slePP: domainns are like 10 euro/year here.
[19:42:00] slePP: nice.
[19:43:00] slePP: the .ca is $20+ :>
[19:43:00] laga: :/
[19:43:00] slePP: CAD, though
[19:43:00] slePP: so, i suppose about $10 EUR
[19:44:00] laga: oh, yep. almost the same.
[19:44:00] slePP: http://de.pastebin.ca/what.php
[19:44:00] slePP: how's that? :>
[19:44:00] slePP: new de.po is at http://pastebin.ca/po/de.po
[19:45:00] slePP: it has marked some strings as fuzzy, which means it won't use them in the website because it either filled it in autoamtically, or the string changed slightly since the translation. it'll make them a funny colour in poEdit.. you may just want to read them and see that they still match the english (should be fine)
[19:46:00] laga: ok.
[19:46:00] ** laga collapses in pain **
[19:46:00] slePP: heh. of translation? :>
[19:46:00] laga: some of the translations suck, gotta take a look at them again ;)
[19:46:00] slePP: hehe
[19:47:00] slePP: i'm sure they're 100 times better than google did for my french one :>
[19:47:00] laga: umm, yep. at least i hope so ;)
[19:47:00] slePP: hehe
[19:48:00] slePP: oh right. someone _has_ pastebin.de
[19:48:00] laga: sad
[19:48:00] laga: we could try to take them over ;)
[19:48:00] slePP: we could :>
[19:48:00] slePP: but i imagine they speak german and i don't :>
[19:48:00] Beirdo: nein
[19:49:00] CyberKnet: mchou: Your turn with the goat now.
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[19:52:00] Beirdo: oh yay.
[19:52:00] Beirdo: got to finish the demo in a few minutes
[19:53:00] laga: why are you wasting your time here then? ;)
[19:53:00] slePP: so i implemented modified preorder tree traversal in the pastebin lastnight
[19:53:00] ** slePP was _bored_ **
[19:53:00] slePP: it's cool, though :>
[19:54:00] CyberKnet: slePP: Hmm... that should be ... interesting? ... =)
[19:58:00] slePP: it is :>
[19:58:00] ** laga wonders wtf slepp is talking about and goes back to his homework **
[19:59:00] slePP: i was looking into tracking trees of changes to pastes
[19:59:00] slePP: so you could find the changes over time.. and i usually use what i guess is called the 'adjency model'
[19:59:00] slePP: where you have a parent ID in each child, and so on
[19:59:00] slePP: but that means you have to do X lookups where X is the depth of the tree
[19:59:00] slePP: so it's slow
[19:59:00] slePP: so i did some reading.. and the modified preorder stuff makes it more into a binary tree. it's very neat :>
[19:59:00] slePP: very very fast
[19:59:00] CyberKnet: Yeah. It's a trade off of speed vs size
[20:00:00] CyberKnet: in the general case without preorder
[20:00:00] slePP: nah.. modified preorder is two integer fields, adjency is single integer field
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[20:00:00] slePP: i'd say the size is pretty much equivalent given the rest of the data set it's working with (114 megs of post content, maybe 1mb of tree data vs. 500k of adjency data)
[20:02:00] CyberKnet: erm... I was actually referring to using a change model vs not, not adjency vs preorder
[20:02:00] slePP: oh :>
[20:02:00] ** slePP isn't tracking changes in a diff fashion **
[20:02:00] slePP: just heirarchy of posts
[20:02:00] slePP: http://pastebin.ca/tree.php?id=10339
[20:03:00] slePP: (all those posts expired, since they were just tests, but the tree survives)
[20:04:00] slePP: i would like to produce Diff's, i think
[20:04:00] CyberKnet: Oracle has a parent->child connection clause that works very nicely in this case
[20:04:00] CyberKnet: but it's a two integer system
[20:04:00] slePP: but i can do that on the fly easily enough, instead of storing diff's
[20:04:00] CyberKnet: post_id, and parent_id
[20:04:00] ** slePP nods. **
[20:05:00] slePP: my tree is a 4 int.. tree_id, since each initial post is its own root, then bin_id which is the data itself, and finally lft and rgt
[20:07:00] slePP: anyhow, i'm just all self-satisfied with my newly learnt toy of trees :>
[20:07:00] CyberKnet: =)
[20:08:00] CyberKnet: sql server has no heirachial selection clause like oracle's 'connect by'. They say "use a stored procedure".
[20:08:00] slePP: heh
[20:08:00] slePP: recursive SQL is not pretty
[20:09:00] slePP: in all the times i've done parent-child tables, i've always wanted a nicer way to do it.. cuz doing 100 lookups for 120 items is just sloooooooow
[20:09:00] slePP: but, now i can do an entire 1,000 node tree in 0.225ms
[20:10:00] CyberKnet: yeah. even pulling the data into an array and traversing the array with a recursive function still takes quite some time.
[20:11:00] CyberKnet: you can limit that some by ordering the data in the array in a particular way, but it never gets to the point here I would call it 'trivial'
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[20:11:00] laga: thanks for reminding that i dont want to study computer science
[20:12:00] CyberKnet: laga: I never studied computer science...
[20:12:00] slePP: yeh. trees are not what most languages are optimized for
[20:12:00] laga: CyberKnet: hehe
[20:12:00] slePP: hence lisp :>
[20:12:00] ** slePP pets lisp **
[20:12:00] CyberKnet: I'm the modern equivalent to a 'shade tree mechanic' =)
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[20:15:00] ** slePP twiddles his thumbs. **
[20:15:00] slePP: so.. now i have these pretty trees... where or where should i put that information
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[20:17:00] CyberKnet: slePP: Heh heh. "I discovered method X! Hmmm... where can I use it?"
[20:17:00] abarbaccia: hey all – anybody running knoppmyth on a pundit?
[20:17:00] CyberKnet: abarbaccia: nope
[20:17:00] CyberKnet: abarbaccia: nobody at all =)
[20:17:00] slePP: CyberKnet: i do that all day :>
[20:17:00] slePP: 'Look what I made SER do! Now.. uhm....... I'm the only person who would ever use that feature. Damn it.'
[20:17:00] abarbaccia: CyberKnet, for real, i wouldn't be surprised...seems like nobody is really
[20:17:00] ** slePP tried knoppmyth on his laptop **
[20:17:00] slePP: the laptop died
[20:17:00] ** slePP gave up **
[20:17:00] laga: hehe.
[20:17:00] slePP: it was using the VESA driver...
[20:17:00] slePP: i got about 3fps
[20:18:00] CyberKnet: slePP: "Oh wow! I just wrote the sweetest recursive multi-threaded template ... where can I use this? Hmmm.. this file finder is limited by network bandwidth... aah what the hell, it'll be great!"
[20:18:00] slePP: and i couldn't get the nVidia geForce2GO chipset to load on knoppmyth
[20:18:00] abarbaccia: It's the oddest thing ever, it installs fine, recognises the card, but refuses to playback any sort of video but static
[20:18:00] laga: i tried an older version of knoppmyth. it didnt like my laptop because it was running an old 2.4 series kernel.
[20:18:00] slePP: CyberKnet: hehehehe
[20:18:00] slePP: CyberKnet: yup
[20:18:00] slePP: CyberKnet: under geeksanon.ca, i have about 500 projects in /projects.. (most are not public).
[20:18:00] slePP: of all of those, i've only found people care to ever use about 6 of them
[20:19:00] abarbaccia: laga, i don't think the kernel is the issue with my pundit not wanting to playback video..do you?
[20:19:00] CyberKnet: slePP: more than me. =)
[20:19:00] slePP: CyberKnet: http://pastebin.ca/polls.php
[20:19:00] laga: great. i have 1ms lag to the remote machine where i'm ssh'ed hin. typing is laggy as hell.
[20:19:00] slePP: see, i wrote that bar graph generator years back. and i use it everywhere.. just because i spent the time writing it. but it's entirely useless :>
[20:19:00] ** CyberKnet uses pastebin.ca *all* the time **
[20:19:00] laga: abarbaccia: i dont know. sounds more like a bad driver for your tv card.
[20:19:00] slePP: CyberKnet: help me buy pastebin.com ;>
[20:20:00] ** slePP made an offer, the guy came back asking for about 8 times more :> **
[20:20:00] CyberKnet: slePP: errr... why? pastebin.ca is just as useful name =)
[20:20:00] CyberKnet: get pastebin.info instead =)
[20:20:00] ** slePP grins **
[20:20:00] ** slePP wants the prior traffic of pastebin.com **
[20:20:00] CyberKnet: new poll "Should pastebin.ca support more languages for syntax hilighting?"
[20:20:00] slePP: but, see... i just want it because i enjoy seeing my projects get used. so far, pastebin.ca is my most popular one :>
[20:21:00] slePP: i know the answer to that poll... it's a matter of having the balls to replace the highlighting engine
[20:21:00] xris: slePP: you wrote pastebin.ca?
[20:21:00] slePP: i have it done, i think. but i don't trust it :>
[20:21:00] slePP: it has about 120 languages in the new engine
[20:21:00] slePP: xris: yessir
[20:21:00] xris: sweet. are you going to release the code?
[20:21:00] slePP: from _scratch_. not one of those pastebin.com cut'n'pastes ;>
[20:21:00] slePP: xris: i've given it to one person, but not really.... it's a mangled mess of very picky stuff
[20:21:00] slePP: like postgresql w/ openfts
[20:22:00] slePP: so i did http://pastebin.ca/makesub.php instead
[20:22:00] xris: you should clean it up and release it. much nicer than pastebin.com
[20:22:00] slePP: i started version 2 of it... that's geared as a release copy
[20:22:00] xris: well, thing is, I wanted to use something like it for internal company usage.
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[20:22:00] slePP: but i don't think the version i have is at all going to be easy to install. without openfts, the search function dies.. and i was silly and used pg_exec() everywhere instead of using PEAR
[20:22:00] xris: I'd offer to help, but don't have enough time for mythweb+nuvexport+recipe stuff as it is.
[20:22:00] CyberKnet: slePP: how do you afford the traffic it must consume? =P"
[20:23:00] slePP: xris: i have two private companies using it as a hosted service
[20:23:00] slePP: they use their own domain name and everything. just sits on my box
[20:23:00] xris: slePP: yeah, postgres wouldn't work here, anyway.
[20:23:00] slePP: CyberKnet: that ad at the top? :>
[20:23:00] slePP: CyberKnet: that's about it. it's not a profitable enterprise
[20:23:00] CyberKnet: slePP: trully? I didn't think it owuld have paid very well...
[20:23:00] slePP: xris: exactly :> most people dont' have all the bits i used.. it's pretty advanced, all in all
[20:24:00] xris: just doesn't look that way, I guess. simple data storage/retrieval.
[20:24:00] ** CyberKnet donates a pair of "truck nuts" to slePP to hack in the new translation hilighting engine **
[20:24:00] slePP: yeh. that's the idea. it looks bloody simple, which is why lots of people ask if they can have it
[20:24:00] slePP: but there's a lot more to it
[20:24:00] xris: well, the syntax highlighting and such is complex, but I wouldn't expect that to be in the db.
[20:25:00] xris: I may just end up writing my own (since I don't need syntax highlighting, etc)
[20:25:00] ** slePP wonders wtf truck nuts are **
[20:25:00] xris: or just expanding the code base we use here to not need it (passing around large sql queries, mostly)
[20:25:00] slePP: the highlighter i'm using is open source from somewhere else. then i've decided to move to GeSHi. geshi is very well done
[20:25:00] xris: oh, if you want a feature request: set a cookie so that it remembers my name.
[20:25:00] xris: or fix it so that it works.
[20:26:00] slePP: it doesn't? :> heh
[20:26:00] CyberKnet: slePP: a cast iron scrotum with testicular shaped bulges that hang from the towing hitch on the back of a pickup truck
[20:26:00] slePP: so it doesn't. it used to work
[20:26:00] xris: slePP: cookie requires a subdomain.
[20:26:00] slePP: CyberKnet: inttttttteresting
[20:26:00] xris: so you either set it to .ca
[20:26:00] xris: or use www.pastebin.ca and set the cookie for .pastebin.ca
[20:27:00] slePP: SetCookie("nmpb",$name,time()+60*60*24*30);
[20:27:00] slePP: the other cookies work :>
[20:27:00] CyberKnet: slePP: Yeah. a set of balls of steel so you have the testicular fortitude to add new language syntax hilighting =)
[20:27:00] xris: slePP: the cookie gets set. it just doesn't get sent back to your server.
[20:27:00] xris: browser won't let it because of name conflicts.
[20:28:00] ** slePP adjusts it **
[20:28:00] slePP: fixedf
[20:30:00] xris: yay
[20:30:00] ** j3_ has a love/hate relationship with Request Tracker... **
[20:30:00] slePP: don't we all?
[20:31:00] Ivan_A: does anyone know if the xtraview patch will be included in cvs?
[20:31:00] j3_: Love that it works far better (and far cheaper) than eGain, hate that I'm now having to slog through tickets...
[20:31:00] ** xris likes trac **
[20:32:00] ** j3_ LOVES trac **
[20:32:00] ** xris admits that he does, too **
[20:32:00] j3_: xris: wanna do lunch later this week or something? I need to get that card to you one way or another...
[20:32:00] ** xris wishes that Isaac would see the light. **
[20:32:00] j3_: :)
[20:32:00] ** j3_ finally registered something **
[20:33:00] ** j3_ then realized it was the _ version, so the primary may be taken. D'oh. **
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[20:33:00] ** slePP peers. trac? does it support e-mail tickets? **
[20:33:00] xris: j3_: could do that. we sort of do lunch here together (free food and all that), and don't get much time to go out to eat. I'm in no real hurry to get the card, though.
[20:33:00] xris: slePP: devel version does.
[20:33:00] xris: and there's a plugin to do email -> ticket stuff
[20:33:00] j3_: xris: aha, can't beat free food
[20:34:00] xris: I should finish cleaning the house and then have you and your wife/kid over for dinner or something.
[20:34:00] j3_: I had the same idea
[20:34:00] j3_: (in reverse)
[20:34:00] xris: heh
[20:34:00] xris: time it for the weekend and Jes can grab something leftover from the buffet at Salty's.  :)
[20:34:00] j3_: my house is a total disaster though, probably won't be clean again until the kids are older...
[20:34:00] xris: heh
[20:35:00] j3_: but I have a nice pool table, if ya like pool
[20:35:00] xris: well, we decided that the only way to clean the spare bedroom was to remove everything and then put it back in order.
[20:35:00] j3_: lol
[20:35:00] xris: so everything's in the living room and hallways now.
[20:35:00] xris: but we're determined to actually get unpacked...
[20:35:00] j3_: We've still got crap to move post-my-little-sister-going-back-home
[20:35:00] xris: since we moved in in october.
[20:35:00] j3_: my "office" has a queen size bed in it still...
[20:36:00] xris: heh
[20:36:00] slePP: anyone have $1k USD they want to donate to pastebin.ca/com?
[20:36:00] xris: lol
[20:36:00] xris: sorry
[20:36:00] xris: what's that get you?
[20:36:00] slePP: pastebin.com
[20:36:00] slePP: :>
[20:36:00] j3_: I'm fresh out of spare $1k's
[20:36:00] laga: naw. i'm too broke to afford even a coffee ;)
[20:36:00] ** slePP grins.me too ;> **
[20:36:00] j3_: however, I'm officially 25% vested as of today...
[20:37:00] ** j3_ off to check that stock price... **
[20:37:00] j3_: crap, dropped some more...
[20:37:00] xris: ick
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[20:37:00] j3_: nearly 1/2 what is was 2mo ago
[20:38:00] xris: ouch
[20:38:00] xris: thought it was going up.
[20:38:00] j3_: gonna wait it out until after earnings are released...
[20:38:00] xris: probably a good idea.
[20:38:00] j3_: up 'til about 2 months ago, yeah
[20:38:00] xris: lame
[20:38:00] j3_: mmm-hmm
[20:38:00] j3_: figures
[20:38:00] xris: still worth more than I have, though.
[20:39:00] j3_: :)
[20:39:00] xris: but at least my bank acct is growing again.
[20:40:00] j3_: mine's still starving, but it should still get a halfway decent transfusion here shortly
[20:40:00] j3_: then we have to see what comes out of next week's road trip to Cali...
[20:40:00] xris: and my wife should be getting a raise soon (her boss flipped when she found out that jes only makes $7.50/hour — head chef at the restaurant is somewhat of a jerk and gave her the "student pay rate" so she makes the same as the dishwashers)
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[20:41:00] j3_: ouch
[20:41:00] xris: I mean, she's making the wedding cakes now. skilled labor.
[20:41:00] j3_: those ain't cheap cakes
[20:41:00] mchou: xris: lol, and your wife didn't complain earlier?
[20:41:00] xris: should be at LEAST $10/hour.. not a lot, but at least reasonable for someone freshly out of school
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[20:42:00] xris: mchou: she got the job as a resume builder, not for the money.
[20:42:00] mchou: xris: doesnt mean she should be a slave :)
[20:42:00] ** CyberKnet will probably be in a position to hire a fresh college graduate some time this month. **
[20:42:00] piksel: how do I set mythtv to automatically skip past commercial breaks?
[20:42:00] xris: it's a very well-known restaurant, one of the top 3 in seattle as far as profits go. (saltys.com)
[20:43:00] mchou: unbelievable. Finally a 2.6 kernel that doesnt seem to suffer usb problems......
[20:43:00] xris: mchou: I agree. but she's using it as a starting point to get a better job. the problem is if the next job asks how much she made before.
[20:43:00] mchou: xris: exactly.
[20:44:00] xris: either that or she'll start her own wedding cake business.
[20:44:00] CyberKnet: wow. You tell the truth on that form? =)
[20:44:00] mchou: there are ways to deelect that question.....
[20:44:00] mchou: deflect*
[20:44:00] xris: yeah. well, this is sort of her first real job, so she didn't have the negotiating skills.
[20:44:00] xris: she does now (hopefully)
[20:44:00] mchou: I dont give potential employers my salary history.....
[20:45:00] kormoc: I do!
[20:45:00] ** kormoc worked for nasa, made $500k! **
[20:45:00] ** kormoc expects 500k a hour from everyone! **
[20:45:00] CyberKnet: How much did you make before? "Not enough. That's why I'm here."
[20:45:00] mchou: xris: they want my salary history, they gotta pay me for that info :)
[20:45:00] xris: heh
[20:46:00] xris: doesn't work like that in hourly type jobs.
[20:46:00] mchou: I don't give "free" surveys either......
[20:46:00] xris: you don't get into restaurant work for the money. head pastry chef (her boss) probably only makes $40k.
[20:47:00] CyberKnet: the head chef at seattle's 3rd most profitable restraunt only makes $40k a year?
[20:47:00] mchou: bah, head chef is an abused child, explains why he/she is such a jerk.
[20:47:00] CyberKnet: that's bad.
[20:47:00] xris: CyberKnet: head pastry chef, not head chef
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[20:49:00] xris: chefs just don't get paid that much... only the few who are lucky enough to get jobs at fancy hotels, etc.
[20:49:00] xris: not a lot of profit in restaurants.
[20:49:00] xris: and I was wrong about profit. was 3rd best as far as gross sales.
[20:49:00] CyberKnet: I always found it interesting that the fish chef was the Poissonier.
[20:49:00] CyberKnet: always sounded a little like Poisoner to me =)
[20:49:00] xris: they make about the same as simech ($1M/month), but with 10x the number of people)
[20:50:00] mchou: 10x??
[20:50:00] xris: mchou: probably about 200 employees there, yeah. maybe only 100. still, a LOT more people
[20:50:00] mchou: they got 10x amt of FULLTIME ppl on payroll??
[20:51:00] mchou: 200 part-time dont count :)
[20:51:00] CyberKnet: so Jes' ambition is to become a patissier?
[20:51:00] xris: mchou: restaurants don't like to keep fulltime people.
[20:51:00] mchou: xris: my point exactly :)
[20:51:00] mchou: part time, no benefits.
[20:52:00] mchou: well, none to speak of anyways.
[20:52:00] xris: mchou: benefits at 3/4 time, I think. though they have to pay for all of them on their own.
[20:53:00] xris: CyberKnet: not really sure what she wants. She's talked about doing wedding cakes, specializing in vegan stuff (since there really aren't any places that do the ultra-fancy stuff but avoid non-vegan things like white sugar)
[20:53:00] mchou: huh?? white sugar is non-vegan?
[20:53:00] laga: vegans dont eat white sugar?
[20:53:00] mchou: white sugar==cane sugar, no?
[20:54:00] kormoc: white sugar is super processed cane sugar I thought
[20:54:00] mchou: that should be as vegan as they come.....
[20:55:00] xris: mchou: yes.
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[20:55:00] mchou: bah, I cant imagine what vegan cakes taste like anyways. FAT and sweets is the whole point to dessert :)
[20:55:00] xris: no, they often use a bone-based chemical to filter/bleach it.
[20:56:00] xris: mchou: it's a matter of using unprocessed sugar. fat is easily accomplished from vegetable sources.
[20:56:00] xris: afk, lunchtime.
[20:56:00] ** CyberKnet should go get some lunch too **
[21:01:00] Beirdo: blah blah blah :)
[21:01:00] ** j3_ notices own grumbling stomach **
[21:01:00] Beirdo: j3_: you are a man of many nicks :)
[21:02:00] j3_: moving target, keep 'em guessing... ;-)
[21:02:00] laga: he indeed is.
[21:02:00] laga: hehe.
[21:02:00] j3_: I actually registered this time
[21:02:00] laga: won't help
[21:02:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:02:00] Beirdo: Oh good
[21:02:00] laga: 7target lock j3_
[21:02:00] laga: very silly script ;)
[21:02:00] j3_: before realizing it was the _ version, so I dunno if j3 is taken elsewhere...
[21:02:00] Beirdo: register j3 as well
[21:03:00] Beirdo: then link j3_ to it
[21:03:00] j3_: will do
[21:03:00] Beirdo: and any other nick you want
[21:03:00] Beirdo: link em all to the nick you will "normally" use :)
[21:03:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:03:00] mchou: j3_: need some help here. 150 works fine with cat /dev/video0 but no worky in myth (0.18 release)
[21:03:00] Beirdo: works pretty well
[21:03:00] j3_: I'm thinking maybe a randomly generated string, changing hourly...
[21:04:00] mchou: j3_: should I upgrade to mythcvs?
[21:04:00] Beirdo: now that would be obnoxious :)
[21:04:00] j3_: :)
[21:04:00] j3_: mchou: what exactly doesn't work?
[21:04:00] j3_: my 150 and 500 worked w/0.17 and they continue to work with 0.18...
[21:04:00] ** Beirdo puts his hand up **
[21:04:00] Beirdo: I'd like to not work please
[21:04:00] ** slePP has two 150MCEs in operation **
[21:04:00] mchou: j3_: "black screen" if you attempt to watch livetv.
[21:04:00] slePP: another in the backseeat of my car
[21:04:00] slePP: they work very well
[21:05:00] slePP: except for a very very very weird about 8 pixel bar at the top
[21:05:00] slePP: looks like missed VBI stuff
[21:05:00] Beirdo: slePP: you doing a 150 in the backseat of your car? perv
[21:05:00] mchou: j3_: have not attempted recording yet.....
[21:05:00] slePP: Beirdo: want the pictures? ;> they're _hot_
[21:05:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:06:00] j3_: slePP: yes, that's vbi data
[21:06:00] j3_: either overscan slightly or crop it out
[21:07:00] j3_: mchou: not sure what's up...
[21:07:00] slePP: nah, i don't care. i just think it's odd
[21:07:00] slePP: it doesn't show on the TV, just when i play it on the monitor
[21:08:00] j3_: tv is prolly overscanned a tad bit
[21:08:00] j3_: mchou: anything interesting if you launch the backend from the cli with -v all?
[21:08:00] mchou: not really.....
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[21:09:00] CyberKnet: mmm... generic sub
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[21:11:00] j3_: mchou: how 'bout the fe w/the same?
[21:11:00] EmergeTW: how can I tell if my video card supports XvMC?
[21:11:00] mchou: j3_: yup, exactly the same.
[21:11:00] CyberKnet: EmergeTW: check and see if it says "nvidia" on it or not
[21:11:00] CyberKnet: =P"
[21:12:00] mchou: j3_: and now even my m179 is just tuning to static......
[21:12:00] j3_: ew
[21:12:00] mchou: j3_: even cat on m179 no longer works.
[21:12:00] EmergeTW: CyberKnet: hah, so neither my WinPVR 350 or my 3dfx voodoo banshee support it then
[21:12:00] mchou: j3_: cat on 150 does, however.
[21:13:00] j3_: huh
[21:13:00] mchou: j3_: this using 3.3n
[21:13:00] j3_: any better if you revert to like g?
[21:14:00] mchou: j3_: probably, but havent reverted back that far :)
[21:14:00] j3_: has n ever worked or did it just stop working?
[21:15:00] mchou: nono, just tried n (i.e. never worked for me :))
[21:15:00] CyberKnet: Man. I want hte screenplay rights to this. "mchou: The Wizard In Action" ... or maybe "The little mule that should". ;)
[21:15:00] j3_: I think the D492 PVR-500 I had on the way just showed up...
[21:16:00] mchou: j3_: nice :)
[21:16:00] mchou: let us know how that goes.
[21:16:00] j3_: mos def
[21:17:00] CyberKnet: EmergeTW: I know that my Riva TNT2 doesn't... so I doubt the banshee does either.
[21:18:00] Beirdo: banshee THIS
[21:20:00] CyberKnet: nothing wrong with the old cards =)
[21:20:00] CyberKnet: my TNT2 does perfectly fine =)
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[21:24:00] Beirdo: I had to put the 9200SE into my new mail server :(
[21:24:00] Beirdo: the old crappy AGP card is 5V only
[21:24:00] Beirdo: and the mobo only does 3.3V
[21:25:00] CyberKnet: Would you like to trade for my Riva TNT2?
[21:25:00] CyberKnet: rock solid card & driver
[21:25:00] Beirdo: no
[21:25:00] Beirdo: AGP 4x is necessary
[21:25:00] CyberKnet: aah.
[21:25:00] CyberKnet: that's a shitty board =)
[21:25:00] Beirdo: 4x or greater
[21:25:00] Beirdo: no
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[21:25:00] Beirdo: it's AMD64, why should they support ancient cards?
[21:26:00] CyberKnet: *shrug*
[21:26:00] ** j3_ mail server runs on a Tyan Thunder K7 w/built-in vid **
[21:26:00] CyberKnet: why not? ;)
[21:26:00] ** j3_ and (rack-mount whore that I am) in a 2U case to boot **
[21:27:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:27:00] Beirdo: AMD64 for the coolness factor (temperature)
[21:28:00] Beirdo: and it's in a Sonata :)
[21:28:00] Beirdo: my 4th
[21:28:00] j3_: dual athon mp 2200s and four 10k rpm scsi drives, doubles as a heater for my garage ;-)
[21:28:00] beavis: and for the laudness
[21:28:00] j3_: my myth box hooked to my hdtv is in a sonata
[21:28:00] j3_: very nice case
[21:29:00] j3_: my A64 is in a Thermaltake Xaser II A6000A
[21:29:00] j3_: fairly quiet
[21:29:00] Beirdo: My PVR is a Aria, the rest are Sonata these days
[21:29:00] Beirdo: Antec++
[21:29:00] j3_: at least, much more so than many of the other boxes in my office
[21:29:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:30:00] Beirdo: if I ever get a house, a rack will be a good plan
[21:30:00] j3_: major noise pollution from some of 'em
[21:30:00] Beirdo: in a bachelor studio apt, it would drive me batty
[21:30:00] j3_: I'm actually disappointed how loud this Monarch Hornet box I got (and am setting up for a friend) turned out to be
[21:31:00] j3_: nice compact system, but sounds like a turbine engine
[21:31:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:31:00] beavis: my cpu fan is always standing idle
[21:31:00] j3_: then you aren't making your computer work hard enough ;-)
[21:31:00] laga: yep
[21:31:00] Beirdo: yeah, the whole collection of 7 computers is quieter than my original server case
[21:31:00] beavis: he
[21:31:00] bjohnson: or it's broken
[21:32:00] Beirdo: that was a noisy POS
[21:32:00] j3_: my worst noise and heat offenders are of course out in the garage on the rack
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[21:32:00] Beirdo: of course :)
[21:32:00] j3_: need to funnel the heat into the ducting of the house...
[21:32:00] ** bjohnson thinks Beirdo will build a house out of old computer cases **
[21:32:00] j3_: except that wouldn't be so good for the summer...
[21:33:00] beavis: I only can hear my hdd spinning :/
[21:33:00] Beirdo: my 2U box is open and lying on the floor half gutted
[21:33:00] Beirdo: yanked the DDS3 out of it on the weekend
[21:33:00] Beirdo: P2–400 if anyone (preferrably local) wants a 2U server
[21:34:00] ** j3_ needs a good tbu at home... **
[21:34:00] Beirdo: I have two.. DDS3 and 8mm (Exabyte 8505XL)
[21:34:00] Beirdo: both will be in the new server
[21:34:00] j3_: I've got an ancient sony one in an equally ancient DEC Prioris MX 6200 tower
[21:35:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:35:00] j3_: (dual PPro 200, 160MB of RAM, HW SCSI RAID, 4 hot-swap 4GB drives)
[21:35:00] Beirdo: I'd love DLT but I can't justify it
[21:35:00] j3_: bad-ass machine in its day
[21:35:00] kormoc: sounds like my old server! :)
[21:35:00] Beirdo: yeah
[21:35:00] Beirdo: that's pretty bitchin
[21:35:00] j3_: we just got a NICE new SDLT library at work...
[21:35:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:36:00] j3_: free to a good home if someone is willing to pick it up
[21:36:00] Beirdo: amazon.com has musical instruments now...
[21:36:00] Beirdo: the tape library?
[21:36:00] j3_: heh, whoops
[21:36:00] j3_: no, the DEC
[21:36:00] Beirdo: ah
[21:36:00] j3_: I'd be all over the tape library
[21:36:00] Beirdo: I was thinking, time to take a trip to Seattle :)
[21:36:00] j3_: :D
[21:37:00] Beirdo: bastards don't have my bass in their list
[21:38:00] j3_: damn them
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[21:38:00] j3_: I'll go talk to Jeff.
[21:39:00] Beirdo: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- . . . amp;v=glance
[21:39:00] Beirdo: not the same finish, but that's pretty close to my LP
[21:40:00] Beirdo: mine's a quilted maple finish
[21:40:00] Beirdo: and it is in Tennessee still... for now
[21:41:00] ** j3_ still has a strong distaste for TN... **
[21:41:00] Beirdo: hehe
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[21:41:00] Beirdo: http://www2.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/files/guitar.pdf
[21:41:00] Beirdo: heh
[21:42:00] Beirdo: been just over a year.
[21:42:00] Beirdo: my friend down there picked it up for me.
[21:42:00] Beirdo: and I'm bringing it home Jun 3
[21:42:00] j3_: Nashville was better than Memphis
[21:42:00] Beirdo: :)
[21:42:00] j3_: but I still don't like that state...
[21:42:00] Beirdo: I'll enjoy it
[21:43:00] Beirdo: as a tourist it will be fine
[21:43:00] Beirdo: Beale St. Mmmm
[21:43:00] Beirdo: and we've added Lynchburg to the itinerary :)
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[21:43:00] j3_: yeah, my recruiting visit was great, we were all over Beale. Then I moved there and had to live there for 2 years...
[21:44:00] Beirdo: I don't know that I'd want to live there
[21:44:00] Beirdo: but for a 1-week trip, TN should be fine
[21:44:00] ** xris hasn't liked anywhere on the east coast. **
[21:44:00] j3_: just watch out: southern hospitality doesn't exist in Memphis
[21:44:00] Beirdo: TN is hardly the coast, xris :)
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[21:45:00] xris: Beirdo: it's east
[21:45:00] Beirdo: j3_: hehe, we'll be in blues clubs, we'll be OK :)
[21:45:00] j3_: and the drivers are FAR worse than anything I ever encountered in years of living in Cali
[21:45:00] Beirdo: xris: the only thing that isn't from you is AK and HI
[21:45:00] xris: but you're right, I guess it's more "southern" than "east"
[21:45:00] j3_: yeah, you'll prolly be just fine
[21:45:00] j3_: "Mid-South" they call it
[21:45:00] xris: j3_: we have the worst drivers here.
[21:45:00] j3_: nuh-uh
[21:46:00] Beirdo: I keep telling my friend he's a Yank. With predictable results
[21:46:00] xris: people can't even drive in the rain. you'd think with our weather they'd learn.
[21:46:00] j3_: Memphis is worse
[21:46:00] xris: well, can't disput that. we're far worse than california, though.
[21:46:00] j3_: Seattle has definitely been getting worse over the years, but at least there's still (some) common courtesy on the road.
[21:46:00] Beirdo: Boston's supposedly really bad too
[21:46:00] Beirdo: it can't be much worse than downtown Toronto though.
[21:46:00] Beirdo: or Montreal
[21:46:00] Beirdo: jeez
[21:47:00] Beirdo: my dad got rearended by a Montreal city bus... on a freeway onramp... doing 110km/h
[21:47:00] Beirdo: now THAT's bad driving
[21:47:00] j3_: ew
[21:48:00] Beirdo: pulling onto the 40 near downtown Montreal, I think that was
[21:48:00] Beirdo: unfriggingbelievable driving in that city
[21:49:00] xris: ick
[21:49:00] Beirdo: and in TN, my friend will be doing the driving
[21:49:00] Beirdo: so he's used to it :)
[21:49:00] Beirdo: it's still fun calling him a Yank
[21:49:00] epoch: man, toronto driving is fine
[21:49:00] epoch: montreal driving's a bit nuts
[21:50:00] Beirdo: epoch: you tried driving downtown Toronto?
[21:50:00] epoch: yeah
[21:50:00] Beirdo: or 401/400?
[21:50:00] ** xris still wonders what it'd be like to drive the length of the panamerican highway **
[21:50:00] Beirdo: worse than most places
[21:50:00] epoch: used to do it like a week per month
[21:50:00] Beirdo: but Montreal makes Toronto look tame
[21:50:00] ** FITH looks up the definition of fine.... **
[21:50:00] xris: alaska -> chile
[21:50:00] epoch: it's just fast
[21:50:00] epoch: nobody's too crazy
[21:50:00] j3_: A guy here had some tales about his vacation in Thailand
[21:50:00] epoch: montrealers are crazy ;)
[21:50:00] Beirdo: hah
[21:50:00] epoch: now Ottawa
[21:50:00] epoch: ottawa drivers are crazy
[21:50:00] Beirdo: there are plenty of crazy fuckers here
[21:50:00] epoch: but they're also slow
[21:50:00] Beirdo: Ottawa is a great place to drive
[21:50:00] FITH: I grew up about a kilometer from the 401... you could hear the accidents from our house :)
[21:50:00] epoch: so they're bad drivers, and you get even more frustrated cuz they're so slow
[21:51:00] Beirdo: Hunt Club at 140km/h is fun
[21:51:00] epoch: ahhahaha
[21:51:00] epoch: yes
[21:51:00] Beirdo: just don't get caught
[21:51:00] epoch: that *is* fun :)
[21:51:00] epoch: I work right next to hunt club now
[21:51:00] Beirdo: :) Antares?
[21:51:00] epoch: noep
[21:51:00] ** j3_ likes to try to figure out where the speed governor kicks in... **
[21:51:00] epoch: "nope"
[21:51:00] Beirdo: I used to work down there
[21:51:00] epoch: riverside & hunt club
[21:51:00] epoch: at Cognos :)
[21:51:00] Beirdo: not too far away then
[21:52:00] epoch: j3_: mine kicks in at 180 ;)
[21:52:00] Beirdo: like 3 blocks from Antares :)
[21:52:00] epoch: I tested it out on the 401
[21:52:00] j3_: mph down here... haven't actually had a chance to find it on my new Volvo yet
[21:52:00] j3_: old Honda kicked in at about 112mph
[21:52:00] epoch: there's this one stretch on the 401 of like 5km that's totally straight
[21:53:00] epoch: ah
[21:53:00] epoch: 112mph is 180kph ;)
[21:53:00] j3_: aha
[21:53:00] epoch: and Im' driving a honda too
[21:53:00] j3_: was about to hit google for conversion
[21:53:00] epoch: it's a good thing it kicks in, too
[21:53:00] epoch: driving at 180 is fucking scary
[21:53:00] FITH: never had a speed govener on any car I've ever owned :)
[21:54:00] j3_: Not sure if my S40 has one or not, haven't had anywhere to try it out yet
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[21:54:00] j3_: there was a 17mi, dead-flat, dead-straight stretch of highway 140 (IIRC) in Cali that was GREAT for hauling...
[21:54:00] epoch: hehe
[21:54:00] j3_: near my wife's hometown
[21:54:00] FITH: The original Civic would die in 5th gear at ~195km/h, the Type-R was rev-limited in 5th at 245-ish km/h, and the S2000 I've taken up to about 255km/h before running out of road
[21:55:00] epoch: no cops?
[21:55:00] Beirdo: hehe
[21:55:00] Beirdo: 180km/h is not bad
[21:55:00] FITH: (all indicated)
[21:55:00] j3_: but the really fun car... my buddie's mustang cobra
[21:55:00] Beirdo: I never topped out the V6 Accord
[21:55:00] Beirdo: but I don't have it now.
[21:56:00] j3_: He has it customized all to hell (races it at SIR)
[21:57:00] j3_: absolutely DESTROYS those kids with their funroll-loops.org cars...
[21:57:00] xris: yay, I'm write and axel was wrong.
[21:57:00] xris: s/write/right/
[21:57:00] ** xris has been writing too much, apparently. **
[21:57:00] ** j3_ does a happy dance **
[21:57:00] epoch: you sure axel wasn't left?
[21:57:00] xris: anyway, conditional BuildRequires statements work fine
[21:57:00] j3_: something about the spec file, I presume
[21:58:00] xris: yeah. just posted to atrpms-devel about it.
[21:58:00] j3_: still way behind on email...
[21:58:00] xris: so my spec works exactly as I expected it to
[21:58:00] j3_: cool
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[21:58:00] xris: although there's some weirdness with Arts and xvmc nvidia... compile fails if I enable them.
[21:58:00] xris: so either there's something borked in cvs, or axel is missing some dependencies.
[21:58:00] j3_: hm...
[21:59:00] Beirdo: xris: you rule
[21:59:00] xris: :)
[21:59:00] j3_: 0.18 compiled fine from Axel's source package on a CentOS 4 box
[21:59:00] Beirdo: and I finally joined the mailing list that I forgot about :)
[21:59:00] j3_: I'll have to try yours
[21:59:00] j3_: of course, maybe I just have the dep
[21:59:00] xris: j3_: dunno. I thought I copied that section of his stuff out verbatim into mine.
[22:00:00] xris: that, too.
[22:00:00] xris: I don't know enough about compiling to easily find errors. heh.
[22:00:00] Beirdo: ooooh, WMA9 has some funky ringing tailing off sounds in this
[22:00:00] ** Beirdo hides **
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[22:03:00] xris: well, compiling today's cvs.
[22:03:00] xris: if it fails, I'll try it without the proc_opts stuff
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[22:04:00] st0rmy: heya
[22:04:00] st0rmy: anyone mythtv developer around
[22:04:00] st0rmy: any*
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[22:05:00] xris: st0rmy: probably. depends on which portion of mythtv you're talking about.
[22:05:00] xris: (which means you probably don't want me)
[22:06:00] st0rmy: xris, I'm just curious as to how mythtv does osd on mplayer, just curious about that
[22:06:00] xris: I don't think it does.
[22:06:00] st0rmy: I'm referring to the TV on-screen-display
[22:07:00] st0rmy: like how many seconds in buffer etc
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[22:08:00] st0rmy: the menu kinda system while watching tv is what I'm referring to
[22:08:00] Beirdo: that's not mplayer
[22:08:00] st0rmy: then? what is it?
[22:09:00] epoch: that's mythtv :P
[22:09:00] st0rmy: lol, seriously, what is it then? I'm very curious to know that
[22:10:00] j3_: uh, its mythtv
[22:10:00] j3_: internal player
[22:10:00] st0rmy: oh
[22:11:00] st0rmy: hmm
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[22:14:00] xris: ?
[22:14:00] Beirdo: muh?
[22:14:00] st0rmy: lol
[22:15:00] st0rmy: where is the internal player at? can I extract it? I love playing around with such codes
[22:15:00] CyberKnet: st0rmy: it's in the source distrobution.
[22:16:00] st0rmy: but where is the location is teh problem
[22:16:00] st0rmy: hehe
[22:16:00] st0rmy: mythtv is loads of code, i wouldnt know where and what all functions it calls
[22:17:00] xris: st0rmy: I think it's ffmpeg-based
[22:17:00] st0rmy: cool
[22:17:00] xris: and probably in the mythfrontend code
[22:17:00] xris: (ffmpeg == libavcodec)
[22:17:00] st0rmy: the code I looked is messy, no comments :/
[22:17:00] xris: welcome to ffmpeg
[22:17:00] st0rmy: hehe
[22:18:00] st0rmy: even mythtv has no comments in its code
[22:18:00] CyberKnet: mythtv is getting a lot better
[22:18:00] CyberKnet: there are a significant amount of doxygen comments within the source now.
[22:18:00] st0rmy: I have ideas which I want to implement on the internal player, if I can extract the source of it and improve its overall look and performance
[22:19:00] Beirdo: :)
[22:19:00] Beirdo: well, libavcodec is part of ffmpeg :)
[22:19:00] st0rmy: but the problem is, I don't know where to look to extract just the internal player :)
[22:20:00] CyberKnet: st0rmy: look in the mythfrontend code
[22:20:00] st0rmy: yeah, I'm trying that :)
[22:20:00] Beirdo: have fun
[22:20:00] st0rmy: anyone willing to help me extract the internal player code alone?
[22:20:00] st0rmy: :P~
[22:20:00] st0rmy: thanks Beirdo
[22:20:00] Beirdo: nope
[22:21:00] Beirdo: why would we wanna do that? :)
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[22:21:00] st0rmy: to help me improve and put forth my enhancements and present it to you guys :)
[22:21:00] st0rmy: comments/suggestions for next release
[22:21:00] st0rmy: I would love to contribute
[22:21:00] Beirdo: just use the code as it is :)
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[22:21:00] CyberKnet: just start with mythtv/programs/mythfrontend/main.c and move from there.
[22:21:00] st0rmy: yep, I will eventually :)
[22:21:00] Beirdo: make enhancements to it as is
[22:22:00] Beirdo: main.cpp, you mean :)
[22:22:00] CyberKnet: thx
[22:22:00] CyberKnet: of course, that is what I meant
[22:22:00] CyberKnet: my p key didn't register
[22:22:00] CyberKnet: main.cpp
[22:22:00] ** CyberKnet hammers his pppppppppppppppppppppp key **
[22:23:00] Beirdo: hehehe
[22:23:00] Beirdo: now you p'd all over the place.
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[22:23:00] ** j3_ hates ppp **
[22:23:00] ** j3_ and pptp, for that matter **
[22:24:00] FITH: don't forget to p on pppoe as well!
[22:24:00] CyberKnet: ip. the beginning, and the end.
[22:24:00] Beirdo: especially on pppoe
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[22:45:00] xris: :(
[22:45:00] NightMonkey: Hi all. Just curious to know if it is just me, or does anyone feel that the commercial detection in 0.18 is worse than other recent versions? 0.17 seemed to be the sweet spot for me, but I'd love to know if others disagree.
[22:45:00] NightMonkey: (well, not "disagree" but have differing experiences ;) )
[22:45:00] xris: NightMonkey: .16 was best for bttv stuff
[22:46:00] NightMonkey: xris: Is the code different for different cards? I have a PVR-350.
[22:46:00] xris: there's different code for mpeg2 vs nuv files, yes.
[22:48:00] NightMonkey: Obviously, this isn't something I can really make a "bug" out of. "Send a backtrace from that one episode of 'Baretta' that had a commercial at 5'08"..." won't fly.
[22:48:00] xris: yeah. Captain_Murdoch has been tweaking it recently, though.
[22:48:00] xris: post-.18
[22:49:00] NightMonkey: xris: Ah, that's good news.
[22:49:00] NightMonkey: xris: Was 0.17 commercial detection worse for your bttv setup?
[22:50:00] xris: far worse
[22:50:00] xris: though it seems to be related to some bad encodes as much as to funky detection.
[22:50:00] j3_: didn't realize the two were different, 0.17 was great for all my mpeg2 stuff
[22:50:00] NightMonkey: xris: Funny. Could fixing one stream encoding make another worse? Are they linked?
[22:50:00] j3_: haven't looked at many 0.18 recordings yet...
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[22:56:00] Semhirage: blah
[22:56:00] Semhirage: wish i could get rid of this fuzz at the top of my picture
[22:57:00] xris: NightMonkey: you'd have to talk to Captain_Murdoch about that. the short answer is yes.
[22:57:00] xris: Semhirage: you mean the broadcast fuzz that's normally obscured by the tv?
[22:57:00] Semhirage: im guessing thats what it is
[22:57:00] Semhirage: 3 lines at the top
[22:58:00] j3_: vbi data
[22:58:00] xris: Semhirage: so set up overscan.
[22:58:00] j3_: or use a filter: crop=1,0,0,0 should clip it off, iirc
[22:58:00] j3_: (1 = 10 pixels)
[22:59:00] Semhirage: i set that up in mythsetup right?
[22:59:00] j3_: no
[22:59:00] j3_: mythfrontend -> setup
[22:59:00] xris: j3_: does that happen pre- or post- encode?
[22:59:00] j3_: at playback time, I believe
[22:59:00] j3_: haven't actually used it
[22:59:00] xris: ah, cool
[22:59:00] xris: yeah, that's why I added the 2% crop thing to nuvexport.
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[23:01:00] xris: yay. now I get to learn how to generate a pdf with php.
[23:01:00] NightMonkey: xris: Thanks for the info.
[23:03:00] lucas333: If anyone has trouble with their commercial flagging, I would love to get these commercials.. I've been working on commflagging lately, and need testmaterial to benchmark against.
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[23:04:00] NightMonkey: lucas333: I'd be glad to help.
[23:04:00] NightMonkey: lucas333: Let me watch some shows tonight, and I'll take notes.
[23:04:00] xris: NightMonkey: fwiw, the mpeg2 flagging for me is about 99% accurate now
[23:05:00] Semhirage: yay 2% vertical overscan got rid of it
[23:05:00] NightMonkey: lucas333: And then send you them?
[23:05:00] iggy: lucas333: 24, chappelle's show, viva la bam all suck
[23:06:00] lucas333: heya iggy, long time no seen :0
[23:06:00] NightMonkey: iggy: Yeah, those kind of shows (with rapid-fire scene switching and other mtv-ishness) were great for me 0.17, but 0.18 not very good.
[23:06:00] A`: new eps of chapelle's show?
[23:06:00] lucas333: NightMonkey, if you could put them on a webserver somewhere, that would be great.
[23:06:00] lucas333: I only get dutch shows, so its really hard to improve flagging without foreign shows... I'm sorta blindfolded.
[23:06:00] NightMonkey: lucas333: Sure. How will I reach you?
[23:07:00] lucas333: you could paste a url here, or send it to lucas@mach8.nl
[23:07:00] lucas333: <dont send the recording by email, but the url :) >
[23:07:00] NightMonkey: lucas333: OK, I will e-mail you. Like I said, I'll need to watch some shows tonight to get some good candidates. (It's 3:07 PM for me now)
[23:08:00] NightMonkey: lucas333: Yes, don't worry.
[23:08:00] NightMonkey: lucas333: I've got MythWeb going on an SSL-protected authenticated site... No 1.2GB e-mails...
[23:09:00] lucas333: great.. please do not worry about recording a bit early and stopping a bit late... I've been working that specifically last week, and am very curious how it works on nondutch things.
[23:09:00] NightMonkey: lucas333: ? Wow, I've had that problem, but I though it was NTP!
[23:10:00] lucas333: NTP?
[23:10:00] NightMonkey: lucas333: The time on my system vs the time on the networks clocks.
[23:10:00] NightMonkey: lucas333: Or maybe we're talking about two different things.
[23:10:00] lucas333: oh yeah I think so.
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[23:11:00] NightMonkey: lucas333: I have a problem where show recordings start late, and the recording also ends early (even when there's no show recording after).
[23:11:00] lucas333: I'm talking about having mythcommflag also detect properly when the recording starts 10 minutes early.. this means the logo searching usually takes place ina commercial block, causing iit to fail.
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[23:11:00] NightMonkey: lucas333: Ah, I see.
[23:11:00] Semhirage: now all i need is for lirc to work properly 100% with my hardware and my mythtv setup will be complete
[23:11:00] cslinuxboy: Does anyone anyone here know if a Hauppauge 500 card will fit into an ASUS Pundit-R case?
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[23:12:00] dhofstra: on mythplugins, I am getting an error saying : cannot find -ltermcap  ; it is happening on mythphone. is this a festival error? or something else
[23:12:00] dhofstra: (during make)
[23:12:00] j3_: no, its a termcap error
[23:12:00] j3_: :)
[23:12:00] iggy: cslinuxboy: I've heard it takes a little handy work on the pundit case, but it'll fit
[23:12:00] dhofstra: heh thanks
[23:13:00] j3_: seems you're missing libtermcap
[23:13:00] lucas333: iggy: have you followed ivtv lately? Happen to know if there's progress on non mpeg2 video output on pvr350's by any chance? that xine plugin kevin was working on?
[23:13:00] dhofstra: well, the termcap rpm is installed, I wonder then if this means I have to compile it myself
[23:14:00] iggy: lucas333: don't think the xine plugin has gone very far... afaik, kevin hasn't popped in for some time development wise
[23:14:00] iggy: lucas333: but I think there has been some work recently on yuv decoding
[23:14:00] j3_: dhofstra: you probably need to install libtermcap-devel
[23:14:00] dhofstra: ahh, if my distro only had one.. hehe .. thanks j3_
[23:14:00] j3_: I've got 3 packages: termcap, libtermcap, libtermcap-devel
[23:15:00] j3_: oh?
[23:15:00] j3_: what distro?
[23:15:00] dhofstra: suse
[23:15:00] dhofstra: just has termcap
[23:15:00] j3_: huh
[23:15:00] cslinuxboy: iggy: I currently have a 150 and it fits tight in the last slot, but the space between the card and the cpu on the 150 is limited. I guess I can always buy one and if it doesn't fit, I can always send it back. Thanks.
[23:15:00] dhofstra: the termcap package shows that it provides libtermcap.so.2
[23:15:00] j3_: the 500 is a fair amount larger than the 150...
[23:16:00] j3_: got a /usr/lib/libtermcap.a and .so?
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[23:17:00] j3_: (both provided by libtermcap-devel on RH/FC)
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[23:18:00] dhofstra: I have /usr/lib/libtermcap.so.2 and so.2.0.8
[23:18:00] dhofstra: no .a
[23:18:00] j3_: hm...
[23:18:00] dhofstra: there is a termcap-debug rpm
[23:18:00] dhofstra: maybe I'll try that
[23:19:00] dhofstra: or compile the thing myself
[23:19:00] j3_: should just be the debug symbols, no devel packages
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[23:19:00] xris: stupid cvs.
[23:19:00] xris: "cvs up" works fine on my workstation, but not for my mythbox.
[23:19:00] ** j3_ dislikes cvs... **
[23:20:00] ** j3_ wishes we could make Isaac see the light... **
[23:20:00] j3_: :)
[23:20:00] NightMonkey: lucas333: Do you have a host I could ftp/scp/rsync the files to you? Since we're in different time zones, it might be better that way so I don't have to wonder when you've downloaded them.
[23:20:00] NightMonkey: lucas333: If not, it is not a big deal.
[23:22:00] lucas333: NightMonkey: sorry, ever since my router broke down.. (hmm maybe since I broke my router down would be more appropriate :), portforwarding is broken, so no ftp here at the moment.
[23:23:00] lucas333: I can send an email once they're here though.
[23:24:00] xris: j3_: I hear ya
[23:24:00] NightMonkey: lucas333: Awesome. That'll be great. And do let me know if the files aren't good candidates for your work.
[23:24:00] xris: I think my current issue is somehow network-based, though.
[23:25:00] xris: but I can hit the machine just fine via http.
[23:25:00] xris: just not with cvs.
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[23:32:00] indessed: Q: When I set my "Default input" to Television in Capture Card Setup (in mythtvsetup), it still defaults to S-Video in LiveTV (and hitting "C" doesn't change it, either). Any idea what might be wrong?
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[23:43:00] Agrajag-: hey xris with nuvexport, what are the speed/quality differences between ffmpeg and transcode? (for xvid)
[23:46:00] xris: transcode is better in all ways, but doesn't work properly with some mpeg files.
[23:46:00] ** Beirdo laughs at the DMCA **
[23:47:00] Beirdo: tis good to be in Canada
[23:47:00] Agrajag-: what've they done now?
[23:47:00] Agrajag-: ta xris
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[23:47:00] Beirdo: Oh, the stupid copy-protected CDs
[23:47:00] Beirdo: cdparanoia had no issues with them
[23:47:00] xris: apparently, it's better to be in France. no DRM whatsoever.
[23:48:00] Beirdo: so I'm burning a CDR of the CD so it will work in NORMAL players
[23:48:00] Agrajag-: yeah i dont know how cd copy protection will ever work
[23:48:00] Beirdo: easy
[23:48:00] Beirdo: make it not CD-compatible
[23:48:00] Agrajag-: well if they want us to actually listen to the CD's.. we're going to be able to copy them :)
[23:48:00] Beirdo: encrypt it like they do with DVD
[23:49:00] Beirdo: not as easily as now
[23:49:00] Beirdo: have to use a specific lameass PC-based tool to play it, etc
[23:49:00] Beirdo: of course, if you wanna play it in a real player, you can't copy protect it :)
[23:49:00] Agrajag-: hmm i suppose. but im sure someone will get around it like they did with dvds
[23:50:00] Beirdo: yup
[23:50:00] Beirdo: not if the DMCA can help it though
[23:50:00] Agrajag-: but if all else fails, a cable from audio out to line in will always do the job
[23:50:00] Beirdo: now to put in the CDR
[23:50:00] Beirdo: yeah, but that's not digital
[23:51:00] Agrajag-: yeah
[23:53:00] Agrajag-: xris: happen to know ff the transcode 1.0 beta 2 is going to do me much better than 0.6.14?
[23:53:00] Agrajag-: s/ff/if
[23:53:00] Beirdo: and once I've burned the CD, making oggs from the wav will e easy
[23:53:00] xris: Agrajag-: no clue
[23:53:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: thought you used aac?
[23:53:00] Beirdo: yeah, generally ;)
[23:53:00] Beirdo: you have an aac ripper for Linux handy?
[23:53:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: And isn't it a little counterproductive to rip from cd, burn a cdr, then re-rip and compress?
[23:54:00] Beirdo: who said I'd re-rep
[23:54:00] Beirdo: rip rather?
[23:54:00] Beirdo: the WAV files are still there
[23:54:00] CyberKnet: then the "and once I've burned the CD" is superfluous ;)
[23:54:00] Beirdo: I'm burning a CDR so I can play this not on a PC
[23:54:00] Beirdo: you suck :)
[23:54:00] CyberKnet: Well you can't have your cake and eat it too.
[23:55:00] Beirdo: the hell I can't :)
[23:55:00] CyberKnet: Not to be a grammar nazi or anything, but you aren't saying what you mean! =)
[23:55:00] Beirdo: yes I am
[23:55:00] kormoc: CyberKnet, you can if you catch the cake on the way out! :P
[23:55:00] CyberKnet: I see you have already eaten your cake. Very well then. ;)
[23:55:00] Agrajag-: haha
[23:55:00] CyberKnet: kormoc: heh =)
[23:55:00] Beirdo: I'm not going to rip oggs while burning a CD.
[23:55:00] Beirdo: fucktard :)
[23:55:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: You're not?
[23:55:00] CyberKnet: Beirdo: I would.
[23:55:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:55:00] CyberKnet: with a 0 coaster rate, too =)
[23:56:00] Beirdo: no, I'd have to open another ssh session
[23:56:00] Beirdo: I'm too lazy
[23:56:00] CyberKnet: that's what screen is for =)
[23:56:00] Beirdo: I'd STILL need to open another ssh session
[23:56:00] CyberKnet: well, bully for you then =)
[23:56:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:56:00] CyberKnet: and with that, I'm done.
[23:56:00] CyberKnet: adios, amigos
[23:57:00] Beirdo: hehe
[23:57:00] Beirdo: seeya
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[23:59:00] Beirdo: Ride The Lightning CD
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